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Well, so guys, because finally we're talking MLW.
So I'm gonna say these guys love the show and I'm going to be
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Right.
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It's going to be disgusting.
So gentlemen, it's Monday.
Are we throwing this out today?
Yeah, right?
It's going out today.
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So y'all get it sometime Monday tonight, whatever it is.
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Start of the week.
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Get the bag.
Um, start off with that MSL show, right?
Uh, St.
Laurent sessions with Saint Laurent, Saint Laurent, right?
Like, so for some reason, the Florida fat Joe is now thinking
he's French.
Um, he's French Canadian.
Is he?
He's, uh, well, he puts it like on his social media.
He's a grand, grandson of a former grenade, a former Canadian
Prime Minister.
Well, okay.
Yeah.
So that's legit.
But that guy is cooler than Saint Laurent.
So salute to that guy.
Um, he brings out Stingray from Cobra Kai.
You know, he's doing the deuce bag thing, taking the mic away.
Stingray fucking gives him a quick one, two, bang.
Filty Tom Lawler comes out in his pride outfit, looking glorious.
Pause.
But if you're into that, the guy was doing it.
So comes out, beats up a PWH, sends him into a fucking ambulance.
Gentlemen, this is the start of the show.
This is the kicker to this show that it was so good.
Talk to me.
Well, first of all, I said it was meh.
Overall.
Um, and this was part of the reason why, like I felt this, I know
what the segment was meant to do.
It just honestly, it poured the heck out of me.
Like Saint Laurent, choose scenery a lot of times, like choose
scenery in the worst way a lot of the times.
And Stingray, honestly, like he didn't show much.
Like he wasn't near as entertaining as he was in like the
battle riot backstage stuff.
And then during battle, right?
It's self like he just kind of like came out like almost like he was
local celebrity number nine.
And just did his thing.
Stingray's defense.
He couldn't really say much because he kept doing the.
I'm moving the microwave with his fat jiggling.
You know what I mean?
Like what he took it?
He took the microwave and then it was like Atlanta's got a, you know,
a rich pro wrestling history.
And like they could have hired, you know, they could have hired me to do that.
Except I guess I don't have an Emmy.
So like, but I put it in the chat.
Like I'm like, I had like sleepy emojis in the chat because like this
was doing absolutely nothing for me.
Like the best part of this was Tom Lawler coming out and swinging away
just because it meant the segment was going to end soon.
And Tom Lawler is glorious.
It is.
You can't hate.
No one can hate on Tom Law.
Like guys just fucking fuck.
Right.
Like.
I didn't care much.
I didn't like, I didn't like that part of the show started with that nonsense.
But it just maybe put something in for the future was thing rate might come back
in the future to get revenge on Tom Lawler and send and send for some.
But all in that, I didn't care for it.
You know, it's too, it's too early for that.
I would expect us some matches and then bring it in, you know,
put that shit in there or maybe if you do it in the back.
But yeah.
So we're admitting that this was a done right.
We're starting off with a gun.
Yes.
This part.
So I love the show.
Oh, wait, wait, wait, we're going through it.
We're going through this show that you loved that.
I think it's a done.
I love it.
Bobby Fish versus Adam Priest.
Right.
Yes.
You.
Okay.
To me, I was strong.
I was already starting to fall asleep, right.
It was already becoming nap time because I'm like, yo, I, I like Bobby Fish.
I've been on here.
We've talked Bobby Fish a lot.
This match to me was something I cannot enjoy.
I don't know.
Besides the few physical strong moves he did.
I was like, no, man.
And I like the Adam Priest guy in the battle.
Right.
It's too, but in this shit, for me, this was a flop.
I'm over two on the first two things.
I like the match.
I like both guys.
Adam Priest.
I haven't seen much of him before, but I liked them.
Hopefully he'll come back more in the future.
I'm about to finish fan from Red Dragon.
So I'm cool with him.
He, you know, the match did his thing.
If it built them up for the opera, no, the opera cup, not the opera cup, but the opera
cup coming up.
And we know who he'll be facing later on, but this was just a little teaser of what
he could do coming up for the opera cup coming up later in the future.
So it started, it started good.
So, you know, it was warming me up for the rest of the show.
My primary problem with this match is that they used Adam Priest when they could have
used any sort of local talent because they were so good at it.
They really hyped him up in battle ride as a young up and comer coming out of Alabama.
Like he is the next wave of independent wrestling.
And they tried to hype him up during all three minutes of this match itself too.
Like Adam Priest is this young up and comer that Bobby Fish demolished in three minutes.
Like, yes, that is great for Bobby Fish going into the opera cup.
But what does that do to Adam Priest that you hyped the shit out of, man?
Like you can't hype up someone like this and then do that to them.
Do it.
Like it would have been fine if it was literally like anybody else, like not on the MLW roster.
Like if you're going to squash someone, you know, squash someone without the name value
that you haven't, you didn't take the time to hype up.
Like why would you do that?
This harkens back to like War Horse and Narls Garvin.
Like where they do these, you know, promo videos for them.
And then just immediately squash them out when they show up.
I guess beef got like half a push.
Beef like one, like one match and then also better wrestle King Braille out of the deal.
But like, but like, but both those guys, they wasted time and energy like pushing up just
to like knock them down, which I guess it puts your guys over, but like at the expense
of any, basically the expense of effort.
See, so Rob, what, what, okay.
So you're over one on the first St. Laurent thing.
Would you say this was a hit or miss for your second part?
Honestly just because of who was involved a miss.
Okay.
So over two, over two, one for one.
Okay.
Then we go David Boy Smith with St. Croissant versus Timothy Thatcher.
Now Rob made a good point that if this is your thing, you're going to love it.
Unfortunately, this is not my thing.
Right.
Like I said back and was like, damn, I expected more from both of these guys.
I get it.
If you're like you said, and you're going to the catch wrestling thing, hold on.
Y'all more educated than, than me in this shit.
I thought this would be more of a physical dominant like display of strong style moves
and all that shit.
It did not happen.
I was fucking bored.
So now I'm over three on this and I'm like, okay, go ahead.
