1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,200 Welcome one and all to episode 388 of Signals from Mars. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:05,800 I'm your host Victor. 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:11,720 And for this episode, I welcome Ed Ferguson, long time listener, long time patron, long 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:17,800 time friend to the show to talk about economics and music in 2024. 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,680 Yeah, there's a lot of things that are going on within the actual industry when it comes 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,720 to tickets, when it comes to streaming and other things. 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:30,600 Give me an ed talk about it next. 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:31,600 I'm ready. 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:57,760 Let's get started. 10 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:03,320 I recorded this episode before the chat I had with the lips from Anvil. 11 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:09,020 That gives you a further dive into the whole economics and music and hard rock and metal 12 00:01:09,020 --> 00:01:13,880 and everything that we talk about here on this episode. 13 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:19,320 Obviously with lips, that's somebody who's in the middle of things. 14 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:25,880 This episode is very much opinion piece and very much based on what information is sent 15 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:31,920 to us or given to us via, you know, sites like blabbermouth and brave words and metal 16 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,120 hammer and stuff like that. 17 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:41,520 And others, because this is affecting bands beyond hard rock and metal or economics, especially 18 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:48,120 post pandemic, it is affecting every type of music for the most part. 19 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:54,840 And not only that, but it also couples with a trend where kids are being priced out of 20 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,640 a lot of things I feel. 21 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,640 And I'm not only saying this because I'm a father, I'm lucky enough that we do have 22 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:09,200 streaming services and that my kids do like collecting CDs and listening to music, listening 23 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,320 to all types of music and going to shows and stuff. 24 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:20,440 And yeah, we can afford to go to some shows and pick some stuff up, but nowhere near what 25 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,720 we could back in the day. 26 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:30,000 I mean, I don't want to sound like the old fart in the room here, but people question 27 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,000 why. 28 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,160 You know, you're not a music fan if you're streaming. 29 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:41,360 If you're a kid and a CD costs $22, this goes back to the whole tower records thing. 30 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,640 Now that bugs me when people say, oh, poor tower records. 31 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:55,720 Well, tower records and the wall and all these other big chains always had CDs on sale for 32 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,040 $22.99, $18.99. 33 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,560 And then you would go to other places. 34 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,740 You would go to a Target or a Walmart or even mom and pop shops. 35 00:03:05,740 --> 00:03:11,920 Maybe at a mom and pop, it was 12 bucks and Walmart and Target was seven or eight bucks 36 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:17,960 with some added bonus tracks or a t-shirt or a sticker or something like that. 37 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,400 Or Best Buy did similar as well. 38 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,080 There isn't that anymore. 39 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:32,480 There's nothing to entice kids or people to pick CDs up. 40 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:37,720 My kids, as we're about to travel to the US, they're looking forward to picking up CDs 41 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,600 while we're there, going record shopping with me. 42 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:47,120 And I know that we're an anomaly when it comes to all of this. 43 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,600 At the same time, I don't blame the kids. 44 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:56,040 If this is the only way that I'm going to be able to listen to something, if it's through 45 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,960 streaming, if it's through YouTube, I would do the same thing. 46 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:05,720 We all recorded tapes from one another and yeah, the industry got all bent out of shape 47 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,760 and oh, you know, that was Napster back in the day. 48 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,360 It wasn't as bad as Napster, obviously, but get what I'm saying. 49 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,400 There's always a way around it and it sucks. 50 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,800 We all have to change with the times and we wish that bands could be making more money. 51 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:31,160 But at the same time, prices for everything are jacked up and out of whack. 52 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:37,760 So I don't blame, again, I don't blame kids for doing streaming. 53 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,200 Prices for instruments, prices for all types of things. 54 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:41,680 They're just crazy. 55 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:46,280 But anyway, I don't want to give too much away because I want you guys to check out 56 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:48,840 the rest of this episode, which is great. 57 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:51,000 Was a fun chat with Ed. 58 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,600 Hope you guys enjoy. 59 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,560 Send me your comments. 60 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,200 Signals from Mars at signalsfrommars.com. 61 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:17,080 All right, let's get on with it. 62 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,160 Welcome one and all to the latest edition of Signals from Mars. 63 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:29,040 We are pre-recording this episode to help fill in for some of these summer episodes 64 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,000 so that you guys aren't left hanging. 65 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:38,840 Joining me today is the one and only metalhead, Ed Ferguson. 66 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:41,760 How are you, sir? 67 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:42,760 Doing good. 68 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:43,760 How are you? 69 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,540 Doing well myself. 70 00:05:45,540 --> 00:05:52,400 So we've got a few topics we're going to talk about today. 71 00:05:52,400 --> 00:06:02,820 Mainly we're going to start to talk about the state of hard rock and metal in 2024. 72 00:06:02,820 --> 00:06:11,480 We talk about this from time to time with bands and economics. 73 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:21,520 Bands, new followers, us old farts that are still following bands, stuff like that, being 74 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,960 priced out for things. 75 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,720 So first, let's talk about there. 76 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:34,200 There was recent news where big name artists, I mean, Jennifer Lopez is a big name artist 77 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:35,200 across the board. 78 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,200 She's a pop artist. 79 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,880 She's in movies. 80 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:45,520 I mean, huger than most metal acts. 81 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,120 She's out to cancel a tour. 82 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:53,320 The Black Keys, who are a fairly well known rock band, same thing. 83 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:59,080 They've canceled an entire arena tour. 84 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:05,000 I know that a lot of these bands are talking about, well, it's COVID, it's what's come 85 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,640 after COVID and the price has gone up and so on and so forth. 86 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,060 And I'm not saying that's not true. 87 00:07:14,060 --> 00:07:23,640 But how much does the reality of the state of some of these bands come into play? 88 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,320 I mean, we've seen it with hard rock and metal. 89 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:28,720 We've talked about this at length. 90 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:34,960 You have bands like a Motley Crue and a Def Leppard, which are big bands, but they can't 91 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:42,840 sell out arenas or stadiums unless Def Leppard, for example, is going out with Journey. 92 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,920 And they've got a third band playing with them, which slips my mind right now. 93 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,520 A lot of these bands are going out. 94 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:55,540 Judas Priest is going out with Saxon and Uriah Heap. 95 00:07:55,540 --> 00:08:00,680 So it's not them headlining on their own. 96 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,200 Do you think that some of these bands are kind of biting off more than they can chew 97 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:11,280 and maybe them or their management are kind of lost in what the reality or the interests 98 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,280 for these bands are in 2024? 99 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,680 Yeah, it kind of sounds like it. 100 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:24,000 Everything seems kind of up in the air right now and everyone's trying to figure it out. 101 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:33,600 And there seems to be a lot of backlash, too, like with the Jennifer Lopez case, because 102 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:40,800 you have things like TikTok where people are sharing things more than ever. 103 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:50,300 And just all of the hatred that people have had towards her is just easily displayed all 104 00:08:50,300 --> 00:08:54,440 day, every day on platforms like TikTok. 