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This is Shane Taylor, CEO of Shane Taylor Promotions and you are listening to the Urban

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Wrestling Network.

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Good morning, good afternoon, good evening.

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This is Urban Wrestling Network.

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Today is not just like any other day with us.

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It's a special.

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I'm running with obviously my man, the Conquito Papi himself.

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And today he's either left or he's right as the man says himself.

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I ain't sure.

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But this man, it ain't none other than Shane Taylor, our await superstar.

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And that's what he is.

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He's a superstar people in his own right.

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He makes his own history.

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How are you Shane?

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I'm good man.

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I'm blessed.

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Thank you guys for having me.

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Appreciate it.

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Oh, I'm super excited when Butcher was like, yo, we're going to have Shane Taylor, the

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champ on.

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I was like, get the fuck.

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Yeah, you know what?

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I'm going to say what I want.

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I'm like, yeah, I was bugged.

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I was like, oh, no way.

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And he's like, bro, we got him.

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And I was like, man, we're going to get it in.

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Butcher, please.

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You go at him.

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I got a million random.

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I don't know.

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Even if they're really wrestling.

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I'm like, I'm like, this is Shane Taylor.

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I've been like, I've got a message in this guy for ages.

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I actually, I mean, I've been watching you for a while.

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But I mean, I mean, I'm like, I'm like, well, my message was buddy buddies with Rickland

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Stevens.

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And I'm like, I'm like, oh, I'll see if I can be Rickland's friend.

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I mess, I go like Rickland.

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And I say, oh, Shane Taylor.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So I mean, listen, I mean, I know you're you grew up.

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I grew up in Cleveland.

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And tell us a bit about growing up in Cleveland.

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Um, man, where to begin with that one?

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Um, we have a saying in Cleveland, especially on the East side.

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Hold on.

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My daughter is screaming.

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Give me one second.

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You're the only one.

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Kids are going to be kids.

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Absolutely.

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But, uh, nah, man, listen for everybody while we have a little dead spot, I'm excited for

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this one, man.

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I mean, this guy's the champ.

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You know, I mean, he, he's putting him in work.

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I would put him, you know, to be honest with you, there's not a wrestler in our weights

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that I can't see him beating.

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I mean, let's be honest.

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Dude, this is what I'm going with this.

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This is what I'm going with.

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You know, me and he'll do it.

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You know, me being the best, the best BH ITV.

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This is like a man I would.

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I've done to the carpet.

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I'm fucking with this dude.

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Listen, listen, I hope he's ready because we're not going to give, uh, that carbon copy bullshit

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interview that people like to do.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, you know what, Conquito?

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Unlike some, we don't have holidays.

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We work all day.

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And you know why we work all day and all week?

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Cause wrestling never sleeps.

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Facts.

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The big old facts.

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We can edit all that in post.

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It's cool.

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Come on.

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I got two kids.

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He's got kids.

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She usually sleeps.

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I just am like, why is she screaming right now?

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All right.

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Um, we have a saying where I'm from and that is you're either from Cleveland or you're

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And what that means is there are certain things you grow up a certain way and it's different

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than any other city.

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You know what I mean?

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Because Cleveland's sort of this like it's a major city, but then it's not too.

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Like it's not a Chicago.

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It's not an Atlanta.

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But when you talk about, especially where I'm from, the East side, right?

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When you talk about per capita crime rate, per capita violence, per capital, per capita

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drug, you know, all the statistical things that they rank cities in the East side of

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Cleveland, Ohio is always what they measure.

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They don't even measure the whole city.

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They talk about this specific area and it still ranks up there because that's what that's

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what goes on there.

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Right.

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So coming from that background, coming from that area, seeing the things that I've seen,

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things that my friends were involved in, family was involved in, you know, I tell people

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all the time, I'd probably been to 100 funerals by the time I was 14.

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You know what I mean?

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It changes the way you look at the world.

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And for me, it makes you grow up very, very fast.

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And for me, I appreciate that now that I'm 35 to go, I grew up ready for the world, you

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know, at a very young age.

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I knew what the world was.

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I'm not one of these people that is ignorant to how society is, to how the world works,

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to how different things work.

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I know exactly what this game is.

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Right.

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So that prepared me for that.

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And so all of the things, all of the negative, eventually for me, turns into a positive

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because now when I go to the ring, I get to let people know that I'm from the East side

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of Cleveland, Ohio.

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And what that tells them is that I've been through the same things you've gone through.

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I've seen the same things.

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I've been a part of it.

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I've seen from top to bottom what that city, what that area can do.

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And I am still standing here.

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I am still one of the very best in the world at my craft.

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I am still successful, you know, and if I can do, and I'm nobody special, I will let

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people know that right now.

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I am nobody special.

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But you know, I refer it, I referred to the Jay-Z lyric, you know, he's like, and nothing

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really to it just had the balls to do it.

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You know what I mean?

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That's all it is.

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You know what?

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I'm a disagree when you say that you ain't nobody special because not a real talk because

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on just what you said now, it makes you special.

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Like we didn't even know your wrestling thing, but you're a productive person and you're

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giving people a blueprint of how you could be successful and get out of the grit.

