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What's good everyone major league pod two weeks we are back covering everything that

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we need to know about in MLW specifically going to talk about the burning crush. I'm Rob

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Campbell host of the MLW Confusion podcast and big in Belgium for some odd reason with

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me as always is the Nephilim of the National Wrestling Alliance muffins Martinez. How are

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you doing today muffins? Amen. It's what the third week in February and spring training

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baseball is about to start. So I am happy as hell brother. I am happy. You know what

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one one season falls and the next one rises. We just had the Super Bowl. Now it's time

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to get ready for baseball. Yes. Another another another ball I don't really watch but whatever.

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Oh no man you're kidding. I own I own a St. Louis Cardinals t-shirt. I quasi pay attention.

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I used to go to minor league games when I was younger before I got married. You still

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got to go bro. Baseball is America's pastime. There we go. But as I said so we could talk

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baseball except I wouldn't know what I was talking about though we could argue I don't

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know what I'm talking about when we talk wrestling either but MLW burning crush was this past

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weekend. You know the the second of the big the big YouTube be in sports shows a lot of

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stuff going on comparatively speaking for this one I did like we'll probably talk about

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give it our overall review at the end but definitely felt this one flowed a lot better

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than reloaded last month. So let's jump into it I guess they started out really hot with

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with an Alex Kane promo where it looked like he was going to step away from four bit whether

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step away from MLW or just wrestling in general looking you know looking towards his future

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what he's supposed to do next. Mr. Thomas did talk him out of that now where we're looking

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at day one is H. However the real news to come out of this is the impending debut and

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the interruption of said promo from the former flop dollar AJ Francis. He is he set his sights

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on Alex Kane and evidently he is aligned himself with WTF. What do you think about this move

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buttons man AJ Francis came out of nowhere. I remember I mean he you know he was totally

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with the hit the hit road there for a while then he got released and then three months

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passed by and he just popped out of nowhere in like the middle of December and now that

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goes that goes everywhere. Impact wrestling he's there he's everywhere in the MDs and

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now he popped out here in MLW. I don't know where challenging our champion there or ex-champion

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Kane. I mean this is another cardona move you know hopefully comes in for a couple of

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months you know has a couple of matches. Other base Kane you know brings some eyes to MLW

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but I'm definitely looking forward to whenever this match is going to happen. I don't think

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it's happening anything in February right I don't believe. I don't think so. If it is

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the earliest is probably going to be at whatever the February YouTube show is because I know

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at Intimidation Games Kane has got Bobby Fish. Okay so hopefully he might show up there

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and start something with Kane for the first show or maybe March will be whatever they

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call it for the YouTube show being sports or their way to the end of March for the show

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in Florida and do something there so we'll see what happens man but I'm definitely looking

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forward to this. See this is mad to me like I don't have I personally don't have much

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use for AJ Francis like I don't see the hype in him personally but I will say this I may

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not be high on him but he is a completely inoffensive hire that he doesn't do anything

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for me but he also doesn't make me want he doesn't make me angry he doesn't you know

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he doesn't make me want to say screw this and leave like he's just okay cool I just

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get kind of annoyed because he over he has an over inflated self worth and like sometimes

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I can't tell whether that's the character that's him and I do believe it's probably a

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little bit of both put together because like during his promo he like they had a checklist

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of things and I'm like well that's objectively not true that's objectively not true that's

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objectively not true but he's a heel too. He's only an ex WWE person yeah that guy that

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got claimed to fame working in Del Doree. He's like Mustafa Ali just like the old boss

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figure. He's not a freak like that. But again if he's healing it up and being part of the

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wpf I mean it's so. So it's the only guy that word people are interesting and now he's

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taking advantage of the fame that he got his 15 minutes of fame and he's gonna try to hit

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every independent company there is and make that money.

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Oh yeah you gotta respect the hustle. My big question is overall like I assume like his

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feud with Kane will be serviceable but again he's allied himself with the world titan federation.

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How do you think he fits into that specifically?

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I don't know it's just weird that everybody that comes in now becomes a member of the

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wpf like out of just like that like they couldn't wait to do it right on I show show it would

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be more serviceable to me like I was like oh shit he got aligned himself with Dameron

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uh Saint Laurent but you know it's just sometimes it just makes no sense that everybody that

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comes in is automatically a wpf guy.

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Yeah well and I don't know if he fits the styling of a wpf kind of like a guy either

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because a lot of the wpf guys are work very tongue in cheek.

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Yeah for the most part like Tom Lawler is willing to do a whole bunch of stupid stuff

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you know to forward it. Matt Cardona obviously was gave it his everything. Josh Bishop in

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what little like Mike time that given him is shown that he's willing to goof it up too.

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We haven't seen a whole lot of Bulldog in it but I'm surprised we can see Bishop in this

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show.

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I'm like we didn't we didn't get much of that either so like to me so like for me like I

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don't know like Francis like Francis doesn't come off as goofy enough to go along with

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the wpf folk to begin with. I I chef didn't he didn't get to hop in on this but like he

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he is very pro Francis and I agree with him in that he either a should he should just come

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in and be like the star that he acts like he is all eyes on him or be come up with his

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come up with a group of his own because Lord knows there's enough indie talent that you

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can bring in for a handful a handful of months especially if he's going to take shots at

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Po Mayer specifically.

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Yeah maybe that will happen maybe maybe it's just a ruse to come in with a dota f and start

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dismantling them from the inside who knows.

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Oh we will see as I said this is his first appearance we will we will who knows how long

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he's going to be here we will see hopefully he'll have a better win-loss record than his

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the rest of his stable mates.

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Yeah that's horrible.

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Yeah that's kind of abysmal.

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But speaking of win-loss records got got our first match of the evening wasted youth

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who's just who's been on fire except this is not our Dylan McKay Marcus Mathers duo

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it's actually Austin Luke and Marcus Mathers this time around.

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What happened to the guy?

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I'm not sure I thought it was going to be McKay and Mathers because they've been the

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standard duo.

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I thought it was the same two guys.

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No no this time it was Austin Luke and they actually put it over on commentary when they

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were when they were coming to the ring that they noted that Austin Luke and Mathers have

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been opponents in MLW previously because they were part of that threat match but tonight

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they're working together and and you know get the hat out.

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Austin Luke it has been a peripheral member of wasted youth in the past he's just not

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been a main part of that tag team as well there's a fourth individual as well whose

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name escapes me because they're they're half a blind spot in my wrestling existence like

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I'm only really familiar as with them as the tag team of McKay and Mathers or Mathers flying

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solo but yeah Luke does have history with them a positive history they didn't just slap

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rivals together probably good.

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Wow okay there's some people every day out of the same two guys I don't know what they

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did.

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You didn't even notice that their tights were different they usually they usually kill

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each other because they were different yes but I could have served with the same two guys

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I was a different guy I was like oh shit now I gotta go back and watch it again just to

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see.

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But yeah I mean they worked well together obviously they've worked with this so there's

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some acknowledgement there's some cohesion there and they end up teaming up with Nolo

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Ketano who also has history with our Nairdjouel faction which they really need a name at this

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point Tony Deppin Griffin McCoy and the Silver Sniper TJ Crawford yes what did you think of

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this match?

