Hi everyone, welcome to episode 4 of the Lawn Experience podcast.
I'm your host Tasha and look at who we have today.
Oh my god, Paula is in the house.
I can't believe this is happening right now.
I'm so excited and I'm also really nervous but I hope that by the time we're like, she's
gonna get into it, everything's just gonna go away.
There's just gonna be a conversation.
This is always just a conversation.
So okay, a little bit of a background.
Firstly before we get into Miss Paula.
So I did say that this podcast is for entrepreneurs and digital marketers and now Paula and I
were in the same masters together.
Today's episode is gonna be so good because Paula and I have different backgrounds but
we both did the same masters.
So we're just gonna talk about our entry level into our masters, like our backgrounds.
And then if there's any aspiring digital marketers that's kind of going through the same experiences,
this is something that you can relate to of course because that's the aim of the podcast.
But not just that, there's also if you want to establish a career and you're kind of like,
oh should I go into the space of digital marketing or should I start my own business?
Like where should I be?
So we're gonna try to answer and talk about many topics as possible in today's podcast.
But as always, there's no script, there is just conversation.
So therefore you don't have to be nervous.
Lovely, I love that.
And also it makes me feel like a little bit of a celebrity because like why am I just
talking to a microphone and being recorded?
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, I'm not just famous right now.
Bro, we're always famous, okay?
So actually what I want everybody to do please is please subscribe.
If we get a hundred likes, Paula is gonna do more episodes with me.
I was so scared like what am I gonna do?
Yes, of course always.
Tell everybody about yourself.
Right, so my name is Paula.
I am a digital marketer and I was just telling Tasha how much I don't feel like Juan.
But that's just me self sabotaging straight away right here, right now.
Just because I don't have a job in marketing.
Do you know what I mean? I feel like a lot of people might actually feel the same way
about it because after I finished uni with you, I've been basically just stuck in the
job search area.
Last week's episode we learned about, oh I've got a helper and Paula is coming to work with
me with my business, Law and Media.
And this is what we're gonna get in today is that Paula now does, she's been a year,
it's been a year since we've graduated and Paula has been trying so much to get a job
and unfortunately the industry has failed her.
This is why we wanna talk about it.
Why can't Paula get a job?
I think there is a lot of reasons for that.
So just really quickly I have an undergrad in marketing with management and then I did
a master's.
Where did you do that?
So I did that in Naber-Ruswiff University.
I am originally from Poland so I moved here when I was 19 specifically because I wanted
to study marketing in Naber-Ruswiff University and it was a joint course, it's Marketing
with Management.
And then later on because I actually really fell in love with marketing and the first
few years were really just adjusting to the new culture, to the new language because obviously
English is not my first language and it was so much different to what I was expecting
it to be because I thought that I'm quite good in English.
When I was at school I was getting straight A's and you know what not.
But turns out that in real life it's slightly different.
Everyone has a different accent and also I was coming into my adulthood as well.
This was the first time I was living alone and it's in a different country so basically
what I'm trying to say is that even though I did get a 2-1 in my course I didn't feel
like I retained any of that knowledge.
A lot of me doing my undergrad was just being a stress ball, feeling like I'm not good
enough, feeling like I actually am not as good as my other course mates are getting
so much better grades that I am getting and yeah, it was a lot.
So I decided okay I want to do a master's course because one I like marketing too, I
feel like I need to redo my uni experience in a way.
That's so weird.
I know.
I feel the same.
Yeah.
It's so crazy because I did my BA in audio production and I didn't feel good enough because
oh my goodness, life.
Why do you go through like a whole evolution of a person when you do a degree?
Honestly, it's so difficult.
It's growing out, right?
It's so difficult.
And I felt like I was losing my mind.
I wanted to do my master's again.
I really didn't know this about you.
Interesting.
I wanted to do my master's as a reset round two because I felt like my BA, I wasn't good
enough.
Yeah, literally.
Sorry, I was just kind of like that's so cool.
It is really interesting because obviously you did something completely different.
I was still doing marketing.
I just didn't feel like I actually retained any of that knowledge so I didn't feel confident
enough to actually try and look for a job at the moment after I finished uni.
