What's good everyone, we are back New Year, first show of the New Year.
We are back with a big show, MLW looking to start the year off in a big way with Kings
of Coliseum.
That was January 6th at the time of this recording, it was the previous Saturday.
And we got a bunch of stuff to cover on there.
So in the meanwhile, of course, I did introduce people because I'm rusty at this stuff.
I'm Rob Cammer, host of the MLW Confusion podcast with me, the Augurary of Odd Lane
Sign, Muffins Martinez.
Muffins how are you doing?
First of all, I don't even know what that word is.
The first word you said, I've never heard of before.
So hopefully something great because I'm not going to have to look it up later.
Breaking out with the source this week.
Yes, or dictionary or something.
I have no idea how to even spell it.
I might have to stop making something up and figure that out.
There it goes.
Take notes.
Everybody take notes.
Not only are you going to get the wrestling knowledge, you're going to get some verbal
words in there as well.
But this is a wrestling podcast, not a literary podcast.
So Kings of Coliseum, that is like the only news, like really the only thing MLW has done
in the last two weeks.
And looks like they're going bi-weekly now instead of having a fusion every week.
So I'm seeing is like going to be like every other Saturday.
Yeah, that's weekly stuff on Thriller and then whatever the tapings that they before
and after the pay-per-view, that'll be the free show on YouTube on unbeen sports.
So yeah, I'm curious, curious about that move.
Like I personally, I'm not a fan of it.
Like I think it's harder to sustain momentum that way, especially for a company the size
of MLW.
You do kind of need to have that constant wheel of promotion, especially for the bigger
shows.
And to be honest, MLW isn't always good at sustaining momentum when they're not on air.
Like they have this nasty tendency to take their off seasons very seriously.
And do like the barest of bare minimums when they're not in the air.
But I don't know, that's just me, it works for them great.
But I mean, it's all on YouTube, well, outside of the being Thriller stuff or not the being
of the fight TV, Thriller stuff.
Yeah, whatever.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens.
Like you said, momentum, you know, every, bi-weekly every two weeks.
I don't know, man, but you know, hopefully this is just something temporary.
And now hopefully, you know, after May, June, don't go back to some weekly stuff.
But now that I say it looks like maybe like bi-weekly stuff.
So, yeah.
And as always, if you ask court, he has something cooking.
So I have something, something maybe cooking.
Maybe they're going to do a soft brand split because we do have the return of Azteca in
May.
So maybe, you know, maybe that's going to have something to do with it or they're just
going to do what they usually do and just alternate TV show names.
So Fusion, Underground, Azteca, and then you know, go back and forth.
But really, as I said, like the big thing about this week has been the kings of Coliseum.
So let's jump right in.
The show opens with the six man tag, Trio's action, if you will.
What do you think about this year match, Muffins?
Love it.
Car crash inside the ring.
Everybody flying from left to right.
It looks smooth and look great.
It was an amazing car crash.
And you know, with the youth, they're really getting pushed since the last two shows that
they've been there.
So I can't wait till they get their title match whenever that happens.
But I really enjoyed this match and it was a good opener to get things going.
When I saw this match, I was thinking to myself, man, this show is going to be crazy.
Didn't happen that way.
So you know, a lot of matches kind of underwhelmed for me, but this match definitely got me excited
for the rest of the night.
And I was the right team one, where the youth is getting pushed.
I like that youth movement that they're pushing now, where a lot of guys that, you know, we
didn't know a couple of months ago.
So I'm definitely looking forward to see how this progressing with a lot of these young
guys coming in.
Yeah, I agree.
This is a textbook opening contest, something to get the plug go and get you excited for
the rest of the show.
Yeah, as you said, like I think overall, I think the right team one, because they are
pushing wasted youth.
And if you're going to have it's not a good look to have your number one contenders take
a fall, even if this is not like a, you know, a regular tag team match.
I did think, you know, a couple of things were rather interesting.
One is this, they finally are really kind of putting over Alec Price on commentary.
They routinely referred to him as having several viral moments within the match.
And let's, I mean, let's face it that like double stomp into tornado DDT was like nifty
site to behold.
But yeah, so commentary put over price pretty hard in addition to obviously wasted youth
having the match.
The only thing that's slightly disappointed me and this, I mean, this is one of those
like cases where regardless of my opinion, there's no winner within it because, but I
would have liked, but I think the team of Depp and Crawford and McCoy kind of need
to win that like just in general, just to really kind of cement that they are a dastardly
team to beat.
But again, like, but it shouldn't come to that the expense of wasted youth.
So what are you going to do there?
Actually like the fallout for this, like I'm actually really interested to see where things
go in terms of the tag team titles, the situation here, just because wasted youth in ring wasted
youth are like the is like the exact opposite of whatever incarnation of the second year
crew we're going to see, which assuming assuming it's the SCG or SGC, excuse me, that are getting
that are holding the belts when we wasted youth wasted youth cash in.
But like I'm curious to see how that match will play out because the crew are just big
brawler dudes.
Like, yes, justice takes to the air, but like his air is pretty rudimentary.
Like he just gets up top and just falls on you.
I mean, okay, he's a bit more graceful than that.
But like he's not doing a moonsault.
He's not doing 450s.
He's dropping elbows.
He's doing body presses that sort of like they are not innovators of offense.
They are just the batch of ugly dudes who are just going to beat you up.
And I'm not saying this match is going to be bad.
Like actually, as they like to throw out in MLW styles make fights.
So this is interesting.
I'll have to dig it up.
I didn't do extra research for this really.
But I'm curious because I want I think at least manders has some history with wasted
youth, but I'll have to look look that up just because they're both Northeast guys now.
But no, it was a great like it was a great match to get the crowd going.
Start the night off hot.
Yeah, no complaints there.
So you said the right guys won.
And yeah, that's that's I think covered kind of like all we need about that.
You're going to be wrong.
I don't know.
Next, going down my list.
Oh, things about the next thing we really need to talk about is the next next match,
which happens to be the featherweight championship match.
I from a sow of TJPW in Japan takes on promotion is Doradas.
Jenae Kai with Selena de la Renta.
This match, I'm not as harsh of this match as some people have been.
I thought it was a perfectly serviceable match.
But like for me, like the real like let down overall for it was just kind of we'll say
the booking of the featherweights in general.
