1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,920 Hi everyone, welcome to episode 4 of the Lawn Experience podcast. 2 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,840 I'm your host Tasha and look at who we have today. 3 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,480 Oh my god, Paula is in the house. 4 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,000 I can't believe this is happening right now. 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,600 I'm so excited and I'm also really nervous but I hope that by the time we're like, she's 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,120 gonna get into it, everything's just gonna go away. 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,120 There's just gonna be a conversation. 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,280 This is always just a conversation. 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,080 So okay, a little bit of a background. 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,520 Firstly before we get into Miss Paula. 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:46,200 So I did say that this podcast is for entrepreneurs and digital marketers and now Paula and I 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,240 were in the same masters together. 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:53,720 Today's episode is gonna be so good because Paula and I have different backgrounds but 14 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,360 we both did the same masters. 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,800 So we're just gonna talk about our entry level into our masters, like our backgrounds. 16 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:05,200 And then if there's any aspiring digital marketers that's kind of going through the same experiences, 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,840 this is something that you can relate to of course because that's the aim of the podcast. 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:14,040 But not just that, there's also if you want to establish a career and you're kind of like, 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,880 oh should I go into the space of digital marketing or should I start my own business? 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:19,880 Like where should I be? 21 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:26,440 So we're gonna try to answer and talk about many topics as possible in today's podcast. 22 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,880 But as always, there's no script, there is just conversation. 23 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,560 So therefore you don't have to be nervous. 24 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,960 Lovely, I love that. 25 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:37,880 And also it makes me feel like a little bit of a celebrity because like why am I just 26 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,840 talking to a microphone and being recorded? 27 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:40,840 Do you know what I mean? 28 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,640 Yeah, I'm not just famous right now. 29 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,680 Bro, we're always famous, okay? 30 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,960 So actually what I want everybody to do please is please subscribe. 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,160 If we get a hundred likes, Paula is gonna do more episodes with me. 32 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,480 I was so scared like what am I gonna do? 33 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:57,800 Yes, of course always. 34 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,480 Tell everybody about yourself. 35 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,720 Right, so my name is Paula. 36 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:07,520 I am a digital marketer and I was just telling Tasha how much I don't feel like Juan. 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,200 But that's just me self sabotaging straight away right here, right now. 38 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,960 Just because I don't have a job in marketing. 39 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:20,080 Do you know what I mean? I feel like a lot of people might actually feel the same way 40 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:27,840 about it because after I finished uni with you, I've been basically just stuck in the 41 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,400 job search area. 42 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:37,080 Last week's episode we learned about, oh I've got a helper and Paula is coming to work with 43 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,280 me with my business, Law and Media. 44 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,560 And this is what we're gonna get in today is that Paula now does, she's been a year, 45 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:50,520 it's been a year since we've graduated and Paula has been trying so much to get a job 46 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,040 and unfortunately the industry has failed her. 47 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,760 This is why we wanna talk about it. 48 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,640 Why can't Paula get a job? 49 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:02,200 I think there is a lot of reasons for that. 50 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:08,880 So just really quickly I have an undergrad in marketing with management and then I did 51 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:09,880 a master's. 52 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:10,880 Where did you do that? 53 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,480 So I did that in Naber-Ruswiff University. 54 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:18,160 I am originally from Poland so I moved here when I was 19 specifically because I wanted 55 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:23,880 to study marketing in Naber-Ruswiff University and it was a joint course, it's Marketing 56 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,320 with Management. 57 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:30,200 And then later on because I actually really fell in love with marketing and the first 58 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:35,280 few years were really just adjusting to the new culture, to the new language because obviously 59 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:41,800 English is not my first language and it was so much different to what I was expecting 60 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,480 it to be because I thought that I'm quite good in English. 61 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,800 When I was at school I was getting straight A's and you know what not. 62 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,760 But turns out that in real life it's slightly different. 63 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:56,800 Everyone has a different accent and also I was coming into my adulthood as well. 64 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,240 This was the first time I was living alone and it's in a different country so basically 65 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:06,200 what I'm trying to say is that even though I did get a 2-1 in my course I didn't feel 66 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,920 like I retained any of that knowledge. 67 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:14,720 A lot of me doing my undergrad was just being a stress ball, feeling like I'm not good 68 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:21,320 enough, feeling like I actually am not as good as my other course mates are getting 69 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:27,000 so much better grades that I am getting and yeah, it was a lot. 70 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,400 So I decided okay I want to do a master's course because one I like marketing too, I 71 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,640 feel like I need to redo my uni experience in a way. 72 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:36,640 That's so weird. 73 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:37,640 I know. 74 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:38,640 I feel the same. 75 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:39,640 Yeah. 76 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:45,160 It's so crazy because I did my BA in audio production and I didn't feel good enough because 77 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,720 oh my goodness, life. 78 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:52,560 Why do you go through like a whole evolution of a person when you do a degree? 79 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:53,560 Honestly, it's so difficult. 80 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:54,560 It's growing out, right? 81 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,560 It's so difficult. 82 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,640 And I felt like I was losing my mind. 83 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,080 I wanted to do my master's again. 84 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,640 I really didn't know this about you. 85 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,640 Interesting. 86 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:11,480 I wanted to do my master's as a reset round two because I felt like my BA, I wasn't good 87 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:12,480 enough. 88 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:13,480 Yeah, literally. 89 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,160 Sorry, I was just kind of like that's so cool. 90 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,640 It is really interesting because obviously you did something completely different. 91 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,040 I was still doing marketing. 92 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:26,400 I just didn't feel like I actually retained any of that knowledge so I didn't feel confident 93 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:31,320 enough to actually try and look for a job at the moment after I finished uni. 94 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:37,640 So I decided to do master's and because I finished my undergrad just as the pandemic 95 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:42,280 started, with pandemic came digital transformation, right? 96 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:47,280 And what came with that mean everything is online and marketing and digital marketing 97 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:49,000 specifically just boomed. 98 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,360 So I knew I really wanted to do digital marketing. 99 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,240 And yeah, there I was with Tasha on my course. 