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Welcome one and all to episode 374 of Signals from Mars.

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I'm your host, Victor, and for this episode,

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we welcome back some of my patrons for the hour one format

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where we discuss all types of new, buzzworthy,

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hot button, topic, hard rock, and metal news.

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We'll jump on that next.

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I'm ready.

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Let's do it.

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If you're unfamiliar with the whole hour one premise,

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name honestly came from the fact that I was doing two hour shows

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and the first hour was my patrons and the second hour was

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somebody that I would be interviewing,

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but I haven't done an interview in a while

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and I hope to get back to doing that soon.

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And these are my patrons joining me to discuss either topics

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that I've come up with or they've come up with

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and things that you've read on all the more popular

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hard rock or metal sites, or we'll talk about things

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related to festivals or whatever.

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Just, it's a fun discussion.

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It's almost therapeutic talking to them about music.

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It's a whole lot of fun.

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And if you're so inclined, I mean,

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you can now sign up to Patreon to get a week for free.

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That's on them, not on me.

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If it were up to me, it would be a month for free.

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I do think that if you try it out,

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it'll be something that,

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I mean, if you're into this kind of music banter,

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I think that you'll stick around and check out some

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of the other episodes that we have cooked up

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along the way.

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It also gives you the ability to appear on any of the poll

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shows or countdown shows that we do.

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There'll be a 1987 show shortly.

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It'll be in March because we're just running out of time

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in February, and I don't just wanna have throw it out there

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and just do it like in a week.

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I did that in December and it really did not work well.

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Anyway, so, and if you don't want to be a part of Patreon,

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you could always join us in the chat when it's live.

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Honestly, just go to signalsfrommars.com

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and you can find all the social media platforms

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where you can follow the show, check out the live stream,

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check out the replays, subscribe to the podcast version

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if you're listening to this,

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and pick up March if you're so inclined.

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I know that some people, again,

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aren't into the whole Patreon thing,

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which you can pick up March, you can do a PayPal donation.

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There's a bunch of different things that you can do

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to help support the show.

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One of the things with Patreon is my Victor M. Ruiz podcast

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or the VMR podcast.

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And recently I talked on the show about hearing loss

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and I've been wearing hearing aids for about two weeks now.

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I just turned 50 in October.

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And although the place that I went to, four,

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or one of the many places that I went to,

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I went to several places,

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and said that most people my age are scared

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or for various reasons, for vanity,

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or for hearing people say, oh, you're too old,

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or already you're wearing hearing aids, blah, blah, blah.

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Listen, just mentioning this because the person

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that kind of gave me the kick in the ass

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to check this out was Charlie Benante,

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he was sponsoring or talking about some hearing aid brand

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that isn't available where I am.

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So I've went to a few different places, checked it out.

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My family's happy, I'm pretty happy as well.

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I don't have to struggle to hear people talk.

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It's still an ongoing process to fine tune things.

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But at least it's not one of these situations

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where you're in a loud room and people are talking to you

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and you're saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, yeah, of course.

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And what you're not hearing is that the other person

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on the other side of the conversation is saying,

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okay, so I can pick up that red hot poker

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and stick it in your eye?

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So if nothing else, if I can help people out to say,

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hey, check your shit out, get your hearing looked at

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and don't be scared, do whatever's best for you

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and fuck what anyone else thinks basically.

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So yeah, drop me a line if you wanna talk about it more.

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In any event, let's get on with the show.

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Okay.

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Welcome to the February 16th edition of Signals for Mars.

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I'm your host Victor, and we have a, once again,

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an extravagant group of cavalieres gentlemen

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cavalierish gentlemen from around the world.

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We have Ed Ferguson in Kentucky,

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Metal Dan in California,

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Anthony Mackie in Ireland,

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and we have Brad Doll in Idaho.

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Utah.

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Everyone is doing great tonight.

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I just realized that my hair is not ready for this show,

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so I'm going to put a hat on.

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Yeah, we noticed that.

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I'm going to put a hat on.

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Yeah, here we go.

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What do we think of this?

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Looks good.

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First of all, the logo is stupendous thanks to Mack.

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The logo is brilliant.

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He doesn't take well to me saying thank you a million times to him,

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but I can't thank him enough for all his help making,

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that logo look respectable and cool.

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I just took what was there and tweaked it.

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There you go.

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Quick story about this hat.

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My son was here for almost a week,

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and he was on his way driving home.

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He lives in Utah a couple hours away,

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and he called me about halfway there,

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and he goes, oh, I forgot to say something to you.

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He says, I was in your office,

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and I saw this bucket hat in there,

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the signals from Mars bucket hat.

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He says, man, that thing's fire.

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There you go, guys.

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There you go.

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If you want the bucket hat.

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I told him it's not a bucket hat.

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It's a Brad hat.

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Brad hat.

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There you go.

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Brad is sporting several pieces of merch.

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He's also sporting the-

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I got the Speedo on too.

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You can find that.

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He has a Speedo.

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He has a Speedo on.

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He has panties.

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It signals from Mars in the front,

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and it signals from Uranus in the back.

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Oh, boy.

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There you go.

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But anyway, click on this Mars.com and click on merch.

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You'll find that and a bunch of other cool things as well.

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Joining us is also Sean Richmond in the chat.

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Sean, thanks for joining us.

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Sean has been providing us with some pretty cool videos

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these last few weeks,

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and I did a new walk and talk for the Victor Amaroues podcast,

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which I hopefully will be posting after we record this tonight.

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But I tried some new lapel mics that I picked up,

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and I was mentioning how it's cool to get that type of feedback

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from you guys if there are bands that you guys are checking out

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and enjoy and think that the others might enjoy.

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It's another reason to join us on Patreon,

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and we're sharing a bunch of different bands and tracks that we enjoy,

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as well as some of the other stuff that I've been posting lately.

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So tonight's episode is a return to the Hour 1 format,

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where we're going to be talking about a bunch of cool topics,

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some buzzworthy topics,

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and just some things that have come up over the last few days

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that at least one or two of these topics are things that I'm sure

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either one or multiple of us have been discussing or have come to mind.

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Metal Dan, obviously.

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Metal Dan waits for me to discuss a lot of these things on the Patreon show,

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so we're kind of throwing some new stuff at him here today,

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but his comments are always welcome.

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So first thing that I did want to talk about is ACDC announcing tour dates,

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and they're going to be hitting my neck of the woods in May,

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and as of a few hours ago, they've announced a second date on June 1st.

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But ACDC finally announcing what we've been expecting,

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what, for two years now? Power Up came out two years ago at this point.

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So I guess they're finally going to do some touring here.

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Anthony, you had some interesting comments on Patreon saying that

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you got to see them a few years ago already.

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Oh, I've seen ACDC six times, I think, at this stage.

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So I was in two minds about going this time,

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because they've announced Dublin, you know,

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a very big football stadium, which is where I saw them last time,

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in a different football stadium, and, you know, didn't really enjoy the experience.

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So I was in two minds about going again.

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And the short story is I ended up getting two tickets.

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Not that I suppose I'll tell you the long story.

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Tickets went on sale today, and they sold out in minutes, of course.

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Right. 80,000.

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But on Thursday, a link was circulating the internet,

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which allowed you to get tickets on Thursday.

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And I got this link and I thought, well, might as well try.

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And so I didn't think it would work, but it did work.

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And I was able to get tickets at the price that they were on sale for.

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OK. And the seat that I was offered,

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because I went for a seat because, you know, my health is not what it was usually.

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And the seat that I was offered was very good.

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So I was like, oh, you know, you got this fucking ticket master countdown going in the corner.

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And you're like, oh, Jesus, the pressure.

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Yeah, it's so expensive.

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I still really want to go.

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And I ended up going, fuck it. Yeah.

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It was a good job. I did, because those same tickets are now going for like 400.

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Wow. The dynamic pricing kicked in.

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So, you know, I got one for.

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I don't even want to say how much for, but they're going for many times that now.

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And it's a few months away.

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We'll see, you know. So I'm going anyway.

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Is that the band that you've seen the most over the years, Anthony?

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I don't think so. That would be Merlion probably.

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But I'm.

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Even Kings X seen quite a few times because I've traveled to see them multiple nights in a row.

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Whereas ACDC, I've just seen every time they've been to Ireland since ninety one.

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OK, which is seven times will will be seven times.

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Now, they were here before that, but I was three. Right.

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But it's hard to know what this one's going to be like, really, you know, with.

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Basically, Angus and Brian Angus and Brian. Yeah.

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And realizing that I gave Mike Jones the wrong time.

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And, you know.

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My two my favorite things about ACDC are Malcolm and Phil.

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Right. So I'm seeing neither of them in there.

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It is different without Phil, for sure. Definitely.

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Well, of course, Malcolm. I mean, that.

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Yeah. But last time I saw him alive, I'm saying it's yeah, it's different without.

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Yeah. Yeah. Last time I saw them was was with Stevie.

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And it's different. Like the field is different.

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It is. Yeah. It's kind of like Slayer with that day that doesn't have the same snap to it.

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Yeah. And the same groove. Yeah, that too. Yeah.

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This must have been a recent realization for the band.

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A lot of bands these days put tickets on sale that are like 16 months out before the event happens.

