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We had dropped our Monday content for y'all we talked
Everything WWE NXT we talked some MLW Kings of Coliseum
Something had happened where we were like, you know what there's nobody that talks MLW like we talked MLW
So and plus listen, I'm a big ass take an underground guy
I'll have a is my one of my favorites that ever been in MLW. So when we seen the video of
Delorenta and El Hefe sitting in the back. They get the little thumb drive, right? They put it in
They're seeing something. They're scared about her baby got grabbed up real quick
The husband had to take the place of the kid because we're not gonna steal your baby. We're gonna take your man
So I know you had a name and I'll go down why I think it's going to
Not be who you think it is even though everything is saying it might be that guy
What y'all you know
Was did the leader came out little scary there the person speaking English in Spanish?
You can see the hands there, you know, there's a there's some big
Fat, you know hog hands or whatever so the first one I saw the hands and I saw the arm first thing that that came to mind was
Matanza
Which is if you follow Lucha on the ground for the years that they were an all-rate channel
you remember that
Cesar Durand had a different
Alien at that side before he fled LA and moved into
Ah, I'm a W. So, you know, he went to a witness protection program and got his name changed
So, you know, you will mention that the other guys name just in case, you know
We keep that in secret because the paperwork is sealed for that
But at that time he had a key. He had a monster locked up
For a while we didn't know who it was and then we found out it was the brother and then it was his name was Matanza
And this dude was just destroying
anything in sight
Put put in front of him he will destroy back then
Now we fast forward what like I want to say like five years now since Lucha on the ground
It might be more I mean that's before
Okay, so maybe more than five remember that
It ended before COVID before corpus over 2025. Yes, so five years now probably four going on five years
since Lucha on the ground went under unfortunately
and
The voice said that is if somebody
Coming back from revenge for things that he did to him
That right there tells me
Things that he did to him is definitely
Matanza or
Someone who he had maybe had killed
Back then in Lucha on the ground because you know people that got killed they come back from
the dead doing the
Burials and stuff from Lucha on the ground so it could be somebody that died and
Has been resurrected and it's coming back from revenge
I can't think of anybody's name, but I know you killed a few
So, you know
Another was one guy called
Okay, oh Cho or something like that
Maybe not
Then I remember the other guy in Africa his name and I can't believe it because we interviewed him
He was our first ever unit interview that we did but we started the what they got resting podcast
And I forgot his name. I can't believe it
so
He has a hit list, you know people that that he did dirty in Mexico
Venezuela if he went there Chile Peru
Panama, you know, I don't know if he went there, but I'm throwing out different
Latino country Hispanic countries El Salvador
Yeah, Brazil maybe you know so Chile
So, you know made somebody from the Virgin Islands there's a bunch of different Virgin Islands, maybe somebody from Cuba who knows
I'll be upset if it's somebody who you
What you found out, okay, no, I was looking for the list and it just keeps sending me all over the place
Oh, I
Transfer here go here go there
What I'll be upset if it's somebody from MLW
So it can't see this is where all right, this is where I want to go with it because I'll be very upset
Like all right, so
It with with the style of how they did things
It's only two types of individuals that do this one. It's either the mafia
Right because supposedly they don't go after your wife and kids
But you know you got to make a point you do what you got to do to make a point and the cartel, right?
So if I'm gonna take your kid
I don't really care about taking the baby daddy like that to me was like when you put the kid involved with the kid is missing and
All of a sudden it's in a room and that to me screams out
cartel mob shit and there's no one on the MLW roster that feels anything like that
They specifically made it somebody from the past. I like the metals thing. I think he could definitely be in play
I tried to remember the guy we did the interview with I can't we're gonna you know
We should take that on the road on here as a throwback interview
But real shit though like if you sit back and I go all right
It's cannot be and we said this before it can't be
Eric Bischoff that's not his wheelhouse. It's not how he gets down. So I mean, yeah, you see a contract thing
But there's no tough guy in that guy, you know what I'm saying?
Like there's none of that ODX for shit this to me has to be somebody from lucha underground and
It has to be somebody in a play now. Are they finally which we've been saying for years going to go into that?
I would say which underground as take an underground thing and finally put the wheels in motion to actually give us something as take an underground because
Right now the MLW product feels very
Cml Cml L heavy with a sprinkle of some American wrestlers in it, right?
