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Hi everybody, you are watching Lips from the band Anvil on Signals from Mars.

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Welcome everyone to episode 386 of Signals from Mars.

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I'm your host Victor and as you might surmise, this episode features an interview with Lips,

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the lead singer of Anvil, had a nice 40 something minute chat with him and we'll be getting

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into that roughly around the 5 minute mark.

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Here we go.

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I'm ready.

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Let's do it.

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So it has been some time since I've actually done this interview.

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So it has been some time since I've actually done an interview on the show.

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I have been in a fairly good rhythm speaking to patrons and other people that are sure

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a lot less known, but similar to something that we're going to talk about during this

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episode between Lips and myself.

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Success.

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How do you measure success?

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I love doing these shows where I talk to other people and yeah, maybe the vast majority of

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the podcasting universe doesn't care about these conversations, but a lot of what attracts

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me to music and has always done so is that dialogue back and forth with other people

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discussing different topics, different bands, different things in the news regarding music

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and whatnot and I think it's fun and it's therapeutic and it's awesome, which is why

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I do the podcast.

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My goal a little while back was to try to do interviews here and there because it also

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becomes kind of a, yeah, I don't know.

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I don't want to interview people just for the sake of interviewing them.

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I've always wanted to try and interview people that I'm interested in, that I enjoy their

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music.

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They can be newer bands.

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They can be bands like Anvil that have been around for some time, but I don't like the

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generic softball interview where you can tell the interviewer just doesn't care about the

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band.

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And ultimately it's all the, hey, so where are you going next on tour?

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And so do you remember recording Metal on Metal?

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Do you remember where it's all blast from the past and nostalgia stuff?

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There's a lot of things that you can talk about and listen if that's what you like doing

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on your show, more power to you.

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But I don't know, man, I like talking about current stuff.

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I like mixing in other stuff.

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It's just whatever you do, you, and this is what I like doing.

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And I like talking about music.

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So it's why the show is in the direction that it's in now.

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That's not to say that I won't be including more interviews, which is what I do want to

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do.

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I think this will be kind of the first step in incorporating or bringing back more interview

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based shows.

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In any event, I do want to thank you for listening to this episode.

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Enjoy the episode and help spread the word.

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Welcome everyone to another episode of signals from Mars.

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I am pleased to announce Lips from Anvil joining me today.

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Sir, how are you?

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I'm okay.

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Awesome.

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So when I was given the opportunity to interview you, the first thing that came to mind for

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some reason was the documentary and seeing a maple leaf beanie featured prevalently at

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the beginning.

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So my first question to you is out of all the Toronto sports franchises, which is the

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next one that's going to bring sports glory back to Toronto?

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Obviously the maple leaves.

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It's only been since 1967.

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You've got faith in them being able to turn it around and finally get out of the first

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round.

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That's why you call them the mainly briefs.

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See growing up in the New York area as a Rangers fan, I've never heard that.

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It's usually things like that towards, you know, Islanders or flyers or stuff like that

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for your, for when I was growing up, at least the rivals at that time.

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So that brings a smile to my face to know that there are other nicknames for other teams.

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Oh yeah, definitely.

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Speaking of the documentary, it came out 16 years ago at this point.

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How important do you feel that was for the band's legacy?

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It righted all the wrongs.

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It righted all the wrongs, man.

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All the misfortune.

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And without the misfortune, there wouldn't have been any movie.

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So what the hell?

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Perfect ending to all the bullshit.

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You know what I mean?

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So it's kind of like a balancing.

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Totally, totally balancing.

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And you know what's wonderful about all of it and the real truth, although it comes across

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that, you know, people think that, you know, we want that stardom like a Metallica or one

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of the big, big bands.

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That's not the case.

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That's not the case.

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What we wanted was to make a living from our fucking band.

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Simple as that.

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It's really is just as simple as that because 99% of bands don't make a living.

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Right.

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Everybody wants that.

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But meanwhile, no one is making that because there's incredible competition.

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Musicians undersell themselves so bad to get a gig.

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So why are they going to pay, you know, a thousand bucks when they can pay five hundred?

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So now you've got bands playing for five hundred.

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And that's no good.

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Hey, now you're paying to play.

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That's going on.

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You'll get a gig at the whiskey and you're going to pay them to play.

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That's what it's turned into.

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Yeah, that's crazy.

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But that's that's the realities of the business.

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That's you know, but that's what it's up against.

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After the movie, I haven't stopped working.

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I haven't done it.

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I haven't done a delivery for choice children's catering in 17 years.

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You know, I'm making a full on living.

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No, I'm not a millionaire.

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And that's not what I really wanted.

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I just wanted to make a living like everybody else.

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Well, it's like it's and it's a dream come true.