This is the platform for y'all to talk.
I'm saying my piece.
So go ahead.
I said prior to coming on the air and before too, and chef had expressed his approval
of this match.
And this is a match that is very much use, you would use a food metaphor too.
Like some, you know, some people don't like Thai food.
Some people don't like Mexican food, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Like you, like no matter what they did in this match, if they were going to do this
style, you're just not, you're either a you're going to love it or you're going to hate it.
There's not going to be a whole lot of in between because this is not your traditional
like proper American styling professional wrestling.
This is akin to, you know, a bit more pure MMA or closer to the British catch styling
without some of the little like flashes of brilliance overall.
That being said, yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed this match.
Like my, like I, I love this match.
I could sit and watch catch wrestling for hours at a time.
You know, give me some little Johnny St. where he's doing his little somersault rollouts
and doing the lady of the lake and I buy happy camper.
Like my only complaint with the match honestly is the fact that, well, kind of with the Adam
Priest thing, they keep bringing Timothy Thatcher in and hyping him up as like this big threat
and he doesn't want to match.
Like yes, at least he, at least he gets a chance to showcase his moves.
So like he can get a little bit, he can, you know, build himself up a little bit because
he didn't get squashed.
But like it, like it makes me sad.
My C time, you know, Timothy Thatcher is coming back at this event and I'm like, yeah, Timothy
Thatcher is coming back.
Oh, who's he going to lose to?
Exactly.
Like I'm going to be happy with how the match like with the match itself.
But like again, like wins and losses do ultimately matter compared to what the road dog thinks
to a certain extent.
Yes, it's good to be entertained, but you still have to put over your talent in a certain
way, shape or form as well.
So that's my brief aside on that.
Other than that, like I was perfect with fine with the match.
Like the match may be a happy camper, just being able to see, you know, wrestling stake
in action, real grabs.
If I were an AEW,
I love this match because I love both wrestlers and I knew what was going to happen in this
match.
And, you know, we get used to seeing the same stuff, you know, you did do a lot of high
flying stuff.
A lot of running, a lot of power moves, but you know, there's times that you need to slow
it down and do stuff like this, not through the whole show, but one match or two match
per show.
I love it.
And this I enjoyed this much this fight.
It was long enough.
It wasn't short.
They gave it enough time.
And we knew, I mean, what was this match part of the upper cup?
Yeah.
So we knew that David Boy Smith wasn't going to lose this.
So, you know, that was your a new for the for the opera cup.
You knew that wasn't going to happen.
But I enjoyed the match, man.
One one one match per show or two like this matches per show.
I'm good with it.
Okay.
So I think Rob, Rob hit it on the head when he said this is easy.
You think or it's not.
There's kind of no.
I mean, I'm into everything.
You know, I love I love high flying.
I love our car accidents in the ring.
I love power when this beef guy is doing stuff.
Hold on.
There's times, you know, you did so much.
Hold on.
You could do it.
You match.
You're telling full tales because you don't like everything because the old hardcore
stuff ain't your thing.
Oh, yeah.
You even said you you you checked out of the main event one.
Yeah.
Horror course stuff.
Yeah.
That's too much after a while.
It kind of gets boring.
But you know, there's so much high flying.
You could do so much power moves you could do.
So sometimes you got to slow it down and give us some like, you know, that cash style that
you know, like grappler style, you know, give me some moves, put somewhere in the press
so you get out of it show something you got.
Oh, that was impressive.
You know, type your shit.
There were times that I thought that you might pull it off.
You know, there was some bits and pieces.
Oh, shit.
He actually been there.
Pull it up.
Not really.
No, he's been wrestling for a partner 20, a partner 20 years at this point.
Oh, everybody's being arrested for 20 years.
Yeah.
And some of them are hitting their late 20s.
Imagine that.
So now this is one of two matches I actually enjoy.
So bad do Tito with the beautiful Selena de la Renta versus J. Crest right now.
And I said this because I'm not a big J Chris guy, but not because he's an MLW because I've
seen him live mad times.
He's a good wrestler, right?
But his work in MLW win or lose has been nothing short of amazing, right?
Like he's winning me over something crazy.
I'm becoming this big J Chris guy.
Every time he's in the ring, I absolutely enjoy it.
So I was kind of like, damn, I love big do Tito, bad do Tito pause.
But again, J Chris, I got to go bad do Tito.
These guys went at it, right?
Like they had a great match.
I loved it.
It felt super clean.
They were strong.
Everything bad do Tito comes out on top.
I tweeted this one and I mean it bad do Tito, even though that this was not a technically
clean win because there were some shenanigans that happened.
But from the prior national overweight champion and how badly that belt was booked, bad do
Tito is putting a breath of fresh air on that title.
You know what I mean?
And he's on our way.
He's in CMLL.
Like he's everywhere right now.
So salute to him for doing this thing.
I think he's been a really good champion so far.
Really enjoying his reign.
Gentlemen, bad do Tito.
J Chris talks to me.
Yeah.
Good match.
He's been a champion for the title.
So we knew bad do Tito was going to take the victory here.
I was kind of expected it to be a clean fight there.
But like you said towards the end, you know, some things happened there and he got the
win.
But other than that, you know, you had J Chris speed and flying abilities going up against
the power moves of bad do Tito.
So right there, you have one type of wrestler against another type of wrestler.
At the beginning, it was all J Chris and then towards the end or the middle, then bad do
Tito took over.
But this was like two opposites that drove perfectly into the match.
I'm glad you said that.
And this, this, I love this match too.
Because like you said, it was bad do Tito and of course the lovely Mr. Agenza out there
doing her thing, walking around, you know, but I love this match.
So like I said, the right person won by do Tito.
And like you mentioned, in one match on one title defense, he's done did more for that
belt than the last champion had done with that bill for almost seven months that he
had.
And so hopefully at the next show, pay-per-view, the show, you know, either for the actual
show or the tapings, the bill will be, you know, back, you know, be, you know, be defended
on the show.
