1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,160 In this episode of What the Prophets Say with myself, Emma Stark and Sam Robertson, we are 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:14,080 continuing our mini-series looking at the prophetic movement. We're in breath too. 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,400 Prophets with teeth. Join us for this episode of What the Prophets Say. 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:24,040 Hello loyal listeners and welcome to another episode of What the Prophets Say with me, Emma 5 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:33,400 Stark and Mr. Sam Robertson. Samuel. It's not even Samuel. Sam Robertson. Do you remember 6 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:39,720 when I asked people to offer suggestions for your middle name? Yes. People did. They did. 7 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,320 They were very hilarious. They're very hilarious. I'm not sure if we go with any of them. No, 8 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,440 let's not go with anything. Just Sam Robertson. It's fine. How are you today, Sam? Yes, I 9 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,640 am well. But my name is just Sam Robertson. It is just Sam Robertson. No middle name. 10 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:58,360 Not just Sam. The Sam Robertson. Well, the Sam Robertson. But in the secondary school 11 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:03,640 I went to, there were seven of us. All with the same name. No. It was brilliant because 12 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,440 when I was slightly naughty, you could get away with being late because other people 13 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:13,680 got the late notification. But seven Sam Robertsons in the one school. Can you believe that? 14 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,520 I'm sure you never got a late mark a day in your life. Do you know I held the record in 15 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:25,520 one year for being late? I live five minutes away. But I changed that. I reformed when 16 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:32,560 I turned 15. No. Yeah. No, I don't think of you as a late person at all. I was not. I 17 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:38,280 was earlier. I think of my dad as a late person. He's late for his own sermon that he preaches. 18 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:45,040 He's hilarious. He goes to his own time. It is John Hansford time. Yes. Absolutely. Yes. 19 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,880 Can I ask how many days were you late? Do you remember? 20 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:55,680 Almost every day of the calendar year for school. I don't know if it's something to 21 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:01,320 be proud of or not. Maybe I need. The problem was as well, my secondary school teacher was 22 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:06,480 best pals to my mum. So I never got away with anything like that. No. Yeah. So dangerous. 23 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,680 I'm fairly sure your mother would have been shouting out the sayers. Sam Robertson, get 24 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,680 ready for school. Well, the problem, they used to leave early for work. So they never 25 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:21,160 knew. There we go. And then you turned over a new leaf. And I turned over a new leaf and 26 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:28,120 then I freak out if we're potentially going to be late. What changed? Well, the glory of 27 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:34,160 God. The glory of God. Oh, Jesus. It was sort of Jesus. And then I left school and then 28 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,280 went into ministry and that changed. And then I just loved what I did. So I was going to 29 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,560 be early because I was excited. Well, that's good. Okay. Well, we're in this mini series. 30 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:47,040 This is session three of our mini series looking at the development of the prophetic movement. 31 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:53,720 Now, as you will recall, loyal listeners, from the previous session, we were starting 32 00:02:53,720 --> 00:03:03,000 to feel our way around these three breaths or three stages within the prophetic movement. 33 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:08,560 And you'll need to listen to the last one if you didn't catch it. But really, we are 34 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:14,200 wrestling with the with the third breath and we're catching you up as best we can. We're 35 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:21,680 in Ezekiel. Do you want to recapture breath one and then lead us into the explanation 36 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:22,680 of breath two? 37 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:27,680 So breath one really from Ezekiel 37. That's the chapter Valley of Dry Bones. You will know 38 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:33,320 it well. Verses seven to eight talks about the initial prophecy. So Ezekiel's first 39 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:39,680 word that brings form to the bones, form to the skeletons, form to the flesh, this sense 40 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:47,000 that we were in through Bishop Bill Hammond and others like him, a three decade long 41 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:52,200 and longer period of time with prophecy where the revelation was, I can hear God and I've 42 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,200 got something to tell you about what he's saying and the value for personal words. 43 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:04,480 That's where we were. Second breath Ezekiel 37 10, the second wave and the first person, 44 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:10,760 second one to really prophesy, it happened to be Tim Hammond, Bishop Bill's son. And 45 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,840 he prophesied that just under 10 years ago. But here's the verse. It says this, so I 46 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:22,280 prophesied as he commanded me and breath entered them, they came to life and stood up on their 47 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:29,320 feet, a vast army and this second wind, second breath, second phase, whatever you want to 48 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:34,360 call it, that it was really then about getting added onto what we know of the foundation 49 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:39,880 of personal words. God has something to say about nations, peoples. He has something to 50 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:48,880 say corporately, but his massive thing is the revelation of the army and army readiness. 