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And it did.

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It did.

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You worked hard enough.

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And the other thing is, God, everything I ever, ever wanted.

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Or ever strive for.

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I attained it.

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I didn't want the mass stardom or the number one hit or the, you know, the top 10 on Billboard.

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That's that's not what metal is.

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It's not what metal is.

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And the bands that the bands that do make it in there, they're there for a blink.

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And then they they're they're pigeonholed and and called and looked at from whatever

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that hit was forever.

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And they never do better or never do worse.

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That's what they are.

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And they never and they can go on forever just being the same and never.

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You know, it's not it's not it's not what I wanted to do.

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I wanted to put out music for my entire life.

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Robin I wanted to do this for a lifetime and not sell out, not be commercial, not be, you

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know, turn into what everything else watered down garbage.

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No, that's not.

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That's not what we want to do.

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Stay consistent, stay true to our fans, all those things.

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And here we are 20 albums later.

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Hey, man, how come they're not big stars?

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How about we don't want to be?

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How about it takes it takes so much, so much synchronicity to actually get anywhere in

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this business.

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And what do I mean by that?

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Finding the right manager, finding the right booking agent, putting out the right album

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at the right time, being with the right label, then then the people it's down to the people

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getting that tour, getting the big tour, the opening slot.

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Do you know what it's like?

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Look at here we are.

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Forty five years into this business.

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OK.

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I haven't I haven't done shows in big arenas in the United States other than the five days

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or four ACDC shows.

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Other than that, doing four shows with Aerosmith in 1982.

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If you don't if you don't get on a real tour and not do five shows, what I'm talking about

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is do 30 shows with with Kiss, 30 shows with with Iron Maiden, you know, 30 shows with.

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Until you do those things, you sit and you play clubs.

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That's what you do, because that's what the alternative is.

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And there is no alternative because you're not going to get those those positions on

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those tours unless you've got a horseshoe up your ass.

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Big.

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In other words, you got a big selling record right out the gate and you're you're a commodity

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worth worth hiring.

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Their management's not going to look at you unless you can bring 10,000 people to that

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show.

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OK.

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And that's the way it works.

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And if you can't bring 10,000 people to the show, we want what 10,000 people would be

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paying to be at the show.

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So you're buying on.

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OK.

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So all these these contingencies until those contingencies are met and and and and dealt

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with, you don't make it right.

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You just don't make it.

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And you never will.

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It's just the nature of what it is.

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And if you don't want to if you don't believe me, go try it.

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Knock yourself out, man.

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And it's interesting.

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A lot of the topics you just touched upon is spread out across 14 years of me podcasting.

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There are a lot of topics that we've touched on over the years, like bands having that

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one single and always having a B version, a C version, a D version of that single on

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every album, a watered down version of that to just recently we were talking about economics

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in music in 2024 outside of the metal realm.

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We've seen big rock acts, big pop acts that have had to cancel huge scores because they're

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not selling tickets.

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And a lot of what you're saying, you know, for me as an ignorant podcaster, I thought,

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well, who's the manager there that's saying let's go play these stadiums when maybe the

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reality is maybe we can't play those stadiums.

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Maybe we can only play a package tour on an amphitheater on an amphitheater run.

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Maybe we can only play 2000 seat venues because we can't sell out the Maple Leaf Garden or

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whatever.

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We can, but we're going to have to rope off 80 percent of the place and we're going to

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have to pay for that.

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So I'm glad that you brought that up because it was one of the points that I did want to

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touch upon because the documentary does give you that kind of feel that, hey, you may not

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be in a place where you want to be, but reality may be something different.

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As you're saying, no, no, hey, listen, man, it's ridiculous.

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Hey, they're not there.

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You know, the people calling out saying we're not successful.

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You go and record 12 albums.

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Yeah.

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Before you say that I'm not successful, you go record 12 albums and live in obscurity and

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deal with having to have a day job and then finally get a movie out and then you tell

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me what what what's going on, what's successful or not.

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Being successful in the music industry is writing a bunch of songs, recording them with

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the guys that you've that you love like brothers and make make the best piece of music, best

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pieces of music that you possibly can and get it out in the public domain.

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That's being successful.

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How many records you sell is not even relevant because at the end of the day, it's about

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how many songs did you write?

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How much did you contribute?

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What did you bring to this world?

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That's what living is about is what you bring to the world, not what the world gives to

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you.

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If you have to, if if you have to judge everything on on what the world gives to you, you're

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going to get got fuck all.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, I mean, even even even if if you've got no one that loves you, you got fuck all.

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And if you haven't got someone to love, you got fuck all.

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You know what I mean?

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There's a lot more money is only one small aspect of of of our human existence.

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And until you put it in perspective of what it actually is, it's a means to an end.