You know, Jenae Kai is facing a monster of the week almost just kind of like people are
just showing up.
And like, yeah, they may deserve the title because of like who they were elsewhere, but
you got to kind of do your research for that.
No, like I would like to see Jenae Kai face someone in MLW or on top or barring that to
get, you know, a little bit more than just one hype package for whomever the opponent's
going to be because we only saw one hype video for hyper Masao and like it really didn't do
that great of a job to explain who she was like overall like it was a good like one time
intro, but you need to kind of in, you know, evolve that introduction as well.
So we just got like the same hype package over and over, which did next to nothing for
actually educating your viewer like as I said, like the match was fine.
I just it was just kind of a letdown for being just fine and just, you know, having like,
I know it's a big deal for MLW to have these partnerships, but if you're not going to like
help us figure out who the who these people are, you're not doing that.
You're not doing the match.
You're doing the match into service.
And since the match itself didn't blow, you know, didn't blow anyone out of the water,
like we really don't understand why hyper Masao got the title shot as compared to like anybody
else in the world.
Yeah.
I mean, the last two shows, Genet Jenaikai has been going against two monsters, good
talent.
I love the partnership with TJ, you know, TJ PW.
Why this specific person got a title match?
I have no clue.
Like you said, I was very disappointed with the match.
It looked more like a comedy after a while with hyper, especially the one thing that
she did with the bicycle that she gets on the bike and goes across the ring, riding
a bike for a clothesline.
I'm like, yeah, you know, you know, I figure Tom Lawler or Braun Strowman can do a lap
around the ring on.
Yeah.
I'm like, the bicycle.
Yeah.
The bicycle is a little much, but it took so long to kind of hurt that hurt pedaling.
That was my that was my complaint.
It took like a half hour.
Like, yes, yeah.
I'm like, oh, this is going to be waiting for you there.
This whole time when you're trying to figure out how to pedal your own bike.
Yeah.
And I will like interrupt just briefly to point out like that this seemed to be kind
of a quasi reoccurring theme throughout the night.
Like one of like my things I noticed is like some of the pacing in a lot of matches seem
to be off where like we had these spots that took way too long to set up whether it was
the bike spot or in our next match, having our ring board chair pyramid thing and just
like kind of like really disrupted the flow of some of these matches.
Yeah.
I will just point it with this specific featherweight match.
All of the ones they've done before have been awesome.
The one for next month, I don't know whoever she's going to wrestle.
Hopefully you'll better than this one.
But I like that they're bringing people from a different company to, you know, go for the
title, but hopefully next month, it'll be someone from the States.
I'm surprised they still haven't brought anybody from CMLL, female wise to challenge.
So hopefully that will happen soon.
I'm still waiting for anybody from MLW to go to TJPW and wrestle there like Jenae Kai
or even, you know, the last champion.
dummy XO.
You know, dummy XO to go up there.
That will then that will feel like a regular or real partnership there.
But are we seeing if people coming from CMLL and from TJPW, but no one from here going
to either of those places except for Rocky the Rower who already wrestles there.
Right.
Yeah.
And I honestly, like, I would like to see like a little bit more interaction with the
current like featherweight roster too.
Like the in terms of title matches, the actual roster seems to be taking a backseat to whoever
they're bringing in.
And I know like they're dropping hints at Zeta Steel or at least she's asking for a
title shot and it hasn't been quite granted yet.
You know, but like I like something seems to be going on with dummy XO kind of sorted,
but they they they haven't elaborated on that yet.
And like she's not gotten a proper rematch.
She had the triple threat match with T.R.
James.
But like they haven't T.R.
James.
Yeah, but they but they haven't put too much stock in their own featherweights.
It seems like I mean, and they brought in like a couple of folks too, like in the periphery
and they're not doing much with like a Magnificent Mimi and what.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And she's going to be there at the show for in two weeks.
She hasn't matched there.
So at least they're using some of the indie females to come in from master factories.
So that's a good thing.
But all I'm seeing them is take losses.
I haven't seen them, you know, get it when yet.
So yeah, so it's it's kind of like a revolving door.
They're not really building anyone up within MLW to unseat Kai, which like.
I mean, it's not great.
I mean, yeah, you can probably pull a surprise card again, like kind of how like Kai came
in and won the title.
But I also don't see the point of having a division if you're not going to build the
division to a point where they should be able to be contenders for the title properly, especially
once again, especially with your with your with the last champion still a part of the
roster.
Yeah.
And then you have Becca, who was going to be the one who's going to take the title
match and then everything don't know what happened with Becca and kind of felt the wheels
after that when we're getting this specific different challenges every month from TJPW
female.
So right.
And so I don't know.
You know, again, I'm not going to complain too much as long as the match quality holds
up.
And yes, comparatively speaking, I feel like this one was a downer, but I also will note
that like, but I also note that like the featherweight's been putting out bangers.
So at some point, you know, a drop off is going to happen.
They can't all be a pluses.
You know, sometimes you just drop off.
But but I say, I didn't think it was outside of the bike spot and I didn't hate the bike
spot.
I just took hated how long it took to do it.
Yeah, it took too long.
But like, I didn't hate the use of the bicycles and I definitely I'm not like taking it as
harshly as a whole as some of the other folks on the intro webs, but whatever.
But speaking of, but to bring things up, our match following this was for the tag team
championships as the second year crew represented by Matthew Justice and the one called Manders
takes on WTFs Tom Lawler and Joshua Bishop.
What do you think, Buffins?
I'll be honest, I actually enjoyed this match.
I mean, even though I'm not too keen on that type of matches, you know, tables all with
chairs and all that kind of shit going back and forth.
Just once the young kid's name looks like Sid Vicious Bishop Bishop.
He looks like Sid Vicious Junior.
So you know, I just do a little more sit ups and you'll get there to look just like him.
He I mean, he for being new, he definitely has a lot of power, you know, and he took
a lot of spots there, especially the one justice went up and I think he's going to do the work
on justice and justice turned around and went to the tables.
I actually thought there WTF was going to get the titles to be honest with you.
I was okay, we're going to see some title changes.
They didn't happen, they were just surprised by it, but happy that it didn't happen.
But yeah, I was very impressed with the whole match.
It was it was clean.
I loved it, you know, right.
