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Welcome to Keep It 100 Podcast with Sean and Christa Smith.

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Join us in this space where we take on real issues with real insight and real inspiration.

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This podcast is for those not looking for temporary relief to change circumstance, but

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revelation to forever change lives.

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Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of Keep It 100 with Sean and Christa.

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Hey, what's going on everybody?

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We are super excited to have you with us for another episode.

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You know what?

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This is going to be a great conversation.

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Before we dive into the conversation today, we got some really cool gatherings that are

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happening around the nation.

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The first one we wanted to really talk to you about, I'm sure many of you have heard

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about it already, if you've been a part of the Keep It 100 Tribe, is we're doing another

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prophetic masterclass we did one last year in fall of 2022.

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We're now doing another one September 1 and 2 in Bowie, Maryland.

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We're calling this the prophetic masterclass East Coast.

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Yep, it is going to be September 1 and 2.

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You can go to our website, seanandchristasmith.com.

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Christa is going to be speaking.

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I'm going to be speaking.

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We're going to have our great friend, Prof. Julian Adams.

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He's from the Boston area.

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He did such a phenomenal job.

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The guy is deep in the word, has a true just understanding of the prophetic.

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He actually has a school and does a great job.

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So he is as good a quipper as we know and we're super excited.

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You need to get in the room.

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But also, if you're not able to make it out to the East Coast in Bowie, Maryland and Washington,

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DC area, we now have the live stream option.

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We really do.

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And I think, you know, for people to hear, this is more than a gathering.

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The purpose of this is to really activate the prophetic gift in your life.

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For many people, they want to go to the next level in the prophetic gift.

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They've, you know, kind of in the entry level and they're like, hey, I want to go deeper.

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This is for you.

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For others, you're like, I love the prophetic.

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I'm around the prophetic.

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And I see people move in the prophetic.

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And I think, man, I wish I could move like that.

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This is for you.

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This is for wherever you're at in your prophetic journey, we're honestly going to have something

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for you.

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And this is going to go from a foundational, fundamental teaching to advanced teachings.

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And we really want to get people equipped in the area of the gift of prophecy.

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So don't miss this two day extensive teaching where you're going to be learning how to hear

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the voice of God.

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You're going to step into a new dimension of sensitivity, the Holy Spirit.

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And you're going to learn how to prophesy with greater confidence.

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And I believe this will be a marking time for you as well.

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So don't miss it.

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Hey, this episode, we're going to be talking, we're going to have an interview later on

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with Heath King and we'll kind of tee that up for you in a moment.

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But we're one of the things that we're kind of wanting to address and kick around a little

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bit is the whole aspect of our life as a worship under God and purposely and intentionally

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living with verticality.

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And so when we talk about living vertically, I think a good place to start and I was thinking

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about this is King Hezekiah Christa.

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And the thing about King Hezekiah like is that he was a king that brought revival.

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One of the best revivals in the book of Chronicles in the, I think it's the second Chronicles

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in the Old Testament.

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Hezekiah had brought revival after several kings that there were some bad kings in that

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had really brought the nation of Israel down.

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And the verse says something like this.

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And again, we're talking about vertical Christianity versus horizontal Christianity.

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And it says in second Chronicles 31 21, speaking of Hezekiah, we know that he organized proper

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temple leadership, got the priest right.

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He restored the celebration of the Passover.

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He cleans and restore temple worship.

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He opened up the temple doors and it says in second Chronicles 31 21 says, and in every

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work that he began in the service of the house of God and in the law and in the commandments

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to seek his God, and he did it with all his heart and prospered.

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And it's, you see right there, King Hezekiah understood the importance of the vertical

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relationship first and foremost.

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And then the horizontal plane falls into place.

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Previous kings, it did political alliances and essentially it's kind of the, you want

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to bring it into the New Testament.

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It's the political spirit, but it made the horizontal and the moment they made the horizontal,

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the be all in all, they fell into idolatry.

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They fell into kind of compromising relationships with pagan nations.

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And I kind of feel like this part of establishing the verticality is so important.

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You know, it really is.

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We have to understand that, you know, vertical, a vertical worship is more than songs being

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sung on a Sunday morning.

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Vertical worship is a lifestyle and we really see this, you know, in this portion of scripture

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says, therefore, brethren, I implore you by the mercies of God to offer your bodies as

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a living sacrifice that is holy and acceptable to God, a spiritual act of worship.

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And I love that that's Romans 12, one.

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And that portion of scripture really captures that our lives are a living sacrifice.

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And that means we are not, we're in the world, but we're not of the world.

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We live a life that is vertically focused with vertical adoration, vertical surrender,

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that God gets the full glory for our lives and that our lives are not compartmentalized,

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but a, but truly an offering before the Lord as we live our lives, we get the privilege

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that everything that we do is for his glory.

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And so when we understand that we have the opportunity to be a living sacrifice, one

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that brings adoration and honor to God, what a joy that we get to worship more than a song.

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We get to worship in our lifestyle.

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So true.

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And you know, I think you can take this even another step further.

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I think there are times even in my life where all of a sudden the horizontal, you know, being

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a minister, you're ministering to people, you're serving people, you're meeting the needs of

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people that sometimes you can get an imbalance and maybe to someone else, maybe it's your

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job, maybe it's your hobby, maybe it's a relationship, maybe it's your pet, maybe it's whatever.

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But those kinds of things, you just get so busy with the horizontal that all of a sudden

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you get an imbalance in your life.

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When you get that imbalance, all of a sudden it can lead to burnout.

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It could lead to you becoming distant from God.

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It could lead to you.

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Literally, as we've seen this quite often, the enemy begins to piggyback on that and

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begins to cause people to go through a season.

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You kind of get, you lose your peace.

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There's anxiety.

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There's essentially, there's so many, I would say consequences that when we're not living

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with that vertical intentionality that God is first and it's got to be that way.

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And the cool thing is I'm starting to see that in church.

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I think for a while, even the way we did church, it becomes so horizontal.

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We were kind of treating the people in our community as a demographic.

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We were bringing them in and all of a sudden kind of offering a service like they were

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consumers and all of that stuff.

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But now you're beginning to see, I'd say post pandemic and just certain churches that you're

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beginning to see a verticality restore that, hey, this thing is about loving Jesus.