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Dude you know when I see those guys they use move man and I see where they use we finally

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know the Ketano and then the three other guys that you mentioned they definitely need a

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name because they are stable yeah when I see stuff like this I get excited because it's

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the beginning of the show they're gonna give you all that energy they're gonna get you

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all hyped up and it's a card crash and I love card crashes in the ring you see everybody

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flying by you get that spot where everybody does their maneuvers the finishing maneuver

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like you know back and forth I thought again the good guys were gonna win and out of nowhere

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the the the heels get to win hey I'm thinking to myself how the hell those way to youth

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keep winning their tag team matches they're supposed to be the number one contenders

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but WTF is getting the tag team title coming up an intimidation game like when are these

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guys gonna get their shot at a title you know yeah I gotta say touchy based on that one

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yeah I bring that up too is that they officially won a number one contendership match like

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also a month ago and they've been winning ever since yeah and but somehow yeah WTF is getting

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it's gotten one shot for sure and allegedly may be getting another shot here in the future

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due to some wrangling yeah and then cozy max has kind of jumped in line as well at least

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at least unofficially spoiler spoiler or manders and Matthew Justice have basically

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lay down a gauntlet of anywhere anytime cozy max because you guys are cool let's do it

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you like love bread like we do yeah well you know beer is liquid bread so yeah it makes

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sense but yeah like I think that's interesting is like wasted youth in two on two action

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is still undefeated and like by winning by winning a match with that stipulation they

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are the number one contenders of the tag team championship and we've got no follow up on

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it two months ago three months ago yeah it's been a little bit and then two like no offense

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intended to any of the competitors of this match they work very well together this match

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was very entertaining I agree with your sentiment that this was a very fun match and knowing

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who and knowing all the characters in this match you know that you knew that was that

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was going to be the case but I would like to start see I would either like to see them

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have a blow off match like officially or just them just go their separate ways yeah because

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we basically had like two paper two events in a row or at least months two months in

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a row where we've had wasted youth plus partner taking on Devin McCoy Crawford and if we're

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not yeah we're not going to get a blow off I think we I would like to see them just kind

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of split up and see what right now it's one on one right now yeah and but like but yeah

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the match itself was great and everything else is just me you know just complaining for

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the sake of complaining right right now is one on one so I'm guessing they'll get the

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blow off match as a termination games for that taping things for the next the real question

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though the real question will be off that is who will be the third who will be the third

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man because you said each time they've had a different person different person maybe

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they'll bring the other guy from waste agents and there you have a full full proper wasted

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youth yeah they'll have the wasted youth three members out of four against those guys again

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I mean I would love to see that not knowing that there was a different guy who found so

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hey surprise me again hey look at this three guys now they all look the same it's fine

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yeah I'll be all the more because they all look the same so I figure okay look at the

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two same guys never noticed I mean like I said they look like like a mix between the

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hardy boys and either public enemy because of the hair you know or even the nasty boys

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I'll go with it but yeah it's good match also good match and multi-person match our next

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match was the featherweight exhibition basically featuring the entire division as they put over

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in promos after the fact but the notorious Mimi taking on the Fetterette Zeta taking

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on Delmi exo taking on tiara James and I thought like this match was better than I thought

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it was going to be I yes I considering how green most of the competitors were yes I didn't

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have the most I expected to be alright but it definitely was better than alright like

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it was a very good solid match with Zeta pulling out the surprise win but for me the real surprise

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is is that they that one she didn't come out with Saint Laurent and two she come out with

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Becca's boyfriend Brett Ryan Goslin and I know I know they're boyfriend now yeah and

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like I mean I knew they're BFFs but like but you know whatever but yeah so as a leader

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de la renta came out for commentary so she was a factor in everything too because her

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and her and specifically delmi have had spats and now of course with Zeta wanting a shot

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at geni kai you know her and Saint Laurent are getting into it as well the one thing

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the one that my one complaint and this isn't even about the match is Selena was I felt

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way too vicious in her attacks on the division I am a big proponent like she put down everybody

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way too much I felt to like the detriment of the division and mostly because I feel

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this way mostly because I am a big from a big from big proponent get the words out

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Rob of putting your opponents over because you want to beat the best because if you beat

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the best you are better than the best if you beat garbage you didn't you beat garbage

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and you don't look better for it and Selena really kind of like tried to like basically

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flat out call everybody in that ring garbage and right now that's the featherweight that's

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the entirety of the featherweight division yeah and I get it she and I get it she's

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a heel but yeah there's gotta be a point where you gotta do what you're supposed to do but

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not bury the whole division I mean another match that I loved another you know four

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way females whenever I see females wrestling in the show I get excited because they get

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time this match they got time yeah they were there doing their shit I was very surprised

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in a good way with the talk is Mimi she looked really good tiara James looked really really

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good I think Demi X most built in too much time with the Larenta you know whatever the

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Holy corner went into she like kind of focused more on that they're on the match and of course

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Seda looks good and just as she picked up the win it definitely shows that she's gonna

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get that momentum and get that title match I don't think at the determination but maybe

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I had the following taping but you know all four female did their stuff everybody look

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good tiara James look good Mimi look good Sienna look good now unfortunately this looks

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to us like Becca may not longer be the L1W the way that now Ryan Gossett has been now

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teamed with Seda which actually they look good together too.

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Oh they fit they fit personality wise yeah so I don't have a problem with it but I would

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have liked a little bit more of a little bit more backstory to get why like out of like

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they went shopping once and now and now and now they're coming out to the ring together

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and now they're the Barbie and Ken of you know of L1W now.

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And then but yet but BRG still feuding with Love Dog which now makes less sense if he's

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not going to be associated with Becca anymore.

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Yeah inside of it but that's for later.

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and she goes off on all of those guys there and I'm like what the hell's going on now

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so that was a little interesting building into something in the future.

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San Loren comes out and all hell breaks loose after that.

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Yeah so I think it was too much like I would have loved the match to finished and then

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go to something else the match finished the Larenta got on the mic he calls San Loren

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and then just whatever happened after that happened I'm like oh good lord man like this

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Yeah again like we had a good match and then I felt like basically Selena just then kind

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of pooped all over it which which is not the case like actually like this is probably one

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of the better booked multi women matches they've had in LW at a while and because they got

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everybody they had ample time and everybody got a shine so like yes Zeta went over but

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everybody got some moments in there and they even had a good explanation why the

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most experienced and arguably the best competitor in the former DELMIXO didn't get the victory

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because she spent too much time dealing with Selena.

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But that's what I appreciate about this match they had time.

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Yeah I want to say it's definitely over 10 minutes so I was like okay finally you know

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ladies are getting their shine they're doing this shit everybody lose good there was any

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botches nothing looked weird it looked perfect it was just a perfect mix of all four of them

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and they jumped and like I said the toys made me look good James look good so hopefully

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you know they'll keep using me more and go in the future James more but they need to

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stop breaking that whole thing up like bring somebody fresh you know there's so many females

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out there you know bring somebody in put somebody in the mix get some different matches on because

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right now it's just females resting each other every show.

