What's good everyone major league pod two weeks we are back covering everything that
we need to know about in MLW specifically going to talk about the burning crush. I'm Rob
Campbell host of the MLW Confusion podcast and big in Belgium for some odd reason with
me as always is the Nephilim of the National Wrestling Alliance muffins Martinez. How are
you doing today muffins? Amen. It's what the third week in February and spring training
baseball is about to start. So I am happy as hell brother. I am happy. You know what
one one season falls and the next one rises. We just had the Super Bowl. Now it's time
to get ready for baseball. Yes. Another another another ball I don't really watch but whatever.
Oh no man you're kidding. I own I own a St. Louis Cardinals t-shirt. I quasi pay attention.
I used to go to minor league games when I was younger before I got married. You still
got to go bro. Baseball is America's pastime. There we go. But as I said so we could talk
baseball except I wouldn't know what I was talking about though we could argue I don't
know what I'm talking about when we talk wrestling either but MLW burning crush was this past
weekend. You know the the second of the big the big YouTube be in sports shows a lot of
stuff going on comparatively speaking for this one I did like we'll probably talk about
give it our overall review at the end but definitely felt this one flowed a lot better
than reloaded last month. So let's jump into it I guess they started out really hot with
with an Alex Kane promo where it looked like he was going to step away from four bit whether
step away from MLW or just wrestling in general looking you know looking towards his future
what he's supposed to do next. Mr. Thomas did talk him out of that now where we're looking
at day one is H. However the real news to come out of this is the impending debut and
the interruption of said promo from the former flop dollar AJ Francis. He is he set his sights
on Alex Kane and evidently he is aligned himself with WTF. What do you think about this move
buttons man AJ Francis came out of nowhere. I remember I mean he you know he was totally
with the hit the hit road there for a while then he got released and then three months
passed by and he just popped out of nowhere in like the middle of December and now that
goes that goes everywhere. Impact wrestling he's there he's everywhere in the MDs and
now he popped out here in MLW. I don't know where challenging our champion there or ex-champion
Kane. I mean this is another cardona move you know hopefully comes in for a couple of
months you know has a couple of matches. Other base Kane you know brings some eyes to MLW
but I'm definitely looking forward to whenever this match is going to happen. I don't think
it's happening anything in February right I don't believe. I don't think so. If it is
the earliest is probably going to be at whatever the February YouTube show is because I know
at Intimidation Games Kane has got Bobby Fish. Okay so hopefully he might show up there
and start something with Kane for the first show or maybe March will be whatever they
call it for the YouTube show being sports or their way to the end of March for the show
in Florida and do something there so we'll see what happens man but I'm definitely looking
forward to this. See this is mad to me like I don't have I personally don't have much
use for AJ Francis like I don't see the hype in him personally but I will say this I may
not be high on him but he is a completely inoffensive hire that he doesn't do anything
for me but he also doesn't make me want he doesn't make me angry he doesn't you know
he doesn't make me want to say screw this and leave like he's just okay cool I just
get kind of annoyed because he over he has an over inflated self worth and like sometimes
I can't tell whether that's the character that's him and I do believe it's probably a
little bit of both put together because like during his promo he like they had a checklist
of things and I'm like well that's objectively not true that's objectively not true that's
objectively not true but he's a heel too. He's only an ex WWE person yeah that guy that
got claimed to fame working in Del Doree. He's like Mustafa Ali just like the old boss
figure. He's not a freak like that. But again if he's healing it up and being part of the
wpf I mean it's so. So it's the only guy that word people are interesting and now he's
taking advantage of the fame that he got his 15 minutes of fame and he's gonna try to hit
every independent company there is and make that money.
Oh yeah you gotta respect the hustle. My big question is overall like I assume like his
feud with Kane will be serviceable but again he's allied himself with the world titan federation.
How do you think he fits into that specifically?
I don't know it's just weird that everybody that comes in now becomes a member of the
wpf like out of just like that like they couldn't wait to do it right on I show show it would
be more serviceable to me like I was like oh shit he got aligned himself with Dameron
uh Saint Laurent but you know it's just sometimes it just makes no sense that everybody that
comes in is automatically a wpf guy.
Yeah well and I don't know if he fits the styling of a wpf kind of like a guy either
because a lot of the wpf guys are work very tongue in cheek.
Yeah for the most part like Tom Lawler is willing to do a whole bunch of stupid stuff
you know to forward it. Matt Cardona obviously was gave it his everything. Josh Bishop in
what little like Mike time that given him is shown that he's willing to goof it up too.
We haven't seen a whole lot of Bulldog in it but I'm surprised we can see Bishop in this
show.
I'm like we didn't we didn't get much of that either so like to me so like for me like I
don't know like Francis like Francis doesn't come off as goofy enough to go along with
the wpf folk to begin with. I I chef didn't he didn't get to hop in on this but like he
he is very pro Francis and I agree with him in that he either a should he should just come
in and be like the star that he acts like he is all eyes on him or be come up with his
come up with a group of his own because Lord knows there's enough indie talent that you
can bring in for a handful a handful of months especially if he's going to take shots at
Po Mayer specifically.
Yeah maybe that will happen maybe maybe it's just a ruse to come in with a dota f and start
dismantling them from the inside who knows.
Oh we will see as I said this is his first appearance we will we will who knows how long
he's going to be here we will see hopefully he'll have a better win-loss record than his
the rest of his stable mates.
Yeah.
Yeah that's horrible.
Yeah that's kind of abysmal.
But speaking of win-loss records got got our first match of the evening wasted youth
who's just who's been on fire except this is not our Dylan McKay Marcus Mathers duo
it's actually Austin Luke and Marcus Mathers this time around.
What happened to the guy?
I'm not sure I thought it was going to be McKay and Mathers because they've been the
standard duo.
Yeah.
I thought it was the same two guys.
No no this time it was Austin Luke and they actually put it over on commentary when they
were when they were coming to the ring that they noted that Austin Luke and Mathers have
been opponents in MLW previously because they were part of that threat match but tonight
they're working together and and you know get the hat out.
Austin Luke it has been a peripheral member of wasted youth in the past he's just not
been a main part of that tag team as well there's a fourth individual as well whose
name escapes me because they're they're half a blind spot in my wrestling existence like
I'm only really familiar as with them as the tag team of McKay and Mathers or Mathers flying
solo but yeah Luke does have history with them a positive history they didn't just slap
rivals together probably good.