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This thing is about worship under God.

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This thing is about appearance, simple devotion.

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And as we've been doing a lot of Gen Z stuff, really this emerging generation is hungry

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to really have an authentic connection to Jesus.

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They want to know his heart.

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And when you begin to realize that, hey, Christianity isn't about pleasing you, it's about pleasing

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him because when you begin to please you, you're going to begin to please man.

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And the moment you put man, a man pleasing spirit over a God pleasing spirit, then all

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of a sudden the horizontal has replaced the vertical.

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And we know the cross, there was a vertical aspect of one of the wood pieces, obviously

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was vertical, almost over his honor.

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We know there is a horizontal aspect that we serve others that we fulfill the great commission,

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but that has to come secondary.

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And I think the verse is in when Jesus called the disciples to be with him, then he sent

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them out to do ministry.

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But the first thing is he called them to be with them.

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And so part of the question begs is really keep 100 tribe in each of us.

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How vertical is your Christianity right now?

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That's so good.

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How much is Jesus, the focus and the motivation and the heart and the fuel and the be all

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and all that Jesus is, this isn't a means to an end.

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I'm doing the Jesus thing so I can get blessed Jesus thing.

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So what I'm putting my hands to will be prospered, but that Jesus is the be all end all.

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I love that because I think your question makes us recognize of how much self we have

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in our Christianity, that if we're going to have a vertical worship, lifestyle, if our

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worship for Jesus is going to be in our life and devotion to Jesus is going to be fully

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vertical, the self part of us has to truly that flesh must die.

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And there must be that full surrender, we have to die to self and that's not an option.

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It really is a requirement to be a follower of Jesus.

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And I think if we understand truly to live vertically is that we understand that we live

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for the kingdom of God, that that's our highest allegiance.

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That's our highest alliance is the kingdom of God.

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And we've aligned ourselves with so many other things right in this world.

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We've aligned ourselves maybe with a political party or we've aligned ourselves, you know,

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with things that don't have eternal gain or value, but we have to recognize that we have

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to be about kingdom above all.

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And you've even addressed this on a racial level that you're like above being African

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American, you are a child of God, you're for the kingdom of God above being white or Scottish

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French Irish that I am.

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It's like above all those things above my ethnicity.

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I'm a child of God and our allegiance must be to the kingdom of God because that's truly

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the highest alliance, but that is a lifestyle and even a mentality of verticality.

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Wow.

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I mean, that is true.

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And it really gets down to that.

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And I think it's not the popularized version of Christianity today.

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A popularized version of Christianity is horizontal.

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I want music that makes me feel good.

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I like the beat.

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I like the song.

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I want to sing songs that kind of my playlist and I get it.

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Hey, you know, there's a little bit of that that we're always going to glean towards songs

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that we feel that are aesthetically, you know, in terms of the listening quality better.

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But at the end of the day, we got to say, does that lift up Jesus?

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And right now I think there's a redefinition in a good way because there's been a bad definition

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in the past.

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And the bad definition is, hey, you follow Jesus on your own terms, but the Bible talks

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about in Matthew 16, 24, Jesus told his disciples, whoever wants to be my disciple must deny

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themselves, take up their cross and follow me.

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So Jesus is defining what does it mean to follow him?

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To follow him doesn't mean that, you know, and this is the horizontal version is that,

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hey, I wear Christian gear.

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Hey, I'll identify.

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I'll put a little handle on one of my social media.

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I'll do a little Christian post time to time.

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I'll let people know I'm listening to this worship group and that group.

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Jesus said to follow him is not a social media move.

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He's saying it is a deny yourself, take up your cross move.

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And that's getting your Christianity back to the vertical place because taking up your

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cross, you have to understand there is a cross for you to carry that Jesus died on the cross,

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but you still have to pick up the cross.

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And that part of that cross, I believe is to a certain extent dying to that horizontal

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being the ultimate priority of my life and coming back to it's about Jesus first.

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It's about his heart.

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And I think there's a lot of people and, you know, we talk to people like that.

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We've prayed through stuff in our own lives and that because we certainly don't have it

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together, but I think when you're getting offended a lot, it's kind of proof that the

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horizontal is eclipsing the vertical.

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When you get overly hurt as it relates to people letting you down in the church.

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And so all of a sudden you fall out as it relates to the church in general.

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I'm not talking about a particular church.

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I'm talking about the church universal of the Lord Jesus Christ.

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When you begin to do it, it's proof that the horizontal eclipsed the vertical because we

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have to understand he's a chief shepherd and his word calls us to stay in connection.

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And at the end of the day, Jesus is coming back for a bride.

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He's coming back for a bride and you want to be a part of that bride.

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And he tells us how that looks and that means to stay in community, stay in connection.

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So it's honoring that vertical over the horizontal.

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And there's even a vertical narrative, which is Bible biblical worldview and a horizontal

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narrative of how people are telling you what's right, what's what you should do, how you

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should think, but the vertical is what you said.

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Really it was also in Dennis back to that worship.

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You know, I'm really excited for this conversation today because I just feel like it's such a

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great segue into what really is important and what we're talking about today with Heath

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King, just an incredible worship leader.

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We're bringing them out for a momentum night, August 25th.

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And it's just, it's just going to be such a powerful time with him.

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But I love this conversation.

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It's going to be kind of a part two of what you and I have just talked about.

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So keep it 100 tribe, get ready, because it's such a powerful conversation between Sean

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and Heath.

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Hey, keep it 100 tribe.

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You guys are going to be so blessed.

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We got Heath King here.

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Heath, what's going on, man?

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Nothing much.

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How are you?

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Hey, I'm doing good.

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I'm doing good, bro.

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Man, what's going on in Florida, man?

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What you doing?

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It's hot, but it's good.

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Just been busy with church things here, traveling, doing some shows around town because I'm into

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theater and the arts community as well.

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So just been busy doing all of that, but it's good.

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Hey, I love that.

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I love that, man.

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For our listeners, man, Heath and I, we met at a Power and Love conference with a mutual

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friend of ours, Todd White.

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And we were out there, help me out.

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We're in Pennsylvania.

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Is that right?

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I think we're in Pennsylvania.

