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Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of Keep It 100 with Sean and Christa Smith.
What's good y'all, this is Sean.
Yeah, we are just always looking forward to our time.
Keep It 100 tribe.
And I don't know about y'all, but Christmas went fast, but it was good.
It was blessing.
Right?
We were with family and friends and I hope all of our Keep It 100 tribe, I hope you
had time with family and friends.
You just got to rest a bit and just really have time just to grateful to Jesus of course.
So really that's the whole focus and purpose of that time.
And we just had a really wonderful time.
We had a bunch of family at our house and it was just, it was really celebratory.
We ate food.
Too much.
We ate food.
Too much food.
We played some games.
We played Quitlash.
Oh my gosh.
Of course on the parental control.
So yeah, they asked you good questions.
We laughed.
We did.
We laid hands and prayed, believed just, it was, it was just amazing time as it always
is.
Many of you, if you listen or learn, we got a new puppy.
So we were kind of first Christmas we have with this puppy remnant.
We're super excited.
We got a puppy remnant.
And so he said, there's a remnant in California.
And he is perfection.
I am all about and Sean is all about our pup love him so much.
And you know, here we are in a new year.
Coming off Christmas 2024 and we're here.
We're in and it's just like this year went so fast.
So as jump into 2024, we're being so intentional and that's why we plan a momentum in January
our conference because we really want to start year off right.
We really feel like 2024 is going to be a year of gates, gates being an opportunity to
step into places you've never been before.
Yeah.
Gates represent access.
Gates represent a certain group exclusivity in the Bible.
The gates where we're in leadership met.
I just really feel like this is going to be an opportunity for us to possess gates.
And so January 18th through 20th, many of you that have been listened to people 100
know, and some of you may not.
We're having our conference momentum 2024, which we say is not really a conference.
It's a gathering.
We're super excited.
We're going to have phenomenal speakers, including our guests that we're going to be interviewing
today.
But in addition to this guy, which we'll introduce in a moment, we're going to have some credible
people like Ben and Jody Hughes, husband and wife revivalist healing.
They're from Australia.
They've seen revival.
They are amazing equipers and move in signs and wonders.
In addition to that, we're super excited that we're also going to have Sherman Dumas.
He's also new to will be new to many of you, but he and his wife, Jackette, they are powerful.
They've pastored movements in multiple states.
They are amazing.
And then our worship is going to be amazing.
Chris, I do stay.
We love him.
He is our momentum worship leader and our momentum worship team is going to be, you know, at our
moment of conference, of course, and they are powerhouses.
They have led our master classes.
They were a part of momentum course last year and they bring the glory.
Chris is honestly one of my favorite worship leaders.
We get the privilege of seeing him.
And then we have Matt Gilman, who's just incredible, just really brings the glory of the Lord.
And we had such a powerful time with him last year.
And we had a real corporate encounter that took place during one of his worship sessions
that really was life changing.
It was incredible.
We're so excited for what Chris and for what Matt and team are going to bring.
Yes, it's going to be amazing.
So right now you want to go to SeanandChristasmith.com.
You want to register.
It's coming up real quick in a couple of half weeks.
It's going to be profound.
You want to get in the building.
It's going to be sunny, beautiful Northern California in the San Francisco, Oakland Bay
area.
We've got room for you.
You want to come be a part of it.
We're going to be super excited about that.
We're also working on the streaming, but we want to suggest that you get in the room.
But those of you that can't, you're in other places.
If you check our website real soon, we're going to have the streaming option up.
And this is pretty exciting because we feel like there is this event, this gathering,
this flashpoint is going to be literally so chock-all of the glory and pregnant significance
that we even have a great friend that had a prophetic dream.
Why don't you explain that, Chris?
Yeah.
One of our dear friends, Tiffany Lee, we really love her prophetic gift.
Love her ability to hear God's voice.
She is a dreamer and she had a dream concerning momentum and she shared it with us.
We felt it was really profound and powerful and we actually asked her to record it so
we could share it.
So, keep it wanted to try and listen up, listen to this profound dream from Tiffany Lane.
On November 29th, I had a dream about the upcoming momentum gathering.
In the dream, I saw tongues of fire passing by homes and entering bedrooms as people slept.
I saw the fire form into a crown of fire over both heads.
It rested over them as they slept.
Their spirits were being called to attention.
I saw these people waking in their beds.
It was as if their spirit was calling their mind to attention.
As I watched this take place, I heard there are some people who have no plans to attend
the moment of gathering.
But they will attend.
People's spirits are going to be called into purpose and the dream God has for their lives
is going to be awakened at this gathering.
There is a marking that's going to take place.
They need to be in the room.
In the dream, I started praying for people to wake up and get up in Jesus' name.
Then I saw people rising out of their beds and entering the conference.
And when they got into the room, I saw scrolls being laid out in front of them.
The scrolls were different for each individual.
The scrolls represented God as signs.
People were being given direction for their lives at this gathering that will mark them.
I could physically see the confusion of identity and purpose being broken off of people.
After this, I woke up.
Wow, that dream was amazing.
So good.
This is just, I just believe it's the heart of God in terms of him declaring his intent
on what he wants to do.
I just feel like there are a lot of people out there that have come off the holidays
feeling maybe a bit overwhelmed, busy, maybe a little stale in their walk, maybe a little
lethargic, maybe even something feel spiritually numb.
This is going to be the place.
And then there are others.
You're just so hungry.
You want the more.
I feel like this event, this flashpoint will be the place for you.
And 2024, I think it's just going to be such a significant year.
I know there's so many people that want us to be there.
If places will get worse, wars will be worse and all these kinds of things.
And first of all, we know this, that revivals have always run concurrent to crisis.
There's always been a crisis, but then there's revival where God visits his people.
And so I really believe this is going to be a visitation.
And so we want you to get out and be a part of it.
You know, it's so true.
