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In this episode of What the Prophets Say, join me Emma Stark and Prophet Sam Robertson

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as we go into the deep waters of how you deal with discouragement and depression in these

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days of war and shaking in the earth.

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We want you to be strong in the Lord.

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Join us for this key episode of What the Prophets Say.

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Hello our loyal listeners, family and friends around the world and welcome to another rip

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roaring episode of What the Prophets Say with me Emma Stark and my sidekick Sam Robertson.

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We're glad that you're with us Sam.

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We are recording this in a cold month in Glasgow in Scotland, but I wonder whether it's fair

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to say it's nearly every month a cold month in Glasgow in Scotland.

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It is, but we're in the sort of month where you have to scrape your car in the morning

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and I had to do that the other day and it was a real ice.

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Scrape your car, de-ice it, defrost it, take the ice off your wind.

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Have you been out with a de-icer already?

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Not today because the day's just been rainy, but the rest of the week and last week every

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morning.

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Oh man.

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Yes, there we go.

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That's the problem of living in East Kilbride.

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Because it has its own microclimate of freezing.

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It always snows where you are.

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It's on a hill.

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So it's up high.

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There we go.

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And we are glad to be back in the studios to record another set and we've got the heating

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It only says 19 degrees.

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I don't like to sit in a room that's less than about 21.

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Of course you don't.

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So we have this app on the phone that we've got with this house where you put the, and

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I go on and I boost the heating in our house and David goes onto the app and undoes the

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boost.

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This is the constant back and forth in our house.

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So he's like, have you put the heating on in our bedroom?

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There are two things in a house that dads feel very protective over and very territorial

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over heating and bins.

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I have never met a dad in a house who is not pedantic about bins.

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The rubbish, the trash cans.

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The trash cans and pedantic about heating.

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Well can we tell you about David is actually through the window looking at me.

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He's wondering, I can see his facial expression.

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He's doing his time out move on because he knows I'm going to expose him here.

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So we moved into the size and there's like a big drawer that has three different trash

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cans or bins in it.

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And for all the different recyclings that we are mandated to do by our council here.

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And David is, he's like the bin police and he's written on little cards and stuck them

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with arrows and lists of what goes in each bin.

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wrong bin.

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Look at his face now over there.

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What do I need to do?

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And he gathers the family round for family meetings around the bins so that he can explain

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exactly where you put cardboard and glass.

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It's a dad thing.

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It maybe is a dad thing.

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He gets very excited on the eve of bin day.

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And there's the bin taking out ceremony.

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Yes, there is.

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Absolutely.

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Every dad does the bin, the trash can taking out ceremony to the front of the house and

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they have to be perfectly positioned.

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It's true.

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There you go.

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Seriously, as dads.

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I will measure it when I have kids.

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If I end up becoming pedantic about bins.

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I'm fairly sure you will because you are quite pedantic about neatness and tidiness already.

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You are a bit of a neat freak.

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I'm like in this new house that we have, I'm like cleaning everything all of the time.

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She's clean.

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That is a really good combination.

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Oh, so we've got a wee.

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And do you, are you like, like full blown kill every germ, like bleach?

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I'm more like, I'm a little bit like that, but I'm more like take up every rug to hoover

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underneath it.

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Move all the cushions.

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Life's too short.

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Do you hoover behind settees?

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well, the city.

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Oh, burst of energy.

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I move them.

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I would move them to get underneath.

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There you go.

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Well, well done.

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You're clearly quite a catch, Sam Robertson.

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If you even hoover under a sofa.

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I do hoover under a sofa.

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Hoover under rhymes.

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For me, it's about how things smell.

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So I'm a big one for like a nice scented cleaning spray and a Yankee candle.

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I love a nice smelling candle.

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Some of them are very disappointing.

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They smell and they still be in the first 10 seconds and then it goes.

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Now that I've named the brand Yankee candle, I have in the back of my head a slight concern

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that what if I actually like a dodgy candle cup?