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And if it's happening this year, you know, that's not a long time.

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Sorry, Dan.

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These tickets are on sale, you said, and the event's coming up this year.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Metallica, Maiden, etc.

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I can go on. Those tickets went on sale 16 months ago.

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Yeah. So ACDC must have just figured out, hey, let's do this.

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You know, they're maybe they weren't feeling as well to do it last year.

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And now they're like, well, we better get it in now.

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So that's just that's just that's just thinking.

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Yeah, maybe they're they're feeling good.

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That's what we might feel great in a year's time.

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Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

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I think it probably has a lot to do with just the demand

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because with them playing at Power Trip, I think it made a lot of people

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expect that they would be announcing something right after

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because a lot of those bands did do that.

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Like you mentioned, Dan, Judas Priest announced stuff, Maiden announced stuff

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right after that festival and ACDC didn't.

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They're lucky enough that their last few tours,

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at least in Europe, have all been stadium tours and they've all sold well.

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So I'm gathering the fact that it's a combination of both things.

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And think of this with their last, at least with Power Up, Power Up.

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They announced the single. The album was out like in a month.

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You know, there aren't too many bands that can do that without a big,

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huge, as you're saying, build up to try to sell stuff.

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Even even Metallica did that.

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Metallica released three singles before the album came out.

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ACDC did the one and then the album was out in a few weeks.

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I guess they're just they're gauging that their diehard are going to,

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you know, pull up to the register and buy and whether it's an album,

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whether it's tickets, that's my best guess.

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Oh, yeah, that's true.

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They do not need much lead in time for it.

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They know people are going to buy those tickets.

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So, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it's funny.

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I wanted this third time I saw them was on the stiff upper lip.

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No, it wasn't that it was ball breaker.

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The venue was only half full.

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It was really weird.

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You know, this is the same venue that they they could.

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Few years earlier, a Raze's Edge tour.

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My gosh, it was it was unbelievably packed.

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It was the most exciting gig I was ever at.

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Well, yeah, I saw them on the ball breaker tour as well.

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I don't know.

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I know that a lot of people were down on that album, although I I enjoy that album.

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So I like it.

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Yeah, I think it's pretty solid joining us is Mike Jones as well.

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I messed up the time.

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And for some reason, you said six o'clock and I said, yeah, it's six.

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Sounds good.

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And then as we're talking here, I'm thinking, why isn't he logging in?

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I gave him the wrong time.

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That's why.

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Yeah, I apologize.

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That's okay.

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Yeah.

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The other thing I wanted to bring up, the fact that Chris Cheney has been announced

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as the bass player for the European tour.

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It's possible that as Mike mentioned that Duff McKagan will be their bass player

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for the American tour.

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Now, I'm not sure if G&R is going to be touring at all.

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If they are, I would have a hard time thinking that he would give up that gig to

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play for ACDC because he's going to be making a lot less money playing with ACDC.

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And then he's going to be playing with G&R because I mean, let's face it, they're

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selling that tour based on him and Slash and Axel being together.

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You know, so I don't know.

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The other thing that I brought up that you guys just talked about, I mentioned this

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on the VMR podcast, which I'll post later, is the whole Phil Rudd thing.

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I don't know that, I mean, Matt is now what their fourth official drummer after Phil.

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They went to Simon Wright and Chris Slade and now Matt Lang, I guess his name is, if

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I'm pronouncing that correctly.

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I don't know.

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I mean, a lot of people say, oh, well, you know, it's not that hard to play his parts.

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I don't buy that because Phil has a certain feel to his playing and I think Simon did

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it well.

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I think Chris Slade did it okay.

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But I'm just thinking he's not touring because he may not be legally able to tour because

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let's not forget this this fucker went to jail for what, having a meth lab and trying

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to kill somebody.

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I mean, he ordered, he was trying to order a hit on someone.

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Sounds like a character.

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The videos from power trip, the guy that they're having, whatever his name is, Mutt Lang, he

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was good.

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You know, he was no Phil, but he was pretty good.

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Well, and I'm assuming that he's got some association to the band at this point.

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Well, then again, yes and no, because Chris Cheney, I mean, outside of Jane's addiction

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has been more or less a session player for a lot of different people.

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So I mean, he's going to be a solid player.

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He's not going to, let's put it this way.

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They're not just hiring anybody to fill in the blanks.

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They're getting seasoned professionals that are going to make sure that that, A, they

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know their role within the company and B, do a good job of it.

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I mean, they're obviously not just getting some dude that's covering ACDC at a bar at

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this point.

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I can't imagine Angus knows who Jane's addiction are.

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I don't know.

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That's always, when you hear about stuff like that, it always kind of surprises you.

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There was something that came up the other day where Jimmy Page had shown up to see some

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band in London.

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I saw that, yeah.

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And I don't remember what band it was.

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And it was like a younger band.

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And it was kind of like, how the fuck does he know who this band is?

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Or listening to the Metallica podcast, Bob Rock was saying how he ran into Jimmy Page

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and Jimmy Page telling him that he thought that St. Anger was a brilliant album.

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And you think, wait, how's Jimmy Page listening to St. Anger?

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Stuff like that just kind of throws you for a loop.

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Well, what I mean is I'm sure that they would know him more through his session work than

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through a professional relationship rather than going to the guy in Jane's Addiction.

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Right, right, right.

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Because again, he's like the third or fourth bassist to pass through Jane's Addiction.

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So it's not, yeah.

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So probably when they're most steady guy.

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Outside of Anthony who's already gotten tickets, if they announce US dates, would any of you

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guys venture to go see the band?

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I mean, I absolutely would.

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They're not going to SoFi or Rose Bowl or the Coliseum or wherever they're going to

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stick them.

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Yeah.

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OK.

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I don't know.

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I have a hard time as much as I love ACDC.

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I have kind of a hard time when I watch them and especially Angus in his old age because

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he was so he was such fire, you know, younger running, you know, four miles a show back

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and forth across the stage.

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And now I think he just kind of has to carefully walk around.

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And it's one of those things to where I'd be excited to be there and see it.

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But there's also it just without that energy of what you remember the way it used to be.

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Sometimes I like to just keep it to my records once they get to a certain age.

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Yeah.

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Well, we we've said the same thing about Rob Halford.

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He's kind of boring on stage, too.

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But I guess it depends on the ticket prices.

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I mean, if they're going to charge five hundred dollars to get in.

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No, I'm not going.

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Yeah, the price would make a big difference for me, too.

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If it was, like I said, easy to go.

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No problem.

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But I probably wouldn't pay a lot to go see that being the age that they are.

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I'd probably rather buy a ticket like I did that last kids show.

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I just bought a ticket and watched it here at the house on a big screen TV with my stereo

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and cheap beer in the fridge.

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You know, there you go.

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Brad, what about you?

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Would you go see ACDC?

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Being that I've never seen them, I kind of feel like I should.

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So I'll take a look at the dates and see if any of it makes sense for me.

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And I will I will seriously consider it.

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Would them playing with Duff sweeten the deal for you?

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No, not at all.

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No, if I'm not the bass player, then I don't care who is.

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I'd want that job.

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I would do a really good job.

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I've played plenty of ACDC songs with other bands and I feel like I do I do them justice

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and would be very true to the spirit of the song.

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But enough about me.

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Yeah, I really like to see them.

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And, you know, the beauty of seeing them never seeing them before is unlike Ed, I wouldn't

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be sitting there going, oh, geez, look at him.

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It wouldn't be like when I saw the first kiss reunion and how disappointed I was in that.

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Because mostly because of Peter Chris.

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And he was just awful.

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And Ace was kind of lethargic, too.

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And it was it was very disappointing because I remember what it was like in seventy five

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seventy six seeing them and how just, you know, every piston was firing and everything

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was just right.

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So you know, I think I think for like Anthony has seen them quite a few times and he's going

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to see them again.

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It'll be interesting to hear what he thinks if he if he thinks it was worth it and if

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he loves it and enjoys it and he does, that's awesome.

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I mean, to me, maybe it's all more about the songs than it is the prancing around stage.

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I don't know.

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I think to check out the power trip footage.

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So it's good.

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It's good.

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Is Angus just like a lot more calmer than than he is?

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Is that is that the thing, Ed?

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Yeah, I think he's from what I've seen video wise, he's I don't see him doing any of the

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moves he used to make.

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I mean, and of course, it's not his fault.

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He's getting old.

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You can't help it.

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Yeah, it's just yeah, it's just hard sometimes to watch it happen.

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But I mean, still, it would be awfully cool to be there in a arena in a good spot, you

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know, with the big sound system, listening to those big power chords of those old songs.

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But yeah, what a band I'll really miss.

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I think Angus is aging quite gracefully.

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Yeah, he is.

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Does he still do the mooning?

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I've been wanting to ask him.

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I wonder at what age he quit doing that.

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He probably still does it.

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You know, I thought the power trip stuff, he looked really good and I thought he was

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playing really well and the band sounded good.

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Brian was on point.

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And yeah, I know, I thought it was pretty cool.

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So it's not like you see an abundance really sucking.

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No.

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Yeah.

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OK, another big tour announced that I know is kind of a little left fieldish for the

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usual here on Signals from Mars is Pearl Jam was also announced dates in July here in Spain.