100 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:01,520 Okay, I want to actually talk about how we met. 101 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:02,520 Oh my God. 102 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,020 Oh my God, okay. 103 00:06:04,020 --> 00:06:07,040 So context, we need to fill everybody in. 104 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:12,640 You went into your master's because of digital transformation, like the digital boomed. 105 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:18,000 My choice for going into the master's was I wanted to make sure, like I touch on this 106 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,360 on episode one so we won't dive into it deeply. 107 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,280 But moral of the story is I googled strategic digital marketing because I looked at the 108 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:29,600 pay slip of like, okay, what income am I guaranteed? 109 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,040 I just didn't want to be jobless again. 110 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:38,080 So if you have a master's, you're like guaranteed 35, 40K, 40K plus type of thing. 111 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:46,480 I was in South Africa at the time and we did like loads of like team meetings online and 112 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:51,320 Paula and Myra, we met through meetings like teams. 113 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:58,480 Well, basically, in a way, it wasn't really like teams just because it was lectures still. 114 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,000 So it's not like I am in a group with you and I can just talk to you specifically. 115 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:08,320 It's more like there is a question asked to the class and Tasha is answering so I can 116 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:15,360 hear her and she, as you probably know by now because this is episode four, is very expressive. 117 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:16,360 She's really out there. 118 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,720 She's really outgoing. 119 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:25,520 So you know Tasha, you just know, you know who Tasha is, even though you've only like 120 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,320 you're only online, you don't even know her face. 121 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:34,320 All you know is the name is Tasha under every single responses being typed in and you know 122 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,400 that Tasha is going to answer every single question. 123 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:38,400 And that's amazing. 124 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:43,320 But really funnily, I don't know, I still don't understand how that happened. 125 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:48,960 But in the induction day that Tasha didn't make because she was in South Africa, myself 126 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:55,720 and our other coursemate, Myra, we were sitting there and we were swearing on our lives, okay, 127 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:01,640 me and Myra, that there was a girl called Tasha and this whole time we thought that she's 128 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,160 Tasha, that she's you basically. 129 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,280 So online, she's always very active. 130 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:09,720 She's always answering every question. 131 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,000 She's being very outgoing again, like very big personality. 132 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,640 And then in the classes, she's always quiet. 133 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,480 She never says anything. 134 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,760 She's just like sitting there and that's it. 135 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,160 And we're like, what is, what is up with that? 136 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,000 Why don't you just say something in the class? 137 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,360 Like, what's the difference? 138 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,760 And then Tasha arrives and we're like, wait, is there two Tashas? 139 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:35,760 Is it just one Tasha? 140 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,240 Who is the other girl? 141 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,080 And to this day, I actually, I feel really bad, but I actually don't know what that girl's 142 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:42,080 name is. 143 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,080 Okay. 144 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,760 And it's just, I don't, I don't know how that happened, but it wasn't just me. 145 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,120 So I didn't make that up. 146 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,160 It was both me and Myra had the same idea. 147 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,480 We'll get Myra on the podcast as I'm pointed to. 148 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,240 She'll be sat right here next time. 149 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:57,240 Yeah. 150 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:58,240 We interrogate her as well. 151 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:03,160 That's so, honestly, it was so funny because we were just, we were like, we need to tell 152 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,840 you about this because it's so crazy. 153 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,680 I remember, I remember you telling me and I just laughed because I thought those are 154 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:10,680 so funny. 155 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:13,800 What you see is what you get, what you hear is what you get. 156 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,280 I am the same person. 157 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:16,280 Yeah. 158 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,960 So for any future people, you'll see exactly the same energy. 159 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,440 But yeah, so I remember like, I moved here. 160 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,560 Finally, I got let into the country because it was just so annoying. 161 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:27,280 And then I had no place to live. 162 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:33,200 I stormed into Jonathan Deacon's freaking business model campus exercise. 163 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,800 I've got, I don't know what's going on this campus. 164 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:41,600 He's so confusing and the forest and then Myra and Paula comes over and they're like, 165 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:42,600 are you touched? 166 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:43,600 And I'm like, yeah. 167 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,400 They were like, oh my goodness. 168 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,600 I would have loved to know what went through my mind at that point. 169 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,000 That's so funny. 170 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,600 I actually don't remember. 171 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:58,120 I don't remember the first time that we saw you, but I just remember the confusion and 172 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,200 I remember that it wasn't just me. 173 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,040 So something was up. 174 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,040 I don't know. 175 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,360 Let's talk about the masters. 176 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:14,040 So we've met each other and how did you find the experience in comparison to your undergrad? 177 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:19,200 It was very different, but it's because I was in a very different place and I had a different 178 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,200 mindset. 179 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:26,720 As I said before, when I was doing my undergrad, I had to readjust into the new country, not 180 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,880 like support net or anything really. 181 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,200 I mean, I came with two of my friends from back home and they were quite good friends 182 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,160 and they were the ones who showed me a burst with university. 183 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,240 They were the ones that showed me the course. 184 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,480 Really interestingly, I wasn't ever planning on coming to the UK. 185 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:50,040 I really wanted to study in Warsaw and I really wanted to do this Korean study course, but 186 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,680 I didn't get into that one. 187 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:57,320 I got into the American Studies one, which I applied for only because they said that 188 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,520 the lectures are going to be run in English and I thought, okay, this is a good opportunity 189 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:07,000 for me to be more fluent in English and that would be my only reason to really do that 190 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,360 other than I actually don't know what my interests are. 191 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:16,720 I wanted to do marketing, but I couldn't really find any courses in Warsaw that I would like 192 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,640 or that no one really was doing marketing at the time. 193 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,320 I don't know why, but that's just how it was in Poland. 194 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,160 And so they come to me and they showed me a burst with university and that they have 195 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:28,840 a marketing course. 196 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,280 So I was like, okay, why not apply? 197 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,640 The fee was 25 pounds, so it wasn't very expensive. 198 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,120 So I was like, okay, I'm just going to apply and see what happens and then I got into the 199 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,120 course. 