But what my bad rock, what, what I liked about, even though it was a quick little thing that
cost ultimately caused J Chris the match was a notorious BRG coming out, which is keeping
that feud alive.
And J Chris being a veteran in this industry.
And I don't know how long, you know, Brett Ryan Goslin has been in this industry.
I don't know.
I know he's young.
And I think that having a rivalry with a veteran like that will only keep progressing his career
in the right direction.
And I like that MLW is keeping this going until we get some kind of, you know, ending
to this beef.
Do you have a match for the next show by any chance?
Yeah, or no, I haven't seen it.
But everything that we don't do from before and battle riot to now, these guys have got
this little internal beef going on and it's subtle.
It's not like they're throwing it down your throat, but I want more of this, right?
And I'd like the chemistry between the two guys.
And I'm hoping that they have a match one on one match coming up at the next show.
Yeah, my fourth round.
No, it's going good.
Yeah, I don't know how much more I can add because I pretty much feel the same way you
guys do.
You know, this is a classic power versus speed match.
And Jake Christ, if you know, if nothing else, which this is a lie, you can do lots of other
things, but if nothing else, the dude can take a beating and it can be tossed around
like a rag doll.
So like this really, you know, really added it was able to add to the story of the match
with Tito's superior strength where he just toss Jake around like, I mean, he did a belly
to belly soup play over the top rope to the floor.
Like, oh, he's out of the battle riot, even though it was last month.
But no, I really like the match.
I mean, I'm not going to poo poo friend of the show, Jake Christ, terribly much.
I will just continue to make fun regardless of how much the good Tito's doing.
I'll make fun of them and keep throwing out winning percentages.
I think he's up Mr. 700 right now.
But no, no, I'm hoping he they're turning this title back into a workhorse title because
if that's the case, I think Tito is the right man for it.
Okay, so I finally enjoyed something.
Right.
Hey, fine.
Then we're, we're, I'm on my head is going like this at this point.
And I'm like, now I sit off right now.
I'm like, okay, dope, I'm back in right up.
I got my wake up juice going.
And the next thing that happens is fucking McGriddle and Sammy Callahan, right?
So McGriddle sitting there talking his shit, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro.
That's your, that's your, your interview, bro, bro, bro.
Sammy Callahan, who I'm mad as fuck with comes out, talks shit, attacks him.
They get split up.
They're talking greasy.
Um, why?
Like, I just, one guy wants a shot at the main title.
Sammy Callahan has done absolutely jack shit and his entire run from being in an MLW again,
even to joining, um, the falling.
What the fuck has he done to put him in this position?
Well, he hates McGriddle, but that's for certain.
So I know now they haven't matched Nick's at the next show, like, like a no rope or a
no, yeah, no ropes match or whatever for McBiddles number one, condemn the ship.
So my thing is, it's a huge, but Matt Riddle has one.
Now we're not fans of this guy, right?
We're three guys on a podcast and we're over three on Matt Riddle.
We're not saying he sucks or whatever.
We don't even got to go into it.
We're not fans, but he has been winning since he's been in MLW.
Yes.
Sammy Callahan has been losing since he's been in MLW.
So why would this even matter?
Well this is just trademark, like wrestling in general.
How many guys, how many guys have just walked into, we're talking MLW.
How many guys have just walked into MLW and just got a title shot practically right off
the bat?
Dick Drist.
I love Dick Drist, but yeah, I said, like, what has he done to deserve this?
Bad Dutito has a losing record.
Challenges for the World Heavyweight Championship.
No, he was 500.
Oh, he was 500 when he challenged for it.
Yeah, he corrected me on that one.
We hit a soft spot on each other.
I jabbed him and then he told me to go cry about it.
Yeah, so, but like, yeah, he lost a World Heavyweight title match and then like two
weeks later gets a shot at the National Openweight Championship.
So like this is just like for MLW for wrestling in general.
If you just show up and scream loud enough that you're going for a title, somehow you
will magically get a title shot.
So I should have yelled louder.
I should have yelled louder in Chicago and maybe Cheetah would have beat my ass or something.
Next time, when you go back in November, they will.
That is fair enough.
Rob makes a good point.
So then we get Mr. Marquez with El Jaffe and some of El Jaffe's goons.
Now why Mr. Marquez muffins Martinez guy wants to sit there and try to laugh when he tries
to stunt like El Jaffe ain't father of the year material.
Mother.
Right.
Like this was extremely disrespectful on Mr. Marquez to try to take a jab at El Jaffe.
Now I thought El Jaffe should have slapped the ish out of him.
Like just gave him a quick like pow.
Like go on, I take that.
Just give him one quick one.
And because to me, a boss like El Jaffe wouldn't allow somebody to talk to him like that.
So I think he should have overhand slapped the ish out of Dave Marquez.
Now I'm going to have Rob go second on this because this is your guy.
Mr. Marquez is very disrespectful to the boss.
I thought that was Bob.
Well, but I thought it was interesting though that like he magically like grew a proper backbone
for this segment.
So even like he's been pretty neutral up until this point.
Like he's been a good backstage interviewer.
He's been pretty neutral.
And then now all of a sudden he's coming up with a hard hitting questions of like, why
weren't you there for ever?
But yeah, like I don't know.
I felt like I also felt like, you know, whereas this segment was done.
All right.
I felt overall like it just like it was a nothing burger.
Like at best it just showed that El Jaffe didn't give two poops about Selena de la
Renta's father's day present.
Because as a matter of fact, it's a week late.
Yeah, just like everything else she does.
She just can't do it quite right.
But yeah, it's like, yeah, I do think it was interesting though the tone Marvez took on
that one.
But like, yeah, I guess there's a lot of more in this case, like I ignored it.
It got buried in the everything else that was going around in the moment of like the
chaos of the segment prior.
And then our big, then our big couple of surprises that we would have sprinkled out through the
show.
I kind of like forgot about that.
He took a tone to El Jaffe.
So I imagine we just won't see him again.
He's bottom is the bottom of the bay with cement shoes.
I think it's my biasness for a happy that I just enjoyed whenever he's on TV that I
really enjoy.