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Any interest in in seeing them?

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I know they're a band that mixes it up quite a bit and plays fairly long shows, even covers

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Van Halen from time to time.

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So anyone interested in seeing Pearl Jam at all?

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I saw them once back on the Versus tour and was so thoroughly underwhelmed at that point.

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Just you know, that I think Eddie Vedder's vocals, you know, because of the way that

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he sort of slurs his words and doesn't really enunciate, it definitely does not come across

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well live for me.

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So I would I wouldn't wouldn't kick down for a ticket on that myself.

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Although that first single is a lot more rocking.

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Very impressive.

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I'll give them that.

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But to me, yeah, they're more of a studio band than a live band.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's that's interesting as well, because Mike McCready has been saying that this is

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going to be a quote unquote heavier, more rocking album.

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And this is a guy that has a UFO cover band and a Kiss cover band.

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And he's always been saying that he wants to bring more guitars back in the Pearl Jam,

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which those first two albums had it.

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But after that, the songwriting started to get channeled through Eddie Vedder and kind

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of went in a different direction.

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So yeah, I don't know for me, it's similar.

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Well, the new date that they announced for ACDC is going to be a Saturday.

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So that makes it a little bit more.

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More feasible.

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But the Pearl Jam dates are in the middle of when I'm going to be busy as shit.

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So I don't think I'll be getting out there.

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But there are a bunch of other good acts that are going to be hitting here.

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The day that we actually set off for the states speak about an eclectic lineup.

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It's going to be Scorpions with Bad Religion, Royal Blood and a bunch of other bands.

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But they're all like mixed within the heavier side of rock, more or less.

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It was kind of a cool mix, but I'll be flying.

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There's a few other tours of note, but yeah, those are the ones that come to mind right

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now.

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Also announced earlier this week is that Ozzy as a solo artist is amongst the nominees for

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this year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

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And the list is Mary J. Blige, Mariah Carey, Cher, Dave Matthews Band, Eric B. and Rakim,

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Turner, Peter Frampton, Jane's Addiction, Cool in the Gang, Lenny Kravitz, Oasis, Sinead

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O'Connor, the aforementioned Ozzy, Sade and A Tribe Called Quest.

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The biggest thing to me out of this whole list is that after two years of having Iron

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Maiden mentioned, or at least being in the running, that they're completely gone from

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this list is the first thing that comes to mind.

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Second, is Ozzy as a solo artist more important than Maiden, more important than Motorhead,

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for example?

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I'm not saying that Ozzy shouldn't be there eventually if we're going to give any credence

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to this thing, but to say that they kind of overstep a lot of these other artists that

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I mentioned to me is kind of a hard pill to swallow, even without getting into some of

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the other acts that are nominated.

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Ed, what do you think out of hard rock and metal bands that could be going in, do you

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think Ozzy as a solo artist deserves to be in there before others?

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I don't know, man.

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I hadn't thought about that until you brought that up just now.

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That's a good point.

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I feel like they're going to probably make it work for Ozzy because it's obvious he's

481
00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:22,020
getting to the end and the media is going to milk the right moments for all the views

482
00:33:22,020 --> 00:33:24,620
and money they can.

483
00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:29,420
So I wouldn't be surprised if it somehow happens.

484
00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:34,020
And I would love for him to… it would be great for him to experience that before something

485
00:33:34,020 --> 00:33:37,700
were to happen to him, to where he couldn't.

486
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:38,700
Right.

487
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:47,620
But no, I don't know if there was anyone that you could say might be that great.

488
00:33:47,620 --> 00:33:51,700
Wouldn't it be him?

489
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:57,500
If any one solo artist could be on that level of greatness, it would probably be him, wouldn't

490
00:33:57,500 --> 00:33:58,500
it?

491
00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:08,380
Yeah, I mean, just out of album sales, yeah, it would be hard to… it would be hard within

492
00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:15,780
this genre because, I mean, do you get into the argument of is Bon Jovi a solo band?

493
00:34:15,780 --> 00:34:17,540
They've sold a ton more than Ozzy.

494
00:34:17,540 --> 00:34:22,980
Is what Bon Jovi has done, is that more important than what Ozzy has done?

495
00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:29,660
Ozzy obviously has sold more than, let's say, Dio from that side of things.

496
00:34:29,660 --> 00:34:37,700
But is this more of Ozzy, the guy that was on the Osbournes, more than Ozzy, the guy

497
00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:41,980
that actually worked with Randy Rhoades?

498
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:47,660
Are we getting nominated for this because of the first album and really nothing else

499
00:34:47,660 --> 00:34:53,540
is going to be mentioned, which is historically kind of how things have gone.

500
00:34:53,540 --> 00:35:00,940
The other thing, because the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to me has always had an underlying…

501
00:35:00,940 --> 00:35:01,940
like something…

502
00:35:01,940 --> 00:35:07,700
they've always been trying to stir shit and get some more attention on them.

503
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:13,420
Is them nominating Ozzy just so that they can be the last people to say, oh, well, we

504
00:35:13,420 --> 00:35:16,660
had Ozzy perform his last show?

505
00:35:16,660 --> 00:35:19,220
That's it right there, I think.

506
00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:25,900
So that could be one of these things, one of the reasons why they're doing it.

507
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:27,620
Dan, what do you think?

508
00:35:27,620 --> 00:35:33,980
Because Ozzy as a solo artist deserves to go in before other hard rock and metal acts.

509
00:35:33,980 --> 00:35:38,420
He deserves to go in before Motorhead, Ozzy over Motorhead.

510
00:35:38,420 --> 00:35:39,900
Maiden doesn't… they don't care.

511
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:42,120
So Ozzy over Maiden.

512
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,540
And I don't think you're going to get Ozzy performing at the show.

513
00:35:45,540 --> 00:35:46,780
He doesn't have to.

514
00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:50,740
So he's going to do those upcoming events, hopefully, in England and he's going to

515
00:35:50,740 --> 00:35:51,820
be done.

516
00:35:51,820 --> 00:35:55,540
He doesn't owe the Hall of Fame any performance.

517
00:35:55,540 --> 00:35:58,620
If they nominate him and put him in, good on them.

518
00:35:58,620 --> 00:35:59,980
They should do that.

519
00:35:59,980 --> 00:36:02,580
He doesn't owe him a performance.

520
00:36:02,580 --> 00:36:03,580
Okay.

521
00:36:03,580 --> 00:36:05,980
Mike, what do you think?

522
00:36:05,980 --> 00:36:06,980
Yeah.

523
00:36:06,980 --> 00:36:15,420
I mean, I don't think he as a solo artist, he kind of made his bones in Sabbath and his

524
00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:17,860
influence comes from Sabbath.

525
00:36:17,860 --> 00:36:22,580
He did have the two Randy Rhoads albums.

526
00:36:22,580 --> 00:36:28,180
But outside of that, I think that's more a Randy Rhoads influence than an Ozzy influence

527
00:36:28,180 --> 00:36:31,380
on the genre as a whole.

528
00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:34,780
So I don't feel like he deserves it over other bands.

529
00:36:34,780 --> 00:36:41,060
I mean, we all know that the Hall of Fame is a joke.

530
00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:43,020
They don't like metal.

531
00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:47,940
They need to change the name to just the music Hall of Fame or the pop music Hall of Fame

532
00:36:47,940 --> 00:36:52,660
or something to better reflect what they're actually doing.

533
00:36:52,660 --> 00:36:54,220
Yeah.

534
00:36:54,220 --> 00:36:58,260
And this, to be honest with you, a few months ago when Sharon started talking about the

535
00:36:58,260 --> 00:37:04,260
fact that Ozzy deserved to go in as a solo artist, I figured that this would be something

536
00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:07,540
that would come up.

537
00:37:07,540 --> 00:37:09,100
And apparently it has.

538
00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:12,500
They've already gotten Randy in there previously.

539
00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:20,860
So I mean, to me, it seems like they've got some type of influence over the Hall.

540
00:37:20,860 --> 00:37:25,660
Anthony, you're in a country that doesn't give a shit about any of this stuff.

541
00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:28,340
And I don't give a shit.

542
00:37:28,340 --> 00:37:32,100
I'm here and I don't give a shit.

543
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:33,100
It just means nothing.

544
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:37,500
I've got nothing to add to this conversation.

545
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:43,300
Brad, your thoughts?

546
00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:50,940
Well, I mean, obviously Ozzy hasn't contributed enough to the world of rock and roll as let's

547
00:37:50,940 --> 00:37:56,300
say Mary J. Blige, Ryan Carey, Cher.

548
00:37:56,300 --> 00:38:01,860
I mean, really, these other people are much more deserving to represent rock and roll

549
00:38:01,860 --> 00:38:02,860
than Ozzy.

550
00:38:02,860 --> 00:38:03,860
Good answer.

551
00:38:03,860 --> 00:38:04,860
Good answer.

552
00:38:04,860 --> 00:38:05,860
Oh, oh.

553
00:38:05,860 --> 00:38:08,580
When does Kansas get in?

554
00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:18,540
I'm going to be part of the grassroots effort to get Kansas in the rock and roll hall of

555
00:38:18,540 --> 00:38:19,540
fame.

