1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,600 Hi, my name's Alex Duncan. 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,720 I'm the creator of Hovering and the voice of Kyle. 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,560 Hovering has joined the Apollo Plus podcast platform. 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:13,080 If you subscribe to Apollo Plus, you'll get access to new additional 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,880 content, extra mini scenes we're recording and also behind the scenes 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,480 interviews with the cast and creatives that came together to make Hovering. 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,520 So you can support us by joining Apollo Plus through the Apollo 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,560 podcasts app or by going to apollopods.com. 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:33,040 Hovering was created and recorded on the unceded lands of the Boon Wurrung 10 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:35,320 and Moorundjeri peoples of the Kulin nation. 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,640 People who have a proud and incredible history of storytelling, 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,400 stretching back thousands of years. 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,840 This always was and always will be Aboriginal land. 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,160 Hovering is intended for a mature audience. 15 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:56,320 It contains strong language and adult themes, including 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,120 references to sex and drug use. 17 00:00:58,360 --> 00:00:59,880 Listener discretion is advised. 18 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:16,840 Alex Duncan and Plot Twist present Hovering, episode three, Suspicious Behaviour. 19 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:46,840 Interview with Leonard O'Lagan, Monday, the 2nd of September, 10.23am. 20 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:51,040 Okay. 21 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,760 So why were you speeding? 22 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:56,320 I'm really sorry. 23 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,160 I wasn't thinking. 24 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:01,400 You could have killed someone. 25 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:02,160 Yeah. 26 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:03,240 Sorry. 27 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,920 You said you had a panic attack just before I caught you. 28 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:10,120 Hey. 29 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,160 And you called the police station and reported seeing something in the sky. 30 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,040 You later retracted that statement and said you'd had a panic attack. 31 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:20,000 Yeah. 32 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:21,920 And this is all on record. 33 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,640 So you understand if we find out you were loose with the truth, there 34 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:26,920 may be consequences. 35 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:27,720 Sure. 36 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,120 As long as I'm clear on that. 37 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:29,960 Crystal. 38 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:43,400 Leo, when you called the first time to report this thing, which was a mistake. 39 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:43,640 Right. 40 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:44,000 Okay. 41 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,200 Were you alone? 42 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:47,800 Definitely. 43 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:49,680 And where were you? 44 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:51,120 Hey. 45 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,200 I mean, were you at home or I guess you mustn't have been at home 46 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,760 because that's where you said you were headed after when I caught you speeding. 47 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:00,280 Yeah, I wasn't. 48 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:01,160 So where were you? 49 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:05,720 Were you at the beach? 