Wow okay there's some people every day out of the same two guys I don't know what they
did.
You didn't even notice that their tights were different they usually they usually kill
each other because they were different yes but I could have served with the same two guys
I was a different guy I was like oh shit now I gotta go back and watch it again just to
see.
But yeah I mean they worked well together obviously they've worked with this so there's
some acknowledgement there's some cohesion there and they end up teaming up with Nolo
Ketano who also has history with our Nairdjouel faction which they really need a name at this
point Tony Deppin Griffin McCoy and the Silver Sniper TJ Crawford yes what did you think of
this match?
Dude you know when I see those guys they use move man and I see where they use we finally
know the Ketano and then the three other guys that you mentioned they definitely need a
name because they are stable yeah when I see stuff like this I get excited because it's
the beginning of the show they're gonna give you all that energy they're gonna get you
all hyped up and it's a card crash and I love card crashes in the ring you see everybody
flying by you get that spot where everybody does their maneuvers the finishing maneuver
like you know back and forth I thought again the good guys were gonna win and out of nowhere
the the the heels get to win hey I'm thinking to myself how the hell those way to youth
keep winning their tag team matches they're supposed to be the number one contenders
but WTF is getting the tag team title coming up an intimidation game like when are these
guys gonna get their shot at a title you know yeah I gotta say touchy based on that one
yeah I bring that up too is that they officially won a number one contendership match like
also a month ago and they've been winning ever since yeah and but somehow yeah WTF is getting
it's gotten one shot for sure and allegedly may be getting another shot here in the future
due to some wrangling yeah and then cozy max has kind of jumped in line as well at least
at least unofficially spoiler spoiler or manders and Matthew Justice have basically
lay down a gauntlet of anywhere anytime cozy max because you guys are cool let's do it
you like love bread like we do yeah well you know beer is liquid bread so yeah it makes
sense but yeah like I think that's interesting is like wasted youth in two on two action
is still undefeated and like by winning by winning a match with that stipulation they
are the number one contenders of the tag team championship and we've got no follow up on
it two months ago three months ago yeah it's been a little bit and then two like no offense
intended to any of the competitors of this match they work very well together this match
was very entertaining I agree with your sentiment that this was a very fun match and knowing
who and knowing all the characters in this match you know that you knew that was that
was going to be the case but I would like to start see I would either like to see them
have a blow off match like officially or just them just go their separate ways yeah because
we basically had like two paper two events in a row or at least months two months in
a row where we've had wasted youth plus partner taking on Devin McCoy Crawford and if we're
not yeah we're not going to get a blow off I think we I would like to see them just kind
of split up and see what right now it's one on one right now yeah and but like but yeah
the match itself was great and everything else is just me you know just complaining for
the sake of complaining right right now is one on one so I'm guessing they'll get the
blow off match as a termination games for that taping things for the next the real question
though the real question will be off that is who will be the third who will be the third
man because you said each time they've had a different person different person maybe
they'll bring the other guy from waste agents and there you have a full full proper wasted
youth yeah they'll have the wasted youth three members out of four against those guys again
I mean I would love to see that not knowing that there was a different guy who found so
hey surprise me again hey look at this three guys now they all look the same it's fine
yeah I'll be all the more because they all look the same so I figure okay look at the
two same guys never noticed I mean like I said they look like like a mix between the
hardy boys and either public enemy because of the hair you know or even the nasty boys
I'll go with it but yeah it's good match also good match and multi-person match our next
match was the featherweight exhibition basically featuring the entire division as they put over
in promos after the fact but the notorious Mimi taking on the Fetterette Zeta taking
on Delmi exo taking on tiara James and I thought like this match was better than I thought
it was going to be I yes I considering how green most of the competitors were yes I didn't
have the most I expected to be alright but it definitely was better than alright like
it was a very good solid match with Zeta pulling out the surprise win but for me the real surprise
is is that they that one she didn't come out with Saint Laurent and two she come out with
Becca's boyfriend Brett Ryan Goslin and I know I know they're boyfriend now yeah and
like I mean I knew they're BFFs but like but you know whatever but yeah so as a leader
de la renta came out for commentary so she was a factor in everything too because her
and her and specifically delmi have had spats and now of course with Zeta wanting a shot
at geni kai you know her and Saint Laurent are getting into it as well the one thing
the one that my one complaint and this isn't even about the match is Selena was I felt
way too vicious in her attacks on the division I am a big proponent like she put down everybody
way too much I felt to like the detriment of the division and mostly because I feel
this way mostly because I am a big from a big from big proponent get the words out
Rob of putting your opponents over because you want to beat the best because if you beat
the best you are better than the best if you beat garbage you didn't you beat garbage
and you don't look better for it and Selena really kind of like tried to like basically
flat out call everybody in that ring garbage and right now that's the featherweight that's
the entirety of the featherweight division yeah and I get it she and I get it she's
a heel but yeah there's gotta be a point where you gotta do what you're supposed to do but
not bury the whole division I mean another match that I loved another you know four
way females whenever I see females wrestling in the show I get excited because they get
time this match they got time yeah they were there doing their shit I was very surprised
in a good way with the talk is Mimi she looked really good tiara James looked really really
good I think Demi X most built in too much time with the Larenta you know whatever the
Holy corner went into she like kind of focused more on that they're on the match and of course
Seda looks good and just as she picked up the win it definitely shows that she's gonna
get that momentum and get that title match I don't think at the determination but maybe
I had the following taping but you know all four female did their stuff everybody look
good tiara James look good Mimi look good Sienna look good now unfortunately this looks
to us like Becca may not longer be the L1W the way that now Ryan Gossett has been now
teamed with Seda which actually they look good together too.
Oh they fit they fit personality wise yeah so I don't have a problem with it but I would
have liked a little bit more of a little bit more backstory to get why like out of like
they went shopping once and now and now and now they're coming out to the ring together
and now they're the Barbie and Ken of you know of L1W now.
And then but yet but BRG still feuding with Love Dog which now makes less sense if he's
not going to be associated with Becca anymore.
Yeah inside of it but that's for later.