556
00:38:19,540 --> 00:38:25,100
Well, I hear that Mary J. Blige, Cher and Mariah Carey are going to be recording an

557
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:29,020
album of Kansas covers.

558
00:38:29,020 --> 00:38:30,020
Who could blame them?

559
00:38:30,020 --> 00:38:35,460
Here's the funny thing, Victor, is that, and I don't know how this is happening, that Kansas

560
00:38:35,460 --> 00:38:37,420
keeps coming up on my YouTube feed.

561
00:38:37,420 --> 00:38:41,620
Are they listening to this show?

562
00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:43,100
You've been talking about them.

563
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:50,220
So it's obvious that they're the most important rock band, American rock band.

564
00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:52,420
It's all your browser searches.

565
00:38:52,420 --> 00:38:54,020
You can't let it go.

566
00:38:54,020 --> 00:38:57,660
So the cookie's in there and it's what you're really looking at.

567
00:38:57,660 --> 00:38:58,660
It's okay.

568
00:38:58,660 --> 00:39:00,940
You can come out and admit it with us.

569
00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:10,780
So I think Kansas needs to do like a combination thing with Eric B and Rakim.

570
00:39:10,780 --> 00:39:14,300
I think that would be just magic and fire the whole thing.

571
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:16,220
There you go.

572
00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:20,860
They can back Eric B and Rakim up on It Takes Two.

573
00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:21,860
Yeah.

574
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:24,540
Wait, is that one of their songs?

575
00:39:24,540 --> 00:39:25,540
It is.

576
00:39:25,540 --> 00:39:28,780
It is their biggest song.

577
00:39:28,780 --> 00:39:29,940
Would I know it if I heard it?

578
00:39:29,940 --> 00:39:31,900
That's the real question.

579
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:34,380
That was the game we played during the Super Bowl.

580
00:39:34,380 --> 00:39:39,420
It's like, okay, whoever hears a song that they've heard before gets a prize.

581
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:41,420
And it didn't happen until the last song.

582
00:39:41,420 --> 00:39:43,780
It was like, hey, we've all heard that song.

583
00:39:43,780 --> 00:39:45,860
We don't know what it is.

584
00:39:45,860 --> 00:39:53,860
I would gather to say that at Chavez Ravine, you've heard It Takes Two.

585
00:39:53,860 --> 00:39:54,860
Really?

586
00:39:54,860 --> 00:39:55,860
Okay.

587
00:39:55,860 --> 00:39:58,300
I'll see if Nathan's heard of this.

588
00:39:58,300 --> 00:39:59,540
Enough about those guys though.

589
00:39:59,540 --> 00:40:03,580
I'm sure they're magic and brilliant and the whole thing.

590
00:40:03,580 --> 00:40:08,980
They've moved the whole genre of rock and roll forward.

591
00:40:08,980 --> 00:40:09,980
Metal dance.

592
00:40:09,980 --> 00:40:13,180
I think Ozzy should.

593
00:40:13,180 --> 00:40:15,220
Yeah.

594
00:40:15,220 --> 00:40:21,020
In our world, Ozzy is huge and he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

595
00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:22,020
Metal dance.

596
00:40:22,020 --> 00:40:23,140
So let me ask you this.

597
00:40:23,140 --> 00:40:27,220
You were saying who before who after Ozzy.

598
00:40:27,220 --> 00:40:29,100
Let me ask you this then.

599
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:33,660
Does Ozzy deserve to be in there before Motley Crue?

600
00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:35,700
Yes, indeed.

601
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:36,700
Okay.

602
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:40,740
You know, you know, I was speaking at the Super Bowl that we're not allowed to say that

603
00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:44,260
word or I'm going to get fined.

604
00:40:44,260 --> 00:40:48,620
I was surprised that when they did the intro for the Niners, they played Metallica for

605
00:40:48,620 --> 00:40:49,620
whom the bell tolls.

606
00:40:49,620 --> 00:40:51,420
I was like, fuck yeah.

607
00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:56,060
We have come a long way people.

608
00:40:56,060 --> 00:41:00,900
That's the only way Metallica will ever be involved in the Super Bowl, unfortunately,

609
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:08,020
because even though they play the shit out of their music during every like sporting

610
00:41:08,020 --> 00:41:10,460
event in North America.

611
00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:12,500
Yeah.

612
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:18,820
The people behind the Super Bowl are still too stupid to understand their pull and their

613
00:41:18,820 --> 00:41:22,540
popularity in that.

614
00:41:22,540 --> 00:41:27,460
I'll bring this up in a second because there's another topic that I didn't mention that I

615
00:41:27,460 --> 00:41:32,620
wanted to bring up that I saw a known musician post about.

616
00:41:32,620 --> 00:41:40,500
So anyway, so real quickly here, you said that Ozzy over Motley Crue.

617
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:41,900
So, okay.

618
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:43,380
What about Slayer?

619
00:41:43,380 --> 00:41:44,540
Absolutely.

620
00:41:44,540 --> 00:41:46,780
Ozzy is should be respected.

621
00:41:46,780 --> 00:41:50,940
He's a mainstream musician deserves all the accolades he gets.

622
00:41:50,940 --> 00:41:51,940
He is a God.

623
00:41:51,940 --> 00:41:52,940
Ozzy is the best.

624
00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:56,300
So Ozzy is a solo artist and all that.

625
00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:57,300
Absolutely.

626
00:41:57,300 --> 00:41:59,300
He's the best.

627
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:00,980
Okay.

628
00:42:00,980 --> 00:42:01,980
There we go.

629
00:42:01,980 --> 00:42:02,980
All right.

630
00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:09,420
So the other thing that I wanted to mention was that Rick Fox, who has played in Wasp,

631
00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:17,060
played in Steeler and a few other bands made a post today on Facebook, which was an old

632
00:42:17,060 --> 00:42:24,460
post of Jakey Lee saying how Ozzy wanted to make sure that everyone that played with him

633
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:29,460
had a certain look about them and that they couldn't look like someone who was in the

634
00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:31,220
crowd.

635
00:42:31,220 --> 00:42:38,940
And I think I was smart enough to not respond to the post because the first thing that came

636
00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:45,180
up to me instantly, the first thing that came to mind because what Rick had said was that

637
00:42:45,180 --> 00:42:50,780
something to the effect of, well, you can't just have a bunch of people on stage in jeans

638
00:42:50,780 --> 00:42:51,780
and t-shirts.

639
00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:55,260
Judas Priest don't go up there with jeans and t-shirts.

640
00:42:55,260 --> 00:43:01,640
And my first thought was, well, if Jake had remembered, there was this band called Metallica

641
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:06,160
that opened up on a tour for Ozzy.

642
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:13,900
And I think they did pretty well for themselves going up there and playing in jeans and t-shirts

643
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:19,180
pretty much for their entire career.

644
00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:24,060
I think it has more to do with the music than it actually has to do with the image because

645
00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:31,140
if it was really about that, then Ozzy wouldn't have taken the ultimate sin out of circulation

646
00:43:31,140 --> 00:43:37,980
because he was wearing Mrs. Roper's moomoo's on stage for that tour.

647
00:43:37,980 --> 00:43:45,020
So again, I don't buy this whole argument that, oh, you know, I grew up in an era where

648
00:43:45,020 --> 00:43:51,100
you had to look like Bowie or you had to look like Kiss or you had to look like, yeah, I

649
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:58,340
think there are a few bands that made it work without having to look extravagant on stage.

650
00:43:58,340 --> 00:44:03,540
And that's not to say that Metallica didn't have cool stage settings because we knew on

651
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:07,500
Master of Puppets, they had the crosses, they had other shit going on.

652
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:12,980
But I think the music is what ultimately connected with their fan base.

653
00:44:12,980 --> 00:44:19,380
So I don't buy the whole thing that, oh, you know, the artists have to look like otherworldly.

654
00:44:19,380 --> 00:44:22,780
They can't look like people that are in the crowd.

655
00:44:22,780 --> 00:44:28,940
If your music sucks, you're not connecting with anybody regardless of what you look like.

656
00:44:28,940 --> 00:44:36,080
And I can mention a ton of bands that were all about the image that couldn't do it.

657
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:46,140
So I know that this drives Anthony nuts when we talk about Kiss.

658
00:44:46,140 --> 00:44:56,060
But is there any band at all that comes to mind where the image instantly grabs you and

659
00:44:56,060 --> 00:45:01,540
that's what made you get into their music first?

660
00:45:01,540 --> 00:45:09,180
I'm going to say Maiden and when I say the image, I don't mean to say wear some pretty

661
00:45:09,180 --> 00:45:15,380
awful clothes, but you know, the cover is Eddie.

662
00:45:15,380 --> 00:45:18,860
Eddie is what got a lot of people into Maiden.

663
00:45:18,860 --> 00:45:23,700
So you could say that, but that's not really what you mean.

664
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:24,700
Right.

665
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:29,060
But I mean, even to your point, because a lot of people bring up the fact, even if we

666
00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:36,360
go the other way, where if we want to talk about what the thrash bands were wearing,

667
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:42,220
a lot of people don't admit to the fact that Maiden was wearing spandex for a really long

668
00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:43,940
time on stage.