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You just did that.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like, and my question to you is coming from where you from, I get it.

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But that moment where you knew that wrestling took you somewhere, what was that moment that

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you said, damn, all that shit that that fuck with me for years, I made it.

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And I'm curious what that moment was where you felt you made it.

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Um,

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that's a great question because I've been able to do a lot of cool things.

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But in my mind, I haven't made it yet.

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Um, and it's because I'm not the ring of honor world champion.

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I'm not the number one guy I am not the go to.

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I am not the top of the marquee that to me.

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Once I reached that mountaintop that only one other person like myself, not your physical

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right now.

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Exactly.

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One other person like myself has ever made the history I'm trying to make.

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And that's Jay lethal until I'm able to do that.

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I haven't made it.

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And even probably after that, I haven't made it because then I have to go about the business

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of proving why I'm the guy, right?

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Of showing the entire world, every wrestling company, every wrestling fan, every CEO, every

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whoever, why I am undoubtedly the baddest dude in the sport.

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Um, and to be able to have that goal and more importantly be an African-American male in

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this sport, given its history and doing it my way, the way I want to do it, the way I

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think it should be done being as loud and as opinionated as I am.

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That to me will truly be when I fulfill my potential, when I shatter that glass ceiling,

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when I submit my legacy is to be able to be that top guy, have that run and do exactly

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what I said I was capable of doing.

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It's funny you should say that shattering glass, right?

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Because when I first came across you and I seen the attitude, the just the hard hitting,

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just the way you were, I was like, this is a guy that, he's felt it, he's lived, no

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struggles growing up in that sort of way.

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Now I mean, I've been a wrestling fan for 38 years, 38 years and I've seen people come

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and go.

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Now, I think my homie here will say to you, I love heels.

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I love heels man.

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You can stick your faces up your ass.

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I'm interested in that and I'm not really interested in this created.

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This is what we've got for you right now.

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Don't interest me.

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I mean, you're as real as they come.

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You know, so I mean, when I see you in a ring and I see you telling someone what is going

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to happen.

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I'm like, oh shit.

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Here we go.

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That's the funny thing about it too, right?

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Is so many people who know me from wrestling, look at how I am outside of it and then look

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at how I perform and they go, oh, it's like you're two different people.

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And I go, no, the person you see in the ring is the closest to my real personality that

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you're going to see.

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Everything else outside of that is business.

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Everything else outside of that is me setting up the foundation and the future for my kids.

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You know what I mean?

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This is how I build my empire to be able to pass to them.

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This is a part of the job.

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What you see when I'm in the ring, I get to turn all that off.

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I get to turn every filter off.

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I get to turn every worry off except beating the person's ass that's in front of me.

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That's how I grew up.

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So that's naturally where my mind goes.

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So the easiest part of this job and the part that I get to closest be myself is when I'm

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in the ring.

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So what people see when I'm out there is me.

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That's why I think it resonates so well with people that come from the backgrounds that

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I come from because they know that mentality.

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They know those looks.

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They know those mannerisms.

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They know when the mood changes in a flight or when you're talking to somebody and they

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say the wrong thing and you look over there and go, oh, yeah, he didn't fuck up.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, no.

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It's organic.

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It's organic.

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What you like.

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That's the one thing that I try to tell people where a lot of wrestling fans don't understand

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the separation of wrestling and gimmicks.

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And then you've got people who come in and you know where they're from.

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You know what I mean?

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Like, like these guys like the low keys or Santana or tease, you know what they about

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the Kingston's with you.

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It's the exact same feel and people think, wow, this guy really worked on his gimmick.

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No, this is him.

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Like this.

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And I'm telling you now, if you wasn't who I thought you was because I didn't know, you

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know, until you could talk to you, you know, whatever.

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But if I didn't know this, I would have been like, nah, man, I can't mess with this guy

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because I don't even talk to people I enjoy, you know, who I like watching and everything

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that people don't even understand the work you walk in with.

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You know what I mean?

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Like that, that street bop that you got, people don't get it.

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They just think it's a walk in.

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Nah, this is who you are.

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Like, and I like, I think you were the guy back in the days because you're a big dude.

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The other one like, Hey, yo, we got beef over here.

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You know what?

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Let's go call up Shane to grab a few dudes up, you know, because he could, you know, he

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could fight all four guys.

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So now let me ask you, because I'm a big hip hop head.

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Right.

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Are you a hip hop guy?

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I am.

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And this and I'm, yeah, give me one second here.

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You got to feed the baby.

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I'm curious because leave lens.

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Hey, family man.

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This is what it is for real life.

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Oh man, I dig that.

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I dig that.

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Like people think like, Oh, you know, you're doing this and that life must be like this,

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man.

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This is every day.

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I live no differently than anybody else.

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I just have, you know, some extra commas in my back account.

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But hip hop.

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Yes.

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I, I as a person, right?

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I'm usually behind when it comes to music, right?

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I'm the guy that while I love hip hop, you know what I mean?

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I'm always the guy that like a year after a song is popular.

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I'm like, Hey, did y'all hear this?

