Blast off what's really good ladies and gentlemen.
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Tina's so Anyone who's talking wrestling number
one topic has got to be the greatest of all time
John Cena, right? So Don't know how I feel because
literally I'm gonna I'm trying not to make this
long -winded. So I'm out of life. I'm telling
Take your time cuz there's gonna be a long almost
an hour episode of John Cena. So yeah for sure
Are you system brother? So I'm with the wife
and my son and I'm like his last match and I'm
not one of these OD wrestling fans that have
to watch something right like I'm not one of
those. I watch it when I watch it, but... When
we've been doing this, we've never had a top
five, depending on who you want to slot one through
five, I don't care. Since doing these podcasts,
we've never had Cena, Hogan, retire. I mean,
Flair, Hogan, The Rock. We didn't have those.
We didn't have a podcast at that time. It's The
Vault Times. We have to cover like this. So...
Not only that, I'm a big Cena fan. I love Cena.
I love what he stands for and everything. John
Cena just seems like a good egg, right? So what
pisses me off about the situation is not the
fact that he took an L on his last fight. It
has nothing to do with that. John Cena stood
for, right, it was on all of his t -shirts. Never
give up was one of his catchphrases. And you
decided to make him tap out and give up. I have
a deal with this because this is a once in a
lifetime type of wrestler, right? We're never
going to have a John Cena again. Like we're never
going to have a Ric Flair. Like we're never going
to have the Rock or Austin, Hogan. We're never
going to have those guys. And I kind of liked
when he gave that smirk like, you got me. I'm
out right So I was like, you know what? I'll
take that because I hated I hated him tapping
out Let it be I don't care anything but him tapping
out. Yeah, I think it's absolute bullshit So
I feel away my wife feels away who's not the
biggest wrestling fan. She likes wrestling fan
Alex was super Pissed off and we're all like
yo, this is fucking all the wrestlers start coming
in and I'm like Alright, I know what's going
on here. They're gonna do the clap go around
the ring, you know, it's what they they do for
their legends, right? When seeing punk of all
people came in, you know, I'm not a seeing punk
fan Cody Rhodes came in seeing punk puts the
belt on Cena's shoulder Cena try to tell them
not it's all good baby. Like now and Cody Rhodes
Oh You're you're the guy right like this what
I will say As I remember a long time ago, when
Hulk Hogan had his last match, The Rock and John
Cena put their belts on Hulk Hogan. So he got
to get that tribute back to him, right? I thought
that was super special. There's a few things
with this run that we were excited about and
nothing had happened, kind of like. It was, oh,
Cena turned heel for the first time ever and
then we never seen The Rock or him do anything
again. You're like, all right, that made no sense.
I like this little thing with Dominic Mysterio,
even though Donovan is red hot. I think when
we do a trivia at some point in our life, the
last belt that Cena held who beat him, Dominic
Mysterio will always be tied to that wrestling
history. So pretty cool, but You look at this
guy's legacy and what he meant to the business.
I Think they did an injustice with him tapping
out. I I'm like fan of Gunther You know Gunther
comes from my love for ICW in progress and all
that other shit. So I Think that it was a it
was a good match. It made Gunther, you know,
Gunther is a beast already. It's not like he
eats this push But I mean, up into his car because
people wanted to attack this guy. This is the
kind of heat country is gonna have for a little
while because you just tapped out John Cena,
right? I'm a little upset about it though, right?
It's our first one that we actually have to talk
about, not just text each other, yo, Cena's last
match, all right, cool, and whatever. We gotta
sit here and actually talk and get our feelings
across. of how do we feel about last match? How
do we feel about this last run? What's next,
right? Like we know he's gonna go into movies
and do all his TV show stuff and all that stuff.
You don't see this, he's a busy guy. But we just
lost one of the greatest of all time. My bad,
just talk to me. This is gonna be a long show
on this. Like I said, this is gonna be, the whole
show is gonna be about around Cena, so. You go
ahead take out of your system. I just want to
say one thing You always mentioned your wife
is not a big wrestling fan. Yeah, but wife is
always I every wrestling show period from from
Everywhere you go resting. She's always there.
Well from the days Not being a wrestling fan
the lady is there at every show I won't I gotta
say So she liked it like before she knew me like
when she was she was a fan of wrestling, you
know, she like Hulk Hogan and macho man all these
guys and When we went to impact it was for me
in the boys, right? She kind of was just like
it was cool. Whatever right like inside I'm going
with the family and then she got to meet people
like Bram Chains storm who she became very familiar
with and you know He knew her first name and
they were cool. So there were a lot of wrestlers
like she loves rock star spud. So it kind of
We always say, watch on TV, but if you're at
in a venue, if you're there, it's awesome. If
the crowd is good, the energy is amazing. But
the one thing I'll say is she does know certain
wrestlers I like and she'll make it a point to
sit with me and have this fun. She knows me,
you talk this shit. She took a bunch of pictures
on her phone. If you guys need something that
came out really cool of John Cena I'll throw
them on Instagram because we bring it up urban
wrestling network on Instagram But um, yeah,
she just she said staring does it but she'll
always say I'm not a fan, right? But when we're
sitting there and and we got a massive like wraparound
couch and a huge TV And I'm sitting there. I'm
just shutting the fuck up enjoying the the end,
right? I know we're gonna talk this so I'm processing
How am I going to talk this shit with muffins?