So there's no real identity for MLW at the moment as take an underground to play the fucking perfect thing between
Mexico and America right because as
As I said underground we know has the
The lucha doors and all that everything they've been bringing in for a while lucha underground had a bunch of even Americans in masks you had um, oh
What was it gringo logo wore the mask and everything I think it was
That was with evil ease
That was um
His name on my head hold on
He was an MLW little wow. Yeah, um
The son of something
Yes that guy and he was a little while he didn't say yeah, and then we have the mask and then
They have the great Puma who used to be ricochet
you had a
Swarf that used to be um swerve oh, he was the same name
For the mask I guess work right out of memo yeah, well
I just remember there was a ricochet under also a man
I mean the ricochet was on the mask a our fast was also on their mask because that was when they were doing the
Guys in the army fighting each other and do came back
Yes, crazy crazy crazy few without one was so the other that you said they had a couple of Americans on their masks that were cool
itself
So if Mlw does a smart you keep was it wasn't he called out the son of havoc
So yes, yes the son of havoc now, and I know his real name was Matt something. Yeah, because then he was pressing on the mask
Yeah
But at this point, I'm like I don't want to be a low-end lucha underground guy
I don't know even though who's left right like I don't know contracts and where people are but this has to be somebody from there and
Presentation they can't just give us a little something
They've been doing this backstage shit with Della renta and L. Hephey for a few months now
You literally in the same show have her when she wasn't with the baby yet and then have her without the baby right like so
I like it. I like what they do one
the first the first
Backstage she looked like she was still pregnant
Yeah, and then the second one when they were looking looking at the thought the thumb thing
She had the baby already you could tell she already had the baby
So listen, I'm all gun hope for it
I do think it might be my time but I think it has to be somebody else because isn't it's a he locked up with new Japan like locked in with
New Japan
Well, yeah, um, my tensor
Yeah, yeah, yeah, New Japan
All the guys there was Mac cross there's enough guys
Matt cross. Thank you now. I don't think Matt crosses locked in right with anybody. No, I have I haven't seen that do since
He was doing a lucha arm and I'll double you. I haven't seen I don't even know where he is to be honest with you
I
Name in a while, I mean
Like it can't be the psycho clown guy because he was with with
El Jave when they were doing the as take a thing in Mexico
He was part of that he bought Richard Holliday and like that prison thing
So he represented for him. There's a lot of guys who I'm curious and
At this point, I'm like, you know what the next show has to give us a visual of who this guy is
Right like because all right, we seen a teaser now. We need somebody but then what do you do after that?
Right, this is the big question of
MLW has to hit this out the park because
You've teased it you've teased it it has to work
But then when it works what comes out of it, right?
Because we need El Jave to be around El Jave has been killing it. He you know, I mean look at the crowd reaction to when
Tell me XO won the title. Yes. Yes
Yes, I went nothing. He came out like, you know, this is our champion
He's
That's gonna say the crazy thing was he actually had 2400 fans there that night
Yeah
So I mean what they sold out and then they added 40 or something like that
It's more like a couple more seats just for I guess he were walking up to you know, and I guess that's like the first show
After the von Erich's you know, because they were down in Dallas and you know, you know, that's not every van every country right there
so they did more
Without them then with them at that same location before so
That I they should tell you something right there like right now, you know the domestic and restless the CML the guys, you know
If you were tired of it
Like some of us are because sometimes I do get tired of it
But it looks as good as gonna be here for a long time or for no because it's making is making LMO W money
Mystical stuff is
No, it's wrong. Yeah mystical stuff is number one seller for LMO W right now
So how yeah, I don't know how if they're dividing that money up because you know
He's a Mexican wrestler for a different company those LMO W gets a kind of cut
This is in the States, you know stuff like that. So
But I'll be upset if he's making money and we're not getting something out of it
And he's in our show, you know say so see but this is this is where I'm at with it, right?
Like okay, like you said and I agree with you
Am I tired of it? Yeah, because a lot of times you're not putting the right guys into me
Right like I want to see the triple threat guys like those three dudes went crazy, right?
That was a fucking match
You're gonna give me something give me guys that are in their youth or primes where it's not super old
Folkies and shit, but keep now. I'm telling you right now. Let's just say
They kind of give a new bad guy that he burned a bridge because you're not gonna use a lucha underground thing, right?