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And they're like, yeah.

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That's where I fall at.

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Right.

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So a lot of the newer stuff.

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I don't really catch on.

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Not because man, these, man, these new cats, I just, I can't keep up with it.

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You know what I mean?

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I don't have a lot of weight till something catches me and then I roll with that.

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But you know, lately as I've been seeing sort of the trajectory of hip hop and learning

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more about myself, culture, different things.

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And there's a whole rabbit hole of stuff that we can get down the more I feel as though

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hip hop needs a reset.

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It needs something to get back to the original feeling of what it was supposed to be.

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Because now it's this like corporately pushed.

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Okay.

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It was a struggle, wasn't it?

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Yeah, man.

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It was a struggle.

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Right.

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It seems more like a tool to keep the status quo going than it is about art.

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So when you say a reset, are you talking like Curtis blow and them or are you talking like

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the Nas, the jiggers and like whatever are we talking about taking a reset?

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So yeah, I'm talking about like back in the New York, you know, back in the New York ciphers,

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that type stuff like that, those that that tallib quality feel that most that, you know,

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getting back to the essence of what this, this was supposed to be.

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And they're large.

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And you take a look at the commercial power and the pop culture influence that hip hop

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has imagined, right?

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Imagine if it wasn't about creating haters around you, glorifying every destructive aspect

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of the culture and instead promoted unity, promoted consciousness, promoted business

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acumen, promoted things that uplifted the community, imagine where things would be if

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hip hop stayed in that direction.

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Thanks.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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So to me, that's what I think about when I think about hip, when I think about hip hop,

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and now that as I'm getting older, what I try to listen to, what I make sure my girls

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hear me listening to, you know what I mean?

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Because I'm setting that first example.

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You know what I mean?

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Absolutely.

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I had this and she's pulling out every noisy toy that she can find.

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My poor butcher.

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I took us into a different direction.

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What you got for him?

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So I'm listening.

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I'm not sure butcher looks like he got frozen over there.

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So like when it comes to hip hop and when you said that, I was like, damn, the first

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thing that made me think of it, and I'm a little older than you are was when Queen Latifa

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did that you and I T Y joint.

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Right.

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And it's like if more people and I'm not saying everything got to be a positive, but at this

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point, the message has to be real clear.

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You know what I mean?

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And we do got to come together.

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What was the first title that you won that made you say, you know, Shane Taylor's in

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the fucking building?

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It was the ROH TV title.

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You know what I mean?

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Up until that point, there had only been two other African American males to win it, which

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would be Kenny King and Jay Lethal.

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And then you have me, you know, and I remember that night after I won 90% of the crowd was

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standing there shocked.

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Some were booing.

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Some had, you know, miles all open.

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And I looked to the back and there was about 30 maybe 35 fans there in Toronto who happened

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to be black and they were just absolutely losing their mind.

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And it wasn't until that moment that I realized what I had done and the sort of inspiration

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that I could bring.

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You know what I mean?

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And what I always knew.

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What I was going to represent, it didn't hit me until right at that moment exactly how

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I could inspire people.

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You know what I mean?

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So at that moment, once I had that and I saw the reaction and I raised that title, that's

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when I was like, okay, now we're we're starting to get to where we need to be in order to

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leave the sort of legacy that I want to leave.

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Okay.

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See?

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And that's the answers I love here.

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You know what I mean?

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Like also, now I know you're a boxing guy.

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We can touch on that with a second.

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But I did hear that you're about to start a wrestling show.

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Like I don't know if it's real, but I heard that you're going to be a promoter for a wrestling

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show.

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I'm going to be a promoter for a wrestling show.

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Yeah.

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That's like something that some random we put on our Facebook page.

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Oh, like we're going to talk to somebody like St. Taylor and they were like, oh, he's

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going to be a wrestling promoter and I was like, get out of here.

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I was like, I've never heard of none of that.

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No, no, most of my business stuff I play pretty close to the vest.

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There's a lot of things that I want to do, but promoting wrestling is not one of them.

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There's a lot of stress that goes in that goes into that.

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I'm more of someone who would rather work creatively with people than run my own wrestling

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promotion.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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The things that I do now with St. Taylor promotions is about promoting talent, not promoting a

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wrestling company.

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You know what I mean?

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So that's what this is about.

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St. Taylor promotions is about giving people keys to success, keys to merchandising, keys

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to building your own brand, keys to creating your own spot, no matter where it is you're

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at in the wrestling world.

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That way, when it comes to these business to business talks that you have with companies,

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because that's what they are, it's a business talking to an independent contractor, another

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business, and when you sit down at these negotiation tables, if you can build your own spot, secure

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your own brand, when they come to you instead of the other way around, you now have leverage

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in this talk.

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It's no longer, hey, well, you're lucky to be here, so we can just tell you any number

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and you better take it because there's a million people behind you who wish they had this.

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You're going, no.

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You called me for a reason.

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I'm sitting here for a reason.

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That reason is to be able to, for you to utilize my talent and for me to have your platform.

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That's what this is.