Good destruction all over the place.
And the kid just what kind of phrase them again.
Joshua Bishop.
Yeah, Bishop.
Okay, I want to keep saying just but Bishop, yes, Vicious Junior.
Yeah, he definitely impressed me.
So I'm looking forward to those guys moving forward and see where they go.
I mean, there was a I was thinking when the tag team Bella, they didn't.
So what's going to happen next month?
You know, where do they go from here as a tag team?
And I think that is the big question overall, especially when it comes to WTF.
I'll talk and go back to the match here in a bit.
But like since you kind of brought it up, where do we go next?
I feel like that's a big question for WTF in general, because that has been the nature
of the beast.
Like at best, they seem to do like they will pick up matches, you know, when the lights
aren't quite so bright like justice, excuse me, Bishop beat justice technically, you know,
last month.
But and Cardona's had pretty good results except for the world title match.
But like as a whole, WTF really has not done much of anything for trying to launch this
sports entertainment takeover of the company.
And it's kind of getting to the point where they do need some sort of big signature win
to kind of justify their existence.
Like I know that a lot of the MSL stuff is played for laughs, but like you have guys
in that stable that can go.
I mean, obviously, Lawler is a former world champion in MLW.
Richard Holiday's perennial, you know, upper mid Carter, a guy probably should be strapping
the rocket to be quite frank.
And then Zeta, who's cutting her teeth in MLW.
So they got the featherweight division covered to and Bishop, who showed that he can go and
quick little fact for anyone who isn't aware, like who's extra surprised about his teamwork.
He's cut his teeth in the business as a member of a tag team.
He's actually a regular member of a team called the RIP city shooters out East, primarily
in the Philadelphia Pittsburgh area.
So like the dude, the dude's got a tag team pedigree to him as well.
In addition to being now the, you know, the primary muscle for WTF.
But, but yeah, so I, so like I was more surprised how well Lawler and him work together as a
team as well.
But yeah, what like, what do you, what do you do for WTF because they're choking in
these big match situations.
And I mean, this is, this is late enough that I think I could spoil it, especially this
early in the show, you know, spoiler alert, Richard holiday didn't win the world championship
either.
So like, you know, it's getting kind of hard to take, you know, WTF as an actual threat.
Yeah.
And which, you know, given the nature of the talents within WTF, like that's kind of a
shame.
But going to the match itself, like this is, this is the brawling and car crash stuff that
I love.
And so like, I was totally fine, like with the match itself, outside of like them having
to build the contraptions, like I think, you know, everything, you know, you know, was
just everything you'd want in a hard hitting like ringside brawl, especially, you know,
I don't give the man flowers very often, but like the chop off between Manders and
Bishop, like was just insane.
Like I, like I am in, like, I don't know how they managed to pull it off without their
chests totally looking like hamburgers, just standing there, just chopping.
I know Bishop's chest looked pretty gnarly, but, but it wasn't the open, open wounds gnarly
is like they were really kind of going to chop off.
Yeah, they had the big chop off and then Manders ducked out and justice came back, it came
in and continued, which I thought was hilarious.
Yeah, I did, but I think with like the, the amount of plunder involved that it did allow
Bishop to shine, I did think, especially with Manders getting dumped towards the end that
the, that the titles were going to change.
Cause I thought like, okay, here we go.
Two on one, like here's where we go down.
And that's all that really happened.
Yeah.
And then Loller got dumped pretty quick right after that too.
We're like, Oh, so yeah.
And, and then an auxiliary comment to where do we go from here?
Like I, you know, assuming the second year crew keep those titles, like I, I, I'm interested
at this face versus face matchup.
Like that was like reason number two, why I thought WTF was going to win the titles in
this match was because wasted youth or, you know, pure baby faces.
And now you have, you know, the Dastardly Hill team with the titles to, you know, so
they can play off of each other than that front.
And it's not like a second year crew haven't had their share of face versus face matches.
I mean, to be fair, they won the titles from a face versus face match against the new Simone
SWAT team.
So you know, so, you know, they'll fight anyone.
It's fine.
But I was just kind of curious about that as well.
And so we ended up glossing over before I move along.
I just want to throw out there like Zeta done got herself killed in that match too.
Like what kind of man Larry it's a woman.
And it's not even like a bodybuilder as woman like, like a step the lander like, yes, Zeta
is a normal sized woman.
And that's your, that's your boy, man.
There's yeah, the big bad cowboys just running around, larring women.
Hopefully, hopefully you'll take your revenge on him next week.
There we go.
Yeah.
Sidebar on that, ladies and gentlemen, next, next weekend is the MLW confusion sponsored
prestige rumble.
That's the W pro bluegrass Coliseum marking the return home of the one called Manners.
So going to have my revenge.
That's right.
He has merked me twice before this time.
Well, last time you ran you off the premises.
So no, that was the first time last time you gave me an autograph.
Okay.
Last time he said he was sorry and then gave me the worst autograph ever.
Yeah.
And you know, the first time he ran you off, wow, that's not a good look.
Yeah, but he was drunk.
I'll make sure he's sober this time.
All right.
I'm not going to beat up a drunk man.
That's not a fair fight.
That might be the only way you might be.
I mean, you're drunk.
Oh, you never know.
So now wasn't this the next match, another hardcore match?
Yeah.
The next match, we, they jumped right into it as they're cleaning up, but it was the
Taipei death match.
I hate it.
Between the former calling members Akira and Rikishan Page for the national open weight
championship.
Akira doesn't even wait.
He just barges down there and he's like, I want Rikishan Page right now.
And Rikishan Page is like, okay, I like bleeding and they come in half a match.
No.
I can't have two hardcore matches back to back like that.
I get turned off quick and then this looks like a blot bath.
I mean, there was blood everywhere.
I mean, especially from Shane Page.
I mean, this dude was just bleeding.
I'm like that.
I'm thinking to myself, this looks like the hand man page against trickling match from
a couple of weeks ago up by AEW.
I'm surprised.
No of them started, you know, drinking their oil trousers, bloods like, give me a cup of
your blood.
I need you to take a couple of my blood and we'll drink it together.
We say cheer and drink.
But yeah, the only thing I like about this match was towards the ending when Kellan Han
came out and joined the calling.
And now the calling looks like a threat because of Callihan.