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all the featherweight feuds are basically versus Selena and then we won a title shot but Janiakai

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doesn't really interact with anybody like she's off in La La Land and so it's just Selena

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who no one is like allowed to actually touch for whatever reason it seems like.

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She's the princess she's the boss and nobody may be touching her don't mess with her.

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Sorry but yeah so moving on from that next match is the National Openweight Championship

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match the debuting Jake Christ taking on Ricky Shane Page with members of the calling

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what did you think Muffins?

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It was a good match I was more surprised it was a good match I'm still trying to figure

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out how a debuting person gets a title match right on the first show so I'm still kind

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of boggled about that one but hey it is what it is.

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Jake Christ looked good right from the beginning move after move after move after move after

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move like you mentioned I didn't get enough time to kind of get off the first gear before

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big cannonball and semi-cannon came in and then Akira came in and then Raven he just

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at least we finally got Raven back to back show so that was good so at least he's committed

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to being there they maybe get a little more money okay we need you here like every show

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we need you so it was there so but I'm also I don't know where the hell this thing is

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going like I don't know where this is going to like I don't really don't understand now

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we have a match between Akira and Jake Christ against RSP and what a cannonball?

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And Callahan Callahan I'm sorry Sammy yeah Sammy and I'm pretty sure that's what it is

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we know where this is going to get I mean we don't have to be bookers to see where this

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is going where maybe Jake Christ turns on Akira you know because he is part of family with

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Callahan you know for OVE in Ohio Ohio what was it Ohio versus everything or everyone

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or yeah so I mean you can see the riding on the wall hopefully doesn't happen but you

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can see the ink already going that way so but we'll see what happens yeah yeah I just

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muffins and I talked about this match before before we start recording and I basically

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said this match was raw and needed some time to cook like there's nothing wrong with that

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like in ring there was nothing wrong with it it just was too short before all the shenanigans

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cut it short I will note that Jake Christ wrestled like a guy who was fighting for his

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job like he just came he came in like a ball of fire like he's a f**k star you will with

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all the high flying maneuvers showing why like like the last couple years why he's been

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kind of like one of the more underrated wrestlers on in on the independent circuit despite like

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having a career renaissance despite despite being 20 years into the business like this

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is like year 21 like 19 or 21 I can't remember which you interviewed him before a couple

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of months ago yeah yeah friend of the show and he had mentioned that you know different

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eating habits no more alcohol yeah he got clean like he like it got heavy didn't expect

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any of that not gonna lie yeah I like to I usually run a light and fluffy interview thing

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with no curve balls or anything but yeah we cover like I did want to cover the body transformation

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because that was a big deal too but yes but he got clean and sober over the post pandemic

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and then he ended up dropping like nearly six like hell let me head math a bit like 40

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to 60 pounds somewhere in there as well much yeah like he like he what he said he weighed

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more than I did or more than I do because I still weigh the same but the different much

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yeah he he was pushing like 240 and now he's down to like 180 so it's like 60 pounds like

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yeah so he's like yeah so he weighed as much as I did except I except I except I have like

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five inches on it so I wish I was 240 my god I'll be happy right now if I was 240 yeah

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my my saving grace is that of that I'm like five inches taller than him so like I so what

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you're five harry it better here we're five eight five nine I have six three six what I

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have six three he's about five eight yeah every time I see that could assure you were like

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like five nine five ten well you never see me you were 63 you very rarely see me standing

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up there you actually told them because I'm 60 yeah and so like so I take some of those

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wrestler photos like it's kind of weird because a lot of the indie guys are shorter than short

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though like I'll have to dig it like if I was smart and did like prep work for this stuff like I'd

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show you a picture of me and Drago I have a picture with Drago and there there is like

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like a big oh he only comes up to like like my like close to my shoulders dude I didn't know you

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were six three look at that today I'm learning shit about my coke partner here for the last

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almost a year and I'm learning that he's 63 well again in your defense side right oh yeah

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sidetrack everything yeah you usually only see me via window where I'm sitting down and there's

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not a good frame of reference for a reference of how you know how tall everything is in here

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we're the same height sitting down yeah well the old wrestling ad each everybody's everybody's the

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same size lying down uh but yeah so you know sneaky it's sneaky big so that's that's why that's why

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you know you don't see too many pictures will be standing up yeah but I was gonna say to

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live to our listeners anybody who wants to listen to that interview with uh Jake Christ

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you listen to the MLB confusion look it up there it was a good real interview like you said very

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personal there for a while yeah yeah I got we got deep and deeper than I usually intend for my

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podcast but that that was I will say that that was all him like I wanted to talk gym selfies and he

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just threw it all out on the table for us and I'll be honest and I'll probably get flat for this but

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I do miss his brother though yeah well you know you can appreciate I'll put like a lot of things

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that where people have done bad things yeah you can appreciate the body of work and still condemn

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the person yeah you know especially and like I'll throw Chris Benoit out there nobody nobody wants

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to praise Chris Benoit now but he's you know he's he's gone he's not yes he did bad things

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he's but he's not hurting anyone anymore you know we can appreciate the things he's done do I if he

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came back from the dead would I want to see him have another match no I would want him to go away

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but I am willing to watch things back then and it doesn't well okay sometimes it kind of gives me

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some cognitive dissonance because sometimes I'm like oh that that was not like anytime I seem to

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like take a head shot or or sometimes commentary I'm like oh no that's a little too on the nose

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you know so I mean that's kind of how I feel about a lot of I mean again now we're getting real

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how I feel about some of the canceled wrestlers like do I want to see them now no I don't want

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them to come back but does that mean I'm not going to watch pro wrestling gorilla from 2016

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no uh you know I still want like I'll I still watch Chikara and turns out that was a festering

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cesspool behind the scenes but I you know for a while it was some of the best independent

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wrestling in the United States at the time but any who we've gotten way off track but but yeah

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so yeah what was the first the fourth match uh we'll count that due to due to uh the next

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the match after uh Jake and RSP was uh Matthew Justice taking on filthy Tom Lawler

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so we got some WTF action finally or well I guess we did with Zeta too but

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on the men's side we have some WTF action where he he or uh St. Laurent actually bothered to come out

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yes and we have the never-ending feud between second gear crew and the WTF as well well I was

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happy that you know WTF finally won a game match yeah this is a win streak that all up until this

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match it was a win streak it was two a two in a row because man uh the one called Mander's got his

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ass thoroughly handed to him by the baby bulldog uh so so at at at this point again you know

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pretending Zeta didn't isn't involved in WTF since St. Laurent didn't come out with her uh you know

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the on the so actually there are three in a row three in a row for this um for this

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same as yeah yeah even though yes yeah um which is right there boy whoo yeah and like you know I

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thought I thought the match was fun it was a little bit it was a bit of a throwback uh which I'm glad

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because like despite Selena's involvement like we didn't have someone really running interference

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proper in a match like old school Memphis style and so we finally got that level of shenanigans

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with St. Laurent grab taking a hold of uh justice a handful of times um and you know it's it's like

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I have to be really grumpy to say anything negative about filthy Tom Lawler and I'm not really grumpy