669
00:45:43,940 --> 00:45:51,860
A lot of people won't cop to the fact that there were a few guys in thrash bands wearing

670
00:45:51,860 --> 00:45:53,740
spandex on stage.

671
00:45:53,740 --> 00:45:58,220
Lars Ulrich, Tom Hunting, Dave Lombardo.

672
00:45:58,220 --> 00:46:05,220
It was fucking easier for them to play in spandex for they were sweating their nuts

673
00:46:05,220 --> 00:46:06,220
off.

674
00:46:06,220 --> 00:46:10,860
So it made more sense for them to wear that than it was for them as drummers to wear jeans

675
00:46:10,860 --> 00:46:11,860
on stage.

676
00:46:11,860 --> 00:46:18,460
So I mean, I think that on both sides of the argument, people get too hung up on the image

677
00:46:18,460 --> 00:46:19,460
thing.

678
00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:28,780
I kind of lost track of the initial post, was it that this guy said that you couldn't

679
00:46:28,780 --> 00:46:35,620
play in Ozzy's band or you couldn't play on stage in general?

680
00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:42,500
It was the Jakey Lee quote came from the fact that you couldn't play in Ozzy's band.

681
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:48,680
But then Rick took it further with saying that to get on stage, you needed to look like

682
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:49,680
a rock star.

683
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,680
Yeah, that's bullshit.

684
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:58,100
Mike, what do you think about this subject?

685
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:05,180
Yeah, I mean, there are definitely bands that the image goes hand in hand with the music

686
00:47:05,180 --> 00:47:09,860
and it helps, I think, from a marketing standpoint to draw you in.

687
00:47:09,860 --> 00:47:15,540
But I've seen plenty of bands live that just came out in jeans and t-shirts, shorts, what

688
00:47:15,540 --> 00:47:22,300
have you, and completely melted my face, as well as bands that were fully decked out

689
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:24,980
with elaborate stage shows.

690
00:47:24,980 --> 00:47:33,660
You're King Diamond, Merciful Fate, Alice Cooper, over the top, shock rock type bands.

691
00:47:33,660 --> 00:47:36,300
The image is important to them.

692
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:40,920
But I can listen to the music all day too and not need the visuals.

693
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,140
So I think that the music is really the most important part of it.

694
00:47:45,140 --> 00:47:46,140
Yeah, okay.

695
00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:49,620
Dan, how about you?

696
00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:54,780
When you're young and influential, yeah, the image can grab you and make you a fan.

697
00:47:54,780 --> 00:47:59,980
You know, thinking of myself as 20 years old, probably seeing Britney Foxx and going, oh,

698
00:47:59,980 --> 00:48:01,900
wow, or I don't know who else.

699
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:05,260
Maybe seeing Slayer and going, oh, those guys look something, so I'm going to check them

700
00:48:05,260 --> 00:48:06,260
out.

701
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:07,260
So that could be better at an older age.

702
00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:08,260
No.

703
00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:10,260
So to answer your question.

704
00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:13,660
Okay, Ed?

705
00:48:13,660 --> 00:48:20,940
I think that imagery can be a nice enhancement to the whole package of what you're trying

706
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:23,700
to present, like especially in a concert.

707
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:29,580
But it can also kind of pigeonhole you.

708
00:48:29,580 --> 00:48:35,540
If you come out, if you're playing in the jeans and t-shirts, you kind of are, you look

709
00:48:35,540 --> 00:48:43,680
like you could be playing many genres of rock music and your image would fit.

710
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,700
If you're a new wave band, it would look weird if you came out and started playing death

711
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:48,700
metal.

712
00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:49,980
It'd be kind of cool to see it too.

713
00:48:49,980 --> 00:48:56,260
It's fun to see the clashes, you know, styles, but you know what I mean.

714
00:48:56,260 --> 00:49:02,900
So I'm all for imagery, but imagery also can make me laugh at you pretty hard, you know,

715
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:06,260
which was something that happened a lot in the 80s.

716
00:49:06,260 --> 00:49:15,300
But that also has to do a lot with just fashion and times, you know, the things we like coming

717
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:20,500
and going and it all happened so fast that something's really cool one minute and then

718
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,140
the next minute you're laughing about it.

719
00:49:23,140 --> 00:49:32,580
Yeah, you know, I like Steve Harris's was a blue and white spandex.

720
00:49:32,580 --> 00:49:36,220
I wore spandex on stage when I was playing and now I look back and think that was pretty

721
00:49:36,220 --> 00:49:37,220
stupid.

722
00:49:37,220 --> 00:49:39,780
I did it.

723
00:49:39,780 --> 00:49:43,700
But maybe even though they had the spandex, they still had the metal look, you know, they

724
00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:47,100
were wearing the leather and everything along with it.

725
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:53,060
Later on though, those bands, hard rock bands, they made themselves look more girly, I guess,

726
00:49:53,060 --> 00:49:58,980
you know, it was just like who could look more and more like that to the point where

727
00:49:58,980 --> 00:49:59,980
it just became silly.

728
00:49:59,980 --> 00:50:02,780
It was like who could have the biggest hair?

729
00:50:02,780 --> 00:50:05,540
It's weird.

730
00:50:05,540 --> 00:50:07,380
Who could have the biggest wig?

731
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:10,580
Yeah, yeah, the biggest ego.

732
00:50:10,580 --> 00:50:18,540
Yeah, I wore spandex, but then I just used a t-shirt or a thin thing, you know, so I

733
00:50:18,540 --> 00:50:20,020
wasn't totally glammed out.

734
00:50:20,020 --> 00:50:22,220
You have a picture of that metal band?

735
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:24,180
Yeah, I don't want to share that.

736
00:50:24,180 --> 00:50:28,020
I'd love to see that.

737
00:50:28,020 --> 00:50:30,180
I really want to see that.

738
00:50:30,180 --> 00:50:31,180
Me too.

739
00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:34,860
I'm not going to forget.

740
00:50:34,860 --> 00:50:36,860
Get back to you on that.

741
00:50:36,860 --> 00:50:40,100
Brad, what do you think?

742
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:46,140
Have you ever worried about your image when you get up and play on stage?

743
00:50:46,140 --> 00:50:49,220
Actually, well, no.

744
00:50:49,220 --> 00:50:55,060
Yeah, I feel like you should look like you didn't just get off work at Radio Shack.

745
00:50:55,060 --> 00:50:56,060
Okay.

746
00:50:56,060 --> 00:50:59,940
Because I've seen bands like that where they walk out and even if they are kind of good,

747
00:50:59,940 --> 00:51:05,420
you're still like, geez, guys, at least throw some kind of effort in there to look cool.

748
00:51:05,420 --> 00:51:07,540
Some guys are just cool no matter what.

749
00:51:07,540 --> 00:51:11,180
But a lot of these guys aren't cool and they look uncool.

750
00:51:11,180 --> 00:51:13,380
But it's like, yeah, the song's pretty good.

751
00:51:13,380 --> 00:51:15,660
But usually they're not killing it.

752
00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:20,180
I can't think of, I'm trying to think of somebody that, oh, actually, I can't think of one band

753
00:51:20,180 --> 00:51:21,780
that I saw when they walked on stage.

754
00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:23,500
It was like, what the hell is this?

755
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:29,420
It was Bebop Deluxe, 1976 warming up for Blue Easter Colt.

756
00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:35,580
And back then it was the era of where you had the big coming on stage music and lights

757
00:51:35,580 --> 00:51:39,380
out and then everything would boom and the lights would go on and you'd be playing your

758
00:51:39,380 --> 00:51:40,380
song.

759
00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:45,820
These guys walked out with the lights on and said, yeah, we need to tune up.

760
00:51:45,820 --> 00:51:47,500
So bear with us for just a moment.

761
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:50,500
And so they all stood there and tuned up and then they just killed it.

762
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:51,500
They just slayed.

763
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:57,620
And these really cheap polyester suits, if you look at the modern music album on the

764
00:51:57,620 --> 00:52:00,940
back, you can see that, I mean, that was what they were going for.

765
00:52:00,940 --> 00:52:04,180
So they're all wearing the same really bad polyester suits.

766
00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:09,340
They look like crap, but they killed it and made a fan out of me.

767
00:52:09,340 --> 00:52:12,060
So yeah, it's not everything.

768
00:52:12,060 --> 00:52:14,860
But I don't know.

769
00:52:14,860 --> 00:52:23,300
I try to not look like I just got a Fork It Radio Shack when I play.

770
00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:26,660
I don't get too dolled up though.

771
00:52:26,660 --> 00:52:33,260
That just makes you look like you're part of a new wave band.

772
00:52:33,260 --> 00:52:34,700
I've done that kind of.

773
00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:35,700
Yeah.

774
00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:37,820
I've worn my band in the 80s.

775
00:52:37,820 --> 00:52:44,220
I mean, we used to shop women's clothes because the dude's clothes just weren't colorful

776
00:52:44,220 --> 00:52:46,420
enough, weren't hip enough.

777
00:52:46,420 --> 00:52:49,420
No, the shoulder didn't have the shoulder pads.

778
00:52:49,420 --> 00:52:55,740
And yeah, I wish I had.

779
00:52:55,740 --> 00:52:57,340
Why are there no pictures of this stuff?