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So that's what St. Taylor promotions is all about, finding people of like-minded individuals

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with like minds and showing them how to do that and create that no matter where they're

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at in the sport.

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That's what's up.

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Puts a welcome back, my brother.

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First thing I said to my son was, if you're going to borrow my laptop this morning, if

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anything pops up, click OK.

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Click OK.

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So update for Skype.

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Oh, cancel that.

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I just popped my head in his door.

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I said, you know what's going to be funny in about 10 minutes?

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He said, well, I said, when your route of resets.

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Right.

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Why would I do it?

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You just messed up the interview with Shane Taylor.

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Oh, man.

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It's been going through.

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I've been running.

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I've been running, trying to turn off the noisiest toys that my, that my baby has, but she's

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playing them.

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I've been like, man, every possible toy.

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Listen, kids are a blessing.

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Oh, 100.

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Kids are a blessing, man.

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100.

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What's your got?

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What's your got for the big homie, baby?

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Well, 2007, you debuted on the Indies.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Now I can't find a lot of stuff on you in the Indies.

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Go to your wiki.

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It's like a big red writing.

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It's like, no, you can't see it.

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I found a few things.

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But I know you were trained by one Raymond Rowe.

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Yeah.

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Tell me a bit about Raymond Rowe because I hate the Vikings.

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I love war machine, but I hate the Vikings.

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I mean, it's, it's, it's the same guys, man.

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Like, I could literally talk for days about Ray Rowe, about what he's meant to me, to

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my career, my family, our families couldn't be closer.

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I mean, you're talking about a guy, you know, blood couldn't make blood couldn't make us

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any closer.

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You know what I mean?

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He's the Godfather to my kids, my, my, my big brother, trainer, rival, friend.

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He is responsible for me being in this sport.

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You know what I mean?

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It's a man to think about everything he's done for me and the sacrifices he's made

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when he didn't have to.

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You know what I mean, because a lot, a lot of people will call you brother in this sport

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or try to be friendly.

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And there are very few real people, real genuine people that you find, right?

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So to be able to have a guy like that who was already making his name in Cleveland and

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brought me with him, you know what I mean?

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Was moved down to Texas, brought me with him.

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You know what I mean?

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He went to Ring of Honor, brought me with him.

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You know what I mean?

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You're talking about a guy who they would say, hey, we can fly you from Houston to Nashville.

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And he said, no, I'll drive the 18 plus hours because I'm going to ride with Shane and hopefully

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I get an opportunity to show them what I can do.

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That's the kind of guy he is.

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So you know, my hope and all I've ever wanted to do since I got into the sport was make

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him look like Nashtradamus when he told people about me for them to go, damn, he is every

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bit as good, if not better than you advertised and sit back and watch the grin that he gets

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on his face that that cheesy rose smile where you can't see their eyes.

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It's a weird one, you know, because I've seen interviews with the guy.

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Yeah.

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You know, I've seen him and Hanson backstage and the way the way they do things in a WWE

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and I see him having fun with the other guys.

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And then like I said, I came across them as war machine.

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Right.

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And like you say, no facial expression is still and you watch them just do their business.

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And I don't think I've ever seen a tag team so intense.

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Man, they're hard hitting.

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They are just strong style.

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And everywhere they've gone, they fit exactly where they needed to be.

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Right.

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In ROH, they fit in perfectly to the tag team spots that they were in matches with the briskos

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matches with weather matches with me and Keith Lee.

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You know, they're they're incredible.

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Right.

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And then you see their run in New Japan.

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Right.

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And from all the intensive purposes, the stories that I've been told that wasn't necessarily

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them going to Japan wasn't necessarily supposed to happen.

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It ended up happening and look at what they did with it.

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You know what I mean?

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They made the most out of that opportunity.

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And that's what they do.

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You know what I mean?

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They're one of the best tag teams I've ever seen.

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They're one of the most dominant tag teams, I think, in at least the last decade plus

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that we've seen.

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I would say that.

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I would say that I was gutted when they went to WWE.

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I was.

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I was really gutted because I think not particularly for them because I think, you know, if the

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pay is good, then they should go and get it, you know, and things like that.

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But I think when I was watching them, obviously, go through ROH to New Japan, I just felt that

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them to then two promotions solidify do they work?

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You know, the hard hitting in New Japan.

481
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Right.

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But the thing about that is the companies don't solidify who they are, right?

483
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They solidify who they are, right?

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So any style that they have, they can translate to any company.

485
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Right, but when you're talking about WWE for them, I think they reached a point in their

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careers where they had checked every box.

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They done everything.

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You know what I mean?

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Like it would have been great to have them in ROH for another 10 years or whatever the

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case may be.

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But they've been there.

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00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,480
They've done that.

493
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,080
And both Ray and Todd are both very goal oriented guys.

494
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,240
So they look across the landscape and go, okay.

495
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,440
We've won everything there is to win, except over here.

496
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,760
It's like full circle, isn't it?

497
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:13,760
Absolutely.

498
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,760
They're coming back home.

499
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,040
You know what I mean?

500
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,560
It's going, hey, there's this one last mountain that we have to climb.

501
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,560
Let's go climb it.