105 00:08:54,440 --> 00:09:02,000 You can tell it's changing society's feelings about her as a whole, almost, to the point 106 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,560 to where she's kind of ruined it for herself. 107 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:08,280 And now people aren't buying tickets. 108 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:13,960 Yeah, everything is different right now. 109 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,080 A lot of people probably don't know what they're doing or what to do about it. 110 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,120 Now, the Black Keys, they had an excuse that sounded pretty good. 111 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,800 Do you remember reading their response to that? 112 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,060 They were claiming it wasn't because of ticket sales. 113 00:09:28,060 --> 00:09:32,680 They said they were going to take those resources and put it towards something else. 114 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:37,280 But they could be making that up to save face, too. 115 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,360 Did you hear them say that? 116 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:40,360 I did not. 117 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,720 I mean, I'm not a close follower of theirs. 118 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:49,840 But I mean, we've seen bands like Anthrax do this in the UK, for example. 119 00:09:49,840 --> 00:10:05,240 And I mean, a lot of it, I think, is them wanting to not upset their fans. 120 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:10,240 In the case of, say, an Anthrax or maybe a Judas Priest, who in the past, I've talked 121 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:18,240 to Mark Striegel about this, how maybe they had oversaturated the market. 122 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:24,880 And under the fact that if you're playing the same exact setlist, you need something 123 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,160 else to get people to come out. 124 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,720 Especially for metal fans. 125 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:30,720 Right. 126 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:36,160 Who are diehard fans that enjoy deep album cuts. 127 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:42,160 And that Anthrax said, well, you know, you don't understand we played Among the Living. 128 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,640 And when we got to some of the deeper tracks, people weren't into them into those tracks 129 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:47,920 as well. 130 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,800 OK, I get that. 131 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:59,800 But that doesn't mean, for example, that skeleton in the closet is going to get the same reaction 132 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:07,040 as, I don't know, playing Medusa or playing Dangerous. 133 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,040 That's right. 134 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,040 Yeah. 135 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,280 Because even if it's a band that you love, if they're just playing the same stuff year 136 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:18,920 after year, you don't really care to see them, you know, every 10 years, maybe. 137 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:19,920 Right. 138 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,400 It's for me, you know, like even with Slayer, if they're playing the same stuff all the 139 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:30,600 time, I just wouldn't want to go and stand there and watch the same songs all the time. 140 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:31,600 Right. 141 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,000 Be like every five to 10 years, I'd be good to go see it. 142 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,480 And that's about it. 143 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,600 Yeah, I agree with you. 144 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,640 And the thing is, the tickets aren't cheap. 145 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:48,840 I mean, if we're talking about which is something that I intended on discussing the prices of 146 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:57,120 tickets, if we're talking about this being a $35 ticket, then you say, all right, well, 147 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,120 maybe. 148 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:06,160 But if you're if you're paying $180 per ticket, then you say, well, look at that. 149 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,720 They've only switched out one song. 150 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,320 And the only song that they've switched out is the one off of the new album for one off 151 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:20,400 the previous album, and you're like, OK, that's not enough to get me to see them. 152 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,400 Yeah. 153 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:27,240 And that's likely not been as big of a problem for me because I don't really care to see 154 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,400 shows in arenas anyway. 155 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,080 I've always much preferred the club setting. 156 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:40,560 And so far, I haven't had to pay super big ticket prices at the clubs downtown. 157 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:46,880 Or if you go to Cincinnati to Bogart or Louisville, you know, you can pay probably more like 30 158 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,440 bucks to go to a show. 159 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:49,440 OK. 160 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:54,160 When I went to see The Last in Line, I can't remember what I paid, but it wasn't so much 161 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,000 that I remember it. 162 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,000 It was a good price. 163 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,000 Right. 164 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,760 But you know, they're just playing that one of our clubs downtown, too. 165 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,000 Nothing, nothing too big. 166 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:10,880 Yeah, the the other thing with that is, for example, is the discussion in my household 167 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:17,560 this week where I mentioned, hey, we just saw Markie Ramone in May. 168 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:21,780 He's coming back in November. 169 00:13:21,780 --> 00:13:24,300 It's thirty five bucks to see him. 170 00:13:24,300 --> 00:13:26,720 We paid thirty five bucks this time. 171 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,440 And I said, is that a price point where it makes sense to see him again? 172 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,800 I know it's going to be more or less the same setlist. 173 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:40,120 You know, was it fun enough that we want to experience that again? 174 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,080 And the discussion was going back and forth with that. 175 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,080 Now we're heading over to the States. 176 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:54,240 And while we're there, there are a few shows, there are some at amphitheaters and there 177 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,280 are some at stadiums. 178 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,560 And for example, I priced out going to see Green Day. 179 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:05,680 I'm not the hugest Green Day fan, but I figured, OK, while we're there to, you know, give my 180 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:09,920 kids that experience, let's see what it costs. 181 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,200 So I checked out the price at Citi Field in New York. 182 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:22,040 And it was one hundred and eighty bucks for the last row of a 70,000 seat stadium. 183 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,520 Yeah, that's even what Blink 182 were charging for seats. 184 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,640 And they're not even as big as Green Day. 185 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,920 Yeah, yeah. 186 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,920 And the thing, too, is we had an option. 187 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:38,160 We could see them at Hershey Stadium, which is about three hours south. 188 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,160 Yeah. 189 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,160 Yeah. 190 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,240 And it was a hundred and it was one hundred thirty five dollars. 191 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:49,840 And it's all the way in the back of of that old stadium that they have there. 192 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,600 And I'm thinking. 193 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,040 I thought about it and I'm like, you know, I like them. 194 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:00,080 I think they would be cool to see live once, probably. 195 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,300 Yeah. 196 00:15:01,300 --> 00:15:04,680 Does the price point make me want to go? 197 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:05,680 Yeah. 198 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:11,400 Def Leppard and what are they doing for that extra 80 bucks you're spending over what it's 199 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,720 probably really worth? 200 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:19,220 I mean, they're not putting on shows like Kiss, are they? 201 00:15:19,220 --> 00:15:23,680 They are playing rock and roll all night now in their in their Green Day. 202 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:24,880 Yeah, Green Day is. 203 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,640 Oh, no, I don't want to hear that. 204 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,600 Surprisingly enough. 205 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,960 Billy Billy Joe Armstrong has a cover band. 206 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,040 Yeah. 207 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,720 And he covered who did he just cover? 208 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,680 It was it was a. 209 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:52,000 It was a song by Rat or it wasn't rat, but it was somewhere along those lines. 210 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,360 It was an 80s hard rock metal song. 211 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,000 And he and he pulled the solo off. 212 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,000 He actually did it. 213 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Yeah. 214 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,000 Yeah. 215 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,000 And I was surprised. 216 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,760 I'm like, holy shit, this is wasn't what I expected. 