In this episode of What the Prophet Say, join me, Emma Stark and Mr. Sam Robertson as we
continue our mini-series, this is session two on the prophetic and we look at the need
to keep prophesying extensively over individuals.
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Hello loyal listeners and welcome to another episode of What the Prophet Say with me, Emma
Stark and Sam Robertson.
We are delighted that you are lending us your ears and I hope more than your ears, but
we'll start with your ears.
We're not to tickle your ears, but we are here to put the word of the Lord in robustly
that it might transform your life, but we appreciate that you give time to this and
we are back in the studio coffee, water, cakes have been consumed, although you don't
like sweet things.
Well, yes, although confession since marrying Bella because she loves sweet things, but
I don't know if it's a wife thing or if it's a Bella thing she likes to share a dessert.
Oh yes.
I hadn't quite realised this and sharing a dessert is a big deal and they shall not
refuse sharing a dessert.
Well done Bella.
I've shared a few, still not my favourite, but I am partial to the occasional dessert
now.
Now what would you go for if like Bella's choosing and you're like, oh, don't choose
that but choose that.
What would you go for?
Nothing cakey.
I don't like anything like, I don't know, like a carrot cake or chocolate cake or a
red velvet cake.
Nothing like that.
It's too dense.
I like a creme brulee or something like that.
Or what's the coffee one?
Tiramisu.
Yeah, I don't mind that.
You can get those done horrendously.
Yeah, you can't get horrendously.
Yeah, you see, I don't like damp spuns.
But that's what I mean.
If it's really...
It has to be nicely done.
Yeah, they put lady finger biscuits in that, don't they?
But they do just not as well.
Yes, having made a few tiramisu's in my life, I actually saw a recipe for pistachio tiramisu.
If you made something pistachio, that is my new obsession.
What was it?
Anything pistachio flavoured.
Sorry, I'm getting excited.
We went to those epic hotel for our honeymoon and they did so many in Mauritius.
Pistachios are popular and they did so much pistachio desserts.
It's gorgeous.
And it was the best time of my life.
Oh, well, it was your honeymoon.
But I'm glad the food was good as well.
But you know what I just had?
Talking of pistachios, in Copenhagen in Denmark, David and I had a half kind of day off while
we waited for the airplane home and we went down the walking street.
It's literally called the walking street, but in Danish.
And we had pistachio croissants.
Were they good?
Yes.
So like a pistachio, you know, like an almond crust, you get the almond paste in it, but
like a frangipane in the middle of it.
But this was like a pistachio cream down the middle.
Very, very good.
Yeah, I'd like that.
Yeah.
And then I had a pistachio, the best pastry I had two weeks ago.
The best pastry I have ever had was in Amsterdam, in the Netherlands.
Yeah.
Louise Reed and I went in to shop.
Oh, my PA is jumping around the other side of the glass.
That was with me because she took us there.
What did I have, Suzanne?
I'm told you.
I can't.
I think it was an almond croissant I had.
I think it was the best I'd ever tasted.
But overnight she's doing the thumbs up behind the glass.
This is, we're going to call them the class behind the glass.
The class behind the glass.
And that's Todd, producer Todd, broadcast manager, Roz and my PA, Suzanne.
There we go.
The laughing.
We can't hear what they're saying.
I hope we've introduced them right.
The class behind the glass.
So, but it sounds like we're just obsessed with food, but good pastries are a delight.
Yeah, they are a delight.
They are hard to come by.
Good ones are hard to come by.
Yeah, flaky pastries.
Good.
I don't make pastry.
No one's got time for that.
No, no way.
Have you ever made pastry?
Oh, no.
Have you, how the length of time?
Oh, it's a faff.
It's a total faff.
Oh, why me?
Yeah, pre-bought pastry.
Always.
Yeah, I buy a fair amount of puff pastry to make gatos and tart scones.
I'm not in a good place with you.
Anyway, not that we have sorted out the world with pistachio.
I hope you're not too hungry with puff pastry.
We're on a bit of a mini series and we're certainly doing three in a row around the
prophetic and a real call to arms and a call to action.
And last time we were in this, the, I suppose semi rebuking to ourselves as much as to
anybody else.