So I decided to do master's and because I finished my undergrad just as the pandemic
started, with pandemic came digital transformation, right?
And what came with that mean everything is online and marketing and digital marketing
specifically just boomed.
So I knew I really wanted to do digital marketing.
And yeah, there I was with Tasha on my course.
Okay, I want to actually talk about how we met.
Oh my God.
Oh my God, okay.
So context, we need to fill everybody in.
You went into your master's because of digital transformation, like the digital boomed.
My choice for going into the master's was I wanted to make sure, like I touch on this
on episode one so we won't dive into it deeply.
But moral of the story is I googled strategic digital marketing because I looked at the
pay slip of like, okay, what income am I guaranteed?
I just didn't want to be jobless again.
So if you have a master's, you're like guaranteed 35, 40K, 40K plus type of thing.
I was in South Africa at the time and we did like loads of like team meetings online and
Paula and Myra, we met through meetings like teams.
Well, basically, in a way, it wasn't really like teams just because it was lectures still.
So it's not like I am in a group with you and I can just talk to you specifically.
It's more like there is a question asked to the class and Tasha is answering so I can
hear her and she, as you probably know by now because this is episode four, is very expressive.
She's really out there.
She's really outgoing.
So you know Tasha, you just know, you know who Tasha is, even though you've only like
you're only online, you don't even know her face.
All you know is the name is Tasha under every single responses being typed in and you know
that Tasha is going to answer every single question.
And that's amazing.
But really funnily, I don't know, I still don't understand how that happened.
But in the induction day that Tasha didn't make because she was in South Africa, myself
and our other coursemate, Myra, we were sitting there and we were swearing on our lives, okay,
me and Myra, that there was a girl called Tasha and this whole time we thought that she's
Tasha, that she's you basically.
So online, she's always very active.
She's always answering every question.
She's being very outgoing again, like very big personality.
And then in the classes, she's always quiet.
She never says anything.
She's just like sitting there and that's it.
And we're like, what is, what is up with that?
Why don't you just say something in the class?
Like, what's the difference?
And then Tasha arrives and we're like, wait, is there two Tashas?
Is it just one Tasha?
Who is the other girl?
And to this day, I actually, I feel really bad, but I actually don't know what that girl's
name is.
Okay.
And it's just, I don't, I don't know how that happened, but it wasn't just me.
So I didn't make that up.
It was both me and Myra had the same idea.
We'll get Myra on the podcast as I'm pointed to.
She'll be sat right here next time.
Yeah.
We interrogate her as well.
That's so, honestly, it was so funny because we were just, we were like, we need to tell
you about this because it's so crazy.
I remember, I remember you telling me and I just laughed because I thought those are
so funny.
What you see is what you get, what you hear is what you get.
I am the same person.
Yeah.
So for any future people, you'll see exactly the same energy.
But yeah, so I remember like, I moved here.
Finally, I got let into the country because it was just so annoying.
And then I had no place to live.
I stormed into Jonathan Deacon's freaking business model campus exercise.
I've got, I don't know what's going on this campus.
He's so confusing and the forest and then Myra and Paula comes over and they're like,
are you touched?
And I'm like, yeah.
They were like, oh my goodness.
I would have loved to know what went through my mind at that point.
That's so funny.
I actually don't remember.
I don't remember the first time that we saw you, but I just remember the confusion and
I remember that it wasn't just me.
So something was up.
I don't know.
Let's talk about the masters.
So we've met each other and how did you find the experience in comparison to your undergrad?
It was very different, but it's because I was in a very different place and I had a different
mindset.
As I said before, when I was doing my undergrad, I had to readjust into the new country, not
like support net or anything really.
I mean, I came with two of my friends from back home and they were quite good friends
and they were the ones who showed me a burst with university.
They were the ones that showed me the course.
Really interestingly, I wasn't ever planning on coming to the UK.
I really wanted to study in Warsaw and I really wanted to do this Korean study course, but
I didn't get into that one.
I got into the American Studies one, which I applied for only because they said that
the lectures are going to be run in English and I thought, okay, this is a good opportunity
for me to be more fluent in English and that would be my only reason to really do that
other than I actually don't know what my interests are.