780
00:52:57,340 --> 00:53:00,740
We had to actually look pretty cool.

781
00:53:00,740 --> 00:53:05,460
And yeah, if I had a picture I'd share, I'll look around.

782
00:53:05,460 --> 00:53:08,060
I've got pictures of me from the 70s.

783
00:53:08,060 --> 00:53:12,460
And my problem there is I always wanted black pants, but they didn't make black pants for

784
00:53:12,460 --> 00:53:14,860
men in the mid 70s.

785
00:53:14,860 --> 00:53:18,660
So all I could get is dark blue corduroys, which can you imagine?

786
00:53:18,660 --> 00:53:19,660
That was cool.

787
00:53:19,660 --> 00:53:22,300
And a black t-shirt.

788
00:53:22,300 --> 00:53:27,220
So black and blue, which I was like, why can't I get black pants?

789
00:53:27,220 --> 00:53:28,220
That's what I was going for.

790
00:53:28,220 --> 00:53:29,220
I was going for all black.

791
00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:32,860
And then I kind of morphed into the red and the black.

792
00:53:32,860 --> 00:53:35,300
Yeah, those were the days.

793
00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:39,300
But I can pop up stuff from the 70s.

794
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:40,300
Yeah.

795
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:41,300
All right.

796
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:48,500
So next topic here is Super 7 is releasing a new set of figures.

797
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:50,860
Motley Crue from the Shout at the Devil era.

798
00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:57,580
And now all this talk about the different wardrobes that everyone had at one point in

799
00:53:57,580 --> 00:53:59,020
time or another.

800
00:53:59,020 --> 00:54:04,180
I think I'm going to have to reach out to Super 7 and see if we can make signals from

801
00:54:04,180 --> 00:54:07,300
Mars patrons figures.

802
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:12,860
We can have Dan in spandex shorts and t-shirt.

803
00:54:12,860 --> 00:54:16,340
We have Brad and his shoulder pads.

804
00:54:16,340 --> 00:54:24,620
You know, we could see if that would sell.

805
00:54:24,620 --> 00:54:29,560
I don't know if any of you guys are fans of what Super 7 has been doing over the years

806
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,500
with some of these figures that they've been releasing.

807
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:35,420
Oh, you've got a few.

808
00:54:35,420 --> 00:54:36,420
Oh, cool.

809
00:54:36,420 --> 00:54:37,420
Yeah.

810
00:54:37,420 --> 00:54:49,020
I mean, for me, I think it is kind of neat that they've released stuff that isn't overly

811
00:54:49,020 --> 00:54:52,340
popular or not overly popular.

812
00:54:52,340 --> 00:54:57,380
But some of the Rob Halford stuff or some of the stuff has been kind of cool.

813
00:54:57,380 --> 00:55:01,180
Oh, you guys are okay.

814
00:55:01,180 --> 00:55:03,380
There's a big meat bone.

815
00:55:03,380 --> 00:55:06,340
Wait, was that Dora?

816
00:55:06,340 --> 00:55:09,980
Mr. Rob Halford.

817
00:55:09,980 --> 00:55:12,980
Rob Halford.

818
00:55:12,980 --> 00:55:18,700
Have they got the Carrie Livgren one?

819
00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:19,700
King Diamond.

820
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:20,700
King Diamond.

821
00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:21,700
Okay.

822
00:55:21,700 --> 00:55:22,700
Okay.

823
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:23,700
And King Edward.

824
00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:24,700
There you go.

825
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:25,700
Somewhere in time, Eddie.

826
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:26,700
That's pretty cool.

827
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:27,700
I have the NECA stuff.

828
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:28,700
That's very close.

829
00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:36,620
The NECA maiden figures.

830
00:55:36,620 --> 00:55:39,620
Okay.

831
00:55:39,620 --> 00:55:44,460
Those are cool.

832
00:55:44,460 --> 00:55:47,460
Nice.

833
00:55:47,460 --> 00:55:48,460
That's pretty neat.

834
00:55:48,460 --> 00:55:49,460
Yeah.

835
00:55:49,460 --> 00:55:55,100
And they actually just announced the Cliff Burton, which looks pretty neat.

836
00:55:55,100 --> 00:56:02,900
There's some of the Super 7 figures look pretty spot on with the original.

837
00:56:02,900 --> 00:56:09,420
And there are others that seem like they're almost like a knockoff.

838
00:56:09,420 --> 00:56:23,060
Brad and his Godzilla Mothra and Japanese monster figures.

839
00:56:23,060 --> 00:56:28,060
It's interesting because for a lot of bands, this type of stuff is almost like taboo for

840
00:56:28,060 --> 00:56:29,860
such a long time.

841
00:56:29,860 --> 00:56:35,700
And for some of them, it just seems like now the opportunity of a company coming along

842
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:41,300
and wanting to do this stuff with them is kind of propelled other bands to do it.

843
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:45,940
Like you're seeing with the NECA stuff or even the knuckle bone stuff where they have

844
00:56:45,940 --> 00:56:54,660
some pretty expensive shit with Slayer figures or Ozzy and Slash and stuff like that, which

845
00:56:54,660 --> 00:57:00,060
with them with knuckle bones, it's $200 a figure.

846
00:57:00,060 --> 00:57:06,660
So it's not exactly cheap, but the details is pretty cool.

847
00:57:06,660 --> 00:57:08,760
It's obviously just for diehards.

848
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:15,520
This isn't stuff that you can, I mean, for as much as a band like Kiss has received shit

849
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,140
for a lot of their merch.

850
00:57:17,140 --> 00:57:22,180
I think at this stage of the game, all of these figures that are being released are

851
00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:23,180
for diehards.

852
00:57:23,180 --> 00:57:27,020
They aren't being made specifically for kids, let's say.

853
00:57:27,020 --> 00:57:29,940
So because a lot of the stuff isn't cheap.

854
00:57:29,940 --> 00:57:34,860
But Ed, are you fine with bands releasing this kind of stuff?

855
00:57:34,860 --> 00:57:38,580
Yeah, I think it's cool.

856
00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:39,580
OK.

857
00:57:39,580 --> 00:57:45,980
Dan, you've actually got the Eddie you just showed us, so you're down for the cause.

858
00:57:45,980 --> 00:57:47,980
Yeah, absolutely.

859
00:57:47,980 --> 00:57:49,100
I have no problem with that.

860
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:53,320
I just don't understand how people can worship a political figure and do the same thing.

861
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,340
So for that, it is normal for me.

862
00:57:57,340 --> 00:58:01,260
It's not like back in the day to play with anything like that, but there's this little

863
00:58:01,260 --> 00:58:03,060
knickknack shit to have around.

864
00:58:03,060 --> 00:58:05,780
Then once you start, then you kind of have to finish it.

865
00:58:05,780 --> 00:58:10,220
Yeah, then when you get into that two hundred dollar range, that's too much.

866
00:58:10,220 --> 00:58:11,540
And I don't.

867
00:58:11,540 --> 00:58:16,940
So it's kept within a premium of don't price me out and I'll buy it.

868
00:58:16,940 --> 00:58:18,060
Yeah, yeah.

869
00:58:18,060 --> 00:58:21,300
I've got a bunch of fun because behind me mostly Maiden.

870
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:22,780
There's an Eddie Van Halen.

871
00:58:22,780 --> 00:58:28,620
There's a few other like movie characters and stuff like that.

872
00:58:28,620 --> 00:58:29,620
It's similar.

873
00:58:29,620 --> 00:58:34,780
I mean, if any of this stuff is overly expensive, I don't bother checking it out.

874
00:58:34,780 --> 00:58:39,620
On some of the Super 7 stuff I wanted to pick up, I wanted to get the original Cliff Burton

875
00:58:39,620 --> 00:58:41,860
there released, which was pretty cool looking.

876
00:58:41,860 --> 00:58:47,340
But the figure cost a lot and the shipping was like twice as much as what the figure

877
00:58:47,340 --> 00:58:48,340
was.

878
00:58:48,340 --> 00:58:50,340
So I missed out.

879
00:58:50,340 --> 00:58:54,180
Anthony, what do you think about this type of merch?

880
00:58:54,180 --> 00:58:55,460
I think it's fine.

881
00:58:55,460 --> 00:59:00,140
I mean, I wouldn't buy it.

882
00:59:00,140 --> 00:59:05,860
But you know, I say that and you know, people say that and then suddenly they've released

883
00:59:05,860 --> 00:59:09,940
something that you like and you're like, oh, maybe I maybe I do want these things.

884
00:59:09,940 --> 00:59:15,380
You know, yeah, like I'm just looking at some of those ones that Mike had a pretty cool,

885
00:59:15,380 --> 00:59:16,380
you know?

886
00:59:16,380 --> 00:59:17,380
Yeah.

887
00:59:17,380 --> 00:59:20,140
And I wouldn't get one next thing.

888
00:59:20,140 --> 00:59:26,940
They released one of Doug Pinick in back in the peak Doug Pinick with his Mohawk.

889
00:59:26,940 --> 00:59:29,260
I'm like, oh my God, I want that.

890
00:59:29,260 --> 00:59:36,780
So that that or, you know, Funko is based on the first few Marillion albums.

891
00:59:36,780 --> 00:59:39,820
Well, Funko is funny pushing a bit.