217 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:05,760 Cool. 218 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,880 I figured he'd just play like a few bar chords or whatnot. 219 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:14,120 But yeah, and I've seen interviews with him talk about how he's an overall music junkie 220 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,320 of all different types of genres. 221 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,320 So yeah, yeah. 222 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:19,320 Kind of cool. 223 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:20,320 I know. 224 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,320 You know what it was? 225 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,600 He played a Van Halen song and he played the. 226 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,120 Well, that's cool. 227 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,680 It was shit. 228 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,000 And it was that's coming back to me. 229 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,200 It's slowly in my old man brain. 230 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,200 It's coming back. 231 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,680 It was with Michael Anthony. 232 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:44,440 I think they did somebody get me a doctor or one of these tracks where or Michael Anthony 233 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:49,840 did heavy backing vocals and is done live with Van Halen in the past. 234 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,200 And Billy Joe did the did the solo note for note. 235 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,200 The Van Halen. 236 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,000 So yeah, he's definitely a talented guy. 237 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,000 Yeah. 238 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,440 And can write some good songs. 239 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:00,440 Yeah. 240 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,800 So he's got what it takes. 241 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:10,800 So it's been that kind of money to watch a punk band whose songs you hear all the time. 242 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:16,840 Yeah, that's I don't know unless I just if I had a grandchild that was just dying to 243 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,080 have that experience. 244 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,080 You know, this granddaughter that I have, I'd probably spend all the money in the world 245 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,760 on her and she asked me to take her. 246 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:25,760 Right. 247 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,240 But that'd be the only reason I would. 248 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:29,240 Yeah. 249 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,680 Well, same same boat. 250 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,480 I'm in taking my son to see Limp Bizkit. 251 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:40,920 But but yeah, still with Limp Bizkit, there were tickets ranging from three hundred something 252 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:46,640 going all the way down to like twenty five for lawn seats. 253 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:57,340 We paid we paid around two hundred for two tickets because I wanted to get something 254 00:17:57,340 --> 00:18:02,280 that was I could have gone cheaper, but we had an obstructed view. 255 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,960 Yeah, you don't want that. 256 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:05,960 I don't want that. 257 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,840 Especially when you come all the way over here to see it. 258 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:08,840 Yeah, exactly. 259 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,320 So I figured, all right, this may be the only show we see. 260 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,760 So I'll pay a little more than what I want to pay for it. 261 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,440 Yeah, makes sense. 262 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,440 Yeah. 263 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,440 And you'll share with your kids, too. 264 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:22,440 Right. 265 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,000 And that's that's the whole thing. 266 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,440 There are other shows that we looked at. 267 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,200 We looked at Def Leppard and Journey, which were similar prices to Green Day. 268 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:38,080 I looked at Bush, Jerry Cantrell and Candle Block and Candle Box are coming around as 269 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,160 a package deal. 270 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:46,560 Same amphitheater and the tickets are slightly less than the than the Limp Bizkit package. 271 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:53,040 It's only three bands versus I think it's five for Limp Bizkit. 272 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,040 Wow. 273 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:59,840 See, that's that's another problem I have with going to shows, especially with a lot 274 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:08,720 of the bands that I like in the metal core, hardcore, other metal bands. 275 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,640 When they come around, there'll be three to five bands. 276 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:12,640 Right. 277 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,600 And yeah, I just I have a hard time with that. 278 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,480 Number one, it's just it's hard for me to sit through all of that or stand through all 279 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,200 of that on a concrete floor. 280 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,200 Right. 281 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:27,320 But you know, you also it's I don't know, it's just too much changing going on. 282 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:33,640 I'd rather just have a couple of bands like there always was when we were younger so that, 283 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,400 you know, you can dig into their music a little better, especially when they have more than 284 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,520 three bands and they're just they're also busy trying to get up there and play a few 285 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,800 songs, change your equipment and do it over again with another band. 286 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,080 It's just yeah, it's just not for me. 287 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,080 Yeah. 288 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:58,280 Well, here's here's another thing that that I wanted to discuss is some of these festivals 289 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:03,840 where you have a lot of bands playing on on a specific day. 290 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:09,680 And it reminds me a lot of these memes that you see online where it says, OK, you have 291 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,000 twenty five dollars and you can pick four bands. 292 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,640 And at each tier, this is what each band is worth. 293 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:26,140 And for some of the festivals that I've been seeing, it's almost it's almost like they 294 00:20:26,140 --> 00:20:36,920 spend those twenty five on on two bands that are that are worth, you know, ten and then 295 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,720 everything else are one dollar bands. 296 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:44,220 So yeah, I'm going to give you an example here. 297 00:20:44,220 --> 00:20:48,920 So this is the. 298 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,700 This is this is a festival that is close to me. 299 00:20:52,700 --> 00:20:56,440 This is about two hours away. 300 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,080 And. 301 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,080 All right. 302 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,600 So they've got some known commodities here. 303 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:08,520 OK, so the headliner of night one is Jane's Addiction. 304 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:14,200 Second band on on the tier is Ty Sewell. 305 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,400 I don't know who that is. 306 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:27,040 Third is a is a Spanish band, fourth, fourth and fifth are bona fide and whispering sons. 307 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,560 Then Brigade Loco. 308 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,120 And a bunch of local bands. 309 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:37,000 The following day, it's Queens of the Stone Age with L7. 310 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,080 That'd be a bigger show. 311 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:46,280 Red Cross is there. 312 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,040 There's another Spanish band that I know, but I only know of them because they're signed 313 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,480 to Century Media. 314 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,800 It's a female duo. 315 00:21:54,800 --> 00:22:02,560 And I don't know any of the other one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 316 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:09,560 ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen bands that day. 317 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,520 That's a lot. 318 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,440 Three bands, four bands out of out of twenty. 319 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:22,360 I assume they're playing simultaneously in different spots, right? 320 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:23,360 Correct. 321 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:27,840 They've got three different stages going on. 322 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,360 The third night. 323 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:34,680 Band of Horses is headlining Band of Horses played a small bar. 324 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,880 That's an indie band, right? 325 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:38,880 What's that? 326 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,720 That's an indie rock band, right? 327 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:41,720 Correct. 328 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:42,720 Band of Horses. 329 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,720 Yeah, them. 330 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,680 OK, Cheryl Crowe is playing that night. 331 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:47,680 Wow. 332 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,680 The music has changed here. 333 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,680 Yeah. 334 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:58,000 Mavis Staples, who I believe is kind of like a soul throwback singer. 