And you know, it's more than just watching the
event. I know we got to do this. So I'm just
sitting in the cut and she's like, no moves.
I'm like, yo, relax. Let me watch. She's like,
yo, this is bullshit. I'm like, I thought you
said you don't really like wrestling. But she
gets so dialed into it. But you know, she likes
to say it. I'll say it. But even with her, she
understood like when we were actually when we
were raising Rob, our oldest was 25 now. He is
the scene a kid right like he was a little kid
when Cena first came in dealing with the undertaker.
Yeah So Cena was very big in our home our now
25 year old Grew up watching him. So she was
invested in him like because we got all the DVDs
and everything to watch at home You know, so
and this is what I say end of an era We see the
gun taker on TV. We see Triple H on TV Don't
think we're gonna see John Cena on T unless you're
watching. What's that show that he's on now?
It's like a superhero Peacemaker right If you
watch that yeah, but that's not WWE that that's
it I don't think he's gonna be one of these guys
that come back and do the What they said that
he signed off is there three or five year deal
with don't leave where he's actually gonna be
Showing up at the shows, but it's more as a Like
a backstage person kind of like the rock does
yeah helping out You know doing stuff like this
here, and so we will see him more often We just
would not see him wrestling and then now that's
what scene is to us right? Yeah Yeah, so but
the thing is like you know going back to the
whole match itself I Didn't like the ending Did
not like the ending I hated it. I really hated
the ending. I would have liked them for him to
pass out To yeah, okay And not do this crappy
Look, where's the camera? We're supposed to look
at all supposed to look here. Okay, I'm gonna
look at the camera give you this and then Like
we just look like this is how they wanted me
to go out. Yeah, I feel look on his face So I
did not like the finish of that at all. I did
not like it fans Going crazy After the whole
thing in Gunther having to get walked to the
to the bus ridiculous and and having fans, you
know Cursing at him, you know a few Gunther and
stuff that right there. It's all right There
is just gives wrestling fans a bad name who are
you resting fans? Dude, it's a scripted show.
It's like he was like, for the world, if Gunther
wins, then they're going to pass this law that
you can't do this or that for the next, whatever.
And people are going crazy. No, dude, like, no.
You don't go out there and start approaching
the man out, and he has to get some kind of,
you know, security. Detail walk to to the to
the bus. No, that's that's uncalled for I was
like totally uncalled for see and the thing that
the thing that pisses me off is yes Listen, we
understand wrestling is fake. We understand it's
scripted right? Like let's not act like fucking
idiots We all understand is scripted and they're
the dictated winner of Pre predetermined Twitter.
Let me say that most of these guys are friends
Most of them hang out happy years together. Most
of them chill and have a good time. But like
the thing is people fucking relax You act like
Cena didn't know this was gonna happen. He knew
it was gonna happen. Why are you making it this
crazy? It's a show it's Entertainment, you know,
like what are you? What are you threatening somebody
for? Yeah, dad right there make no sense to me.
Um Go after show thing one day which I hate this
part all this stupid interview like post post
You do afterwards. I I hate that I hate that
I I don't know what They're trying to be UFC.
Yeah, exactly. But then Triple H getting booed
and, you know, FU and all the kind of stuff.
I'm pretty sure, and I'll bet this, Triple H
had nothing to do with how this finish was. I'm
pretty sure this is all TKO sat down around people.
What is the best way for him to go out? And Triple
H being the face that's always there, he's going
to get the heat for it. So I'm pretty sure him
being a former wrestler for a long time. I'm
pretty sure that's not the way he wanted things
to end but he's being the fake he's gonna take
the heat for it and They were giving him the
heat so to sit there and saying and blame him
for You know, well what you can't do this to
seen about I'm pretty sure he had nothing to
do with that. He just hey I'm just a face of
the company. I'm just an employee. I work here
That's what they wanted to do and You're not
gonna see a TKO president or anybody else from
the board of directors sitting there taking questions
Okay, so that's why you have that's why you have
the the face figure being triple -edged the one
as the president that's gonna be there all the
time and And take the heat for the good stuff
and take the heat for when shit goes bad which
in this case people didn't like this so He's
going to have to be there. He's in the line of
fire, period. So the way I can say that is we
know that years ago, Dana White sold USC, right?