50 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:06,840 Yeah. 51 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:08,680 Which one? 52 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,880 Leo, this is just going to be a lot easier for both of us if you talk to me. 53 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:17,920 Baker's Bay. 54 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:19,400 At the rocks. 55 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,120 That's a pretty secluded area. 56 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,400 What were you doing there? 57 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:24,360 Fishing. 58 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:25,480 On your own? 59 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:26,560 Yeah. 60 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:28,280 Fishing on my own. 61 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:29,760 Lots of people go fishing on their own. 62 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:30,600 What's the big deal? 63 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,880 I thought you got me in here because of speeding. 64 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,800 I'm just trying to understand the situation. 65 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,480 The situation is that I was on the rocks at Baker's Bay fishing and I... 66 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:41,920 Had a panic attack. 67 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:42,640 Yeah. 68 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,480 Was there a particularly big fish? 69 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:51,160 Big fish? Yeah. 70 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,720 Leo, do you recognise this? 71 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:06,160 For the record, I'm now showing Leo a drawing of a round silver thing, 72 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,560 which is synonymous with reports from other witnesses. 73 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:14,560 We have two other witnesses from that night saying they saw something like this in the sky near Baker's Bay. 74 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:20,560 If you didn't see it, maybe you could help us understand how they came up with exactly the same story as you, 75 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:21,720 which you're now denying. 76 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:26,600 I did see it. 77 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,000 You... you did see it? 78 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:34,840 It looked exactly like this. 79 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:39,000 You did see it? It looked exactly like this? 80 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,760 Did it scare you? Is that why you bolted? 81 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:44,840 Yeah. 82 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:47,560 But it was a dream. 83 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:50,480 It felt like a dream? 84 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:50,920 No. 85 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:52,920 It was a dream. 86 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,640 The same dream two other people had at exactly the same time in two separate locations? 87 00:04:58,640 --> 00:04:59,080 Yeah. 88 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:00,280 Yeah. 89 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,560 Leo, who was with you? 90 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,800 I know there was someone there. It was a woman's voice. 91 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,760 I feel unwell, actually. 92 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,160 Do you know Tenille Harris, who works at Deidre's on Short Street? 93 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,960 Can we stop? I don't feel good. I really just don't feel good. 94 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,560 Okay, just tell me about the dream. Did it make a noise? Did you hear... 95 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,440 I need a bucket. 96 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,920 Tell me and I'll get you a bucket. 97 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:37,080 Okay. For the record, Leo has just vomited on the interview desk and floor and chair and my shoes. 98 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:37,960 I'm gonna go. 99 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,440 No, you're not. You can't walk out of here. 100 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,120 It might... your mum said I could go whenever I wanted. She's the boss, right? 