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It's to feed yourself.

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That's what you're using to make money.

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So once you've fed yourself, everything more is abundance.

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What do you if you're a minimalist, you feed yourself and you go out and you enjoy your

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fucking life and get as much and put as much of yourself out there as you can to to actually

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be responsible for for all kinds of as much as possible and get as much done in your life

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as you can.

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That's what it's all about.

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So you know, the guy who wins, the guy who the guy who records a thousand songs in a

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lifetime, that's the guy who wins.

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He was successful.

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That's real success, man.

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Yeah, I think that the whole success thing is is very relative to what your goals are,

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because at the end of the day, you're the one that's living your life.

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At the end of the day.

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Yeah, someone come up to you on the Internet that you don't even know, say, oh, well, yeah,

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sure, he's recorded 20 albums, but he's never gotten that number one or that statue or most

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bands don't weigh more than don't than ever do.

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And usually bands that do do it once and live off it for for the rest of their lives, whether

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you want it that way or not.

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The world, that's what they do to you.

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The world does that to every band.

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They pick a song and you're fucked.

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That's what it is, whether you liked it or not.

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We put out the metal on metal album, then the song metal on metal to me at that particular

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time was the weakest song on that album.

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Right.

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I'm going to it's got it's got the least integrity.

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You know, it's got a short guitar solo.

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It's it's got, you know, mid range singing.

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There's no real melody going on.

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You know, there's all these things that I felt as as as a musician that it fell short

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of of of the other songs.

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In comparison, it's not to me.

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It was not as an integrity.

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Didn't have the integrity that the other songs did.

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But it's our song for ever, whether we like it or not.

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You know what I'm saying?

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And you know, you could say, oh, geez, you know, why didn't they pick it?

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It doesn't matter what they pick so long as they pick something.

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OK.

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But having said that, I have not absolutely not gone and written 20 metal on metals.

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Right.

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There's one.

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That's it.

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You know, that's the way it works.

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Or at least that's the way it works for me.

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I try not to write the same song twice.

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And sometimes I do it.

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I do try to write the same song twice in a certain sense to capture the same feelings,

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but they're still the same song.

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Right.

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I get what you're saying.

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It's the same as taking a picture.

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You know, when you take a picture, you may take a snapshot of a specific moment, but

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you take it from a different angle.

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It's not the same picture.

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It's not the same thing, but it's giving you something different.

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That's right.

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That is comparable.

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And it's sort of like it's sort of like you think about Van Gogh and his paintings of

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the flowers in the flower vase.

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There's about I think I think there's almost a dozen of them.

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OK.

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And they're all over the world.

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And everybody who looks at them thinks they're looking at the same painting.

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But as soon as you see them up against each other, they're vastly different.

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Yeah.

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Each one's got its own thing.

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But yet they're all they're all similar, but all unique.

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Right.

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So it's really much the same thing.

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But then again, you know, Van Gogh is another example of of anvilism in a certain sense.

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They didn't.

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The guy didn't sell a paint one sold one painting his whole entire life.

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And now now his paintings are you can't even put a price tag on it.

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So fucking it's worth so much.

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You know what I mean?

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But meanwhile, in his day and age, and he died, a poor man.

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So you know, more more of injustice in the arts, just typical common and typical.

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You know, you don't know what you got till it's gone.

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All the cliched stuff that they say about it, you know, it's true.

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There's no bitterness.

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I'm not have no bitterness.

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I am completely, completely content and happy and proud of everything that I've ever done.

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So it's all good, man.

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At this point, the other thing that I wanted to bring up about the documentary is we've

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seen documentaries forever.

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But it seemed like your documentary was kind of lightning striking because it kind of set

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off a wave of other a new generation or new era of documentaries.

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And I mean, I would take it a step further and say that your documentary probably fueled

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stuff like the Queen biopic and the Elton John biopic and stuff like that.

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Do you feel that your movie had that type of influence?

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It's no different than my fucking music, dude.

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OK, how do you think it how do you think it looked to it to to to Rob and I to watch in

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1983, the whole world pick up on what we did and and leave us behind.

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OK, we were doing it before there.

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There wasn't even metal didn't exist in North America.

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Didn't call it metal.

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We were doing something that they were doing in England.

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And we were one of the very first metal bands to play in America.

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Yeah, you got hard rock.

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But there's a there's a there's there's there was a differential.

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There's a difference.

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There's a difference between hard rock and metal because hard rock was still attached

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to rock and roll and still use rock and roll progressions.

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Metal used more of a prog attitude.

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You had songs that that that were much more complicated than than just rock and roll.

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Certainly, certainly the Iron Maidens, the Phantom of the Opera and songs like that or

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or Anvil Mothra.

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It's not rock and roll.