200 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,680 And I'm saying that because that really, in hindsight, I didn't realize it at the time 201 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:51,680 at all, but in hindsight, it really affected my uni and my studies and what I was learning 202 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:52,680 even. 203 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:58,080 One thing is that when I was in high school or college in UK, I never really felt like 204 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,400 I needed to study very hard because I have quite good memories. 205 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,600 So I was just winging everything and I had good grades, but uni is not like that. 206 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,320 You actually need to study. 207 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:13,560 And that was a transition that I needed to make and it took some time for me to be like, 208 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:17,480 okay, I need to be very disciplined and study. 209 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:22,600 So that was one of the things that I felt really bad about, but also my anxiety, my 210 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:27,800 mental health was also a big one because that's when I discovered that I have an anxiety 211 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,720 disorder and it was some really difficult years for me. 212 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:37,440 So all of those things that were happening outside of the uni impacted what I got out 213 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:38,440 of it. 214 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,640 And that's why I felt, okay, I didn't retain any of the knowledge. 215 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,880 I don't feel confident going into the job market. 216 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,360 I don't feel confident being a marketer. 217 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,520 So I decided to do a masters. 218 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,200 When I was looking for my masters course, as I said, it was the pandemic. 219 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:57,160 So I wanted to do a digital marketing course and there weren't that many in Wales. 220 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:02,480 I needed to stay in Wales because that was the only country in the UK that would be offering 221 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:08,400 a student loan for me because I'm from Poland, which is an EU member. 222 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,640 And I came to the UK before Brexit. 223 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,640 So they were offering student loans for us. 224 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:20,720 And then as Brexit happened in 2020, just before the pandemic started, the rules were 225 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:27,120 changed and basically the EU students would have to pay as much money as the international 226 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,120 students. 227 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,400 And it's quite a lot of money. 228 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:30,400 I actually didn't know that. 229 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:31,840 It's quite a lot of money. 230 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,280 And basically the majority of my student loan would go into it. 231 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:36,840 So I needed to stay in Wales. 232 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:37,840 That was one thing. 233 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,360 Second thing, I needed to find a uni that would give me a discount because there were 234 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:49,280 some universities like the one that we went to and Swansea, I believe, where the two that 235 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:54,800 I was looking at that were offering the discount for EU students that would allow me to still 236 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,560 pay the same fees as the local students. 237 00:13:57,560 --> 00:14:00,600 Swansea didn't have a digital marketing course. 238 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:06,840 It had a strategic marketing course and USW had a digital marketing course. 239 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,880 And I think also there was some kind of some different marketing courses, but it doesn't 240 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:11,880 really matter. 241 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,600 The decision was then easy because I'm like, okay, I want to, I really want to do the digital 242 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:16,600 marketing course. 243 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,760 Not only that, USW is also situated near Cardiff. 244 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,280 So I really wanted to be somewhere close, a big city. 245 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,280 Yeah. 246 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:26,280 That's so crazy. 247 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,640 Like, oh my goodness, we have so similar. 248 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:36,200 Like, I was just thinking about when you said school and you didn't really like, honestly, 249 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,720 I was partying every weekend, exam time. 250 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:39,720 I was raving. 251 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,080 I wasn't doing that. 252 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,560 I was raving. 253 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:48,120 And then I was getting like A's and B's and I was just like, whatever, because I could 254 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,120 rotate. 255 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,200 Like I, I did my due diligence doing like I did my homework and stuff. 256 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,480 So like there's only so many times you can revise for that knowledge to go in and then 257 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,080 I'll be like, I've got it now. 258 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,080 You know what I mean? 259 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,320 Or like, I'll just go through notes at five o'clock in the morning before the exam and 260 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:04,320 then do it. 261 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,320 Yeah. 262 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,160 Literally that's what I was doing exactly the same thing. 263 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,320 I would just read the textbook the night before, not even the day before. 264 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,720 I would start at 10 p.m. and then I would finish at like one or two, maybe three. 265 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,600 Three would be like really pushing it. 266 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,680 And then the next day I would still get a good grade. 267 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,720 And that was all I needed to do. 268 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:28,920 This explains all our assignments, by the way, because like honestly, all of us, we 269 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,080 worked until the last minute, right? 270 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,080 And that's the thing. 271 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:39,000 It's like, it's like, I always want to be that organized student. 272 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,000 Oh my goodness. 273 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,480 I'm doing all my, all my tasks that I need to on a weekly basis. 274 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,440 I've got everything, every four hours so that you're not stressed by the deadline. 275 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:53,720 Jonathan's module I wrote in like 48 hours. 276 00:15:53,720 --> 00:16:00,520 No, I was really set on it because I really hate that I have that habit of leaving things 277 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:01,640 for the last minute. 278 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,160 And that was one of my, one of my goals actually for the masters to not do it. 279 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,440 And I was being very, very dedicated to it at the beginning and then the later on the 280 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,600 reality caught up with me and everything was being left until the last minute again. 281 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,960 But it is also because I started doing part-time waitressing. 282 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,960 So I had less time and then with less time also comes less energy. 283 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:25,960 So yeah. 284 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,360 You said now it's different times. 285 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:33,120 You've gone from, okay, new country, new barriers. 286 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,760 Actually now it's like transition of different friends as well. 287 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,260 Different area. 288 00:16:38,260 --> 00:16:40,560 And we're now in Traforrest. 289 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,480 We're studying a masters. 290 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,680 How was your first like the term? 291 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,560 Like when we did the research, our first assignment was hard. 292 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,800 I personally felt it was so hard. 293 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,520 The istypology, I can't even say that properly now. 294 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,000 Oh my goodness. 295 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,520 And your anthropology, freaking hell. 296 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,280 I was like, damn, I mean the masters now. 297 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,280 No, yeah. 298 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,640 That was a very, like it was a wake up call for sure. 299 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,480 But I think it was good that that was our first assignment because that was like, okay. 300 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,920 There's no play time, honestly, masters, especially we, our masters was a year. 301 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,480 Actually the first time I was really, really disciplined. 