He's not the owner of USC. He works for whoever
bought it. I guess it's TKO. Yeah, TKO on Saudi
Arabia. OK. So who sits there for talks, every
event, for everything? White, right? It's Dana
White, because you know him. You identify with
him as the guy of ufc They put him to precedent
and he's the face of the company even though
he's like the president of the states. He's a
puppet. Yeah, so if I sat back If I sat back
today And I went on my phone and i'm tko and
I said your hunter you're fired. I don't need
you Okay, one you're gonna piss off a lot of
people because what they identify as with their
own. He's our entertainment and our favorite
wrestlers and all that other shit, Shawn, Michael,
Sue. And the next day, some random guy, Joe,
whatever, comes out and he's the face of wrestling.
Who the fuck is this guy? Exactly. Okay, so relax
with fucking every time something bad happens.
Listen, somebody's got to fall on the sword.
When shit bad happens in UFC, they ain't a white
fold on the sword. When bad shit happens in NXT,
same shit with Triple H, right? It's the same
thing where when Impact got bought by Ed Nordholm,
what's that shit called again? Yeah, Anthem.
Anthem. Okay, we've seen all wrestlers come on
there. And then you kind of seen Ed Nordholm
moving around. You're like, nobody gives a fuck
about this guy. You're not a wrestler. You have
no fucking no pedigree in this. Nobody cares
about you. They figured it out quick. kept it
right back on town like all right, let me just
keep my ass away from this because You know people
don't want to see me, but he was always at the
event. Well, it's the same. Okay, so yeah Dixie
took some spots Well, this was this he was always
other against when she was the president Yeah,
when Ed when they do when they put Ed norm home
as the face or whatever the president He was
always out of the event because I used to take
pictures with him all the time and then now When
they did the whole reshuffle It's Carlos Silva.
He's always at the vets. So he's there now. But
when you think about it, and I'm not so last
because I don't really watch a lot of impact.
I do know because when you send me things Santino
Marella is very highly on screen. Right. And
I'm OK with Santino being what he is. I'm OK
with it because I think he's a funny guy and
you know, whatever. He's all right. But you gotta
respect it, but if something happens, guy, who
do you think is gonna pull on it? It's gonna
be Carl Silver. When that live grenade comes
up, all right, Carl Silver, that's you. Boom,
you gotta deal with it, right? It just, it bothers
me, bro, because we get wrapped up, me, you,
Rob K, whoever, whoever talks any kind of wrestling
from independent to majors. People like us get
tied in with these assholes. Ah, look at these
nerds, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know?
Look, they think it's real, whatever. It's real?
The fucking - It's real to me, Jeff. It's real
to me, Jeff. It's real to me. And I just had
a conversation with somebody, one of the Ice
Wars fighters. And it actually makes sense for
me to say what I'm gonna say. So he was talking
about belts. Ice Wars don't have belts yet. And
he knows I'm a wrestling fan. So he goes, ah,
yeah, but it's a lot tougher than wrestling.
No, it's not I said you guys fight once every
other month. Yep Wrestlers let's just say WWE
and AW these guys are in a different city every
week Let me explain to you how the body takes
a toll when you're not sleeping in your own bed
I'm not even talking about being at an event
getting fucking suplex or or power bump, I'm
not even talking about that. I'm talking about
losing rest, right, because you're traveling,
jet lag, moving around. Then you got to go out
there and get slammed on wooden boards with mats
that are this big. OK, that's your padding while
your body's hitting it. So don't act like we
don't know the fucking game. Like I've set rings
up, like I've taken a few bumps. This shit sucks.
But This is the shit these guys. Yes, it's fake.
Okay, but the injuries the bumps the bruises
All this shit is super real go. All right. Well
shit Why do you think these guys have the time
with them moving around don't want to sit there
and sign something? They're fucking exhausted.
They're hungry. They're fucking beat the hell
up You know what I mean? And it takes a toll
and it but then you got a guy like Cena who if
there's a little kid He's popping pictures What's
up, you know, da da da. You know what I mean?
We had a great one literally Yeah, and the thing
that I was gonna say also I've lived already
a lifetime where I seen My favorite rest is grow
up where I was growing up. Yeah the four horsemen
Midnight Express Rock and Roll Express You know
all those guys Come in and they're retired. Now,
and this is a question that I want to ask you
about this year. Now, we went into W3 or WF and
then to W3. Under Vince McMahon, there was The
Rock, Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, Triple H,
Undertaker. And the last one under Vince McMahon's
watch, John Cena. So all of McMahon's creations
The one the last guy that was there was John
Cena retired on Saturday. So everybody under
the Uncle Vince Eiffel that he spent his time
and energy to build as that next superstar is
Gone, so that's another 20 years of our life
25 years of our life that we've ex Put into this
that's gone and it's over. So now the now you
guys should go and say, okay The uncle Vince
McMahon book is closed. The chapter is closed
So now a new book, would you call Roman? Would
you call Roman a Vince guy? Not really because
He hasn't done have I mean he has even touch
have of any of those guys that I've mentioned's
career yet. No, no, I think my question was more
like, would you consider him a Vince McMahon
guy? Or would you consider him a Vince McMahon
Triple H guy? Exactly. I consider him more of
that new regime when Triple H was already there
with Shawn Michaels, still under McMahon, not
under the McMahon watch from before. So now,
moving forward, the Uncle Vince chapter book,
whatever you call it, is closed. Now, more question
to you is this. A new chapter's gonna open now
under the Triple H slash TKO book now. Now, just
moving forward, we're going to put... Who? Randy
Orton. Oh yeah, Randy, oh yes. Yeah, but, I mean...