I wanted to do marketing, but I couldn't really find any courses in Warsaw that I would like
or that no one really was doing marketing at the time.
I don't know why, but that's just how it was in Poland.
And so they come to me and they showed me a burst with university and that they have
a marketing course.
So I was like, okay, why not apply?
The fee was 25 pounds, so it wasn't very expensive.
So I was like, okay, I'm just going to apply and see what happens and then I got into the
course.
And I'm saying that because that really, in hindsight, I didn't realize it at the time
at all, but in hindsight, it really affected my uni and my studies and what I was learning
even.
One thing is that when I was in high school or college in UK, I never really felt like
I needed to study very hard because I have quite good memories.
So I was just winging everything and I had good grades, but uni is not like that.
You actually need to study.
And that was a transition that I needed to make and it took some time for me to be like,
okay, I need to be very disciplined and study.
So that was one of the things that I felt really bad about, but also my anxiety, my
mental health was also a big one because that's when I discovered that I have an anxiety
disorder and it was some really difficult years for me.
So all of those things that were happening outside of the uni impacted what I got out
of it.
And that's why I felt, okay, I didn't retain any of the knowledge.
I don't feel confident going into the job market.
I don't feel confident being a marketer.
So I decided to do a masters.
When I was looking for my masters course, as I said, it was the pandemic.
So I wanted to do a digital marketing course and there weren't that many in Wales.
I needed to stay in Wales because that was the only country in the UK that would be offering
a student loan for me because I'm from Poland, which is an EU member.
And I came to the UK before Brexit.
So they were offering student loans for us.
And then as Brexit happened in 2020, just before the pandemic started, the rules were
changed and basically the EU students would have to pay as much money as the international
students.
And it's quite a lot of money.
I actually didn't know that.
It's quite a lot of money.
And basically the majority of my student loan would go into it.
So I needed to stay in Wales.
That was one thing.
Second thing, I needed to find a uni that would give me a discount because there were
some universities like the one that we went to and Swansea, I believe, where the two that
I was looking at that were offering the discount for EU students that would allow me to still
pay the same fees as the local students.
Swansea didn't have a digital marketing course.
It had a strategic marketing course and USW had a digital marketing course.
And I think also there was some kind of some different marketing courses, but it doesn't
really matter.
The decision was then easy because I'm like, okay, I want to, I really want to do the digital
marketing course.
Not only that, USW is also situated near Cardiff.
So I really wanted to be somewhere close, a big city.
Yeah.
That's so crazy.
Like, oh my goodness, we have so similar.
Like, I was just thinking about when you said school and you didn't really like, honestly,
I was partying every weekend, exam time.
I was raving.
I wasn't doing that.
I was raving.
And then I was getting like A's and B's and I was just like, whatever, because I could
rotate.
Like I, I did my due diligence doing like I did my homework and stuff.
So like there's only so many times you can revise for that knowledge to go in and then
I'll be like, I've got it now.
You know what I mean?
Or like, I'll just go through notes at five o'clock in the morning before the exam and
then do it.
Yeah.
Literally that's what I was doing exactly the same thing.
I would just read the textbook the night before, not even the day before.
I would start at 10 p.m. and then I would finish at like one or two, maybe three.
Three would be like really pushing it.
And then the next day I would still get a good grade.
And that was all I needed to do.
This explains all our assignments, by the way, because like honestly, all of us, we
worked until the last minute, right?
And that's the thing.
It's like, it's like, I always want to be that organized student.
Oh my goodness.
I'm doing all my, all my tasks that I need to on a weekly basis.
I've got everything, every four hours so that you're not stressed by the deadline.
Jonathan's module I wrote in like 48 hours.
No, I was really set on it because I really hate that I have that habit of leaving things
for the last minute.
And that was one of my, one of my goals actually for the masters to not do it.
And I was being very, very dedicated to it at the beginning and then the later on the
reality caught up with me and everything was being left until the last minute again.
But it is also because I started doing part-time waitressing.
So I had less time and then with less time also comes less energy.
So yeah.
You said now it's different times.