Callihan being there gives the calling a better, you know, mastermind behind that.
Since Raven's gone, Raven, you know, came in, started this group.
We never saw him again, you know, after weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks, never saw him
again, then Delirious, Mendeleon got married and they're still in the honeymoon because
nobody's seen them since, you know, so, and then it was just, the calling was just flapping
around.
Now you see Callihan who is a mastermind, statistic monster, you know, hopefully either
being the leader or just kind of matching with the rest of the guys.
So now they will really look like a threat now.
That was the only part of the whole match that I liked.
Yeah, yeah, I didn't mind the match, but then again, I have all four, the death match stuff.
So like that, I didn't hear my feelings fun much on that one.
My really, like the only thing I really complained about off of it was that, like, you couldn't
tell that they, that their hand that they had glass on their tape.
Like, what they should have done is done like beer bottles or some sort of color glass so
you can see the shards on the tape.
Like, I mean, we got enough close ups that, you know, like we got to see the glass on
the tape, but like, it didn't have that visual pop.
Like if you didn't, like, if you didn't already know this was a Taipei death match, you probably
would have forgotten at least initially.
And so like, yeah, that that that was just, I mean, that wasn't a big misstep.
Like it was fine.
One of the things that did kind of like, I don't want to say turn me off to it, but
like the camera work in this match, comparatively speaking, it just wasn't quite as great.
Like evidently, whomever the director was for this has not covered a lot of these sorts
of matches because there were a handful of times where we blatantly caught people giggling
themselves on camera.
I can't remember the exact spot where Kira was cutting himself, but you could see him
going at his forehead, whereas Ricky Shane Page was in an ankle lock and like the camera
was like pretty darn close.
You watching Ricky Shane Page like, no, no, cut away, focus on a Kira or come out or something.
We're watching, we're watching to the night.
We're watching them cut themselves.
Like that that that is taking me out of like taking me that is suspending my disbelief.
That is causing me to not suspend my disbelief anymore.
Like I don't have a problem with people cutting themselves.
Like that's that's expected in this, but it was just the fact that we're watching the
dude actively do it.
Yeah.
Only thing was when Akira was down and he put the two chairs with the glass in the middle
and Shane Page jumped through the glass right on on Akira.
I thought that shit was crazy right there.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
I was like, wow, I mean, I don't know this.
I mean, I know the glasses crap, but still man, that was kind of crazy.
You know, watching the other than that, that was like, only two times that I pop was that
one and when Callahan came out.
Now, see, that's one of those spots that like, oh, I hate just because I think because you
it's a shower and you can't protect you like you can't properly protect your eyes like
with that.
And you know, and then like, oh, and glass that powders like that is horrible.
Here, we'll get the TMI stuff when it comes to playing with glass and break the hat out
for this.
I was in attendance of the King of the Death matches.
I know we mid-south believe it was 2009, I believe.
I can check that up later.
But we had a fans bring the weapons match.
And because I am a horrible person, I brought what I called a cotton maiden.
For this was just a T shirt that I coated with glue smashed a bunch of, well, because
I don't like cool drinks, a bunch of Mike's hard bottles, smashed them all up and glued
them to the shirt.
What I didn't realize was like, how like glass actually like slivers in that amount.
So like, I would do it and like a glass dust would like get my hand and then like my hand
would be sore for like the next three days as I'm trying to like get as my body started
to get the little glass splinter out that I couldn't even bloody see.
So like sometimes seeing that glass kind of stuff just like just getting in my hand like
I'm not even taking it to the back or anything like I'm not a real worker or anything like
that.
I just like I'm going like, oh, this is stuck and now it's going to hurt me three days and
like Akira got showered with glass like all of his torso, ricocheting page, like jumped
off, broke the glass and then landed in it.
Like that part like, oh dear.
That doesn't, that's too much for me.
I'm like, oh Lord, come on now.
But yeah, but to go go to your point of Callahan being back like this excites me for the calling
like I don't know how well he fits the, or we'll call it the original aesthetic for it.
But like he's going to, he's going to bring a new life to it.
One, he's going to be involved in creative.
And so like regardless of what, how you feel about Sammy Callahan in ring, like he's got
a good mind to him and he's very well respected for his creative output.
If you need examples for this, I mean, obviously you could check out impact where he's had
a big hand in, but he runs the wrestling revolver, pro wrestling revolver that alternates usually
between Des Moines, Iowa and Dayton, Ohio, but they do spot shows all around the country.
They're coming like pretty soon to Texas, I believe.
But like that is his promotion, that is his driving force.
And if you, and if you have the fight plus Triller subscription, you can watch it.
It's, you know, so, so, so it comes included in that if you, you know, so, so you don't
have to necessarily spend extra money if you've already got that.
But yeah, so I'm curious, like I'm glad to see like hopefully the calling will get like
a new life, like a life force to it because it's been just the Ricky Shane Page show really
for two, ever since Raven left.
And you know, it hasn't done a whole lot, especially now that Akira's broken away.
We just, we're just left with disappearing members and Jeff Cannonball.
And what you guys, and masks.
Yeah.
So hopefully this will kind of write the ship of where the calling's going or if nothing
else taken in a new sadistic twisted direction.
Only one way to find out.
We just know that I just know that at least based on the social media Akira is not done
with everybody yet.
That's what he says.
So we'll find out what happens next.
We shall.
But yeah, so we did get the brief announcement that NLW it's reload will be January 20th.
That's the next big event in there.
So just throw it out there because we did touch on it earlier.
Following this is our popcorn match.
I'm going to call it just because of how short it was.
But Brett Ryan Goslin notorious BRG versus love, love Doug and a love is blind fold match.
Shake your head guessing two matches in a row and struck out.
I know that I've never understood this type, this specific match ever in any company that
I've seen this match happen.
Like you can't see anything supposedly, but you're able to come out with two perfect
clotheslines at the same time.
You can't see anything.
You know, and then one gets to cheat for the mask off.
So you can see what's going on.
I was guessing the win, but then love Doug comes out of nowhere and does his moves and
gets the win.
Like what was the point of this match?
Why you couldn't just have a regular wrestling match to something else, you know, like grab
the pole or something, you know, make it a real wrestling match.
But yeah, this was just the weirdest thing I ever seen.
I know they should have said this for the reload show and do it there instead of having
on this paper view here.