He's I mean he's not seen that he's not the rock
Unfortunately, unfortunately his body has let
him down the last couple of years Yeah, a lot
of injuries to his neck a lot of time off. I
mean year year and a half Fortunately for Cena
Cena was never if he was injured He was never
injured like this like he was all for for a year
and a half Yeah, you know I'm saying I think
I think Cena had like one major issue the shoulder
I believe And he was back quick. Yeah, well,
then he came back in that mania early. I mean
not mania, uh, yeah, yeah, number 30 and the
whole place Madison Square Garden went crazy
when nothing exploded so Randy Orrin, unfortunately
I consider him like halfway already retired.
So yeah, so so he's still under McMahon's watch
but Just a meta time when they will say okay
He's gone. So I don't I don't know I but I see
your point but now moving forward under the new
TKO book with Triple H Who do you see as that
breakout star? Like you said now Roman Reigns
could be that guy now under the Triple H TKO
Seth Rollins, but I mean Seth Rollins keeps falling
apart Yeah, I was thinking Seth Rollins, but
then when you were talking injuries, I'm like
damn he's always hurt. He's always hurt. Cody
gets hurt, Cody gets hurt, but not for long term.
Yeah, but Cody was under McMahon and then he
left. Well, see, that's why I won't say, I won't
give Cody a McMahon thing. It's not because he
left and he wasn't even that big when he was
in the McMahon regime either. You know, he was
like exactly he went to impact his pain and star
dust or whatever. Yeah, and gold dust And we
built himself somewhere else for years and came
back and now you have this serious Cody Rose
Wait, I mean and that's the thing with Cody and
I'm glad you bring him up So Cody jumped to impact
right cuz I was there when he was there. Yeah
Cody was there Did his thing for a few months?
I think it was like four or five months whatever
it was. Yeah, because he did he went to ROH TNA
New Japan So he was he made a list and he was
in a bullet club for a while And he was hitting
all those places for storylines for three to
four months per Company doing things for them.
He jumped to AEW was there for a little bit,
right? When he won the NWA belt So Matt, yeah,
which was listen also, um, and we're not talking
we'll eventually have a cody listen me me and
Muffins We're gonna be doing this for many more
years. Um, we're winning that belt in nwa We'll
talk about that at another time when that cody
shit comes up, but that shit was special even
even if Whatever see who dusty son. Yeah men
more. Um cody He jumped around like we said,
um hold his game When he came back to WWE, he
wasn't Stardust or Goldust, right? He was a legit
and Triple H. Exactly. What did you think of
Cody standing around looking hurt at Cena's shoes
and his armbands? Did you see the video? Well,
yeah, I saw the video, but you still haven't
answered my question. I don't want to jump and
jump. Who do you see as - the new phase taking
over the new chapter book under the Triple H
TKO regime. So I got you. I got you. You're going
to fall under Triple H now. I got too old and
I think he's close to the end, right? So AJ will
never be a WWE guy. No, he's a TNA guy. He's
a TNA guy, period. Yes. You know, and people
could say, oh, he was ROH, New Japan. No, he's
a TNA guy. He's a TNA guy. Fucking relax. I would
love to say aging because he's older and he you
know, he still got some great matches in him
But I think it's cody rhodes and I know people
are gonna get mad But I think it's fucking dominic
mysterio Okay, see young guy mid -20s If he avoids
any type of injuries He's gonna be there for
the next 20 25 years easy Easy he will be the
he'll be don't probably turn face now and then
have him run as a face for the next 20 years
and then when we're in our 70s, we'll see him
turn heel and they all this is the same thing
to do with John Cena towards the end of his career
I was gonna say you are brown breaker a style
like Ron. You know, my problem is with brawn.
We're in an era where Promo work is needed Right,
and I know you could put like a Paul Heyman with
him or whatever. I know that I get that but Braun
Breaker doesn't feel like Brock Lesnar, right?
Like yeah, he's an athletic guy. Yeah, he's strong.
I forgot Brock Lesnar on their McMahons regime
Yeah, that's what I'm saying when I think when
I think Somebody I would call home, right? Brock
was too in and out with UFC. Yeah Right, so I
wouldn't consider him even though yeah, and you
know, whatever Um, and then if you know, we'll
eventually if smart asses watch this they'll
probably go what about drew mcintyre? Drew hasn't
been drew forever. He's in a he's a mid -car
tier guy It did this drew wasn't the same dude.