101 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,280 Technically, but great. 102 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:05,640 This is Toby Archot. I attempt to bring local law enforcement on board who have failed, 103 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,600 leaving me no choice but to undergo investigation solo. 104 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,120 It could be dangerous. It could be deadly. 105 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,320 I have surrendered my sketch of the incident to the authorities, 106 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,960 but kept other information secret until I can further ascertain their trustworthiness. 107 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,480 This is big. Government infiltration possible, even likely. 108 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:27,800 Hey, Toby. 109 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,040 Oh, hi Hazel. 110 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,080 What are you doing? 111 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:32,600 School project. 112 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:33,400 Can I see? 113 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,760 Oh, sorry. Authorised personnel only. 114 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:39,480 Can I sit with you then? 115 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:44,520 Olivia just made everyone in Mrs. Mead's class play kiss-chasey so she could hook up with Jake 116 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,080 Matchen and now Daniel won't leave me alone. 117 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,360 Okay, but don't talk. 118 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,120 What are you recording? 119 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:55,480 It's classified. 120 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,160 So should I go or...? 121 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,320 No, it's cool. You can hang around. 122 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:04,460 Thanks. 123 00:07:04,460 --> 00:07:07,900 Investigation to be halted until later in the hour. 124 00:07:08,540 --> 00:07:09,740 What are you investigating? 125 00:07:10,220 --> 00:07:11,580 I told you it's classified. 126 00:07:12,460 --> 00:07:16,540 Don't you need to ask people questions if you're investigating something? 127 00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:17,580 Too dangerous. 128 00:07:18,860 --> 00:07:21,020 Maybe I know something you don't know. 129 00:07:21,420 --> 00:07:22,380 Unlikely. 130 00:07:23,900 --> 00:07:25,900 My dad got interviewed by the police this morning. 131 00:07:28,540 --> 00:07:30,700 Investigation re-initiated. 132 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:33,900 He thought I didn't know but I saw the name when the phone lit up. 133 00:07:34,380 --> 00:07:35,100 What was the name? 134 00:07:35,740 --> 00:07:36,380 Coughrenham. 135 00:07:37,820 --> 00:07:39,580 When did you go to bed last night? 136 00:07:41,420 --> 00:07:43,340 Is this a formal interview now? 137 00:07:44,140 --> 00:07:45,900 Um, yeah. 138 00:07:47,020 --> 00:07:49,820 Hazel O'Lagan. Innocent town person. 139 00:07:50,380 --> 00:07:51,420 Popular at school. 140 00:07:52,300 --> 00:07:53,260 She's nice though. 141 00:07:54,380 --> 00:07:55,500 Impressively long hair. 142 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:56,300 Thank you. 143 00:07:56,300 --> 00:08:00,300 Answer the question. 144 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:01,820 What was the question again? 145 00:08:01,820 --> 00:08:03,820 When did you go to bed last night? 146 00:08:03,820 --> 00:08:05,820 Um, night dating. 147 00:08:05,820 --> 00:08:07,820 Why? 148 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:09,820 Did you awaken at any time during the night? 149 00:08:09,820 --> 00:08:11,820 No. 150 00:08:11,820 --> 00:08:13,820 Should I have? 151 00:08:13,820 --> 00:08:15,820 Probably. 152 00:08:15,820 --> 00:08:17,820 Actually I did. I forgot I did. 153 00:08:17,820 --> 00:08:19,820 What awakened you? 154 00:08:19,820 --> 00:08:21,820 Dad coming home. 155 00:08:21,820 --> 00:08:23,820 What time was this? 156 00:08:23,820 --> 00:08:26,460 I don't know. Night time. 157 00:08:26,460 --> 00:08:28,460 Helpful? 158 00:08:28,460 --> 00:08:30,460 I don't know. He was trying not to make noise. 159 00:08:30,460 --> 00:08:32,460 He's been leaving after I've gone to bed lots. 160 00:08:32,460 --> 00:08:36,460 He thinks I don't notice but I can hear the door click shut and the car. 161 00:08:36,460 --> 00:08:38,460 Where does he go? 162 00:08:38,460 --> 00:08:40,460 I don't know. 163 00:08:40,460 --> 00:08:42,460 Interesting. 