If the caliber of the prophetic word is not there, then you've got nothing to fight or
to war over.
And if the word is not good enough to fight over, what is the point of it being released
in the first place?
If it's an ego massage word or it's just a, you know, make me look good in front of my
pals type word, what is the point?
But Sam, this is quite serious.
I was reading the word of God about, well, is it three, four weeks ago?
I've lost track of time, certainly at the beginning of 2024.
And I was thinking about what I would preach at start the year right.
And I find myself back in Ezekiel 37, which is a very well worn, very well known scripture
is Ezekiel and the Valley of the Dry Bones.
And I had a moment, I think almost a once in a lifetime moment.
Come on listeners.
This is really important.
A once in a lifetime moment of revelation in Ezekiel 37.
I feel Sanderson, my dear friend who pastors in Aberdeen, he says, it's the most important
word he thinks I've prophesied in a decade.
So it's of that level of understanding.
And we're, you and I and the team here are just sitting in it and trying to wrestle with
it.
It's a word of direction and movement and uplifting of the prophetic movement worldwide
into another era.
So if I've done in any way a good job, you'll be able to give me the introduction to just
put you on this spot.
But it's interesting to hear it through your voice.
And then we'll see as we wrestle together where we are with it.
So on your marks, get set, Sam.
Go.
So a bit of history into the word that kind of takes us on a journey to what is ahead.
Bishop Bill Hammond, a hero of the prophetic movement, father of the prophetic movement,
launched probably the reintroduction of prophets in prophecy into the world.
And he's the guy who would have lined up entire rooms of hundreds of people and giving
them personal prophetic words.
Anybody who prophesies and anybody who has any level of significant prophetic ministry
will be able to somehow acknowledge Bishop Bill Hammond and what he birthed.
So we're talking what, 50, 60 years ago?
50, 60 years ago.
And the first wave of prophets, first wave of prophecy.
His son, Tim Hammond, maybe about five years ago, maybe more.
Maybe more.
Yeah.
Tim would be maybe now in his 60s, I would have thought.
So kind of five to 10 years ago, started to prophesy about the second portion, second
wave, second breath of the prophetic movement.
Yeah.
I think he might have called it the second wind.
Second wind.
And others like Barbara Yoder and others like Art Senderjee.
We're prophesying the same thing.
And so really they get this from Ezekiel 37.
So can we just say there's been wave one or first breath or second breath, first wind,
second wind.
So two stages of the worldwide prophetic movement.
In our last kind of two, three generations, restoration is a prophetic movement.
And remember that the prophetic movement had to be restored because in the Reformation
500 years ago plus, there was a real sense of a dishonoring, I think just not an understanding
that there needed to be prophecy and prophets.
So you do get a lot of truth, but you also get spiritual sterility with that.
You get a sense of impotence in the prophetic word because it's just not given a place
or a value.
So you're almost living under the cloak or the hood of the Reformation, which is giving
a value for salvation by faith, which is giving a value for the centrality of the cross and
Christ.
So no value for really the work of the spirit or the work of the Revelation at all.
So by the time Bishop Bill turns up with wave one and then his son, Dr. Tim prophesies
wave two, we are in water, shallow waters because there had been no Revelation for years.
This really matters what we are.
Now, it is with it.
So Ezekiel 37.
You have the first wave, seven to eight in verses seven to eight.
So that first introduction of prophets and of prophecy birthed by Bishop Bill Hammond
and then taken throughout the world, mainly about personal prophecy, call outs, prophetic
prensperty is the phrase some of you will have heard.
And it says this, So I prophesied I was commanded and as I was prophesy, there was a noise and
a rattling sound and the bones came together bone to bone.
I looked and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was
no breath in them.
So you see this first breath, which is about form.
There is a form of prophets and prophecy that's valuable.
And so that is where that took us up to those three decades, 30 years.
You then have in verse 10, the introduction of the second wind, the second breath.
So this is Ezekiel prop being told to prophesy a second time to the same army.
And it says, So I prophesied as he commanded me and breath entered them.
They came to life and stood up on their feet, a vast army.
And this is the military mindedness of the prophets and of the prophetic women.
And you who have been joining with us for some time know that we love this stuff.
It's the nitty gritty of tearing down the kingdoms of darkness and planting the kingdom
of God.