51 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:54,760 We are called to wage war, spiritual warfare is important. We are weaponized by heaven 52 00:04:54,760 --> 00:05:01,480 and the spirit realm and prophecy goes forth, not just to encourage, but as a weapon of 53 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:08,120 war to liberate and to establish the kingdom of God. And that is where you see Ezekiel 54 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:14,800 37 10, the armies filled with breath and can start functioning as an army. 55 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:21,400 So the development from personal prophetic words to prophets who are dealing with nations, 56 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:30,320 territory, regions and army readiness, that's quite a jump. But here we are in Ezekiel 37, 57 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:39,240 seeing Ezekiel asked to prophesy three consecutive times and with each prophetic unction, he 58 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:44,800 is adding something to what he's been asked to do or God is adding to him a different 59 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:52,640 function. And this is the model. Now, I think people really struggled. And you get the coming 60 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:59,680 up to it a little bit like I want to grow and I want to prophesy over nations, but I'm 61 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:05,680 fearful of overstepping. So you get a lot of words that sound like God's just going 62 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:11,760 to bless your nation. Your nation is going to be a success. Your nation is God's favorite 63 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:18,640 because there is this loving of the individual that is applied to the loving of the nation, 64 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:25,400 but it's light and it's not really bringing an accurate word that's specific to your 65 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:33,000 nation. So people are trying to get there, but actually there's nothing to be useful 66 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:40,840 to be built with. Or people came to it too fast and furious and ended up in this slap 67 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:47,000 down type of prophecy that was a bit overstated. So you got a load of we would call them the 68 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:55,160 judgment prophets. You got an overstating and it is trying to come from, I'm understanding 69 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:00,680 that there's a value to prophesy over the individuals to shifting into I understand 70 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:09,200 the function is beyond the individual. I have teeth prophets with teeth and I am looking 71 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:16,160 at the masses in nations. Yes, I'm looking at now the Ephesians for call the office of 72 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:21,480 the prophet. I'm looking at leadership within the local community and local body of Christ. 73 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:28,720 I am looking at the sense of aligning people. I'm looking at securing the future of the 74 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:34,920 nation, but I'm bringing in sometimes a little bit of sharpening, a little bit of correction, 75 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:41,440 a little bit of timing, a little bit of direction. I'm starting to move into that with teeth. 76 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:48,720 And you had a load of prophetic words maybe five, seven years ago that prophets will now 77 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:55,040 have teeth, which was kind of the shorthand for the step up into this place. And you will 78 00:07:55,040 --> 00:08:00,800 be able to measure whether you heard prophets that over did that or under did that, trying 79 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,520 to embrace this step. 80 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:09,760 Absolutely. And so you have in the first breath, this whole idea of the prophetic word has 81 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:15,360 to be accessible to the individual. But in the second breath, there's this releasing 82 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:22,160 of the prophetic word with authority to the masses. And it is very much tied to nations 83 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:29,120 or boundaries. And it's within this particular one that you see specialities and I'm a prophet 84 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:34,280 to business or I'm a prophet to so rather than just I'm a prophet to a person, personal 85 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:39,640 prophetic words, you see people then with the it's where you get the seven mountain revelation, 86 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:46,640 which is helpful in some ways of how society is framed. But that says, Oh, I have a call 87 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:51,880 to politics or I have a call to prophesy into business or to family or whatever that might 88 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:52,880 be. 89 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,440 So the prophet to nations concept emerges or the prophet to Hollywood or the prophet to 90 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,560 business or the prophet to, I don't know, the church or and 91 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:01,560 Yeah, pick one. 92 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:03,040 Economics banking. 93 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:04,040 Absolutely. 94 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,040 arises. 95 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:11,640 So you see this move and actually it's a brilliant move because it incorporates warfare into 96 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:12,640 prophetic words. 97 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:13,640 Yes. 98 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,120 It incorporates the army of the Lord. And so when we prophesy, you start to hear a little 99 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:23,160 bit more of conversations about there was this principality that God's dealing with. 100 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:30,520 There's that the problem really with this group and not group with this wave and we 101 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:35,760 all are in it is because it's about alignments, you get the weakness of factions, 102 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:36,760 Yes. 103 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,760 of side territory, territorialism. 104 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:46,760 And ultimately, when you're prophesying to government or politics or a structure, they 105 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,400 are human structures. 106 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,560 They are created structures. 