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today so but I love filthy Tom and I'm happy that he finally won a match yeah and yeah and we and

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this is something we've complained about ad nauseam is that you know they have this great pedigree

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in terms of talent within WTF and like we can you know we can poop on like how we nobody likes

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Mr. St. Laurent you know all day long but the talent in WTF is top tier uh given that they've had

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you know again saying it again with with uh Matt Cardona Tom Lawler who's a former MLW champion

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uh David Wismith Jr. who's uh who's uh who's an opera cup winner well two-time opera cup winner

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the tag team champion who's got a strong MLW pedigree not counting his worldwide cred

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etc so like they're you know Richard Holiday top you know former Caribbean and tag team champion

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in his own right. Hammerstone for one month. Yeah we had Hammerstone in there he obviously he was

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the world champion so like they've had top tier talent in there it was a shame that they're

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win-loss record overall and that doesn't seem to take it which I will also note like like and then

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when they do win it seems to be matches that they don't really have any states to them either so

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now are you getting a tag team match hand intimidation games right I believe so now do you think they'll

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finally win the tag team belts I don't know uh it wouldn't surprise me I'm more curious to see like

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which uh which members of WTF take the match because each time they've had like adult with

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second year crew they've had a different combination with that. They have Bishop and Lawler.

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Yeah Bishop and Lawler. This one was Holiday and um David Smith. Yep and so I'm kind of curious to

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see how that goes um but personally I think it's time to be honest with you. Yeah and I mean especially

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since there isn't much of a tag team division right now like we might as well hop to the belts a

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little bit um especially if we're if we are really if they're really serious about looking at Cozy Max

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as a tag team and of course we have Wasted Youths sitting on their number one contendership I guys

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I feel there there's probably more money on the table with the heels having the belt for those two

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matches um but personally for me like the biggest surprise of this match is evidently there are two

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one called manders evidently there's a one called manders and a two called manders because he was

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he was in Philadelphia and Bluegrass Iowa last Saturday and so now I am just gonna have to have

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like all the major temper tantrums because now there's two cowboy menaces running around the

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United States. I don't even know what how to handle this situation man. Yeah sometimes

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you know you can be a two-person at one time so. Evidently he was defending his Iowa championship

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in SCW pro and then helping out his boy Matthew Justice in Philadelphia for Burden Crush.

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Nothing is real anymore. Yeah and this is where I hate those taped shows coming to play when you

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seen the wrestling. Well hold on how the hell are you here and you wrestling somewhere so at the same

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time hmm something fishy going on here. They're all Rick Rude. Yes. Back from the dead for like a third

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time. Yes. Hey that's where we go. Speaking of things are how we're doing and people coming back

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somewhere in the process I was going to bring it up after the Jake Christ Ricky Shane Page match

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but I think this is where it came in otherwise I didn't write my notes in that kind of order

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but Cesar Durand met with Court Bauer and Cesar is once again the official matchmaker for MLW

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and then they officially on screen properly acknowledged the return of S. Tech Alucha

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despite advertising the show for like the last two months. But yeah and so and then to go on with it

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go ahead. No go ahead. Okay I'm gonna say and then they also further announced that his the

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he's bringing in three luchadores for for this as well. Misty Co is making his return which I mean

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we kind of knew that because he is taking on Rocky Romero for the middleweight championship.

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They're bringing in Atlantis but I'm not sure if they're bringing in father or son.

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They just said Atlantis. So I'm hope I think the father's already retired so I'm hoping it's just

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that that's my that's my assumption because like I mean it's cool to see the legends but if you're

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gonna hype someone up for a match you I also want someone who can go. Well I don't I don't want to see

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his father who's in the mid 60s doing flying around so I'm praying to god that is the son. And

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again if I was planning I don't have any arms reach I should have like broke out my Atlantis

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match because the mask because that was my lucha mask du jour of 2023. But we've talked about

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enough about me this here night. And then last but not least and I always put your the name and I

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didn't write it out full hand. Bob Barrow Cavanaurea. Yes. I always I butcher it to begin with if I

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don't write it out full and I didn't write it out full I just wrote Cavanaurea and he is making his

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return for MLW which I'm interested because he was originally part of Selena's crew. Yes that's

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what yeah. Now I guess when he talks now he's part of El Hepes. And it's funny how Kurt Bauer and

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him became to the agreement was because of are you going to bring Missiko. He goes yes okay then

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you could be the matchmaker going forward. You know all by just a name drop he became the matchmaker

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back for MLW. But yes I love what I do with CMLL. I mean CML looks like it's like though I was I

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will send this on Twitter. Must be the flavor of the month because every company now is using

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CML going forward. Now my thing is this too I'm all for bringing on those guys. I'm bringing them all.

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But what happened where the females at. That's all I want to know. Start bringing some of them females

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up here and have them go against your you know your roster especially against the Nike High

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if you know bring Stephanie back her bring Catalina you know some of these females that are

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bossing their assets over there bring them over here. You know it's only fair we only seeing guys

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and guys and guys so you start bringing some females in man. I also want to see.

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Right but I'm curious to see how going the full lucha goes. I know I know it does seem to be

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reading things online it does seem to be kind of a mixed bag on things because people either

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a people are like yes we need more lucha in America which I agree we always need more lucha in America

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but people other people are like especially with Cesar Durand being the former Dario Cueto

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they definitely tend to look at things as a third rate lucha underground which I will see how the

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thing branded as tech a lucha is but like you know it's like you bring in Cesar Durand who the only

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thing he's done wrestling is basically being this kind of character in lucha underground and now

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MLW and people are going to make that association whether they try to move away from that or not

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well you know and they're not wrong it is you know Cesar Durand the Lucho

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and people forget that this guy is not a wrestling guy this guy is an actual actor that they brought

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in for doing lucha underground then when they used to have the L.A. channel and once that fold it up

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you know he came over to MLW as Dario Cueto

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or Cesar Durand and then you know for a while MLW was a lot of lucha and that's what kept him going

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for a while before Kobe hit and then before and you know before everything started changing and

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then for for a couple for a year or maybe almost a year over a year he never saw not one Mexican

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wrestler in any other shows and they were and they were heavy there for a while so I'm kind of

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00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:03,120
they going back to that was making them separate from anybody else but of course you know you have

399
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:09,680
your guy Tony Khan with the big money he wants to get anybody before anybody else gets them so

400
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:15,200
you know MLW mentioned this guy's first and then two years before their big show you see them

401
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:24,640
wrestling and having a big feud with AEW guys the BBC and now you're gonna have those guys go there

402
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:32,960
to Mexico in March to have a big broadly for the BBC and the original guys from CMLM and we still

403
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:38,880
can't get that one wrestler from LLW to go there except for Rocky and he's always there anyways

404
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:47,040
I will say like the perk of this though is that if you didn't know who these guys were before and

405
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,960
you don't follow MLW that much I do feel like there is a good chance that you know yes Tony may

406
00:38:52,960 --> 00:39:02,720
have stolen you know those Lichidonis from CMLL but obviously AEW is a larger product a more popular

407
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:10,160
product and there is an opportunity for MLW indirectly then to leech off of that because like