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It's a form of it, but it's it's it's metal that turned it into metal.

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What we call metal and it's it's taking taking and riff rock.

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So that's that's what it is.

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And you can you can put titles on it, but you can also talk about it in musicality.

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What what what things we're actually doing.

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You know, so that's how I kind of see it.

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So it's it there was a difference.

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And some of the problems that that that that I've been faced with is that I'm I'm kind

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of the bridge between between hard rock and heavy metal.

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Because I was one of the pioneering bands that that created that bridge.

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So I had songs I have.

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I still have songs that that venture back into the rock and roll world.

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But at the same time, there are songs that are not rock and roll.

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OK.

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And you can hear that, obviously, obviously, Dead Man's Shoes or or actually, that's not

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even a good example.

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Probably probably more like blind rage is that's not really rock and roll.

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That's all on metal.

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That's what you know, when you go.

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And you're not using it down.

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And that completely different, different

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genre in the if you know, just in the riffs itself.

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But but that's that's you know, we can sit and discuss how how hard rock became metal.

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And you know, it's you know, it certainly certainly Black Sabbath and Deep Purple and

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Led Zeppelin were the were the the forerunners of all of it, really, because that's when

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the biggest and the biggest influence after Hendrix, you know, the use of distorted guitars

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and stuff and what all of a sudden, every everybody's doing it.

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You know, nothing stays sacred.

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But you know, everything is stolen by the next by the next generation and regurgitated

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in a new a new fashion.

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And that's what's going on in the music industry for for decades now.

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But I think we might have might have gone the full circle.

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You know, I don't know that you can't go any you can't go any you certainly can't go much

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further with lead with guitar.

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Yeah, it's on its thing, man.

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It's done.

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I and that's that's that's part of where the downslide for for the interest in it went

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once you got to the point where the guitar playing is so phenomenal that everybody starts

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sounding the same.

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You can't tell one guitar player from the next.

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It's done.

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It's over.

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The race is finished.

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You know what I mean?

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It for for many, many years in hard rock and metal, especially it was who had the best

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guitar player in their band.

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Everything was was revolved around the lead guitar.

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I mean, otherwise, what would Van Halen mean without without any Van Halen?

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Right, right, right.

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Exactly.

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Around around around the guitar, which we all know.

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Obviously, we all know that.

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But we're at a point in history that they've done everything, every every possible way

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of playing lead guitar has been done.

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So what do you do?

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What's what is there left to do?

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Write good songs.

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That's all that's left.

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It's not about the guitar solo anymore.

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It's about the frickin song.

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The riffs last forever.

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The solos are here temporarily.

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That's the way it is, man.

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Yeah, I think that gets lost on a lot of I don't want to say newer bands because I sound

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like an old fart saying that.

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But I think with the advent of of technology and people being able to record anything they

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want from home and being able to perfect a lot of things, the as you're saying, it's

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almost like a space race.

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But we already we were able to go the fastest.

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We were able to play the most amount of notes, the most amount of this, most amount of that.

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But at the end of the day, what's the most memorable and what are you going to what's

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going to speak to you really?

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What's actually going to entertain you?

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OK, cool.

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We got past the Olympic event, but what's going to say?

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Where's the entertainment value?

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Where's the fulfillment of of what what we love as human beings, which is melody?

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Yeah.

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No melody, no music.

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Yeah, I agree.

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When you when you when you put too many notes, you lose the melody.

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You know, when you when you play too fast, you can't use melody.

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That's why all the death metal that's playing a million miles an hour has got some guy screaming

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like Cookie Monster.

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You know, it's it if you start thinking about what it is and what what what it is that but

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it is about melody.

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If you haven't got a melody, it's really not music.

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Technically speaking, it's not.

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Yeah, I think for me, it's definitely something that's always attracted me to bands.

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And even if they have gone with some of that more Cookie Monster sound, if they're able

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to pull in some sort of melody to their songs, that's always kind of open.

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You know, what these bands do, they've got, of course, the death metal vocals.

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But what they do to offset that there's no melody is they'll put they'll put melody

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in with the guitars.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it's usually a slower melody line that they'll add in some place in in the song.

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And now the song has a shape and form because without that, they're there.

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It's just fucking noise.

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Sorry.

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We got a bunch of it, but I'm going to do that.

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And every song is how are you going to discern?

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OK.

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This is the real truth about humans and ears.

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OK.

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Years ago, I did an experiment and I'm not this is no joke.

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I used a four track tape recorder and I went and I recorded on each track different sounds

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in around the house, keys popping a glass breaking, just various sounds of all types

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and just filled four minutes of tape on four tracks.

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And it just filled with all different things.

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You know, it's in stereo and it's being banned.