But yeah, I mean, he wasted time of two guys.
I'm trying to see how they go forward and wrestle and see if they have any good talent
because we already seen love Doug go a couple of times already, but I haven't seen much
of the other guys.
So yeah, I'm curious.
This is definitely on the ground for me.
I'm definitely interested in where they decided blindfold was the way to go for this match.
Like don't get wrong.
Like I understand them not wanting to do it like another hardcore brawl because we just
come off like back to back.
So you need a palette cleanser of a match.
Just have a regular match.
Yeah, like, I know regular match or, you know, if you're going to do something, you know,
maybe boot it from the show and let one of the other teams have another match.
Yeah, you put a speculation.
If love Doug wins, he gets it.
They were better.
I will say that they at least kept the match short and sweet.
It was the shortest match of the night.
And one thing that I really, I did really like was going into the ending where Goslin
lost Doug couldn't find him and he put the blindfold back on so he like legit couldn't
see Doug, but he made enough bloody noise that, you know, the dead could, could crawl
out of their coffin and go find him.
So like there was they actually did play that part.
I thought rather well is that he just made so much bloody noise like anybody anybody
could have caught you found him.
So like they made that work.
Yeah, like yes, the double clothesline spot.
Like, okay, that that one, that was pretty tongue in cheek, but the but the finish I
thought was actually very well done for a blindfold match.
I was just glad it was done.
But it was short and sweet.
And I felt like overall it was inoffensive.
So I think and I think it was met more as the bathroom palette cleanser match.
Yes, we had those big two.
We have those two hardcore brawls with a lot of stuff going on with it.
And then then up next we're going to have our dual main events plus a big announcement
for the World Heavyweight Championship.
Go, you know, coming into the next show.
Plus we actually got a big announcement after this as well of that.
Misty co is coming to coming to MLW.
So looks looks like he is going to have a go at promotion is Dorota, which Selena de
Lloranta has no clue like how he showed up.
He didn't they didn't go through her.
So so we have this extra little like we were getting layers to this year onion as well.
And I don't know if I'm jumping the gun on it, but we might as well just go through it
all now anyway.
But yes, so Selena is supposed to have like all like the monopoly on bringing in Luchadores
to MLW and someone brought is bringing misty co in with that without her knowledge.
And then with the little package with it, there's also there's a little bit of a dissension
in the race.
So because Rocky Romero, a zoo cards like, Hey, you got a zoo car.
That's all you need to take out.
You know, take out a take out a pesky Luchador.
And Selena is like, Yes, I do have someone that can you take care of this.
Averno.
Yes.
And Rocky's like, like what?
Oh, no.
Well, I was excited for this for many reasons.
This right here is the beginning of the sprinkles of Cesar Durán making his comeback, hopefully
at the main show since it's going to be an aesthetic show.
So they're slowly dropping the clues of Cesar Durán coming in.
Now you get one of the biggest attractions in Mexico being mystical.
You know, and people, I don't know if people know and you should put your head on, you
know, mystical was always in CMLL.
And then he left.
Went to Dodory became Sin Cara.
And they had a different roster becomes mystical too.
And then after Sin Cara got released, he went back to mystical to Mexico where he became
miss disease in the meantime.
Once the guy who was mystical to left, he was able to get his crown back as the original
mystical again.
Okay, I didn't know that part of it because I knew that I knew that there were two mysticos
Yes, I think we're running around.
But yes, he came back as miss miss disease.
Yeah, but because he couldn't take up on the mantle because somebody had it.
Once the guy left and went somewhere else, he was able to take the mantle back as the
original mystical son.
Now there's only one mystical there now, which is the original guy from the beginning back
in 2011 2010 whenever he was, you know, doing the mystical thing.
And which makes me happy.
And I haven't followed a cap.
I haven't completely kept up with him.
But at one point he was considered like pound for bound one of the best wrestlers.
Yes.
And if not the best wrestler in the world, he was at least the best high flyer.
And that's when he went to Dodory because the other like you said, all the hype was
on the more the best high flyers.
And then he became skin color.
And unfortunately it didn't sell in Dodory.
I don't for what reason, not on the why, but I think it's a combination of, I mean,
some of this is rumor, like there is rumor.
Part of the rumor is that he's got a terrible attitude.
And so like he wasn't willing to play a lot of ball with the WWE stuff.
That's just rumor conjection.
That's not opinion.
But two, like there is at least stylistically like a bit of a jump between traditional American
wrestling and lucha.
And like really, like there was only like, I don't know, like four or five guys in the
company who had been trained proper in lucha.
And one of them was Alberto Del Rio, who had no interest in working with him.
So like one of the guys who could lucha wasn't going to help the guy either.
And so it was kind of like, I think it was kind of a perfect storm of like, nobody knows
how to work like you do.
So you can't do the stuff you're good at.
And then he's also not willing to make any adaptations either is what basically what
I heard.
Like he was dead set against learning any English, which is unfortunately some, if you're
going to go to WWE, unfortunately, you're going to have to learn at least a little bit
of English.
I mean, maybe not so much now because they've let students get Nakamura do whatever weird
things with his promos now, but like, in this case, not pretty good English anyway.
And even damage control with the girls in all Japanese, they're talking about Japanese
put a little English here and go back to Japanese.
I noticed that more and some of the girls who speak Spanish, the same thing.
They go back and forth between English and Spanish.
So I was like, okay, well, I guess now it doesn't really matter if you know the whole
language right now.
Back then when McMahon was in charge, it was a different story.
Oh yeah.
So McMahon and Kevin Dunn, like those are two of the most like weirdly xenophobic.
And both of those guys are, you know, one's gone and there was a lot to leave Kevin Dunn
so.
Yeah.
So yeah, so yeah, so we got a lot of stuff going on with promotion is Dorado too.
And like I am down for it, especially if it involves the return to Cesar Durand, mostly
because it will make my wife happy.
Because it's one of the few things in wrestling that makes my wife happy.
She loves herself.
She loves Cesar Durand and Dario Cueto.
Yes, Dario, yes.
Yeah, but Mystical coming here.
I mean, the original Mystical coming to the States and being the Alma W for CML, that's
going to be huge.
And is that also in failure in New York?
That one, I don't remember.
I mean, I don't know if it was.