408
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,400
hey we're also bringing these guys in too that sure we could try to argue about who brought them in

409
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:20,880
first but hey the important thing is we have them now so check out Intimidation Games check out as

410
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,480
Tech of Lucha check out insert you know whatever show here that we are going to feature these Luchidores

411
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,360
on especially like when we are bringing in like some of the top tiers like Amistico who's still got

412
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:39,280
you know who's done magic to rehabilitate his image post a post WWE and then his AAA career

413
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:45,280
to go along with that. Mexico is like one of the biggest stars in Mexico you know when he was there

414
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:51,280
and then before he left it became Sincata and then he came back and then he couldn't use the name

415
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,680
because somebody else had it and then when that person left he came back and got the mental back

416
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:02,480
so now it's his again and I'm pretty sure he will never leave there again for the next 20 years so

417
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,640
enjoy him now where he could still do those moves and his big 30s and I'm gonna enjoy the match and

418
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:16,480
I'm pretty sure and I'm hoping that he wins the title and takes the tour back to CMLL. Yeah I

419
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:22,000
I have no qualms with that I although I'm still like kind of upset that Ichiban didn't get the

420
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,960
middleweight championship because I thought that was the logical progression of that storyline

421
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:36,720
what do I know? I am just a neck beard on the internet I am not a professional booker nor am

422
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:40,880
am I part of anybody's creative department the closest thing I am is people stealing my ideas

423
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:48,160
when I say I'm out loud but yeah so I again Lucha like I am a big fan of Lucha and I am

424
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:54,240
like whatever form it takes I am you know very happy it's coming to NLW that's my statement.

425
00:40:54,240 --> 00:41:00,960
So we connect this to damn talking when Cesar came out and then Sincata came out?

426
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:08,960
Yeah yeah and I kind of like lumped everything kind of like together with it but he had another

427
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:15,440
confrontation with Selena de la Renta. This was going crazy this was like a

428
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,560
bout to go crazy there with all the words they were recording me trying to say oh hold on somebody

429
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,280
about to get stabbed somebody about to get stabbed. Oh and then they're making all sorts of like

430
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,800
rando threats as well like oh I have footage of him crying like a baby and then he's like well yeah

431
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:37,920
you had your brutes beating me it wasn't because of you. There's no such thing there's no video

432
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,920
there's no video I'm waiting for a view to pop up at the screen there for a minute.

433
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,800
Yeah you're gonna go and make those threats don't be holding out on us. The one thing I really got

434
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,560
out of like I was curious about like out of all of that is that at one point he walks up to Selena

435
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:59,360
and whispers into her ear and she knocks him the f down and I'm curious to see to well to hear

436
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,640
what he said to her whether it was you know something that is going to play out in a storyline

437
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:10,880
or if he did just finally crossed a line verbally. I'm hoping though it's a story like a storyline

438
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,680
threat of like some sort of like blackmail-esque kind of thing like I know you did x, y, and z

439
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:22,880
but either way she got drug away. Of course she made the match official for Rocky Romero

440
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:29,360
for the for his belt so yeah so that should be interesting and he looked kind of surprised,

441
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,760
shocked, and pissed at the same time. Yeah but but he was definitely glad he got under

442
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:40,880
skin in the process so yes it was a mixture of all the emotions. She got her revenge back a

443
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:48,640
little bit there and I'm pretty sure at the end they might come together as one and try to take

444
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:54,800
over something you know just because I think they they begin to figure out well I put you in jail for

445
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:03,360
like two years you got me back for a year. We're both maniacal in our minds I think we should

446
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:11,040
put our brain powers together and and take over everything so that's what I'm still hoping happens.

447
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,760
Again we'll kind of see because again we have this Aztec Alucha branding going on so

448
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,080
whether this once again is just going to be like a one-off or if this is something that's going to

449
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:25,680
go on again because I mean originally that was the point of Aztec Alucha was going to be its own

450
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:31,360
separate brand and then the pandemic stuff hit and they couldn't follow through on it.

451
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:39,040
So one is I'm petitioning this day for May whenever the May show is that you get a title match.

452
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:47,280
Somebody's built out of care but. I'm just gonna settle for being roving reporter Rob Cammer

453
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:52,640
and then you know if I have to do a sneaky pin on Mander's if he still has the belt I'll just get

454
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,400
hit him with a quick roll up because as long as it's on MLW Ground he counts for his title right.

455
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:04,880
Yes. Yes. Or am I joking I can go for the open weight championship because I am an open weight.

456
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:15,840
I'm gonna start doing the hashtag Rob Cammer title shot. Long nonsensical hashtag.

457
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:24,400
The hashtag right Cammer destroys the shot. I'm gonna get a following man I'm telling you Rob

458
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:31,840
Cammer destroys the shot. I tried to get me an Iowa championship this weekend but security stopped

459
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:37,680
me and by security of course I meet my wife. Good for her. Which I don't know why because she also

460
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:43,280
says when I win a title she's gonna invoke the 24-7 rule and tin me. So yeah I can also

461
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,360
put you this type of thing yeah that makes no sense unless she wants to win it first.

462
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,560
I don't think she wants the Iowa championship. I think she thinks it's the corn boys title

463
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,640
and it kind of is but you know man it matters is just keeping it warm until it comes home.

464
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:05,920
But anyway enough Rattlenau about that. So we got through our lucha spectacular stage rant.

465
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:13,440
The next match also a cluster in more ways than one was the Lumberjack and Jill match. Love Doug

466
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:21,040
getting a match against Brett Ryan Gosling the notorious BRG. I loved it. I loved it.

467
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:27,760
I loved anything that love Doug is and I was very skeptical when he came in for the first time

468
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:34,640
like who is this guy like why is this guy wearing feathers to the ring and then he just over time

469
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:40,800
just you know he won me over and I love anything that he's saying because he's very entertaining and

470
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:46,960
he gets his job he knows and he understands what he needs to do and I love this match with

471
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:54,560
Jack and Jill thing you know having everybody getting everybody up so I'm glad he got the win.

472
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:02,000
He gets the win right. No no no he didn't think oh that's right he lost. Yeah he yes yeah Zeta.

473
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:07,520
Yes I also thought about this. Offer to distraction and then he got the rope kick low blow and then

474
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:15,040
BRG stole Zeta's finish. Yes the I'm prettier the Toma Kazi or for you pleaves out there the

475
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:21,680
unprettier to get the victory. Yeah that's right because last month we had a stupid love blind

476
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,640
match. That was a mindful match which I thought was more which I actually thought was more entertaining.

477
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,760
It wasn't a better match but it was more entertaining because blindfold matches are never

478
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,920
good but both of them but once again both those gentlemen understood the assignments

479
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:41,760
yeah and you know did what did what they needed to. This was a more horrible match.

480
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:47,360
I love this match better that they actually got to a wrestle. Yeah I mean objectively it was a

481
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,080
better match. I was just better entertained by the blundish blindfold match. Yeah he did win.