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Green.

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Pennsylvania.

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And we did a Power and Love.

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We trained and quit people and Heath led and worship.

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And the moment he did, keep it 100 tribe, I stood up and I got, oh my goodness, this

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brother is annoying it.

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He's the real deal, man.

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It was powerful and we got connected there and we're going to have him out coming up

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here August 25th in Oakland, California.

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Oh, Tom.

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Yeah.

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So excited.

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Come on, bro.

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And we're going to have a worship and flow night and Heath is going to lead us and he's

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going to be worshiping and flowing and Kristen and I are going to get up.

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So we invite you.

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It's a free event.

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You guys can go to our website, Sean and Chris, the Smith.com, get any information

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you need on that.

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Heath, you were saying you're in the arts.

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Man, that is so important because this generation, you know, you're Gen Z, man.

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It is such, I think at this point in time, something that God is highlighting is he's

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breathing on the arts, that prophetic inclination in a generation.

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Obviously you sing.

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What else do you do in the area of arts, bro?

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So I'm a performer at Disney World.

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Nice.

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So I do a show.

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I do find an Nemo.

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I'm one of the Blowfish character.

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I am the Blowfish character.

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But then I also do a show during the holiday season called Joyful and it's a gospel celebration

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of the season in Epcot.

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And so we're getting ready to kick that off about the end of October, beginning of November.

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And that's literally, I mean, we're singing, you know, gospel songs for Christmas and we'd

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lift up the name of Jesus in Epcot.

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So that's fun.

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But for now, those are the two shows that I kind of juggle between throughout the year.

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Oh man, dude, I love that.

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I love that you're expressing that.

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You get a chance to do all that.

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Hey, Heath, one of the things we love to do, man, to keep it 100, bro.

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We love to find out origin stories, man.

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So give us your origin story and it could be, you know, how did Jesus make the kingdom

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real to you?

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How the miraculous power of Jesus or how you got saved, whatever.

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But give us your origin story, bro.

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Awesome.

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Yes, sir.

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So I am born and raised here in Orlando, Florida.

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All of my family's here.

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I'm, well, I'll be 24 soon, but I'm 23 now.

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I've been leading worship and in church my whole life, but I started leading worship

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when I was eight.

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My grandmother was a pastor.

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My mom is a worship pastor.

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So I kind of juggle between two different churches kind of growing up.

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One was more old school.

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One was a little bit more modern or new school, if you will.

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And so I juggle between the two of those throughout my life and church just is what I, you know,

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I love to do.

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I love to play church, you know, in the garage and things like that.

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And my grandmother, my grandmother, she cultivated or she let me cultivate my space for me in

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the garage and it became like my just like safe haven and music studio.

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I used to want to be a pastor.

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So I said, you know, this was, I had a church name and everything.

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And I just lived out there.

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You know, if I wasn't at school, I was in the garage or if I wasn't in the garage, I

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was at a church service.

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And so I just, you know, used to just spend all my time in there and seek God.

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And although sometimes it was plain, it did get real many times.

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You know, as a young boy, I would just see things in church and I would mimic that in

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the garage and pray that the same encounter that we had in church will hit the garage.

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And sometimes it really did.

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And so, yeah, I feel like for me, that's kind of how it started.

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I would say that as a young boy, obviously growing up in church, I've known the Lord

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my whole life until I don't have like a crazy story of running away and having to find God

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again necessarily.

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But my biological father was not present in my life.

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He left when I was age of three.

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And so because of that, I battled with a lot of identity problems and I battled with rejection

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and depression.

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And a lot of things that I didn't know was because of that until about 2019.

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We were in Hawaii.

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I was traveling with Eddie James at the time and we were singing one of his songs called

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Abba.

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And a young man shared his testimony about coming home and finding his father dead in

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the bedroom.

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And when he shared that testimony, I literally broke and I ran out the church because for

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so long I had to carry this weight of me not having my father in my life.

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And for a long time, I thought I was like, oh, I will be okay if he died.

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Like, if something was to happen to him, I'll be okay.

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Like we don't have a relationship.

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I just thought I was okay and I would tell myself I was okay.

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You need to reach out.

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But he also wasn't doing his part either.

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that night.

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And I sent him a long message, kind of just releasing him and forgiving him and just letting

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go of that weight.

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And as the more I typed, the more I felt lifted and freer.

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And I found my identity again and got that night.

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And so I would say for that moment, it was kind of like a recommitment moment.

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So like I said, I never left church throughout that time, I was just leading worship but

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battling secretly.

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And so until that moment, it became real to me again.

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And so yeah, I would say that's kind of like my origin story, if you will.

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Bro, number one, to go back home in your garage and bro, turn it into a sanctuary and bro,

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play church, but you got to know from heaven's perspective, man, Father God was looking down,

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smiling on you, angels was joining in that.

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But as you were sharing that moment when you grew up, your dad not being in position and

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stepping out.

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And then that point of you just reaching out to him, forgiving him, releasing him.

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That is such a huge thing.

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Obviously, we have such a fabulous generation, orphan generation, the Old Testament canon,

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which means Old Testament scriptures closes out by saying that the spirit of Elijah would

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come again, turn the hearts of fathers to children, turn them to fathers.

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And for you to have that moment, man, and that was just a profound thing.

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Like from that point on, would you say, man, Father God became that much more real to you

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and you experienced more Father God's pleasure over your life, healing.

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Obviously, you addressed that, but just in the area of his feltness of his presence,

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identity, and just being feeling freer.

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Would you say that's the case?

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Because for a long time, like I said, I've been leading worship, I was eight.

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And so at this point, I was like 19, going on 20.

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And so from then to I was 19, I had been carrying this weight and this just like I was depressed.

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But I wasn't talking about it.

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I would still get up and I would sing and I would declare healing and break through over

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the room and people would be, lives would be changed and the yolks were being destroyed

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and things were happening.

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But in reality, I was like inside, nothing was happening for me.

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And so I would go home many times and I'm like, Lord, I see you're doing it for others.

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You're using me mightily in church.

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You're using me mightily different places where I go.

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And I would come home and I'll just be broken or I believe the platform still feeling broken.

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And so then that night, like I said, so much of that was released off to me.