I was there the first time No, it's not it's
not the same guy and then drew like cody rose
built itself outside of del deli He went to evolve
before, you know, if all was a thing impact to
impact to in TNA He that's what he really blew
up was in TNA before he went back to the three
and became this Drew McIntyre that we see now,
so He's a great wrestler, yes, you could talk
about when you look at tears right like real
quick so When we talk to Cena's, the Rocks, the
Austin's, Hogan's, Flair's, that's the ones that
they're all on Mount Rushmore, but there's only
four heads, but they're all on Mount Rushmore,
right? So you could debate who's there, but they're
the greatest of all time. And then you have the
tier underneath them that are fucking legends,
right? Randy Orton is one of those guys that's
right on the scene on all them. Drew McIntyre
is underneath Randy Orton. He's fun to watch.
He's strong, physical, all that shit. But he's
just not that guy. And I respect the shit out
of him. But when we're looking, we go, OK, do
I think Gunther, seen his last match, do I think
Gunther is going to be the next big, hopefully,
right? I know he's been killing it now. I know
a lot of people didn't like him prior. I mean,
phenomenal wrestler. Let's just keep going. And
if he stays healthy, the next 10 years, he'll
give push. When you know, he'll be You know,
he's really in years I still think they should
have got this should they should have had somebody
younger go up against Cena Like like you just
mentioned at Dominic Mysterio. Yeah in for Dominic
Dominic to defeat Cena in his last match. Oh
my god, that would have been the rub to start
him from there because He's already killing it
He would have got the feather and his cap that
would have been it because the next 25 30 years
He's it I mean he's the mid 20s and that's where
that's where we were talking about who should
have that last match, right? And this is where
the gun to think to me. Did it make sense? Don't
is already over as a world champion exactly He
don't need this. It did nothing for him besides
I Understand I'm once again. This is where Our
heads are the same. Yeah, you see it from a business
point and we see it from How are we gonna get
money out of this because people forget the bottom
line is money Absolutely, you got you have to
pay your you have to pay your bills and you have
to keep your stockholders happy When you have
it when you have a list of names, okay This is
the list of guys that we're gonna have in this
tournament who on this list do we see? the guy
who's gonna finish him you have Carmelo Hayes
you had the miss you all these names and you
go like And you get to Gunther and you go, okay
Gunther He's been a heavyweight champion already
He you know, he the dude is solid He's he built
his name in the indies as Walter. He got to this
point Once again, I'm pretty sure this was not
a triple H decision This is a Stockholders decision
with TKO and whoever the head you know, who are
the heads of the beast? Nick Khan Whoever owns
TKO are the Saudi Arabians and Triple H is there?
You know Mac Manning Vince Uncle Vince is no
longer in there. I'm pretty sure and I'll be
and I'm shooting for the hip here now I promise
you that if uncle Vince was there Uncle Vince
would have had two finishes where Cena wins Just
to shoot him out into the sunset with a win or
Cena loses but he passes out from the choke and
Getting beat up like you know hitting on the
neck by Gunther that Gunther was doing and getting
to the point that he just passes out and that's
it He never submitted, he just passed out. So
meaning he did his, what's his phrase? Never
give up. Oh, hustle, loyalty, respect? Oh, the
never give up. So he went down, loyalty all the
way down to respect. He never quit, he never
tapped out, he just passed out. So he held on
to the end. You basically have to kill him, almost
kill him, to get him to end the match. That's
what uncle Vince would have done because that's
how much respect he has for John Cena as saying
you build me this Company for the last 20 years
you your your your loyalty your hard hustle.
You're I mean my god you you're you're the number
one guy for The wish kids was to what make a
big donation do how they were over a thousand
wishes or more if you know This guy's number
one and nobody's even close to him a second.