You'll do you got six million luchadors that have been coming in for the last two three years
make a stable
Make a stable put one guy who actually knows how to talk
I don't know which one of them make them all bad asses and fucking go at Aztec underground or
Fucking take this guy cuz obviously listen you you did this for a reason, right?
Selena de la renta is a threat and this is this is where we got to go with this because if you if you're new to MLW
You live under a rock. I don't fucking know what to tell you except Selena de la renta everything
She touches fucking turns gold not not being for
Precision or trying to act or goofy but look at her resume everyone
She's been aligned with has one championship gold doesn't matter if it's tag heavyweight middleweight
She had what's her name?
Tonight Kai who was the featherweight when she was with promotion is Dorado
So that's her talent before she went to contra units. So she got gold there, too
Um, El Hefe he's a threat. So you got to make a mark. How do you do that?
I take something from you which now is her baby dad, right?
Like homeboy was told you got to go handle that he put his fucking super cool gold Aztec a mask on and he disappeared
You know what that means his ass is
Right because it's a statement. You're not getting them back. You got your kid back. You don't get this one back
This is how this shit works. I'm not trying to be on some narco shit, but listen and that what trying to
You trying to build some knuckle shit
But bro you telling me that that's not the field oh
Yeah, man, you know when you do something like that you you're you know, you're
Pedaling into that type of life, you know, so now you it's a fiction or it's a real or we know real life
We've seen we've heard lots of stories of stuff like that. That's still you know, Netflix been doing stuff
TV shows and movies
Stuff of stuff like that, you know all the ladies named the last show they did with the lady
On Netflix on Netflix with
Um
That was a big big
Yes, yes, yeah
Yeah, yeah, so that you know, that's real though that
Yeah, so you know now you bring the lines between you know, viari and fantasy
So you do something like this. This is this happens in real life
But you put it in here in in our story line
So if people know people knows gonna happen to the dude, but as fantasy, you know
Once we declare everything else. He'll come back out
He'll be back free. Oh
You know, listen, I mean, it's wrestling right like wait
This is why when I put the post on on overwrestling network on Instagram
I
Literally said yo, we gotta have fun with this right if you're not trying to have fun
You're being all stuffy and whatever like it's corny to me. I'd like doing these because it makes it have fun
We get to have some fun and throw our own crazy ideas into the mix, but hear me out. Yes
This guy's obviously listen, he's fucking hanging out probably doing the videos with them holding the camera like this guy's been at
Mlw before he was her like
At that point he was just kind of like a lackey to to Della rent the right anything she wanted him to do he did
um
And it's cool. It's her legit baby daddy and for storyline purposes not only does she get her mom in but now
The baby daddy comes back he gets to pull you to match right like
Yeah, yeah, this is this is what I'm saying like
And this is where when we say we like doing this for the culture, right?
Like let me take a real step into this
so
In the culture of what we like to say about a lot of people don't put our own culture on that are in a position to do that, right?
So she put her mom on now. I don't know the mom social media. I know you do
I'm sure that some Mlw fans have got really excited
Found the mom liked her stuff because W they have a big following and now so does she gets her social media up the baby daddy
He's he's got to have some kind of social media. They're gonna fuck with him because now he's there
everyone around
We don't even know his pop. You don't even know his name a
Baby daddy number one Jesus number one baby. They know what? No, the only one
baby daddy
I mean not gonna call him big poppy like
Oh
That's already taken by Danny
That Danny's big poppy. Well, yeah, all right. So it's Selena Delara Selena Delara Delara the tubby. How about that?
Yes
Okay, so her hubby gets grabbed up. I don't know if they married but her hubby gets grabbed up
he's
Now we're sitting back saying oh shit shit just got serious now in that line of work. It's an eye for now, right?
You took something of mine. I got to take something of yours
So whoever this person is which I do believe it's Matanza, but I hope it's a CMLL crew
I want to see a cartel faction come in and do what they do
But I mean if it is my time stop which is Jeff pop. I mean
He's gonna have to have some kind of permission to be able to do that in MLW
This he is in you know, when the Japan wrestling saw
You I went on track, you know what I want to say what if it's King worth is?
Do that be awesome. Let's see. He's definitely not with anybody and he versus a lot in Puerto Rico. So
That'd be awesome if it is I didn't even think of him either. I did not even think of Kim worth this
That was the name that I was gonna throw at you in the beginning, but we got you know how we do shit
We get sidetracked
Bro, miss. Oh, you know the old the old messiahs King worth this
Yeah, I did not I did not even think of King worth this
That'll be that'll be the I mean look not thinking of the hands that could that definitely could be him because he's he's both good Spanish
think this is Spanish man and
You know, he can come back with the one girl. I used to be with him and I forgot her name
Kalani Kalani. Yes, but was it right?