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What there's something is please nobody tell me everything demonic about Yankee candles

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because that's the one I buy.

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That's the one you like.

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And then somebody will email me and say, it's like, it's like sometimes, you know, drinking

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a Starbucks and then somebody says, you're endorsing the siren spirit.

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I'm like, oh, oh, okay.

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You're drinking the snake spirit.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But then we have a coffee shop here called Nero's and I always think of Nero fiddled

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while Rome burned the Roman emperor.

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So I that's that is whenever I see the coffee shop Nero's, which is a chain here in is it

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a British chain?

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while Rome burned.

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No, I do not.

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No, I do not.

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No, I can't drink Nero's coffee.

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a lot cost a coffee.

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What are my options for a coffee house?

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I don't know.

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So nobody discouraged me that Yankee candles are demonic because they're a little like

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guilty pleasure in my life.

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Lots of scented candles.

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So if it is the one, just keep it to yourself.

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Just don't tell me.

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I don't know if discouragement over lighting candles is allowed in our lives.

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Anyway, speaking of discouragement, that's the theme.

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Sam, we've just talked for six minutes about nonsense.

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Discouragement.

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I really felt the Lord saying we're going to get you free today.

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This is the aim loyal listeners and that a lot of the church, a lot of the faithful remnant,

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that's you.

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You're faithful.

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You can pat yourself on the back.

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You're a faithful remnant and devoted to the King have been under an assignment that looks

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a lot like in the days of Nehemiah when Nehemiah in scripture is trying to rebuild the walls.

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It's a major project.

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There's a major rebuilding.

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It's very much like today.

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We are building and rebuilding and building the kingdom of God and rebuilding the heist

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of God, restructuring, reframing.

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When Nehemiah is sent by the evil one, two men, Sam Ballot and Tobiah, who come with

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an intent of repetitive discouragement, repetitive undermining, repetitive weariness.

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And it's not just like, oh, can I be a bit negative for a day?

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of your life?

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But they are very strategic in undermining your momentum, in undermining your sense of

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your call, in undermining a very deep place of your understanding of who you are before

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God and what you're supposed to be doing.

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We know that we'll talk about that in the next few episodes.

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But I felt a siege of discouragement and a siege of assignment against and how it looked

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to me was like the enemy had got Sam Ballot and Tobiah's spirits and was lifting blocks,

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bricks and was putting them around you to wall you in and the sense of, well, I'm going

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to knock over that thought that comes against me and I'm going to knock over that other

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thought that has been building against me.

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to deal with and that the Lord was saying it was a day to stand together on behalf of

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each other and to say that which has been built to wall you in, in the wearing dine,

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the wearing eye, the discouragement must now, as we are here today, be agreed on that it

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is utterly assassinated and annihilated.

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Come on.

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And this is Nehemiah chapter four, the real scripture where we see the activity of Sam

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Ballot and Tobiah here who are resisting.

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I think what I would say as well about these spirits is they rarely come in straight away

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with an all out, you can't do this, you're going to be destroyed.

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But they subtly begin in the questioning of, can you really?

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Are you really able to?

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And you see it start in the, you know, what are those feeble Jews doing?

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Will they restore their wall?

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Will they offer sacrifices?

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Will they actually finish in a day?

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they're saying we're going to invade and we're going to kill and we're going to destroy

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so that nothing is completed.

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It starts in the place of the subtle questioning of, are you really able?

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Can you really do this?

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And that's where it starts with your call.

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And I think for our listeners, you may have realized that you have been questioning yourself

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over can I really?

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I believe that they are seeds or arrows that have been put in the atmosphere around you

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to try and get you to undermine yourself.

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But I think there are the Sambala and Tobias spirits that come to your atmosphere and get

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you to question yourself and you to start to doubt your own ability to build and your

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own ability to fulfill the call of God.