And to me, um, he kind of feels like a Manuel Norriega to me.
I don't know why El Jaffe, because you don't really see that, but his body language is mannerisms.
The way he moves comes off very, uh, uh, cartel like, right?
Like he really has this vibe to him.
So I like the aggressiveness.
And to me, the reason why, and I'm just throwing the hypothetical why I think he hasn't been
around because what we've seen El Jaffe's prior work, he was really banging out.
He was doing some questionable things that he didn't want to wrap around his family.
He did the right thing.
El Jaffe's father of the year to me.
Yeah, no, I can't disagree with that.
With that at all.
Like, I mean, he's been pretty much been made out to be like in various forms, basically
to be a mobster of various sports.
And so like a good mobster kind of separates that, you know, separates that stuff because
that way his family doesn't get whacked because there's always one load nut job who thinks
they'll move up in the world by taking out the family, even though that's a terrible
idea.
Um, but yeah, so like, you know, it's keeping his family safe.
And you know, if nothing else that also helps out, should he choose to retire, he can even
retire quasi in plain sight.
Like I can't remember the mobster.
There's a mobster that retired to Florida, uh, and basically just acted like a homeless
guy like hidden plain sight.
Like he was still wanted by the FBI and he would just wander around town in his bathrobe
and mutter to himself all day long.
He just, he could do that because he kept himself just low on a profile and kept everyone
else away from his dirty dealings.
See, I love where this podcast is going.
Muffins, don't, don't derail it.
Don't derail it.
Well, man, just go back to, what's the next match?
Who cares?
Whoa.
What's the next match?
Okay.
Akira versus Ikura Kwan, right?
So I was super excited for this until I found out that this was an overcut match and I'm
like, shit, Akira is being pushed to the wall.
He's going to win.
Right?
Like this is as soon as I saw that I was like, damn, but to me, Akira has had a few handful
of matches that had pushed him to another level.
And I feel like we've seen another level to Akira out of what he got from Akira Kwan.
Like those guys went ham and I'm telling you right now that you better start taking Akira
Kwan real serious because that muscle mass he has is incredible.
Right?
Like he's no longer a thin little soldier.
This guy is a problem.
So Akira Kwan, he dominates the match, ultimately loses.
Great finish.
I love this match.
I'm like, okay, I could fuck with this outside of fucking a contra unit member losing, which
you know, shocked, but fucking great match.
Both guys killed it.
I want to see more of this.
Like when we were doing the live and both of them, what was in the ring and they're kind
of like looking face to face.
I said, yo, I need this one on one.
I got the one on one.
And it, this was a fucking great match.
So I loved it.
Akira winning kind of put me on a, eh, I guess, even though the kid is talented.
That's keeping 100, but a cool report should have won.
I'm just being honest.
No, this is another upper recup, right?
Yup.
The cup match.
Yeah.
So yeah, like you said, Akira has been on a target for the last couple of months now.
So they're going to hear, they shot, you know, they finally got away from the calling.
They finally beat and just ended the calling.
So he's been, they're trying to move away from the hardcore shit to more regular matches,
which we know he can wrestle, which is not where we just don't see it a lot.
But this was a perfect match of showing Akira can wrestle in the core of crime.
We know what he could do.
So and unfortunately we knew being an opera, an opera cup match.
It was going to be the losing guy.
Yeah.
But like you mentioned before, you know, contract units not there to win individual thing.
They're there to for a bigger goal.
So so.
So a court loss, but you know, he did his thing.
He beat the shadow out of Akira.
And who's the who's he's supporting coming up Akira's opponent.
I don't know.
He is the next one, but not for the opera cup.
Yeah.
Oh, not for the opera cup.
No, I think this is just a regular match.
Okay.
So hopefully he's soft to soft them up for that match coming up.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah.
Huh?
So hopefully, you know, grandpa murdered there will, you know, put them on with the shadow
him.
Because not and this is taking nothing away from Akira.
Akira is not big enough stature wise to run through contract unit, right?
Like he's he's not that billed where you go, ah, this is believable.
You know what I'm saying?
Like if he had another person with them that was defending them, I could see that.
But you take out Kwan.
Cool.
You beat him.
I don't think at any point that he should beat Suzuki.
Like that's that's crazy.
Well, we'll find out when it happens next month.
Well, yeah, well, let's not just overtake Rob.
Rob hasn't got the talk this yet.
Rob talk, man.
Damn.
I'm actually worse.
Speak now.
I'm actually surprised.
Like I was actually surprised that Akira won to be honest because they once they at one
they announced that he was facing Suzuki next month, I kind of went like, oh, well, maybe
Kwan's going to pick up the victory here, like either through shenanigans or they're
actually going to try to like push a contra presence within the Oprah cup itself.
Like either you know, either or would make a narrative sense.
But I just think I but this is just me figuring like, oh, well, if Akira doesn't have an
aquacup match next month, he's probably like and he's getting this high profile of a match.
He probably, you know, he's probably taking the L there, which again with with Contra,
like there's really no shame in taking the L there because if nothing else, they got
a numbers game that come in or he can or he can, you know, you know, just get gang beating
in the process for it.
But the match itself, yeah, no, it was great.
Like they were both guys really showed out.
I'm glad that they gave Kwan an opportunity because he's always been kind of the contra
unit scrub.
Like he's kind of the guy that they went like, oh, we finally need Contra to lose a match,
like lose a match conclusively, send Kwan out like, except for the times where they'll
send out send I number 82 or whatever.
But if they needed a name person to go out, take a loss for Contra, they sent out Kwan
to do it.
But yeah, this is great for him.
Does I see him actually kind of like get the showcase, especially again, like that he's
bulked up quite a bit too, so he's looking legit, not that looks or everything, but like
it's hard to take a guy looks like that, or how it's hard not to take a guy that looks
like that.
Seriously.
And he's a he's a thousand miles of running like Kwan speed is crazy.
You know, he's he's flying around that ring kicking the shit out of people.
Love the guy.
It is what it is.
What we got next?
I got to look to the camera defeated.
Mystico versus star Junior.