I wrote down at Superfight, but I don't remember where Superfight is.
I just wrote down at Superfight in my original.
I can't wait to the least failure, man.
I thought it was a failure.
And it looks like they're going to be doing that at least quasi long term.
They're doing it in New York.
They're going back to Florida and then they're going to Chicago.
Yes.
So hopefully they're going to be out of this area.
And I'm surprised they don't have anything set up for WrestleMania weekend.
Yeah, I feel like that's a missed opportunity because everyone in their even promotions
that don't have a base, like anywhere near WrestleMania, like one of the quasi local
promotions, like that's like 45 minutes from my house that's like they run at a town or
town of like, you know, a couple thousand people, maybe 10,000 max.
And they don't travel like more than 50 miles.
That's their territory, 50 miles.
Like they go to wherever WrestleMania is going to be at in half.
So they'll be there?
I don't know about this year.
I haven't paid that much attention and they haven't run quite as many shows, especially
now that Dreamwave, which runs pretty close by is back and Dreamwave is kind of one of
the one of the bigger Super Indies around anymore.
But yeah, so yeah, so, so super fine, right?
Yeah, super fight.
I just see what we got.
As I'm rattling on incoherently muffins doing the research.
Yes, they'll be fairly again.
We're going to be fairly.
So then the one in March is going to be in New York.
Super, super fight will be great and all, but in terms of big gimmick fights, War Chambers
where I'm at man, that that and Battle Riot to my favorite MLW events, but that's neither
here nor there.
That's that's stalling for time that we don't need to because we're not on TV or anything
like that.
So whatever we can move along, but Mysticos coming in.
It's going to be great.
Avernos coming in.
It's going to be great.
What also could be great.
Our part one of our dual main events, Richard Holiday of WTF, making his in ring return
to MLW looking to take the title from the Ball My A5 Club and Alex Kane.
What do you think?
I was surprised.
This was the second and not the last big event.
The match of the night.
I was really surprised about that.
It should have been.
I was surprised.
But yeah, I don't know.
I'm a bit pen in that if you have a world title fight that like that should be your proper
main event unless you're doing some stupid little lights out thing that doesn't count
through the records and is not sanctioned by the company.
I feel like your, your world title, it should be the main attraction.
And like I, I will roll my eyes right now.
I get why they didn't, but it should have been, especially with a return of like an
MLW product in terms of Richard Holiday.
Yes.
Like I thought, I thought the match, the match didn't have quite the big fight feel.
Some of Kane's other matches, I thought, but it was good.
I really thought that holiday was going to get it a couple of times, especially when
he's hitting the stock market crash in the 2008.
And then like, and then they lost me at like really towards the end, they kind of lost
me when they started doing all the interference and ref bump stuff because like that stuff
wasn't needed at all, especially if you're going to have Kane's, if you're going to
have Kane retain, like you really didn't need to do all that stuff.
And the funny thing is you could see the ref bump coming.
You could see the way the ref was going.
And I'm thinking to God, please not a rep bump.
You don't need this now.
And boom, I'm like, come on, dude.
And he's knocked out for the next five minutes, which wasn't even that bad of a hit at that.
And I'm thinking, you don't need that now.
I mean, and you could see it like, it gave me setup for the ref bump.
But I still was, no, not now.
And I really, really thought holiday was going to win this match.
So my question that I have now, and I said this early and I'm going to ask you, where
does WTF go from here?
Because Richa Holland is going to be here for a while, is he just come in just for this?
And then he's going to leave now again?
Or that was my questions that I had afterwards.
So I'm going to ask you, where does WTF go from here when both of their matches for
titles they lost?
Yeah.
Like, I honestly like really don't know what you do with WTF at this point.
Like they have continued outside of some of Cardona's victories.
Like they've really just kind of like choked time after time.
And like, yes, some of the matches are more, we'll say for show, like Tom Lawler's Satoshi
Kojima match.
Like that was just there to like bring Kojima back.
And Lawler was kind of a good guy to do it.
It told a good story in ring and then like out of the ring as well.
But like they've had all this opportunity, especially with Saint Laurent being the promoter,
the wheeler and dealer of professional wrestling and like his guys like aren't taking over
anything.
The only thing it's being taken over is bottles of champagne by filthy Tom and chalices of
M&Ms by MSL.
Like, like, I don't like they're kind of a joke now.
And that makes me sad to say because they have this killer roster of folk like throughout
the time.
Like when the party started, it was, you know, David Boyce Smith Jr., which obviously is
out with injury.
You know, Gene Snitzky was there for, you know, like one show and then F'd off.
But like those are two hardcore guys.
They brought in Matt Cordona, who outside of his feud with Mans Warner, like couldn't
bring home the title.
And now it looks like he's done with the company, which he got, you know, you know, he did good
for the length he was there.
No complaints on that.
You know, Hammers, Hammers Hammer returned and turned on everyone to join, uh, join WTF.
And now he's gone again.
Yes.
You know, they brought in holiday.
Yeah.
You know, I assume holiday is going to be here for a bit, but like what, you know, what
again, like where, where do you go with these things?
And like, I really just, like, I really just don't know if they're just kind of there for
like these weird comedy segments with MSL.
And then like they just let their guys go in and have bangers of matches.
And then like they let Josh Bishop run at a wreck every once.
So at least they can stand tall after they lose.
Like I really, I really don't know.
And it, and it, and it, you know, as a wrestling fan, it makes me sad because like as much
as MLW does love their, you know, we're taking over heel stables.
Like you, you actually have a roster of like awesome guys within this stable.
It's not like no offense and truly intended to the calling, but like the calling was running
rough shot with less, with, with lesser profile talent.
Yeah.
Oh, in addition to all the masked beatings backstage and all that, not even counting that
stuff, like, like the calling held most of the titles in MLW at one point and WTF who
has a, who had at various points, two former MLW champions on their roster can't do anything.
I don't know, man.
I really don't know what you do from there.
If it's just kind of there to so MSL can have a few, few little segments backstage or not.
I don't know.
And the thing is they keep getting these shots in the arm.
Like they keep getting these metaphorical Sammy Callaghan's if we're going to use the
calling as an example.
Cause again, they, they, they had a shot in the arm with Matt Cardona.
They had a shot in the arm with Hammerstone.