335 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,920 The Warren Haynes band. 336 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:03,920 Let's see. 337 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,440 Who else do I know here? 338 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:13,040 I've heard of the Detroit Cobras, but I couldn't tell you one of their songs. 339 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:22,960 And there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, 340 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:29,840 fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, seventeen other bands that I have no idea who they are. 341 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,040 So it comes back to. 342 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:42,960 They've got one huge band, one medium sized band, maybe because I mean, L7 was. 343 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,120 Was known. 344 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:47,880 I mean, they were never huge. 345 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,840 So. 346 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,760 And that's that's what's driving tickets that day. 347 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,560 Queens of the Stone Age L7. 348 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:59,080 The previous night, I would say is Jane's Addiction. 349 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:04,160 And that final night, Band of Horses and Cheryl Crowe have even even billing there. 350 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:12,600 So yeah, that is I didn't go to a lot of festivals, but when I did, I feel like I mean, they would 351 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:18,640 have a main stage with the bigger bands, of course, but the other bands that were there 352 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:19,640 were still. 353 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,720 You know, they had their audiences, their fans, they were pretty well known. 354 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:31,040 And when you went to the festival, there was so many bands, good bands that you wanted 355 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,200 to see, you can't get to see them all. 356 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,240 Sometimes you have to choose between one or the other or run back and forth between tents. 357 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:42,200 I don't remember ever going to a festival and being like that to where there's so many 358 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,720 bands you just haven't heard of. 359 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,120 Now, of course, they're always sometimes we'll have like a new band stage and people can 360 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:51,200 sign up with their bands to go and play so people can hear them. 361 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,400 But right now it sounds like you have a whole festival with a bunch of new band stages. 362 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:01,840 OK, so this is the biggest metal festival in Spain. 363 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:07,920 This is taking place next week. 364 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:15,760 So let me go from the smallest stage all the way up to the headlining stage because they 365 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,840 have one, two, three, four stages going on. 366 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:26,460 All right, let me just go by bands that I know here. 367 00:25:26,460 --> 00:25:32,560 So on the smallest stage, you've got Bokassa, who I posted within Patreon, and you've got 368 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:37,040 Nashville Pussy, who's recently towards Spain. 369 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:46,520 The second stage has Biohazard with the original lineup plus Comeback Kid, who I know of, and 370 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,160 then a bunch of bands that I'm not sure of. 371 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:56,400 The next to biggest stage has Sum 41 on their final tour, and that's the only band that 372 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,080 I know there. 373 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:06,200 The big stage for Wednesday is Alice Cooper, Machine Head, Bad Omens and Kerry King. 374 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,600 Nice. 375 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,280 So that at least you know what's going on there. 376 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,680 All right, second day. 377 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,200 This is a four day festival. 378 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,760 You have small stages. 379 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,160 It's called the desert stage. 380 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,440 It's high on fire. 381 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:31,480 Royal Thunder, the Lizards, who's a local stoner band. 382 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,480 Oh, no, that's not the Lizards. 383 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,480 That's the Wizards. 384 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,520 I'm sorry. 385 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,000 The chaos stage. 386 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,400 You have no one that I know of. 387 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:54,760 Ritual stage has Ishan, Earn, Crypta, a death metal band whose name is like 14 letters long 388 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,520 and I've never been able to. 389 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:03,960 And then the main stage is Bring Me the Horizon, Bruce Dickinson and Delane. 390 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,160 And then a few other bands that I've never heard of. 391 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,240 I'd like to see Earn. 392 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:14,520 Those videos you posted turned me on to a couple of their records. 393 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,240 They have one or two, can't remember, but very good band. 394 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,240 Cool. 395 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,040 I hope they'll gain some more fans playing there. 396 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,720 Let's hope. 397 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,800 That's the reason they go, I'm sure. 398 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,880 Desert stage. 399 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,160 I've never really heard of any of those bands. 400 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,160 Chaos stage. 401 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,400 There's a Spanish band that I've heard of who's actually playing on that other festival that 402 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,360 I mentioned, Death Before Dishonor, which is, I believe, they're a hardcore band out 403 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:46,360 of Boston. 404 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:52,080 The ritual stage has Accept on it. 405 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,320 That's the only thing that I really know of there. 406 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,040 And then the main stage has The Offspring and Corey Taylor. 407 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,080 And then the rest are national bands from here. 408 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:12,560 Saturday, the last day of the festival, the desert stage has Empire State Bastard, which 409 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,520 has Dave Lombardo. 410 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,440 Yeah, that's a good band. 411 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:24,080 Green Lung, who I've recently featured on Patreon, and Chemis, who's a band that I have 412 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,800 on vinyl and who I've featured on Patreon in the past. 413 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:38,560 The chaos stage has Chromags, Zulu, and I don't recognize any of the others. 414 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:46,160 Ritual stage has Fear Factory and Fintroll, who's a... 415 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:53,880 I get bombarded with their stuff, but they're more of a pagan band, which for the most part 416 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,800 never goes over well on Patreon. 417 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:05,040 And the headliners are Avenged Sevenfold, Megadeth, Electric Callboy, and Babymetal. 418 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,720 And actually Slaughter to Prevail is actually playing that day as well. 419 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,120 So this is a flat out metal festival. 420 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,580 The names are bigger. 421 00:29:16,580 --> 00:29:22,840 But I'm assuming that a lot of these bands, the price point to get them to play is probably 422 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,280 not all that much. 423 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:30,560 Nashville Pussy recently played the same place where I saw Markey Ramone and they were charging 424 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:38,000 30 bucks to see them. 425 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,600 Except I can't imagine that except is asking for a whole heck of a lot. 426 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,080 And in these states, they're playing theaters. 427 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,280 They're not playing, you know, if they're playing an amphitheater, they're packaged 428 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,400 with somebody else. 429 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,920 Beer Factory at this point is that. 430 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,360 Biohazard at this point is that. 431 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,160 So I mean, yeah, more bang for your buck with this. 432 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:08,040 But again, it comes down to money, I think, to bring some of these bands on board. 433 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:15,840 And the other thing too is that this is a homegrown festival that grew from nothing, 434 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:16,840 basically. 435 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:23,960 One is the biggest metal festival in Spain, whereas the other festival is born out of 436 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:31,800 a corporation who I see other festivals from, which aren't run well. 437 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,680 The grounds always suck. 438 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:41,920 And they're never friendly with anyone. 439 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:47,920 I mean, I just don't get it. 440 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,760 So OK, so so for. 441 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:59,460 Four day tickets to this festival is two hundred dollars, so it's fifty dollars a day. 442 00:30:59,460 --> 00:31:03,480 If you buy individual tickets, it's seventy nine. 443 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,600 It's it's excuse me. 444 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:12,680 It's seventy dollars, more or less, except Saturday is eighty dollars. 