So yeah, you've done this, you know in and out
with no type of commotion no bitching not complaining
no TMC stories, uh John Cena was in the corner
drunk or he beat up this chick or He did this
to this, you know, there was never anything like
that about John Cena. Nope Who knows if stuff
like this will come out now after he retires
and now you know shit goes out now But he was
the he was your model employee that you build
around and you had him there I mean, I remember
he was saying that one of those uh things they
did with him that he where he hasn't slept in
three four days because he's flying from here
to the other side of the of the world to this
other side of the world To then have to go into
raw to have this match to then do this Do never
say no You're not gonna find a model employee
like that anymore No, his body's not gonna break
down in him. So What what what we just with this
was the last? Real wrestler from our generation
now we have to see it now And watch wrestling
now for the next 10 15 years to even come close
and say chef remember the conversation we have
when when I were back when Sina retired and I
was like 10 years later And we revisit this Johnson
that retired 10 years later the effect and we
sit here like no one has taken over Dudley since
Or or you know, don't really bought this other
company and I'm gonna say one more thing I'm
I'm pretty sure I feel it in my gut that we will
see John Cena next year wrestle in WrestleMania
because he'll be at Saudi Arabia and That money
talks. I don't care who you are money money brother
I know that but I'm pretty sure he's gonna be
there I'll give you that he's in one shape or
form. He will be there Now now wrestling don't
do something like they did with Steve Austin
comes out and host WrestleMania from you know,
he'll do like a hosting thing for ya in Saudi
Arabia I could see that happening in January
next year when they do Royal Rumble from Saudi
Arabia Like he'll be like the host and he'll
definitely be there. We did do a world rumble
and that's how well because next year all your
rumble is Saudi Arabia 2026 and then in 2027
WrestleMania is gonna be in Saudi Arabia That's
nice. So Imagine you have what the fuck is going
on out there dude, but since when does sports
or any business cares of what's going on over
there is You still got that's true. Look at the
NFL. Yeah, you see well We stay on our side get
our guys are girls safe there do the thing and
then have them come out They've done a bunch
of times they've been in war and a man was saying
them people down there Like no matter what and
we know from the from the right from hell plane
ride that happened a couple of years ago What
I can see Johnson in the air as an ambassador
for and I think that's that's gonna be his thing
He's gonna be like the ambassador for delivery
for the next three to five years because that's
his contract I can see that but in ring Yeah,
you never know. I'm just saying not not next
year for 2026, but maybe for 2027 You don't get
him in there to throw a couple of punches in
there You know like the old see that do he do
the shuffle thing? Yeah to somebody and then
get out So I can see that happening. But you
know, it is me I'm just saying I can see it happening.
And like you said he signed for three years As
an ambassador, so you're gonna be doing the thing
that the rock does be doing on the up here and
there Which is gonna be good and it'd be kind
of cool if he becomes like a on air. Um Character,
you know like like working for the league and
becomes like the I I listen for those guys there
for Magnus and peers and you know start making
matches. Oh, you know something. Yeah, you see
this that should happen here here Not every week,
but just having pop up here and there You know
and people and then your radius is gonna go up
because now then the most important thing going
forward is How are the ratings gonna be a? Affected
with John Cena no longer being there. Oh, yeah
Yeah, you're complaining about the rating that
your last superstar is done is over and it's
wild So let me give Cena a little more credit.
And let me give Triple H credit. Triple H was,
I can't remember what show he was on, one big
show. And he was saying that he wanted to give
John Cena a whole episode. Like the last SmackDown
he was on, he was gonna tailor it all around
SmackDown. And John Cena, he said, told them,
no, don't do that. People will get bored and
get stale. He said, what we should do is have
a lot of the young NXT guys, some of the legends.
We could see how far they alone and they can't
can they compete on this level? and We've never
seen that that is a wrestling mind You're right
your boy the guy to like the bouncy kid a jayvon
evans jayvon evans yo, dude He's he's getting
he's getting a lot of shine right now Like the
only one that was home is gonna be himself If
he has a good attitude, he doesn't do anything
stupid doesn't get injured you're gonna see him
getting pushed big -time because I mean what
two years the NXT I believe and he's not even
drafted to NXT and he has more matches that out
of those any see guys who are on the actual main
roster now I wanted to ask you about him I know
we're still talking Cena but on that that night
of Cena's last match was a whole show right And
we've seen Jayvon Evans and his tag team partner
who's the exhibition champion. From TNA, right?
TNA is getting some shine on that too. So it's
a big night and not for nothing to have a TNA
wrestler who's known as Jayvon Evans, half tag
team partner. You're on Cena's last match, there's
a lot of eyes on you. They went against AJ Styles.
and Dragon Lee Who you're a fan of Dragon Lee.
Yeah, I think that's and ages thousand, you know
both of them Absolutely. I know a lot of people
are taking shots at AJ Styles put a botch on
the the rope or whatever Hey, whatever it happens.
He's been doing this for over 30 years relax.
Yeah But even with a loss even with a loss I
seen Jayvon Evans and I'm like The sky is the
limits for this kid now what I felt about with
Desmond Xavier Yes, when he was an impact I felt
AJ Styles, right? Yeah, they didn't utilize them
whatever that's here or there Watching him in
a ring with AJ Styles made me feel like if WWE
plays this right? We could have the next AJ Styles
at 20 something years old right now. Yeah, I
know we don't have an exhibition match, but you
want to see high -flying speed athleticism I
mean the cat the kid is just incredible and I
was like To watch it be able to do that on that
scene a night with that many eyes on him. Yes
It cuz that listen, I'm pretty sure that that
fucking event is gonna have better ratings than
some pay -per -view. Are you sure? Yes last night
I'm waiting for the numbers. I'm pretty sure
they did millions. I will say at least over five
million, at least. I haven't seen the numbers,
but I'll be shocked if it's under five million.