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Even when I started traveling with Eddie earlier that earlier that year, 2019 is when I started,

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I was singing for a long time.

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We were singing every night, day in, day out, and we were declaring this same song over

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and over again to everyone.

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You know, we were everywhere we went.

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We were releasing about Abba being father.

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And I, you know, again, I was still numb to my earthly father until that one night when

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it became real to me.

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So absolutely, I felt his love again.

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I felt like a new perspective.

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He gave me like new perspective.

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And even now, although my father, his response wasn't what I thought it would be.

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We still don't have a relationship, but I love him.

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I am, I don't have hatred in my heart towards him.

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I can smile about the situation now.

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Like it doesn't bring me sadness anymore.

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So yeah, the whole thing just kind of that moment shifted the whole situation for me.

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So yeah.

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Hey man, that's profile dude.

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And I know there are people listening that that would really minister to them.

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Hey, that might even be a challenge for them to reach out to their biological father or

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paternal figure in their life, man, to make sure those things are right.

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Hey, let me throw something else at you.

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How did you discover your spiritual gift, your musical giftings and predilections?

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How did that come about for you, bro?

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So like I said, I grew up in church.

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So with my grandmother's church, specifically, I did a little bit of everything.

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My grandmother had me on the usherboard.

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I was in MIT, which they don't really do anymore, but I was a part of ministers and training.

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I played drums for a little bit.

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And my grandmother, my mother too, but my grandmother was very supportive of whatever

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I wanted to do.

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And so if I said I want to play drums, she went to a garage sale and found a drum kit

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and brought it home.

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If I said I wanted to play piano, I had a piano out there.

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I had a guitar, had a bass, had an acoustic guitar, had it all out there.

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I don't play none of them, but there was a little season in church where I tried drums

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a little bit.

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I was singing.

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I was dancing on the team.

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And I was preaching by the time I was like seven or eight, giving little sermonettes

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on some Sundays.

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And although I feel like I shy away from that now, but back then I was just all in.

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I just knew, I was like, I don't know what it is I want to do fully, but I know it involves

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the Lord and I know it involves something in the house of God.

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And so I just did it all.

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I was dancing with the dance team.

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If I needed to be a junior deacon and take up the offer, I did that.

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I just did it all because I knew that whatever I wanted to do.

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And so like I said, I would go home and there's some videos out there on YouTube and such

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of me at home, just in my room.

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I have a room like this now, but back then I was little.

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And so I would be in my room with my bears or my cars.

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We were having church and my church name used to be tearing down the walls of Jericho International

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Ministries.

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And I had this whole idea.

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But I knew whatever I was going to do in life, it had like it revolved around the Lord and

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it was something in church.

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And then like I said, around eight or nine, I started leading worship more consistently.

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And I found my passion, I believe fully there.

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I still love all the arts.

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I love going to dance conferences.

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I love, you know, getting to minister in different areas, pertaining the arts still too.

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But worship leading kind of just, I guess also being in choir and school kind of maybe

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find my passion in singing.

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And so that became more the forefront of what I was doing.

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I still, you know, would tink around on the piano or play drums from time to time.

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Don't ask me to do it now because it's not good.

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But like I was still exploring their options, but I realized sooner or later that leading

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and singing was more so the main part of my gifting.

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And so I've been doing that since then.

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And then I started leading at my mother's church.

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Like I said, she's a worship pastor at our home church here in Orlando.

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And so kind of just being raised up between my grandmother, who was a pastor, my mom,

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a worship pastor, they kept me in church.

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And I, you know, I loved it.

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I wanted to be in church.

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Like I didn't want to play sports.

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I didn't want to do anything.

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If the church doors are open or if my grandma was going to a service, I was right there

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with them.

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And I believe just by doing that, it just cultivated the gift that I have now.

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That's amazing.

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You know, in spiritual gifts discovery, he, as you know, some point in time, any of us

466
00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:47,640
that we, whatever it is that God has graced us to do, we begin to develop a passion for

467
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it.

468
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,600
You were describing that you wanted to be that you begin to step out and some people, when

469
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they first step into something, they may not be particularly as good, but there's something

470
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in them that they want to continually do.

471
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And then at a certain point in time, you just feel the presence of God when you're doing

472
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,320
what it is that you've been gifted to do that you're mantle to do.

473
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:11,000
And then obviously there comes a point where other people who have authority who understand

474
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they begin to confirm.

475
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,920
So when you first sang in that choir, did somebody go, Oh my God, he, man, you got a

476
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,880
voice or you got a gift or you have potential son.

477
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,320
How did, how did that happen?

478
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,280
You know, that's funny because I listened to videos now during like when I was younger

479
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,920
and I'm like, I sounded a mess.

480
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,440
Like, why don't you guys let me know?

481
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:30,840
Like, why did you let me sing?

482
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,000
But I would say going back to that time, I think when at first I was probably around

483
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,360
10 or 11 and our praise team at my mother's church, our youth praise team, we had, we

484
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:41,400
would do like youth Sundays.

485
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And around this time I was kind of, well, this might have been around like 13, 14, I

486
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:50,760
was headed into high school and we were, our youth team would sing and there was one particular

487
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:51,760
service.

488
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I'll never forget it.

489
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And sometimes I still go back and watch it because it's on YouTube, but there was one

490
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,760
particular service.

491
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It was around like Easter time, but it was youth Sunday, but it wasn't on Easter, but

492
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,480
it was around that time and our youth praise team we sung.

493
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,480
And when we didn't, my pastor couldn't preach like nothing else could happen during service

494
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,880
because the spirit of God was moving so strong.

495
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We could not get past this moment.

496
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,680
And just to see like the, us being used by God like that, it really impacted my life.

497
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,800
And I always go back to that moment and watch that video every so often because for me,

498
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,360
it's a reminder of just like why I do what I do.

499
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,680
And I've been forever marked by that moment.

500
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,600
And so I would say because of moments like that, they keep the, you know, even now they

501
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,080
keep me going or I go back to those moments when I need like a reminder or a refresher.

502
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,320
I'm so grateful for YouTube because they're still on there.

503
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,320
And so, yeah, I would say moments like that are what marked it.

504
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,400
Yes, people would say, he, you can sing, you're great.

505
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,680
You do this, but those for me, because especially when I've listened to videos, I'm like, Oh,

506
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,120
okay, well, you know, if you say I'm good, I'm good.

507
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:49,400
But moments like in the presence of Lord like that are really what marked me.

508
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,720
And so, bro, that is so profound.

509
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,680
Just that saying that, and then receiving that kind of affirmation.

510
00:25:54,680 --> 00:26:00,840
Hey, you know, it's leading worship and you're, you're gifted and you've had Eddie James,

511
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,120
great friend of ours, Kristen and I, and he's just an amazing worship leader.

512
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:08,520
I can't even take this decades ago, we did some stuff together.

513
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,440
He had the team out here in California.

514
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,960
We were actually a south of us in Fresno.

515
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,520
And then we immediately clicked and we've done a lot of stuff since that time.

516
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,680
But how important is purity of heart?

517
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,040
Let's say, let's be specific in leading people into the presence of God.

518
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,800
Like how important is that as a worship leader in terms of what you look for in others and

519
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,000
what you can tend for and hold a standard up in your own life?

520
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,000
Yeah.

521
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:39,200
Well, for me, when I was studying this question, you sent it, I wrote down that purity is what

522
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,840
allows entrance into the presence of God.

523
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,000
And so we see that in Matthew five and eight, one that says, bless are the pure and heart

524
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,000
facial, see God.

525
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,360
We see it in Psalms 24, around the verse three, when it says, who shall ascend into the hill

526
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:52,920
of the Lord, those who have clean hands and a pure heart.

527
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,520
And I love Psalms 24 and the passion translation.

528
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,520
I just want to read it.

529
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,560
It says, who then is allowed to ascend to the mountain of Yahweh and who has the privilege

530
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,160
of entering God's holy place.

531
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,240
Those who are clean, whose works and ways are pure, whose hearts are true and sealed by

532
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,560
truth who those who never deceived those whose words are sure.

533
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:15,080
And so as a worship leader, it is our job to make worship accessible to the church.

534
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,920
And I feel like we sometimes do a bad job by putting these unrealistic expectations on

535
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:25,320
people to perform and to commit and to like be obey and just expect them to be holy.

536
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,560
When in reality, we should be accepting them where they are.

537
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,360
And as long as their worship is sincere and transparent, it's pure to God.

538
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:35,280
And so I believe that's the kind of purity that allows us to enter into the presence

539
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,280
of God.

540
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,760
And then even as a worship leader, leading a team, sometimes we put again, those same,

541
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,480
I don't want to say unrealistic expectations on our team members, but we just expect people

542
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,160
to be perfect.

543
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,040
And in reality, of course, we know that nobody is, although we all strive to be.

544
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:55,520
And so it's our job in the house and on our team to create a culture of us leaning into,

545
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,120
trusting into and looking, trying to look after, look like Christ.

546
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,440
And so it should just really be our desire, I believe that in a, to wrap it up, purity

547
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,920
for us to really be our desire to be more like him all around.

548
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:06,920
And so, yeah,

549
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:07,920
I love that, man.

550
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,440
I love that answer, you know, especially that scripture is one of my kind of life scripture.

551
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,880
Bless of the pure and heart for those see God that Lord says, he spoke to me one time.

552
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,880
He said, son, if you'll take care of the purity of your heart, I'll take the clarity of your

553
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,520
revelation of me.

554
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,440
And I think we've seen, you know, we're not here to put anybody on blast or anything like

555
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,840
that because we all need grace.

556
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,800
And I love that you hit that where it's not about perfection.

557
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,120
It's about progression.

558
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:37,040
Christ is our perfection when I look like him, but we've seen, you know, some, some people,

559
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:42,960
they're gifting their ability to lead worship, their platform outgrew their, their purity,

560
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:48,720
their, as you would say, their, their, their, you know, that place in their lives where

561
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,040
they look like Jesus.

562
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,560
And, you know, you don't like to see that, but something happens.

563
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,080
And we all have had that contrast where maybe we, you know, listen to worship, we go, oh,

564
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,200
something doesn't feel right.

565
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,360
But then one of the things when I heard you lead worship, we've got a great worship leader

566
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,240
we're associated with out here, Chris Alderjuice Day.

567
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,240
And I give him a shout out that there's certain worship leaders that this is the thing.

568
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,160
There's a, you feel clean.

569
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,160
They feel clean.

570
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,600
There's a cleanest about them.

571
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,120
And when that happens, I believe what happens is it's, it's like, it's a thinness in the

572
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,120
air.

573
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,520
And I hope people are kind of catching the way I'm trying to describe it is that when,

574
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:28,240
when there's a lack of purity and there's kind of, it doesn't feel clean.

575
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,720
You feel like there's barriers there and worship.

576
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,560
There's so many aspects to worship, man.

577
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,000
I mean, we could, we could talk and write a book on it.

578
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:40,560
But one of it is you're trying to eliminate the barriers between that person you're leading

579
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,560
and the Lord.

580
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,760
And then they get them to ascend that holy hill.

581
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,600
And man, I just believe that's so important.

582
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,080
Like, you know, I think it's so key that you're right.

583
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,040
It's not just on worship leaders.

584
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,560
It's on ministers.

585
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,920
It's on preachers.

586
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,200
It's on everyday us, everyday rank of how believers is the desire.

587
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:05,160
And I feel like that, that purity is our protection, that purity is our likeness unto Jesus, that

588
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,760
purity, you know, when, when Jesus says, Hey, the ruler of this world is being cast down,

589
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:10,760
but he has no hole in me.

590
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,280
In other words, doesn't have any kind of any kind of hook or anything like that.

591
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:20,760
Like again, for you, are you ever in a position where maybe either as you travel out or you

592
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,400
get around different worship teams, that you sense that there's like different convictions

593
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,680
and stuff, not that you're judging them, but you're just right as a while.

594
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,720
I get sense that there's just a difference.

595
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,600
Yeah, I think I definitely could feel that.

596
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,200
And even like you were saying about the congregation, I think us as humans, we can, we just all

597
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,720
can normally recognize when something doesn't feel authentic.

598
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,080
And I feel like that goes back to me saying sometimes I have to, I go back and I watch

599
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,160
videos of me as a young boy because it was pure and it was innocent and it wasn't clouded

600
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,160
by money.

601
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,040
It wasn't clouded by like this is like my job or anything.

602
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,600
It was literally just pure and it was sincere.

603
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,840
I saw, I believe it was Tasha Cobb, she was preaching a sermon about this purity too and

604
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,040
just getting back to the place of where you started.

605
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,880
And I believe if we keep that as a reminder, especially as a leader and the more that we're

606
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,600
exposed to the world and the more that we're exposed to, as God takes us higher and things

607
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,200
like that, it's important for us to keep that reminder of like why we started.

608
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,440
So I always faith in, like I said, I go back and I watch videos sometimes just because

609
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,640
it was pure and like it wasn't tainted.

610
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,920
I hadn't been exposed to the industry or had been exposed to the church.

611
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,400
I was just an innocent boy in the garage worshiping because I just love to do it.

612
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,720
And so I always try to remain in that place and I believe that's why my ministry is how

613
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,640
it is because I always try to remain in that place of this little boy in the garage.

614
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,920
And so every church I enter, every place that I go, no matter if I've been there before,

615
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,080
I've been there 20 times, even at my local assembly.

616
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,920
Now it's just a garage to me.

617
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:45,920
Like it's not about money.

618
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,920
It's not about check.

619
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:47,920
It's just me and the Lord.

620
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,920
And so,

621
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,200
Oh bro, I mean, that is pure man was it Psalms 27.

622
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,200
This one thing that I will desire.

623
00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:01,000
One thing that I asked, I may dwell in the house of the Lord, the temple to behold his

624
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,000
beauty.

625
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,000
Bro, that's, that's so profound.

626
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,880
Hey, we were talking and now I want to bring the listeners in on this.

627
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,600
We were having a conversation just a little bit about kind of the difference of vertical

628
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,120
and horizontal worship.

629
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,760
And what, what do you see is how would you define it?

630
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,880
And what do you give us some examples of what you feel the distinction is between horizontal

631
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,040
and vertical worship?

632
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,040
Yeah.

633
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,640
So I think in a short description, vertical is to God horizontal is about God.

634
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:37,480
And so I think, I think where we go wrong with the horizontal side is we forget that

635
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,920
God is still the center of it and it becomes so much about ourselves that it feels like,

636
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,560
and I think that's why it's so much of a like discussion in the church now because horizontal

637
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,560
worship is biblical.

638
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,520
I wrote it down first Corinthians 14, pretty much that whole kind of chapter.

639
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,440
It gives us instructions on what like vertical, I mean, horizontal worship should look like

640
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,440
it should be mutually edifying conviction of sin.

641
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:04,040
It should encourage love and thanksgiving and witnessing to our unbelievers or others.

642
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,040
And so, but the center of that is still the, our focus is still about God.

643
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:13,200
And so when we go wrong is sometimes as worship leaders, we may hear a song and I can be guilty

644
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,440
of it where we hit this great song on the radio and we're like, oh, this is going to

645
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,720
hit on Sunday morning.

646
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,600
But in reality, like it's just like a kind of like this encouragement to each other, which

647
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,040
is great and it's needed.

648
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,760
But if that consumes our whole set, we lose the focus on God.

649
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,360
And so then I feel like that's why this conversation of vertical and horizontal is so prominent

650
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,920
in the church now, because we're losing that even though we're singing, it may not be exactly

651
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,560
to God, we're still missing the about God element.

652
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,400
And so I believe a great worship service should exemplify both of those.

653
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,440
Our focus should always still be God, whether it's to him or about him, as long as we keep

654
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,200
that the focus, both can happen in a moment.

655
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,080
Man, I tell you, that's probably one of the most profound definitions.

656
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,080
I love that.

657
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,600
Vertical worship is to God.

658
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,040
Horizontal worship is about God.

659
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,960
And just giving us that example.

660
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,160
Man, we were talking about this as well.

661
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,080
And I love this because it has a little bit of, you know, there are going to be some people

662
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,240
that they're going to give them something to think when you say this.

663
00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:19,120
And so we're talking about the balance between the audience of one and the whole aspect of

664
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,240
finding this place where you're bringing the entire room into Jesus.

665
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:27,920
You know, this understanding of community, this understanding of communicating God.

666
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,560
So talk to us about this.

667
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,400
Because obviously what we often hear is worship is the audience of one, the audience of one.

668
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,920
But you had some thoughts on that.

669
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,920
I think it's powerful.

670
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:38,920
Share that with us.

671
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:44,520
Well, because for me as a worship leader, my job is to bring the room together to ascend

672
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,680
like we talked about.

673
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,720
And so if my focus going out the gate is only on the audience of one, I can do that in my

674
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:51,720
room.

675
00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:54,800
But as a worship leader to me is not needed like a, and they were in the corporate setting,

676
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,200
but in the corporate setting, my focus or I can even look at it like this with my praise

677
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,600
team and rehearsal, we sing to the audience of one.

678
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:02,600
That's where we're getting it for us.

679
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,120
That's where we're making sure that God is pleased with us.

680
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,720
In those moments, I may change songs like it could just be because for me, that's maybe

681
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:10,360
where the audience of one element can work.

682
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,040
But in the corporate setting, my job as a worship leader, especially if I leave this local assembly

683
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:20,120
week after week, it is to read the room and understand what's happening week after week

684
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,400
because it's not the same and it's my job to, well, one make way so that the word is

685
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,000
easy when it's time for pastor to get up there.

686
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,320
And so I need to kind of be sensing what's happening.

687
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,680
If I'm only focused on the one, then I'm missing what's needed, what the room needs

688
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,400
the one to do in their lives, if I can say it that way.

689
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,040
And so ultimately when I started Praise Worship set, I mean, yes, again, I'm singing about

690
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,240
God, I'm singing to God, I want to glorify His name.

691
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:47,880
But at the same time, I also am reading and I'm asking the Holy Spirit to guide me because

692
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,320
maybe this song is not need to be sung just yet.

693
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,080
Like maybe we'll get to that in a moment.

694
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,640
And so then once the whole room is on one accord and I feel like we're ready to ascend

695
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,840
and we're ready to go, then we can focus our attention on the one.

696
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,480
And so I believe there has to be a balance of both.

697
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,480
If that makes sense.

698
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,480
No, totally.

699
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,320
Because the way I'm, I got this picture as you're talking, I'm thinking about a bridge,

700
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,480
but a bridge, if it doesn't connect both sides, it's a peer, right?

701
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,480
Absolutely.

702
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:13,480
Connect.

703
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,360
And so I think we've seen a lot where people can connect to people and they don't connect

704
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,880
to God where you're not a bridge.

705
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,880
So you're making a great example.

706
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:26,120
I think a great example is sometimes, especially some of the newer ways of how people call

707
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,640
like spontaneous worship and things like that.

708
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,600
And we, you feel like as when you're in the room, especially when the worship moment first

709
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,760
starts and like the leaders facing the back wall, they're like already like, they're

710
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,160
already to that place and you feel left out.

711
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,880
I feel like when you get so focused on, we're just worshiping the one, you lose what the,

712
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,440
what your job as a leader is supposed to do for the room.

713
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,960
And so I've been in places before where the first thing that the leader gets out there

714
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,160
and does, they get on their knees, their barefoot there, and it's just really to them and they're

715
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,760
singing, but they, they haven't grabbed us and taken us with them just yet.

716
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,400
And so we focus so much, like I said, on this audience of one idea, which is great and I

717
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,400
love it.

718
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,120
And I do understand what people say when they mean it.

719
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,800
So I don't want to get that, like that I'm not a get, you know, that I'm just against

720
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:11,800
it.

721
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,000
But of course, the leader, my job is much bigger than just me focused on the one.

722
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,240
And my job is more to, in this corporate setting, to bring all of us to focus on the one.

723
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:24,200
I love that because you brought a good balance, even as we were talking earlier that, hey,

724
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,840
God will always be the object, objective, be all into all of our worship.

725
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,840
Absolutely.

726
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:36,040
What you're saying is if you don't bring the people with you, then it fails to be a corporate

727
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,640
worship of the Lord.

728
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,240
It's just a singular worship.

729
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:43,840
And I love that idea because I think, you know, Paul as an apostle, but as an evangelist,

730
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,480
he says, I became all things to all men in some way that I may win some.

731
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,760
In other words, if I go out and I'm talking over people's heads, you know, there's another

732
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,320
analogy, but if I'm out and I'm in a, you know, a un-church crowd and I'm using all

733
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,320
my Christian ease, they're not tracking with me.

734
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,480
They're wondering like, what's going on?

735
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:00,920
I don't, I don't even connect.

736
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,280
So I could be sharing in my estimation, I'm connecting with God.

737
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,400
I feel like I'm sharing the gospel, but if they don't understand and they can't track

738
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,480
with me, I can't lead them anywhere.

739
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,080
And so what you're saying is you're not kicking the audience or one to the curb.

740
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,960
You're saying, Hey, he's the objective.

741
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,960
He's the be all in on.

742
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:18,960
That's what we're trying to get.

743
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,440
But as a worship leader, you got to take in consideration.

744
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,440
Where is the room at?

745
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:24,960
What's going on this Sunday?

746
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,000
And I think that's part of being prophetic is that what, what, what is the Holy Spirit

747
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,880
breathing on that is the key to this service to unlock the corporate expression of where

748
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,600
God wants to bring up a people.

749
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,240
Yeah, I saw an analogy and I hope I say it correctly, but they basically said that the

750
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:45,160
audience of one kind of mindset is basically saying that God is the audience, but then

751
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,120
that makes everybody else in the room, either the actors or the directors.

752
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,400
And it's more like a stage play to God.

753
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,520
And so like I said, it just has to be a balance, I believe to both of those.

754
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:01,320
I want any set I do or any worship experience or service I'm a part of my ultimate goal

755
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,040
is whether I have five minutes, 20 minutes, 30, 45 minutes at the end of it, I want us

756
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,880
all to be at that place together.

757
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,800
I want us all to be worshiping the one.

758
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,840
I want us all at the end of it all to be singing to him, sit upon the throne, be blessed

759
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,360
in honor and glory and power.

760
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,160
But it can't sometimes it doesn't, it's not always easy to start that way.

761
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,040
Sometimes you have to break through some foul ground.

762
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,360
Sometimes you have to, you know, help people shake off their day or shake off, but they

763
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,600
just, maybe they were in the car fighting on the way to church and they just not ready

764
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,160
to come in right away, singing to him who sits upon the throne, you know?

765
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,440
And so there just has to be a balance.

766
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,440
And sometimes I just think as worshiping is we can miss that because we're so focused

767
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,440
on the water.

768
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,280
Man, and it's so true because if I'm hearing you correctly and I love this, it's that worship

769
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,360
is partial if it's only an action.

770
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,400
What you're saying is that action has to lead to transaction.

771
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,400
Absolutely.

772
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:54,000
So if we do this thing where it's just the action, you're saying if we're just the actors,

773
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,480
we're just doing actions, but God is his heart that it become transactional.

774
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,560
And part of that is you're taking in not only from our end, what we need to do, but from

775
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:09,520
God's end, his heart is he wants to release something amongst the people corporately,

776
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,760
but if they're not, if they're not connected, they're distant, distracted, gone, never, never

777
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,760
caught your bridge.

778
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,400
It's like you're a boat, you docked and I need all y'all to get on this boat because

779
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,960
we got to take you over to that God Island over there.

780
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,120
But if you, you're making people jump and they can't make the boat,

781
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,360
they can't get on safely.

782
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,360
Yeah.

783
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,440
Some people make it, but some people, they step.

784
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,040
But beach, man, I love that man.

785
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,880
Hey, Heath, we're going to have you here in Oakland, California, man, and we're going

786
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,960
to have you for our momentum night.

787
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:45,640
And I told you, man, we just, we gather the hungry, we gather the revival core, we gather

788
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,640
the loss.

789
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:52,560
We gather people that man is struggling some areas, just people that want the more of God.

790
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:53,560
Yeah.

791
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,680
Man, what can you give or speak to someone as to why they need to be there?

792
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,480
August 25th, seven o'clock at 4292 Keller Avenue, Sequoia Church.