445 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:13,680 Right. 446 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:21,320 Yeah, that's going to make more sense going to a festival for a day. 447 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,840 Yeah. 448 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:29,800 So let's get back to what what we're talking about with the economics and and bands maybe 449 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,320 realizing that. 450 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,160 I mean, a festival, I get it. 451 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,520 If a festival, I've always said this. 452 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,560 There's so much money to throw around with some of them that for. 453 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,120 A band like a Motley Crue, like a Twisted Sister to say, oh, we're never playing again, 454 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:50,600 I think is asinine because the festival promoter comes along ten years after you stop playing 455 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,040 and said, says, here's a million dollars to play my festival. 456 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,040 Yeah. 457 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,280 And you're playing the festival. 458 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:09,680 The case for touring, though, with these bands playing theaters, playing big theaters and 459 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,760 not selling well or going to arenas and having to. 460 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:23,760 You know, tie off areas of of the of the arena. 461 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:31,800 I mean, do bands just not understand their worth in 2024? 462 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,520 Because I would think that before planning a tour. 463 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,520 And this is just out of complete ignorance that I'm throwing this out there. 464 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,560 You have to know the expenses involved. 465 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:50,600 You know, does a manager say, hey, you know, last album was five years ago. 466 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,480 It sold this much ticket sold this much. 467 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,040 We did. 468 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,320 We did all penthouse hotels. 469 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,960 It cost us this much. 470 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,480 OK, this album isn't selling as much. 471 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,000 It isn't being streamed as much. 472 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,840 So instead of the penthouse, we're going to have to look at really nice five star hotels. 473 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,920 Yeah, we're going to have to cut back. 474 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:23,120 And instead of playing stadiums with huge pockets being cordoned off, we're going to 475 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,160 play large theaters now. 476 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:32,160 OK, we're going to play a five thousand seat theater, which we're going to fill as a. 477 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,160 Exactly. 478 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,160 Yeah. 479 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,160 As opposed to what they should do. 480 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,160 Yeah. 481 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:42,200 Which is which is what I think what some of these bands aren't doing. 482 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:48,840 And again, I can have members of bands who know this better than I do say, no, you know, 483 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,020 that's it's not that simple. 484 00:33:52,020 --> 00:33:53,720 But I've also talked to people in the past. 485 00:33:53,720 --> 00:34:00,800 I've talked to Tommy Victor from Prong, who told me that they tour basically based on 486 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:07,680 the statistics that they receive from Spotify and based on those statistics, they see where 487 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:16,480 people are listening and where they should be playing as opposed to just routing through 488 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,560 Decatur, Illinois, when when nobody's listening to them out there. 489 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,680 Yeah, that is a good idea. 490 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:31,880 So although some bands may not come through a town like Lexington, if they all did that, 491 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,360 because we can you know, we're starting to have more of a metal scene than we did growing 492 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,360 up and bands like Anvil came through. 493 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:46,480 But yeah, not a lot of people show up. 494 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,480 So yeah, you can see a lot of bands, you know, skipping over even towns like mine. 495 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:52,480 If they did that too much. 496 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,320 But I can also see why they would. 497 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:07,920 Yeah, I think that a lot of the past two has been kind of shoehorning into certain places 498 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,720 just because they were on the way. 499 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:18,520 And again, this is just me speaking out of ignorance. 500 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:24,440 Maybe that's costing them more money than it is just to drive on through a town and 501 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,640 get to someplace elsewhere instead of just selling 50 tickets in a certain city. 502 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,200 Well, maybe they drive an hour or two more and they can sell 200. 503 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,120 And maybe that's not where that they want. 504 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,120 You're right. 505 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,320 That's exactly probably what they sold at that Anvil show that I went to here in Lexington. 506 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,920 It seemed like there was about 50 people there. 507 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,040 You know, I felt bad for them, but they all still, you know, they had a good attitude 508 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,000 and put on a good show. 509 00:35:53,000 --> 00:36:00,560 But if they had just gone an hour further north to Cincinnati, like Bogarts or even 510 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:06,840 in northern Kentucky, they would have had at least twice the size of that crowd, probably, 511 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,840 if not more. 512 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:13,960 Well, you know, thank you for giving us a shot and coming to see us. 513 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:19,880 Here's another thing, too, and maybe their last few tours, they have played Bogarts and 514 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:27,720 maybe playing there gives them less of a cut than them playing in Lexington. 515 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,120 So maybe that would. 516 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,480 Maybe paying for or playing in front of 50 people actually gets them more money than 517 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,440 playing in front of. 518 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,840 I keep that's a good point. 519 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,600 We got Bogarts, they have to pay more to rent that venue. 520 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:46,600 That's right. 521 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:47,600 Show up there. 522 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:48,600 Yeah. 523 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,200 If you only get another 50 people, you might spend all that money on Bogarts. 524 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,840 Yeah. 525 00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:03,240 And that's that's one of the things that Gene Simmons recently discussed was. 526 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:08,880 Him having getting more money out of doing solo dates and when he was playing with Kiss 527 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,840 and he said, you know, well, I'm not taking a 60 member crew out. 528 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,080 I'm not renting eight semi trucks. 529 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,600 I'm not paying hotels for this. 530 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,720 We're not taking this gear. 531 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:26,040 We're you know, we're playing rented gear everywhere. 532 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:33,480 We're just flying in and and they're paying for our hotel and airplane. 533 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,480 And we're making. 534 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:35,480 Yeah. 535 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:41,840 So, again, that's why for a lot of these bands to say, oh, well, we're never going to play 536 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:51,960 again, is asinine because at a festival, they're you know, they can make a lot more money out 537 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,120 of it as a result because of being able to make those kind of deals. 538 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,880 Yeah, sure. 539 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,640 Pricing kids pricing kids out of shows. 540 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,680 We talked a little bit about this a few days ago. 541 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:10,720 I don't remember if we did it during a podcast or kind of behind the scenes when we were 542 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:17,320 growing up, you could have a twenty dollar ticket night where there were a bunch of bands 543 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,240 that you didn't know who they were. 544 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,120 You kind of knew the headliner. 545 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,960 You at least heard the band's name. 546 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,720 There was maybe a local act and then two to three other bands that were coming around 547 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:29,720 touring. 548 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:37,200 But it was 20 bucks or if not, you had five dollar ticket night where it was Discover 549 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,200 a New Band. 550 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,920 It was for bucks. 