In this episode of What the Prophets Say with myself, Emma Stark and Sam Robertson, we are
continuing our mini-series looking at the prophetic movement. We're in breath too.
Prophets with teeth. Join us for this episode of What the Prophets Say.
Hello loyal listeners and welcome to another episode of What the Prophets Say with me, Emma
Stark and Mr. Sam Robertson. Samuel. It's not even Samuel. Sam Robertson. Do you remember
when I asked people to offer suggestions for your middle name? Yes. People did. They did.
They were very hilarious. They're very hilarious. I'm not sure if we go with any of them. No,
let's not go with anything. Just Sam Robertson. It's fine. How are you today, Sam? Yes, I
am well. But my name is just Sam Robertson. It is just Sam Robertson. No middle name.
Not just Sam. The Sam Robertson. Well, the Sam Robertson. But in the secondary school
I went to, there were seven of us. All with the same name. No. It was brilliant because
when I was slightly naughty, you could get away with being late because other people
got the late notification. But seven Sam Robertsons in the one school. Can you believe that?
I'm sure you never got a late mark a day in your life. Do you know I held the record in
one year for being late? I live five minutes away. But I changed that. I reformed when
I turned 15. No. Yeah. No, I don't think of you as a late person at all. I was not. I
was earlier. I think of my dad as a late person. He's late for his own sermon that he preaches.
He's hilarious. He goes to his own time. It is John Hansford time. Yes. Absolutely. Yes.
Can I ask how many days were you late? Do you remember?
Almost every day of the calendar year for school. I don't know if it's something to
be proud of or not. Maybe I need. The problem was as well, my secondary school teacher was
best pals to my mum. So I never got away with anything like that. No. Yeah. So dangerous.
I'm fairly sure your mother would have been shouting out the sayers. Sam Robertson, get
ready for school. Well, the problem, they used to leave early for work. So they never
knew. There we go. And then you turned over a new leaf. And I turned over a new leaf and
then I freak out if we're potentially going to be late. What changed? Well, the glory of
God. The glory of God. Oh, Jesus. It was sort of Jesus. And then I left school and then
went into ministry and that changed. And then I just loved what I did. So I was going to
be early because I was excited. Well, that's good. Okay. Well, we're in this mini series.
This is session three of our mini series looking at the development of the prophetic movement.
Now, as you will recall, loyal listeners, from the previous session, we were starting
to feel our way around these three breaths or three stages within the prophetic movement.
And you'll need to listen to the last one if you didn't catch it. But really, we are
wrestling with the with the third breath and we're catching you up as best we can. We're
in Ezekiel. Do you want to recapture breath one and then lead us into the explanation
of breath two?
So breath one really from Ezekiel 37. That's the chapter Valley of Dry Bones. You will know
it well. Verses seven to eight talks about the initial prophecy. So Ezekiel's first
word that brings form to the bones, form to the skeletons, form to the flesh, this sense
that we were in through Bishop Bill Hammond and others like him, a three decade long
and longer period of time with prophecy where the revelation was, I can hear God and I've
got something to tell you about what he's saying and the value for personal words.
That's where we were. Second breath Ezekiel 37 10, the second wave and the first person,
second one to really prophesy, it happened to be Tim Hammond, Bishop Bill's son. And
he prophesied that just under 10 years ago. But here's the verse. It says this, so I
prophesied as he commanded me and breath entered them, they came to life and stood up on their
feet, a vast army and this second wind, second breath, second phase, whatever you want to
call it, that it was really then about getting added onto what we know of the foundation
of personal words. God has something to say about nations, peoples. He has something to
say corporately, but his massive thing is the revelation of the army and army readiness.
We are called to wage war, spiritual warfare is important. We are weaponized by heaven
and the spirit realm and prophecy goes forth, not just to encourage, but as a weapon of
war to liberate and to establish the kingdom of God. And that is where you see Ezekiel
37 10, the armies filled with breath and can start functioning as an army.