502
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,560
And they did.

503
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,360
You know what I mean?

504
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:28,360
So I got a question.

505
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:34,360
Yeah, man, I got a question because I'm more curious on when do we get a block bully faction

506
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:38,640
from Shane Taylor, bringing in a bunch of street guys and just running over people?

507
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:44,280
I want, I want like a, not a gang culture, but I want a bully like, but it's got to feel

508
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,240
like it's from the block.

509
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,720
And I really want that so bad.

510
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,400
And I think that the other guy who could not only cut a promo on talk, but you'll mean

511
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,400
dude.

512
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,560
And I think it'll look official.

513
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,280
So when do we get a block bully faction?

514
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,720
That's the West.

515
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,600
I mean, here, here, here.

516
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,560
Here's the thing, right?

517
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:13,400
We're going to have, there, there are different elements to STP, right?

518
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:19,680
There is that element because that's where most of us are from, but we're also all college

519
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,760
educated men.

520
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,760
We're all intelligent.

521
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,520
We're all, we all have, you know, we all have a savvy business acumen.

522
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:38,600
We all have grown and progressed to the point where it's not being from the block isn't

523
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:39,600
scary.

524
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:47,120
And it's not scary because people assume that's who you are already, right?

525
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,120
That doesn't scare them.

526
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:54,040
They know how to handle you in that frame of reference from that perspective.

527
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,920
What's scary is guys like Jay-Z now.

528
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:03,920
What's scary is guys like Diddy now who have money, who have power, who have influence,

529
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,760
who are able to move the masses with their words.

530
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:13,280
Those guys are scary now because those are guys that you have to be on a level playing

531
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,280
field with.

532
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,280
You can't put them in a box.

533
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,960
You can't say, Hey, these guys are from the block.

534
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,960
So they're here.

535
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,720
No, you have to look at them as peers.

536
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,640
You have to look at them as a threat because that's what they are, right?

537
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,200
They're a threat to the status quo.

538
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:36,280
So for me, I think in, again, going back to the same message that I'm trying to deliver

539
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:45,200
and my argument with where hip, where hip hop is, I have to look at who's watching us.

540
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:51,600
Not only my peers, not only my contemporaries, but the generations after us, what are they

541
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,600
seeing?

542
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,600
Right?

543
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,160
I want them to know that we're from where you're from.

544
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,920
And there's nothing wrong with being from there, but you don't have to stay there.

545
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,840
You don't have to have the same mentality.

546
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,520
I think it should shift.

547
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,520
Right?

548
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,800
Now, when it comes time to getting down and doing what we got to do, that's always going

549
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,480
to be there because that's who we are.

550
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,680
You know what I mean?

551
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:23,760
But to establish that growth, to establish that path, I think is the primary concern and

552
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:24,760
responsibility.

553
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:25,760
I couldn't.

554
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,760
You know what?

555
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,880
I don't even want the BlockBully group no more.

556
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,880
What he just said was absolutely phenomenal.

557
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,520
That was some real freaking gems out there.

558
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,240
You know what I'm saying?

559
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,440
Real talk, that was fly right there.

560
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,560
I want to know.

561
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,560
Do you pronounce it Khan?

562
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:46,560
Yeah.

563
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:47,560
Khan and Moses.

564
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:54,240
Who came up with SOS and these two?

565
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,920
I look at these and I'm like, holy shit, man.

566
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,960
These two look bad.

567
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:04,280
I saw them in Maryland.

568
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,280
They had already come up with the name.

569
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,320
They were already doing their thing.

570
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:16,640
I saw them at Maryland Championship Wrestling, Ron Hunt pointed them out to me.

571
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,360
Saw them at the ROH Dojo.

572
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:28,360
For me, I knew especially after I had left the rebellion, I had been mentored by Kenny

573
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,360
King and Rhett Titus and Caprice Coleman.

574
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:37,640
I knew the next step, the next evolution in my career and how I was going to grow was

575
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:43,080
to be able to do for somebody else what they did for me.

576
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,720
You know what I'm saying?

577
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:52,480
Once I started to take those steps, I'm like, okay, this sport is a numbers game.

578
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:58,520
You have to have the numbers on your side, but synergy is everything when you talk about

579
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,200
building a championship team.

580
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,920
That's how I see STP.

581
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:08,480
I don't see this as guys who work for me or me being better than them or anything like

582
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,480
that.

583
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,480
This is my team.

584
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,120
I just happen to be the quarterback of the team.

585
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:22,200
When it comes to having guys like that who have similar goals, not only career goals,

586
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,200
but outside of the ring when dealing with the community, understanding how they want

587
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,600
to represent themselves, who they want to be seen as, what they want to build their

588
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:37,880
legacies to be, all of that stuff is very important when you're building a team to have

589
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:44,360
not only similar short-term goals, but long-term goals.

590
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,880
That's what I saw in them as well as being immensely talented.

591
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,720
I'd been saying it for almost a year.

592
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:57,400
Then finally, I was able to make that plan come together.

593
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:06,600
We walk out in Columbus ready to rock and roll and immediately put the ROH roster and

594
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,960
the rest of the wrestling world on notice.