It is spiritual warfare.
It is that when you prophesy, things get destroyed and the kingdom gets built.
That understanding comes so form and function.
We see these in the first and second breath.
Now actually they are brilliant things.
Both those almost taken half a lifetime for most of us to wrestle with those two breaths.
And so the first breath is, I can prophesy and you are looking for, since it's a widespread
value of the prophet, you're palatable, it's entry level, it's about personal ministry.
Find the gold.
You're avoiding danger.
You're avoiding timings.
You're avoiding judgment.
You're avoiding shaking.
It's all in relatively shallow but very necessary waters.
You can't get into the deep waters unless you go through the shallow waters.
So we don't reject or as the word of God would say, you don't despise the day of small beginnings
because it's the door that opens.
So it's this individual words endless.
We train there.
You and I train there.
Endless individual words.
Growing the muscle.
Encouraging the bride.
All demonstrations, lots and lots of that for decades.
Absolutely.
And I remember, I mean, how many of you, we would prophesy well into the small hours of
the morning because it was all day, every day, just personal ministry.
It was all we ever knew about prophecy in many regards.
The thought of a national word or a word to the masses was way off in the distance.
Yes.
It was really that prophecy was given to secure the individual.
Prophesy secured the person that you were out working a focus on individual blessing.
Absolutely.
So, I mean, you would have people in the early days who would fast and pray to come to receive
a personal word and then they would receive the personal word with fear and trembling.
I remember prophets preaching in those days, maybe some of you listeners do too.
They would spend hours teaching you how to receive your personal word because nobody
had ever really got one before.
So you fast pray, receive you, go and you write it out, you diligently weigh it and
test it and decades of that.
And you and I, we reckon, have done probably about 30,000 hours of personal prophetic ministry.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And that's where we trained.
That's what we trained in.
Yes.
We taught people and still do the value for that.
And when you hear this first, second, third, you need all of the breaths as we continue.
So it's not that there's not a value for that anymore, but there's added aspects.
Yes.
But this is, I actually think this is where God trusts you with his voice.
Yes.
When he can trust you with an individual.
Yes.
And just as an aside, lots of people say, you know, how can I level up in prophecy?
How can I come to a greater level, you know, you and Emma, are you, you know, you guys
prophesied so accurately or you prophesied with such weight?
I think we would personally cite it to the decade plus of for here when we were Glasgow
prophetic center, prophetic checkups of the hours and hours and hours of the giving of
personal words.
I think the giving of the personal words, because now we're looking at breath two and
breath three and this was in the first breath, there is a sense that I watch some folk, not
everybody.
I just want to get to the big platform.
I just want to get to the, you know, the net.
I want to get and actually what I watch if you miss the rigors of I'm going to prophesy
form, which is form function and then awakening of the army.
But the first stage, you know, find the gold stuff, you lose the capability to love.
Absolutely.
Because when you are faced with hundreds and hundreds of individuals, they will, if you
don't find the right attitude, drain you and where you are.
And it forces your heart to choose to love people well, that they are worthy of investment
of your time.
And the sense of I want to use people to get to where I want to go versus I'm going to
go through the rigors of the discipline of ours of personal prophetic ministry.
And I still find great joy in it.
I'll give you an example.
And I was in wherever I was somewhere in mainland Europe.
And again, we had a couple of hours.
We dashed into have a wee bit of a look around the city and we were overseas and we'd find
a lovely jewelry shop.
And of course, of course, priorities.
And no, it very deliberately wasn't an accidental find.
It was deliberately the earrings and the necklace I'm wearing.
Anyway, walking and and with Louise Reed and with Suzanne and really we're just bobbing
along chatting about jewelry.
But the spirit of the Lord rose up in me for personal prophetic ministry.
And as soon as I felt that urgency to minister to the shop assistant, the shop emptied.
I saw an angel guard that very busy to be fair.
It may have been my third or fourth trip to this shop over the years.
So I know how busy it is.
And an angel of the Lord stood at the door so that the shop was not I could see it.
And I'm thinking, oh, the God has curated a moment.
I need to be vigilant here.
The word came up out of me like a machine gun of passionate and liberation and love
for this woman.
She's wailing.