So the development from personal prophetic words to prophets who are dealing with nations,
territory, regions and army readiness, that's quite a jump. But here we are in Ezekiel 37,
seeing Ezekiel asked to prophesy three consecutive times and with each prophetic unction, he
is adding something to what he's been asked to do or God is adding to him a different
function. And this is the model. Now, I think people really struggled. And you get the coming
up to it a little bit like I want to grow and I want to prophesy over nations, but I'm
fearful of overstepping. So you get a lot of words that sound like God's just going
to bless your nation. Your nation is going to be a success. Your nation is God's favorite
because there is this loving of the individual that is applied to the loving of the nation,
but it's light and it's not really bringing an accurate word that's specific to your
nation. So people are trying to get there, but actually there's nothing to be useful
to be built with. Or people came to it too fast and furious and ended up in this slap
down type of prophecy that was a bit overstated. So you got a load of we would call them the
judgment prophets. You got an overstating and it is trying to come from, I'm understanding
that there's a value to prophesy over the individuals to shifting into I understand
the function is beyond the individual. I have teeth prophets with teeth and I am looking
at the masses in nations. Yes, I'm looking at now the Ephesians for call the office of
the prophet. I'm looking at leadership within the local community and local body of Christ.
I am looking at the sense of aligning people. I'm looking at securing the future of the
nation, but I'm bringing in sometimes a little bit of sharpening, a little bit of correction,
a little bit of timing, a little bit of direction. I'm starting to move into that with teeth.
And you had a load of prophetic words maybe five, seven years ago that prophets will now
have teeth, which was kind of the shorthand for the step up into this place. And you will
be able to measure whether you heard prophets that over did that or under did that, trying
to embrace this step.
Absolutely. And so you have in the first breath, this whole idea of the prophetic word has
to be accessible to the individual. But in the second breath, there's this releasing
of the prophetic word with authority to the masses. And it is very much tied to nations
or boundaries. And it's within this particular one that you see specialities and I'm a prophet
to business or I'm a prophet to so rather than just I'm a prophet to a person, personal
prophetic words, you see people then with the it's where you get the seven mountain revelation,
which is helpful in some ways of how society is framed. But that says, Oh, I have a call
to politics or I have a call to prophesy into business or to family or whatever that might
be.
So the prophet to nations concept emerges or the prophet to Hollywood or the prophet to
business or the prophet to, I don't know, the church or and
Yeah, pick one.
Economics banking.
Absolutely.
arises.
So you see this move and actually it's a brilliant move because it incorporates warfare into
prophetic words.
Yes.
It incorporates the army of the Lord. And so when we prophesy, you start to hear a little
bit more of conversations about there was this principality that God's dealing with.
There's that the problem really with this group and not group with this wave and we
all are in it is because it's about alignments, you get the weakness of factions,
Yes.
of side territory, territorialism.
And ultimately, when you're prophesying to government or politics or a structure, they
are human structures.
They are created structures.
And so you get caught up there and it's very much you then get that just as we've seen,
you can conflate kind of the word of God with geopolitical boundaries and you kind of get
lost in there.
The nation state and securing the nations.
But as brilliant as it has made us more military minded.
Yes. And I think that it doesn't always get that there is a stage three or a breath three
in Ezekiel for the prophets to become.
So the end game in this level is not actually the kingdom of God.
The end game is when you fall off and go to extreme with this second breath is political
leadership.
And so you see the politicalization of the prophets who don't read to the end of Ezekiel
37 and are trying to steward nations, but don't understand how the kingdom of God works.
So they just prophesy all about politics.
So it is stepping up, but it's not understanding what the step up is to be that the step up
is actually correction, holiness, direction, timings and calling people to standard of
behavior rather than securing political leaders who you like because they're going to bring
comfort to you personally.
So in the first breath, confirmation of the word is very much personal encouragement and
comfort.
When you prophesied that, I knew it was right because I felt encouraged and comforted.
In the second breath, the confirmation of the word has unfortunately at times tipped
into mass agreement.
And is there harmony?
Do I agree with the word?
Does that make sense within a nation or potentially political framework that then became the measurement
of whether or not the word was right.