551 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:51,640 So when we were kids, you were able to see shows based on your allowance or based on 552 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:58,480 it not making you go out of your way or paying two hundred dollars for it. 553 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,080 That's right. 554 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,160 Yeah I could mow two yards for ten dollars a piece. 555 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,400 Remember this is back in the 80s. 556 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,720 So that's all you're going to get. 557 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,440 Ten dollars if you're lucky. 558 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,440 Five for sure. 559 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:11,440 But maybe ten. 560 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,960 You can you can mow two yards and then go see Slayer in Cincinnati on the south of Heaven 561 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,760 Tour for eighteen fifty. 562 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,780 In the early 90s when I saw bands like Agnostic Front and Abituary and some things like that, 563 00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:31,320 it probably was in the low 20s, you know, twenty one fifty or something. 564 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,400 So yeah, big, big difference. 565 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,400 Yeah. 566 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:36,400 Yeah. 567 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:42,720 And that to me has to affect once again the music going audience. 568 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:48,080 It has to affect kids getting involved and wanting to check out bands. 569 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:55,760 It has to involve older people like us that are that are thinking, well, hell, in my case, 570 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,240 I'm buying five tickets or I'm buying four tickets. 571 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,240 Excuse me. 572 00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:09,200 There's a big difference between paying again 20 bucks for four tickets and paying four 573 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,520 to five hundred dollars for four tickets. 574 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,520 Yeah. 575 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:24,120 I don't see how any middle class or less kid pays for shows like that. 576 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,640 Right. 577 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:33,000 And I think that there's there's a lot that's being pointed at the streaming services, for 578 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,320 example, and they say, well, you know, we're not making money off of this. 579 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,640 So so we have to make up money somewhere else. 580 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,880 I don't doubt that. 581 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:52,080 But at the same time, it seems like fans are being gouged to an extent. 582 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,080 Yeah. 583 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,880 I mean, I couldn't even ask for that as a Christmas gift because my parents wouldn't 584 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,080 even spend that much money, you know, on Christmas. 585 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,440 They wouldn't have spent over one hundred dollars for each of his kids or something. 586 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:07,440 Yeah. 587 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:08,440 Yeah. 588 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,640 That's just yeah, it's just amazing that it costs that much for a kid to have to see some 589 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,080 of these bands beyond an arena. 590 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,440 I mean, thank goodness they can still go to clubs, maybe. 591 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,480 Although a lot of clubs you may not be able to get into unless it's all ages, too. 592 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,480 Right. 593 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,680 You know, if we're talking about teenagers here. 594 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:26,680 Yeah. 595 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,320 Yeah, it's very unfortunate. 596 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:37,520 And also, you know, media, you know, albums. 597 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,680 I feel like I'm paying another five or ten dollars per album these days. 598 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:46,440 You know, I've always felt like I've never paid more than. 599 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,080 You know, I like to pay about twenty five bucks maybe. 600 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,080 That's including tax. 601 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,920 Right now, I'm probably going to pay more like thirty. 602 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,960 And of course, if you buy, you know, something like the new Megadeth album, that's a double 603 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:58,960 record. 604 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,280 It might be 50 bucks or more. 605 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:06,200 And man, it's just that's that's a big chunk of money, especially for teenagers. 606 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,440 Right. 607 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:14,320 And that's exactly what my next point was going to be seeing bands releasing vinyl once 608 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,640 again, seeing bands releasing now cassettes. 609 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,480 Again, something that we talked about a few days ago. 610 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,680 Iron Maiden re-releasing Number of the Beast on cassette. 611 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,200 And it be mentioned that. 612 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,640 Twenty five dollars. 613 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,640 Yeah. 614 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:32,640 Yeah. 615 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,920 And and thinking that I wouldn't have paid that much for a CD, thinking that I was running 616 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,520 out and making sure that I was buying the CD first week it came out because it was going 617 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:48,720 to be nine ninety nine previous to that cassette tapes and vinyls back in the day. 618 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:54,000 You know, five ninety nine jumped to seven ninety nine jumped to nine ninety nine. 619 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,440 And then it just went to the upper stratosphere. 620 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:03,480 After that, I remember seeing CDs that were on sale at Tower Records for twenty two ninety 621 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:11,880 nine and thinking that's not a sale and thinking that they were complaining about, oh, well, 622 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,960 we're now going to Wal-Mart and Target and buying this and thinking, yeah, sure. 623 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:16,960 Shit. 624 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:22,480 Am because I'm going to get that CD first week it comes out for seven ninety nine with 625 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,440 two bonus tracks or with a sticker or with a shirt. 626 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,880 I'm not paying twenty two ninety nine. 627 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:39,200 So when a Tower Records went out of business with those prices, I didn't feel bad about 628 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:47,720 it at all because I thought I'm going to go with the place that's giving me something 629 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:49,240 that I can afford. 630 00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:55,200 And there are there are there are a few record shops that I'm going to visit when I'm back 631 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,880 in the States. 632 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:03,120 But I think that they've maintained they've maintained their legacy, being able to stay 633 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,920 alive because they've been able to compete in the market and offer some certain things 634 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:15,320 that other places couldn't and still keep reasonable prices for new things. 635 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,320 Yeah. 636 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,320 Yeah. 637 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:24,560 Most of the record stores seem to be a mix of new and selling used stuff. 638 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:32,640 You can sell so much used vinyl now that that almost helps drive the newer sales, too, I 639 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,480 think, because people are coming in there to buy like me. 640 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:40,920 I go by look at all the used records every week and then. 641 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:46,080 When a new record comes out like that Kerry King album, I'll let them know to order me 642 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,360 a copy of that, pick that up here and there. 643 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,360 Right. 644 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,360 Yeah. 645 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,000 I spend most of my money on the used stuff or have been I've almost bought everything 646 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,920 that I need by now. 647 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,160 Yeah. 648 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,840 I was big on that with CDs. 649 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:08,920 I would go from one used CD shop to another because I didn't care it was used if it still 650 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:16,800 sounded and even still, I would remember there was a place close to where I lived that had 651 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:22,280 a bin that had CDs for two ninety nine. 652 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,680 Well, what's wrong with this? 653 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,200 It was David Lee Rothseedam and smile. 654 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,680 Well, the CDs fine, but the jewel case is broken. 