595
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:15,680
Then fast forward one year later, they went from being guys at the dojo that people knew

596
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:22,000
were talented, but they didn't know what to do with, to guys that now everybody is damn

597
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:29,680
near universally recognizing as the future of the ROH tag team roster.

598
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,160
They should be because that's exactly how good they are.

599
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,760
I think they're real.

600
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:42,720
I watched you all walk out in them, the jackets, and I was like, oh, shit.

601
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:44,240
It was a powerful move.

602
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:46,120
That was a powerful move.

603
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,120
I was like, wow.

604
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,880
I ain't seen anything like this in wrestling in a while.

605
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:58,360
It was weird because it was funny because I was saying to others, I've been working

606
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:04,440
with Rob for a few months and with the last people I worked with, I was saying that for

607
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,760
a while, we really need a group.

608
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,560
We've got the new day over here.

609
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,160
No, I don't like the new day.

610
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,440
I don't even like it.

611
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:21,880
When I want a more kind of, you can relate to us type of thing, and that is the kind

612
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,200
of like the way you put yourselves across to me.

613
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:30,680
I was like, wow, this is kind of like heartfelt, light felt, you know, we're from this place

614
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,600
and we're going to make everyone's life miserable until we get what we want.

615
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,640
I mean, and that's the thing, right?

616
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:46,840
Like where I'm from, the nice guy stuff doesn't work.

617
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:47,840
You know what I mean?

618
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,920
It simply just doesn't.

619
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,520
If you're nice, people think you're soft.

620
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,560
If people think you're soft, they think you're weak.

621
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,760
If they think you're weak, they try to get over on you, right?

622
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,080
And in a lot of cases, that means you're getting robbed.

623
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,920
You know what I mean?

624
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,920
Or you die.

625
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:10,920
You know what I mean?

626
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,800
Like it's none of those options are good.

627
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,160
So where I'm from, you have to make your point clear.

628
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:24,240
You have to make your point often, and you have to make your point with as much sincerity

629
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,640
and as much intensity as possible, right?

630
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,640
Because you have to let people know from the gate, this is not going to be something that

631
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,360
they want to mess with, right?

632
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,200
So that's what we did, you know?

633
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,840
And we took some of those aspects that we just talked about, that bully block mentality.

634
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:48,280
We took some of that and applied it to who we are now and transition that into wrestling.

635
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,680
Because again, this is business, right?

636
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:56,040
So my thing has always been, okay, this is a dirty game.

637
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,640
But I'm going to learn the rules of the game.

638
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,280
I'm going to master the rules of the game.

639
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,600
I'm going to play the game better than you.

640
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,960
I'm going to make those rules work for me.

641
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,400
I'm going to change the game, and then I'm going to make the rules.

642
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:16,280
So you basically, you're playing chess while the other people are playing checkers.

643
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,440
I think a lot of people are trying to play chess.

644
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,480
I'm just trying to be a grandmaster at the game.

645
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,480
You know what I mean?

646
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,440
Like we can both be playing chess.

647
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,840
I'm just going to play chess way better than you.

648
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:28,840
Yeah, yeah.

649
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:36,680
And I think that's the dopest part of it is, like me, obviously, like I said, I'm older

650
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:37,680
than you.

651
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,400
So I want to watch on TV something that brings me back home.

652
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,400
You know what I mean?

653
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,080
Like I don't have, listen, I got two kids once in college with the wife, 21 years, like

654
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,680
I'm going to older G you're ready.

655
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:54,160
But like I enjoy watching home, you're home, you represent home.

656
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,720
So I was like, man, I'm really going to dig this guy and have him talk his shit.

657
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:04,640
So when you started talking about changing the game and then being a boss, I think that's

658
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,280
the dopest part about this is you're saying, yeah, I've been through that.

659
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,280
You know what I mean?

660
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,760
Like, and you do know, you know, back in the days where if you looked at somebody and you

661
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,400
caught a nice girl real quick, it's on a pop it.

662
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,040
But right at this point in life, you talking about starting your own promotion stuff, helping

663
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,000
people out in business, you know what I mean?

664
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Your focus.

665
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,000
Right.

666
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,040
You're 10 steps ahead of people and I think that's freaking phenomenal.

667
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,080
Like real talk, I salute you on some real shit.

668
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,040
No, no podcast gimmick stuff.

669
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,240
Like everything you're doing, I think is nothing short of amazing.

670
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:39,240
It's looking after life.

671
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:40,240
Yeah.

672
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:41,600
Think about it.

673
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:42,600
He's winning.

674
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,600
Like people like St. Taylor don't win.

675
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:46,600
They don't.

676
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:47,600
You know what I mean?

677
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,520
Like it's it's such a small number and I don't want to use the word statistic, but that's

678
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,720
what it is.

679
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,400
And right now we're talking to a guy who we're watching on TV.

680
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,920
We're talking to a guy who's strapped up.

681
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,280
We're talking to a guy who's doing his thing and starting his own businesses.

682
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,280
Like we're talking to a man that's beaten every challenge and they're still going to

683
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,560
be Roblox and he's still going to knock them down.