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All of a sudden, there's a glass smashing here that you listen to it 10 times.

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And even before the glass smashes, you're going, here comes the glass smashing.

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You're memorizing the fucking noise.

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Interesting.

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Oh, what does that say?

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It says that we we basically remember we can memorize noise and it turns into music.

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That's how we recognize it as music.

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That's that's what it is.

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And that's why you can get away with playing a billion miles an hour with no melody.

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You eventually you listen to it enough and it becomes music.

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You memorize all the all the bumps and scratches and everything that I mean, it's

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if you think about it, OK.

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Johnny Z, you know, the great Johnny Z, right?

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Yeah.

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He bought the Metal on Metal album way, way of course, way to back, way to back, kind

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of first pressing and it had a skip in Mothra.

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You know, he talked about that skip till the day he died.

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That's that that's amazing because there's so many things that as a kid that I had that

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you ended up getting scratches in your vinyl albums and you listen to it later when you're

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listening to it on CD.

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You're expected to hear that crap or pop or or skip.

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I know, man.

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Exactly.

484
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Exactly.

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So you're saying that that actually made the hair stand up on on my arms because I've experienced

486
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,840
that so many times where you're like, OK, here it comes.

487
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:26,560
The beginning of Ozzy Osbourne's Tribute, where it's the opera lead up.

488
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,600
I forget the name of the song.

489
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:34,520
But anyway, it skips on my vinyl right into the beginning of I don't know.

490
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,720
So it's when I hear it back, it's like, oh, here comes the skip.

491
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,240
Oh, no, it's the CD version.

492
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,800
So we don't have the skip anymore.

493
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,800
I hear the whole intro.

494
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:42,800
So great.

495
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,800
Yeah.

496
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:44,800
They changed the song.

497
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,800
It's a song.

498
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,800
There you go.

499
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,800
That's great.

500
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,760
But but but that's how our brain works.

501
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,560
That's why what we're talking about works.

502
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,560
That's why.

503
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,460
And you can get away with a lot of garbage, man.

504
00:32:59,460 --> 00:33:01,480
People memorize a lot of garbage.

505
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,480
Yeah.

506
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,480
Yeah.

507
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,480
Makes sense.

508
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,800
It makes sense when you when you when you put it together like that.

509
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,680
It completely makes sense.

510
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,240
We've talked about a lot of things we haven't really talked about one and only.

511
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,240
OK.

512
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,560
Let's do that.

513
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,560
Yeah.

514
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,560
So you've worked with Martin and and Oaken for the last few albums.

515
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,480
Yeah.

516
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,000
Why does it make sense for you guys to continue to work with them?

517
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,000
What do they add?

518
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,580
They completely.

519
00:33:33,580 --> 00:33:43,800
They do an amazing, an amazing job at getting the best, the best performances.

520
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:50,840
Fixing listen to the sound of those albums.

521
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,600
You're not going to do much better than that.

522
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:53,600
You got German.

523
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,480
It's German technology done by Germans.

524
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,200
It's like and they're metal fanatics.

525
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,400
No one knows that music better than than those people.

526
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,400
No one.

527
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,900
It's a culture in that country.

528
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:09,060
It's not just a passing fancy.

529
00:34:09,060 --> 00:34:14,320
This has been something that's been going on for decades.

530
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,560
So and there are generations of these people.

531
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,760
It's not just one age group.

532
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,360
It's like across the whole fucking thing, man.

533
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:34,720
It's like, wow, you got you got children to elderly adults listening to metal.

534
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:40,040
It's way, way, way much more ingrained in Germany than it is in North America.

535
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,720
It's not even comparable.

536
00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:47,240
You know, why would I go to, you know, like, why would I record in Canada when you've got

537
00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:53,840
maybe a handful of guys that even know or even into the music that are any good at being

538
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,240
engineers and working in studios?

539
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:58,120
So where are you going to?

540
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,960
You got to get to know who they are.

541
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:09,800
And then and who knows what kind of prices it cost to find somebody with the same level

542
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,480
of expertise that I'm using in Germany.

543
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,760
Good luck.

544
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,800
I I don't know anybody like I don't.

545
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,960
And they haven't introduced themselves to me either.

546
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:27,200
So you know, until that that happens, you know, or until I hear about something, why

547
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,200
would I change?

548
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,200
There's no point.

549
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,200
So why do I keep going?

550
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:36,520
Well, you keep going because they're raising the bar keeps getting raised every time we

551
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,560
take the last album and bring it to the next level.

552
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,520
What can we do to make it better?

553
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:52,600
And working with the same people in the same team, you the familiarity between your personalities,

554
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,600
it opens a deeper communication.

555
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:03,680
And with deeper communication, you can get even more more exacting work done.