You've gone from, okay, new country, new barriers.
Actually now it's like transition of different friends as well.
Different area.
And we're now in Traforrest.
We're studying a masters.
How was your first like the term?
Like when we did the research, our first assignment was hard.
I personally felt it was so hard.
The istypology, I can't even say that properly now.
Oh my goodness.
And your anthropology, freaking hell.
I was like, damn, I mean the masters now.
No, yeah.
That was a very, like it was a wake up call for sure.
But I think it was good that that was our first assignment because that was like, okay.
There's no play time, honestly, masters, especially we, our masters was a year.
Actually the first time I was really, really disciplined.
Yeah.
Like regardless of how many challenges we went through, I was so focused to also prove
a point to myself.
Exactly.
I, that's, that was literally my point.
I need to prove to myself that I can do it because if I can't, then all of my dark thoughts
and all of the intrusive thoughts are real.
Yes.
That was my biggest, biggest fear.
Yeah.
Okay.
What was your favorite modules?
Like out of the mosses?
I hate that question just because I, I have my own grievances, I guess with the course.
My first grievance is that it's called digital marketing and there was barely any digital.
I'm really sad about it.
And also because there was so little digital, it was kind of a repetition of what I've already
learned in my undergrad.
Kind of.
And Jonathan was definitely the star of our course, I want to say.
Yeah.
Because it's not even like, I guess his modules, I haven't done consultancy before.
So I definitely learned some, a lot of new things, even our, what was the module called
with Louise?
It was branding and the, what the crisis one?
Yeah.
Crisis management.
Sorry.
No offense.
Like the branding element was amazing because we got to win that challenge, which is so
cool.
I love that.
But the crisis, the fact that the course is strategic digital marketing and I'm learning
about how to handle a crisis, I get it in terms of big corporations.
If you're the only marketing department, I totally get it.
Like in terms of everyday life now, I totally get it.
But I really would have preferred something more digital.
Like all our digital marketing was online.
You have to self-learn.
Like I went into the masters already self-teaching myself so much that I wanted someone to teach
me what I didn't know.
So like HubSpot was a partner, Hootsuite was a partner and they have courses that we had
to go do online and then Google analytics, all these things.
But like during term time, there's just no time to do all these things unless you're
disciplined, like if they were like right, also to back it up in their defense.
I did get a bit of background information about the course.
So this course was being pushed for the last 10 years for this course to have a course.
That's why I said Wales doesn't really have digital marketing and all this stuff.
So this was the first of its kind.
We were the test, we were like the pilot project.
If you have a set class time, okay, Friday, you're in class, you've got to do this.
We all do it.
So if you go, oh, South Study, it's kind of like, of course, masters, they're not there
to hold your hand.
But in terms of structure, I needed structure.
I had discipline and I never had it at all.
Like I would be rather sleeping or something.
And that's what it is because obviously, so that was one module that you're talking about
personal and professional development.
Suggestion of what we could do in our own time to further our knowledge, do all of those
extra courses like the ones from Hootsuite, like you said, or HubSpot or any other partners,
like, I don't know, Google and all of those courses, right, which are really useful.
And do you do any certificates?
How many did you walk away with?
Oh, gosh.
Do you want to know how many I, well, I did.
I want to say three when I was still at uni and I was still doing my masters.
And then after I did one more.
I did one.
Fair enough.
And I did it afterwards.
And that's why I wanted to say is that masters is really intense.
So if you get a chance to find module out of five modules, let's say that you can basically
just sleep through, you're going to do it because you need to sleep.
You are working so hard on the assignment last night or it's really intense.
You need to be really disciplined.
And with the personal and professional development module tells you, these are some resources
that we have extra resources and you have full access to them whenever you want to them,
whenever you have some free time.
And in my case, well, I was doing uni.
I was also working part time.
I have a boyfriend and at some time in February, so somewhere halfway through the course, we
got a dog.
So there was a lot of stuff happening outside of uni.
And I was really dedicating all of my energy to just doing the assignments as best, the
best as I could.
Because as I said before, I wanted to prove to myself that I can do it.
I'm not going to have acid.
I'm not going to just fall back into doing everything last minute.