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And it's in those spaces where you have to say where that oppression has come in and

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where there has been arrows sent, you know, and fluttering around my mind of a can I really

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do that?

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Will I really be able to achieve that?

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Will I really be able to do what God has asked?

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It's interesting.

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I was at the hairdressers and last week to my usual scalp bleach to get the very blonde

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hair and I'd sauntered afterwards into the bakery next door and I thought, oh, pick up

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some nice treats for the family for dinner after dinner.

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And I said there was no there was nobody else there apart a couple of shop assistants.

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Very lovely.

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And I'd actually not spotted the bakery before.

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What's really good to eat?

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For a sweet treat.

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And they of course started saying about the chocolate brownies.

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And I said, just like as a knee jerk reaction, oh, my goodness, I can't stand chocolate.

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And they're like, why?

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And then without even a thought of where I was, I said, because I decreed it and it became

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my reality.

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So they said they actually they were genuinely fascinated.

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They said to me, what what what do you mean?

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You know, so I said, well, I went on this weird journey where I thought I would test

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if I spoke something I lied, the impact it would have.

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So I said for a long time, I hate chocolate.

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That wasn't true because I really like mint arrow.

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Anyway, and I actually like mint mint chocolate.

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I used to like it a lot, quite a lot.

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And then one day I'd said it as a joke.

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I hate chocolate.

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I hate chocolate.

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It was like a health thought in my head.

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But I said it so many times, I went into the garage to pay for a petrol for the car gas

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station petrol station.

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And I was standing by the chocolate and I felt physically sick.

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And I suddenly realized that I had spoken so many times in such a kind of banal, almost

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like jovial, jokey way, I hate chocolate, I hate chocolate, that I had created a physical

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response in my body.

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And now, whenever anybody gives me chocolate, buys or offers me a chocolate pudding or cake,

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I, I just I just can't even touch it because I have decreed something that was so almost

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inconsequential.

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And so I had that conversation with the bakery ladies and they gave me lemon cheesecake.

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So that that's good.

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It was very good.

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That's my local bakery now.

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Oh, of course.

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Yes, of course.

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Cause you're moving house with Bella into that area.

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And it was good to know.

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And like a spice, a spiced pumpkin cinnamon spice marmalade muffin.

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With Marscapone on the top.

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Sorry.

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Now we are.

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I was taking notes for my own for your own edification.

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But the point of all of that is we then had a conversation about the power of the tongue.

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And they then said, had I tried that in other situations?

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And I said, well, actually, yes, with my children and I decreed over Peter, you know, you'll

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be a giant of a man physically.

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And now he's got these monstrous size feet, knees tall and breaking all of our family

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records.

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So I do think that in all of this, we're, you know, in the I don't like chocolate nonsense

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that we must really watch that we don't just go, well, they had an off day and they were

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mean to me or somebody was a wee bit rude to me and go, it doesn't matter.

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It really does matter when something is said, whether with deliberate mal intent or a throw

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away line from somebody else, or you echo it and you internally digest it and rethink

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it over yourselves.

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It actually changes your physical frame and it opens the door to depression and ill health

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and this discouragement portion that we see that the enemy knows what he's doing.

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Now, it's not that you can't tell the truth, but I really feel like we've got to, in particularly

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in days of war, come back to a robust conversation about our conversations and what are we allying

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in our atmosphere, what are we allowing to hang around us that maybe somebody, you know,

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it's a funny thing.

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Somebody was very rude to me recently and I don't think they meant to be because actually

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they're a friend, but they said to me, because I had some plumping lipstick on and some,

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and they just said to me, oh, I really miss, I really miss your thin, elegant lips.

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I don't like the current shape of your lips, Emma.

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Now I did think, how do you respond to that?

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Because that hangs, it's almost inconsequential, but it hangs and I'm very able to go, oh,

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don't be so ridiculous.