Oh, shit.
Yes.
This match was fine.
Right.
Like this was my favorite match of the night.
I've been liking star Junior for a little while now.
I was like, wow, this guy is really fucking cool.
Um, mystical.
We know we get from him.
The guy's a legend for a reason, right?
Like it's not like we're going to sit here and go, oh, just missed going.
I had a great match.
You always had a great match.
It does, but star Junior took it to me and I like saying this because and I mean what
I say, we've seen an evolution of star Junior.
So we've seen ship before, but this was for the title and both guys went all out.
They shook hands at the end.
This was a dope fucking match.
So I loved it.
Star Junior to me is he's got to be one of the rising stars coming through MLW like,
especially with this partnership with CMLL.
I think at some point, even if miss ago has to drop the belt, I think it'll be cool for
star Junior to win it, go between CMLL and all that cool shit.
But, um, I mean gentlemen, this, this will the fuck fire as match.
Yeah.
No, this is everything you would expect from a legit lead gray match.
Though I was actually surprised that they really played up the respect element out of
it, considering that, uh, both individuals were on opposite sides of the, uh, lucha war
per se and they both, they like played by Renup Rauner rules where they started the
match with respect and ended the match with respect.
But I also liked that they told it like within the ring with that they told the story of
like, we respect each other, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to do whatever it takes
to take them down.
Like, yeah, they didn't do a whole lot of like full on cheating or whatever, but like
star Junior went for the mask.
Like a mistico.
He was still like, he may have not like snuck in some chokes or a chair shot, but like he
still played a little bit underhanded just because that's how much the title meant to
him and how much this win would mean to him.
Unfortunately, mistico is still one of the best in the world at this moment.
And it's just not star juniors time yet.
Uh, but you know, mistico could do amazing things in the ring and star junior kept up
with it, which is amazing in and of itself.
Yeah.
I love this match, you know, give me some neutrality with it.
Let them high fly and I'm good to go.
All I think that that gets me upset is like we keep getting mistico defender title here
in the shop with other CMLL stars.
Why can't we wrestle someone from MLW to defend the belt here?
Oh, yeah.
That's right.
From MLW to go over there and you know, challenge for the title over there.
And it's like, it just drives me crazy.
Like, it's a once against like this one way partnership or whatever.
Oh, we won.
Mistico.
Yes.
Bring them out.
Oh, we're going to defend against you also.
Why did somebody, okay, that's fine.
Well, shit.
What about us?
We're like, when he's going to defend against one of us here, even if he is the guy from
MLW loses, that's fine.
You know, but this is what been our beef with, uh, MLW things for a while, right?
And with WF partnerships with like pro wrestling Noah and we don't see none of our guys going
there.
They got this wrestling partnership with CMLL and you haven't gotten any of our guys over
there.
So it's like, you know, being defending MLW soil shows, but it's always against a Mexican
guy.
Yeah.
Well, the time we seen it was a bit rocky Romero where he beat Rocky Romero for the belt.
And I said, well, and you haven't seen Rocky since, you know, since the hat.
They took your boy out.
Yeah.
So he's been gone and we still haven't had an MLW guy challenge for that for the belt.
So I didn't even know that.
I never even processed that hopefully that will change in the future.
I mean, I'm fine with it, but it's just kind of getting boring when it's always the same
Mexican guys wrestling for the bill in the MLW show, but no one goes from MLW over there
except for my two Japanese guys.
Coach, you know, because they're the tag team champions, you know, and then just, they just
have fantastic mania where they had in Japan where they had the MLW titles, talking about
being defended in Japan for the first time ever.
So that was kind of cool.
But it wasn't a fantastic mania show where it's Japan against CMLL for a week.
And this time was in Mexico.
This time was in Japan because they always change locations every year.
So this time it wasn't Japan, but other than that, it's always the same people.
But yeah, but this match, it did everything that it was supposed to do.
I enjoyed this match.
This should have been the main event.
Yeah.
Or I used the co-main event.
But, you know, it is what it is.
It did its thing for a while there.
I thought Star Junior might have taken this match because there were some times that's
oh shit, he got him good with that one and then hold up, maybe, maybe in, you know, but
yeah.
And to go back to your point of the title, like the title situation, we'll say the division.
Right now, like, say what they want, but a lot of the divisions themselves within MLW
isn't really terribly strong at the moment.
Like there's not a whole lot of guys that I'd go like, that's a middleweight guy.
There's guys who would fit in the middle, like fit in the middleweights, but you don't,
they're never like talking about them in the middleweight context.
Like looking at BRG, looking at Jay Christ, for example, like those are kind of like two
guys that right now, like, yeah, that those just by looks of them, those are should be
middleweight guys or like, and I guess, I guess I'm not sure how much it could Rokon
is weighing in at right now, but he, I would say he was still qualified as a middleweight
guy.
And if somebody else just stylistically, they could probably just do a quick workaround
about it and K fame, everything like, you know, like everything else and wrestling,
but like, but there's really not much of a middleweight division right now.
So it's basically a lucha division.
They ran the same problem with the featherweights for quite some time.
It's still lesser said still still there is that they've spent like, there's really
not much of a division outside of Jenai Kai, Delmi XO and Zeta.
And Zeta's out on tour right now, so she's going to be missing things.
And so, but like, even when she wasn't on tour, like basically she was just, you know,
annoying little fly.
But like they did that, they brought in the Joshi's to buy a battle, Jenai Kai.
Meanwhile, MLW, well, all two other MLW women were just kind of like sitting in the background
doing more like storyline related stuff rather than.
Yeah, especially the hyper girl in the bicycle.
Oh my God, that was horrible.
So like, I mean, there's, yeah, I, I, I, I, I, from a sal.
But yeah, so there really isn't like much of a division for the middleweights at the
moment, unless you like, unless they're going to like, I don't know, unless Adam Priest is
going to stay around like a, he would qualify as a middleweight.
But like, I guess the question is like, even if they, like, even if we wanted to have MLW
middleweight matches, who's he going to wrestle?
I mean, yeah, I gave a list of like three, but like three doesn't always make a division.