655 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,280 Oh, I can use the jewel case. 656 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,280 Yeah. 657 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,280 Yeah. 658 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,800 Or I remember getting Downs Nola on CD for the first time. 659 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,200 They said, well, it's got two scratches on it. 660 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,200 I go, does it play? 661 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,200 Yeah, it plays fine. 662 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,000 OK, I don't give a shit. 663 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,240 It's got a scratch on the bottom. 664 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:47,040 I'm not looking at it. 665 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,480 You know, so it plays. 666 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,480 That's what I want. 667 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:51,480 That's right. 668 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:58,000 So, yeah, I think that's the way some of these record stores like you're mentioning, that's 669 00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,000 how they get along. 670 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,160 A lot of their sales are coming from selling used stuff. 671 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,160 Right. 672 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,160 Not just vinyl. 673 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:11,000 It can be used clothing and buttons and posters and every little trinket you can think of. 674 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,000 Yeah. 675 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,920 Yeah, absolutely. 676 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,480 When it comes to streaming services, so I know you've got a lot of physical content. 677 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,640 Do you use any streaming service? 678 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,720 Yeah, I use the Apple Music. 679 00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:27,720 OK. 680 00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:33,000 Which is, you know, eleven or ten ninety nine a month, I guess. 681 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,640 Now, I started using the iTunes match. 682 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:37,640 Do you remember that? 683 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:38,640 Yes. 684 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:39,760 What that was? 685 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:45,240 That would allow you to upload your collection into their cloud service for twenty five dollars 686 00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:46,800 a month. 687 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:53,160 And then that was merged in with Apple Music and went to that monthly subscription. 688 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:59,840 And so that's kind of how I check out all the new stuff without having to, you know, 689 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,960 work too hard to hear it. 690 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:08,360 So you know, you can plug it into the car and, you know, with your iPhone, have it everywhere 691 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,000 you go. 692 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,160 So and then anything that I want to. 693 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,280 So it's like a mix. 694 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:21,000 It's a combination of the iTunes match and Apple Music. 695 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,440 You know, you can listen to anything in their library and then you can also upload your 696 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,880 own CDs there. 697 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,960 Now, I had my own home media server. 698 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,120 I use that flex media program. 699 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,120 You've probably heard of that. 700 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:40,080 And so I've got all my movies and CDs, you know, ripped uncompressed to a Linux server 701 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,760 in my closet. 702 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,640 And then I can listen to, you know, anything I want to anywhere I go. 703 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,440 And then I use the Apple Music to hear all the new stuff. 704 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,640 So that keeps me, you know, that keeps me abreast of everything that's new. 705 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,640 Lets me know what I might like to buy. 706 00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,560 Okay, cool. 707 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,120 And I know they're not getting much, but at least I'm paying something for it. 708 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,120 You know, right. 709 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,120 Yeah. 710 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,160 And I like you. 711 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,480 If there's something that I find that I really enjoy, I go out of my way to pick it up. 712 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,000 And that's the way that I try to support the art. 713 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,760 Yeah, I did plenty of that. 714 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,360 We're talking about spending all that money. 715 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:28,680 And so I've got, you know, my old bands that I grown up with, like Believer here, you know, 716 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,400 I told you I went and bought all these new versions of these. 717 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,040 That probably cost $100. 718 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:41,400 And then one of my other favorite bands, Living Sacrifice, you know, they were in the 90s 719 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,880 and had no vinyl, but now they've got everything. 720 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,280 So I probably spent, you know, two to $300 and all of that. 721 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,720 But you know, that'll be with me until I die. 722 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:53,720 Right. 723 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:59,040 It's with especially my old age, I start to forget the shows that I've seen. 724 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:04,760 But at least I've got that that album that I can keep with me forever. 725 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:05,760 So that's it. 726 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,920 That feels like a better investment, even though it's a big chunk of money. 727 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:09,920 Right. 728 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:20,040 Well, my next question is, what what do you think about kids sticking to streaming and 729 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,520 not wanting physical media? 730 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:31,440 Do you feel that the prices are pricing kids out of wanting to pick up physical media? 731 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,240 And that's why they're going with streaming. 732 00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:39,560 Also, I mean, sure, the streaming is whatever 1099, 999, whatever it is, depending on the 733 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,160 service. 734 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,240 Yeah. 735 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:49,560 It still ends up being a lot cheaper than them going out and picking up an album a week 736 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,760 or a month, you know, based on that. 737 00:49:52,760 --> 00:50:02,320 Although that has been changing, I am I frequently, especially if I go to the local record store 738 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:09,880 that I go to on Saturdays or any time on the weekends, it's very frequent now. 739 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,920 I'll see teenagers in there. 740 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:12,920 OK. 741 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,760 A lot of times coming in with their parents. 742 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:22,680 And I saw a girl there last year buying, you know, Too Fast for Love and things like that, 743 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,000 that she had found in the news bin. 744 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,000 Right. 745 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:36,360 And I have a niece who's she's 16 now, but she's got a record player and some albums. 746 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:41,080 And I bought her an album for Christmas by TV Girl. 747 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,640 Have you heard of them before? 748 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:52,800 But you know, they a lot of the kids that I'm coming across are appreciating not only 749 00:50:52,800 --> 00:51:01,080 the music, but the mediums that we use and are starting to collect and and just understand 750 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,880 the value of having that. 751 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:03,880 Right. 752 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:09,960 Of course, it's streaming is always going to be the thing that most people do. 753 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:15,360 And it really is unfortunate that the artist gets so little money from that. 754 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,280 I think that I wish that could change. 755 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,120 Yeah, I agree with all of that. 756 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:28,960 I mean, we've talked that nauseam about my kids and how they're into for the most part, 757 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,840 they like rock music, they like other stuff as well. 758 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,160 But for them, they enjoy collecting CDs. 759 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:47,880 And one of the things that this year was whenever they got a beer above, they got a CD for getting 760 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:48,880 a good grade. 761 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,840 And there were a pile of CDs that I'd bought. 762 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,280 I mean, I didn't spend a whole heck of a lot on them. 763 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,600 And they were thrilled. 764 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:07,760 You know, my my youngest son got 72 seasons by Metallica this way. 765 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:16,960 And it's his go to album to listen to every night before he goes to sleep. 766 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,360 That's cool, man. 767 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:23,040 Yeah, it's all very exciting to me. 768 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:28,160 Every time I see these kids, I always have to bug them and talk to them a bit to find 769 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:35,720 out how is it they're interested in these same things that you and I are. 770 00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:39,880 And you can see that you can see the joy on their parents faces, too. 771 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,080 They're having those moments with their kids, buying those records for them. 772 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,080 It's neat to see. 773 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,520 Yeah, absolutely. 