302 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,480 Yeah. 303 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:27,280 Like regardless of how many challenges we went through, I was so focused to also prove 304 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:28,280 a point to myself. 305 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:29,280 Exactly. 306 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,240 I, that's, that was literally my point. 307 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:37,520 I need to prove to myself that I can do it because if I can't, then all of my dark thoughts 308 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,440 and all of the intrusive thoughts are real. 309 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:40,440 Yes. 310 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,680 That was my biggest, biggest fear. 311 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:43,680 Yeah. 312 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:44,680 Okay. 313 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:45,680 What was your favorite modules? 314 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,680 Like out of the mosses? 315 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:54,360 I hate that question just because I, I have my own grievances, I guess with the course. 316 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:58,960 My first grievance is that it's called digital marketing and there was barely any digital. 317 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,720 I'm really sad about it. 318 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:06,680 And also because there was so little digital, it was kind of a repetition of what I've already 319 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,560 learned in my undergrad. 320 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:09,560 Kind of. 321 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:17,640 And Jonathan was definitely the star of our course, I want to say. 322 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:18,640 Yeah. 323 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:24,120 Because it's not even like, I guess his modules, I haven't done consultancy before. 324 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:29,680 So I definitely learned some, a lot of new things, even our, what was the module called 325 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:30,680 with Louise? 326 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,880 It was branding and the, what the crisis one? 327 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:34,880 Yeah. 328 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:35,880 Crisis management. 329 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:36,880 Sorry. 330 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:37,880 No offense. 331 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,040 Like the branding element was amazing because we got to win that challenge, which is so 332 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,040 cool. 333 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,040 I love that. 334 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,480 But the crisis, the fact that the course is strategic digital marketing and I'm learning 335 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:54,640 about how to handle a crisis, I get it in terms of big corporations. 336 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,080 If you're the only marketing department, I totally get it. 337 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,160 Like in terms of everyday life now, I totally get it. 338 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,000 But I really would have preferred something more digital. 339 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,400 Like all our digital marketing was online. 340 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,000 You have to self-learn. 341 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:15,800 Like I went into the masters already self-teaching myself so much that I wanted someone to teach 342 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,520 me what I didn't know. 343 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:23,720 So like HubSpot was a partner, Hootsuite was a partner and they have courses that we had 344 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,280 to go do online and then Google analytics, all these things. 345 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:32,600 But like during term time, there's just no time to do all these things unless you're 346 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:37,520 disciplined, like if they were like right, also to back it up in their defense. 347 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,120 I did get a bit of background information about the course. 348 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:47,160 So this course was being pushed for the last 10 years for this course to have a course. 349 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,680 That's why I said Wales doesn't really have digital marketing and all this stuff. 350 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,200 So this was the first of its kind. 351 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,760 We were the test, we were like the pilot project. 352 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:00,280 If you have a set class time, okay, Friday, you're in class, you've got to do this. 353 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,080 We all do it. 354 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:07,000 So if you go, oh, South Study, it's kind of like, of course, masters, they're not there 355 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,600 to hold your hand. 356 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,400 But in terms of structure, I needed structure. 357 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,000 I had discipline and I never had it at all. 358 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,000 Like I would be rather sleeping or something. 359 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,720 And that's what it is because obviously, so that was one module that you're talking about 360 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,960 personal and professional development. 361 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:33,000 Suggestion of what we could do in our own time to further our knowledge, do all of those 362 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:39,440 extra courses like the ones from Hootsuite, like you said, or HubSpot or any other partners, 363 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:44,280 like, I don't know, Google and all of those courses, right, which are really useful. 364 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,600 And do you do any certificates? 365 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:47,680 How many did you walk away with? 366 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:48,680 Oh, gosh. 367 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,280 Do you want to know how many I, well, I did. 368 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:57,800 I want to say three when I was still at uni and I was still doing my masters. 369 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,800 And then after I did one more. 370 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:01,800 I did one. 371 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:02,800 Fair enough. 372 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:03,800 And I did it afterwards. 373 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,720 And that's why I wanted to say is that masters is really intense. 374 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:14,920 So if you get a chance to find module out of five modules, let's say that you can basically 375 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,920 just sleep through, you're going to do it because you need to sleep. 376 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,000 You are working so hard on the assignment last night or it's really intense. 377 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,360 You need to be really disciplined. 378 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:31,960 And with the personal and professional development module tells you, these are some resources 379 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:37,080 that we have extra resources and you have full access to them whenever you want to them, 380 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,760 whenever you have some free time. 381 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,840 And in my case, well, I was doing uni. 382 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,880 I was also working part time. 383 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:53,960 I have a boyfriend and at some time in February, so somewhere halfway through the course, we 384 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,200 got a dog. 385 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,320 So there was a lot of stuff happening outside of uni. 386 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:04,600 And I was really dedicating all of my energy to just doing the assignments as best, the 387 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,120 best as I could. 388 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:09,480 Because as I said before, I wanted to prove to myself that I can do it. 389 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,800 I'm not going to have acid. 390 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,240 I'm not going to just fall back into doing everything last minute. 391 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,240 There was a big difference. 392 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,160 Don't get me wrong. 393 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:24,160 Even though I was doing some of the assignments last minute, but for me, last minute in masters 394 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:30,120 was starting, let's say, three or four days before the deadline. 395 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:33,960 Whereas my last minute in my undergrad was doing it the night before. 396 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:34,960 Yeah. 397 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:35,960 Yeah. 398 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:36,960 Yeah. 399 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,560 The thing is, the course layout was very intense. 400 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:44,040 Like I know obviously we can joke and stuff like that, but it was like, okay, yeah, it's 401 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,720 four weeks of learning, two weeks off, four weeks on, two weeks off. 402 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:48,720 And you've got two assignments. 403 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,440 So you've got a halfway point of... 404 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,120 Two assignments per module. 