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And I told a friend, in fact, a husband and wife team who are down in England and the

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husband and wife team, I think they'd been long in Christian ministry.

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This is over the weekend when I was traveling, I was telling them about this comment about

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my lips and they grabbed hold of me, the pair of them and actually almost over the top seriously

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went I love your lips and I thought, no, this sounds a bit inappropriate.

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But mercifully it was a husband and wife team and they were just like, and I'm like, right,

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that's enough now.

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But they didn't stop because they understand how you undo that.

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And so literally both this husband and wife team who are great friends of mine and I don't

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get to see them as often as I would like.

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And I don't even know how I came to share the story.

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But they were like grabbing hold of me and all they would say to me is, your lips are

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so gorgeous, your lips are so amazing.

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I love how full your lips are.

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I love your lipstick.

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I'm like, thanks, but can we just stop this conversation piece now?

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But they understood that a Samballa and a Tobiah spirit, I think, takes many different

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forms, this discouragement and that actually there are ways that we need to be robust at

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curating the atmosphere and how easily something can get under the skin and be a source of

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great discouragement.

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Let's look at the scripture together, Sam, and what's the solution here?

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We're in Nehemiah chapter four.

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Yeah.

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And so you have it all throughout this story in this chapter of the resistance and there's

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resistance and then the people, you know, there's a prayer that goes up, you know, hear

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as God for we are despised and this real overcoming.

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But you see that at the end of the chapter, well, actually halfway through the chapter

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that Nehemiah is commissioning the people number one into family groups, which is important.

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That's curate your atmosphere here.

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What Emma was saying, get around people who are family, who have your back, who are on

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your side and whose side you are on and you cover each other.

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But he commissions them to work with swords at their side.

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And actually there's a remarkable verse that says that they worked and in one hand they

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held a weapon and in the other hand they carried materials and so they went to work and they

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went to war at once.

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And these Sam ballot and Tobias spirits, they come out and you deal with them not by negotiation,

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but by war.

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And you have to get your war mindset on here and start to say where they have come to me,

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whether that be to myself directly or through other people, I go to war and I do not permit

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these spirits to resist what God is building through me.

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And the fascinating thing here in Nehemiah's story is the stride and see of the violent

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response.

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Absolutely.

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This cannot hang.

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This cannot stay.

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And the understanding that discouragement to the body of Christ is so deeply, deeply

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erosive that they are willing to and not let it go and not just say, oh, you know what,

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we'll let that hang a little bit sort of go away and it'll sort of be okay.

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No, absolutely not.

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And when I'm reading verse 15, what our enemies heard that we were aware of their plot.

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In other words, the enemy then sees you know that you're not going to stand for this and

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that God had frustrated it.

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We all returned to the wall, each to our work and the sense of saying I am now aware that

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I have undergone a campaign, not just of the most obvious discouragement, but of subtle

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discouragements and now I need to become aware of the impact that is having and I need to

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war in the spirit and start to say that cannot have access to my atmosphere.

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That cannot stand.

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That must not stay.

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And I, I tear it up and I receive the encouragement of the voice of the Lord.

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Yeah.

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I think, look, we have all probably, you know, myself and you guys listening, we've all probably

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reflected on maybe some area of wounding in our lives or area of pain or offense or difficulty.

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Did you just spill that?

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Sorry.

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I just took a drink of water and spilled it all down myself.

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Was that smooth?

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Sorry.

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I was hoping you wouldn't redraw attention to my inability to drink through the straw.

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But we have all probably had moments where God dealt with a wounding or God dealt with

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something in our lives that actually came in through something really simple or through

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something that in the moment you thought that I'm fine with that.

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I'll just move on.

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I think that's a statement, something that was slightly offensive and maybe are rude,

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but it wasn't full blowing, blown an attack against you.

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And then years later there's a big wounding because we didn't deal with it in the moment.

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I think why this is really important right now is we are living in days where there is

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such a speed of change.