164 00:08:42,460 --> 00:08:44,460 Interesting. 165 00:08:46,460 --> 00:08:50,460 How did he seem this morning before the police interview? 166 00:08:50,460 --> 00:08:54,460 Normal. But his normal has been pretty weird for a while. 167 00:08:54,460 --> 00:08:58,460 So not more weird than normal? 168 00:08:58,460 --> 00:09:00,460 I guess he kind of did seem more distracted. 169 00:09:00,460 --> 00:09:02,460 Like he'd had a bad night's sleep. 170 00:09:02,460 --> 00:09:04,460 What do you think he did? 171 00:09:04,460 --> 00:09:06,460 Potentially nothing. 172 00:09:06,460 --> 00:09:10,460 I'd say he's probably just a witness. 173 00:09:10,460 --> 00:09:16,460 But it is interesting he's been secretly leaving the premises on a regular basis. 174 00:09:16,460 --> 00:09:22,460 Yeah. For like a month now. Not every night. Like twice a week. 175 00:09:22,460 --> 00:09:28,460 And he normally makes a big deal about that I have to go to bed and put all the lights out and makes a big fuss. 176 00:09:28,460 --> 00:09:30,460 And then leaves? 177 00:09:30,460 --> 00:09:32,460 Yeah. 178 00:09:32,460 --> 00:09:34,460 And then comes back? 179 00:09:34,460 --> 00:09:38,460 Well yeah. He's always there in the morning. Sometimes I don't wake up though. 180 00:09:38,460 --> 00:09:42,460 And have you interrogated him about his behaviour? 181 00:09:42,460 --> 00:09:46,460 Not. 182 00:09:46,460 --> 00:09:48,460 Good. Smart move. 183 00:09:48,460 --> 00:09:52,460 Oh hey. Hazel. Isn't that your dad over there? 184 00:09:52,460 --> 00:09:54,460 Hey. 185 00:09:54,460 --> 00:09:56,460 Oh. Oh yeah. 186 00:09:56,460 --> 00:09:58,460 Hey dad! 187 00:09:58,460 --> 00:10:04,460 He's going to deblock. Totally heard me. 188 00:10:04,460 --> 00:10:06,460 He's pretending not to. 189 00:10:06,460 --> 00:10:12,460 Dad! 190 00:10:12,460 --> 00:10:18,460 Okay Hazel. You can stay here in relative peace and happiness. 191 00:10:18,460 --> 00:10:22,460 Or you can come with me and learn the truth. 192 00:10:22,460 --> 00:10:24,460 What do you choose? 193 00:10:24,460 --> 00:10:26,460 What are you going to do? 194 00:10:26,460 --> 00:10:30,460 I'm going to spy on him. 195 00:10:30,460 --> 00:10:32,460 I'm totally confident. 196 00:10:32,460 --> 00:10:36,460 I'm going to spy on him. 197 00:10:36,460 --> 00:10:40,460 I'm totally coming. 198 00:10:50,460 --> 00:10:52,460 Can you see him? 199 00:10:52,460 --> 00:10:54,460 He's talking to someone down the hall. 200 00:10:54,460 --> 00:10:56,460 Give me a second to get this set up. 201 00:10:56,460 --> 00:11:02,460 They've gone into 7H. He's with Miss Smetan. 202 00:11:02,460 --> 00:11:06,460 I can't see from here. 203 00:11:06,460 --> 00:11:08,460 It's not loud enough. 204 00:11:08,460 --> 00:11:10,460 Pull the window open a bit. 205 00:11:10,460 --> 00:11:12,460 Stay down. 206 00:11:12,460 --> 00:11:14,460 They'll see you. 207 00:11:14,460 --> 00:11:16,460 Okay. Okay. Give me a break. 208 00:11:16,460 --> 00:11:18,460 Is that better? 209 00:11:18,460 --> 00:11:20,460 I still can't hear them. 210 00:11:20,460 --> 00:11:22,460 The mic's picking them up. 211 00:11:22,460 --> 00:11:24,460 Hang on. 212 00:11:24,460 --> 00:11:26,460 It's not going away. Kyle knows. 213 00:11:26,460 --> 00:11:28,460 Kyle knows nothing about you. 214 00:11:28,460 --> 00:11:30,460 He knows I was with someone. 215 00:11:30,460 --> 00:11:32,460 I just don't want this to get any more complicated. 216 00:11:32,460 --> 00:11:34,460 You know... 217 00:11:34,460 --> 00:11:36,460 Other people saw it. He had a picture. 218 00:11:36,460 --> 00:11:38,460 I can't. This is not a game to me. 219 00:11:38,460 --> 00:11:40,460 I could lose my job. I could lose my family. 220 00:11:40,460 --> 00:11:42,460 You promised me that this was going to stay between us. 221 00:11:42,460 --> 00:11:44,460 That was the deal from day one. 222 00:11:44,460 --> 00:11:46,460 We didn't know this was going to happen. 223 00:11:46,460 --> 00:11:48,460 Nothing happened. 224 00:11:48,460 --> 00:11:50,460 Yes it did. You were there. You... 225 00:11:50,460 --> 00:11:52,460 Nothing happened. 226 00:11:52,460 --> 00:11:54,460 What am I meant to say to Kyle? 227 00:11:54,460 --> 00:11:56,460 Deny it. He knows I saw something. 228 00:11:56,460 --> 00:11:58,460 He knows someone was with me. 229 00:11:58,460 --> 00:12:00,460 So deny it. 230 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:04,460 We experienced something together that 231 00:12:04,460 --> 00:12:06,460 maybe nobody has ever experienced before. 232 00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:08,460 I feel closer to you than anyone. 233 00:12:08,460 --> 00:12:10,460 I don't believe that for a second. 234 00:12:10,460 --> 00:12:12,460 I know what this has been for you. I'm not naive. 235 00:12:12,460 --> 00:12:14,460 I'm not going to pretend nothing happened. 236 00:12:14,460 --> 00:12:16,460 But that's mad, Leo, because it never happened. 