482
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:58,320
Yeah so now they're even one on one so we get to see hopefully one day he loved that would be

483
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:04,080
somebody out with him. I'm curious to see again if we're going to talk about this being in threes

484
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,760
and being a series and now that we're tied one on one what gimmick is match three going to have

485
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,520
because each match so far between the two of them is having this had a gimmick. Are we going to get

486
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:17,520
like a mixed tag is he going to get himself a girlfriend and going to have something to counteract

487
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,240
Zeta. That'd be cool man I would love to see that. Oh I think that would be fitting.

488
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:29,440
What type of match do you call it? Like what? I don't know. Like you've got to throw some weird

489
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,920
yeah I have to come up with some puns after we're off the air. Yeah and well I'll be interested

490
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,800
whenever this happens if it does happen you know one-on-one and they'll come with some weird name

491
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:46,640
and then they'll do like a mixed tag team and maybe he'll bring that the new girlfriend from

492
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:53,040
Japan. Oh yeah he was he won the date and we're still having to see no video from the date.

493
00:47:54,240 --> 00:48:00,000
So Elma Dubey got the ball on this. They had a date. It should have been taped and it should have

494
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,440
been. Should have gotten a few states. Although match or the show little bits and pieces here and there

495
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:11,440
I would have loved that. Oh yeah that's one thing I don't think MLW does another sidebar is that they

496
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,080
don't do a whole lot of like we'll call it on location shtick. Like it is all and I know you

497
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:21,760
could try to argue like oh this is a sports base they try to do the sports-based stuff but you

498
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:27,200
know if we're gonna have like WTF like I feel like we should have some like the old school 80s like

499
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:32,000
again having some having folks that are dead we should have gotten to see BRG and Zeta go shopping.

500
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:38,400
Yes and I actually and if you play that right it can also help properly explain why they are now

501
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:43,680
managing each other or coming to the ring. That would it make sense right there. Yes you know

502
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,640
instead of just doing backstage instead of just doing like straight up backstage stuff like go out

503
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,680
and just film like and the that's the beauty of this day in age too is you don't even need like a

504
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,160
full-on camera crew you can you can you can phone and you don't even have to bring a camera man just

505
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:04,800
have Zeta with her phone and be like oh my god look what we found besties and you know and

506
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:11,760
Brett Brett hey look it's followed on you know. Yes exactly thank you thank you for saying that

507
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:17,200
because this is the age of the cell phone you have the camera right there you don't need a camera crew

508
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:22,720
but you have to pay per hour you have your camera right there you're on the phone 24 seven doing

509
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:27,520
stupid shit anyways and that would have been fun like right there I'll give you a hundred percent

510
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:34,160
but the date they're gonna on the date and put some cheesy 80s love music on the background

511
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:42,160
you know yeah yeah forget about me you know some shit like that I would have been that would have

512
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,000
been awesome but you know like you said they don't do stuff like that but you got your phone

513
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:51,280
man so for those people you know they're always tweeting or doing live feeding like whatever

514
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:56,400
they call it nowadays for like two seconds and many saying something they could have done that bro

515
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:04,000
you like you use your use social media to his advantage you wouldn't kill so many stones right

516
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:10,320
there would have been awesome the blessing and the curse of the age we live in in professional

517
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:15,520
wrestling or we have access to everything 24 seven we're just fans we don't know anything yeah now

518
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:21,920
nope um but yeah so yeah the lumberjack matches everything you'd want in a lumberjack and jail

519
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,400
match you got you got these classic of the faces just tossing the bad guys in the ring making sure

520
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:33,840
they don't leave the heels are beating up the faces love dug fell victim to a zeta distraction

521
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,640
and all sort of good stuff for that so this feud is not over yet either probably gonna get a match

522
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,440
three out of the deal we shall see speaking of things again that happens I'm down for it I'm

523
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:53,840
down for it I'm down for it next match is our tag team expectacular the debut of cozy max taking

524
00:50:53,840 --> 00:51:01,760
on the WTF faction in this form it's debut voicemouth junior and uh Richard holiday and I was kind

525
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,880
of surprised how long this match didn't go um I mean it went long enough but just considering the

526
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:12,240
players involved I kind of expected a little bit more out of it um but there's a fine match no no

527
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:17,120
complaints and of course like I I'm happy as long as I get to see Richard holiday who is going to be

528
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:24,000
winning the new south haas tournament uh and anytime I get to see uh Satoshi Kojima in the ring I am

529
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:30,880
thoroughly content as well two things I didn't like about the match one dirty I've lost again

530
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:39,600
and two you got holiday got the pin what do they really holiday he's been getting the he's been

531
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:44,560
getting the raw deal I as soon as he came back like I feel bad for him like I hope they're paying him

532
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:50,880
well because yeah he's been like really holiday he's been like an he's been almost a non-entity

533
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,800
to begin with like he hasn't made too many backstage appearances when really his biggest

534
00:51:54,800 --> 00:52:00,480
strong suit is his character work so like I'm surprised that he's not given the money he hasn't

535
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:09,520
been given the mic more well one thing I heard he has all the agility the charisma the body the face

536
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:15,680
but there is I've met people have mentioned that I see no thing that he's boring I mean I could I

537
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:21,440
could see the argument in the ring he's boring but like again there's folks who he's got the

538
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:28,000
personality outside of the ring to help overcome that I think he's got a mouth to sell it um well

539
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,960
he did all the coffee coffee stuff you know what the wall see journal things that he did well and

540
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:39,280
I'll throw out another guy like he reminds me of the Miz like the Miz is like I don't want to

541
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:46,560
throw shade at him but he is not a he is not a good wrestler what passable like he is passable

542
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:51,920
like he's all right in the ring he's going to give you a solid match but he's not but but his real

543
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:58,640
strength is all the stuff he's going to do surrounding the match I mean he's going to give him he's

544
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,200
he's going to give it 100% no matter what no matter what it is but his real strength is his

545
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:10,320
mouth and his and his mind to heat up the match before it happens that's his real strength you

546
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,680
know and so by that point you don't care that you know he's not a great worker you're all hyped up

547
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:21,680
because we you know you want him to get get his ass kicked and I feel that I feel that's that's I

548
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:26,880
feel the same way about Richard Holiday is that his real strength is his character work and so you

549
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:33,600
need to get him a microphone you need to get him vignettes and if you don't do that he can come off

550
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:41,360
as pretty bland I think um and like for those of you like who don't follow him on social media

551
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:49,680
like he had a really good film series of vignettes involve him going to therapy and so like those were

552
00:53:49,680 --> 00:54:00,240
acting great yes you know so the dude the dude has a talent to create and in this case like

553
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:04,960
since they brought him back to mlw they've not utilized it effectively he's been like like even

554
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:12,160
when he came back his first appearance back he didn't say one word like he just held up a hat

555
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,480
which yes it got a lot of heat that he held up you know he joined wtf but like

556
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,120
again the man's real skill is his character work and we're not seeing it yeah I mean if you have a

557
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:30,080
chance to follow him on social media like camera said you know that that whole piece seen the

558
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:38,000
therapist that was gold that shit was like perfectly done I love that whole thing that he did and I

559
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:45,280
love holiday I do too he's a guy they like they really should like especially they should they

560
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,280
should be in building building him a building around him especially when they were starting to lose

561
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:55,360
people yes they lost him for a bit for whatever reason but like but like there's no like there's

562
00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:03,360
no reason why they can't be doing something around him or at least again giving him the microphone

563
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:09,680
like that again that that if Alex is Kane which don't get wrong we both love Alex Kane but if Alex

564
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:16,400
Kane can call someone a hoe every week Richard Holiday can say the phrase rarefied air yeah

565
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:22,480
like if you can if you can make time for Alex Alex Alex Kane promos you make time for Richard

566
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:29,920
Holiday they do my I don't mean this to throw shade at Alex Kane so don't don't mistake the

567
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:37,760
statement as such but my way for the people I hope he takes down Francis but that that that's the

568
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,680
first part of that's the first part of the show if you miss that so I hope you haven't missed it

569
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:47,200
while you're watching YouTube videos in the middle but yeah so tag team match was inoffensive

570
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:53,680
overall outside of WTF losing again so their win streak is now back to zero I mean I I see why

571
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:58,560
they would I mean I can see a storyline wise why they should lose because they're really like

572
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:06,560
nlw is really hyping up this cozy max team like I love Satoshi Kojima I will watch it and I'll be

573
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:12,960
happy to see him but like I don't like world champions going for other belts I think they

574
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,520
should focus on you know their champ the world the world championship which is supposed to be the

575
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:22,480
most important belt in the company and now they're going after other titles and what happens if they

576
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:29,520
lose like that makes you look bad over 50 oh yeah they're both I mean don't get it wrong like they

577
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:38,160
both can still go but you know what the point yeah I really don't I really don't know that and I

578
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:46,000
I say this is a Kojima fan I keep him singles and because if one if one cozy max lose like what is

579
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,680
that due to the mlw championship especially I mean granted they'll probably have Okamura

580
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:56,960
take the fall instead of Kojima but still like it's not a great it's still loss in the win loss

581
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,480
column and I don't think that's a great look for your champion if they're taking losses

582
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:11,600
anyway let's just jump into the main event main event foclay brawl jakepa 2 versus madz kruger

583
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:16,560
their brist starting to fit the cruel name in there now so so we'll see if he gets to stay if

584
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:21,680
he'll become just cruel like he is on the indies or they'll try to make us say the mouthful that is

585
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:31,680
madz cruel kruger yeah awesome match I loved it there was violence everywhere we knew Fatou was

586
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:37,200
gonna lose this match because he already had mentioned that his contract was up but lmaw so

587
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:42,240
this was gonna be like okay we're gonna do this match you know close to chapter or me whatever

588
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:48,880
about it or awesome match a lot of shit was going on I thought I actually thought for a minute Fatou

589
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:54,400
was gonna win because he was hitting pretty much every damn flying maneuver that he could think of

590
00:57:55,600 --> 00:58:03,920
and he was still not able to pin cruel and the biggest surprise that I saw and I'm still shocked

591
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:11,280
every time I see it was the fireball there at the end holy shit that came out of nowhere I didn't

592
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:19,840
see that coming and foof and that's how he got him I'm like wow like I mean like wow like they

593
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:28,000
saved that for the last thing and prove pinned them and then to add insult to injury and close

594
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:35,440
to chapter on Fatou he brought the the death squad out they put him in a body bag he's he

595
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:40,400
whispered something in his ear or whatever you know this is the last chapter thank you so much

596
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:49,360
for what you did to us and he got carried out of the ring gracefully like okay this did we put a

597
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:54,800
nail on the chapter he's done but like the whole thing the whole match itself and man and and the

598
00:58:54,800 --> 00:59:00,720
fireball there at the end holy crap dude like that caught me out of surprise I'm like what

599
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:13,920
I they really put they really put over Krueger as a monster because he did he he well one like

600
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:20,320
outside of like one big flurry of offense for the most part like it was almost a squash like

601
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:27,920
overall Fatou did not get that much offense in and when he did get offense in it really overall

602
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:35,760
wasn't effective like he cruel took all took all of the big moves and one more thing I was surprised

603
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:44,400
it was a clean pin that nobody came out to help Krue so yeah which I mean is the best decision

604
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:49,600
to be realistic about it especially if the guy if Fatou is leaving and this is going to be the last

605
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:55,280
time we see him for the foreseeable future we definitely needed a clean if you weren't going

606
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,000
to put Fatou if you weren't gonna let Fatou get the win on the way out then he needed to go he

607
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,800
needed to lose clean just to help put over we'll call it for better for worse we'll call it his

608
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:09,840
replacement you know we're not feeling that shoes but in terms of but that's what you really should

609
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,400
do if someone's leaving the company you got to build someone up to kind of replace them on the card

610
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,440
there you go and they put over Krueger as a monster because they had nothing kept him down

611
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,600
and then I thought it was very apropos which it took me some time to really think about it

612
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:29,120
but I thought it was very apropos that basically the fireball was part of Fatou's downfall

613
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:39,600
because that was a classic Joseph Samael maneuver and and Samael and Fatou you know are tight

614
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:45,680
they you know war beast is a thing outside of MLW and then of course the original incarnation

615
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:52,640
of Contra was primarily Fatou and Joseph Samael and they had you know gotch come in for 10 minutes

616
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:59,440
and you know and all the other folk that they've had but like totally but yeah but for the most part

617
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:07,280
it was the main guys and the promos were Fatou and Joseph Samael and Samael is known for two things

618
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:13,840
fireball and the spike yes and so if you weren't gonna if we weren't gonna have blood for this

619
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:19,280
match we didn't need to have a spike but I thought it was apropos that the fireball was it was the

620
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:26,080
thing to take Fatou out and then just and there's the imagery of him getting body bagged as well

621
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:32,480
was like it was like I you know on one hand it makes me sad that that's how we're seeing Fatou

622
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:39,360
leave so he's not going to get any metaphorical flowers for it however again it put Kruger over

623
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:46,800
huge and so one of the things I posed to you as we start winding this thing down what do what's

624
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:54,640
next for Contra? Well they definitely need to start bringing some you know new members or all

625
01:01:54,640 --> 01:02:00,000
members you know whatever they're gonna do because I mean you can be having it just grew by himself

626
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:06,720
with 27 different you know guys and helmets that's gonna be crazy so hopefully they'll start doing

627
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:15,120
something with him and slowly we'll start getting away from the Japanese fandom that we the Elma

628
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:24,240
W has now where maybe during the summer Krul will get a title match and become the Elma W champion

629
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:30,400
for a while because that's gotta be the ultimate goal is him being the champion to control Elma

630
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:38,080
W because that's how Jacob Fatou had it for two years. Yeah but I'm just curious especially with

631
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:44,560
how they put Krul over like don't be wrong like a guy that size like yeah he needs to be a threat

632
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:50,640
which he wasn't in his original run like you could say all you want like oh blah blah blah like

633
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:56,960
really he didn't win matches he and like he tended to get bodied an awful lot both in the Kruger

634
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:05,840
both as Mads Kruger and then in my conspiracy board theory of Brogan slash Logan Kane um

635
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:11,040
like it's like they didn't know what to do with him like being like the only six foot ten guy on