774 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:53,560 I mean, speaking from my own personal experience, it's always a thrill to go to these places 775 00:52:53,560 --> 00:53:00,280 and the different record shops and seeing them want to pick stuff out. 776 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,280 That's right. 777 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,280 Yeah, it's fun. 778 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:09,800 The last thing that I wanted to bring up on this topic, we've talked about instruments. 779 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,280 You've got a few guitars behind you. 780 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:19,280 Could you imagine as a kid being told that if you wanted to get a decent guitar, that 781 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:26,560 you had to pay three thousand dollars for a Les Paul, let's say? 782 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:27,560 No. 783 00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:34,040 Man, can you imagine how long on my first job, Kentucky Fried Chicken, three dollars 784 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,400 and fifteen cents. 785 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,440 At some point, I got a raise, a ten cent raise. 786 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,440 And how many hours would I have to work to buy a three thousand dollar guitar? 787 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:48,360 Yeah, that's crazy. 788 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,960 My first guitar was an Odessa or Odessa. 789 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:59,720 I don't know how to say that properly, but it was a Les Paul copy, you know, with like 790 00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:02,600 an orange burst paint job. 791 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:03,600 Right. 792 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:09,440 I paid for a hundred dollars from some guy locally. 793 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:14,040 But then after that, I started eyeing a J.B. player. 794 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,040 Do you remember those guitars? 795 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,520 I remember them. 796 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:24,120 Yeah, they were all the ones I saw were white and they're really cool looking guitar. 797 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,080 And that was probably more like three hundred dollars. 798 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,760 And I remember saving up the money to buy that. 799 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:36,560 And then I had to buy an amplifier, which I went and got a stupid, super high interest 800 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:41,440 loan to buy a crate amplifier for like seven hundred dollars. 801 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,520 And I was a stupid kid, had no clue what I was doing. 802 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:49,160 And I probably paid for that three or four times over, maybe an interest payments. 803 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,840 But right. 804 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:58,120 And actually, my very first amp was a tiny little fender amp with like a small, who knows, 805 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,160 one inch speaker in there that my mom got for twenty five dollars. 806 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,160 Right. 807 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:09,320 But yeah, I mean, you could still buy some expensive guitars back then. 808 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:14,400 But gosh, boy, they've gone way up now. 809 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,400 Absolutely. 810 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,400 Yeah. 811 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:17,400 Yeah. 812 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:22,560 What's what's the most expensive one you have there in your room? 813 00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:31,760 Most expensive that I have cost me about a thousand. 814 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,760 Yeah. 815 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,200 And what is it? 816 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,680 It's a Paul Gilbert fire fireman. 817 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:46,600 It's the first one that he released, which is the finish is reminiscent of your classic 818 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:51,400 SG finish. 819 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:59,800 That's the most expensive I've I have a few other Ibanez that I've paid seven something 820 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:08,840 for an hour base that I paid about seven for the other fireman that I bought after that, 821 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:15,600 after paying import fees and everything was about seven hundred. 822 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:21,360 That's about the most expensive electronic drum set I have next to me. 823 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:22,960 That was about thirteen hundred. 824 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,760 That's probably the most expensive piece of musical equipment that I've purchased. 825 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:28,760 Yeah. 826 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:29,760 Yeah. 827 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,440 But it's a similar deal. 828 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,840 I remember somebody seeing the drum set and saying, oh, I got to pick one of those up 829 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:37,840 for my kid. 830 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,400 I'm like, they're not cheap. 831 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,880 Yeah, that's right. 832 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:46,560 You got one of those for like a hundred and something like, no, like this is this is thirteen 833 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:47,560 hundred. 834 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,040 It sounds like a real drum set. 835 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,440 It sounds like an acoustic drum set. 836 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,800 Yeah, that's something else I would much rather buy used. 837 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,800 I don't need to pay for retail for something like that. 838 00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:58,800 Right. 839 00:56:58,800 --> 00:56:59,800 Right. 840 00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:14,000 So I think to summarize this discussion, economics, I mean, economics play a big part in I think 841 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:20,200 keeping hard rock and metal alive, music in general alive, because we talked about Black 842 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,560 Keys and Jennifer Lopez as well. 843 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:27,400 Do you ever think we talk about Jennifer Lopez on your show? 844 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,800 No, not at all. 845 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,640 But it was the it was the biggest example. 846 00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:34,640 So in the perfect. 847 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:35,640 Yeah. 848 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:41,800 And and the thing there, too, is that you still have big other big pop artists that 849 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,360 are going out and I haven't problems selling tours. 850 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,240 You know, Taylor Swift, of course, Beyonce. 851 00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:52,720 You have Madonna, who's playing smaller venues, not playing big stadiums like some like the 852 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,440 other two that I mentioned. 853 00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:00,200 JLo just. 854 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,560 It's just it's just not what it used to be. 855 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:11,920 And I've even seen members of, for example, I think it was Redmond from Wu Tang Clan, 856 00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:16,000 who said that they're having a hard time connecting with younger kids. 857 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,760 And that's why they feel that a lot of their tickets aren't selling as well. 858 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:26,680 So, yeah, I think money ultimately comes into that as if a kid can afford to buy your music. 859 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,160 It's going to be more likely that they give it a shot. 860 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,200 That's right. 861 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,400 That's one of the big problems I think they're going to have. 862 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:35,400 It's yeah. 863 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,880 I mean, how are they going to grow those audiences at those prices? 864 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:39,880 Yeah. 865 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:40,880 Agreed. 866 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,800 A good way to sum that up, I think. 867 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:44,800 Yeah. 868 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:45,800 Yeah. 869 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:46,800 Cool. 870 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:52,320 So what we're going to do, I didn't think this discussion would go this long, but we've 871 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,240 we've kind of done like an hour with this. 872 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:55,840 Yeah, we sure have. 873 00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:56,840 Yeah. 874 00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:01,080 So what we're going to do is we're going to put this discussion to bed and we may have 875 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,720 another discussion in the future. 876 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:12,200 Ed and myself want to thank Ed for hopping on here and joining me and discussing this. 877 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,000 And I enjoyed it. 878 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,000 Awesome. 879 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:20,500 So on that note, thank you to everyone who is watching the replay of this or listening 880 00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:23,440 to the audio version. 881 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:28,400 Appreciate your support and we'll see you next time right here on Signals from Mars. 882 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:54,200 See you folks.