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There is, it feels like we're spinning a million plates.

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God is not moving sequentially right now.

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He's moving simultaneously.

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Many things all at once are happening and we're watching that across the earth.

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We don't have the time to sit and or to just assume, well, that didn't affect me.

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That didn't bother me.

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That won't land and move on to then realize it did land and there's bitterness or there's

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unforgiveness or there's a wounding.

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And you've got to be quick at saying that is a Sam Ballot spirit.

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That's a Tobiah spirit.

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And in the moment saying I'm rejecting it, it's not landing.

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I'm going to war.

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I'm taking the sword in one hand and I'm going to cut those ties.

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I'm going to cut those arrows off and I'm going to push out of my atmosphere.

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I'm going to push out of my body.

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Every curse or everything of just undermining and I'm not going to let anything land.

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And look, if you are unsure if something has bothered you, there is still no harm in praying

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to make sure it hasn't.

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Don't wait until you know it's bothered you.

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Don't wait until you have a symptom that you have unforgiveness or a curse has landed or

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something has affected you.

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Just deal with it anyway, no matter how little or great the word is.

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And often it's the little things that are said when you're weary or tired.

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And you know, I notice in this passage that the Sam Ballot and Tobiah plan to invade just

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after the workers are saying we're actually getting weary and verse 10, they're getting

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weary and it's at that point that the resistance comes in to try and undermine.

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And I want to say to you, deal with it even if you aren't, even if you think, oh, that's

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so little, that seems so juvenile, that seems so silly, surely that's not affected me.

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Deal with it anyway.

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Don't let the words land and then weeks and months down the line be wounded because of

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them.

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I want to put this, you know, chat together, Sam, into the, as you were pushing there helpfully

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today's context, we could probably have this kind of conversation about Nehemiah 4 at any

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point in the history of the church, because most of us have something that's going on

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where somebody's been a bit off with us.

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I do think that this is very serious now.

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You've got to be able to not be shaken.

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Come on.

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What we did in the pandemic a few years ago was a trial run and we were very shaken and

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there was a complete collapse of a lot of mental health all round about us, particularly as

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a mom of teenagers.

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I was aware of the struggle within that generation and the inability to know how to hold a mental

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space.

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And now we have to lay hands on our own heads and say, I will hold a mental space and I

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will not let these things come against me.

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And the interesting thing with Nehemiah is it's the war.

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It's the war mindset that you have to go to in these situations.

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Now, I think when we hit World War Three and the wars increase and they spill over the

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current boundary to places that they are in in the world and we are in multiple wars on

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multiple continents that start to then join up together, you've got to know how to do

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what David says after the war at Ziklag where he strengthens himself in the Lord.

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And part of it is not just can I pray in tongues and can I sing a worship song or can I hang

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out with my friends, but do I actually know how to go into the spirit and say any atmosphere

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of discouragement, depression, any words that are loitering in my atmosphere, I clean them

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out in Jesus name.

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And there's almost a militancy that needs to come to that.

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Absolutely.

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I hope my my sons won't mind me telling this story.

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And Samuel, in his previous school before we moved house this year, he had really unpleasant

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bullying situation with a child who, for obvious reasons, I won't name, but it's just unpleasant.

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It's just unpleasant.

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And you obviously, as their uncle, will be aware of all of that and really tough, tough

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stuff and he moves schools and we talk that to one side.

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And all of a sudden, I'm away traveling last weekend.

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I get this alert in our family group chat on WhatsApp and the child who bullied Samuel

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has gone missing and he didn't take his bank cards.

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He didn't take his phone.

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He was 15, 16 and had disappeared off and had only taken two teddy bears.

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Well, the spirit of the Lord rose up at me to fight for this child's life.

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And my elder son, Peter, said that looks like suicide.

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That looks like it's, you know, he's going to go and do himself some harm.

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And then my boys are having to wrestle.