892
00:59:39,820 --> 00:59:53,100
But you know, I'd rather see bands doing little kind of fairly faithful models than whiskey

893
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:55,740
or beer, you know, which I think is a bit tacky.

894
00:59:55,740 --> 01:00:02,180
I'd like to have one of Lemmy that I would put up there on my bourbon shelf.

895
01:00:02,180 --> 01:00:03,180
That would be cool.

896
01:00:03,180 --> 01:00:07,700
A Lemmy what drink or a no, a figurine like that.

897
01:00:07,700 --> 01:00:12,980
Yeah, there's there are super seven Lemmy's and is there I'm going to have to buy one

898
01:00:12,980 --> 01:00:13,980
of those.

899
01:00:13,980 --> 01:00:16,700
And then I need to find the Jack.

900
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:20,000
I need to find the Jack Daniels Lemmy whiskey.

901
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,460
And then that figurine is going to make me spend money.

902
01:00:23,460 --> 01:00:25,900
That's cool.

903
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:26,900
Oh, look at that.

904
01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:28,340
It's a super slow man.

905
01:00:28,340 --> 01:00:30,780
You get you start buying them.

906
01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:31,780
That's the problem.

907
01:00:31,780 --> 01:00:33,780
That's one problem with doing that.

908
01:00:33,780 --> 01:00:34,780
That's right.

909
01:00:34,780 --> 01:00:37,780
It's hard to stop.

910
01:00:37,780 --> 01:00:40,260
Exactly.

911
01:00:40,260 --> 01:00:45,620
You have to make sure that you go into it and know that you've got a limit because yeah,

912
01:00:45,620 --> 01:00:46,620
that is your limits.

913
01:00:46,620 --> 01:00:48,620
You know, you're like gambling.

914
01:00:48,620 --> 01:00:55,980
Because I have right next to that, I have it's the first four Maiden covers in one box.

915
01:00:55,980 --> 01:00:59,420
And then, of course, they released seven son on its own and they released somewhere in

916
01:00:59,420 --> 01:01:00,420
time.

917
01:01:00,420 --> 01:01:02,140
So I had to get those as well.

918
01:01:02,140 --> 01:01:05,700
Thankfully, the rest that they released kind of didn't interest me.

919
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:07,900
So I was able to stop with the Maiden ones.

920
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:12,480
But the Eddie Van Halen came out and I'm like, oh, wow, I got to get the Eddie Van Halen.

921
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:19,100
And now they've got one with him with the shark guitar, which is a limited edition.

922
01:01:19,100 --> 01:01:23,020
And because it was ridiculously expensive, I didn't pick it up.

923
01:01:23,020 --> 01:01:26,380
But if not, that would have been up there as well.

924
01:01:26,380 --> 01:01:37,980
So this week I got a spinal tap set from my friend I told you about that died last month.

925
01:01:37,980 --> 01:01:41,500
I went to his house and was starting to collect his stuff.

926
01:01:41,500 --> 01:01:44,620
You know, his family wants me to get his stuff out of there.

927
01:01:44,620 --> 01:01:49,860
And he's got, of course, his are much taller.

928
01:01:49,860 --> 01:01:51,700
And they're a little bit beat up.

929
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:53,700
But that'd be kind of fun to clean up.

930
01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:55,540
I'll show you here next time we meet.

931
01:01:55,540 --> 01:01:58,260
I'll pop them out.

932
01:01:58,260 --> 01:02:05,140
And I think a dime bag, maybe one small dime bag that I'm going to have to bring home to.

933
01:02:05,140 --> 01:02:08,340
That'd be cool.

934
01:02:08,340 --> 01:02:17,020
The dime bag may actually be the knuckle bones that I mentioned, which are on the pricier

935
01:02:17,020 --> 01:02:18,020
side.

936
01:02:18,020 --> 01:02:22,020
I'll be able to show some of his stuff to you guys throughout the year.

937
01:02:22,020 --> 01:02:24,380
He's had some cool things in his collection.

938
01:02:24,380 --> 01:02:25,380
Cool.

939
01:02:25,380 --> 01:02:28,740
I'm down for that.

940
01:02:28,740 --> 01:02:36,060
Last topic here of the night and kind of ties into the Motley Crue figure thing, which surprisingly

941
01:02:36,060 --> 01:02:38,580
they're releasing this with Mick Mars.

942
01:02:38,580 --> 01:02:39,580
Yeah.

943
01:02:39,580 --> 01:02:44,780
So, yeah, so obviously, I mean, you got to go with the shout out to devil.

944
01:02:44,780 --> 01:02:48,140
You have to go with one of the first few iconic albums.

945
01:02:48,140 --> 01:02:52,180
And that one obviously had a specific look about them.

946
01:02:52,180 --> 01:02:55,460
Obviously, Mick is getting his cut.

947
01:02:55,460 --> 01:03:01,740
But so soon after litigation and everything else, just interesting to see that that was,

948
01:03:01,740 --> 01:03:07,220
I'm assuming, in the works for a long time.

949
01:03:07,220 --> 01:03:13,260
The last topic is Mick himself as a player.

950
01:03:13,260 --> 01:03:20,900
He was asked if he felt that he is an underrated player from the 80s.

951
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:26,580
Do you guys feel that he was underrated for his work?

952
01:03:26,580 --> 01:03:32,860
And one of the first things that's come to mind with me specifically since revisiting

953
01:03:32,860 --> 01:03:38,940
a lot of the early Motley Crue stuff recently.

954
01:03:38,940 --> 01:03:41,100
Obviously Mick isn't in there.

955
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:43,740
Let's say he's not Eddie Van Halen.

956
01:03:43,740 --> 01:03:51,140
But I think that especially on those first few Motley Crue albums, he was a tasty enough

957
01:03:51,140 --> 01:03:59,180
player to know how to make his solos work within the confines of the songs to make,

958
01:03:59,180 --> 01:04:01,140
to release memorable solos.

959
01:04:01,140 --> 01:04:09,220
I mean, think about Solo for Looked at Kill or even Home Sweet Home, stuff like that,

960
01:04:09,220 --> 01:04:13,820
where they're memorable and they don't have a million notes to them.

961
01:04:13,820 --> 01:04:16,900
They're totally part of those songs.

962
01:04:16,900 --> 01:04:22,180
I think if you hear those songs with any other solo in there without the kind of meat and

963
01:04:22,180 --> 01:04:23,700
potatoes of what he did.

964
01:04:23,700 --> 01:04:30,580
I mean, I haven't heard them with John 5 playing them, but I would imagine that John 5 is sticking

965
01:04:30,580 --> 01:04:34,140
close to those originals just because of that.

966
01:04:34,140 --> 01:04:38,580
Ed, you're obviously a guitarist.

967
01:04:38,580 --> 01:04:41,620
Mick Mars, underrated for the 80s?

968
01:04:41,620 --> 01:04:46,980
Or do you think he got the correct amount of recognition for what his playing was all

969
01:04:46,980 --> 01:04:47,980
about?

970
01:04:47,980 --> 01:04:56,700
Yeah, I think he stands on his own in a way because he's different.

971
01:04:56,700 --> 01:05:02,980
I've never heard a single guitarist say anything negative about Mick.

972
01:05:02,980 --> 01:05:12,260
I mean, he wasn't doing the shredding thing that a lot of players were back then.

973
01:05:12,260 --> 01:05:16,260
Although when he first started, there wasn't a ton of shredders either.

974
01:05:16,260 --> 01:05:24,380
I mean, you had Eddie Van Halen starting it.

975
01:05:24,380 --> 01:05:31,580
But like I've said before on this show, he's got his own tone that you can almost feel

976
01:05:31,580 --> 01:05:36,700
like it's in his hands that nobody can else, no one else can replicate.

977
01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:41,980
And like we talked about before, and you just said, his solos are super well done.

978
01:05:41,980 --> 01:05:44,060
They're memorable.

979
01:05:44,060 --> 01:05:46,940
You can sing them from memory.

980
01:05:46,940 --> 01:05:53,380
He stands alone or he stands on his own as a great player.

981
01:05:53,380 --> 01:06:00,420
Even though he's not shredding like Eddie Van Halen, he was still an awesome player

982
01:06:00,420 --> 01:06:06,740
and everybody, I think every guitarist really respects him highly.

983
01:06:06,740 --> 01:06:15,660
I think that's a good point too, that I mean, if you set Eddie apart, you put Mick in with

984
01:06:15,660 --> 01:06:20,020
a Vivian Campbell, with the George Lynch, with the Warren D. Martini, because I think

985
01:06:20,020 --> 01:06:23,020
that would probably be the next group of guys.

986
01:06:23,020 --> 01:06:27,980
Yeah, he was more in there.

987
01:06:27,980 --> 01:06:34,300
I mean, would you guys think that it's fair to put him in that group or do you think that,

988
01:06:34,300 --> 01:06:35,300
you know, he...

989
01:06:35,300 --> 01:06:36,300
That's the way I think of it.

990
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:37,300
Yeah.

991
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:38,300
Yeah.

992
01:06:38,300 --> 01:06:39,300
Okay.

993
01:06:39,300 --> 01:06:40,300
Dan, what do you think?