No, it's a weird, it's a weird spot right now.
Right.
Like it's, I'm W's in a weird spot.
Um, I don't know.
Like, I don't have an easy answer for it.
No tag team division, either.
Yeah.
It's like, there's no tag team.
There's not one tag team in MLW right now, because if you go, oh, Mr. Thomas and Alex
Kane, that's a random.
That's just when they throw them together, just cuds out of nowhere.
Yeah.
If I would come up with a tag team division right now, most of them are offshoots of stables.
So it would be like, it would be Bo Mayay Fight Club.
It would be, you know, Contra where they just pair like Suzuki and.
What was the kids tag team again?
That was like three or four guys.
Oh, wasted youth.
Yeah.
The number one true number one contenders for the, for the, for the tag titles.
Yeah, that are books since they left the East Coast.
Yeah.
So like, I mean, yeah.
So like at least two tag teams would just be stable mates put together or three.
Well, WTF too.
And like, so like three tag teams wouldn't even be official tag teams.
They would just be the tag team of the stable at best.
Yeah.
Um, and wow, it works.
Just text, a text to you to make sure I'm not flooded out, even though I'm at the top
of the hill and, but I'm close enough to the Mississippi, which may be flooding in the
near future.
Um, okay.
So, so, uh, by the way, anyone actually cares.
I'm fine.
Like, but my work doesn't discriminate against that.
They just hear flood warning and send out generic is everyone okay messages.
Um, but yeah, so I got distracted.
Yeah.
So like, like most of the tag teams that would be in the tag division are even like
proper tag teams to the holder just clock together because they are affiliated with
the stable and that just leaves cozy max, which I always kind of felt was slapped together
anyway.
And the second year group.
Yeah.
So that's six.
You got me, you Yamashita versus Jazzy gang versus muffins girl, Danny George.
Right.
I think I said all of them right.
So if I guess once, once in a blue, I dog, you know, can you use it?
There's a Japanese name right for a change.
Listen, everybody gets lucky once in a blue, right?
So I didn't know a lot about Jazzy Yang or the Yamashita girl.
Now I knew a little bit about Danny Jordan from independent stuff and things like that.
I didn't know a lot of love, but I didn't know who she was.
Um, the Yamashita girl is fucking fire.
Right.
Like, yeah.
She's, she's legit, right?
I really like her Jazzy Yang.
I thought it was cool that they showed a Jimmy Yang sitting there, the crowd going crazy.
He had his yellow Kung Fu gear on kind of thing.
Look at snazzy salutes a freaking pops.
He's there.
Jazzy Yang.
Unfortunately, a lot of times she was getting high has thrown out this right.
Right.
See, like both girls are like, nope, you get out.
We're going to bang out.
Um, Danny Jordan looked really good.
And I know my, because you said she's been out for a little while.
So yeah, welcome back to wrestling.
I hope we see her more in MW because I was really impressed.
I would like to see her versus a dummy exo coming up.
I think that would be a banger match and you know, eventually go against fucking.
Yeah.
Danny Jordan.
You know, and I think she'd be wrestling for, I want to say I've been seeing her for
like five, six years now.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
And just like anybody else, you know, the frustration kind of mounts where you're in different companies
and like, uh, the championship wrestling from everywhere, AEW a couple of times and you
kind of getting at that door for the door never opens type of deal.
Yeah.
You kind of get frustrated with life and other shit outside of wrestling.
So I think she took a big break because she was going for it.
I want to see if almost a year, maybe more.
Wow.
Before she decided to come back.
So I'm glad she's back.
And then Jesse Yang is like one third of the fabulous free babes with Miranda Gordy, which
you know, Terry Gordy's daughter and one more girl came with other girls name.
Well, I didn't know she just turned 21.
I thought she was a little older than that.
So she just turned 21.
Yeah.
But you know, we saw Jesse Yang, you know, she was a little green.
I think it's like the first time she's been on a big stage wrestling stage, but she looked
good.
She looked nervous.
Yeah.
No, she did not.
With the blood of her father has, you know, she shouldn't.
But she looked good.
She looked good.
And you know, Jenny Jordan showed that she could go.
And like you said, you know, hopefully in the future, we can have a Jenny Jordan versus
the Domi XO match or even the girl who's out in Japan right now.
I forgot her.
No, it is still.
Yeah, I say that still.
You know, hopefully she'll come back in a couple of months from up there from Mary Gold.
So like you guys mentioned, you know, there's further weight division is very thin.
Like we even saw the announcement made by the agent on social media about you know,
any Florida wrestlers who want to be, you know, who wants to wrestle coming up and I don't
have any contracts with anybody else.
So which means they're very thin in the further religion.
And we also means we could get an influx of new females, new faces out there in Florida,
which and I'm pretty sure you from there, that's a hotbed of a lot of female wrestlers
out there who are ready.
So the thing is, too.
We had Sophia versus Zeta.
She was like one of the ones, the match went on too long though.
Oh yeah, it's Zeta.
Yeah, that match was terrible.
Yeah, she's talented.
You got Lexi Gomez, she's fucking talented.
Right.
Lexi Gomez can go with anyone.
I don't care what anyone says.
That girl is fucking talented.
But for some reason, a lot of people will pick like the Amber Nova over them.
And both of those girls are way more talented than Nova.
So I don't get it.
But I mean, just those two alone.
I mean, yeah, you could bring whatever.
Okay.
Oh, I mean, I say Florida independence is not my strong suit.
So like I can't, I all of all of my recommendations.
I don't know.
All of all of my recommendations would be northeast or Midwestern.
But I mean, if they're, if they're willing to fly people, I could probably come up with
a little listening.
What about the Jazzy Yang and the girls?
Oh, sorry.
And we got so often.
I'm sorry.
We got so off topic here of like talking, talking, like bringing stuff in in the featherweight
division.
You know, I'm sorry to cut you off, RK.
I just thought of something.
I'm surprised you haven't started like your own little federation of their ACF.
You gotta have money for that.
All corn federation.
You said corn, he spelled what a K.