There was a big difference.
Don't get me wrong.
Even though I was doing some of the assignments last minute, but for me, last minute in masters
was starting, let's say, three or four days before the deadline.
Whereas my last minute in my undergrad was doing it the night before.
Yeah.
The thing is, the course layout was very intense.
Like I know obviously we can joke and stuff like that, but it was like, okay, yeah, it's
four weeks of learning, two weeks off, four weeks on, two weeks off.
And you've got two assignments.
So you've got a halfway point of...
Two assignments per module.
So you've got halfway point after two weeks, there's like a halfway assignment.
And then the next one, all they're both at the end of the four weeks.
And some of it is like, I spent a lot of my time in the library actually, like for, it
was just like firstly, Trafalse library is so good.
I love it.
But what I didn't get in my BA that I got with my masters is that I got to live my extra
uni life where you could walk two seconds to the library and the campus.
And in London, I was traveling an hour into campus every day because I was so many different
circumstances.
I was living south of London.
My uni was in Hagerston in the shortage area.
And my job was south London because I was working part time.
Ideally I wish I was closer, but the rent and stuff was difficult and like jobs and
blah, blah, blah.
The list goes on.
But I never got that experience.
And then Intraforest because it's like super nature.
It's just so nice.
I got to experience that.
So our masters though, you had to, like I spend a lot of my time reading certain books because
some of these concepts, like I went into this with no marketing background, only self-taught.
So all of these concepts, I had to go like, what the hell are they talking about?
Like research, research.
So like the personal development aspect, I didn't care about because I was like, firstly,
I've done two years of self teaching myself digital marketing.
I never came to this course to self certify.
I came to actually learn.
So I spent all my time because I thought to myself, when I finish my university, I'll
do the certification again.
Because it was just so exhausting going from like intense learning, four weeks of a new
topic, and then Simon's got to complete it, got to be like first because that's our pedestal
we put ourselves on.
And that rolling over and over and over.
By the end of it, you're just kind of like, I'm over it.
I'm just, I'm done.
I'm done.
So I couldn't do certifications at all.
I didn't.
I refused to.
And that's fair enough.
There were some people that were very on it and we had those people.
Amazing.
They're really, really brilliant people.
They also, I think their time management skills are so much better than mine because I don't
know how they did all of those certificates.
Well, it's different, right?
Okay.
I will say this.
So if you have a stable home, it's different.
Yeah.
Like when you've got family here, you have a move.
So we both and even Myra, we are all three from different countries.
Like this is not a home country.
It's like, even though I've been here longer than you, it doesn't matter.
It's still the same principle is that my assumption is a lot of people that did have good time
management skills, they were close to home.
Yeah.
True.
No, I fully understand that.
And I, and I agree.
I think that I was thinking that was the reason as well because yeah, you were saying, okay,
you've been here longer than I have, but you weren't living in Wales ever.
You went into Traforist.
There was a new place, you didn't know anyone there, you know, and that's just one aspect.
There was so many things going on in your life as well.
Yeah.
So like my mom was dying basically during my master's.
So in South Africa, so I found out that the May she passed away and then like things just
changed for me completely.
Like masters.
I honestly, I have no idea how I got through it, but I did.
I like the thing is, this is the thing with us.
We all were going through our own personal problems, like all of us.
And they were all happening back home.
It was so annoying.
Like, like honestly, because we didn't, we, all of three of us didn't really share a lot.
We were just like, we almost like, when we got to with each other, we're like, right,
masters.
I don't know.
I got that impression where we were both like, we were both, we were all three like just
very fierce and just like, yeah, now's the time not to deal with our feelings.
Now's the time to be with each other and deal with uni life and all of that.
It was like, we all have a very similar coping mechanism.
So I've got a question for you.
Okay.
What did you think of our dynamic?
Our three dynamic?
Because obviously there's like a third person here that was always with us as well.
Like what did you, what did you, what did you think of the dynamic?
Obviously I met, met Myra before I met you, I met her on the induction day and instantly
we just like hang out together.
I think obviously it's because I'm here alone.
She's here alone.
There's a lot of people there.
They are alone.
And we kind of gravitated towards each other and it's really funny.
And I, what she would say is because when we were asked to tell a little bit about ourselves,
I said that I am a little bit of an introvert and I'm more, I usually just listen rather
than speak whatever.
I'm just shy naturally, but I'm also an introvert, whatever.
But she really picked up on that and she was like, she's going to be my friend.
And this really funny because I was kind of like following her, not, not really on purpose.
It's just because I was, I didn't know where I'm going.
I didn't know the campus at all.
So I'm like, okay, I need to follow the crowd.
And she was the first one there.
So I'm just following her and we just like started talking.
And I guess that it just worked out that way.
And later we found out that we actually really similar.
And also I, I think the reason that why all three of us felt connected in a way is because
all of us are from different countries and we know the struggle is really difficult starting
being on your own in a different country and trying to, you know, live your life like that.
So because Myra was really freshly, like she was, she was basically like off the airport
coming to the, you know, coming to the UK and start the master's madness.
So she's really new in the country.
So I felt like I know what it feels like.
I know what it is like to be an, well, an immigrant is that's what it's called.
And I'm, and I just decided, okay, well, I'm going to just help her out.
Why not?
And it turns out that we're really similar and we have similar interests and it just
worked out that way.
But with you, it was so much different because as I was saying, you're very outgoing, you're
very out there.
Everyone, when you walk into the room, there's not one person that's going to miss it.
And I am the other way around.
I feel like I always hide in the corner.
I never really speak up that much.
Well, it's different in the master's course because I promised myself that I'm going to
be, I'm going to stand out because I was really scared to be lost in the crowd again.
Oh yeah.
I had an opinion.
I loved it.
I did.
You did.
She challenged me sometimes.
I loved it.
That's why I loved it so much.
I was like, Bru, I love it.
Honestly.
Yeah, because I do have opinions and I just felt like I need to actually just get it
out there.
I need to get over this fear because it is all in my head.
And I know it's difficult, but the only way to actually get over it is to do it, you
know.
And the amount of times I was on online classes, right?
So I don't even have the camera on.
No one can see me.
And I'm about to type in my answer and my heart is going like that.
I'm literally stressing out so much, but I'm like, I'm going to type it out.
I'm going to send it.
And it's just there, you know, and it's done.
I don't have to look at it.
So I just had to actually force myself to be like that, right?
Which is more a bit more natural for you.
Yeah.
So because we're so different, when I first met you, I was like, I'm going to hate her.
She's so loud.
You know, she's like, she's everything that I'm not.
So obviously it's a threat, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's so silly looking back at it because really funnily I was thinking of Daemon the
same way.
Daemon is my partner.
So the first time that I met him, I was also like, oh, I hate him.
But it's only because you're the opposite of me.
Obviously when I met you and I actually spoke to you, you're really cool.
You're really nice.
And you are very enthusiastic, which I am not in a way.
Like I tend to always think of all of the negative stuff, like what can go wrong, what
I can't do, and you're the opposite.
So in that sense, I really love your enthusiasm.
But we had a chance to work together in a group and I think that's when I started noticing
what I can learn from you.
And there's a lot of, a lot that I can learn from you.
And yet you had so much, so many ideas and in my head, I'm like, okay, that's way too
much.
We need to narrow it down.
We need to actually get to the point.
And I think that was like at the very beginning when I didn't really know you that well, that
was the main second difference between the way that you work and the way that I work.
Because I'm really particular.
I need to have everything just written out and I need to go from step one to step whatever
10.
When you, you just go, okay, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, these are my ideas and about
all of the steps at the same time and none of them at the same time.
So we just needed, well, we just needed to work from that.
But because you had also so many ideas, this was giving me something like a starting point.
Because for me, the issue is actually starting every time because you're so out there and
because you're so different than me.
I have so much to learn from you.
The room, as I said, you walk into the room, no one's gonna, everyone's gonna see it.
Everyone's gonna notice.
Everyone's, it just feels your presence.
Anytime we had any guest speakers, he would always ask a lot of questions.
And I'm not saying that, like I didn't ask any questions, but it's just the way that
you are, the way that everyone is gonna remember Tasha.
Whether, whereas when I'm asking questions, I feel like I need to first make myself come
up with a question because I don't know, I don't know why, but often when someone's speaking,
I'm just like, okay, you know, like that's all the knowledge that you wanted to share
with me.
And that's all that I'm gonna take.
It's different with lectures because then I'm gonna inquire and I'm gonna wanna learn
as much as I can and I'm gonna, you know, my brain's gonna work.
When there is a guest speaker, I'm just like, okay, you're telling me about your business,
which is cool.
I don't know anything about that.
All of that you said is new to me, so I'm satisfied with that.
Even if I do ask a question, I feel like it would just be a case of, oh, actually, can
you just tell me about that?
And they would be like, yeah, this is that.
And that's it.
And I don't think they would remember, oh yeah, Paula asked me that question.
It could be any other person.
Because as I said, with you, it's like everyone knows, you know, I do it.
In my life, I realized that you never know when someone will be your future key partner.
It's like a tactic I do.
It's a strategic way because funny enough, I'm introverted too.
I can be.
But when I'm, it's like, I have this, so I have this never ending drive from South Africa
to prove a point, to be successful, to be something.
So for me, I like, I've grown up with myself to know what are my strengths and what my
weaknesses are.
My strength is networking.
I can literally start over anywhere, anytime, anyhow, because I will network way around
to get what I want, when I want to, because I need resources.
I don't have them.
So it's like a strategy.
It's like I'm strategic in what I do.
And I want everybody to leave the room.
Like I want to leave a room and people go, I know exactly who Tasha is.
Like it's a, it's a skill.
But funny enough, I never, I never used to be like that.
In my younger twenties, like I used to at school, like in my school where I was comfortable,
yes, but when you were like, oh my goodness in London, where everybody's so much bigger
and you're nothing.
Wow.
I, do you know, I would be the quiet one, just listening and absorbing and just scared
to have an opinion, but always thinking like exactly what you're thinking.
But I soon realized that to get what you want, you need to show up and you're, you totally
practice it too, you know what I mean?
And you did like, you did have a look, like Jonathan totally remembers you.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, exactly.
Like, which is amazing.
And you're right.
Like I also, I still have this problem.
I'm an idea generator.
I, I have, like it's really sometimes difficult to work with myself.
That's funny.
I love that.
Oh, it's so difficult to work with me too.
It's just, it's just, it's no idea.
I was just telling my, my, my work friend today, Rob, I was saying, sometimes I have
to run after myself.
It really annoys me because I'll go on to, it's like I'm ping ponging with myself and
it's so frustrating.
It's like, I can't keep up.
So I, I really, and what I feel like I could learn from you, Paula is very, she's got a
great eye for detail, really good eye for detail.
Like I really loved your analytical.
Like I felt like me and you were a lot more analytical together and that's what really
attracted me to you.
It was like, you challenged me.
For me, my curious mind likes a challenge, like a good, healthy challenge.
Yeah.
Right.
So I go, oh, but why is she saying this?
Like, what is your point?
What are you trying to say?
Is there a perspective that I can learn from or am I being, being naive or biased in this
moment?
Like all the time.
I do like, for me, I love intellectual stimulation, big time.
So for me, that was a massive plus.
You got a great eye for detail and actually fun enough Paula's second language is English.
My first language is English yet I am like basically got dyslexia.
So I, I'm really bad at English.
Like in terms of writing it, I always have loads of mistakes and Paula had a great way
of, oh, you, she was like chief editor.
Yes.
Yeah.
She was chief editor.
So someone's second language.
Yeah, it's, you know what I mean?
Like she's rockstar good.
So that was like, and then Myra was very creative, very creative.
She was very visual.
Very visual.
So we gave visual, visual Myra the, that, that, uh, like I didn't mind at all.
Like I was like, no, give me, give me, give me more thinking.
Yeah.
Um, and ideas.
Yeah.
Ideas and thinking for me.
No, none of this like editing.
The thing is, it's only because I'm so particular.
And I always, I'm, everything needs to tie together and everything needs to be, to look
like one person did this.
Because when you're working in a group and you're doing it for a university, there's
going to be a lot of different people.
They're coming from different backgrounds.
They have different ideas of what, like even how to approach, uh, writing a piece of assignment.
Everyone has such different styles, but you can just put it all together, copy and paste
and submit it and make it and just say, oh, we did this because that's not, it's not what
it is about.
It's, this is masters.
Like we said, like we need to actually make sure that this looks professional and this
looks put together.
So for me, I am always obsessing about that.
So I was like, I am going to be the person to edit this because yeah, English is my second
language, but I guess in a way it's an advantage because I learned the grammar, I learned the
spelling and I learned everything.
A big influence on me was also my partner because he was, um, he was checking some of
my assignments and some of my emails because I had a big, uh, security of writing emails
in English because this is something that we weren't really taught in English classes.
And of course you always had an email to this person, but it's different when it's an assignment
and somehow I learned that from him checking my work and I finally was able to find the
things that, um, could be better, could be set better or maybe they needed some editing
and I get, yeah, so I would say a hundred percent I learned that from him.
And that's why I brought with me to my master's because that, I guess that wasn't one of my
insecurities in my undergrad as well is, is that I never knew whether I'm actually writing
properly in English or am I just writing like so, so, but they don't really say anything
just because I'm from Poland.
Yeah.
No, like our graders, our lecturers didn't hold back.
Yeah.
If you were crap, you were crap.
Like there was no, like, there was no leave.
We were in a freeway with us.
So you had to be, there was no, there was no room for error.
You had to be particular.
And like for me, we were all particularly in our own ways.
So you were like, like quality control at the end.
Yeah.
Me, I, if an idea wasn't good enough, I wouldn't move on.
I was stubborn for sure.
I was always like, no, no, we can do better.
We could do better.
Yeah.
And my, again, everything aesthetically, please.
That's why I said we all kind of, we, we all have our own job roles.
And that's not to say that Myra is in very particular and she's, her work is always on
the highest quality and I learned what I learned from her.
She is, she got like the highest mark out of all of us.
Absolutely.
She was one of the best.
She's just as clever, even better.
Yeah, even better than that.
Basically, that's what we're trying to say.
I just had this thought right now as we started talking about why we came into the course
and you're saying how all of us were so driven, even though there were so many things happening
in our personal lives, there were really heavy stuff on all of us, our plates.
And it's so interesting, but it is true that all of us wanted to prove something to ourselves.
And that's it.
And that was the drive.
And that was making us be like, okay, yeah, there's this emotional stuff that's going on.
And it's really difficult.
But right now I am really set on proving my point.
And right now I'm really going to focus on studying and I'm really going to focus on
getting that master's.
And I really wanted, I personally really wanted to have a first because I felt like that's
an impossible great to achieve when I was doing my undergraduate studies.
So yeah.
And I did manage to get a first.
Thank you.
I was so irritated.
My mom died because I was just like, I was en route to getting a first.
And then everything just went for me.
But I did finish with the two one, which is better than my BA anyway, which is great.
And so yeah, I finished because look, I could have extended my degree, but I was done.
I was ready to just like be done with all of this.
I just wanted to say that I think, yeah, you maybe didn't get a first, but at the end,
like this is literally just a score in a way.
I know that you wanted to get the best out of the best because all of us did.
And I felt like that in the moment as well.
But the reality is that you put 100% of your work and you did as much as you could.
And the fact that you still got a two one, you still finished your dissertation after
your mom died.
That's just mad.
I don't know how you did it.
And I feel like I did.
I do want to congratulate you on even just that you finished your masters.
That's mad.
Bro, thanks.
Thanks.
This is crazy.
Like, yeah, I know.
I don't want to relive that moment again.
No, it's too intense.
Because I at the same time, I started a job as a digital marketing executive.
It's just intense as well.
So and converting around so yeah, I just, oh yeah, it was that.
It was like intense.
And actually as well, I found the start of studios.
I was like, I was on adrenaline.
Like the way I cope with life is just work through it.
As you could tell with the theme of our masters, the more life throws at us, the more we go,
right, we're going to get bill of marks, bill of marks.
Literally, that was it.
That was it.
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