107 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:56,360 And so you get caught up there and it's very much you then get that just as we've seen, 108 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:02,560 you can conflate kind of the word of God with geopolitical boundaries and you kind of get 109 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:03,560 lost in there. 110 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:07,240 The nation state and securing the nations. 111 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,840 But as brilliant as it has made us more military minded. 112 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:18,640 Yes. And I think that it doesn't always get that there is a stage three or a breath three 113 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,840 in Ezekiel for the prophets to become. 114 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:27,320 So the end game in this level is not actually the kingdom of God. 115 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:35,560 The end game is when you fall off and go to extreme with this second breath is political 116 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:36,560 leadership. 117 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:43,160 And so you see the politicalization of the prophets who don't read to the end of Ezekiel 118 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:51,360 37 and are trying to steward nations, but don't understand how the kingdom of God works. 119 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,600 So they just prophesy all about politics. 120 00:10:54,600 --> 00:11:00,880 So it is stepping up, but it's not understanding what the step up is to be that the step up 121 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:07,640 is actually correction, holiness, direction, timings and calling people to standard of 122 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:12,880 behavior rather than securing political leaders who you like because they're going to bring 123 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,880 comfort to you personally. 124 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:21,160 So in the first breath, confirmation of the word is very much personal encouragement and 125 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:22,160 comfort. 126 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:27,400 When you prophesied that, I knew it was right because I felt encouraged and comforted. 127 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:34,720 In the second breath, the confirmation of the word has unfortunately at times tipped 128 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,600 into mass agreement. 129 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,920 And is there harmony? 130 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,800 Do I agree with the word? 131 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:50,920 Does that make sense within a nation or potentially political framework that then became the measurement 132 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,520 of whether or not the word was right. 133 00:11:53,520 --> 00:12:00,800 And the interesting kind of swimming in the soup of this second breath is because you're 134 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:07,040 looking at territory and because you're taking responsibility rightly for nations, you are 135 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,040 thinking about boundaries. 136 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:16,960 And once you think boundaries, I will protect and prophesy over this land, master this nation, 137 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,640 you are partnering a little bit with territorial. 138 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:25,760 I think the territorial spirits, so we all have to agree about this prophetic word. 139 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,280 And don't you speak anything that's, you know, outside of the agreement of this room rather 140 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:36,040 than how can we bring our portion and how can we be iron sharpening iron that seemed 141 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,200 to get lost. 142 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,520 So we've developed rather than they ban we can all prophesy here. 143 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,640 Let's sign up some individuals. 144 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,320 We became this is my group of prophets and you're in your group of prophets and we're 145 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,280 going to deal with this nation and we're responsible for that nation. 146 00:12:52,280 --> 00:13:01,280 And it became ugly and territorial though we were all doing our best step into the second 147 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:10,760 wind, which has a sense of army nations and the advancement of people groups. 148 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:16,920 So you can see why because because whenever you step up into anything, you have to find 149 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,480 your feet in it. 150 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,960 So I wouldn't want to speak too critically of I just would want to bring understanding 151 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,600 as to why we've had these excess. 152 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,000 Some people really struggled with this. 153 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,840 Some people really struggled out of personal prophetic ministry. 154 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:35,640 A lot of people haven't made the leap either out of personal prophetic, not out of our 155 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,480 up into the second breath. 156 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,760 Or to be able to do both. 157 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:40,760 Yes. 158 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:45,680 And so you see either people leapt into the second breath without the first or have stayed 159 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:49,040 in the first breath without the second. 160 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:55,360 I think a lot of it is in the first, there was a sense of safety for all involved. 161 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:56,360 Yes. 162 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,640 Giving and receiving words and that is massive. 163 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:06,880 And with the second and its excesses, I think there's a fear that it could be dangerous 164 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,880 for all involved. 165 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,320 What if this is harmful or painful or divisive? 166 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,320 Yes. 167 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:18,640 So you see the apprehension even with others and certain prophetic groups around the second 168 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:23,800 breath because it is military minded and it is about strident decisions and strong words 169 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,960 and this is what the Lord says and here's what God is saying about this nation. 