Yeah, and Javon Evans gets the opportunity on
that night to showcase what he's got and against
AJ Styles, right? I mean, I think everybody went
through NXT except for AJ Styles, right? It just
starts with the first one that came straight
right to the thing then after that who's the
other one? Nobody it was over and then after
that they started sending everybody to NXT and
then up to the to the big majors So and then
edges tells even says that he wish he would have
been sent to NXT to kind of get Acclimated to
the WWE thing. Yeah going up, but he came right
into the Royal Rumble Right there and right from
there. He was there, but I want to ask you a
question about something Leon Slater being the
the TNA and you know TNA division champion At
a young age and you've been a veteran of TNA
Would you be jealous or would you have any animosity
towards Leon Slater? Because he's getting this
much shine in WWE Holding the belt for TNA and
you've been in TNA for a long time busting your
ass and doing this and doing that But then you
guys you are being overshadowed over the young
new car. I Mean what does jealousy play a part
in some of this? You know talent because I'm
pretty sure Somebody's gonna say damn this dude
is being here for a cup of coffee and this dude
was on just in his last match A vet this guy
is on every couple of paper views already With
them, you know with deadline and xt teaming with
a don't read guy I was attacking back and forth
from TNA and wrestling in over there and Don't
really events. So but I've been here for almost
ten years busting my ass I'm doing this and I'm
not getting the same shine as this kid is so
what's going on? let me explain to you what I
think because We've said this it's in our if
you want to look at just look for fucking pictures.
We always Label shit and everything. So just
say come together. We got we got fucking mad
fucking content on all that shit So if you want
to hear more go look for it, it's it's in our
shit. It's in NXT or impact Whatever. We got
fucking playlists for everything. So um Let me
say this like let's just say a moose and Eddie
Edwards Yeah, somebody like those guys. Okay,
so yeah, I get it right you've been there mad
long but Unfortunately if I'm an ex WWE I'm not
looking into you because your value to me is
already you're in your 30s mid 30s and I'm not
looking at you and it's not not because you're
not talented or because I don't think you've
cut a promo because I'm trying to bring up the
next 20 year old kid to be the next guy, right?
Um, and we've seen it with, uh, Jordana Grace,
right? They loved her. That's the waters with
her. Oh shit. You know who else we've seen and
fucking John Cena's last match on that night?
Joe Hendry, right? So Joe Henry comes up has
his little thing and you're like, oh shit. Why?
Because Joe Hendry is nuclear right now. But
Joe Hendry is now a WWE person now. He's a WWE
person But even listen, you know what I think
sealed the deal. I know I think they like But
they seen when they were oh wow Look at the crowd
in for NXT and that crowd started singing his
shit. They were like What the fuck was that right?
Like let's bring them back again Place went crazy.
Well, let's bring them in for a fucking Royal
Rumble. See what happens crowd goes crazy All
right, I know what we need to do, right? But
let's say they experimented with Desmond Xavier.
They didn't feel he fit whatever criteria in
NXT. See, they've had the rascals in the house.
They fit the criteria. Okay, y 'all can go back
to Impact then. This kid, we see something in
him. Now, my god, G -Bot Evans doesn't win a
lot. Let's just be honest. How many times have
you talked NXT and it's always after he loses
in something, right? But you don't always have
to win to be great right like look at a guy like
Roddy Piper One of the greatest losers I've ever
seen and people would hear the word losers. Oh,
he just tried to shit on Roddy Piper No, Roddy
Piper should never won the big one, but there
was no one like him in ring. He was a tough guy
Number one heel doing the whole Hogan era. Yeah,
Hogan with him is Nuka when he kills Nuka with
the coconut Jesus that still gives me nine minutes
Don't coconut and I mean that do knew how to
do heel work and that was him and knew how to
to fire him so I'm sitting back and I'm going
a kid for fucking impact wrestling right like
because you know you send me all the wrestling
shit and I'm like, oh fuck he's walking out with
the exhibition bill right like Before they could
even do this shit like that. Now. Yes. Well now
what you just said before I think people need
to listen to You said if this shit don't hit
five million People who watch you'd be surprised
and I'm with you on that. I don't fuck up You
know the number was under Impact wrestling just
had at least five million people see that TNA
belt. Yes Okay, so There's reasons you do things,
and if they are grooming him to be the next guy
that comes to NXT, guess what? You still get
light a day. That's the TNA X Division Champion,
and they said that. The TNA X Division Champion,
so not only does the person just walking about
title, they say his name, they say the company,
and they say what title it is. You get all those
eyes on you. Now these, remember the, oh, fuck
the Impact fans and fuck the WWE fans. No one's
doing that no more. You know why? Because we're
a brotherhood. We are now a unit together. So
it's no longer F them and F them. No, it's, oh
shit, we got one over there. So the guys, unfortunately
like Eddie, obviously Rey Mysterio, Moose, you
know, a lot of those older guys. Listen. It's
okay, and I respect the shit out of them. Moose,
Eddie Edwards, they're gonna go into the TNA
Hall of Fame. Not everybody has to go into WWE
because all the hard work and all those years
that you put in for that effort and time, guess
what? You're gonna get yours. You're gonna have
your great matches and enjoy the bringing you
up because listen, the numbers weren't like that
until TNA. No, didn't like that partnership has
really worked and you had a former TNA guy Joe
Hendry that was on the biggest stage on that
night, you know, and it wasn't a match but he
was there and then you have your TNA X division
champion what an amazing match versus a First
ballot arguably the great and he's gonna go and
you'll be in both hold of faves TNA and Belvedere
Hall of Fame, 100%. One more news, bit of news
before we wrap this up, but TNA has signed a
lot of their time that our contests were expired
about two short -term deals, meaning that shorter
deals are between three to six months. And they'll
be able to work all the locations, you know,
in these and stuff like that, but also work in
TNA for the next couple of months, which I think
that's what we see happening in MLW, you know,
where they sign wrestlers to come in for a couple
of shows to build, you know, build the rivalries
and have some good matches every month. That
they're doing that now. So I Mean, it's gonna
be interesting. They didn't mention anybody's
names of who was signed but it'll be interesting
to see in the next six months who we don't see
anymore on TNA and moves over to WWE or Just
stays in the Andes or goes to AEW so it's gonna
depend do as you can see I'm getting darker because
Outside is just totally just turned dark outside
Like careful update. You're gonna get hammered.