793
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,560
Why do they need to come and join us that night, bro?

794
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:05,560
Yeah.

795
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,600
I guess as a traveling artist or minister, I love when I get to go from different coast

796
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,560
to coast or different regions in the, uh, and I'll say the United States.

797
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,480
But I specifically love when I go over to the West Coast because there's such a, it's

798
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,560
a different hunger over there.

799
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,360
And especially the ones that are tapped in and they're a part of it.

800
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,000
Everybody's contending for the same thing.

801
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,960
And so maybe there's going to be somebody that, um, maybe he's not there just yet, but

802
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,480
once they get inside that room and everybody's going after the same thing and they are fires

803
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,280
start exoniting each other's.

804
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,880
And, um, I just believe that a fresh fire is going to be activated in you that night.

805
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,480
I believe that the Lord wants to encounter you that night.

806
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,080
And so if I was you, I wouldn't miss it.

807
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,280
I wouldn't want to miss this moment in this person, not just because I'm coming.

808
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,280
I'm a nobody.

809
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,680
I'm just singing about somebody trying to lead us off to him.

810
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,880
And so I would just encourage you to be there and not miss this moment, um, to be set a blaze

811
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,400
again and to get this passion and this fire reignited again.

812
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,400
It's going to be amazing.

813
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:01,400
And I'm super excited.

814
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,400
Thank you for having me.

815
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,400
I'm super excited to be there.

816
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,400
Excited about what God's going to do.

817
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,960
Um, yeah, I'm just expecting.

818
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:06,960
Come on.

819
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,680
Hey, man, I know there's some people that are listening, uh, man that would love to

820
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,680
stay in touch and connect with you, your ministry and the stuff you're going on.

821
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:20,640
How can our listeners, and I just want to commend you, keep you 100 try, follow the

822
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,920
story of this guy, get his materials, download his stuff, whatever he's got.

823
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:25,920
It's amazing.

824
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,000
So he talked to us, man.

825
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,920
How can our people stay in contact with you?

826
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,800
Yeah, I am on Facebook.

827
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,640
You can just type in Heath King, um, a page will pop up there.

828
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,200
I'm on Instagram, Heath King music.

829
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,880
Uh, you can also go to my website.

830
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,640
I have music there and also on all digital platforms.

831
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,000
Um, but my website, I am heathking.com.

832
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,800
Um, to stay connected there.

833
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,440
There's some merch that you can buy and enjoy and wear.

834
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,920
Um, and I'm working on some new projects.

835
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,720
I'm working on an album soon.

836
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,640
Um, and so just super excited about, and it's called mission crowd heaven.

837
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,680
There's also my mission is to depopulate hell and crowd heaven.

838
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,200
And so I'm my first album.

839
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,280
I wanted it to be a representation of that.

840
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,520
And so it's all about heaven.

841
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,280
It's all about winning souls and they're all scripture based songs.

842
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,280
So we're working on that.

843
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,480
Hopefully it's released at the beginning of the year.

844
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,720
Um, but I'm working on a single that's going to come out in October.

845
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,200
So yeah, you can, all of those details and updates will be on my social media platform

846
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,200
from my website.

847
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,920
Um, and yeah, come on, Heath man.

848
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,360
Sure appreciate you're looking forward here that we're about to have you up here in the

849
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,360
Bay shortly.

850
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,280
Hey man, thanks for jumping on the pod with this.

851
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,440
Heath, you're amazing.

852
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:24,440
We sure love you bro.

853
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,440
Yes, sir.

854
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,440
I love you too.

855
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,440
Thank you for having me.

856
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,560
Hey you guys, was that amazing or what?

857
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,120
Oh my gosh, I love this guy.

858
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,320
He's just, he's amazing.

859
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,880
I'm so excited for him to be in the Bay with us to bring what he carries and just his revelation

860
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,160
of, you know, what it is to bring the room into the throne, throne room to have a corporate

861
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,360
encounter and just what he carries in the journey he's walked in.

862
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,720
I mean, being Mark since he was a little guy.

863
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:49,120
I mean, that's just unique.

864
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:54,360
I just, he's, I just love that he has recognized he's always had a hunger and an appetite for

865
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,360
the things of God.

866
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,680
You know, the thing that I think stood out, there's a couple things, obviously that one

867
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,560
is that he would come back from church and he would play church in the garage setup.

868
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,440
And he said he'd play church, but then all of a sudden Jesus starts showing up.

869
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,680
I love that the Holy Spirit touched him.

870
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:14,880
But he even said today that he always goes back to just that little kid that just wanted

871
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,200
Jesus to show up in the garage.

872
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,320
And I think that's keeping it simple.

873
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,320
It's keeping it pure.

874
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,640
It's keeping it vertical.

875
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,200
It's keeping it intentional.

876
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,800
It's keeping it authentic.

877
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:30,200
And I, and I feel like maybe in that there's a call to us to go back to those moments when

878
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:35,640
Jesus first made himself real to us, those moments when our motives were pure, maybe for

879
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,360
some of us there was less demands on us.

880
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,240
And it was just kind of like we, we were coming to Jesus is cause we love Jesus and

881
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:45,040
we knew Jesus loved us and making that pure.

882
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,080
And I think that's really part of what worship is getting back to that.

883
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,840
And what happens is it transcends into your lifestyle.

884
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,440
You know, so well said.

885
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,600
And I think it really captures the heart of what this is all about.

886
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:04,480
It really is about giving our lives fully and completely to Jesus in whatever vein.

887
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,360
Some of you are not a worship leader or a preacher in a traditional sense, but keep

888
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:09,360
one under tribe.

889
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,600
I want you to know wherever you find your influence, your sphere of influence in your

890
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:18,560
life, let it be an example of vertical worship cause it changes atmospheres.

891
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:19,960
It changes lives.

892
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,400
And we just want to encourage you truly you have one life to live one.

893
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:24,400
That's it.

894
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,240
And we all know it goes really fast and the older you get, the quicker it gets.

895
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:32,640
I mean, there's the truth in that and really recognize in that one life, let it be fully

896
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,480
devoted to Jesus.

897
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,000
There's no greater posture you can have in your life than devoting your life fully and

898
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,480
completely to Jesus.

899
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,560
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