They had another shot in the arm with Holiday.
And now they have a shower and shot in the arm now with the bro guy.
Yeah.
Bishop.
No, no, no.
The main thing guy with.
Oh.
Who wrestled them.
Mike Riddle.
Well, but is he, is he a WTF guy though?
Or is he just a.
I don't know what I'm saying.
You know, the company is getting a shot in the arm though.
Oh yeah.
No, no, the company, like despite my misgivings about WTF, like MLW is, is it a, is it a
WTF is on the upswing in general?
Yeah.
And you know, I've trained up until this past week, you know, I've been, you know,
waving the banner of like, Hey, everyone, MLW is getting good again.
Like you guys got to check it out.
But yeah, so like, where we go with WTF?
Like I have no bloody idea.
I really don't just because.
Well, we can segue to the main event and let's, let's go without what was.
Yeah, that's about, about all I can say about it.
Like I don't, I don't know where to go with it.
So we have our main event of the evening.
And I'm going to talk, I'm going to talk first, if you don't mind muffins about it,
because what I am going to say is going to, if you allow it to stay in the show is going
to be a massive downer and we need someone to pick, pick things up a bit after I'm done
talking.
So our true main event was the ultimate bro Matt Riddle taking on Jacob Fattu.
I'm not, I, okay, I am going to dwell on this.
I am going to dwell on this, but I'm not going to talk about the match really.
So I'm going to start the party with it upset me on multiple levels that Jacob Fattu took
the L here.
Yes.
Because they had just started getting Jacob Fattu back on track after he was eating a
bunch of losses and kind of losing some of his monster aura.
Just for him to come just for him to tap out to the new flavor of the week.
I like that.
Like you built him back up just to feed him to someone else when he could be like a main
event staple for, you know, for however long you need him to be, however long he's going
to stay with the company.
And you just like big picture, he will probably be fine from this, but it upset me that they
went through.
They used him to send hammer home.
They'll send him away just for him to be merked.
The next show like that upset me, but not as much as the whole concept of the match itself.
I am not going to touch.
I am going to lightly touch on the allegations that have been brought forth to Matt Riddle.
But what really upset me, not just as a wrestling fan, but as a person who actually bothers
to care about other people is the commentary for that match.
Matt Stryker did no services to M for MLW.
And like this is the thing, like regardless of how what you thought of the show, what
people are talking about is not, you know, Alex can retaining the return of Richard Holiday,
the bloodbath.
They're talking about Matt Stryker flat out defending someone who was accused of domestic
violence, sexual assault, hard drug use and whatever went on with TSA.
Like, and not just like, Oh, like, I'm going to praise him because he's in our company.
Like he flat out and I have a direct one direct quote here right here is let's talk
about the elephant in the room and the court of public opinion would like to see Jacob
Fattu slap the taste out of Matt Riddle's mouth.
But the court of public opinion does not convict.
I'm sorry.
I know it's the world in which we live and it's not the case.
Like there was no reason for that statement.
And then there was no reason to like flat out, he flat out said, I don't care what the
man has done.
Why would you ever let him go?
Dude, the guy like again, these are allegations not in court.
Dude was accused of sexual assault.
And then again, his last months in the WWE like brought kind of a black eye to the company.
Like why would you bring this stuff out in the open, especially in the main event in
a card where people are going to have eyes specifically on this match because either
a they want to see that man or B they want to see the dumpster fire that MLW is known
to be and they an MLW with the ladder MLW has like either and Matt Stryker either with
MLW's permission said those things or B he went out on his own and like something like
he gave a black eye for the company.
I am not going to I'm not going to be a guy that's going to call for Matt Stryker's job.
I'm not going to do that.
But he gave a very visible black eye for the company.
And like as a person like this upsets me to like put someone accused of the things that
McRiddle has done where he's you know what he's done and like I can't I can't defend
things like that.
The problem that's the problem is I can't defend that I can't be like hey guys go check
out MLW when Matt Stryker's on I are going I don't care what that man's done.
Yeah don't let someone like Matt Riddle go like dude.
If you look at the statistics I would say you know at least half of the women you know
have been sexually harassed or sexually assaulted.
And this is how this is what you're going to do with a guy who's been blatantly accused
of it.
And then just the kicker the kicker to all this is within 12 hours of Matt Stryker doing
this.
He's had at least one accusation of sexual misconduct.
I want MLW to do better because I can't like as a fan I can't I can't it's hard for me
to defend MLW as a promotion that's getting itself right when when the commentary is how
it was.
So like even ignoring the Matt Riddle part of the match itself just basically commentary
just flat out saying we don't care what the man may have done you got to get someone like
him.
And like and I'm hoping that's just Stryker going out on himself and he wasn't fed those
lines because man that's a hard look.
And like I really like I do what I can and I'll segue out of this and you can talk about
the match or however you want to rebuttal it is.
But like it's it is very it is very hard to continue to support the company when when
things like this are allowed to happen.
And I'm I and like you guys know on this show I am the guy I don't necessarily sugarcoat
things but I try to see the silver lining even in like even the blindfold match you
hated the blindfold match.
I'm like hey well it was short and sweet it was a popcorn match you know oh I don't like
all the blood.
But you know at least we got Sammy Callahan out of it or you know for what it was it was
pretty good.
I can't defend this I can't find the silver lining in this to tell you to go look at this
I can't do that in this situation and I'm not going to call for anybody's job I'm not
going to you know metaphorically cancel anyone that I haven't already threatened to do for
but it this really like real talk you you muffins the viewer you know court Bauer if you happen
to be watching this I know some ML guys MLW guys do you check this out.
It really made me rethink my fandom.
I apologize for bringing the show down but if the only thing people are talking about
out of Kings of Coliseum is Matt Stryker's commentary during the main event I think we've
done something wrong.
Well you know like we said before this is the real show we talk about stuff and we are
all on point of views and our opinions and we say what we feel and you say what you felt
and I applaud you for doing that.
There's definitely no silver lining here whatsoever all I can say is Stryker said what he said
he went apologized later on on Twitter and then he retracted it.
Yeah of course you know what was gotta happen is court Bauer had to need to stick a stand
now and suspend him you know for a month or a while or something just to say we acknowledge
it I think.