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How do you think through the life of a bully and what he had sown into their lives and

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how we'd had to look after our son?

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And I was so impressed with my boys that their response was he will live to go to war for

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him.

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He will live and he will not die.

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And I'm driving around the south coast of England and every spare moment I'm saying,

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Satan, you cannot have this child's life.

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You cannot have this child's life.

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Well, by day three, when this child is still missing and the police are right and it's

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in all the national press and we are all thinking, oh, my, this is going to this is not going

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to end well.

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And we're warfareing and we're warfareing.

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And you're facing then in that moment, the reality of a child's pain as adults.

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But my boys are facing this whole situation and they're having to go.

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I release forgiveness for what you said over me, your life counts.

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And they were forced by God to deal with unkindness in their own hearts.

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They were forced into this situation.

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Do you say, well, that he deserves it?

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And, you know, and that actually what I go to war against is not necessarily the individual,

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but I go to war against what is hung in the atmosphere, but what has been wrongly released.

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But I start to say, you know, over this child, you will be healed and you will be well and

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you will not take your own life.

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And so we went to war.

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And I think it was the fourth day where we got the news that he had been found and he

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was alive and the whole family sat when I came back home, just celebrating that the

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prayers of the righteous were powerful and effective.

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But at the same time, in my conversations with my youngest son, we were able to finally

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lift off the impact of the bullying because how many times do you and I lay hands on adults

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in their 40s and 50s and we're still saying, I lift the effect of your childhood off you.

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I lift the effect of the bullying off you.

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I have to say, I had even prayed that in ministry over the weekend where I was traveling over

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many, it's almost like a standard thing you and I pray as ministers of the gospel and

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this sense of I'm going to bless those who have cursed me.

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I'm going to forgive them.

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I'm going to release them.

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I'm going to not hold a record of wrong, but I am not going to let it impact my life going

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forward and I'm going to go after their wellbeing and my own wellbeing at the same time.

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And I think in these days of war, you got to know how to do that because you're going

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to have to be able to stand stronger than you've ever stood.

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As the call of verse 18, each of the builders carried their sword at their side.

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And you've got to do that.

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You have to, in this season, have your sword at your side and you are going to war.

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This is not a season to sit and reflect and to muse and to linger in these moments.

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It's a season to say, I am going to war.

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I'm not going to let that depression come at me.

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I'm not going to let that anxiety come at me.

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And can I say this?

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Most of the time, Satan puts in the atmosphere what was once inside of you.

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And so if you've had a battle with depression or you've had a, you know, a victory over

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anxiety, he'll try and put it in the atmosphere so that you go into a guilt trap of, did I

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welcome it back in again?

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No, it's in the atmosphere.

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And he will try and put it there as an oppression.

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And I want to say to you, you've got to get your sword at your side and be ready at every

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moment to go to war and to be quick to decree that assignment doesn't get to land in the

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name of Jesus.

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Yeah.

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Holding an emotional mental space of wellness is now key in these days.

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And I would love to say to you that, oh, it's somebody else's responsibility.

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No, it is your own responsibility.

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It is your own responsibility to not go under and to grab the friends around you and put

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them in place and say, I'm going to take responsibility.

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Can you help me do this?

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Come on.

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In the measurement of your own internal and mental dynamics that you maintain this space.

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And may you know the wisdom and the wildness of Nehemiah who knew what it was to take an

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entire family, entire people, group, an entire tribe to the place where they pushed back

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the enemy assignment of discouragement and depression.

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So we bless you are loyal listeners into that ability in Jesus mighty name.

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Well thank you for joining us in this episode of What the Prophets Say with me, Emma Stark

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and Sam Robertson.

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We have loved your company and we bless you and we will look forward to you joining us

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again for another episode of What the Prophets Say.

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Bye.

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Thank you for listening to this episode of What the Prophets Say with me, Emma Stark.

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If you would like to go deeper with us, you would be very welcome to join our network,

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