556
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,920
You know, whereas the person might be, you know, where Martin might be originally was

557
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,420
slightly intimidated to tell me to sing something again.

558
00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:13,400
Now he doesn't think twice about it, right?

559
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,560
It's like, let's just fucking sing it again.

560
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,600
Sure, Barton, no problem, man.

561
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:18,600
You know what I mean?

562
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,080
And it's it's it becomes your friend.

563
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,080
You're all friends.

564
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,920
And you've known each other.

565
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,520
You can tell by each other's expression on your face.

566
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,400
You don't even have to use words.

567
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,400
Right.

568
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,520
They're becoming like band members.

569
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:49,560
You know, and I think it's a great, a great, a great working, working a bunch of guys,

570
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:55,640
working within the band, you know, that that each of the guys in the band have the trust

571
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:02,280
in these engineers and producers that when they when, you know, when someone tells Chris

572
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:08,320
to replay or give me a different kind of baseline, he doesn't get angry.

573
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:14,640
You know, and you got somebody that you trust is saying that there's a reason they're saying

574
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:15,720
it.

575
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:21,360
And eventually you have the you you gain the trust.

576
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:27,080
From the from experiencing it, working with them, that they've been right.

577
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,080
So they're probably right again.

578
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,080
Right.

579
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,320
You know what I mean?

580
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:37,520
So that that and and that's those kind of things are.

581
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,520
You know, why did Rush do all those albums with Terry Brown?

582
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,640
I guess the same reasons, right?

583
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:44,640
Yeah.

584
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:51,520
Well, you got lucky and you find the right guy and it's great.

585
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,520
The right guys.

586
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:57,960
I mean, we're we're very, very, very I feel very fortunate.

587
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:06,600
And I have a lot of a lot of gratitude towards Martin and your they're phenomenal, phenomenal

588
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,600
guys, man.

589
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:14,440
You know, and they're when I can't see something and they tell me, I listen because they're

590
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,760
always right.

591
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:25,120
And it's like, oh, you know, like in and picking the song, the lead song for the new album

592
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,000
as an example.

593
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,660
I think.

594
00:38:28,660 --> 00:38:37,280
I think Feed Your Fantasy would have been the last song I would have I would have chosen.

595
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:51,520
But they insisted that it was the most groundbreaking for for the band and stepping a little bit

596
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,560
to the left or the right of what people will expect.

597
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,560
Right.

598
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:02,720
And they were saying that that's going to be a better stepping stone and a better start

599
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:11,080
because you've been doing a lot of you know, you guys have been very consistent.

600
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:17,360
You can say the same, but it's a consistency of heaviness, consistency of types of feels

601
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,680
and and what people grow to expect.

602
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:27,480
And when you hear something new and that's saying you need needed something new, this

603
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,160
is new for you guys.

604
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:35,280
This is new, it might not be new to the world, but it's new for you guys.

605
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,280
And you know what?

606
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,280
You could use it.

607
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,280
Right.

608
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,920
And so people go, what?

609
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:40,920
That's anvil.

610
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:41,920
Perfect.

611
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:42,920
That's what you want.

612
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,920
Yeah.

613
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,600
Because it's only one song on the album.

614
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,640
The rest of the album is all different.

615
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,520
So what the hell?

616
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,400
And then I stopped and thought about it.

617
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,800
I'm going, yeah, and metal on metal is the same thing on that album.

618
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,760
It's the only song completely.

619
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,720
The only song that was like that on that record.

620
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,560
And in fact, the only song that's ever been like that on any of our records.

621
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,520
So it was one of those.

622
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:17,520
And the one that I least expected to do anything.

623
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,360
To me, it was, you know, we talked about this at the beginning.

624
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,160
So no, no, no, no new revelation, no new surprise.

625
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,160
You know what I mean?

626
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,160
Right.

627
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:34,680
And so so when you're going and and and they're going, it's it's obvious you can't hear it.

628
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:35,680
What is the matter with you?

629
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,680
It's come on.

630
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:37,680
It's it's it's different.

631
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,680
You need this.

632
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:39,680
OK, I'll go with it.

633
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:40,680
What the hell?

634
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:54,040
And it's actually made quite an impression in a sense, because, of course, the people

635
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:59,280
that had the expectations of hearing them, you know, a million miles an hour and the

636
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,600
typical anvil me screaming my head off.

637
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,960
All of a sudden, it's not a song like that.

638
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,960
And they're going, oh, no.

639
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:07,960
Yeah.

640
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,440
It's like it's a fucking bubblegum song, man.

641
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,320
OK, it's not like it's not like it turned into bubblegum.

642
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,800
It's just it's just not speed metal.

643
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,400
OK, so.

644
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,280
It was metal on metal.

645
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,280
Hello.