It's likely because he hasn't said anything yet or I haven't seen anything being acknowledged
by him but you know say something like the views of my Stryker are not ours he was not
fed this type of lines he went you know he was doing his commentary job and he was tone
deaf and just said what he thought needed to be said to bring more light to the match
I don't know I'm just going to share.
And I think that is something else that doesn't a good look for MLW is the fact that they
have remained completely silent with it and I know you shouldn't always feed the neck
beards but when the neck beards are going after something very specific something very
specific that was done on air I think you do need to address this.
Even in like yes people who poo it but at least just a statement that you acknowledge
its existence.
Yeah court Bauer needs to come out with a statement say something to this do that he
needs to get suspended he needs to get sent to a class you know diversity class you know
such a harassment class they do that stuff you know have them do something say something
to kind of clear this up and kind of fix this mess because right now it's a black eye like
you mentioned for the company like how are we supposed to follow a company when you have
this guy one guy going rogue because either you fathom the lines or he went rogue or they
people are going to go well how do you let somebody go rogue just say whatever he wants
to say on on a televised show or if he got fathom lines how can you let somebody feed
him this kind of lies so either or somebody's guilty of either or so regarding of what happens
you know we do have to talk about the match the match was a great match I love the match
I was surprised by the ending I wasn't expecting Rito to win especially not choking out if
I do you know but it is what it is and now we'll see what happens I mean it's really
going to be here next month are they going to cut ties with him now after this happens
is poor Bahra going to come out say something or he's just going to let it blow over you
know something used to happen to make us fans feel better about the company that we are talking
about because we can see here and talk about the company that we love to watch and try
to defend it when something so brilliantly happened on their main arena we have to see
your pretend like you didn't happen because if they happen it's all over the place so
something definitely needs to happen with with max striker or something with Rito you know
he needs to get suspended even though it's not Rito's fault I'm not you know yeah and
I will this is about as close to the defense I'll come out it like this one has nothing
to do like has nothing to do with Matt Riddle do I think Matt Riddle was a good signing
no I don't but he's here now and there's no point in like retroactively punishing him
for that like I'm not happy with it I'm handling it in my own way but like Matt striker is where
that's what we put on our you know put on our societal god you know headphones and just
chose to go like I didn't hear anything I am well we all heard it because we all cringe
when we heard it I'm like if you say that no I didn't say that and as I said like that
was like that was the only thing the mainstream fans talked about after that show they didn't
talk about any of the matches they just talk they talked about Matt Riddle is getting is
getting the eyes for the world reasons yeah and the problem is a lot of people are then
saying like basically I told you show so that MLW has always been a trash fire and here it
is again and the sad thing is I have to sit like in this situation I have to sit here
and just go and I agree I can't I can't argue with you bro like you know up until this point
like I'd be like no dude like yeah you can say whatever you want but things are on upswing
like the matches are amazing like they're they're turned a corner with bringing XYZ and here
but yeah all I have to say is and I'm gonna be I'm gonna take the broom and I'm gonna
be the bad guy now of what you said and me being the bad guy is saying Matt Riddle all
the stuff that has happened has been allegations he hasn't been like you know he's been accused
of stuff he hasn't been you know charged for anything he hasn't been arrested for anything
okay you know it's all his work against her word we saw one video of what happened with
a TSA incident which was the last straw with WWE but WWE still have on the contract when
all the allegations were going on yeah you know the suspended home the suspended but
that he wasn't being shown for a while you know he came in with an injury in the meantime
where all the stuff was being done and once everything died down he got brought back like
nothing ever happened so and he got more over he got more over for a while because of it
it's not because of it so yeah then again as the case nothing has come out of allegations
and the TSA thing was the last straw yeah and as I said at this point at this point
like you've already brought him in like the black eye is not is not on Riddle himself
and really the and the really the outrage was on strike a striker and his comments basically
sweeping everything trying to like publicly sweep everything under the rug you know what's
going to happen now if he got fagalized or he went on his own is gonna fall on striker
period so something has to be done with striker or or or or or barber has to come out with
something I say you know he can't let this just sit by and let a simmer anymore he has
to come out with some I understand what happened but I need a time to think and you know through
the process talk to our lawyers and stuff like that and make some kind of statement
and go from there but he just he cannot not do anything he has to do the silence is just
as damning as letting striker go off like that.
He needs to do something he just can't let it just well I'm gonna let time just take
it and see what happens.
WEE was also guilty because they kept them on the roster through all this stuff they
the same thing with the double tin dream when all the allegations stuff came out they kept
them there for a while and you know told they finally suspended him and fired him because
they you know he would for other things essentially yeah and and again and I guess here's my equivalent
of civil a silver lining but my civil lining is actually bringing everybody else down to
the process like if we are going to look again okay this is my this is closer to a broad
statement that wrestling just needs to be cleaned out in general but if we're going to
look at people who've had serious allegations of sexual misconduct pretty much every major
company in America has had some is currently employing someone with varying degrees of
accusations against them you know whether it's the WWE which they had they had dream
they had this riddle which they eventually let them go they had a totally dismantle
yeah but like but like but we over look over like AEW who hired Ric Flair after all the
things that had come out about flair.
Darby Allen was still is still very well pushed given his allegations you know New Japan like
they really don't care about that kind of stuff because they allow the well they signed
riddle but but they also allowed Chase Owens and Michael Elgin only got fired over there
because he got he was he got caught stealing stuff.
Yeah stealing is the problem.
They didn't care about that stuff.
So I mean again like I've hijacked it and for the purposes of this rant the rant is
surprisingly not it's about riddle but the outrage is not from riddle for riddle himself
that that is how I will clarify the statement and that is about as close to a silver lining
as we're going to get out of this situation.
Yes but but I think I think we brought things down enough and we've kind of beaten a dead
horse at this time like so I maybe.
I will promise to try to do better in the future.
No I know no promises there.
I will if something hits my serious button like I will continue to have the serious talk
about it but that.
You spoke about holding that bother you and you were genuine with what you said and everything
that you said you know it no one can say anything like oh you know this guy is always talking
crap about it.
He's talking about something that bother you and you went and said what you said that's
fine.
That's what we do here.
And there's you know there's there's chunks of things that I can call that are part of
a character or an online persona but like that like that we had we had to drop the current
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Yes.
Holiday break.
Next week is still coming.
Yep.
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