You know, Tiffany said something of many things that she said that were incredible.
I just want to simply highlight this.
You know, she was saying, you know, some people weren't planning on coming, but then they
were called by God and they showed up.
And I just want to tell you, if you're one of those people that are like, I don't have
the time, I don't have the availability, you know, usually I'm not into conferences.
Well, good.
Well, this is going to be great news for you.
This is not a conference.
This is an encounter.
And I want to encourage you cannot make a more priceless investment than your walk with
Jesus.
And we don't say that with manipulation.
We say that with expectation.
That God isn't going to encounter us.
God is in the room.
What he did last year was profoundly marking in our lives.
And we know there's more that's available this year.
So we want to encourage you now, January 18th to the 20th, mark your calendars, get your
seat, get in the room, make a way to the Bay Area, live in the Bay Area, get in the room,
take the time off work because God is going to meet you and really prioritize that schedule.
Momentum 2024 where we've never been.
That's right.
Speaking of that, we've got a great friend of ours who will also be a speaker.
He is the only returning speaker.
And so we're super excited to have our great friend, Tommy Orion.
Oh, we love Tommy.
I mean, he is, he is truly an internationally recognizable prophet and apostle authored multiple
books.
He is an apostle that is leading the mid rig nation all around the world.
He's a trusted prophetic voice.
He's a prophet, as I said, and we really love him because he's not only an incredible man
of God, he's an incredible friend.
He has truly what you see in the platform as we is, he's probably one of the most generous
bull Sean and I have ever encountered and he loves God extravagantly, but he also loves
his friends and family and he loves the bride of Christ extravagantly.
We trust him.
We love his voice.
And so keep it 100 tribe.
Get ready for this powerful interview with Tom.
Keep it 100 tribe.
We've got the apostle in the room.
My little brother, I say my little brother only because of chronologically I'm older
than him, but this guy carries a big shadow man.
And so we're so glad to have you on.
Call me a rhyming.
What's going on man?
Hey, big bro.
I'm doing well.
How are you?
Hey, I'm doing all right.
Hey, how about you?
Tamar and the kids man.
How you guys doing?
Doing good.
I just got back from Hungary.
So I'm seeing everyone kind of for the first time right now.
But I'm doing really, really well.
Everyone's doing great.
Bro, that's good.
Man, we're so honored that you would jump on the podcast coming back from Hungary.
And man, we are hungry for the revelation that you walk in.
Hey, I just want to jump in it right here.
And one of the things that I've noticed and we just kind of were talking about it before
we jumped on is that this is such a time of transition is transition in the body of Christ
is transition in terms of individual nations, you know, in terms of economies in terms of
world powers in terms of influence of people, transitions.
Obviously, we're going to be coming up in a crazy election times here in the United States,
transition wars, all this kind of stuff.
We can talk about a little bit of that on a larger scale later.
But I just want to ask you, bro.
You have transitioned, it's been a minute, but you have transitioned into Houston, Texas,
in the United States of America, into a home, moving your family.
You've had ministry out here, but now you're based.
Tell us about that.
What is transition meant for Tommy O'Reime and your family, bro?
Well, transition has been, for us, it's been amazingly abrupt, actually, because there's
seasons of forced change.
And we're definitely in a season of forced change that moved us into the U.S.
There wasn't unwilling forced change, but it was certainly forced change.
And we had the privilege of serving the Lord in Syria in Africa for one whole year.
We were intending on being there a lot longer, but the Lord had his plan.
And ultimately, we ended up relocating to Houston.
And that transition transpired after a series of quite dramatic events, one of which being
subsequently arrested in Nigeria for a prophecy that we had given that the government, the
federal government, didn't like.
And so that forced our season of change here to Houston.
But within the first weekend of being in Houston, we planted the Regalobal Church officially.
It was kind of unofficially planted, but now officially planted and God has blessed us
tremendously, averaging around 700, 600, 700 members.
And it's been about eight months a year now coming on.
And he has been, I've been watching online and catching some of your service and some
of the broadcasts and some of the clips.
Man, it looks like it is wild there at Reg Houston, man.
What has God been doing in the services?
What have you been seeing, man?
Well, so much.
We've seen blind eyes open.
We've seen miracles.
We've done maybe six, seven conferences of last count for the year.
I know you and Chris are at one of them, but we just seen God transform an entire week
and just witnessing how many people from all over America, I mean, talk about transition.
I can't tell you how many families have transitioned from all over the United States to relocate
to Houston because of the church.
And so God is just doing amazing thing, gathering an army together.
And it's just, we literally felt like spoilt.
I tell you, just watching God do.
I love that, man.
You know, Chris and I, we were talking about you and, you know, we've just seen just the
amazing favor, just your voice, you know, just the things that you're putting your hands
to how people have been drawn.
One of the things we just kind of talked about and I love this is that we said, hey, you
know what, Tommy draws lines.
We're in such a day where people are either erasing the line, progressive Christianity,
you know, dancing around truths, not really letting the word be the word, not letting
the sword cut.
The sword is a salve or I should say the Bible is a salve, but the Bible is a sword.
And some people are using the salve when we need to have both the sword and the salve.
And you draw lines.
And I love that.
And I feel like people, people want that, man.
We want people that are going to draw lines, man.
And the nebulous, you know, you, you, you look here and you take their eraser and you
kind of had, you had a clear line, but you erase it.
It's all, that's how a lot of people's message right now.
And I've kind of felt like if you're out there and you're in a pulpit or you have a voice,
now is not the time.
Jesus didn't get up out of the tube for us to be inconspicuous.
Right?
I mean, your, your faith is marked by something like that, man.
Hey, let me ask you a series of questions I think our listeners are going to love.
Tell me, what do you feel is the most crucial asset or attribute that we need to have in
this hour, either as individuals or as the church?