405 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:53,120 Two assignments per module. 406 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:57,080 So you've got halfway point after two weeks, there's like a halfway assignment. 407 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,840 And then the next one, all they're both at the end of the four weeks. 408 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:06,400 And some of it is like, I spent a lot of my time in the library actually, like for, it 409 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,960 was just like firstly, Trafalse library is so good. 410 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:09,960 I love it. 411 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:16,680 But what I didn't get in my BA that I got with my masters is that I got to live my extra 412 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:22,120 uni life where you could walk two seconds to the library and the campus. 413 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:29,400 And in London, I was traveling an hour into campus every day because I was so many different 414 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,400 circumstances. 415 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,400 I was living south of London. 416 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,520 My uni was in Hagerston in the shortage area. 417 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,360 And my job was south London because I was working part time. 418 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:45,960 Ideally I wish I was closer, but the rent and stuff was difficult and like jobs and 419 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:46,960 blah, blah, blah. 420 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,240 The list goes on. 421 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,960 But I never got that experience. 422 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,640 And then Intraforest because it's like super nature. 423 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,880 It's just so nice. 424 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,320 I got to experience that. 425 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:04,200 So our masters though, you had to, like I spend a lot of my time reading certain books because 426 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:09,480 some of these concepts, like I went into this with no marketing background, only self-taught. 427 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,600 So all of these concepts, I had to go like, what the hell are they talking about? 428 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,360 Like research, research. 429 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:20,360 So like the personal development aspect, I didn't care about because I was like, firstly, 430 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:23,640 I've done two years of self teaching myself digital marketing. 431 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,640 I never came to this course to self certify. 432 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,920 I came to actually learn. 433 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,640 So I spent all my time because I thought to myself, when I finish my university, I'll 434 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,040 do the certification again. 435 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:42,520 Because it was just so exhausting going from like intense learning, four weeks of a new 436 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:49,000 topic, and then Simon's got to complete it, got to be like first because that's our pedestal 437 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,840 we put ourselves on. 438 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,240 And that rolling over and over and over. 439 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,440 By the end of it, you're just kind of like, I'm over it. 440 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:57,680 I'm just, I'm done. 441 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:58,680 I'm done. 442 00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,680 I'm done. 443 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,200 So I couldn't do certifications at all. 444 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,200 I didn't. 445 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,360 I refused to. 446 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:05,360 And that's fair enough. 447 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:08,760 There were some people that were very on it and we had those people. 448 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:09,760 Amazing. 449 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,600 They're really, really brilliant people. 450 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,320 They also, I think their time management skills are so much better than mine because I don't 451 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,280 know how they did all of those certificates. 452 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,920 Well, it's different, right? 453 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:20,920 Okay. 454 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:21,920 I will say this. 455 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,320 So if you have a stable home, it's different. 456 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,320 Yeah. 457 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,680 Like when you've got family here, you have a move. 458 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,920 So we both and even Myra, we are all three from different countries. 459 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,960 Like this is not a home country. 460 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,600 It's like, even though I've been here longer than you, it doesn't matter. 461 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:44,080 It's still the same principle is that my assumption is a lot of people that did have good time 462 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,280 management skills, they were close to home. 463 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,280 Yeah. 464 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,280 True. 465 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,280 No, I fully understand that. 466 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,280 And I, and I agree. 467 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:55,080 I think that I was thinking that was the reason as well because yeah, you were saying, okay, 468 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,160 you've been here longer than I have, but you weren't living in Wales ever. 469 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,160 You went into Traforist. 470 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,880 There was a new place, you didn't know anyone there, you know, and that's just one aspect. 471 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,520 There was so many things going on in your life as well. 472 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:08,520 Yeah. 473 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,840 So like my mom was dying basically during my master's. 474 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:18,600 So in South Africa, so I found out that the May she passed away and then like things just 475 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,520 changed for me completely. 476 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,520 Like masters. 477 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,520 I honestly, I have no idea how I got through it, but I did. 478 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,080 I like the thing is, this is the thing with us. 479 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:33,960 We all were going through our own personal problems, like all of us. 480 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,520 And they were all happening back home. 481 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,240 It was so annoying. 482 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:43,200 Like, like honestly, because we didn't, we, all of three of us didn't really share a lot. 483 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,880 We were just like, we almost like, when we got to with each other, we're like, right, 484 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:47,880 masters. 485 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:48,880 I don't know. 486 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,560 I got that impression where we were both like, we were both, we were all three like just 487 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,160 very fierce and just like, yeah, now's the time not to deal with our feelings. 488 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,040 Now's the time to be with each other and deal with uni life and all of that. 489 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,640 It was like, we all have a very similar coping mechanism. 490 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,680 So I've got a question for you. 491 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,960 Okay. 492 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,200 What did you think of our dynamic? 493 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,200 Our three dynamic? 494 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,640 Because obviously there's like a third person here that was always with us as well. 495 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,680 Like what did you, what did you, what did you think of the dynamic? 496 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:27,520 Obviously I met, met Myra before I met you, I met her on the induction day and instantly 497 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,840 we just like hang out together. 498 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,120 I think obviously it's because I'm here alone. 499 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:34,760 She's here alone. 500 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,800 There's a lot of people there. 501 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,600 They are alone. 502 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,920 And we kind of gravitated towards each other and it's really funny. 503 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:50,360 And I, what she would say is because when we were asked to tell a little bit about ourselves, 504 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:55,120 I said that I am a little bit of an introvert and I'm more, I usually just listen rather 505 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:57,280 than speak whatever. 506 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,000 I'm just shy naturally, but I'm also an introvert, whatever. 507 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,760 But she really picked up on that and she was like, she's going to be my friend. 508 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:12,160 And this really funny because I was kind of like following her, not, not really on purpose. 