636
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:16,960
the roster and he's go over the over there taking El's like clean El's and it's crazy yeah it's like

637
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:24,240
but I'm curious to see what this what this means as for the Contra unit like honestly like I would

638
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:31,920
almost like like for them just to bury the Contra name and let Krul just be Krul um Kruger

639
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:38,240
Kruger he's been carrying the name in the flag in the aliens for the last two years so right but

640
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:44,880
but but but that thanks the follow-up question though are is Contra going to actually be

641
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:50,880
gonna have named people in it or are they gonna be like the calling was originally and it was just

642
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:57,600
bunch of like nameless schools running around in gas mask which it has to be it has to be at least

643
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:03,200
have to bring at least one or two of the old members you know that that we're actually doing

644
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:09,120
something and then so brings from new fresh faces that he's been using in the Indies down in

645
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:14,800
southern um god I forgot the number southern honor wrestling where he's been keeping the

646
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:20,880
country in the name alive for the last two years I would love to see that but you know I love people

647
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,520
people like to any new faces then I don't know who that is I don't know who that is you know type

648
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:31,520
of your ship but I love when you see new faces because you know it gives you fresh feuds fresh

649
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:40,720
matches okay well this guy's new he's gonna be different so yeah and I and I just I mean personally

650
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:48,240
I'm more like I am more of the idea that I think Kruger should go alone only for the fact like I'm

651
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:52,800
not about it I'm not one of those people who said oh there's too many stables but there's too many

652
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:59,440
there's too many stables that seem to have mlw takeover in mind you know this they aren't just

653
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:05,360
like the four horsemen we're like oh we're just the best you know you know they're all like the nwo

654
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:10,400
who the end goal is the destruction of the company they're working for and you know there's

655
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:16,160
you know officially speaking two factions that that are running that you know right now in the form

656
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:22,400
of wtf and promotion on esterata we'll see what's going on with that steka lucha but you know lfa

657
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:29,280
at one point was state it was attempting to stage a hostile takeover of mlw as well and then obviously

658
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:36,880
kontra took over mlw for like six months yes yeah like actually took over mlw and we were just

659
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:44,640
stuck with the anthology series and whatnot as contra controlled mlw tower in new york uh so like I

660
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:51,440
just feel like right now ml like one there's not enough babyface stables to kind of counteract things

661
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:57,520
two like right now almost all the heel stables outside of the calling are really just trying to

662
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:02,160
and whatever deppens group you want to call them like everybody else is like seems like they are

663
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:09,360
bent on the destruction of mlw and i feel like that gimmick is played out and you said something

664
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:16,720
right now who is the babyface of the company like who's the babyface of mlw right now i mean we could

665
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:24,160
still try to yeah and that's a valid point we could try to argue alex kane is um we could try like

666
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:28,800
at a certain level you would have we would have to argue that satoshi kojima is just because he's

667
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:34,160
the world champion and and really like and even if we want to play stickler with it how much of a

668
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:39,680
babyface is alex kane even like even like when he was like even as he's getting over as a face

669
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:47,440
he's still very much a heel he he cut promos like a heel like it popped in my head i don't like

670
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:52,240
hammered on one you know he was like a big big main guy there for a while they made him like

671
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:56,960
polko gunner for a while you know i don't know what's going on with good brother number three

672
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:03,040
slash mans warner like he may be gone again i don't know uh we haven't seen either one of those

673
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:08,160
identities with the second gear crew in a bit you know yeah then they are kind of lacking on the

674
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:15,360
babyface side as well so i mean and even if with uh say sardaran like him working babyface right now

675
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:21,760
with the lucidores we we're not seeing we're not seeing a consistent base of lucidores to really

676
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,680
say like that that is our guide that is there there's no babyface that we're building the company

677
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:31,600
around it i know some and some companies yes like like our heel territories like nwa was famously a

678
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:38,240
heel territory but they also had like a handful of strong baby faces who could come in and knock

679
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:43,360
the chance well primarily rick flair knock him down a peg or two you know they they push you know

680
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,520
luger was chasing for a bit sting was chasing for a bit you always had dusty roads doing whatever

681
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:52,720
dusty roads wanted to do you know they were working on a magnum ta before his tragic accident like they

682
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:58,080
had guys that you could that were like ready ready to go and you can plug into the main event spot

683
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:03,680
also what you're turning away to our face you know so like that's the and so like yeah even if we're

684
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:10,000
going to be heel heavy like you got to have yeah you do have to have you you have to have a strong

685
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:14,640
you know opposition for it regardless of what side overall uh yeah and you actually that's a very

686
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:19,120
good point that i haven't truly thought of in a bit is yeah they're like there really isn't a strong

687
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:24,720
it just pops in my head when you're doing your thing i mean hold up there anything babyface guys

688
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:31,680
because i don't remember if not one like strong guy by himself who's a babyface there in the company

689
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:38,400
lots of what's happened to him yeah and he's gone so i'm like what's who's behind him like i don't

690
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:43,920
know who the holy was yeah i said what especially with kane what kane wandering in like tweener territory

691
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:49,360
yes they've built a lot around him but like he's always kind of had he's always i won't call him

692
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:54,000
necessarily like a steve austin but he's always had an edge to him where he like we cheered him

693
01:08:54,000 --> 01:09:00,960
but he was still kind of a dick bag he's going to heal yeah it's just that he kind of cleaned up his

694
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:06,240
act a little bit but he's like his promos never really changed he just stopped overtly cheating

695
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:10,880
outside of having mr thomas's appear occasionally but yeah but yeah but yeah but yeah you point out

696
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:15,040
there's really no strong baby like real strong babyface that we say like that's gonna be a guy

697
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:19,600
that's gonna mount like opposition to whatever's going on because again like we have satoshi kajima

698
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:26,000
but like i don't know what they're doing yeah i don't know what they're doing with him especially

699
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:31,440
now that he's with cozy max and i yeah i don't know how long like how long he's going to you

700
01:09:31,440 --> 01:09:37,440
know come in for them and and even then like no offense attended but like if if you're gonna build

701
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:42,800
like build around him we're gonna have to figure out some some way to like make promos a bit better

702
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:47,280
so we're not just relying on the feel good i love bread which i love don't get me wrong but that

703
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:51,040
isn't but just because i'm entertained in the moment doesn't necessarily mean that's a good

704
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:58,320
direction for the company i will know and i am not very good at ewr and te w the wrestling sim games

705
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:06,960
i also love bread so yeah yeah but again yeah but yeah so like so yeah they they are definitely

706
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,960
kind of lacking strong baby faces and so yeah i'm very much curious like now that you mentioned it

707
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:15,440
i'm curious to see like we'll say who's the number one babyface contender for the title

708
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:21,200
like one kojima drops it whether you know he drops it to suzuki which i don't think that's

709
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:26,720
happening but you know i i don't know i don't i definitely don't see this being a long term

710
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:35,120
title run which so i have a deep thought question so hey who do you guys think should take over

711
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:41,360
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712
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716
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719
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:26,960
form our own stable and launch a hostile takeover of mlw starting this may brother jack dude uh all

720
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:32,720
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721
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:38,000
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722
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723
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