I believe there's many things and coming back from Hungary, the Holy Spirit, I spent almost
three quarters of my flight just praying and pressing into the Lord for what you were saying
for 2024.
And there's, there's so many things you can put your finger on.
But right now, if I could speak and jump ahead of the gun to what you're doing with momentum,
which I think is so crucial is, you know, time is measured in hours, but momentum is
measured in moments.
And what often happens is we're waiting to reach the divine place instead of catch the
moment that help us reach the divine place.
You know, every single season of our life is measured spiritually in the moments that
happen to us.
We can talk about Joseph's four moments.
You know, I believe every believer should have at least four transitions.
You have more than four.
You're probably having maybe too many.
But you see, most believers had four major transitions, a few micro transitions in that
before major ones.
And each moment was significant to momentum.
And so the most significant word of the hour that the Lord's been releasing to me is the
word demand.
You've got to become key at measuring the moments of demand that meet us in every day,
because those are moments that lead to momentum.
What I mean by that is when God gives us a dream, we start off when everybody asks us
what happened.
You said, I had a dream.
He said, what's your dream?
And then they always say, in my dream.
And we make the mistake of thinking it's our dream, not realizing that God's inviting
us his dream.
And that's why the box says they'll dream dreams and see vision.
The dream we're dreaming is God's dream in our small brain.
And so we were the ones calling it my when God's like, Hey, this is my dream.
I'm just giving you an impartation and or an invitation into my end picture, my end
design.
The Bible says the vision speaks to the end.
Every time you read scripture, vision speaks to the end, right?
The vision make claims to the end, thoughts and plans to have towards you give you an
expected end, but your beginning be small, your end will greatly increase.
So God gives you spoiler alert in the forms of dreams of vision.
He reveals the end from the beginning.
That's his blueprint.
Now, as people, we become so obsessed about the end that all our focus on it is the dream.
And if you're so dream centered, you actually miss demands in the focus of the dream.
And so when God was trying to deliver Joseph from a certain level of narcissism, God had
to take him through several places of demand.
You know, meet this person and now let me put you in a prison, this man.
And if you're not careful, your treat demands like what you call it detours.
God, why are we here?
What's what's going on?
The dream is over there.
Take me to Pharaoh's house.
And no matter how much Joseph tried, he couldn't manipulate every moment of his life.
He couldn't manipulate them to change.
He handed out business cards, said, remember me, remember what I did for you.
And no matter what he did, he couldn't manipulate his seeds to change.
And so in momentum, what helps us get momentum is the moments.
Each moment is like a, it's like a pushing block.
When you're swimming, you think about the pushing blocks, like a pushing block to the
next moment that's going to take you to the moment that matters.
And so here's David.
He's calculating.
He's doing all of these voluntary things.
He's prophesied he's going to be king, but he's slaying bears, he's slaying lions.
Nobody's paying him for any of it, not earning an income.
And if he's not careful, he can treat a demand like a detour.
And you're like, God, why am I, why am I slaying this?
What's this got to do with what you showed me?
The day it mattered was the day he met Goliath.
And he never heard God say, slay this giant.
He had become so demand focused by this time that he said, the God who delivered me from
the bear, delivered from the lion was, who delivered me from some sort of exercise for
us.
But he said, what would happen to the man who does it?
And in that, he found the positioning at least, because Prince is positioning for kingship.
And so in moments, God releases momentum.
And that momentum, we find ourselves, if we stay in that place of being demand focused,
we find ourselves catholic into our dream, whether we like it or not, because we're actually
seeing demands and not detours anymore.
Man, don't be, bro, that is so profound.
You know, you're talking about demands.
And I think you're right.
I think many times we run from the demands in our lives.
We kind of feel like they're interruptions.
We feel like, oh, I'm not ready for this.
Man, I'm not going to be able to rise to the moment, so to speak.
And I think, you know, the Holy Spirit is not just a New Testament person.
I mean, he's eternal.
And so we think of the Holy Spirit coming on you, you speak in tongues.
The Holy Spirit coming upon you and, you know, you prophesy, the Holy Spirit comes upon you,
you feel goosebumps, you fall out.
But you know, if you really want to do one of those, the law of the first mention, I
mean, there are many instances, obviously you can go back to Genesis, but Samuel said
to King Saul of Kish, he says, the Holy Spirit will come upon you and you will do as the
occasion demands.
And I think sometimes we forget that those moments come to make a demand, but the Holy
Spirit was put upon us for those very moments.
And I think that's just so, so profound because at the same time, I can see the device of
the enemy is trying to get us overwhelmed.
So when our moments come, we don't feel like we can rise to the occasion.
We're like the souffle in the oven door, slam two hardy caves in, never to rise again.
But God isn't making a souffle, he's the soldier's man.
I love that thing.
Oh my goodness, man.
So in that, being able to do as the occasion demands, be able to rise to our demands, recognizing
the transitions and all that kind of stuff.
What would you say, you know, to your rank and follow us, rank and follow believer out
there and you're going, okay, also told me, I'm going to see these moments, they're going
to make demands.
What, how do I need to posture myself so I could be in position that I could be obedient
and successful in those moments when the demands come?
Well, first of all, I'd say, and this may sound cliche, get to momentum comfort.
That's my first thing I would say.
Because we don't realize that we are stuck because of an information depth.
There's something we don't know.
And then there's something we're not willing to pay the price of access.
I remember years ago when people used to say to me, if only, if only a possible view to
the US, if you move to the US, I come to every meeting.
Then I'm going to Houston.
Well, if only it could come to New York, I would, I would really want to come if you
come to New York and you don't realize that actually everything you need from God is over
there and over there is not where you are.
God said, get out of your father's house and go over there.
God said, so Elijah, hey, go over there.
Ravens are going to feed you over there.
Now had Elijah stayed where he was, I promise you, God and his faithfulness would have kept
the Ravens feeding bread and Bob would have walked under there and wondered how he stumbled
into divine favor officer.