684
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:10,840
And I think that's so sick.

685
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,640
Like on some real shit that's it is fire.

686
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:14,640
Amen.

687
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,040
I that that means the world to me.

688
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,040
You know what I mean?

689
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,600
And that's that's all I wanted to do because a lot of people, right?

690
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:27,400
And I've heard this from a million different people and they all have every right to think

691
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:33,000
this way and they say, you know, wrestling is supposed to provide an escape for fans,

692
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,160
right?

693
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,000
And that's true in a lot of aspects.

694
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:46,920
But when I think about every demographic of fans, right, especially from where I'm from,

695
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,920
we don't get to escape anything.

696
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,920
At the end of the day, at the end of that two hours, we're still back in the same stuff

697
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,640
that we were in when this came on, right?

698
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,000
There really is no escape.

699
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,440
And especially when you're an athlete, an African American athlete in the sport, there

700
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,880
really is no escape because now you're dealing with it 24 seven.

701
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:13,040
So for my thing was I don't want to provide an escape.

702
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,320
I want to provide inspiration.

703
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,760
I want you to know that I know exactly what it is that you're going through because I've

704
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:20,760
been there.

705
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:21,760
I've seen it.

706
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,000
I've done it.

707
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:28,800
And while you're watching me, you can see yourself overcoming everything that I'm overcoming.

708
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,360
You know what I mean?

709
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:37,920
And if that allows even one kid, even one of my peers, anybody who's older to get through

710
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,640
one of their issues because they saw me do it, then that's that.

711
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,040
Then I've done my job.

712
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,760
It's not about providing an escape, at least in my opinion.

713
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,640
For me, it's about providing hope.

714
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,240
And that's what I'm trying to do.

715
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:57,240
That's what we are all collectively trying to do.

716
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:02,520
And again, like you said, there's going to be a million roadblocks still that we still

717
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,720
have to crash through.

718
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:09,280
And with me and my guys, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.

719
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,680
So we're going through everything.

720
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,480
I don't even know how to ask any more questions after that.

721
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:28,560
I just want to know two years, two years between 2017 and 2019, that elusive television title

722
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,480
evading you for so long.

723
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:39,840
And then one of the worlds, I seen the way that that match was put up on the card and

724
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:46,280
I was like, holy shit, dude, this is going to be smashed from out.

725
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,480
We got Shane Taylor, we got Goat, we got Jeff Cobb.

726
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,960
And I'm like, oh my God.

727
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,360
I was just, I'm like, he's going to come out with the bells.

728
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,360
Man.

729
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,760
I have a journey like that.

730
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,520
And I have some of the people you went up against.

731
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,040
And I was like, please God.

732
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:13,680
Man, and the thing is coming off both losses to Cobb, right?

733
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:19,400
And really, I feel like ROH didn't want me to have another shot, but I had been running

734
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,840
my mouth for so long that they were like, okay, shut up, we'll give you the shot.

735
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,160
Just don't say anything else.

736
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,160
You know what I mean?

737
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,760
Like just shut up.

738
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,600
But that's all, I mean, it's all a part of the plan.

739
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,600
You know what I mean?

740
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,160
Like, I knew, okay.

741
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,280
If I want to get this done, I'm going to have to be strategic.

742
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:45,400
I'm going to have to be as, you know, just as intelligent as I am violent.

743
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:51,000
So you watch the match go, you look for your spot, you look for your opening, you capitalize,

744
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,520
boom, new TV champion.

745
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,600
I make history, you know, in a match with, you know, three of the best performers in

746
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,600
the world.

747
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,600
I mean, most of them are 100%.

748
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:03,600
100%.

749
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:04,600
100%.

750
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:10,520
And, you know, I mean, and that again, and the crazy thing is I've lost singles matches

751
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,040
to each of those three guys.

752
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,040
Yeah.

753
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,120
But somehow we were all in a ring together and I came out on top, you know what I mean?

754
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,480
So that just goes to show, you know what I mean?

755
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:25,680
On any given day, as long as you put the plan in, this is what I tried to do now.

756
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:31,080
I mean, I could say 40 year old man, watched wrestling, you know, 38 years.

757
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,080
Right.

758
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:38,720
And I think the last 15 years, I've taken a completely different direction in wrestling

759
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:43,200
from watching, you know, only WWE, WCW.

760
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:52,760
And I literally just ventured away from all that I knew into places that I was just unknown

761
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:58,600
to, you know, our awaits have been watching since 2004.

762
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,640
Coming in and out mostly because of, you know, we couldn't get it in the UK.

763
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,000
We had to rely on certain channels to get it.

764
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,400
New Japan was relatively new to me.

765
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,120
2010, I started watching that.

766
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,680
But it opened so many avenues.

767
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:22,920
And, you know, your mindset just changed, you know, these big giants over here.

768
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,880
That doesn't represent just wrestling.

769
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:28,880
Right.

770
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:34,920
There is so much to them letters and that name.

771
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:40,680
And, you know, I think all I've got to say is, you know, is really thank you to people

772
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,760
like you, you know, and that is it in a nutshell.