646
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:31,160
Yeah, I think that's so important to have that trust and communication with someone that

647
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:36,120
you see a lot of bands that self produce things.

648
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:41,740
And although a lot of bands think that they know what's what's best for them, sometimes

649
00:41:41,740 --> 00:41:43,440
you need that kick in the ass.

650
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:49,200
Yeah, you all think all these bands think they've got Tom Schultz in the band and they're

651
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,000
going to produce themselves.

652
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,920
It's like, get the fuck out of here.

653
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,160
That's a one in a million guy.

654
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,960
You're not going to do it.

655
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,840
You're not going to do it, man.

656
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,760
First of all, think about what Tom was.

657
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,040
He's a guitar player who owned his own fucking studio.

658
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,000
OK, he's there every day working in that studio.

659
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,000
He knows how to do it.

660
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,800
He knows what he's doing.

661
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,560
If you're just a musician and you're going into into a studio once a year, if you're

662
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,280
lucky, you're going in once a year, what are you doing?

663
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,320
What do you think about it?

664
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:27,280
How much do you really know about what what's going on in a studio and how to use it properly?

665
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,840
And you can't listen.

666
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,240
You can't listen and play at the same time.

667
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:35,840
How do you be in a control room and know when you got a good bed track?

668
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,480
You got to go and going back and forth.

669
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:44,120
Listen, man, I did enough records with an engineer and producing ourselves.

670
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,040
I did enough of it.

671
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:52,000
And you know, everybody in the band becomes a musician and their opinion means more than

672
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,880
the next guy.

673
00:42:54,880 --> 00:43:01,080
And the mixes, the mixes sound like a battle rather than a real mix.

674
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,140
Everybody's battling to be heard.

675
00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:09,920
And sometimes it's ridiculous because sometimes when something's really soft in a mix, it

676
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,960
stands out more than when it's loud.

677
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,880
Right.

678
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,560
And these are the things these are the things that an engineer and a professional who works

679
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,080
in a studio all the time knows the difference.

680
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,040
Most musicians do not.

681
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,120
They deluding themselves into believing that they do that.

682
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,720
You know, you're you're one or two times into the studio.

683
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,200
You're going to do your first and second album.

684
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,200
Now you're a big shot.

685
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,880
You're not a big shot.

686
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:43,240
I've been in the fucking studio 20 times and I would never undertake being a knob twiddler.

687
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:44,880
I ain't going to do it.

688
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,360
I don't want to know where does that plug in?

689
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,160
I don't care.

690
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,160
I'm a musician.

691
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,160
That's what I want to be.

692
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,160
Right.

693
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,400
Let somebody else worry about it.

694
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,880
And I'm going to make sure that whoever is worrying about it is the best guy that I can

695
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,880
find.

696
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,200
And I'm going to make sure that he has a set of ears on him, that he can he can tell when

697
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:11,640
I've hit a sour note or when I hit the right note and and whether it's got the right attitude.

698
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,320
I want to I want somebody who can tell the difference between that, not just whether

699
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,000
it's the right note or wrong note or whether it's in time.

700
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,000
What's the attitude?

701
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,000
Is it right?

702
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,800
Take is it right?

703
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,680
Character in the voice is it?

704
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,880
These are all these are what that's what a producer does.

705
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,320
Yeah, very important.

706
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,760
So so think about it.

707
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,320
You're singing a song and everything can you when you listen to yourself sing, you're hearing

708
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,320
yourself sing.

709
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:50,800
You don't really hear the performance in in context with the music.

710
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,600
You don't because you're you're focusing.

711
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,520
Did I sing all the notes right?

712
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,480
Did I sing?

713
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,720
That's why you can't produce it.

714
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:04,280
You can't listen and can't listen and perform at the same time.

715
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,160
You got there are two different angles.

716
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:14,920
It's like being able to see yourself, see yourself in the mirror versus seeing yourself

717
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,360
in person like right.

718
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,480
Like everybody else like everybody else sees you.

719
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,760
See, that's the thing.

720
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:27,080
Even when we when we when we see ourselves, we never see ourselves like everybody else

721
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,920
does until we watch ourselves on a video.

722
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:30,920
Right.

723
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,720
So fuck my mole is on the wrong side of my face.

724
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:35,720
Right.

725
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:36,720
Right.

726
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:37,720
Oh, yeah.

727
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:42,440
But if you didn't if you didn't have a producer, you'd never know it.

728
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,280
Or if you never saw it on film, you'd never know it.

729
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,280
Yeah.

730
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:53,360
And that's what having a producer, it's like having somebody who's who's giving your reflection

731
00:45:53,360 --> 00:46:02,280
back properly from from the from your perspective on the on the rather than a mirror perspective.