So information and blessing is always geographical.
It's never at your convenience.
It's always something God will test you to see if you're willing to get the next upgrade
to appear before him in a specific place.
He says, meet me at Shiloh, meet me at Penile, meet me at Bethel, meet me at, so there are
always these key meeting points.
And I think sometimes people are disappointed because they miss appointments.
And if you miss the appointment, you'll always be disappointed because you won't recognize
the appointment when it comes because appointments come with information.
They come with times.
They come with dates.
They come with sequence.
Next thing I'll say is, a lot of people are so afraid of being distracted that their
thought about being distracted is the biggest distraction in their life.
That's always overthinking the will of God.
I just want to be in God's perfect will.
I just want to make sure.
I'm not in his will, and they spend 20 years of their lives analyzing whether they're
in God's will.
They never actually make it.
And so one of the things that what you just said about King Saul do is the occasion demands.
Some translations say, do whatever the occasion.
So some say, what should I do?
I would say, do whatever.
As long as you're anointed, the worst thing you can do is nothing.
Like you've got to do, there's something called the whatever anointing.
It's the anointing that comes upon whatever you do to make it prosper because you actually
need one level of prosperity to bless you in another season of prosperity.
And if you miss a season to jump over into another season, you'll miss what a specific
season was taught there to teach you.
For instance, you know, there's a certain degree to which you can edit videos because
you went through a season where you didn't have money taken and edit or resources.
So you started learning those things by yourself or the Holy Spirit taught you supernatural.
As a level to which the Holy Spirit told you, get this camera, get this sound, get this
going on, get that going on.
And so now when you hire somebody, it's more about freeing up your time than freeing up
your skill sets because you have those skills.
So the day they say, I can't come to work today, you are not left out of hand because
you developed the muscles in a season that you thought was a diversion.
And all God called it was a moment to get information necessary for your next season.
And so every season is important.
There's no such thing as a wasted season in God as long as the anointing is there because
you're going to need something vital.
Joseph needed the prison because of the seven years of lack.
He needed Potiphar's house because of the seven years of abundance.
So when it came time for what to do, he had learned how to be resourceful in the prison.
He had learned how to live lavishly in Potiphar's house.
So those two polarizing experiences taught him exactly what he needed to tell Pharaoh
to do in that place.
How do you skip over the prison season?
He would not have known what to do in the years of lack.
Man, you know, that is just so, so profound.
I was hearing this one of rookies on the Golden State Warriors and he said his favorite
player, Steph Curry.
Now he's playing with Steph Curry.
He's this rookie out here in Golden State.
And he was saying, you know, he says, I expect Steph to make every single shot.
And he says, because when I'm, when I'm doing the interview right now, this guy's in the
gym practicing.
And I just think that so many people, cause I look at you, Tony, and the confidence and
the authority you walk in that you're meeting them demands and you, you, you, you really
can do the work.
You have the oxen anointing, bro.
I mean, you're, you're doing the work of like four or five different people and you're
doing it all well.
But I think part of it is that you, you nailed it.
You, you, on the come up, you, you had to acquire that skill set.
You had to acquire that information.
You were practicing, you were harnessing your gifts when it wasn't a, you know, a platform
of tens of thousands of people and, and you know, crazy number of hundreds of thousands
of followers on YouTube.
You were doing, you were putting in work as the kids love to say today.
And I think that's just so important because I think we, we recognize, I recognize, you
recognize, we operate from the finished victory of the cross.
But our problem is we want victory without getting in the fight, right?
And that's that, that is the divine paradox.
We do fight from victory, but the key is we, we have to fight.
You have to put in work.
You have to be disciplined and do those things.
Hey man.
I thought a YouTube channel later on, I want you to tell us your YouTube channel, but how
important right now is the media mountain and controlling the narrative?
How important is it for the church to begin to make sure her voice, obviously there are
things, the Bible is very clear that nature is voice activated.
It's waiting upon the arising of the sons and daughters of the Messiah God.
There's a groaning and, and the, everything we see around us is based on Jesus speaking.
How important is it for us to capture and rise in the mountain of media and to control
the narrative right now?
I think it's, it's absolutely one of the most crucial things that the body of Christ
can do right.
A lot of us are actually waiting for God to platform us.
A lot of people in the body called me and say, Oh, that's okay for you.
You have a platform.
And I always say this.
First of all, revelation is a platform.
It's not, it's not, you know, Facebook, not Twitter, it's not Instagram.
The fact that God is speaking and putting his big words in your mouth, that's platform,
you know, that's, that's in trustment.
That's something huge.
We're talking about men like John the Baptist who didn't set up his ministry in a city center
somewhere in a, in a big major town.
He went to a desert and all he had was a voice of revelation and that revelation galvanized
a large ground swallowing people towards that.
So when you have the word of the Lord or the sound of distinction, that's the platform
in itself.
And the second thing is this, God actually gives us the stewardship over several things
in the Bible.
I always tell this to let my sons and daughters in the ministry.
I say, you know, if your heart was broken, that's on you because God doesn't guard your
heart.
He gives that responsibility to you.
He says, you guard your heart.
I'll, I'll guard your spirit.
I'll guard your salvation.
I'll even guard your finance.
But your heart is your responsible to it.
Don't go around giving it to everybody and then crying about how it got broken.
And so, so that the second thing God tells us to, to take stewardship over is our light.
He says, you know, I'm responsible for the light.
You're responsible for how it's platform.
So he says, let your light so shine in such a way that men see it.
So he's actually telling us to be deliberate.
And some of you say, well, what's the difference between that and showing off?
Well, he says show light.
He didn't say show off.
He didn't say go out and show off.
He said, let the light that's in you, which comes from God so shine.
So that means you're responsible for the platforming of the light that's on the inside.
