WEBVTT 00:00:08.810 --> 00:00:12.550 horror podcast i'm todd joined by my co -host 00:00:12.550 --> 00:00:17.489 my wife it's becca hello hi and we're gonna watch 00:00:17.489 --> 00:00:21.510 every horror movie together which is why of course 00:00:21.510 --> 00:00:25.350 we had to watch the movie everybody's excited 00:00:25.350 --> 00:00:29.589 about we saw obsession from 2026 directed by 00:00:29.589 --> 00:00:33.289 curry barker i listened to our milk and cereal 00:00:33.289 --> 00:00:36.649 episode again recently since we reposted on youtube 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:39.320 And I'm like, yeah, I don't know. This guy is 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:41.240 like some kind of comedian or something. It's 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:44.179 just funny hearing that because I feel like I 00:00:44.179 --> 00:00:46.920 have learned so much about him in like the past 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:49.899 two years. Because that was 2024, right? With 00:00:49.899 --> 00:00:53.299 Milk and Cereal. It's crazy. Yeah, it was in 00:00:53.299 --> 00:00:57.200 2024. Yeah, it was on our top 10 that year. That's 00:00:57.200 --> 00:00:59.100 crazy. Those top 10s are making it a lot easier 00:00:59.100 --> 00:01:01.719 for me to track the years that horror movies 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:06.560 are coming out. But yeah, he is a YouTuber. Which 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:09.140 we're seeing a lot more of this now. People making 00:01:09.140 --> 00:01:11.819 the jump, which really it makes so much sense. 00:01:11.980 --> 00:01:14.859 I guess it was probably just a matter of like 00:01:14.859 --> 00:01:16.579 people not getting the opportunities before. 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:18.879 It was probably like because of the stigma people 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:26.099 put on it. The ligma. But it makes sense. I mean, 00:01:26.140 --> 00:01:28.239 you're spending that much time just making shit. 00:01:28.379 --> 00:01:31.579 Yeah. And yeah, his channel is called That's 00:01:31.579 --> 00:01:34.560 a Bad Idea. It's mostly like comedy skits and 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:37.670 stuff. And then randomly there is The Chair and 00:01:37.670 --> 00:01:40.969 Milk and Cereal, which are both extremely good 00:01:40.969 --> 00:01:46.430 short horror movies. So it's maybe not surprising, 00:01:46.569 --> 00:01:49.069 but still a little crazy that he made this jump 00:01:49.069 --> 00:01:52.189 into Obsession, which is his first feature film. 00:01:52.510 --> 00:01:56.400 And it is such an insane hit. And I think that's 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:58.620 what I wanted to just get out of the way now, 00:01:58.739 --> 00:02:01.739 because I think it's universally I've seen so 00:02:01.739 --> 00:02:04.859 few criticisms. Oh, yeah. The ones that I have 00:02:04.859 --> 00:02:07.480 seen are just fucking stupid. Yeah. It's like 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:09.759 people who just missed parts of the movie. It's 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:12.020 like they're purposefully missing it. I don't 00:02:12.020 --> 00:02:14.120 know. You're always going to see those people. 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:16.500 I was waiting because I knew it's going to happen. 00:02:17.060 --> 00:02:20.419 But it's just it's so rare that in the lead up 00:02:20.419 --> 00:02:23.879 to this, I was. My cat, by the way, is attacking 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:28.280 my feet. Your cat. Our cat. She is attacking 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:31.240 my feet and it hurts really bad. Tried to just 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:34.120 talk through it. Nothing I could do about that. 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:35.900 Nope. I thought she was going to be cool and 00:02:35.900 --> 00:02:38.860 lay with us today. Nope. She has too much energy 00:02:38.860 --> 00:02:42.500 right now. No. But anyway, yeah, I was like, 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:45.879 I was super hyped for this movie for a while 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:48.240 now. And I usually, I don't really get hyped 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:49.979 for stuff like this because I'm usually just 00:02:49.979 --> 00:02:52.080 like. Whatever. If I want to see it, I'll see 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:53.960 it when it comes out. Not going to think about 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:56.280 it until then. And I don't know about you. I 00:02:56.280 --> 00:03:00.419 was really excited about this. Yeah. I think 00:03:00.419 --> 00:03:03.740 it goes without saying that we were both very 00:03:03.740 --> 00:03:07.560 excited for this. Like, I think I had quite a 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:11.120 few movies on my list of what I'm super excited. 