732
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,680
It's really kind of fascinating.

733
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,120
You're asking about how important producers is.

734
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:19,080
You can't you can't even begin to start tallying up the things that become important and contingent

735
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,600
on whether you've got a good producer or not.

736
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,760
Where can people go to pick up one and only and ensure that the most amount of money gets

737
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,000
back into your pockets?

738
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,000
Wow.

739
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,400
In this day and age.

740
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,720
Find someplace to buy the album.

741
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:36,720
OK.

742
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,000
Amazon usually works.

743
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,200
OK, perfect.

744
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,720
I mean, that's what everybody's that's what everybody does these days.

745
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:53,120
I mean, it's not I guess record stores have I guess if you can find a record store.

746
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,120
Yeah.

747
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,120
OK.

748
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,760
They were you going to find it?

749
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:00,760
Look on the Internet.

750
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:01,760
That's where everybody does.

751
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:02,760
Right.

752
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,480
I don't know if I had to find it.

753
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:06,480
Where would I find it?

754
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:14,160
I guess I I Google I Google Anvil one and only and it would probably put tell you where

755
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,920
to buy it.

756
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:21,360
And is there any specific place you want people to go to keep up with the band?

757
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:28,760
Well, I mean, if you haven't seen the movie, it's worth it's definitely a worthy watch.

758
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,280
OK.

759
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,480
It's not a movie about heavy metal.

760
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,240
If that's what you're thinking, that's really not what it is.

761
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:40,360
And that's what you'll probably really love about it.

762
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,360
If you actually watch it.

763
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:48,360
It's a movie about about perseverance and doing what you love and getting away with

764
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,360
it.

765
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:55,120
But that's that's really that's really what it's about, which is pretty pretty much a

766
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,120
human story.

767
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:04,240
You know, so if you can find that it's it's a it's definitely a worthy watch.

768
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:07,400
There's 20 Anvil albums out there.

769
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,400
Buy one.

770
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:16,200
I don't I I can't I'm not going to tell you which one.

771
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,200
You know what I mean?

772
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,200
That's up to you.

773
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,000
Pick the pick the cover you like the most and buy it.

774
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,200
And you're going to have a generally a good a good example of what Anvil is, no matter

775
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,000
what you bought.

776
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,240
OK.

777
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,840
And every album has its own time and place.

778
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:39,480
So it's just a different a slightly a different spin every time.

779
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,480
But they're all Anvil.

780
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:47,560
I mean, you can find that you could say the same thing about ACDC or Motorhead or any

781
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,780
of the other bands that came from the 80s.

782
00:48:50,780 --> 00:48:51,780
That's what we do.

783
00:48:51,780 --> 00:48:52,780
We are what we are.

784
00:48:52,780 --> 00:48:53,780
And we do what we do.

785
00:48:53,780 --> 00:48:54,780
That's it.

786
00:48:54,780 --> 00:48:56,140
Hi, everybody.

787
00:48:56,140 --> 00:49:03,000
You are watching Lips from the band Anvil on signals from Mars.

788
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,000
Awesome.

789
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,600
I appreciate your time.

790
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,840
It was a lot of fun chatting with you.

791
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,920
Nothing but success for you, sir.

792
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,800
Within as we've talked within the success that you're that you're looking for.

793
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,760
I hope that you guys can get the success that they're looking for.

794
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:20,760
Yeah.

795
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:21,760
Yeah.

796
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:22,760
Exactly.

797
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,760
Looking for that ultimate success.

798
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,760
Good luck.

799
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,720
OK, sir.

800
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:32,160
Thank you so much for your time.

801
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,000
OK, take care.

802
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,000
All right.

803
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,000
Bye bye.

804
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,000
Take care.

805
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,000
Bye.

806
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,000
Awesome.

807
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,080
There was my interview with Lips.

808
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:53,120
Lots of fun to talk to him was a lot in 45 minutes was shooting for 20 to 30.

809
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,560
I was able to ask I had 16 points here.

810
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:05,600
I think I asked seven, eight interesting guy was was a really cool chat.

811
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:10,000
Hope you guys enjoyed that as much as I enjoyed speaking to him.

812
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,900
And on that note, we'll end this episode of signals from Mars.

813
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:21,480
This is coming out on June 28th, which is when one and only by Anvil will be coming

814
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:28,480
out on the 29th, the Saturday after this episode airs.

815
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:33,640
They will be at Hellfest, which is a huge festival in Clisson, France.

816
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,400
I'm pronouncing that right.

817
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,320
At least I'm doing a stupid French accent.

818
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,640
Anyway, thank you guys for checking this episode out and we'll see you next time right here

819
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,680
on signals from Mars.

820
00:50:44,680 --> 00:51:11,000
See you folks.