And then whatever happened afterwards after Seda won we get Seda the Larenta on the microphone
and she goes off on all of those guys there and I'm like what the hell's going on now
so that was a little interesting building into something in the future.
San Loren comes out and all hell breaks loose after that.
Yeah so I think it was too much like I would have loved the match to finished and then
go to something else the match finished the Larenta got on the mic he calls San Loren
and then just whatever happened after that happened I'm like oh good lord man like this
is like too much.
Yeah again like we had a good match and then I felt like basically Selena just then kind
of pooped all over it which which is not the case like actually like this is probably one
of the better booked multi women matches they've had in LW at a while and because they got
everybody they had ample time and everybody got a shine so like yes Zeta went over but
everybody got some moments in there and they even had a good explanation why the
most experienced and arguably the best competitor in the former DELMIXO didn't get the victory
because she spent too much time dealing with Selena.
But that's what I appreciate about this match they had time.
Yeah I want to say it's definitely over 10 minutes so I was like okay finally you know
ladies are getting their shine they're doing this shit everybody lose good there was any
botches nothing looked weird it looked perfect it was just a perfect mix of all four of them
and they jumped and like I said the toys made me look good James look good so hopefully
you know they'll keep using me more and go in the future James more but they need to
stop breaking that whole thing up like bring somebody fresh you know there's so many females
out there you know bring somebody in put somebody in the mix get some different matches on because
right now it's just females resting each other every show.
Yeah and especially because there really isn't like a steady female feud right now basically
all the featherweight feuds are basically versus Selena and then we won a title shot but Janiakai
doesn't really interact with anybody like she's off in La La Land and so it's just Selena
who no one is like allowed to actually touch for whatever reason it seems like.
She's the princess she's the boss and nobody may be touching her don't mess with her.
Sorry but yeah so moving on from that next match is the National Openweight Championship
match the debuting Jake Christ taking on Ricky Shane Page with members of the calling
what did you think Muffins?
It was a good match I was more surprised it was a good match I'm still trying to figure
out how a debuting person gets a title match right on the first show so I'm still kind
of boggled about that one but hey it is what it is.
Jake Christ looked good right from the beginning move after move after move after move after
move like you mentioned I didn't get enough time to kind of get off the first gear before
big cannonball and semi-cannon came in and then Akira came in and then Raven he just
at least we finally got Raven back to back show so that was good so at least he's committed
to being there they maybe get a little more money okay we need you here like every show
we need you so it was there so but I'm also I don't know where the hell this thing is
going like I don't know where this is going to like I don't really don't understand now
we have a match between Akira and Jake Christ against RSP and what a cannonball?
And Callahan Callahan I'm sorry Sammy yeah Sammy and I'm pretty sure that's what it is
we know where this is going to get I mean we don't have to be bookers to see where this
is going where maybe Jake Christ turns on Akira you know because he is part of family with
Callahan you know for OVE in Ohio Ohio what was it Ohio versus everything or everyone
or yeah so I mean you can see the riding on the wall hopefully doesn't happen but you
can see the ink already going that way so but we'll see what happens yeah yeah I just
muffins and I talked about this match before before we start recording and I basically
said this match was raw and needed some time to cook like there's nothing wrong with that
like in ring there was nothing wrong with it it just was too short before all the shenanigans
cut it short I will note that Jake Christ wrestled like a guy who was fighting for his
job like he just came he came in like a ball of fire like he's a f**k star you will with
all the high flying maneuvers showing why like like the last couple years why he's been
kind of like one of the more underrated wrestlers on in on the independent circuit despite like
having a career renaissance despite despite being 20 years into the business like this
is like year 21 like 19 or 21 I can't remember which you interviewed him before a couple
of months ago yeah yeah friend of the show and he had mentioned that you know different
eating habits no more alcohol yeah he got clean like he like it got heavy didn't expect
any of that not gonna lie yeah I like to I usually run a light and fluffy interview thing
with no curve balls or anything but yeah we cover like I did want to cover the body transformation
because that was a big deal too but yes but he got clean and sober over the post pandemic
and then he ended up dropping like nearly six like hell let me head math a bit like 40
to 60 pounds somewhere in there as well much yeah like he like he what he said he weighed
more than I did or more than I do because I still weigh the same but the different much
yeah he he was pushing like 240 and now he's down to like 180 so it's like 60 pounds like
yeah so he's like yeah so he weighed as much as I did except I except I except I have like
five inches on it so I wish I was 240 my god I'll be happy right now if I was 240 yeah
my my saving grace is that of that I'm like five inches taller than him so like I so what
you're five harry it better here we're five eight five nine I have six three six what I
have six three he's about five eight yeah every time I see that could assure you were like
like five nine five ten well you never see me you were 63 you very rarely see me standing
up there you actually told them because I'm 60 yeah and so like so I take some of those
wrestler photos like it's kind of weird because a lot of the indie guys are shorter than short
though like I'll have to dig it like if I was smart and did like prep work for this stuff like I'd
show you a picture of me and Drago I have a picture with Drago and there there is like
like a big oh he only comes up to like like my like close to my shoulders dude I didn't know you
were six three look at that today I'm learning shit about my coke partner here for the last
almost a year and I'm learning that he's 63 well again in your defense side right oh yeah
sidetrack everything yeah you usually only see me via window where I'm sitting down and there's
not a good frame of reference for a reference of how you know how tall everything is in here
we're the same height sitting down yeah well the old wrestling ad each everybody's everybody's the
same size lying down uh but yeah so you know sneaky it's sneaky big so that's that's why that's why
you know you don't see too many pictures will be standing up yeah but I was gonna say to
live to our listeners anybody who wants to listen to that interview with uh Jake Christ
you listen to the MLB confusion look it up there it was a good real interview like you said very
personal there for a while yeah yeah I got we got deep and deeper than I usually intend for my
podcast but that that was I will say that that was all him like I wanted to talk gym selfies and he
just threw it all out on the table for us and I'll be honest and I'll probably get flat for this but
I do miss his brother though yeah well you know you can appreciate I'll put like a lot of things
that where people have done bad things yeah you can appreciate the body of work and still condemn
the person yeah you know especially and like I'll throw Chris Benoit out there nobody nobody wants
to praise Chris Benoit now but he's you know he's he's gone he's not yes he did bad things
he's but he's not hurting anyone anymore you know we can appreciate the things he's done do I if he
came back from the dead would I want to see him have another match no I would want him to go away
but I am willing to watch things back then and it doesn't well okay sometimes it kind of gives me
some cognitive dissonance because sometimes I'm like oh that that was not like anytime I seem to
like take a head shot or or sometimes commentary I'm like oh no that's a little too on the nose
you know so I mean that's kind of how I feel about a lot of I mean again now we're getting real
how I feel about some of the canceled wrestlers like do I want to see them now no I don't want
them to come back but does that mean I'm not going to watch pro wrestling gorilla from 2016
no uh you know I still want like I'll I still watch Chikara and turns out that was a festering
cesspool behind the scenes but I you know for a while it was some of the best independent
wrestling in the United States at the time but any who we've gotten way off track but but yeah
so yeah what was the first the fourth match uh we'll count that due to due to uh the next
the match after uh Jake and RSP was uh Matthew Justice taking on filthy Tom Lawler
so we got some WTF action finally or well I guess we did with Zeta too but
on the men's side we have some WTF action where he he or uh St. Laurent actually bothered to come out
yes and we have the never-ending feud between second gear crew and the WTF as well well I was
happy that you know WTF finally won a game match yeah this is a win streak that all up until this
match it was a win streak it was two a two in a row because man uh the one called Mander's got his
ass thoroughly handed to him by the baby bulldog uh so so at at at this point again you know
pretending Zeta didn't isn't involved in WTF since St. Laurent didn't come out with her uh you know
the on the so actually there are three in a row three in a row for this um for this
same as yeah yeah even though yes yeah um which is right there boy whoo yeah and like you know I
thought I thought the match was fun it was a little bit it was a bit of a throwback uh which I'm glad
because like despite Selena's involvement like we didn't have someone really running interference
proper in a match like old school Memphis style and so we finally got that level of shenanigans
with St. Laurent grab taking a hold of uh justice a handful of times um and you know it's it's like
I have to be really grumpy to say anything negative about filthy Tom Lawler and I'm not really grumpy
today so but I love filthy Tom and I'm happy that he finally won a match yeah and yeah and we and
this is something we've complained about ad nauseam is that you know they have this great pedigree
in terms of talent within WTF and like we can you know we can poop on like how we nobody likes
Mr. St. Laurent you know all day long but the talent in WTF is top tier uh given that they've had
you know again saying it again with with uh Matt Cardona Tom Lawler who's a former MLW champion
uh David Wismith Jr. who's uh who's uh who's an opera cup winner well two-time opera cup winner
the tag team champion who's got a strong MLW pedigree not counting his worldwide cred
etc so like they're you know Richard Holiday top you know former Caribbean and tag team champion
in his own right. Hammerstone for one month. Yeah we had Hammerstone in there he obviously he was
the world champion so like they've had top tier talent in there it was a shame that they're
win-loss record overall and that doesn't seem to take it which I will also note like like and then
when they do win it seems to be matches that they don't really have any states to them either so
now are you getting a tag team match hand intimidation games right I believe so now do you think they'll
finally win the tag team belts I don't know uh it wouldn't surprise me I'm more curious to see like
which uh which members of WTF take the match because each time they've had like adult with
second year crew they've had a different combination with that. They have Bishop and Lawler.
Yeah Bishop and Lawler. This one was Holiday and um David Smith. Yep and so I'm kind of curious to
see how that goes um but personally I think it's time to be honest with you. Yeah and I mean especially
since there isn't much of a tag team division right now like we might as well hop to the belts a
little bit um especially if we're if we are really if they're really serious about looking at Cozy Max
as a tag team and of course we have Wasted Youths sitting on their number one contendership I guys
I feel there there's probably more money on the table with the heels having the belt for those two
matches um but personally for me like the biggest surprise of this match is evidently there are two
one called manders evidently there's a one called manders and a two called manders because he was
he was in Philadelphia and Bluegrass Iowa last Saturday and so now I am just gonna have to have
like all the major temper tantrums because now there's two cowboy menaces running around the
United States. I don't even know what how to handle this situation man. Yeah sometimes
you know you can be a two-person at one time so. Evidently he was defending his Iowa championship
in SCW pro and then helping out his boy Matthew Justice in Philadelphia for Burden Crush.
Nothing is real anymore. Yeah and this is where I hate those taped shows coming to play when you
seen the wrestling. Well hold on how the hell are you here and you wrestling somewhere so at the same
time hmm something fishy going on here. They're all Rick Rude. Yes. Back from the dead for like a third
time. Yes. Hey that's where we go. Speaking of things are how we're doing and people coming back
somewhere in the process I was going to bring it up after the Jake Christ Ricky Shane Page match
but I think this is where it came in otherwise I didn't write my notes in that kind of order
but Cesar Durand met with Court Bauer and Cesar is once again the official matchmaker for MLW
and then they officially on screen properly acknowledged the return of S. Tech Alucha
despite advertising the show for like the last two months. But yeah and so and then to go on with it
go ahead. No go ahead. Okay I'm gonna say and then they also further announced that his the
he's bringing in three luchadores for for this as well. Misty Co is making his return which I mean
we kind of knew that because he is taking on Rocky Romero for the middleweight championship.
They're bringing in Atlantis but I'm not sure if they're bringing in father or son.
They just said Atlantis. So I'm hope I think the father's already retired so I'm hoping it's just
that that's my that's my assumption because like I mean it's cool to see the legends but if you're
gonna hype someone up for a match you I also want someone who can go. Well I don't I don't want to see
his father who's in the mid 60s doing flying around so I'm praying to god that is the son. And
again if I was planning I don't have any arms reach I should have like broke out my Atlantis
match because the mask because that was my lucha mask du jour of 2023. But we've talked about
enough about me this here night. And then last but not least and I always put your the name and I
didn't write it out full hand. Bob Barrow Cavanaurea. Yes. I always I butcher it to begin with if I
don't write it out full and I didn't write it out full I just wrote Cavanaurea and he is making his
return for MLW which I'm interested because he was originally part of Selena's crew. Yes that's
what yeah. Now I guess when he talks now he's part of El Hepes. And it's funny how Kurt Bauer and
him became to the agreement was because of are you going to bring Missiko. He goes yes okay then
you could be the matchmaker going forward. You know all by just a name drop he became the matchmaker
back for MLW. But yes I love what I do with CMLL. I mean CML looks like it's like though I was I
will send this on Twitter. Must be the flavor of the month because every company now is using
CML going forward. Now my thing is this too I'm all for bringing on those guys. I'm bringing them all.
But what happened where the females at. That's all I want to know. Start bringing some of them females
up here and have them go against your you know your roster especially against the Nike High
if you know bring Stephanie back her bring Catalina you know some of these females that are
bossing their assets over there bring them over here. You know it's only fair we only seeing guys
and guys and guys so you start bringing some females in man. I also want to see.
Right but I'm curious to see how going the full lucha goes. I know I know it does seem to be
reading things online it does seem to be kind of a mixed bag on things because people either
a people are like yes we need more lucha in America which I agree we always need more lucha in America
but people other people are like especially with Cesar Durand being the former Dario Cueto
they definitely tend to look at things as a third rate lucha underground which I will see how the
thing branded as tech a lucha is but like you know it's like you bring in Cesar Durand who the only
thing he's done wrestling is basically being this kind of character in lucha underground and now
MLW and people are going to make that association whether they try to move away from that or not
well you know and they're not wrong it is you know Cesar Durand the Lucho
and people forget that this guy is not a wrestling guy this guy is an actual actor that they brought
in for doing lucha underground then when they used to have the L.A. channel and once that fold it up
you know he came over to MLW as Dario Cueto
or Cesar Durand and then you know for a while MLW was a lot of lucha and that's what kept him going
for a while before Kobe hit and then before and you know before everything started changing and
then for for a couple for a year or maybe almost a year over a year he never saw not one Mexican
wrestler in any other shows and they were and they were heavy there for a while so I'm kind of
they going back to that was making them separate from anybody else but of course you know you have
your guy Tony Khan with the big money he wants to get anybody before anybody else gets them so
you know MLW mentioned this guy's first and then two years before their big show you see them
wrestling and having a big feud with AEW guys the BBC and now you're gonna have those guys go there
to Mexico in March to have a big broadly for the BBC and the original guys from CMLM and we still
can't get that one wrestler from LLW to go there except for Rocky and he's always there anyways
I will say like the perk of this though is that if you didn't know who these guys were before and
you don't follow MLW that much I do feel like there is a good chance that you know yes Tony may
have stolen you know those Lichidonis from CMLL but obviously AEW is a larger product a more popular
product and there is an opportunity for MLW indirectly then to leech off of that because like
hey we're also bringing these guys in too that sure we could try to argue about who brought them in
first but hey the important thing is we have them now so check out Intimidation Games check out as
Tech of Lucha check out insert you know whatever show here that we are going to feature these Luchidores
on especially like when we are bringing in like some of the top tiers like Amistico who's still got
you know who's done magic to rehabilitate his image post a post WWE and then his AAA career
to go along with that. Mexico is like one of the biggest stars in Mexico you know when he was there
and then before he left it became Sincata and then he came back and then he couldn't use the name
because somebody else had it and then when that person left he came back and got the mental back
so now it's his again and I'm pretty sure he will never leave there again for the next 20 years so
enjoy him now where he could still do those moves and his big 30s and I'm gonna enjoy the match and
I'm pretty sure and I'm hoping that he wins the title and takes the tour back to CMLL. Yeah I
I have no qualms with that I although I'm still like kind of upset that Ichiban didn't get the
middleweight championship because I thought that was the logical progression of that storyline
what do I know? I am just a neck beard on the internet I am not a professional booker nor am
am I part of anybody's creative department the closest thing I am is people stealing my ideas
when I say I'm out loud but yeah so I again Lucha like I am a big fan of Lucha and I am
like whatever form it takes I am you know very happy it's coming to NLW that's my statement.
So we connect this to damn talking when Cesar came out and then Sincata came out?
Yeah yeah and I kind of like lumped everything kind of like together with it but he had another
confrontation with Selena de la Renta. This was going crazy this was like a
bout to go crazy there with all the words they were recording me trying to say oh hold on somebody
about to get stabbed somebody about to get stabbed. Oh and then they're making all sorts of like
rando threats as well like oh I have footage of him crying like a baby and then he's like well yeah
you had your brutes beating me it wasn't because of you. There's no such thing there's no video
there's no video I'm waiting for a view to pop up at the screen there for a minute.
Yeah you're gonna go and make those threats don't be holding out on us. The one thing I really got
out of like I was curious about like out of all of that is that at one point he walks up to Selena
and whispers into her ear and she knocks him the f down and I'm curious to see to well to hear
what he said to her whether it was you know something that is going to play out in a storyline
or if he did just finally crossed a line verbally. I'm hoping though it's a story like a storyline
threat of like some sort of like blackmail-esque kind of thing like I know you did x, y, and z
but either way she got drug away. Of course she made the match official for Rocky Romero
for the for his belt so yeah so that should be interesting and he looked kind of surprised,
shocked, and pissed at the same time. Yeah but but he was definitely glad he got under
skin in the process so yes it was a mixture of all the emotions. She got her revenge back a
little bit there and I'm pretty sure at the end they might come together as one and try to take
over something you know just because I think they they begin to figure out well I put you in jail for
like two years you got me back for a year. We're both maniacal in our minds I think we should
put our brain powers together and and take over everything so that's what I'm still hoping happens.
Again we'll kind of see because again we have this Aztec Alucha branding going on so
whether this once again is just going to be like a one-off or if this is something that's going to
go on again because I mean originally that was the point of Aztec Alucha was going to be its own
separate brand and then the pandemic stuff hit and they couldn't follow through on it.
So one is I'm petitioning this day for May whenever the May show is that you get a title match.
Somebody's built out of care but. I'm just gonna settle for being roving reporter Rob Cammer
and then you know if I have to do a sneaky pin on Mander's if he still has the belt I'll just get
hit him with a quick roll up because as long as it's on MLW Ground he counts for his title right.
Yes. Yes. Or am I joking I can go for the open weight championship because I am an open weight.
I'm gonna start doing the hashtag Rob Cammer title shot. Long nonsensical hashtag.
The hashtag right Cammer destroys the shot. I'm gonna get a following man I'm telling you Rob
Cammer destroys the shot. I tried to get me an Iowa championship this weekend but security stopped
me and by security of course I meet my wife. Good for her. Which I don't know why because she also
says when I win a title she's gonna invoke the 24-7 rule and tin me. So yeah I can also
put you this type of thing yeah that makes no sense unless she wants to win it first.
I don't think she wants the Iowa championship. I think she thinks it's the corn boys title
and it kind of is but you know man it matters is just keeping it warm until it comes home.
But anyway enough Rattlenau about that. So we got through our lucha spectacular stage rant.
The next match also a cluster in more ways than one was the Lumberjack and Jill match. Love Doug
getting a match against Brett Ryan Gosling the notorious BRG. I loved it. I loved it.
I loved anything that love Doug is and I was very skeptical when he came in for the first time
like who is this guy like why is this guy wearing feathers to the ring and then he just over time
just you know he won me over and I love anything that he's saying because he's very entertaining and
he gets his job he knows and he understands what he needs to do and I love this match with
Jack and Jill thing you know having everybody getting everybody up so I'm glad he got the win.
He gets the win right. No no no he didn't think oh that's right he lost. Yeah he yes yeah Zeta.
Yes I also thought about this. Offer to distraction and then he got the rope kick low blow and then
BRG stole Zeta's finish. Yes the I'm prettier the Toma Kazi or for you pleaves out there the
unprettier to get the victory. Yeah that's right because last month we had a stupid love blind
match. That was a mindful match which I thought was more which I actually thought was more entertaining.
It wasn't a better match but it was more entertaining because blindfold matches are never
good but both of them but once again both those gentlemen understood the assignments
yeah and you know did what did what they needed to. This was a more horrible match.
I love this match better that they actually got to a wrestle. Yeah I mean objectively it was a
better match. I was just better entertained by the blundish blindfold match. Yeah he did win.
Yeah so now they're even one on one so we get to see hopefully one day he loved that would be
somebody out with him. I'm curious to see again if we're going to talk about this being in threes
and being a series and now that we're tied one on one what gimmick is match three going to have
because each match so far between the two of them is having this had a gimmick. Are we going to get
like a mixed tag is he going to get himself a girlfriend and going to have something to counteract
Zeta. That'd be cool man I would love to see that. Oh I think that would be fitting.
What type of match do you call it? Like what? I don't know. Like you've got to throw some weird
yeah I have to come up with some puns after we're off the air. Yeah and well I'll be interested
whenever this happens if it does happen you know one-on-one and they'll come with some weird name
and then they'll do like a mixed tag team and maybe he'll bring that the new girlfriend from
Japan. Oh yeah he was he won the date and we're still having to see no video from the date.
So Elma Dubey got the ball on this. They had a date. It should have been taped and it should have
been. Should have gotten a few states. Although match or the show little bits and pieces here and there
I would have loved that. Oh yeah that's one thing I don't think MLW does another sidebar is that they
don't do a whole lot of like we'll call it on location shtick. Like it is all and I know you
could try to argue like oh this is a sports base they try to do the sports-based stuff but you
know if we're gonna have like WTF like I feel like we should have some like the old school 80s like
again having some having folks that are dead we should have gotten to see BRG and Zeta go shopping.
Yes and I actually and if you play that right it can also help properly explain why they are now
managing each other or coming to the ring. That would it make sense right there. Yes you know
instead of just doing backstage instead of just doing like straight up backstage stuff like go out
and just film like and the that's the beauty of this day in age too is you don't even need like a
full-on camera crew you can you can you can phone and you don't even have to bring a camera man just
have Zeta with her phone and be like oh my god look what we found besties and you know and
Brett Brett hey look it's followed on you know. Yes exactly thank you thank you for saying that
because this is the age of the cell phone you have the camera right there you don't need a camera crew
but you have to pay per hour you have your camera right there you're on the phone 24 seven doing
stupid shit anyways and that would have been fun like right there I'll give you a hundred percent
but the date they're gonna on the date and put some cheesy 80s love music on the background
you know yeah yeah forget about me you know some shit like that I would have been that would have
been awesome but you know like you said they don't do stuff like that but you got your phone
man so for those people you know they're always tweeting or doing live feeding like whatever
they call it nowadays for like two seconds and many saying something they could have done that bro
you like you use your use social media to his advantage you wouldn't kill so many stones right
there would have been awesome the blessing and the curse of the age we live in in professional
wrestling or we have access to everything 24 seven we're just fans we don't know anything yeah now
nope um but yeah so yeah the lumberjack matches everything you'd want in a lumberjack and jail
match you got you got these classic of the faces just tossing the bad guys in the ring making sure
they don't leave the heels are beating up the faces love dug fell victim to a zeta distraction
and all sort of good stuff for that so this feud is not over yet either probably gonna get a match
three out of the deal we shall see speaking of things again that happens I'm down for it I'm
down for it I'm down for it next match is our tag team expectacular the debut of cozy max taking
on the WTF faction in this form it's debut voicemouth junior and uh Richard holiday and I was kind
of surprised how long this match didn't go um I mean it went long enough but just considering the
players involved I kind of expected a little bit more out of it um but there's a fine match no no
complaints and of course like I I'm happy as long as I get to see Richard holiday who is going to be
winning the new south haas tournament uh and anytime I get to see uh Satoshi Kojima in the ring I am
thoroughly content as well two things I didn't like about the match one dirty I've lost again
and two you got holiday got the pin what do they really holiday he's been getting the he's been
getting the raw deal I as soon as he came back like I feel bad for him like I hope they're paying him
well because yeah he's been like really holiday he's been like an he's been almost a non-entity
to begin with like he hasn't made too many backstage appearances when really his biggest
strong suit is his character work so like I'm surprised that he's not given the money he hasn't
been given the mic more well one thing I heard he has all the agility the charisma the body the face
but there is I've met people have mentioned that I see no thing that he's boring I mean I could I
could see the argument in the ring he's boring but like again there's folks who he's got the
personality outside of the ring to help overcome that I think he's got a mouth to sell it um well
he did all the coffee coffee stuff you know what the wall see journal things that he did well and
I'll throw out another guy like he reminds me of the Miz like the Miz is like I don't want to
throw shade at him but he is not a he is not a good wrestler what passable like he is passable
like he's all right in the ring he's going to give you a solid match but he's not but but his real
strength is all the stuff he's going to do surrounding the match I mean he's going to give him he's
he's going to give it 100% no matter what no matter what it is but his real strength is his
mouth and his and his mind to heat up the match before it happens that's his real strength you
know and so by that point you don't care that you know he's not a great worker you're all hyped up
because we you know you want him to get get his ass kicked and I feel that I feel that's that's I
feel the same way about Richard Holiday is that his real strength is his character work and so you
need to get him a microphone you need to get him vignettes and if you don't do that he can come off
as pretty bland I think um and like for those of you like who don't follow him on social media
like he had a really good film series of vignettes involve him going to therapy and so like those were
acting great yes you know so the dude the dude has a talent to create and in this case like
since they brought him back to mlw they've not utilized it effectively he's been like like even
when he came back his first appearance back he didn't say one word like he just held up a hat
which yes it got a lot of heat that he held up you know he joined wtf but like
again the man's real skill is his character work and we're not seeing it yeah I mean if you have a
chance to follow him on social media like camera said you know that that whole piece seen the
therapist that was gold that shit was like perfectly done I love that whole thing that he did and I
love holiday I do too he's a guy they like they really should like especially they should they
should be in building building him a building around him especially when they were starting to lose
people yes they lost him for a bit for whatever reason but like but like there's no like there's
no reason why they can't be doing something around him or at least again giving him the microphone
like that again that that if Alex is Kane which don't get wrong we both love Alex Kane but if Alex
Kane can call someone a hoe every week Richard Holiday can say the phrase rarefied air yeah
like if you can if you can make time for Alex Alex Alex Kane promos you make time for Richard
Holiday they do my I don't mean this to throw shade at Alex Kane so don't don't mistake the
statement as such but my way for the people I hope he takes down Francis but that that that's the
first part of that's the first part of the show if you miss that so I hope you haven't missed it
while you're watching YouTube videos in the middle but yeah so tag team match was inoffensive
overall outside of WTF losing again so their win streak is now back to zero I mean I I see why
they would I mean I can see a storyline wise why they should lose because they're really like
nlw is really hyping up this cozy max team like I love Satoshi Kojima I will watch it and I'll be
happy to see him but like I don't like world champions going for other belts I think they
should focus on you know their champ the world the world championship which is supposed to be the
most important belt in the company and now they're going after other titles and what happens if they
lose like that makes you look bad over 50 oh yeah they're both I mean don't get it wrong like they
both can still go but you know what the point yeah I really don't I really don't know that and I
I say this is a Kojima fan I keep him singles and because if one if one cozy max lose like what is
that due to the mlw championship especially I mean granted they'll probably have Okamura
take the fall instead of Kojima but still like it's not a great it's still loss in the win loss
column and I don't think that's a great look for your champion if they're taking losses
anyway let's just jump into the main event main event foclay brawl jakepa 2 versus madz kruger
their brist starting to fit the cruel name in there now so so we'll see if he gets to stay if
he'll become just cruel like he is on the indies or they'll try to make us say the mouthful that is
madz cruel kruger yeah awesome match I loved it there was violence everywhere we knew Fatou was
gonna lose this match because he already had mentioned that his contract was up but lmaw so
this was gonna be like okay we're gonna do this match you know close to chapter or me whatever
about it or awesome match a lot of shit was going on I thought I actually thought for a minute Fatou
was gonna win because he was hitting pretty much every damn flying maneuver that he could think of
and he was still not able to pin cruel and the biggest surprise that I saw and I'm still shocked
every time I see it was the fireball there at the end holy shit that came out of nowhere I didn't
see that coming and foof and that's how he got him I'm like wow like I mean like wow like they
saved that for the last thing and prove pinned them and then to add insult to injury and close
to chapter on Fatou he brought the the death squad out they put him in a body bag he's he
whispered something in his ear or whatever you know this is the last chapter thank you so much
for what you did to us and he got carried out of the ring gracefully like okay this did we put a
nail on the chapter he's done but like the whole thing the whole match itself and man and and the
fireball there at the end holy crap dude like that caught me out of surprise I'm like what
I they really put they really put over Krueger as a monster because he did he he well one like
outside of like one big flurry of offense for the most part like it was almost a squash like
overall Fatou did not get that much offense in and when he did get offense in it really overall
wasn't effective like he cruel took all took all of the big moves and one more thing I was surprised
it was a clean pin that nobody came out to help Krue so yeah which I mean is the best decision
to be realistic about it especially if the guy if Fatou is leaving and this is going to be the last
time we see him for the foreseeable future we definitely needed a clean if you weren't going
to put Fatou if you weren't gonna let Fatou get the win on the way out then he needed to go he
needed to lose clean just to help put over we'll call it for better for worse we'll call it his
replacement you know we're not feeling that shoes but in terms of but that's what you really should
do if someone's leaving the company you got to build someone up to kind of replace them on the card
there you go and they put over Krueger as a monster because they had nothing kept him down
and then I thought it was very apropos which it took me some time to really think about it
but I thought it was very apropos that basically the fireball was part of Fatou's downfall
because that was a classic Joseph Samael maneuver and and Samael and Fatou you know are tight
they you know war beast is a thing outside of MLW and then of course the original incarnation
of Contra was primarily Fatou and Joseph Samael and they had you know gotch come in for 10 minutes
and you know and all the other folk that they've had but like totally but yeah but for the most part
it was the main guys and the promos were Fatou and Joseph Samael and Samael is known for two things
fireball and the spike yes and so if you weren't gonna if we weren't gonna have blood for this
match we didn't need to have a spike but I thought it was apropos that the fireball was it was the
thing to take Fatou out and then just and there's the imagery of him getting body bagged as well
was like it was like I you know on one hand it makes me sad that that's how we're seeing Fatou
leave so he's not going to get any metaphorical flowers for it however again it put Kruger over
huge and so one of the things I posed to you as we start winding this thing down what do what's
next for Contra? Well they definitely need to start bringing some you know new members or all
members you know whatever they're gonna do because I mean you can be having it just grew by himself
with 27 different you know guys and helmets that's gonna be crazy so hopefully they'll start doing
something with him and slowly we'll start getting away from the Japanese fandom that we the Elma
W has now where maybe during the summer Krul will get a title match and become the Elma W champion
for a while because that's gotta be the ultimate goal is him being the champion to control Elma
W because that's how Jacob Fatou had it for two years. Yeah but I'm just curious especially with
how they put Krul over like don't be wrong like a guy that size like yeah he needs to be a threat
which he wasn't in his original run like you could say all you want like oh blah blah blah like
really he didn't win matches he and like he tended to get bodied an awful lot both in the Kruger
both as Mads Kruger and then in my conspiracy board theory of Brogan slash Logan Kane um
like it's like they didn't know what to do with him like being like the only six foot ten guy on
the roster and he's go over the over there taking El's like clean El's and it's crazy yeah it's like
but I'm curious to see what this what this means as for the Contra unit like honestly like I would
almost like like for them just to bury the Contra name and let Krul just be Krul um Kruger
Kruger he's been carrying the name in the flag in the aliens for the last two years so right but
but but but that thanks the follow-up question though are is Contra going to actually be
gonna have named people in it or are they gonna be like the calling was originally and it was just
bunch of like nameless schools running around in gas mask which it has to be it has to be at least
have to bring at least one or two of the old members you know that that we're actually doing
something and then so brings from new fresh faces that he's been using in the Indies down in
southern um god I forgot the number southern honor wrestling where he's been keeping the
country in the name alive for the last two years I would love to see that but you know I love people
people like to any new faces then I don't know who that is I don't know who that is you know type
of your ship but I love when you see new faces because you know it gives you fresh feuds fresh
matches okay well this guy's new he's gonna be different so yeah and I and I just I mean personally
I'm more like I am more of the idea that I think Kruger should go alone only for the fact like I'm
not about it I'm not one of those people who said oh there's too many stables but there's too many
there's too many stables that seem to have mlw takeover in mind you know this they aren't just
like the four horsemen we're like oh we're just the best you know you know they're all like the nwo
who the end goal is the destruction of the company they're working for and you know there's
you know officially speaking two factions that that are running that you know right now in the form
of wtf and promotion on esterata we'll see what's going on with that steka lucha but you know lfa
at one point was state it was attempting to stage a hostile takeover of mlw as well and then obviously
kontra took over mlw for like six months yes yeah like actually took over mlw and we were just
stuck with the anthology series and whatnot as contra controlled mlw tower in new york uh so like I
just feel like right now ml like one there's not enough babyface stables to kind of counteract things
two like right now almost all the heel stables outside of the calling are really just trying to
and whatever deppens group you want to call them like everybody else is like seems like they are
bent on the destruction of mlw and i feel like that gimmick is played out and you said something
right now who is the babyface of the company like who's the babyface of mlw right now i mean we could
still try to yeah and that's a valid point we could try to argue alex kane is um we could try like
at a certain level you would have we would have to argue that satoshi kojima is just because he's
the world champion and and really like and even if we want to play stickler with it how much of a
babyface is alex kane even like even like when he was like even as he's getting over as a face
he's still very much a heel he he cut promos like a heel like it popped in my head i don't like
hammered on one you know he was like a big big main guy there for a while they made him like
polko gunner for a while you know i don't know what's going on with good brother number three
slash mans warner like he may be gone again i don't know uh we haven't seen either one of those
identities with the second gear crew in a bit you know yeah then they are kind of lacking on the
babyface side as well so i mean and even if with uh say sardaran like him working babyface right now
with the lucidores we we're not seeing we're not seeing a consistent base of lucidores to really
say like that that is our guide that is there there's no babyface that we're building the company
around it i know some and some companies yes like like our heel territories like nwa was famously a
heel territory but they also had like a handful of strong baby faces who could come in and knock
the chance well primarily rick flair knock him down a peg or two you know they they push you know
luger was chasing for a bit sting was chasing for a bit you always had dusty roads doing whatever
dusty roads wanted to do you know they were working on a magnum ta before his tragic accident like they
had guys that you could that were like ready ready to go and you can plug into the main event spot
also what you're turning away to our face you know so like that's the and so like yeah even if we're
going to be heel heavy like you got to have yeah you do have to have you you have to have a strong
you know opposition for it regardless of what side overall uh yeah and you actually that's a very
good point that i haven't truly thought of in a bit is yeah they're like there really isn't a strong
it just pops in my head when you're doing your thing i mean hold up there anything babyface guys
because i don't remember if not one like strong guy by himself who's a babyface there in the company
lots of what's happened to him yeah and he's gone so i'm like what's who's behind him like i don't
know who the holy was yeah i said what especially with kane what kane wandering in like tweener territory
yes they've built a lot around him but like he's always kind of had he's always i won't call him
necessarily like a steve austin but he's always had an edge to him where he like we cheered him
but he was still kind of a dick bag he's going to heal yeah it's just that he kind of cleaned up his
act a little bit but he's like his promos never really changed he just stopped overtly cheating
outside of having mr thomas's appear occasionally but yeah but yeah but yeah but yeah you point out
there's really no strong baby like real strong babyface that we say like that's gonna be a guy
that's gonna mount like opposition to whatever's going on because again like we have satoshi kajima
but like i don't know what they're doing yeah i don't know what they're doing with him especially
now that he's with cozy max and i yeah i don't know how long like how long he's going to you
know come in for them and and even then like no offense attended but like if if you're gonna build
like build around him we're gonna have to figure out some some way to like make promos a bit better
so we're not just relying on the feel good i love bread which i love don't get me wrong but that
isn't but just because i'm entertained in the moment doesn't necessarily mean that's a good
direction for the company i will know and i am not very good at ewr and te w the wrestling sim games
i also love bread so yeah yeah but again yeah but yeah so like so yeah they they are definitely
kind of lacking strong baby faces and so yeah i'm very much curious like now that you mentioned it
i'm curious to see like we'll say who's the number one babyface contender for the title
like one kojima drops it whether you know he drops it to suzuki which i don't think that's
happening but you know i i don't know i don't i definitely don't see this being a long term
title run which so i have a deep thought question so hey who do you guys think should take over
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