But what was the name on him a dog?
Yeah, I don't remember I remember I took her and stuff for that back in very name now
But that'd be awesome because then they could start their own stable
Which I thought we were gonna do that before and then they disappeared for
We haven't seen them since and I want to say that was pre-covid. I don't know that was alright
I think it was a pre-covid or just starting after COVID. I think
Yeah, yes, yes, because it was the first show you had a feeling and I took the whole all the kids with me my nephews with me
So yeah, it was the first show and then we never we saw her for like one more month and now we see we never saw them again
So, you know, I'm getting Karlie Perez. Yeah. Yeah, Karlie, but yeah, I don't remember her name on the show there
Boy, I'm Karlie. I'll be awesome
I love to have a bag. She might have been Leilani. I don't know because that's her middle name. Yeah, but yeah, that'd be awesome
I didn't think of me work as bad. I think I think you hit the nail in the head without me
I'll be so shit if it is though
Because I did not even think about him that was
That was the name I wanted to go with the whole
time because when you said Matanz I was like, nah, that makes sense because of the whole thing but then we had King
Dwarf is for a little while and then he kind of disappeared, right?
Like and I was like, you know, King Dwarf is a big dude like homeboys hands is huge. So I was like my detective shit was going off
and I remember the one time where she went into into
Sesa's office and she got caught and they were looking for a key. Yeah
And she has some kind of key or whatever and then a month later they did something again and then whoop
No one's seen him again since that time. So maybe they came back to get their revenge
That'd be awesome man. I mean it
It'd be perfect timing because
He's aligned with
De La Renta now
So
Now makes it even more personal. I took your daughters
You know how significant now that I didn't I didn't go after you I went after your loved ones
So
Recording
I was doing a scene some other bullshit outside of
Of the of mw
What that made so much sense. I don't even
Want to even think about anything else anymore because you
We got a few seconds
Well, I'll say you know a B also
From out of LW, you know, maybe you know, hopefully we all keep saying, you know work with work with in the end of May
Work with you know, what shit was there's only left but the NWA and LW
I
I was like, oh shit, well, there's only left but the NWA and LW so, you know, you already have a
EW doing their stuff you have
TNA doing the stuff with the only and
The only two left are MW and the way just floating in this little island trying to see if they're gonna stay relevant
So now imagine if they say, you know something
Let's put our resources together and start, you know slowly doing something but
I don't see it because it's two different type of wrestling
Why is more traditional
One field
Now more on the Luchadores than anything else. So yeah
What you never know
So I was gonna say I would give you something that easy three
With a little group that he's trying to do with when they jump time
And that I'm like, yeah
Yeah
But you know
That's that's like far that's like way way out of left field with that one. So but King work this makes so much
A thousand percent
That
That is just it's just
Actually get some praise today. Yeah, it's great. I'm actually surprised
2025 is a good year so far for Chuck his brain is actually working. I shot my shop for 2025
On the 15th of January, you know the do-go's I would want his best ideas
Like I can't even lie about this. I can't even make anything up against it because they just make so much sense
Like this is like this
They could not mess this up
If they go anywhere else with anybody else it'll they'll mess it up
But yeah, like perfectly aligned on the plate like here. This is this is the perfect one right here
So Jeff I give you to the Joe I wish there was a little button to give you a high five and date but I don't think I don't know
What happened to those buns?
They used to be
Listen to the prison
So listen, I'm excited for this. I know you're excited for this. Hopefully next
No, when is it? It's um
Well the tape is the 23rd
The taping is the 23rd and then the next show is the eighth
It's on a Saturday
23rd
The
Definitely do which sucks
Yeah, 23rd we could definitely do the eighth might be a little tough depending on the time
No, 23rd the 23rd falls on a Thursday. I know you work early the next day
So it all depends on what time the show goes
Yeah, if it does nine
I can rough one day if it's at 10 o'clock. I'm not trying to get an hour or two asleep and I'm out
You know what I mean like
Give me at least three hours and I'm okay. Yeah. Yeah, at least the one in February 8th. There's a lot on a Saturday. So that's that's fine
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