No, but I'll say he's all he's all he's gonna leave the company.
All corn federation.
I am poor wrestling.
ACW all corn fed wrestling, you know, you can make his own stuff out there.
If wherever he's I'm in.
So whatever.
I am only qualified to book right now.
I've not taken any promoting shows and Merrick Brave will not let me behind the curtain because
I'm a crazy idiot.
And also I can't start my own promote.
I only have sponsorship money.
I don't have promoter money because I'm not backed in any way.
She formed by MLW and I don't know if people have joined my Patreon to make the podcast
a bit better.
Hopefully soon then.
Yeah.
Play the lottery.
But no, I was pleasantly surprised with this match because like I'm not I'm not going to
lie.
The cynic in me basically just said like, oh, they got Jimmy Yang.
They're going to bring his daughter in.
And where's that Shaq meme of like, I apologize.
I wasn't aware of your game.
Oh, yeah, that that that is how I feel.
It's definitely how I feel about about about Jazzy right now.
Like don't get wrong.
Like, yeah, yes, she's green, but she's also super young.
But like they actually maximized her like, well, maybe not maximize, but like they did
a good job of hiding a lot of the greenness in the match because she did spend a lot of
time being kind of like the transitional woman in a match.
So like when they when it was ready for Yamashita to come to come in, she got to you know, Jazzy
got kicked out when it was time for Danny to come back in.
Yeah, Jazzy got kicked out, but she but she got some good spots in there as well and showed
off some of the things that she could do.
And Danny Jordan, I was familiar with the name, but not familiar with her work.
But at least she had some name value.
So I could like, okay, that that'll be good enough.
And then like, I will, you know, I'm going to be hard pressed to say something bad about
Yamashita because like one, she's one of the best wrestlers in the world, just a general.
And two, like, you know, anyone who responds to me positively, like I'm a sucker for positive
attention.
And she was super excited to see me once.
So you know, I'm not going to say anything bad about her, even though it was more of
the long line that I was wearing, you know, a chef designed MLW logo.
She just got excited because she had literally night before wrestled for MLW.
And she, ah, MLW!
Yes, yes, saw your match.
And I'm pretty sure she didn't understand a word I said after, you know, after she was
done, you know, screaming at me.
But no, joking everything aside, like, you know, it was a good match.
And it pleasantly surprised me just because I wasn't familiar with the game of two thirds
of the people in the match.
But listen, I enjoyed it.
It was good.
Main event.
So we get Madness Kruga versus one called Manders.
I mean, this was a typical bull rope match, right?
Like, it wasn't like something out.
Like, like, like I told Rob Kay, I tuned out at that time.
Did you watch it?
I did not.
I tuned out.
You could you didn't even finish it?
I did not.
Like, I'm not, I'm so tired of this.
The whole Matthew Justice and a man one, whatever, Manders going up against this guy already.
I'm tired of it.
It's like, maybe every day, different match with them.
You see that one or the other one against Kruga.
So wait, wait, wait.
Matthew Justice next month.
The Kruga Justice match, the first one was five.
Yeah, to a bit.
Oh, that was crazy.
And then that was Manders.
And then next month was going to get Justice again.
Well, they got to finish.
They got to finish.
Enough.
Well, hold on.
All right.
So Rob, you'll come in right after this because he didn't watch the match.
It was he had to talk about.
Yeah, I fully shitted on it.
But did you see them stomp him out at least?
Like any kind of clip of them stomping out afterwards when John Ikei came in?
This to me took it back to the streets because these dudes were like serial stomping the shit
out of Manders.
Right.
I was like, wow, this is not like the typical wrestling where they're like, huh, no, these
guys were like super quick stomping out one fourth of Manders.
I thought that was hilarious.
Janiakai interferes, kicks his fucking head off.
Once again, Janiakai is second.
Second time now.
Janiakai kicked Manders' head off.
Well, first, I know she did it to Matthew Justice backstage.
That's how she, that was her proper introduction as a Contra member.
No, that was Matthew Justice's match.
That was Justice?
Yeah.
Well, she showed up during the breakdown for Battle Riot and came out and kicked Manders'
head off.
I think, yeah.
So she went, when we first seen her Contra unit, she comes out the screen, knocks out
Matthew Justice.
BAM.
Yeah.
That was that.
So that's right.
That technically happened first, but I didn't see, I couldn't see any pre-takes.
Yeah.
Because I was in the crowd for that one.
So that's all my memory was.
So the member doesn't get it.
She gets one called Manders, then gets them again.
So she's putting in work.
They stalk them out.
They bull rope them, like choke them out to the back.
And I'm like, is this the end of like SGC?
Right?
Like are they writing them off?
Because if they annihilate one called Manders there and then he takes out Matthew Justice,
which would suck because I like Matthew Justice.
SGC might be gone.
Right?
Like this was my take on it.
It was like, wow, they're writing them off and they're going to just annihilate them.
I don't know.
So the couple Manders loses, gets stomped out, dragged out like fucking cattle.
Yeah.
I at least like the fact that Justice, like, I mean, it was too late.
So he's taken a page out of Manders' book right there, showed up too late to help your
friends.
But I like that Justice was like actually bothered to come out and was like, and they
did like the backstage with his like, like Manders, Manders, and then he just got sucker
punched and taken out too.
So he didn't get to do much of anything.
But I like the, at least they bothered to do something with that because like so many
times like stables just stomp out baby faces and then one comes to help him and it looks
stupid.
Yeah.
And I will point out that Manders is usually a terrible, it's usually the other way around
that Justice is the one getting the shit kicked out of him.
And then Manders is way too late to come save the day.
But I thought the match was serviceable.
It definitely wasn't as chaotic as the Matthew Justice match, but that's really not Manders'
thing quite as much like, yeah, he gets crazy.
He'll get extreme too, but he's not Matthew Justice of like, gusset plates and balcony
dives.
Like so they're like, they're both crazy, but they're both crazy in two different, entirely
different ways.
And Kruger just doesn't care.
He'll do whatever.
I think Manders is a, it doesn't match up with, with Matt Kruger.