237 00:12:16,460 --> 00:12:18,460 And if anybody asks, 238 00:12:18,460 --> 00:12:20,460 you deny it to their face point blank 239 00:12:20,460 --> 00:12:22,460 over and over until they leave you alone. 240 00:12:22,460 --> 00:12:24,460 It will go away. 241 00:12:24,460 --> 00:12:26,460 I promise. 242 00:12:26,460 --> 00:12:28,460 Why would I agree to do that? 243 00:12:28,460 --> 00:12:30,460 Okay, let me put it this way. By the time I finish this sentence, 244 00:12:30,460 --> 00:12:32,460 I will have entirely stopped thinking 245 00:12:32,460 --> 00:12:34,460 about whatever happened last night. 246 00:12:34,460 --> 00:12:36,460 And if you choose not to do the same thing, 247 00:12:36,460 --> 00:12:38,460 fine. But I will tell anyone who asks 248 00:12:38,460 --> 00:12:40,460 that you're deranged. 249 00:12:40,460 --> 00:12:42,460 And they will believe me. 250 00:12:42,460 --> 00:12:44,460 I'm done. This is not what we agreed on. 251 00:12:44,460 --> 00:12:46,460 Goodbye. 252 00:12:46,460 --> 00:12:48,460 Thanks for coming in, Leonard. 253 00:12:48,460 --> 00:12:50,460 If you have any other concerns about Hazel, 254 00:12:50,460 --> 00:12:52,460 please don't hesitate to get in touch. 255 00:12:52,460 --> 00:12:54,460 Stay down! 256 00:13:04,460 --> 00:13:06,460 I don't understand. 257 00:13:06,460 --> 00:13:08,460 They saw it, too. 258 00:13:08,460 --> 00:13:10,460 Saw what? What's going on? 259 00:13:10,460 --> 00:13:12,460 Hazel, I have to show you something, but I'm only going to show you if you promise to believe me. 260 00:13:12,460 --> 00:13:14,460 Toby, 261 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:16,460 just show me you're such an emo. 262 00:13:16,460 --> 00:13:18,460 I'm serious! 263 00:13:18,460 --> 00:13:20,460 Okay. Don't scream. 264 00:13:20,460 --> 00:13:22,460 Hurry up. 265 00:13:40,460 --> 00:13:42,460 Is this real? Yeah. 266 00:13:42,460 --> 00:13:44,460 This happened last night. Yeah. 267 00:13:44,460 --> 00:13:46,460 Did the police know about this? 268 00:13:46,460 --> 00:13:48,460 Yeah, but they haven't seen the video. 269 00:13:48,460 --> 00:13:50,460 Why not? 270 00:13:50,460 --> 00:13:52,460 I can't trust us anyone with this. 271 00:13:52,460 --> 00:13:54,460 They'll be after us. 272 00:13:54,460 --> 00:13:56,460 Looking for a way to cover it up. Who? 273 00:13:56,460 --> 00:13:58,460 I don't know. 274 00:13:58,460 --> 00:14:00,460 Government agencies, ACO, 275 00:14:00,460 --> 00:14:02,460 the CIA. 276 00:14:02,460 --> 00:14:04,460 It's inconvenient. 277 00:14:04,460 --> 00:14:06,460 Can you stop talking like that? 278 00:14:06,460 --> 00:14:08,460 I'm not joking. 279 00:14:08,460 --> 00:14:10,460 Anyone who saw that thing, 280 00:14:10,460 --> 00:14:12,460 we're targets. 281 00:14:12,460 --> 00:14:14,460 You, too. 282 00:14:14,460 --> 00:14:16,460 You're scaring me. 283 00:14:16,460 --> 00:14:18,460 Time to be scared, Hazel. 284 00:14:18,460 --> 00:14:20,460 Time to be scared. 285 00:14:28,460 --> 00:14:30,460 Hovering was written and directed by Alex Duncan. 286 00:14:30,460 --> 00:14:32,460 It was produced by Alex Duncan and Claire Frost. 287 00:14:32,460 --> 00:14:34,460 Our series is performed by Alex Duncan, 288 00:14:34,460 --> 00:14:36,460 Simon Caulfield, 289 00:14:36,460 --> 00:14:38,460 Shane Francis, 290 00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:40,460 Artemis Ioannidis, 291 00:14:40,460 --> 00:14:42,460 Lily Fish, 292 00:14:42,460 --> 00:14:44,460 John-Mark Desangano, 293 00:14:44,460 --> 00:14:46,460 Maude Davie, Veronica Thomas, 294 00:14:46,460 --> 00:14:48,460 Margo Morales, 295 00:14:48,460 --> 00:14:50,460 Terey Romovondo, Aaron Walton, 296 00:14:50,460 --> 00:14:52,460 Rihanna Curran, Jules Stevens, 297 00:14:52,460 --> 00:14:54,460 Lucy Lovegrove and Kaitlyn Spears. 298 00:14:54,460 --> 00:14:56,460 Sound recording and dialogue editing 299 00:14:56,460 --> 00:14:58,460 by Claire Frost. 300 00:14:58,460 --> 00:15:00,460 Additional sound recording by Stupid Old Studios 301 00:15:00,460 --> 00:15:02,460 and Daniel Burnett. 302 00:15:02,460 --> 00:15:04,460 Special thanks to Creative Kicks Media. 303 00:15:04,460 --> 00:15:06,460 Sound design and mixing by Melissa May. 304 00:15:06,460 --> 00:15:08,460 Music composed by Audrey Vixen. 305 00:15:08,460 --> 00:15:10,460 Cover art by Phoenix Waddell. 306 00:15:10,460 --> 00:15:12,460 Full credits and further information 307 00:15:12,460 --> 00:15:14,460 available in our show notes. 308 00:15:14,460 --> 00:15:16,460 Hi, you've been listening to Hovering. 309 00:15:16,460 --> 00:15:18,460 You can support us by joining Apollo Plus 310 00:15:18,460 --> 00:15:20,460 through the Apollo Podcasts app 311 00:15:20,460 --> 00:15:22,460 or by going to apollopods.com. 312 00:15:22,460 --> 00:15:36,460 Thanks very much for listening. 313 00:15:52,460 --> 00:15:54,460 Sound recording by John-Mark Desangano.