00:03:11.699 --> 00:03:17.340 She's attacking my feet. But I couldn't wait 00:03:17.340 --> 00:03:21.050 to see this. And it like surpassed. My expectations. 00:03:21.270 --> 00:03:24.310 Yeah. That's the crazy part is as excited as 00:03:24.310 --> 00:03:28.830 I was, it didn't let me down in any way at all. 00:03:28.889 --> 00:03:31.349 It's just insane when that happens. Cause this 00:03:31.349 --> 00:03:33.169 movie, it kind of has it all. And it's especially 00:03:33.169 --> 00:03:36.870 just, it's so noteworthy that it's his first 00:03:36.870 --> 00:03:40.330 movie. He's young as shit. Like I heard him talk 00:03:40.330 --> 00:03:43.009 about how he was in college during COVID and 00:03:43.009 --> 00:03:45.009 it was like, you gotta get the fuck out of here 00:03:45.009 --> 00:03:48.870 with that shit. But like this movie is just doing 00:03:48.870 --> 00:03:51.979 so much. You know, like thematically it works 00:03:51.979 --> 00:03:53.939 so well. Like, I don't know how he's nailing 00:03:53.939 --> 00:03:57.460 these kind of relationship dynamics and everything 00:03:57.460 --> 00:03:59.819 in this movie at that at the age that he is. 00:03:59.939 --> 00:04:02.340 And I heard somebody mentioned that, like, it 00:04:02.340 --> 00:04:05.020 was especially surprising the way that he was 00:04:05.020 --> 00:04:08.319 writing women. Yeah. Like, I think if I didn't 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:10.580 know who he was, if I just randomly saw this 00:04:10.580 --> 00:04:12.360 and was like, oh, I'd probably be surprised if 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:15.639 it was a male director, you know, because that 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:17.139 happens sometimes. We'll see something. It's 00:04:17.139 --> 00:04:19.420 like, oh, a man directed this. That's crazy. 00:04:20.009 --> 00:04:21.670 It feels kind of like that. And the fact that 00:04:21.670 --> 00:04:24.569 he's so young makes it even crazier. Yeah. I 00:04:24.569 --> 00:04:27.310 heard him say that he specifically does really 00:04:27.310 --> 00:04:30.790 like writing female characters. Well, he's good 00:04:30.790 --> 00:04:33.930 at it. He is good at it. But like, yeah, if somehow 00:04:33.930 --> 00:04:36.329 you don't know about this movie, I mean, the 00:04:36.329 --> 00:04:38.329 thing that this movie does is so interesting 00:04:38.329 --> 00:04:43.410 is it presents the idea of like wishing that 00:04:43.410 --> 00:04:46.290 someone would love you. You know, this is like. 00:04:46.649 --> 00:04:48.930 trope that's gone back forever like the idea 00:04:48.930 --> 00:04:52.730 of the love potion and already as a setup for 00:04:52.730 --> 00:04:54.870 a horror movie I think that's part of why I was 00:04:54.870 --> 00:04:57.009 so excited because you hear that and then in 00:04:57.009 --> 00:04:59.949 the same breath you hear oh and it's extremely 00:04:59.949 --> 00:05:04.350 fucking scary it's like I have no idea how those 00:05:04.350 --> 00:05:08.019 two things can go together and they do Actually, 00:05:08.060 --> 00:05:11.120 as a woman, I think I could definitely see how 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:13.620 scary that could be. Yeah, that's fair. And that 00:05:13.620 --> 00:05:15.800 was that did give me a little bit of pause when 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:18.519 we had looked at some of the content warnings. 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:21.480 But yeah, man, whenever you see that stuff out 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:24.360 of context, it always looks buck wild. What was 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:26.240 it we saw was a ginger snaps. There was like 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:28.699 the whole page of content warnings and it wasn't 00:05:28.699 --> 00:05:32.220 even that crazy. Yeah, but it's really the setup 00:05:32.220 --> 00:05:34.720 is it's it's a bunch of friends that all work 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:37.600 together. And there's one character, Bear, who's 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:39.980 like madly in love with the character. Nikki 00:05:39.980 --> 00:05:43.279 seems like they kind of go back a ways. And it's 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:46.639 the typical like nice guy, puppy dog kind of 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.660 love that he's too afraid to like admit to her. 