I think that it just didn't sit right.
Like I don't, maybe the styles don't work or something because it wasn't that good of
a match.
Yeah.
I mean, it was serviceable.
Like it was all right.
I mean, they had the rope so you could do all sorts of like stupid stuff and, you know,
take turns choking each other and more cowbell puns or whatever.
We got color out of the match.
So like that, that was the thing.
Yeah.
Well, I think also like, yeah, I think there may have been some stylistic differences,
which I think is interesting since both guys are really physical, but they're both physical
in different ways.
Like Kruger is very much again, kind of plays the giant role because well, let's face it,
he's kind of a giant.
So he just kind of, so he just kind of comes in and does like big, like slimy things.
Whereas, whereas Manders is a bit more of like a New Japan, like, or all Japan Kings
road kind of style where like he wants to get his, he wants to get hit as hard as you
can hit him.
And he wants to be, you know, soup played as hard as you can slam him to the mat as
well.
And that isn't quite, isn't quite Kruger's thing.
But it was what it was.
What should have been the main event?
Probably not.
The important thing is, Junai Kai came in and kicked Manders' head off, which, you know,
is the best thing in the world.
And I can watch that next to my Johnny St matches all day long, because anytime Manders
gets his head kicked off by a kick demon is thoroughly entertaining to me.
But yeah, I definitely like, I felt like outside of like the chaos that ensued afterwards,
like it really wasn't worthy of a main event spot, just in terms of match order.
But like they could have done the whole extended beat down anywhere else in the show and it
wouldn't have been necessarily out of place, especially since they didn't end the show
on this thing.
Like they, like they went like way too long with it for a main event for it not to be
the proper end of the show, I thought as well.
In fact, so something else happened with that, Lorenta, but we're not going to talk that
because I'm going to do my own little segment on that.
So I want that for myself.
Now, gentlemen, I know Rob, my bad.
Muffin is not going to let me sit here and talk it.
We're not going to talk it.
So if you had to rate this one to 10, what are you going to rate it?
I got it at a strong four.
I'd say like five or six.
Okay.
Like for the most part, and it's because the matches overall, like if you take the entirety
of bell to bells, like the matches were fine.
The matches were good to great even for the most part.
Yes, there's going, there was some things that are kind of like, eh, but like, like bell
to bell, like overall it was fine, but it was the every, like it was the everything else
involved.
Like there really wasn't enough like proper progression I felt with storylines.
And then some of the other things that they did just were like Matt, like again, such
as with St. Laurent, like felt completely flat.
Like Contra, second gear crew was in an odd place.
And like, and really it's been going on seemingly forever as well without any like progress.
It's just been Contra comes in, beats up second gear crew leaves.
In two weeks, we're going to have a match between Kruger and a second gear crew member.
They come in, destroy the second gear crew leave.
Like so there's been no progress in the story, like regardless of what's going on with that.
And second year crew has never been able to get like one up on, you know, Contra to make
it that interesting.
And they should not.
Yeah.
But that makes for a boring story though too.
Like unless they like, I go for the boring story then.
Like a good story has its, you know, peaks and valleys and there's no peaks in that story.
So like that's all in flat for me.
I'm biased, Contra unit only on a fucking judiciary up.
I don't want to see any fucking, you know, heart rate going up and down.
Well, see, see, like that's where I put my biases aside.
Like, you know, I'm a complete anti-manders, but like if we're going to tell the story,
we got to have our ups and downs to keep me interested.
And unless they're just going to have Janiakai come in and kick Mander's head off every week,
like you got to do something else to keep me entertained.
But yeah, so like, I don't felt like there was enough story, like real pro of progression
into the story.
So like most of the show just felt like it was just there.
Like the matches were decent, I can't complain too much about the matches, but the rest of
the show is eh.
And then we have our big surprise ending that we're not going to cover for reasons.
And like that gets like that for me is also really weird because what do you do?
Like what are you going to do with that story?
Like we've now just crossed into telenovela land and where and how does this like on one
hand it can be very entertaining.
But again, like we still need to encapsulate this within a pro wrestling aspect.
And so how are we going to, you know, how are we going to pull this back?
I got it.
Muffins and anti this.
I got it.
Yeah.
My score is I give it a strong six of the show.
So we're at right now we're at an average five.
Well, strong, strong six.
And I know one thing that I kind of noticed that kind of baffled me.
That one mention or not even a picture anything of Alex King.
And I think this is the first time in months that I did not see Alex King in any of the
shows or even a mention of Alex King, which cannot surprise me.
I was like, oh, hold up.
I saw the name when they show the bracket for the opera cup.
Yeah.
Well, that was the only time that I saw his name and usually he's heavy on every episode
of El Mabeldi for months.
So I was kind of surprised not seeing him anywhere this week.
So to be fair, they're trying.
He's kind of in a transition point right now because he just finished the feud for the
ball.
What's left of the bull my egg fight club.
And so we got to move to our next storyline beat and they probably won't touch that until
the next big show.
Instead of, you know, this mid show.
Listen, they got an hour out of us for a show.
I only wanted to talk 15 minutes, right?
Like, so you're not an hour.
15 minutes.
Yeah.
I wanted to run through this.
I was like, man, I talk about this.
I could talk about this by myself for a half an hour.
I kept my mouth shut for this man.
And an hour later was still here.
Yeah.
We went over five minutes over.
Listen, I'm going to drop some shit on y'all because he doesn't want to talk.
Well, he don't want to talk.
Let me get it.
There you go.
Right here.
He don't want to talk it.
I got it.
I'll fucking handle it.
I'll go into my fucking Telemundo fucking days.
And it is what it is.
You used to do with the light.
Oh, the.
Yeah, the light in the closet.
You was the breaking news.
Listen, so y'all know what it is, man.
Oh, jeep or deep without a muffin's martini is Rob K.
Y'all are going to deal with us.
And I think we might be back Wednesday or Friday.
Who knows?
But it is what it is.
So, surprise y'all.
Yeah, we'll surprise y'all.
Enjoy your week.
It is what it is.
Deuces.
No more.