She's coughing up her demons.
I'm like, come out from behind that counter.
I'm laying hands on her.
She's literally doing deliverance ministry with me there on the spot falling in love
with Jesus.
The word Lord, you trained to be an interior designer.
You have never used the fullness of this.
You got rejected in your early teeth.
I mean, it was so specific to her life.
How could she not fall in love with Jesus?
But the joy for me in that of, I love that thing of finding somebody and just bringing
that first breath of putting form back into the shape of God and introducing them to the
person of Jesus.
And it was so easy.
Absolutely.
It doesn't have to be hard.
You know, the amount of times I'll be in a room ministering and often happens and God
says at the end of this, I want you to prophesy over as many people as you can.
And I think really because that can sometimes be draining.
It can be very tiring.
But I did it recently and found such an energy of the spirit that came up in me.
And it was partly God saying, I need you to do this because it's how you're trusted.
Actually if you don't do this, then I can't trust you with more revelation.
But there's a sharpness, even more than just the fun of it.
It brings a sharpness to you when you have to deal with different people, different
situations when you prophesy over countless amounts of individual lives.
You're dealing with countless amounts of dangers or crisis or issues or pain.
They're anointing.
You need to find a way to articulate the spirit of God and to articulate what you're seeing
and feeling and sensing in a way that leads people helpfully into their future.
And it keeps you sharp.
It does.
The discipline of personal ministry cannot ever be lost, I don't think.
From that.
And of course that was what Bishop Bill Hammond and actually the Kansas City Prophets as well.
They were active at the same time in a slightly different stream in the USA.
And most of the prophecy that we were trained in was either from Bishop Bill and Christian
International or from the Kansas City guys.
And that of course, massively influential around the world.
So number one, if you missed the first breath and you've not got the rigors of finding people
to prophesy over it, you have to get it back.
Now, I think we can get lazy.
Oh, I don't have a platform.
I don't have a space.
You just find people and you just minister to them, you know, like wherever it happens
to be, the Julie shop, the whatever.
The other one I did, I actually prophesied over somebody what night would it have been,
what day is it today, Sam?
Wednesday.
It's Wednesday.
And I was, it was Saturday night, very late.
I come back to the hotel after ministering very, very late.
And I was, you know, you're a long day tired and there was somebody in the lobby and the
spirit of God was like, you need to minister.
And you know that way you're going, oh, man, really.
And David and I just got hold of them and they had the reception.
It was the receptionist and this guy and David and I, 12 minutes.
I said, get your phone.
I'm going to tell you what God says.
The person was stunned whether they wanted it or not.
They were quite a bit.
They got it.
A total like moment of a life change in the foyer of the hotel reception late, late at
night.
And that kind of like, I don't need to be invited or in ministry mode formalized.
Absolutely.
Now they then find me on Facebook or Insta, I think, and they've written a comment to
us of how it's changed their world.
This kind of like drive by approach to prophecy.
Prophecy.
Yeah.
And as we talk about the next breath, what you need to hear is you never graduate from
personal prophetic ministry.
God trusts you with more revelation, with the higher levels of revelation, but you never
graduate from it.
You never become superior than personal prophetic ministry.
Yeah.
I think we're going to leave you on a cliff edge of that, of the need to get into the
rhythm of that first breath.
And next session, we're going to dive into breath two and breath three.
Breath three, nobody has spoken about publicly before as far as we know.
And so we're, we are, I think we're a wee bit rattled.
And we're still trying to wrestle, you know, this revelation.
But the first breath is that you individually demonstrate the kingdom of God in somebody's
life and that you make the prophetic accessible and you encourage and raise up and create
the horizon line in people's lives.
If you still have that as a theory, not as the day to speak out loud, I will become a
greater practitioner of this.
And even as I'm wrestling, as is my call, words over nations, I still find the thrill
of a late night reception prophecy or a jewelry shop prophecy, even in the last 10 days, knowing
that I can change a nation, but I still don't lose the skill of changing an individual by
love.
And my concern here, me well is if you don't get this, I don't think you learn the art
of loving people well.
There is.
Wow.
That was a cliff.
That was a fire.
You've got homework, my friends.
First breath is E.K.
37, putting prophetic form in your life.
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