773
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:51,000
You know, when I see people like you and, you know, be a Brodie Kings, you know, Rick

774
00:44:51,000 --> 00:45:00,240
Kings, Mark Haskins, it just kind of like makes you just go, wow, you know, you don't

775
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:07,880
have to be John Cena, you know, and I've all this big money put behind you to actually

776
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:13,000
stand out, you know, I mean, it's it's it's that.

777
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,000
But I mean, let's, Cena's put in work, man.

778
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,560
You know what I mean, so let's let's not, and I'm not saying you are, but to anybody

779
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:31,440
that like tries to discredit what he's like, he put in work and earned the machine doing

780
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:36,520
what they did, but that's 99% him, you know what I mean?

781
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:42,800
But, you know, I mean, I what I love most about ROH is kind of what you just hit on,

782
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:43,800
right?

783
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:50,720
I love that spirit of professional wrestling that there is more out there than just one

784
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:52,960
big company, right?

785
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,800
And there was and there is a lot of pride, especially when people like to talk about

786
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:03,640
the golden era of of ROH and you're talking about your Danielsons, your Joe's, your punks,

787
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,080
your McGinnises, all these guys, right?

788
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:14,800
There was a era of sort of rebellion with with them with the fan base to go, look, y'all

789
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,800
may be the biggest names, but we're the best wrestlers.

790
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:18,800
Yeah.

791
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:25,320
I mean, we, regardless of size, body type gear, move set, whatever it is you want to

792
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,600
judge wrestling on.

793
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,920
A lot of times if you were Ring of Honor World Champion, you were synonymous with being the

794
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,640
best wrestler in the world.

795
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,640
That's it.

796
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:37,640
Yeah.

797
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:38,640
Yeah.

798
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:44,040
And for me and a lot of the guys now and the ladies as well, that's what we are striving

799
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,320
to get back to.

800
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:54,480
And for me, I think I embody that spirit because I'm all for I'm all for growing the company.

801
00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:00,480
I'm all for it being as big as it can possibly be as long as we stick to the essence of who

802
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:07,800
we are and we keep the soul of what we are, and that is to continue to be that rebellious

803
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:13,400
group that knows that we put out the very best product possible, put on the best shows

804
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,160
possible.

805
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,720
And I would argue again, you could take any company's top 10.

806
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:24,560
I don't care who it is, line them up with our top 10 in the ring or out of it.

807
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,200
And we're the best.

808
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,200
You know what I mean?

809
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:29,200
So, yeah.

810
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:34,080
Like that's so, so thank you guys for continuing to support us.

811
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:41,160
Thank you guys for, you know, reaching out to guys like myself and and and allowing us

812
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,920
to have these platforms to speak to you guys and get the messages out that we want to get

813
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,840
out.

814
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,240
Because that's that's that's what this is all for, man.

815
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:55,520
You know, I mean, we all work collectively together to help build something that people

816
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:01,760
can, you know, use to get through their day and just trying to help, you know what I

817
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:02,760
mean?

818
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:03,840
Shane Till, man.

819
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,040
I know for Butch, for myself, for everyone listening, man, we want to say thank you for

820
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,040
your time.

821
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,040
True.

822
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,540
I mean, real talk.

823
00:48:11,540 --> 00:48:15,920
This to me was probably one of the dopest interviews I've ever been a part of.

824
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,800
And your message is such a special point of it.

825
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,880
Is there any please plug social media is how they can find your promotion stuff like so

826
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,040
we can get up out of here, but have all your stuff done right?

827
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,840
Yeah, man.

828
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:37,120
Twitter and Instagram at Shane to one six Taylor Facebook dot com slash notorious Shane

829
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,120
Taylor.

830
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:45,120
If everybody's if anybody's in the merch buying mood, I know it's been a crazy 20 20 and the

831
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,240
New Year's not any easier.

832
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:54,800
Go wrestling tease dot com slash Shane Taylor or our wrestling dot com.

833
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,480
Check out the Merchant Dye Store plenty of great merch there.

834
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:04,240
Shane Taylor stuff, Shane Taylor promotion stuff, soldiers of savagery stuff, all kind

835
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:05,680
of great stuff there.

836
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:10,600
Again, it's been an incredible 13 years that I've been doing this so far.

837
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,280
Looking forward to, you know, another 10 20 more knows.

838
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,880
But just thank you, thank you, you're going that way, you're going all I'm looking forward

839
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,280
to is our ways bringing their asses back to the UK.

840
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,280
Amen.

841
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,280
We're trying.

842
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,280
We're trying.

843
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,280
We're trying.

844
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,280
We're trying.

845
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,280
With the front row with the biggest banner.

846
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,280
It's coming.

847
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:39,280
Hopefully I'm hopefully I'm hopefully I'm carrying that world title when we do.

848
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,920
Yes, you will be.

849
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,920
2021, last the last and Shane Taylor.

850
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:46,920
Yes, sir.

851
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:53,280
Ladies and gentlemen for myself, the champion, the baddest heel in the business.

852
00:49:53,280 --> 00:50:13,560
We out of here one.