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:53.939 And out of desperation, he uses this one wish 00:05:53.939 --> 00:05:56.800 willow that he finds at like a crystal shop to 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:58.879 wish that she would love him more than anything. 00:05:59.100 --> 00:06:03.779 And it's kind of like, what is the reality behind 00:06:03.779 --> 00:06:06.459 a wish like that? I do think it's funny. I'm 00:06:06.459 --> 00:06:09.120 listening to the new Dungeon Crawler Carl audiobook. 00:06:09.420 --> 00:06:12.519 This is not a spoiler. But the idea of like a 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:15.019 kind of love potion thing comes up and Donut 00:06:15.019 --> 00:06:17.720 is immediately like, no, that's a sex slave. 00:06:17.819 --> 00:06:20.920 You don't fucking do that. That's terrible. It's 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:24.459 like very timely. And that's kind of that's who 00:06:24.459 --> 00:06:27.339 you're getting at. That is the reality behind 00:06:27.339 --> 00:06:30.120 something like this is like if you are forcing 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:33.620 someone to love you, like it kind of really goes 00:06:33.620 --> 00:06:37.350 into. What would be going on in your mind if 00:06:37.350 --> 00:06:40.509 somebody made that wish for you? Yeah. And I 00:06:40.509 --> 00:06:43.889 think they explore that pretty well. Considering 00:06:43.889 --> 00:06:46.949 that's like that is the whole movie. It is. Yeah, 00:06:47.029 --> 00:06:49.410 it is explored in a way that's really fascinating. 00:06:49.709 --> 00:06:52.629 It really kind of runs the gamut on different 00:06:52.629 --> 00:06:57.170 types of like abusive relationships, really on 00:06:57.170 --> 00:07:00.819 both ends. Because even though Bear is the main 00:07:00.819 --> 00:07:03.220 character in this, he is not the most sympathetic 00:07:03.220 --> 00:07:05.860 character. No, he's definitely not a good guy. 00:07:06.379 --> 00:07:09.300 No. So that is something I'm going to be interested 00:07:09.300 --> 00:07:11.939 in talking about, because I think we both have 00:07:11.939 --> 00:07:15.480 history with abusive relationships. I don't know 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:17.339 how much you want to go into. You don't need 00:07:17.339 --> 00:07:20.600 to get too crazy if you don't feel comfortable. 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:22.899 I'm going to share some things, though, about 00:07:22.899 --> 00:07:25.110 my. passed because there were things in this 00:07:25.110 --> 00:07:28.310 that were like way too familiar oh yeah for me 00:07:28.310 --> 00:07:30.930 too there were some there was a moment where 00:07:30.930 --> 00:07:33.569 i got really triggered but i had to luckily the 00:07:33.569 --> 00:07:36.110 movie was fucking good it was really easy to 00:07:36.110 --> 00:07:39.250 get right back into it but yeah i definitely 00:07:39.250 --> 00:07:42.110 got triggered it earns that trauma definitely 00:07:42.110 --> 00:07:45.430 um but i'll be interested in hearing at least 00:07:45.430 --> 00:07:47.970 like what spoke to you because there were a few 00:07:47.970 --> 00:07:50.189 parts in this that were just like man way too 00:07:50.189 --> 00:07:53.180 real yeah Holy shit. Which is what I was saying 00:07:53.180 --> 00:07:55.240 about him being so young. It's like, what the 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:58.240 fuck have you been through, man? Like, but it's 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.740 also fascinating that, you know, he has this 00:08:00.740 --> 00:08:03.980 comedy background. He's kind of following in 00:08:03.980 --> 00:08:08.040 the footsteps of a lot of other people like Jordan 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:10.480 Peele, Zach Krieger. You know, people who are 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.360 very involved in comedy then transitioned into 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:17.519 horror. A lot of these movies like Nope and Weapons 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:20.910 and Get Out. Creating horror with a sense of 00:08:20.910 --> 00:08:24.389 humor, I think that is a lane that I really enjoy. 