170 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:32,720 It does create an opportunity to choose, but with that, there's often a fear. 171 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:37,400 Do we lose the safety or perceived safety of the first breath? 172 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:38,400 Yes. 173 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:45,760 And I think that because we didn't explain our own personal development as a worldwide 174 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:52,280 prophetic movement right across the board, we had folk who were very disappointed to 175 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,040 not get my word. 176 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,040 Yes. 177 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,600 And of course, you've got the development of the individualistic culture in the midst 178 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,840 of all of this journeying as well. 179 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,720 So people come to the Prophet because they want their word, not understanding that the 180 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:12,360 Prophet is being pulled by God into dealing with regions and territories. 181 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:17,880 And so people didn't always want to receive or know how to or we didn't express it well 182 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:18,880 enough. 183 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:27,480 So let's take, I know this is a little bit like left of center, but if I was to say to 184 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:36,280 you, who communicates better, Mark Zuckerberg, who runs Facebook or Greta Thunberg, a teenager, 185 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:42,040 who's on a climate change agenda, let's not talk about the morals of each because they're 186 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,680 both in their own ways, controversial figures. 187 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,720 Who's communicating better? 188 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:54,080 Greta Thunberg every day of the week, she has very little backing, you know, she's, 189 00:15:54,080 --> 00:16:01,760 she's, but she's got some ability to explain her case that is catching. 190 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,120 There you have Mark Zuckerberg running Facebook, whatever it's called, the metaverse, with 191 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:14,520 billions of pounds of backers and still not able to quite explain, you know, online safety 192 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,120 and what he wants to do with that and, you know, how he's navigating all of that. 193 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:24,280 And you look at some of his recent press stuff and you think that's clunky PR. 194 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:30,760 So to be fair, when we look in the world around us, we see those who are able to explain what 195 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:35,760 they're doing well, like Greta Thunberg and those like Facebook, who have just not been 196 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,160 able to capture an understanding of what they're trying to do. 197 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:47,120 And you see kind of how important it is that we capture hearts with an understanding of 198 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,000 when I come as a prophet, this is what you get. 199 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,840 This is what the anointing is. 200 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,200 This is how you, here's what to expect. 201 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,360 Here's how you'll get your best from us. 202 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,160 We'll absolutely seek to bless you individually. 203 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:04,480 But actually the best skill is that we're able to change nations and regions and secure 204 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,800 that forward movement for you. 205 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,360 We'll do some callites individually as well. 206 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:13,040 So we miss that PR pitch. 207 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:20,000 So there is the need to explain, prophets are great when they are getting the nation 208 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,400 and the army ready. 209 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,680 Now, we're going to leave you with another cliffhanger. 210 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,520 You'll have to come back for the next episode for the third breath, the final third breath 211 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:38,800 from Ezekiel 37 as we go on this journey of developing our revelation and our understanding 212 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,480 within the word of God for what he wants from his prophets. 213 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:49,880 So big deep breaths my friends and I bless you if you've not become that voice who's 214 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,440 thinking territory and region. 215 00:17:52,440 --> 00:18:01,480 Now, let a responsibility hit you for territory, for region, for getting an army ready and 216 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:11,760 calling people up and into place, prophesying and demonstrating and securing breakthrough 217 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,040 for nations. 218 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,600 I bless you into that in Jesus' name. 219 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:16,600 Amen. 220 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:21,440 Thank you for listening to this episode of what the prophets say with me Emma Stark. 221 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:27,320 If you would like to go deeper with us, you would be very welcome to join our network, 222 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,360 the Global Prophetic Alliance. 223 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:34,960 You can find that at propheticscots.com where we have a comprehensive training program to 224 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,760 lead you into deeper realms of the spirit of God and in kinder. 225 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:45,400 If you feel a call and a pull to deliverance ministry, you can download my latest e-course 226 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:51,080 which is a comprehensive overview of getting people free from demonic oppression. 227 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,040 You'll find that at demonbusting.com. 228 00:18:55,040 --> 00:19:01,000 Join us on these different platforms for more interaction with Emma Stark, Sam Robertson 229 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:28,800 and the GPA team.