994
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:44,060
I think the reason this statement like this can come up to be even questioned is because

995
01:06:44,060 --> 01:06:45,660
he was the quiet one.

996
01:06:45,660 --> 01:06:47,600
He was the quiet Beatle.

997
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:53,760
You know, he was, he's underrated because he didn't want a lot of attention, but absolutely

998
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:59,820
solid player and should get more credit than he's been given by the band.

999
01:06:59,820 --> 01:07:05,700
As you mentioned, you guys have all mentioned, the early days especially, his sound and his

1000
01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:09,500
contribution to his playing.

1001
01:07:09,500 --> 01:07:10,500
Absolutely.

1002
01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:11,500
Yeah.

1003
01:07:11,500 --> 01:07:12,500
Okay.

1004
01:07:12,500 --> 01:07:13,500
Mike?

1005
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:14,500
Yeah.

1006
01:07:14,500 --> 01:07:21,860
I mean, I think, you know, he was the older, more mature guy in the band early on.

1007
01:07:21,860 --> 01:07:27,660
So his technique and everything was probably more refined than everybody else's was at

1008
01:07:27,660 --> 01:07:28,660
that point.

1009
01:07:28,660 --> 01:07:34,580
And, yeah, I mean, without him, you know, I don't think Mala Crew would be where they

1010
01:07:34,580 --> 01:07:40,900
are, you know, having that kind of maturity and leadership to keep them together from,

1011
01:07:40,900 --> 01:07:45,020
you know, all the stupid stuff that they did way back when.

1012
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:50,740
And yeah, it's, you know, like everybody else has said, you know, his solos were just perfect

1013
01:07:50,740 --> 01:07:53,660
for the songs, for the time, for that timeframe.

1014
01:07:53,660 --> 01:08:00,020
And, you know, I can hear them in my head when I think of the songs, note for note.

1015
01:08:00,020 --> 01:08:04,580
And if you're not great, that doesn't happen.

1016
01:08:04,580 --> 01:08:05,980
Yeah.

1017
01:08:05,980 --> 01:08:12,260
I can think of some of the lesser known songs by the band where just like you're saying,

1018
01:08:12,260 --> 01:08:17,540
you know, you start to hear the song and some of them, you kind of fast forward in your

1019
01:08:17,540 --> 01:08:20,420
head to, oh yeah, that solo's in this song.

1020
01:08:20,420 --> 01:08:25,860
You know, so it's I think he's always been good at that is, like I said, is putting a

1021
01:08:25,860 --> 01:08:32,500
memorable notes together, you know, with with the full composition to make it all work.

1022
01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:33,500
Right.

1023
01:08:33,500 --> 01:08:36,340
What do you think?

1024
01:08:36,340 --> 01:08:39,220
I echo what most of us said here.

1025
01:08:39,220 --> 01:08:41,260
Mick was a boss.

1026
01:08:41,260 --> 01:08:42,260
We're talking about music.

1027
01:08:42,260 --> 01:08:43,260
He's gone.

1028
01:08:43,260 --> 01:08:46,260
But Mick is a, you know, he's a musician.

1029
01:08:46,260 --> 01:08:54,700
He's not a, it's not just a guitar player, but, you know, he's only there for solos.

1030
01:08:54,700 --> 01:08:57,420
Mick plays the song from start to finish.

1031
01:08:57,420 --> 01:09:06,340
And, you know, let's face it, I suppose Tommy has a big impact on Motley Crue.

1032
01:09:06,340 --> 01:09:15,660
But, you know, I can't think of any particularly memorable bass lines in Motley Crue.

1033
01:09:15,660 --> 01:09:25,060
So, you know, he's in many ways one of the most important members of the band.

1034
01:09:25,060 --> 01:09:34,660
Yeah, I mean, outside of the intro to Shout at the Devil and maybe Primal Scream, there

1035
01:09:34,660 --> 01:09:43,060
really isn't any other bass track that you could think of that instantly stands out,

1036
01:09:43,060 --> 01:09:46,100
you know, like you could Mick's solos.

1037
01:09:46,100 --> 01:09:49,580
There's some nice bass played on the first album.

1038
01:09:49,580 --> 01:09:50,580
Yeah.

1039
01:09:50,580 --> 01:09:55,860
But look, he's absolutely fine.

1040
01:09:55,860 --> 01:09:59,060
There's nothing wrong with Mick Vars.

1041
01:09:59,060 --> 01:10:00,060
Yeah.

1042
01:10:00,060 --> 01:10:02,460
Brad, how about you?

1043
01:10:02,460 --> 01:10:11,060
Yeah, I'm going to say it was the guitar that actually attracted me to their music first,

1044
01:10:11,060 --> 01:10:13,260
the first thing that I heard them singing.

1045
01:10:13,260 --> 01:10:14,260
Yeah, yeah.

1046
01:10:14,260 --> 01:10:19,860
It's like, wow, that guitar, that sound is just so badass.

1047
01:10:19,860 --> 01:10:25,900
And so, yeah, he's very important and really important in that band.

1048
01:10:25,900 --> 01:10:30,780
I mean, I don't think they would have been, I guess they could have been this big without

1049
01:10:30,780 --> 01:10:34,580
him, but, you know, we'll never know.

1050
01:10:34,580 --> 01:10:40,220
But yeah, I think he's a great player.

1051
01:10:40,220 --> 01:10:41,220
Great tone.

1052
01:10:41,220 --> 01:10:46,540
Interestingly enough, the first thing that drew me to the band was hearing the riff for

1053
01:10:46,540 --> 01:10:48,340
Look That Kill.

1054
01:10:48,340 --> 01:10:49,340
Yep.

1055
01:10:49,340 --> 01:10:53,020
That heavy crunchiness to that was, what is this?

1056
01:10:53,020 --> 01:10:56,780
You know, that was the first thing that really grabbed me.

1057
01:10:56,780 --> 01:10:57,940
He didn't sound like anybody else.

1058
01:10:57,940 --> 01:11:01,980
I mean, you couldn't go, oh, that's, he's going for what that guy's doing.

1059
01:11:01,980 --> 01:11:02,980
Yeah.

1060
01:11:02,980 --> 01:11:03,980
Not at all.

1061
01:11:03,980 --> 01:11:04,980
It's like, this is different.

1062
01:11:04,980 --> 01:11:05,980
And that's tough to do.

1063
01:11:05,980 --> 01:11:10,380
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to think about him is, yeah.

1064
01:11:10,380 --> 01:11:17,540
Yeah, it's real difficult to have your own sound, especially now, and actually be good,

1065
01:11:17,540 --> 01:11:18,540
I guess.

1066
01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:22,780
It'd be easy to make your own sound that sounds like crap.

1067
01:11:22,780 --> 01:11:27,620
I think the neat thing too is from the songs we've been hearing off of the solo album,

1068
01:11:27,620 --> 01:11:32,640
look, the rest of the solo album could be utter shit, but the three songs that have

1069
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:39,300
been released so far sound pretty cool, they sound like what you would want to hear from

1070
01:11:39,300 --> 01:11:45,020
him, you know, some heavy guitar playing and he's not reinventing anything, but it sounds

1071
01:11:45,020 --> 01:11:46,180
good so far.

1072
01:11:46,180 --> 01:11:50,860
So I mean, at least it's making me look forward to what the overall album is going to sound

1073
01:11:50,860 --> 01:11:51,860
like.

1074
01:11:51,860 --> 01:12:00,140
You know, when I think about it, Nick, especially on Shout at the Devil, he had a guitar sound

1075
01:12:00,140 --> 01:12:09,740
that when you're a kid made you start doing chores to make money to go buy a guitar.

1076
01:12:09,740 --> 01:12:11,060
That you hear that.

1077
01:12:11,060 --> 01:12:15,380
My first experience was hearing Shout at the Devil, just like you were saying, that guitar

1078
01:12:15,380 --> 01:12:21,560
sound, that makes your hair stand up and you just you start dreaming about buying a guitar

1079
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,140
and you can't stop thinking about it.

1080
01:12:24,140 --> 01:12:25,140
Yeah.

1081
01:12:25,140 --> 01:12:29,500
That's an interesting topic for another day.

1082
01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:34,180
Things that made you want to work to buy your first instrument.

1083
01:12:34,180 --> 01:12:36,300
That'd be fun.

1084
01:12:36,300 --> 01:12:37,300
Yeah.

1085
01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:38,300
Yeah.

1086
01:12:38,300 --> 01:12:39,300
Cool.

1087
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:46,740
So on that note, folks, I do want to thank Ed, Dan, Mike, Anthony and Brad for joining

1088
01:12:46,740 --> 01:12:47,740
me tonight.

1089
01:12:47,740 --> 01:12:53,900
I also want to thank Sean, who is in the chat, and thank anyone else that may listen to or

1090
01:12:53,900 --> 01:12:56,740
watch the replay of this.

1091
01:12:56,740 --> 01:12:59,220
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1092
01:12:59,220 --> 01:13:03,100
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1093
01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:10,500
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1094
01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:14,340
On that note, we end tonight's show.

1095
01:13:14,340 --> 01:13:19,140
We will see you next time right here on Signals from Mars.

1096
01:13:19,140 --> 01:13:45,300
See you, folks.