00:08:24.889 --> 00:08:27.290 Yeah, I think it's being done in a completely 00:08:27.290 --> 00:08:29.889 different way than it used to be. Where if you 00:08:29.889 --> 00:08:31.990 were to see something that's considered a horror 00:08:31.990 --> 00:08:34.929 comedy, it's usually like, I would say like 90 00:08:34.929 --> 00:08:38.590 % comedy. Yeah, exactly. That's why I describe 00:08:38.590 --> 00:08:40.769 it as like horror with a sense of humor. Because 00:08:40.769 --> 00:08:43.389 it's a horror movie where there are parts where 00:08:43.389 --> 00:08:45.750 it is okay to laugh and break the tension a little 00:08:45.750 --> 00:08:48.990 bit. There are so many parts in this movie. Where 00:08:48.990 --> 00:08:51.950 it felt like my eyes were watering because I 00:08:51.950 --> 00:08:54.529 was so scared. But I had this. You were going 00:08:54.529 --> 00:08:57.889 to cry? Your eyes are watering. Okay. This is 00:08:57.889 --> 00:09:00.730 not me just trying to be manly or whatever. I 00:09:00.730 --> 00:09:03.309 guess you cry very easily. I do. I cry all the 00:09:03.309 --> 00:09:07.789 time. But my eyes also watered. No, when I get 00:09:07.789 --> 00:09:10.929 really scared, my eyes just start watering. Yeah. 00:09:11.419 --> 00:09:12.980 Maybe some people know what I'm talking about. 00:09:13.139 --> 00:09:13.940 I know what you're talking about. It happened 00:09:13.940 --> 00:09:16.740 to me. Well, they don't spill out of my eyeballs. 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:19.679 There's a difference. This isn't even my point. 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:21.539 There were, there were parts where I was like, 00:09:21.580 --> 00:09:23.759 this movie is scary shit. Like there's no getting 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:26.100 around it. This movie is fucking ridiculous how 00:09:26.100 --> 00:09:28.700 scary it is. Yes. But there were a lot of parts 00:09:28.700 --> 00:09:31.919 where I was really scared, but I had like a big 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:34.600 smile on my face because it was just like, it 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:38.559 is almost funny how. disturbing and scary it 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:40.700 is and you could feel that nervous energy in 00:09:40.700 --> 00:09:42.740 the theater where every now and then somebody 00:09:42.740 --> 00:09:45.059 would chuckle but it didn't sound like a funny 00:09:45.059 --> 00:09:48.000 chuckle it sounded like a what the fuck man kind 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:51.779 of chuckle which is super fun and it felt really 00:09:51.779 --> 00:09:54.460 effective because we had a pretty packed theater 00:09:54.460 --> 00:09:57.000 people were really excited about this and it 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:59.919 felt like everybody was locked in oh yeah like 00:09:59.919 --> 00:10:01.480 even when it was over i think i heard some people 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:07.120 go like just breathe like yeah But it was a really 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:10.740 good time and it definitely made me wish we had 00:10:10.740 --> 00:10:13.639 been able to see this at like a festival or something. 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:16.960 I know. I really like I think you had mentioned 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:20.340 it was at a festival we were looking at. Yeah. 00:10:20.379 --> 00:10:22.440 I was like, damn, that would have been so cool. 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.000 I know. Why don't we just let's get through the 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:28.019 content warning so that we can get to the spoiler 00:10:28.019 --> 00:10:30.440 section because we're going along and shit. Look, 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:32.600 movies like this. I'm always like this could 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:37.360 be a Zubia big boy. There are. a lot of content 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.899 warnings yeah for this movie like we tend to 00:10:39.899 --> 00:10:42.500 we cover like the broad stuff we don't get super 00:10:42.500 --> 00:10:45.799 um in the weeds because there are so many different 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:48.220 things people can get triggered by but this one 00:10:48.220 --> 00:10:51.580 has a lot of the big ones i mean you have his 00:10:51.580 --> 00:10:55.059 pet cat dies and you see it and you see it a 00:10:55.059 --> 00:10:57.860 lot it does look fake but it also which i think 00:10:57.860 --> 00:11:00.600 is good and that's not a criticism of we don't 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:05.429 need it to look real um but yeah And you linger 00:11:05.429 --> 00:11:08.649 on it, too. You never see its face. No. I just 00:11:08.649 --> 00:11:10.750 thought about that. That's probably a deliberate 00:11:10.750 --> 00:11:13.870 choice. It's a very important part of the movie. 