Now, you know, if there's something wrong with it and it didn't get out to as many people
as you wanted it to, then you might need to question sometimes whether or not it's light
or whether you think it's light and it's darkness because light shines.
That's the, like the, the manifestation of light is it can't be hidden.
That's the great news about it.
So you're really not having to do much work, but on some level, the work you have to do
is not resist the tech, resist the urge to mistake hiding from as humility.
So he says, don't put your light under a bushel.
That's hiding.
He says you've got to platform the light in a way that people can actually see it.
It needs to have some level of visibility.
As God told Habaker, right division may claim or some turn, which they publish the vision.
So media and publication are important to the extent of just getting a message on another
reason.
It's important because the one who has the narrative has the nation.
Somebody asked who's winning in America right now.
I said whoever has the right narrative, who's going to win in America's election, whoever
has the loudest narrative, the narrative is what matters.
Children of Israel won 40 years in the desert, not because God wanted them to, but because
of the narrative.
A couple of people came spread a report, put out a piece for us to say, Giants are here.
They're bigger than us.
They're bad than us.
Everything terrible.
Fruit's great, but the problem is there's giants.
There's big giant tech, giant media, giant farmer.
Everything's bigger than us.
We're never going to win.
Oh, always small church, which is going to be poor and broken.
And God's like, you're defeated the moment you opened your mouth.
And because of it, you're going to want 40 years because of bad media.
Were the giants there?
Yes.
Were they bigger than them?
Yes.
God actually said, I'm going to give you people bigger of my kids.
So they weren't telling facts, but they weren't telling truth.
And so media should be for the Christian, the place to speak truth, not fact.
Look at America over the past few years.
We've almost gone 40 years back because not because America is a bad country.
Is it good or is it bad?
Who knows?
Who owns the narrative?
Those who own the narrative are telling us over and over again, every single day, America
is a bad country.
And the moment you release those words out of your mouth, God is obligated to set nations
back because of narrative.
And so I'm not saying these things are not fact.
I'm not saying racism isn't a fact.
I'm not saying LGBT isn't a fact.
I'm not saying there aren't big giants, big tech, big farmer.
Those things aren't disputed by God.
You see lies is anything God didn't say.
First chapter 20, excuse me, says this says you shall not spread.
I think it's Exodus 20 or Exodus 21.
What are those two?
You shall not spread a fake report.
That means the fake news did not come as a byproduct to Donald Trump.
It was there in the Bible because God knew fake news was spiritual.
So it's adult spread, fake news.
And today we spread fake news like COVID.
I mean, it's just going everywhere.
And so we have to become better stewards of truth.
We have to be better stewards of what God said, not what's on ground.
But what did God say?
Because whoever owns the narrative owns the nation.
Man, man, I felt like I heard this thing, Tommy.
And when you said revelation is the platform, I'm still buzzing over that.
That is, bro, that's a master class.
That is ridiculous, little bro.
I was thinking about right now, I feel like we have the Makaya mandate.
You know, obviously when King Ahab was about to go out to war, he had like, I think 400
prophets that were basically an echo chamber.
And they were just telling the king what he wanted to hear.
All king, go out and fight.
You're the man, dude, you can't lose.
You're going to defeat him.
And then, you know, I think Joseph, that was part of that configuration.
He shouldn't have been doing anything with Ahab, but he said, is there is there not
a real prophet?
And they pull Makaya out.
And if you read the passage, he's being advised what the, at that point, what is
the popular narrative like, A, the king has been told that if he goes out and
fights his wicked King Ahab, everybody knows.
And essentially you need to say the same thing.
And they're pulling Makaya out of prison.
And so he's kind of sarcastic at first.
And then the king recognizes sarcasm.
He's telling the truth.
He said, Hey, you're going to go out there.
You're going to die.
And then he says, man, you know what?
I'm going to, I'm going to come back.
I'm going to get you.
And he said, wait, wait, wait, if you come back, I'm a false prophet.
Like essentially, yeah, I should die.
And in that moment, his voice cut through the echo chamber.
And I think sometimes we think that there's so many people that are repeating,
you know, I always say, you know, to some spiritual sons and daughters is it so
much of what we call thinking is nothing more than recycling someone else's
opinion. And we call that like serious thinking.
No, no, no, you heard that.
No, no, no, you Google that.
You chat GPT that you heard your favorite tweet and you're going to put that out
and call that like sophisticated thinking here.
He's being told what to say, but he cuts through the narrative.
So I love what you're saying that you don't have to be in the majority to
carry the narrative because truth obviously are playing on words.
What Trump fax?
Obviously no reference to Donald Trump, but truth will Trump fax every time
what God just needs some truth speakers.
Yes, absolutely.
And I think the conundrum of our generation is the like factor.
You know, you're talking about social media where you are liked or you are not
liked and the unlikes speak louder than the likes.
You know, it's the fact that nobody likes it.
Like, oh, I mean, 300 people liked it or 500.
So the metric for success is set already by people to like.
And so everybody wants to feed that algorithm with what is liked over what is
right. And so what do we do when we have that generation who the platforms
have already been preset for them and the defaults of what you want for
that generation has already been preset for them.
You have to become really clever about and really creative about how you
display truth is one of the things I love about Jesus.
I think, you know, you can either be a Makaya generation or just a mean
generation. I love the Makaya spirit because he's able to speak the truth.
And we have a generation of leaders that do want to drop the line.
And I, one of them that wants to drop the line as you rightly said,
I want to speak the truth.
I want to live the truth more than I want to speak it.
But I want the truth to be the truth.
But I love this about the Lord.
You know, he was able to cut people with such a level of ninja like finesse
that you would not know you were cut until you got home.
And it was like you were bleeding out like Pharisees going,
he talking about us when he said that.
You know, I think we have to get more creative today because anything we say
is hate speech. And when you hear it objectively, it does sound a bit
hateful because we've lost, you know, you spoke about the word being a sword
and a self. We've lost the skilled users of the sword.
Those who can wield it with enough in that.
But at the end of it, there's a whole truth and not just a lambasting
of somebody's lifestyle because I do believe a generation is going to change.
There's going to be transformed by a leadership anointing that can actually
cut without that person being known.
They've been cut a third of like, wow, just got cut really well.
Man, you know, I'm probably doing a little TMI out there.
I just had like a little it's a little tiny, I think it's called like poma
removed out of my neck. You know, when I went into Kaiser, the surgeon,
you know, she she was describing a I'm kind of coming close to an artery.
I'm kind of coming close to a nerve.
But, you know, you you run this risk.
But trust me. And I asked you, I say, you've done this before, right?
They go, yeah, I've done this before.
And I said, hey, do it. And obviously, it was in and out surgery.
It was they just stopped needles and dead in it.
And I think of, you know, the same sword that cut off Malchus ear is the same
sword that could have lanced a stab wound or maybe in modern technology,
remove a cancer. And I find it for like in our zealousness,
we've cut off the ear of people to hear us.
And the problem is if you cut off their ear and at the same time,
you want them to respond to your voice, you're going to have a problem.
And it's funny, Jesus did the thing that I think is the the ministry
that we need to do in the mountain of media.
And the narrative is he picked up the dude's ear and put his ear back on.
And I feel like our strategy has got to be how do we put the ear back on
the nations of the world? How do you, you know, we're in the context right now.
Let's say the Western world, you know, because so much of the Eastern world
experience and revival in the Western world, you're skeptical,
you're hardened, you're deconstructed, you've got all these things,
progressive Christianity.
And but how do we get their ear back on?
And here's the other thing.
And I was talking about this with a group of some prophetic people at a gathering
that I knew it was going to hit this group a little bit different.
And I said, you know, in the area of politics, I said, you've so villainized people.
But what you have to understand is that you've demonized them
when in fact they're captives of a demon that we need to rescue them.
Their faces on the milk carton.
You're going after the person you're supposed to rescue.
And I go, why would they want to listen to you afterwards?
Or the way you've, you know, you.
And so, man, what you're saying, I think, oh my God, I could, I could jump up and down
and scream that I feel like we do need to be ninjas.
I feel like that verse that says, you know, that we would have the tongue of the learned
that we should know how to speak.
It's not just having the ability to speak.
It's not even necessarily behind it.
Or at the end of the day, the bottom line, it's, it's how you should speak the truth.
And that's obviously you're talking about Issaqar anointing.
I mean, that's really the mainstay of you, your Issaqar prophet, your people that you're
raising up.
And that was the thing that I love, even, you know, after we first met, I can't even
tell you how many years ago, but you would come on YouTube, you and Toby and man, you'd
have them YouTube and you would hit these issues that I thought, my goodness, man, you're
going to mix it folks angry.
But then I would listen to it.
And again, it doesn't matter whether you make people angry or not, that's not to be all
in all, but I just thought, let me listen.
But there was such prophetic precision in which you spoke that I think a lot of people
today are thinking and again, I know, I kind of know what I'm talking about with this.
I think a lot of people are in the John the Baptist, you know, prophet style, which,
hey, I believe the spirit of Elijah on John the Baptist was what made, you know, everything
significant, you know, and since you could have got the same dude or not saying, do another
dude out there doing the same thing, but without that spirit that would turn rebellious hearts
to a, you know, merciful God, turn the hearts of fathers to children.
I think people miss that and they just harp on the brutal vipers, all this stuff.
And first of all, you speak in the Pharisees and hardened religious folks, but I think
they miss the fact this dude was water baptized and quite a few folks that had to been something
in his message that just wasn't slicing dice and Jinsu knife.
You know, we want to be a ninja knife, but not a Jinsu knife.
Oh, I love what you're saying, man.
Anything more on that on just the narrative in that media mountain?
Yeah, I think going back to the, the, the like machine, I think the other side of that
spectrum that I think a lot of those kind of more hard line preachers are going down
the line of is they don't want to compromise and become so greasy grace that they lose
the potency of the scripture.
This is, this is thing that happens when, when the metric becomes being like you pick
up on a Saul spirit.
Saul was the kind of person that was told that God judged him.
And at the end of that, you would think he would fall on his face and cry, but he said,
I get it, but don't let the people think that like honor me in front of these people, just
come out with me and let's have a selfie together.
So everybody thinks they're still doing okay.
And I'm still serving the Lord.
One day the Lord warned me of people who preachers who have left him and they're still holding
on pulpits, you know, left the Lord, but still, still holding onto the pulpit liked by everybody,
loved every post they make, every comment they put out is alike, but they've left the
Lord and that kind of is like a Saul, you know, you reach that place where being light
is more important than making heaven.
And I think unfortunately, sadly, I've seen a lot of creatures seduced by that machine
and they fall prey to the selfie moment, the big picture moment.
I get that next to the creature, I get beyond this flyer, I get to be with the Houshia of
the Kingdom Zoo and like, yes, but are you, are you making heaven?
You know, you made it to the conference, but we only make it heaven by living pure, living
the truth, living what God said.
And so I put out posts all the time and I realized, wow, my light count goes down when
I tell the truth.
It does.
It's like, wow, if I post something fluffy and nice and all Pinteresty, everybody's liking
it, but if I post about holiness and purity, nobody's liking it.
So I asked my editor.
So if you look at all my videos now, I'm like, hey, can we put like the good news at the
beginning and then start again with the bad news?
So you see this big highlight at the beginning, everybody wants to watch and then it forces
them to have to watch the whole message.
So that's what I mean by, I think we can still be wise as servants with the systems of the
world that only celebrate you for towing the common orthodox.
And that's really where the danger of the seductive spirit of the world with diversity
has entered into the church.
We say, well, we want more women, we want more men, we want more men because we want diversity
of thought.
And then at the end of it, look at it and it's not diversity of thought, it's conformity
of thought.
And everybody's all thinking the same with the church.
We've kind of tried to toe that line with our own religious affinity of diversity only
to end up with conformity.
And so what do we do then?
We all just have to go back to the Holy Spirit and switch off our favorite Christian media
programs for a season and step back into the firm and hear what God is after saying.
Bro, what you said, again, you dropped these things that if we follow the metric of like,
we will end up like Saul.
And that's just so crazy because, you know, I think here's where it comes down to.
And I appeal and you're making this appeal to anyone that has a microphone, whether you're
in a pulpit or whether you're at Google or rather you're in a classroom or wherever your
office place, your Starbucks, because you really have a choice of being a catalyst or
a chameleon.
And I remember in high school, I think we studied this thing about a catalyst is that
it is this element that actually forces everything else to change around it without itself undergoing
a change based on the environment surrounding it.
Surrounders you place it in, which is the exact opposite of a chameleon, a type of lizard
that takes on the hue, the color, even sometimes the temperature of the atmosphere is placed
it in.
And you're right.
And what the goal of being popular sometimes, whether it's from your pulpit or on your social
media accounts is it's turned what should have been a catalyst into a chameleon.
And you can get a lot of likes, but you can get so many likes, you don't realize you've
left the light trying to be light.
Wow.
Oh my goodness, bro, little bro.
Hey man, for the respect of your time, because so many things we can hit, what do you feel
in terms of what is God seeing prophetically in 2024?
I know for you that's going to be a huge long later down the road, probably series of messages,
a theme of conferences, everything, but in a nutshell, what is something that you felt
like maybe on that flight back you were pressing in?
What do you feel like God is saying to us, the body of Christ for 2024?
Wow.
I can tell you a part of the prophecy that the Lord gave me.
The custodianship of nations really being transferred to earth in 2024 because agendas
are being set and we're coming into that Psalm two time, but the nations are conspiring
against the Lord.
And if we're not careful, we will fall into the temptation of think God's eyes are on
the elections again, not on the elect and the weight has shifted.
And now what that means for the elect is we have to upgrade ourselves to a level to which
we have capacity to relegate figure states as traditional.
And what I mean by that is Joseph had so worked out his governance strategy that by
the time he was gone, Pharaoh was a traditional figure head of state.
He was a tourist attraction and a face on a coin by the time Joseph had finished.
Same thing with Nehemiah.
When Cyrus asked Nehemiah, what do you want?
Blanchett moment, put anything you want there.
Nehemiah didn't, I'm an R. I think today's generation, if a philanthropist or a benefactor
or a ruler was to come to us and say, what do you need?
We wouldn't have an answer.
Nehemiah had a pre-pair, pre-plan.
I thought you'd never ask.
Here's one I made earlier kind of answer.
To the question.
And so I think the church needs to prepare its answer.
I think it needs to prepare its solution for nations.
I think we need to stop asking ourselves, well, how do I govern my church and start
asking how to re govern the nation?
How if we were the leaders, if we were the MPs, if we were the ones fixing our streets,
what would they look like?
Because we're switching from realm of the anointing to the realm of the glory and we're
not leaving the anointing to enter the glory.
We're switching into an understanding of the glory.
I feel the anointing.
I don't feel the glory.
Moses didn't know that his face was shining.
That means when you're in a glory season, you don't know you switched.
The only way to know you switch into a glory season, the Lord showed me, was when Isaiah
61 says, Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Lord is among me.
Me, chlorophyll, I did broken hearted, depressed, down and out, heavy, suicidal, captive, imprisoned,
all of those people are victims.
Every single one of the people in Isaiah 61, not one of them is a champ.
All of them go to Isaiah 60, the chapter 4, rise and shine, and light's come, glory and
glory, glory and glory.
I'm a king, princess, nobles, rulers, all of these people are victims.
So in the glory, God starts to change your audience from problems to solutions.
And when He shifts your audience to those kinds of people, you have to learn like Nehemiah
to prepare your ask.
You have to learn like Joseph to prepare your seven-year strike.
I believe that we're now in that time because I do believe a famine is coming.
I do believe something is coming in the next few years.
I've held true to that word for what gave me about the seven years, nine years, eight years,
seven years. I do believe so coming. But if God tells Joseph something is coming, Joseph decides
to build a strategy around that, not to just sit and wait for it to happen to him. God gives us
a heads up so that we can rule better. And so I think we're waiting to do all our ruling and
reigning in heaven. God's like, why wait on heaven when you do all of it down here? Oh, my goodness.
I love that because I'm always one of these guys, maybe to a fault. I don't know. But I felt like
I've been in circles where it's been. And I talked about this recently at a prophetic gathering that
when King Joe Asher was in the room with Elijah, he was afraid. He says, oh, my father, my father,
the chariots of Israel and the horsemen, he's so concerned about the war outside from the Syrians
and the Aramaians. He didn't know who he was in the room with. This dude a little bit later down the
road would die. His bones would bring revival. But in the room there in that passage, it says,
that the prophet put his hands on him. And so my whole thing is what I love what you're saying
about now getting strategies, being ready to be a voice in the midst of it. It's like, hey, tough
times are coming, but we're meant to be the head and not the tail in the midst of that. We should
have something that we should be ready that we could be that voice. We could be Joseph in the
midst of the famine. And I love that because what I end up saying is, Joe Ash, King Joe Asher is in
this room with Elijah and his war out there. I said, he was so concerned, if you will, about
World War three out there that he didn't know he was in the room with the third great awakening
right now. And I feel like it's all, it's all a shift of where you're going to put your focus.
Tell me, so I love that man of just because the thing is, is that I want to ask a tology. I want
a belief system. And I feel like it's God that is going to get me into the great commission
every single day when I wake up. It causes me to feel like it's not the day to run and hide.
You know, my mentor would make this phrase and I love it. He said, in times aren't happening to
believers, believers are happening to the end times. And that's what I hear you saying, man. Hey,
I want to be respectful of your time. You've already told people why you should come to momentum 2024,
January 18th through the 20th. And we're going to have Tony here. He's going to, he's going to be
the only one that's going to speak two sessions. But let me ask you this, how can people listening
right now get in contact with you? What schools, what conferences, books, socials, anything, man,
because I know that people have heard what you're sharing, bro. And as the rock used to say, I could
smell what you're cooking. And man, they love it. It's a savory scent. How can we follow you, bro?
Well, they can touch me on all my social media, which is my name and then tell me around me.com,
which is my personal website that we root to every other website. But you know, I just want to say
why should people come to momentum? I think that every January we make our New Year's
Revolution. And we always talk about, well, this year, I'm doing this year, this year,
I've discovered every time my life is changed, it's not because of the New Year's resolution,
because of the New Year's revelation. And I think if you're going to start your January right,
you don't need a resolution or a revelation. And momentum is going to be that place where
a ton of amazing speakers are going to be sharing revelation and strategy, which the Lord told me
strategy is going to be more important than products and ministry and service. If you get the
right strategy, you're going to succeed in an end 24. And so my whole word has been strategy,
strategy, strategy, strategy, strategy, strategy, strategy, strategy, strategy, strategy, strategy,
because one of the words for apostle, there's three words for apostle in the Bible, bishop or
episcopate, there's apostolo, which is apostol. There's one very few people know about it,
it's called the stratiori. It's where apostle Paul said the weapons of our warfare, that word
stratiori means apostolic mission. It's where we get the word strategy from, which is where we
get the word general from. So generals are there to give us strategy. I was watching the, on the
plane back, I was watching the World War II and color on Netflix, because I'm a big history buff,
I love history. I was checking it out. And you know, every war that was won by Hitler was won
the right general. Every war that was lost was lost because of the wrong strategy and putting
the wrong general on the wrong place. And so you actually realize the apostolic is going to be so
crucial to the next few years we're coming into. So crucial that the level of divine intelligence
that God is going to have to put on the apostolic mission to make it something that people actually
have verbs in their sentences and know exactly what to do. Like for instance, I don't want to
spend too long on this, but I'm working with a guy in our Gossian school that is basically
teaching everybody how to turn their back garden into a farm called Gossians of God. And he's doing
this thing that I call ground hacking. I call it ground hacking because he's managed to, you know,
I didn't know it takes days or months for vegetables to grow, but years for fruit to grow. I mean,
you're talking like 10, 20 years for one fruit. I didn't know that I was mind blown by that fact.
And he said, but you can actually, you can actually get a mature root and you can hack it by cutting
it in half and in grafting a baby onto the, onto the mature root. And it tricks it to think that
it's mature and it starts producing fruit in a year to three years. I was like, isn't that just the
story of us in Christ being grafted root, how we're in grafted on the branch? Number one.
And number two, I was like, wow, I said to the internet, I said, wow, like we have computer
hackers. You're like a round hacker. You've hacked the earth. You've hacked nature, you know, and
he started laughing and all of a sudden the Holy Spirit spoke to me and he said, we're coming into
a net big crisis of cybersecurity and we're going to see lights off in major cities around the world.
We're just going to see a blackout attack. And the people that are going to survive are going to
be the people who understand agrarian cultures, farming cultures, land culture. You know,
everybody else is going to panic because supermarkets are going to shut down because trucks can't
drive because there's no lights, there's no electricity, there's no petrol. But the people
who understand the time and the season we're stepping into are so going to build their own
self-sustaining economy that it's really not going to affect what's happening around the world because
they've already developed in themselves. That's why Goshen is so important. Goshen was a self-sustaining
economy in the midst of a failing economy. Goshen was thriving, property market rising, farming
thriving, everything thrived in Goshen whilst everything else failed in Egypt.
Hey, I'm just going to say, anybody listening right now, you need to go right now to
SeanandChristasmith.com, get your registration. We've got discount of you bringing in more than
10 people, but man, you do not want to miss it. Tell me, bro, you just got back from Hungary.
You, man, have jumped on this podcast and dropped such a revelation, man. We so appreciate you.
We can't wait to see you in January, man. Thanks so much for jumping on, keep it 100.
Much love to you. Give our love to Tay-Mart, man and the fam. We adore you guys, bro.
Thank you. Love you too. Thanks for having me.
All right, bro. Blessings.
Oh my gosh.
I don't even know how you get revelation like that. That's not even fair.
I always feel like I have to go get on my face every time I hear,
tell me, the man is profound and truly walks in supernatural revelation.
And I love the fact not only does he walk in deep revelation, she heard, know that,
but last year in his session, he laid hands on everybody in the building.
I just want you to know this isn't just the conference where you're going to come take notes.
That's right.
This is a conference where you're going to receive an impartation and a marking.
That's right.
And this guy comes in and I'm going to tell you, I'll just, I'll just keep it 100.
I don't think you could probably count on your hands how many people were left standing
at the end of Tommy's session when he was laying hands on the glory of the Lord.
So he's bringing that crusade. Anybody knows that kind of talk.
Like he's been in Africa and other continents that he's had massive numbers of people that
have come together in the thousands and he tens of thousands.
And so he understands that authority and that anointing.
And so you just want to get there and be a part of it.
I tell you what, it's so true.
We have so many testimonies from last year from pastors who were really at the end of their line.
They were like, we're done. We're going to quit.
We're going to walk away from pastoring.
They were burned out.
They were in that session.
They got hands laid on them and literally they got revived and viable, then broke out at their churches.
I mean, we're talking, you know, unmeasurable because it's been so incredible,
you know, just significant outpouring and a counter for people that came to that time.
Yes, it was powerful.
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