509 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,000 It's just because I was, I didn't know where I'm going. 510 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,040 I didn't know the campus at all. 511 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,600 So I'm like, okay, I need to follow the crowd. 512 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,720 And she was the first one there. 513 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,280 So I'm just following her and we just like started talking. 514 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,200 And I guess that it just worked out that way. 515 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,320 And later we found out that we actually really similar. 516 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:35,520 And also I, I think the reason that why all three of us felt connected in a way is because 517 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,600 all of us are from different countries and we know the struggle is really difficult starting 518 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:47,240 being on your own in a different country and trying to, you know, live your life like that. 519 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:54,160 So because Myra was really freshly, like she was, she was basically like off the airport 520 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,880 coming to the, you know, coming to the UK and start the master's madness. 521 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,880 So she's really new in the country. 522 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,680 So I felt like I know what it feels like. 523 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:10,000 I know what it is like to be an, well, an immigrant is that's what it's called. 524 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,280 And I'm, and I just decided, okay, well, I'm going to just help her out. 525 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,440 Why not? 526 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,640 And it turns out that we're really similar and we have similar interests and it just 527 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,520 worked out that way. 528 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:27,480 But with you, it was so much different because as I was saying, you're very outgoing, you're 529 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,080 very out there. 530 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:34,160 Everyone, when you walk into the room, there's not one person that's going to miss it. 531 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,440 And I am the other way around. 532 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,720 I feel like I always hide in the corner. 533 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,520 I never really speak up that much. 534 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,960 Well, it's different in the master's course because I promised myself that I'm going to 535 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,480 be, I'm going to stand out because I was really scared to be lost in the crowd again. 536 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,480 Oh yeah. 537 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,480 I had an opinion. 538 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,480 I loved it. 539 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:52,480 I did. 540 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,480 You did. 541 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,480 You did. 542 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,480 She challenged me sometimes. 543 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,480 I loved it. 544 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,480 That's why I loved it so much. 545 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,480 I was like, Bru, I love it. 546 00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,480 Honestly. 547 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,840 Yeah, because I do have opinions and I just felt like I need to actually just get it 548 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,840 out there. 549 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,160 I need to get over this fear because it is all in my head. 550 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,600 And I know it's difficult, but the only way to actually get over it is to do it, you 551 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:11,600 know. 552 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,040 And the amount of times I was on online classes, right? 553 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,760 So I don't even have the camera on. 554 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,760 No one can see me. 555 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,600 And I'm about to type in my answer and my heart is going like that. 556 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,280 I'm literally stressing out so much, but I'm like, I'm going to type it out. 557 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,800 I'm going to send it. 558 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,280 And it's just there, you know, and it's done. 559 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,920 I don't have to look at it. 560 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,040 So I just had to actually force myself to be like that, right? 561 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,360 Which is more a bit more natural for you. 562 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,360 Yeah. 563 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:46,040 So because we're so different, when I first met you, I was like, I'm going to hate her. 564 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,760 She's so loud. 565 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,600 You know, she's like, she's everything that I'm not. 566 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,320 So obviously it's a threat, right? 567 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,320 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 568 00:30:53,320 --> 00:31:00,480 And it's so silly looking back at it because really funnily I was thinking of Daemon the 569 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:01,480 same way. 570 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,480 Daemon is my partner. 571 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,520 So the first time that I met him, I was also like, oh, I hate him. 572 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,560 But it's only because you're the opposite of me. 573 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,920 Obviously when I met you and I actually spoke to you, you're really cool. 574 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,400 You're really nice. 575 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,760 And you are very enthusiastic, which I am not in a way. 576 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,160 Like I tend to always think of all of the negative stuff, like what can go wrong, what 577 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,480 I can't do, and you're the opposite. 578 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,200 So in that sense, I really love your enthusiasm. 579 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:39,400 But we had a chance to work together in a group and I think that's when I started noticing 580 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,440 what I can learn from you. 581 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,600 And there's a lot of, a lot that I can learn from you. 582 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,640 And yet you had so much, so many ideas and in my head, I'm like, okay, that's way too 583 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:50,640 much. 584 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:51,640 We need to narrow it down. 585 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,640 We need to actually get to the point. 586 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,200 And I think that was like at the very beginning when I didn't really know you that well, that 587 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:03,880 was the main second difference between the way that you work and the way that I work. 588 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,080 Because I'm really particular. 589 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:11,360 I need to have everything just written out and I need to go from step one to step whatever 590 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,360 10. 591 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:17,640 When you, you just go, okay, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, these are my ideas and about 592 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,760 all of the steps at the same time and none of them at the same time. 593 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,000 So we just needed, well, we just needed to work from that. 594 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,120 But because you had also so many ideas, this was giving me something like a starting point. 595 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:33,280 Because for me, the issue is actually starting every time because you're so out there and 596 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,000 because you're so different than me. 597 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,160 I have so much to learn from you. 598 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,000 The room, as I said, you walk into the room, no one's gonna, everyone's gonna see it. 599 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,000 Everyone's gonna notice. 600 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,240 Everyone's, it just feels your presence. 601 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,520 Anytime we had any guest speakers, he would always ask a lot of questions. 602 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:55,080 And I'm not saying that, like I didn't ask any questions, but it's just the way that 603 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,800 you are, the way that everyone is gonna remember Tasha. 