And the interesting kind of swimming in the soup of this second breath is because you're
looking at territory and because you're taking responsibility rightly for nations, you are
thinking about boundaries.
And once you think boundaries, I will protect and prophesy over this land, master this nation,
you are partnering a little bit with territorial.
I think the territorial spirits, so we all have to agree about this prophetic word.
And don't you speak anything that's, you know, outside of the agreement of this room rather
than how can we bring our portion and how can we be iron sharpening iron that seemed
to get lost.
So we've developed rather than they ban we can all prophesy here.
Let's sign up some individuals.
We became this is my group of prophets and you're in your group of prophets and we're
going to deal with this nation and we're responsible for that nation.
And it became ugly and territorial though we were all doing our best step into the second
wind, which has a sense of army nations and the advancement of people groups.
So you can see why because because whenever you step up into anything, you have to find
your feet in it.
So I wouldn't want to speak too critically of I just would want to bring understanding
as to why we've had these excess.
Some people really struggled with this.
Some people really struggled out of personal prophetic ministry.
A lot of people haven't made the leap either out of personal prophetic, not out of our
up into the second breath.
Or to be able to do both.
Yes.
And so you see either people leapt into the second breath without the first or have stayed
in the first breath without the second.
I think a lot of it is in the first, there was a sense of safety for all involved.
Yes.
Giving and receiving words and that is massive.
And with the second and its excesses, I think there's a fear that it could be dangerous
for all involved.
What if this is harmful or painful or divisive?
Yes.
So you see the apprehension even with others and certain prophetic groups around the second
breath because it is military minded and it is about strident decisions and strong words
and this is what the Lord says and here's what God is saying about this nation.
It does create an opportunity to choose, but with that, there's often a fear.
Do we lose the safety or perceived safety of the first breath?
Yes.
And I think that because we didn't explain our own personal development as a worldwide
prophetic movement right across the board, we had folk who were very disappointed to
not get my word.
Yes.
And of course, you've got the development of the individualistic culture in the midst
of all of this journeying as well.
So people come to the Prophet because they want their word, not understanding that the
Prophet is being pulled by God into dealing with regions and territories.
And so people didn't always want to receive or know how to or we didn't express it well
enough.
So let's take, I know this is a little bit like left of center, but if I was to say to
you, who communicates better, Mark Zuckerberg, who runs Facebook or Greta Thunberg, a teenager,
who's on a climate change agenda, let's not talk about the morals of each because they're
both in their own ways, controversial figures.
Who's communicating better?
Greta Thunberg every day of the week, she has very little backing, you know, she's,
she's, but she's got some ability to explain her case that is catching.
There you have Mark Zuckerberg running Facebook, whatever it's called, the metaverse, with
billions of pounds of backers and still not able to quite explain, you know, online safety
and what he wants to do with that and, you know, how he's navigating all of that.
And you look at some of his recent press stuff and you think that's clunky PR.
So to be fair, when we look in the world around us, we see those who are able to explain what
they're doing well, like Greta Thunberg and those like Facebook, who have just not been
able to capture an understanding of what they're trying to do.
And you see kind of how important it is that we capture hearts with an understanding of
when I come as a prophet, this is what you get.
This is what the anointing is.
This is how you, here's what to expect.
Here's how you'll get your best from us.
We'll absolutely seek to bless you individually.
But actually the best skill is that we're able to change nations and regions and secure
that forward movement for you.
We'll do some callites individually as well.
So we miss that PR pitch.
So there is the need to explain, prophets are great when they are getting the nation
and the army ready.
Now, we're going to leave you with another cliffhanger.
You'll have to come back for the next episode for the third breath, the final third breath
from Ezekiel 37 as we go on this journey of developing our revelation and our understanding
within the word of God for what he wants from his prophets.
So big deep breaths my friends and I bless you if you've not become that voice who's
thinking territory and region.
Now, let a responsibility hit you for territory, for region, for getting an army ready and
calling people up and into place, prophesying and demonstrating and securing breakthrough
for nations.
I bless you into that in Jesus' name.
Amen.
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