00:11:13.970 --> 00:11:16.690 It doesn't feel like it's being gratuitous or 00:11:16.690 --> 00:11:20.009 anything. The movie also has a surprising amount 00:11:20.009 --> 00:11:23.289 of gore in it. And what's funny is I actually 00:11:23.289 --> 00:11:26.789 read that the violence in this was cut down from 00:11:26.789 --> 00:11:29.570 the festival version, which is a little disappointing. 00:11:29.570 --> 00:11:32.330 I kind of want to know, like... what they cut 00:11:32.330 --> 00:11:34.909 maybe that'll be in like the physical release 00:11:34.909 --> 00:11:37.929 because apparently i think what i read was they 00:11:37.929 --> 00:11:41.090 were trying to avoid an nc -17 rating oh okay 00:11:41.090 --> 00:11:43.750 well they definitely were on the line yeah but 00:11:43.750 --> 00:11:45.730 i'm wondering like what could they have possibly 00:11:45.730 --> 00:11:49.289 cut i don't know um but yeah it does get pretty 00:11:49.289 --> 00:11:52.370 violent and then of course the main thing deals 00:11:52.370 --> 00:11:56.389 with the depiction of abusive relationships like 00:11:56.389 --> 00:11:58.649 i'd heard before we went the reason why like 00:11:58.649 --> 00:12:01.080 we had to come up with a game plan Because I 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:03.179 read that I read a couple of people who said 00:12:03.179 --> 00:12:06.940 they basically had a panic attack in the parking 00:12:06.940 --> 00:12:10.279 lot after seeing this. And so we had to come 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:11.759 up with the whole thing. You were wearing the 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:15.820 AirPods with the noise canceling. I had turnstile 00:12:15.820 --> 00:12:20.799 loaded up. I love that their newest album. I've 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:24.240 queued that up just in case. Yeah. So that way, 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.080 like if it got to be too much, you could just 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:29.879 click the AirPod, close your eyes. We felt like 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:33.659 we had to be prepared. And you know what? I'm 00:12:33.659 --> 00:12:37.080 glad I knew that going in. Because I wasn't even 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:40.179 thinking about that. Because I was like, well, 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:43.059 I know I'm going to want to see it. But I'm glad 00:12:43.059 --> 00:12:47.700 that I was aware of... I mean, there is a scene 00:12:47.700 --> 00:12:51.139 that is sexual assault. Like, it's non -consensual. 00:12:51.259 --> 00:12:55.950 That too. And I'm glad I knew that. I mean, anything 00:12:55.950 --> 00:12:59.610 involving sex in this context is going to be 00:12:59.610 --> 00:13:01.750 a sexual assault because she isn't really in 00:13:01.750 --> 00:13:04.669 a place where she can consent. No, not at all. 00:13:05.009 --> 00:13:08.990 Were you OK with overall? Did you ever have to 00:13:08.990 --> 00:13:11.129 turn the music on? No, I never had to turn the 00:13:11.129 --> 00:13:13.269 music on or anything. Like I said, it kind of 00:13:13.269 --> 00:13:16.049 like I think I was able to really like bounce 00:13:16.049 --> 00:13:18.210 back from it pretty quickly because I just let 00:13:18.210 --> 00:13:20.409 myself get immersed back into the movie instead 00:13:20.409 --> 00:13:26.000 of like pondering in flashbacks. So, but it also, 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:30.100 it plays with suicide. Um, there are some jump 00:13:30.100 --> 00:13:32.480 scares. I think he's doing really good at the 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:35.639 whole, like putting you on edge, building up 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:37.220 to something and then being like, it's like, 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:40.559 but then like in the next scene, he'll fuck you 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:43.679 up. What you expected in the first place. Yeah. 00:13:43.779 --> 00:13:46.879 Yeah. So it definitely, it goes like a little 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.179 bit harder than I expected it to, but that's 00:13:50.179 --> 00:13:52.370 some, that's the nature of the movie. You know, 00:13:52.389 --> 00:13:55.049 and I think it just does such a great job with 00:13:55.049 --> 00:14:00.250 every part of it that it's effective. It's so 00:14:00.250 --> 00:14:03.029 well written, so well acted, so well directed, 00:14:03.070 --> 00:14:06.289 like everything firing on all cylinders. And 00:14:06.289 --> 00:14:10.789 it's just fucking eye wateringly scary. Yeah. 00:14:11.049 --> 00:14:13.029 Did you have any other like general thoughts? 