Oh You guys are gonna get hit with that super
cold. Oh, yeah, dude was already cold But it
was I was like couple of minutes ago and now
it's completely dark outside I was sitting here
yesterday. I was talking to my sister same time
same thing happened, right and we're in the East
Coast is What time is it? Okay 452 p .m 452 p
.m, right? We're east coast. He's in new york.
I'm in florida It is dead dark at the same time
452 p .m Is dark on your side too now? No, it's
bright. Look, this is that's not my light. I
got my light off Yeah, mine was off and now there's
only just kind of in five minutes. I went from
light to like That's what i'm saying You barely
see my light to see my hand. That's crazy We
so I want to say shout out to John Cena. Yeah
for the last 20 years 25 years of my life You
entertain me. Yes. I wasn't the biggest fan out
there of yours, but then me as a human being
Outside the ring you are the man Bro, you are
the man and I salute you for all the hard work
that you did for the last 25 years of wrestling
you are Installed in my memory banks for my rest
of my life you on the taker Steve Austin the
rock Shawn Michaels and Of course my favorite
big player and everybody's from the NWA WCW days
You are part of my memory now you see and that
is the perfect way of ending it because Like
I said, I remember watching him me and my son
loved him. You know what I mean? Like a John
Cena When he did the spinner belt remember him
being a big show in new york, right? And it was
when it was it was the no it wasn't a big show
It was uh, jbl. He beat in the in mehattan, right?
Over the show, I think it was big show or jbl
one of them he won the title I think was jbl
jbl and then he turned it into the spinner the
stand I've never seen a belt like that people
try to do things but listen, well, you had you
had the stone cold belt That was like the rattle
thing. The smoking skull. Yes. That was kind
of cool, even though it never hit like the spinner
belt did. Bro, that spinner belt was everywhere.
That spinner belt, I think, touched base for
me in the hip -hop era. John Cena felt hip -hop.
He was a white dude at that. That's the crazy
thing at that. he was a white dude and his album
went diamond bro yes oh it did with his man bumpy
knuckles or something like that i'll tell you
what i want some with uh merch yep yeah hustler
h -u -s -t -l -e -r hustler He had the, I'm a
bad man, right? Like don't sleep on Cena. I'm
not saying his shit is fucking Nas or part of
your DMX caliber. But for a wrestler, his shit
was straight fire. Yeah, he was. You know what
I mean? And that album sold a lot. It definitely
did. Listen, we salute you, we appreciate you.
Arguably the greatest of all time, all jokes
aside, you know, like I said, depending on who
you want, go ahead, slot them in. But the one
thing I can say about Cena and I hope that it
never happens is we never got no bad press We
got no kind of bad nothing and the guy took like
I don't know. He did more fucking wishes a year
than there are days so sick kids More times a
year than there are days and you know, I salute
that man and we salute that man He did more make
-a -wishes than actual wrestling matches Definitely
Over a thousand each and I think they'll make
a wish will go over more than the actual matches
Dude, the guy guys just the epitome of greatness.
We love them. We appreciate everything Listen
2025 is wrapping up. We won't be able to jump
on here because It's Christmas weekend. It's
been nuts. But yes, I'm pretty sure the last
two weeks of the year we're not gonna be able
to do anything cuz It's Christmas and New Year's
so and then we got three kings, but it is what
it is Family kids. Yes. So for us we are wishing
you nothing but the best. Happy healthy All that
shit 2026 we are going to jump up Mlw be doing
a lot of things. So Happy new year. Merry Christmas
all that other good shit. God bless. We out of
here deuces You can't see me but do see