604 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:05,840 Whether, whereas when I'm asking questions, I feel like I need to first make myself come 605 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:11,560 up with a question because I don't know, I don't know why, but often when someone's speaking, 606 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,360 I'm just like, okay, you know, like that's all the knowledge that you wanted to share 607 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,360 with me. 608 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,040 And that's all that I'm gonna take. 609 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,360 It's different with lectures because then I'm gonna inquire and I'm gonna wanna learn 610 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,920 as much as I can and I'm gonna, you know, my brain's gonna work. 611 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,360 When there is a guest speaker, I'm just like, okay, you're telling me about your business, 612 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,360 which is cool. 613 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,560 I don't know anything about that. 614 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,360 All of that you said is new to me, so I'm satisfied with that. 615 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,640 Even if I do ask a question, I feel like it would just be a case of, oh, actually, can 616 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,760 you just tell me about that? 617 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,520 And they would be like, yeah, this is that. 618 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,520 And that's it. 619 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,760 And I don't think they would remember, oh yeah, Paula asked me that question. 620 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,080 It could be any other person. 621 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,520 Because as I said, with you, it's like everyone knows, you know, I do it. 622 00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:05,320 In my life, I realized that you never know when someone will be your future key partner. 623 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,480 It's like a tactic I do. 624 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,840 It's a strategic way because funny enough, I'm introverted too. 625 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,040 I can be. 626 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:21,080 But when I'm, it's like, I have this, so I have this never ending drive from South Africa 627 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,920 to prove a point, to be successful, to be something. 628 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:33,000 So for me, I like, I've grown up with myself to know what are my strengths and what my 629 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,000 weaknesses are. 630 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,240 My strength is networking. 631 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:44,240 I can literally start over anywhere, anytime, anyhow, because I will network way around 632 00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:47,680 to get what I want, when I want to, because I need resources. 633 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,080 I don't have them. 634 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,800 So it's like a strategy. 635 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,920 It's like I'm strategic in what I do. 636 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,680 And I want everybody to leave the room. 637 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,800 Like I want to leave a room and people go, I know exactly who Tasha is. 638 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,880 Like it's a, it's a skill. 639 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,440 But funny enough, I never, I never used to be like that. 640 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,200 In my younger twenties, like I used to at school, like in my school where I was comfortable, 641 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,960 yes, but when you were like, oh my goodness in London, where everybody's so much bigger 642 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,560 and you're nothing. 643 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,560 Wow. 644 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,680 I, do you know, I would be the quiet one, just listening and absorbing and just scared 645 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,360 to have an opinion, but always thinking like exactly what you're thinking. 646 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:33,080 But I soon realized that to get what you want, you need to show up and you're, you totally 647 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,640 practice it too, you know what I mean? 648 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,000 And you did like, you did have a look, like Jonathan totally remembers you. 649 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,000 Do you know what I mean? 650 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,000 Yeah, exactly. 651 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,000 Like, which is amazing. 652 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,000 And you're right. 653 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,200 Like I also, I still have this problem. 654 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,880 I'm an idea generator. 655 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:55,200 I, I have, like it's really sometimes difficult to work with myself. 656 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,200 That's funny. 657 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,200 I love that. 658 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,480 Oh, it's so difficult to work with me too. 659 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,800 It's just, it's just, it's no idea. 660 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:12,840 I was just telling my, my, my work friend today, Rob, I was saying, sometimes I have 661 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,040 to run after myself. 662 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:20,240 It really annoys me because I'll go on to, it's like I'm ping ponging with myself and 663 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:21,240 it's so frustrating. 664 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:23,240 It's like, I can't keep up. 665 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:31,000 So I, I really, and what I feel like I could learn from you, Paula is very, she's got a 666 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,200 great eye for detail, really good eye for detail. 667 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,160 Like I really loved your analytical. 668 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:41,160 Like I felt like me and you were a lot more analytical together and that's what really 669 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,160 attracted me to you. 670 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,080 It was like, you challenged me. 671 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,720 For me, my curious mind likes a challenge, like a good, healthy challenge. 672 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:49,720 Yeah. 673 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:50,720 Right. 674 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:51,720 So I go, oh, but why is she saying this? 675 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:52,720 Like, what is your point? 676 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,120 What are you trying to say? 677 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,320 Is there a perspective that I can learn from or am I being, being naive or biased in this 678 00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,320 moment? 679 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,320 Like all the time. 680 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,960 I do like, for me, I love intellectual stimulation, big time. 681 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,160 So for me, that was a massive plus. 682 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,520 You got a great eye for detail and actually fun enough Paula's second language is English. 683 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,520 My first language is English yet I am like basically got dyslexia. 684 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,080 So I, I'm really bad at English. 685 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,200 Like in terms of writing it, I always have loads of mistakes and Paula had a great way 686 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,000 of, oh, you, she was like chief editor. 687 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,000 Yes. 688 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,000 Yeah. 689 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,000 She was chief editor. 690 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,000 So someone's second language. 691 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,480 Yeah, it's, you know what I mean? 692 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,960 Like she's rockstar good. 693 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,800 So that was like, and then Myra was very creative, very creative. 694 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,000 She was very visual. 695 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,000 Very visual. 696 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,600 So we gave visual, visual Myra the, that, that, uh, like I didn't mind at all. 697 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,360 Like I was like, no, give me, give me, give me more thinking. 698 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,360 Yeah. 699 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,360 Um, and ideas. 700 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,360 Yeah. 701 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,360 Ideas and thinking for me. 702 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,360 No, none of this like editing. 703 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,960 The thing is, it's only because I'm so particular. 704 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:05,640 And I always, I'm, everything needs to tie together and everything needs to be, to look 705 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,040 like one person did this. 706 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,640 Because when you're working in a group and you're doing it for a university, there's 707 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,400 going to be a lot of different people. 708 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,560 They're coming from different backgrounds. 709 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:25,960 They have different ideas of what, like even how to approach, uh, writing a piece of assignment. 710 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,200 Everyone has such different styles, but you can just put it all together, copy and paste 711 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:36,280 and submit it and make it and just say, oh, we did this because that's not, it's not what 712 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,280 it is about. 713 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,280 It's, this is masters. 714 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,040 Like we said, like we need to actually make sure that this looks professional and this 715 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,680 looks put together. 716 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,640 So for me, I am always obsessing about that. 717 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,240 So I was like, I am going to be the person to edit this because yeah, English is my second 718 00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:56,360 language, but I guess in a way it's an advantage because I learned the grammar, I learned the 719 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,640 spelling and I learned everything. 720 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:07,240 A big influence on me was also my partner because he was, um, he was checking some of 721 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:14,360 my assignments and some of my emails because I had a big, uh, security of writing emails 722 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,800 in English because this is something that we weren't really taught in English classes. 723 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,680 And of course you always had an email to this person, but it's different when it's an assignment 724 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:32,880 and somehow I learned that from him checking my work and I finally was able to find the 725 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:39,520 things that, um, could be better, could be set better or maybe they needed some editing 726 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:44,560 and I get, yeah, so I would say a hundred percent I learned that from him. 727 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,840 And that's why I brought with me to my master's because that, I guess that wasn't one of my 728 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:56,600 insecurities in my undergrad as well is, is that I never knew whether I'm actually writing 729 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:04,080 properly in English or am I just writing like so, so, but they don't really say anything 730 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,880 just because I'm from Poland. 731 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:06,880 Yeah. 732 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,400 No, like our graders, our lecturers didn't hold back. 733 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:11,400 Yeah. 734 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,400 If you were crap, you were crap. 735 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,520 Like there was no, like, there was no leave. 736 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,520 We were in a freeway with us. 737 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,240 So you had to be, there was no, there was no room for error. 738 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:20,680 You had to be particular. 739 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,320 And like for me, we were all particularly in our own ways. 740 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,600 So you were like, like quality control at the end. 741 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:28,600 Yeah. 742 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,440 Me, I, if an idea wasn't good enough, I wouldn't move on. 743 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,560 I was stubborn for sure. 744 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,200 I was always like, no, no, we can do better. 745 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,200 We could do better. 746 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,200 Yeah. 747 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,200 And my, again, everything aesthetically, please. 748 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:48,680 That's why I said we all kind of, we, we all have our own job roles. 749 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:54,040 And that's not to say that Myra is in very particular and she's, her work is always on 750 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,320 the highest quality and I learned what I learned from her. 751 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,880 She is, she got like the highest mark out of all of us. 752 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:00,880 Absolutely. 753 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:01,880 She was one of the best. 754 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,880 She's just as clever, even better. 755 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,880 Yeah, even better than that. 756 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,480 Basically, that's what we're trying to say. 757 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:15,760 I just had this thought right now as we started talking about why we came into the course 758 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,440 and you're saying how all of us were so driven, even though there were so many things happening 759 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:26,160 in our personal lives, there were really heavy stuff on all of us, our plates. 760 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:31,600 And it's so interesting, but it is true that all of us wanted to prove something to ourselves. 761 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:32,600 And that's it. 762 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,680 And that was the drive. 763 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,000 And that was making us be like, okay, yeah, there's this emotional stuff that's going on. 764 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,800 And it's really difficult. 765 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,360 But right now I am really set on proving my point. 766 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,480 And right now I'm really going to focus on studying and I'm really going to focus on 767 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,440 getting that master's. 768 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:55,000 And I really wanted, I personally really wanted to have a first because I felt like that's 769 00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:00,880 an impossible great to achieve when I was doing my undergraduate studies. 770 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,360 So yeah. 771 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,040 And I did manage to get a first. 772 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:07,880 Thank you. 773 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,320 I was so irritated. 774 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:10,320 I was so irritated. 775 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,720 My mom died because I was just like, I was en route to getting a first. 776 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,800 And then everything just went for me. 777 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:23,560 But I did finish with the two one, which is better than my BA anyway, which is great. 778 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:29,920 And so yeah, I finished because look, I could have extended my degree, but I was done. 779 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,280 I was ready to just like be done with all of this. 780 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:41,040 I just wanted to say that I think, yeah, you maybe didn't get a first, but at the end, 781 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,920 like this is literally just a score in a way. 782 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,240 I know that you wanted to get the best out of the best because all of us did. 783 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,560 And I felt like that in the moment as well. 784 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:55,000 But the reality is that you put 100% of your work and you did as much as you could. 785 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,560 And the fact that you still got a two one, you still finished your dissertation after 786 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,040 your mom died. 787 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,040 That's just mad. 788 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,080 I don't know how you did it. 789 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,120 And I feel like I did. 790 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:12,440 I do want to congratulate you on even just that you finished your masters. 791 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:13,440 That's mad. 792 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,440 Bro, thanks. 793 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,440 Thanks. 794 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,440 This is crazy. 795 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,960 Like, yeah, I know. 796 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,680 I don't want to relive that moment again. 797 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,480 No, it's too intense. 798 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:28,000 Because I at the same time, I started a job as a digital marketing executive. 799 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,680 It's just intense as well. 800 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:37,440 So and converting around so yeah, I just, oh yeah, it was that. 801 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,160 It was like intense. 802 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,680 And actually as well, I found the start of studios. 803 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,360 I was like, I was on adrenaline. 804 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,440 Like the way I cope with life is just work through it. 805 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,200 As you could tell with the theme of our masters, the more life throws at us, the more we go, 806 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,760 right, we're going to get bill of marks, bill of marks. 807 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,400 Literally, that was it. 808 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,400 That was it. 809 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:04,480 Thank you so much for watching part one of episode four of the Lawn Experience podcast. 810 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,240 I hope you thoroughly enjoyed it. 811 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:09,560 If you did, please give this episode a thumbs up. 812 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,760 If you're watching on YouTube, comment in the comment section below. 813 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,880 What can you relate to in this episode with your masters or your undergrad that you'd 814 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:17,880 like to share? 815 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:18,880 Please comment down in the section below. 816 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,280 I have decided to split this episode into two parts. 817 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,920 We'll see you next week for part two of episode four. 818 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,920 See you later. 819 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:55,920 Bye.