00:14:13.789 --> 00:14:17.690 No, I want to get into it. Then let's get in 00:14:17.690 --> 00:14:23.649 the spoilers and get into the heavy shit. I feel 00:14:23.649 --> 00:14:26.769 like in the beginning I was kind of rooting for 00:14:26.769 --> 00:14:29.750 him, you know, before we get into the whole wish 00:14:29.750 --> 00:14:34.409 part. At the same time, it did feel like, I don't 00:14:34.409 --> 00:14:36.029 know, there was kind of it felt like there were 00:14:36.029 --> 00:14:39.309 some red flags very early on because the way 00:14:39.309 --> 00:14:43.289 he just seemed like so nervously obsessed and 00:14:43.289 --> 00:14:46.190 it seemed like it was not really reciprocated. 00:14:47.149 --> 00:14:48.870 There was a certain point where it was kind of 00:14:48.870 --> 00:14:52.580 like, brother, you got to move on. Yeah. But 00:14:52.580 --> 00:14:54.500 it's just it is interesting how throughout the 00:14:54.500 --> 00:14:57.320 rest of the movie, it's like he really he seems 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:01.559 to be the typical like nice guy type of dude. 00:15:01.980 --> 00:15:04.360 And I think like just the fact that he makes 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:08.460 this wish shows how selfish that his feelings 00:15:08.460 --> 00:15:11.740 are overall, because he's not taking her into 00:15:11.740 --> 00:15:14.259 account at all. And I think that was something 00:15:14.259 --> 00:15:17.139 in one of the interviews I saw recently is that 00:15:17.139 --> 00:15:20.779 she had this personality that was very like outgoing. 00:15:21.629 --> 00:15:24.730 Very confident. And then after the wish, it's 00:15:24.730 --> 00:15:26.870 like she changes into this completely different 00:15:26.870 --> 00:15:29.370 person. Yeah. I don't know how he could be with 00:15:29.370 --> 00:15:31.590 someone like this when she is clearly acting 00:15:31.590 --> 00:15:34.110 like a different person. Like it makes it feel 00:15:34.110 --> 00:15:36.169 like he was never really in love with her. It 00:15:36.169 --> 00:15:39.110 was like the idea of her. Yeah. When it starts 00:15:39.110 --> 00:15:42.009 to get really scary is when they start like really 00:15:42.009 --> 00:15:46.370 exploring what she is going through. I'm wondering 00:15:46.370 --> 00:15:48.549 how you feel about this. It almost feels like 00:15:48.549 --> 00:15:52.129 there is like. a separate entity that is taking 00:15:52.129 --> 00:15:55.950 over her body. Yes. And she is just like somewhere 00:15:55.950 --> 00:15:58.610 inside of there watching this all happen. Yeah. 00:15:58.909 --> 00:16:01.169 It's just it's interesting how there is this 00:16:01.169 --> 00:16:04.730 bit of lore because as crazy as the whole concept 00:16:04.730 --> 00:16:07.529 is, it feels like the movie takes it very seriously 00:16:07.529 --> 00:16:10.850 because there are a few parts where she's having 00:16:10.850 --> 00:16:13.970 a moment with him and they give you those fucking 00:16:13.970 --> 00:16:16.529 jump scares when it's almost like she wakes up 00:16:16.529 --> 00:16:19.700 for like a second and freaks out. That stuff 00:16:19.700 --> 00:16:21.779 is like it's scary in so many levels because 00:16:21.779 --> 00:16:24.059 it was it was scary on the literal like jump 00:16:24.059 --> 00:16:26.740 scare level. But then when you stop and really 00:16:26.740 --> 00:16:29.700 think about what she's going through, it is it's 00:16:29.700 --> 00:16:32.019 pretty terrifying. Actually, that was a really 00:16:32.019 --> 00:16:36.120 good way to depict that she wasn't in control, 00:16:36.220 --> 00:16:40.379 but still there. They also have the the first 00:16:40.379 --> 00:16:42.980 one is the phone call when he calls the number 00:16:42.980 --> 00:16:45.710 on the back of the one wish willow. and curry 00:16:45.710 --> 00:16:48.409 barker answers i like how we both clocked that 00:16:48.409 --> 00:16:51.269 immediately yeah well it made me laugh i don't 00:16:51.269 --> 00:16:53.129 know what it is about that voice that just makes 00:16:53.129 --> 00:16:55.490 me laugh i guess because i've seen so many like 00:16:55.490 --> 00:16:58.789 videos now of them it just makes me laugh like 00:16:58.789 --> 00:17:00.529 you know this guy's gonna say something fucking 00:17:00.529 --> 00:17:03.029 funny it's like it's like tim robinson like as 00:17:03.029 --> 00:17:05.089 soon as he starts talking he's like oh what's 00:17:05.089 --> 00:17:08.349 this guy couldn't say it's gonna be funny and 00:17:08.349 --> 00:17:12.059 you actually you caught a pretty crazy uh easter 00:17:12.059 --> 00:17:14.839 egg right yeah i was looking through the cast 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:18.519 and i saw in the background tim robinson was 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:20.700 there and i'm thinking that's sneaky little it 00:17:20.700 --> 00:17:24.920 makes so much sense his content is so similar 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:27.900 oh yeah we were talking about that too did he 00:17:27.900 --> 00:17:30.559 say he was working on a comedy project i didn't 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:33.579 catch that um i'm not sure what type of project 00:17:33.579 --> 00:17:36.200 it was but he said he wasn't allowed to really 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:40.089 say who's on the project but Immediately, I felt 00:17:40.089 --> 00:17:42.289 like it's got to be Tim Robinson. That would 00:17:42.289 --> 00:17:44.690 be so funny. That also might just be my bias 00:17:44.690 --> 00:17:47.069 because I love Tim Robinson so much. It would 00:17:47.069 --> 00:17:49.130 make so much sense. Yeah, it would. But it's 00:17:49.130 --> 00:17:51.349 funny. We were both we were thinking that. And 00:17:51.349 --> 00:17:53.289 then you see it in the credits. It's like you 00:17:53.289 --> 00:17:57.109 fucking sneaky little bitch. Like I see you sneaking 00:17:57.109 --> 00:18:00.150 it in. So when they announce a project together, 00:18:00.289 --> 00:18:03.890 just remember, we fucking called it. But yeah, 00:18:03.910 --> 00:18:07.299 when he makes the phone call. um when he's like 00:18:07.299 --> 00:18:08.940 yeah you want to talk to her and you just hear 00:18:08.940 --> 00:18:11.779 screaming in the background that really opens 00:18:11.779 --> 00:18:15.980 the door to like this much bigger kind of world 00:18:15.980 --> 00:18:17.980 it's almost it reminds me of stuff like talk 00:18:17.980 --> 00:18:20.380 to me you know where it's like the implications 00:18:20.380 --> 00:18:24.140 are so much bigger than this little pinhole thing 00:18:24.140 --> 00:18:26.079 you're getting in the movie i think that was 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:29.940 like such an effective way to showcase that i 00:18:29.940 --> 00:18:32.859 clocked right away remember when he was uh he 00:18:32.859 --> 00:18:35.619 was like going on reddit to see What people were 00:18:35.619 --> 00:18:37.940 saying about the one wish willow. Yeah. Like, 00:18:37.980 --> 00:18:41.180 are wishes real? And all these people were like, 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:44.039 yeah, it's real. And I noticed all the people 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:47.039 that said no were people who hadn't tried it 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:50.099 yet. And I took no to that. It was like, oh, 00:18:50.180 --> 00:18:53.119 so I guess there are really other people getting 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:55.519 wishes out there. And you get the shopkeeper 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:57.779 later, too, who's like, oh, no, I use my wish. 00:18:57.900 --> 00:19:00.740 Yeah. What do you wish for? I don't know. But 00:19:00.740 --> 00:19:03.259 did you see that he's exploring, Curry Barker 00:19:03.259 --> 00:19:05.619 is exploring an anthology series with this? Yeah. 00:19:05.660 --> 00:19:08.039 Which I think is going to be really cool. I saw 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:10.039 that. That's like one of those, I feel like there's 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:13.220 a few things everyone can bring up like, ah, 00:19:13.299 --> 00:19:15.160 have you heard this? Because Curry Barker is 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.140 just on every algorithm. So there is, yeah, the 00:19:18.140 --> 00:19:21.119 anthology of different wishes gone bad. There's 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:24.880 also Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And he... Just 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:26.579 finished filming a movie. