WEBVTT 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:12.320 A horror podcast. I'm Todd, joined by the lovely, 00:00:12.500 --> 00:00:16.359 the talented, the beautiful, as always. It's 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:19.219 my wife, Becca. Hi. Hello. And we're going to 00:00:19.219 --> 00:00:21.960 watch every horror movie together. So, of course, 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:26.780 we had to go out and see Gay It Follows this 00:00:26.780 --> 00:00:29.640 past weekend. Of course, that's Leviticus from 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:37.810 2026, directed by Adrian. Is it Kia? Kia. Directed 00:00:37.810 --> 00:00:41.570 by Adrian Chiarella. It's funny because when 00:00:41.570 --> 00:00:44.390 we saw the trailer for this a little while ago, 00:00:44.509 --> 00:00:47.170 the trailer very much felt like, oh, I guess 00:00:47.170 --> 00:00:49.750 this is like It Follows, but it's about like 00:00:49.750 --> 00:00:53.929 gay conversion therapy. And watching the movie, 00:00:54.109 --> 00:00:58.090 it's like, yeah, that's it's literally It Follows. 00:00:58.109 --> 00:01:01.609 Like it's kind of crazy how similar it is. Not 00:01:01.609 --> 00:01:04.469 that that's a bad thing. No, we love It Follows. 00:01:04.489 --> 00:01:07.439 We all love It Follows. And I do think I think 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:09.620 the movie has like its own voice. It definitely 00:01:09.620 --> 00:01:12.060 does. It really has its own thing to say and 00:01:12.060 --> 00:01:14.459 everything. And the way the monsters presented 00:01:14.459 --> 00:01:18.620 is different than in It Follows. A little bit. 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:21.819 A little bit. Yeah. But it's a different concept. 00:01:22.140 --> 00:01:26.159 Well, we'll just say so. The I don't think this 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:29.120 is worth treating like a spoiler. But the movie 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:32.079 is about like it's it's these these two characters. 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:35.859 We got Joe Bird, who isn't talk to me. Did you 00:01:35.859 --> 00:01:38.480 recognize him? I think I didn't catch on until 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:40.519 later, but yeah. Well, I think there was also 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:42.519 someone in the theater behind us that was very 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:45.819 loudly like, it's the kid from Talk to Me. I 00:01:45.819 --> 00:01:48.640 didn't hear that. Must have been blocked out 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:53.480 by the farter. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, 00:01:53.739 --> 00:01:55.540 all right? We'll get to all that. The farter 00:01:55.540 --> 00:02:02.200 is not a spoiler. But it's also got Stacey Clawson, 00:02:02.340 --> 00:02:04.609 who I don't think I've... I can remember seeing 00:02:04.609 --> 00:02:06.829 in anything, but they're basically the two male 00:02:06.829 --> 00:02:09.389 leads in this movie that's in like this kind 00:02:09.389 --> 00:02:13.409 of industrial small town. And these guys maybe 00:02:13.409 --> 00:02:17.229 are very quickly discovering a little forbidden 00:02:17.229 --> 00:02:19.550 romance between the two of them. The movie kind 00:02:19.550 --> 00:02:22.069 of opens right away with that stuff, which was 00:02:22.069 --> 00:02:24.909 nice that we like got right into it. And of course, 00:02:24.909 --> 00:02:28.810 in a small town like this, it's maybe not super 00:02:28.810 --> 00:02:32.240 accepted by the community. So the story revolves 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:36.039 around bringing in the church to try and quote 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:38.580 unquote cure this. You know, that's where the 00:02:38.580 --> 00:02:41.840 like conversion therapy comes in. And maybe they 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:44.439 kind of bite off more than they can chew by summoning 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:47.719 an evil. It follows entity, which like this is 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:49.659 the part that I don't think is worth treating 00:02:49.659 --> 00:02:52.599 as a spoiler. It's meant to be like it looks 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:56.120 like the person that you desire the most, but 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:58.520 no one else can see it. So it's really it is. 00:02:58.990 --> 00:03:02.229 It follows, except instead of it being like a 00:03:02.229 --> 00:03:05.310 random person, it's a very specific person that 00:03:05.310 --> 00:03:07.930 you're seeing. Yeah. I just think it's funny 00:03:07.930 --> 00:03:11.610 because I did read a little bit of an interview 00:03:11.610 --> 00:03:14.030 with the director. I was just curious. He had 00:03:14.030 --> 00:03:16.110 a lot of interesting things to say about the 00:03:16.110 --> 00:03:18.770 production of this and the idea and everything. 00:03:18.889 --> 00:03:21.129 But I did notice he didn't mention it follows 00:03:21.129 --> 00:03:24.050 once. And it's kind of like clubbing. Like we 00:03:24.050 --> 00:03:26.969 know that was an inspiration. It did feel very 00:03:26.969 --> 00:03:29.319 inspired, which is not. There's nothing wrong 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:32.400 with that. No. Because yeah, in this house, I 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:34.840 love the high concept monsters. I think that's 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:37.699 what I'm settling on as like my term for that. 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:40.379 Because I've said that before that I love the 00:03:40.379 --> 00:03:42.719 monster movies where there are like weird rules 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:45.900 around the monster. I really feel like It Follows 00:03:45.900 --> 00:03:50.039 kind of kicked off this new era of monster movie. 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:52.219 I don't want to call it like elevated monster 00:03:52.219 --> 00:03:56.319 movies. No, it's high concept monsters. And it's 00:03:56.319 --> 00:03:58.770 funny because he did. He had something to say 00:03:58.770 --> 00:04:01.750 in that interview that I thought was very interesting 00:04:01.750 --> 00:04:04.250 because I'd never thought of it this way. You 00:04:04.250 --> 00:04:06.270 got all these people online who complain about 00:04:06.270 --> 00:04:09.650 how like every horror movie now is about like 00:04:09.650 --> 00:04:12.909 grief or trauma or some other idea. Like, oh, 00:04:12.930 --> 00:04:16.529 I want the old days when it was just about monsters 00:04:16.529 --> 00:04:20.629 and that's it. I mean, those were also grief 00:04:20.629 --> 00:04:24.009 and trauma. Well. That was what the director 00:04:24.009 --> 00:04:27.069 said, is that like maybe part of growing up is 00:04:27.069 --> 00:04:29.790 realizing they always represented something. 00:04:30.089 --> 00:04:32.790 It's just when you're a kid, you didn't understand 00:04:32.790 --> 00:04:36.829 that. Exactly. It's like it's it's very interesting 00:04:36.829 --> 00:04:39.870 to me because I run into a lot like people who 00:04:39.870 --> 00:04:42.509 complain about movies not being the same now. 00:04:42.589 --> 00:04:44.410 They're not as scary. They're not as simple. 00:04:44.490 --> 00:04:47.250 And it's like you are going by your childhood 00:04:47.250 --> 00:04:50.490 memories of horror. And I think a lot of big 00:04:50.490 --> 00:04:52.800 horror fans, that's how you start. You watch 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:54.920 something when you're too young, you get scarred 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:57.579 by it. But then you love that so much that you 00:04:57.579 --> 00:04:59.959 keep chasing it. And we have to realize, you 00:04:59.959 --> 00:05:02.120 know, you grow up at a certain point and you're 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:03.660 just looking at the world in a different way. 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:06.139 Yeah, your frontal lobe develops and now you 00:05:06.139 --> 00:05:09.079 have all this context. Well, I don't know if 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:12.019 they all have the frontal lobe. But it's like, 00:05:12.139 --> 00:05:15.240 yeah, that's kind of something that he mentioned. 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.439 Maybe they've always been about grief and trauma. 00:05:18.860 --> 00:05:22.240 And of course, Leviticus. This is the part of 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:25.540 the Bible that's like, thou shalt not lie with 00:05:25.540 --> 00:05:29.360 a man like a woman, whatever the fuck it is. 00:05:29.459 --> 00:05:33.199 Yeah. Who cares? I do want to say, which is a 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:36.579 mistranslation. That translation didn't come 00:05:36.579 --> 00:05:39.639 until not to get into Bible history here. It 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:41.720 really is talking about pedophiles, which really 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:43.639 puts a lot of things into perspective, doesn't 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:46.160 it? We're not having that conversation. I mean, 00:05:46.180 --> 00:05:47.800 look, we're not. Yeah, we're not going to go 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:51.240 deep into the Bible or anything now. It is interesting 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:53.040 that, yeah, a lot of that kind of stuff also 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:56.500 is written later. It's almost like culturally 00:05:56.500 --> 00:05:59.379 people came up with different ideas of stuff 00:05:59.379 --> 00:06:01.459 they don't like and just added it like, yeah, 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:04.279 don't do this either. Yeah. When we got into 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:06.279 the theater, I was a little worried that maybe 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:09.980 people were getting the wrong idea of this. Yeah. 00:06:10.180 --> 00:06:14.720 Because we were saying, yeah, we had the farter 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:16.819 behind you. I don't think that had anything to 00:06:16.819 --> 00:06:19.500 do with this. No, no, no. You definitely farted. 00:06:19.899 --> 00:06:23.939 loudly more than once during the movie uh look 00:06:23.939 --> 00:06:26.319 i got crones i could fucking sometimes you just 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:30.100 gotta let her rip it was just funny but we also 00:06:30.100 --> 00:06:32.639 had uh some people sitting next to us that i 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:35.459 mean as soon as i saw them i was like i don't 00:06:35.459 --> 00:06:38.439 know if they know what they're about to watch 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:41.339 and they didn't they were yeah they were like 00:06:41.339 --> 00:06:44.199 older and immediately in the beginning every 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:47.180 time that the boys were kissing they were like 00:06:47.949 --> 00:06:51.250 like just loudly making noises and i was like 00:06:51.250 --> 00:06:54.970 brother you got a long movie ahead of you i hope 00:06:54.970 --> 00:06:57.250 you're ready to watch more boys kiss because 00:06:57.250 --> 00:06:59.310 i don't think this is the last they did kind 00:06:59.310 --> 00:07:00.949 of it felt like they got used to it eventually 00:07:00.949 --> 00:07:04.310 i didn't really hear much after that i'm like 00:07:04.310 --> 00:07:08.100 i'm so curious what their takeaway was i wish 00:07:08.100 --> 00:07:10.160 there'd be a way to ask them without being a 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.980 weirdo yeah because they seemed kind of into 00:07:12.980 --> 00:07:15.279 it by the end oh yeah it seemed like they enjoyed 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:17.680 it which is good yeah i feel like there were 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.920 some times where bad things happened to the lead 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:24.040 boys and they sounded kind of like upset about 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:26.800 it they seem to be empathetically involved in 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.459 the movie it did make me wonder because the the 00:07:29.459 --> 00:07:32.620 way the story is told even though there's like 00:07:32.620 --> 00:07:37.019 a very clear subtext to me Um, that was one of 00:07:37.019 --> 00:07:38.959 the things that director said was he kind of 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:42.779 made it this way deliberately, like to make it 00:07:42.779 --> 00:07:45.139 so that the themes are very broad. So there's 00:07:45.139 --> 00:07:48.100 no like clear one way to interpret the movie. 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:50.519 And I feel like kind of conflicted about that. 00:07:50.779 --> 00:07:52.800 Okay. Well, that's interesting you say that. 00:07:52.860 --> 00:07:56.600 Cause I did read that there was an opening scene 00:07:56.600 --> 00:08:01.199 where they explained the Leviticus Bible verse, 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:03.959 like they talked about it and ultimately they 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.410 decided to cut it. which i think was kind of 00:08:06.410 --> 00:08:09.069 a good decision but it seems unnecessary yeah 00:08:09.069 --> 00:08:11.209 i guess the reason i'm conflicted is because 00:08:11.209 --> 00:08:14.329 to me like a lot of the themes a lot of the ideas 00:08:14.329 --> 00:08:16.810 which are very strong like to me that was actually 00:08:16.810 --> 00:08:19.269 the strongest part of the movie um like that 00:08:19.269 --> 00:08:22.949 and the lead characters who had a fantastic relationship 00:08:22.949 --> 00:08:26.470 yeah those actors like they really carried the 00:08:26.470 --> 00:08:29.689 movie and i read that um they did a lot of like 00:08:29.689 --> 00:08:32.250 improvisational stuff oh that's around that which 00:08:32.750 --> 00:08:35.070 That works because, yeah, it felt super natural. 00:08:35.230 --> 00:08:40.610 It did. No, actually, very natural. Yes. I guess 00:08:40.610 --> 00:08:42.649 the issue, though, is there is another interpretation 00:08:42.649 --> 00:08:45.730 that is kind of like, well, if you do gay shit, 00:08:45.909 --> 00:08:48.230 you're going to get attacked by a demon. And 00:08:48.230 --> 00:08:50.649 I think there are some people who that might 00:08:50.649 --> 00:08:53.169 be their takeaway that it might like reaffirm 00:08:53.169 --> 00:08:55.950 their own beliefs. You know, I think you'd have 00:08:55.950 --> 00:08:59.330 to really be lacking in media literacy to walk 00:08:59.330 --> 00:09:02.960 away with that point of view. You say that like 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:07.299 it's not already happening. Yeah, I think you're 00:09:07.299 --> 00:09:10.519 a little too optimistic about the average moviegoer. 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:12.580 Look, I've seen the Internet. I don't need to 00:09:12.580 --> 00:09:15.399 go there. Yeah, I guess it really just comes 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:18.559 down to how much empathy you have for the main 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:21.159 characters, because it is kind of hard to hold 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:24.440 on to that idea by the end without a little bit 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:26.299 of empathy, because it did kind of start to feel 00:09:26.299 --> 00:09:28.840 like, hey, maybe these people deserve to be happy. 00:09:28.860 --> 00:09:31.279 Maybe they don't. deserved to be going through 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.919 this yeah and it's the fact that it was like 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:37.220 inflicted by the community on them not because 00:09:37.220 --> 00:09:40.399 they specifically did anything wrong but because 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:42.639 they were kissing before and it was fine i know 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:45.820 there's no problem until their parents got in 00:09:45.820 --> 00:09:48.500 their business yeah church yeah we'll we'll talk 00:09:48.500 --> 00:09:50.399 about that more later i feel like we're starting 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:53.559 to go a little too far but i'll say overall i 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:57.480 enjoyed this a lot i did too as a high concept 00:09:57.480 --> 00:10:01.179 monster movie it's uh I actually feel like that 00:10:01.179 --> 00:10:03.759 might be the weakest part because it is kind 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:05.980 of like, yeah, this has been done before. I think 00:10:05.980 --> 00:10:08.720 it still manages to have some pretty good scares. 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:11.580 It had a jump scare that made you angry. Yes. 00:10:11.740 --> 00:10:15.799 At one point, I was so confused because I looked 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:17.559 at you because you jumped hard as shit and you 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:19.679 just looked pissed. Well, I was pissed because 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:22.379 you didn't scare me because of the content in. 00:10:23.019 --> 00:10:25.419 the movie you scared me because it was loud noise 00:10:25.419 --> 00:10:28.940 like you activated like my ptsd and that pissed 00:10:28.940 --> 00:10:32.419 me off that jump scare got you so hard that when 00:10:32.419 --> 00:10:35.059 the scene transitioned to daylight you jumped 00:10:35.059 --> 00:10:39.120 again i know i was like i was triggered yeah 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:42.299 that part of it it's not like it's bad it's just 00:10:42.299 --> 00:10:44.860 not the standout the standout really to me is 00:10:44.860 --> 00:10:47.399 the themes and the characters and i think that 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:50.059 it's worth showing up just for that part yeah 00:10:50.570 --> 00:10:52.470 The fact that it's also a monster movie, just 00:10:52.470 --> 00:10:54.929 a bonus. It's great. So you think you'd recommend 00:10:54.929 --> 00:10:57.230 it? Oh, yeah. I definitely would recommend it. 00:10:57.269 --> 00:10:59.450 I think it was great. Recommend it to anyone 00:10:59.450 --> 00:11:04.210 who likes high concept monster movies. Definitely. 00:11:04.809 --> 00:11:06.950 Look, it's fucking Pride Month. Get out there 00:11:06.950 --> 00:11:10.029 and support these movies. I feel like this movie 00:11:10.029 --> 00:11:14.250 is another like almost cornerstone in queer film 00:11:14.250 --> 00:11:17.970 right now because I feel like I saw the TV glow. 00:11:18.429 --> 00:11:20.610 is like that same kind of thing like witnessing 00:11:20.610 --> 00:11:24.990 it just to witness and be immersed in a queer 00:11:24.990 --> 00:11:28.009 experience in horror and i think this did a really 00:11:28.009 --> 00:11:32.350 good job of having care with the queer experience 00:11:32.350 --> 00:11:35.870 but also making a really good horror movie totally 00:11:35.870 --> 00:11:39.590 so as far as the content warning though it's 00:11:39.590 --> 00:11:42.470 really it's the themes that deliver the biggest 00:11:42.470 --> 00:11:45.840 content warning i think Aside from like that 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:47.879 one jump scare that really fucked you up. It's 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:50.419 not like a jump scare heavy movie. The violence 00:11:50.419 --> 00:11:53.960 isn't like grotesque or especially gory. It's 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:57.360 more that it feels like abuse. Yeah. You know 00:11:57.360 --> 00:11:59.860 what I mean? So it's like it's heavier in that 00:11:59.860 --> 00:12:03.299 kind of way. Yeah, it's definitely a heavy metaphor 00:12:03.299 --> 00:12:06.559 for gay conversion therapy, which if that's something 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:09.940 that you've experienced. First of all, I'm very 00:12:09.940 --> 00:12:13.659 sorry. That's extremely fucked up. If you're 00:12:13.659 --> 00:12:17.879 maybe not ready to watch a movie about this, 00:12:18.059 --> 00:12:22.440 that is the whole movie is very heavy on that. 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.980 That is really the big horror angle. And those 00:12:26.980 --> 00:12:29.019 elements of the story just really feel like, 00:12:29.019 --> 00:12:33.259 yeah, we are seeing the real emotional effect 00:12:33.259 --> 00:12:36.820 and societal effect of gay conversion therapy 00:12:36.820 --> 00:12:39.860 in like this horrific way. Yeah. And I guess 00:12:39.860 --> 00:12:43.019 if you also if you. groan every time you see 00:12:43.019 --> 00:12:46.840 boys kissing be aware there's a lot of boys kissing 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:51.940 yeah well even more so you can't even handle 00:12:51.940 --> 00:12:55.679 kissing then you're not oh yeah yeah we started 00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:57.860 getting kind of close to heated rivalry there 00:12:57.860 --> 00:13:05.059 this is heated bible -ry that's so dumb uh that's 00:13:05.059 --> 00:13:09.799 gonna be the title of that fucking episode All 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:11.559 right. But why don't we let's get in the spoilers 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:16.559 so we can really talk about it. OK. If I had 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:19.820 to name like one big complaint about this movie, 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.600 it was the way that it handles exposition. I 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:26.720 feel like it's the exposition of necessary evil 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:30.399 because we have to have a way to explain the 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:33.100 rules and everything. But it did feel a little 00:13:33.100 --> 00:13:36.740 ham fisted and it kind of it took me out of the 00:13:36.740 --> 00:13:41.159 environment. in the movie okay because the world 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:43.720 they create is so interesting it feels so like 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:46.460 lived in and when they step outside of it it 00:13:46.460 --> 00:13:49.460 really does feel like i could feel the writers 00:13:49.460 --> 00:13:52.440 being like well we have to we have to figure 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:55.019 out a way to tell these kids what's going on 00:13:55.019 --> 00:13:57.259 yeah because remember it follows it was like 00:13:57.259 --> 00:13:59.980 the way they handled it there is they have the 00:13:59.980 --> 00:14:03.059 character in the beginning who kind of who kind 00:14:03.059 --> 00:14:06.120 of starts the spread of the it follows right 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:08.620 So he's able to like tell you, all right, these 00:14:08.620 --> 00:14:11.100 are the rules. See you later. So this time it's 00:14:11.100 --> 00:14:15.440 that like random opening scene at the pool with 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:18.559 the girl who gets killed by this thing. It was 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:20.799 kind of effective because in the moment I had 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:22.899 no idea what was going on because it seems like 00:14:22.899 --> 00:14:26.419 she's talking to nobody before being brutally 00:14:26.419 --> 00:14:30.299 murdered. But it's later on when they like, it's 00:14:30.299 --> 00:14:32.200 like very suddenly they're like trying to figure 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:35.159 out like. They hear like a story about, oh, this 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:37.600 girl in this other town was dealing with this 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:40.299 thing and oh, her girlfriend's still alive. So 00:14:40.299 --> 00:14:42.220 they're able to be like, all right, that's an 00:14:42.220 --> 00:14:44.080 hour away. Let's go. And it's just like this 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:46.639 very quick, like hop over there, talk to her, 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:49.679 get the rules, come back, continue the movie. 00:14:50.179 --> 00:14:52.559 I wish there was a better way to do that. I guess 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:54.639 so. I guess I really, that didn't bother me as 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:56.980 much. It's not a big deal. It just felt like 00:14:56.980 --> 00:15:00.960 very obvious. But the rules that we get are so 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.480 we have this weird ass priest who goes around 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:09.240 doing these kind of gay exorcisms. And what it 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:13.100 actually does is it seems to attach a demon or 00:15:13.100 --> 00:15:16.460 some kind of demonic entity onto these poor fucking 00:15:16.460 --> 00:15:19.679 children. Yeah. And then, yeah, the idea is anytime 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:23.019 you're alone, you see the person that you desire 00:15:23.019 --> 00:15:25.679 the most. And if you give in to that desire, 00:15:25.940 --> 00:15:29.129 it beats the living shit out of you. It's a pretty 00:15:29.129 --> 00:15:31.570 terrifying idea. It's obvious how it plays into, 00:15:31.629 --> 00:15:35.169 you know, gay conversion therapy and how like 00:15:35.169 --> 00:15:38.049 like there is a line in the movie where they 00:15:38.049 --> 00:15:41.529 say like they want us to be afraid. Yeah. And 00:15:41.529 --> 00:15:43.830 yeah, it's the idea of how that can make you 00:15:43.830 --> 00:15:47.909 feel completely isolated and afraid all the time. 00:15:47.970 --> 00:15:50.730 And that's by design. I wrote that down, too, 00:15:50.870 --> 00:15:52.750 that they want us to be scared of each other. 00:15:52.870 --> 00:15:56.269 And I thought that that came through really strong. 00:15:56.730 --> 00:15:58.350 That's the fucked up thing about it. I can't 00:15:58.350 --> 00:16:01.370 even imagine if I was outside in the garden and 00:16:01.370 --> 00:16:04.669 I just see you like, hey, hey, how's it going? 00:16:04.750 --> 00:16:07.129 Come here. Give me a kiss. And then as soon as 00:16:07.129 --> 00:16:09.870 I do that, you just fucking strangle me. Yeah, 00:16:09.909 --> 00:16:12.230 it's terrifying. It's yeah, it's very terrifying. 00:16:12.470 --> 00:16:15.169 It made me wonder because the thing was super 00:16:15.169 --> 00:16:18.129 fucking aggressive. Is it meant to like instantly 00:16:18.129 --> 00:16:21.629 kill you as soon as you give in? I don't know. 00:16:21.769 --> 00:16:23.990 I didn't really think about that. But I think 00:16:23.990 --> 00:16:27.389 it's supposed to be like. beating the desire 00:16:27.389 --> 00:16:30.250 out of you beating the gay out of you yeah i 00:16:30.250 --> 00:16:34.389 don't like that it's scary i think like the most 00:16:34.389 --> 00:16:38.169 effective one was um when he was home by himself 00:16:38.169 --> 00:16:42.730 was named name yeah it's so fucking awkward yeah 00:16:42.730 --> 00:16:44.850 when name is home by himself they're they're 00:16:44.850 --> 00:16:47.289 at a certain point it started to be like brother 00:16:47.289 --> 00:16:50.330 like i know this i know you love this dude but 00:16:50.330 --> 00:16:53.570 you gotta you can't be naive you know this is 00:16:53.570 --> 00:16:56.559 the monster Oh, well, I do think they they have 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:00.700 the character in a peculiar situation. Like he's 00:17:00.700 --> 00:17:02.919 new to town. He doesn't have any friends. And 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:05.380 his one friend that he really loves, like he 00:17:05.380 --> 00:17:09.240 really loves. I know that's kind of adds to the 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:12.220 vulnerability of his character. I'm being an 00:17:12.220 --> 00:17:15.079 armchair movie watcher. Don't mean to do that. 00:17:15.299 --> 00:17:17.779 And it's it does a great job of showing how like. 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:20.759 The more you're around this person, the more 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:24.339 it's able to like learn their mannerisms and 00:17:24.339 --> 00:17:26.240 all this shit. So he's saying like very personal 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:28.299 stuff to get to him. That's what makes it so 00:17:28.299 --> 00:17:30.619 scary when he reaches through the fucking screen 00:17:30.619 --> 00:17:33.420 door, like scrapes his arm up. That was crazy. 00:17:33.859 --> 00:17:36.920 That was cool. I could feel it coming, but that 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:38.599 was still. Yeah. So I'm saying the whole time 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:42.140 you're like, brother, it's the monster. Anyway. 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:45.730 Yeah. That's I mean, that's. important to the 00:17:45.730 --> 00:17:47.869 movie and it's funny because i almost feel like 00:17:47.869 --> 00:17:52.670 it doesn't do enough with that weird trust that 00:17:52.670 --> 00:17:54.710 comes from it i guess it's just not important 00:17:54.710 --> 00:17:57.170 to the themes but like it does feel like it would 00:17:57.170 --> 00:17:59.930 set up a lot of situations where they're not 00:17:59.930 --> 00:18:03.289 trusting each other they're afraid of each other 00:18:03.289 --> 00:18:06.509 it seems like their love for each other is so 00:18:06.509 --> 00:18:08.869 fucking pure yeah it's almost like they don't 00:18:08.869 --> 00:18:12.529 they just want to be close and be together I 00:18:12.529 --> 00:18:14.430 think it was interesting how they made a character 00:18:14.430 --> 00:18:16.990 that was like morally gray because the way that 00:18:16.990 --> 00:18:21.430 he like told on the guy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, 00:18:21.430 --> 00:18:23.970 he did kind of kick the whole thing off without 00:18:23.970 --> 00:18:26.549 realizing it. Yeah. But that's what was extra 00:18:26.549 --> 00:18:29.509 fucked up was when you find out the parents kind 00:18:29.509 --> 00:18:31.710 of knew what they were signing up for. Like, 00:18:31.750 --> 00:18:35.210 remember that he starts trying to explain what's 00:18:35.210 --> 00:18:38.069 going on to his mom. By the way, a lot of shitty 00:18:38.069 --> 00:18:41.049 adults in this movie. So many shitty adults. 00:18:41.630 --> 00:18:43.630 But I guess it kind of makes sense because when, 00:18:43.670 --> 00:18:45.609 remember when he's trying to keep her from leaving 00:18:45.609 --> 00:18:48.170 the house? Yeah. And she's just like completely 00:18:48.170 --> 00:18:50.750 dismissing him. Maybe that's the idea that she 00:18:50.750 --> 00:18:53.230 knows. Yeah. She knows this creature's there 00:18:53.230 --> 00:18:56.369 and she's just like, yeah, you're going to have 00:18:56.369 --> 00:18:58.450 to fucking deal with it. Yeah. It's fucked up. 00:18:58.490 --> 00:19:01.250 It's ice cold. But that's what plays into like 00:19:01.250 --> 00:19:04.950 the whole setting is really effectively done. 00:19:05.049 --> 00:19:07.450 I have no idea where this took place because 00:19:07.450 --> 00:19:10.630 I am a stupid American. It's Australia? Yeah. 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:12.960 I thought it was in, like, England. No, I think 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:15.720 it was Australia. I don't know shit about the 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:18.420 rest of the world. It's a really good setting, 00:19:18.500 --> 00:19:22.200 though, because, yeah, it just feels so bleak 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:25.720 and depressing. And I read, yeah, the director 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:28.720 said that was a big part of the whole concept 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:30.859 of the movie. It's meant to be this, like, old, 00:19:30.940 --> 00:19:34.380 dying, industrial town. And it's meant to really 00:19:34.380 --> 00:19:38.150 evoke the idea that... It's systemic. Yeah. Well, 00:19:38.250 --> 00:19:40.509 that's the funny thing is my takeaway was like, 00:19:40.609 --> 00:19:43.490 yeah, this is what capitalism looks like. And 00:19:43.490 --> 00:19:46.609 you're not allowed to love each other and get 00:19:46.609 --> 00:19:49.289 close because that gets in the way of profits, 00:19:49.430 --> 00:19:51.670 baby. Yeah. Because it's a town full of people 00:19:51.670 --> 00:19:54.890 that just work and do nothing else, basically. 00:19:54.990 --> 00:19:57.930 And go to church. Yes. That's it. And that's 00:19:57.930 --> 00:20:00.130 the thing is like, I think what he was trying 00:20:00.130 --> 00:20:02.970 to evoke there was this idea that maybe this 00:20:02.970 --> 00:20:05.769 is all. man -made maybe we are creating these 00:20:05.769 --> 00:20:09.130 rules for ourselves for no reason i think that's 00:20:09.130 --> 00:20:11.549 what made the ending so much more special not 00:20:11.549 --> 00:20:14.410 to jump ahead yeah but the way that they're just 00:20:14.410 --> 00:20:17.990 like laying on each other and like the sun is 00:20:17.990 --> 00:20:20.529 shining on them and then it was just such a good 00:20:20.529 --> 00:20:23.710 ending it was like the way that they beat it 00:20:23.710 --> 00:20:25.829 was just being themselves and i think that that's 00:20:25.829 --> 00:20:28.450 a wonderful message i guess it's it's up for 00:20:28.450 --> 00:20:32.589 interpretation whether they beat it or not It 00:20:32.589 --> 00:20:35.150 is a very hopeful ending. And I'm happy that 00:20:35.150 --> 00:20:37.369 it ended that way instead of just being like, 00:20:37.450 --> 00:20:40.809 and they both died. Because they can't be together 00:20:40.809 --> 00:20:44.269 anymore. The end. No, it's the idea that even 00:20:44.269 --> 00:20:45.849 in the face of all this, they're like, well, 00:20:45.910 --> 00:20:48.609 fuck it. We're not going to let this run our 00:20:48.609 --> 00:20:51.490 lives. Because it can't get them if they're together. 00:20:51.910 --> 00:20:54.890 Right? They have to be alone. I guess they have 00:20:54.890 --> 00:20:58.009 to be within eyesight of each other 24 hours 00:20:58.009 --> 00:21:01.630 a day. Yeah. They don't feel afraid. Even though. 00:21:02.109 --> 00:21:04.309 for the rest of their life they are going to 00:21:04.309 --> 00:21:06.329 have to be looking over their shoulders yeah 00:21:06.329 --> 00:21:09.049 well that's a reality too exactly maybe that 00:21:09.049 --> 00:21:13.470 is part of the idea and that that trauma is something 00:21:13.470 --> 00:21:16.230 you can't just get away from but it doesn't mean 00:21:16.230 --> 00:21:19.150 you stop living your life yeah it's good i like 00:21:19.150 --> 00:21:22.589 it yeah i liked it too uh this marks the end 00:21:22.589 --> 00:21:24.849 of pride month is this going to be released during 00:21:24.849 --> 00:21:27.910 parliament no no okay because july is pride month 00:21:27.910 --> 00:21:31.960 anyway because my birthday so I guess we can 00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:34.140 mention this is I think this is getting released 00:21:34.140 --> 00:21:37.500 first week of July. We should have a calendar 00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:41.759 up if anyone's interested. But this is Becca's 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:45.559 birthday month, which means we're watching Forbidden 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:48.900 Fruits for your birthday episode. We're also 00:21:48.900 --> 00:21:52.000 reuploading The Hamiltons on the YouTube since 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:55.079 that's your favorite movie. Everyone keeps telling 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:59.519 me it's my favorite movie. Okay. It's the movie 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:02.400 that I heard about the most when we first started 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:06.940 dating. And for spoiler -free speedrun, it's 00:22:06.940 --> 00:22:10.460 going to be all Becca's birthday picks. We got 00:22:10.460 --> 00:22:11.619 to talk about that, too, because you're going 00:22:11.619 --> 00:22:13.440 to pick out the game, whatever you want to do. 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:15.660 Oh, yeah. We'll figure it out. Listen, whatever 00:22:15.660 --> 00:22:19.059 game you want to play, I'm in. Okay. It's your 00:22:19.059 --> 00:22:22.000 birthday. Okay. But I don't got anything else 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:26.230 for this one. Me either. I don't think so. So, 00:22:26.269 --> 00:22:28.970 you can go to ghostbeast .com for all our links. 00:22:29.109 --> 00:22:31.369 You can also search for Ghost Beast Pod. You 00:22:31.369 --> 00:22:33.650 can follow Lux Fatale. Check out Becca's artwork, 00:22:33.890 --> 00:22:36.789 including the stuff she designed for our merch, 00:22:36.990 --> 00:22:39.809 if you want to support us. Special thanks to 00:22:39.809 --> 00:22:41.869 the FUs for providing all our music. You can 00:22:41.869 --> 00:22:46.529 check him out at thef -use .com. And you can 00:22:46.529 --> 00:22:49.490 follow Ghost Beast on Letterboxd, where we rank 00:22:49.490 --> 00:22:54.539 everything we cover. Got a good spot. Okay. Right 00:22:54.539 --> 00:22:58.000 next to another hot concept monster movie. I 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:02.319 put it above Cuckoo and below No One Will Save 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:05.079 You. I think that's a good spot. Yeah. Sounds 00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:08.619 good. Puts it number 59 on our list. You can 00:23:08.619 --> 00:23:11.660 also contact us at podcast at ghostbeast .com. 00:23:11.980 --> 00:23:14.640 Let's hear some recommendations for Becca. For 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:18.579 me? Yes. She loves classic movies. She loves 00:23:18.579 --> 00:23:22.269 gay movies. How would you describe your movie 00:23:22.269 --> 00:23:24.650 taste? Oh, I don't know. It's kind of all over 00:23:24.650 --> 00:23:27.950 the place. Uh -huh. I really like... I like strong 00:23:27.950 --> 00:23:31.250 female leads. I really like vintage horror a 00:23:31.250 --> 00:23:33.470 lot, but you kind of miss out some of the... 00:23:33.470 --> 00:23:36.809 I don't know how to explain it. I just... I like 00:23:36.809 --> 00:23:40.450 witchy stuff a lot. You love your colorful aesthetics? 00:23:40.910 --> 00:23:43.809 Yes. Something like Suspiria. Yeah, I love stuff 00:23:43.809 --> 00:23:45.470 like that. That's why we're watching Forbidden 00:23:45.470 --> 00:23:48.240 Fruits, even though... I've heard a lot of people 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:51.400 don't like it. Oh. We're going to find out. Okay, 00:23:51.460 --> 00:23:54.680 we'll see. Sometimes people are wrong. That happens 00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:56.799 a lot, it turns out. Bye.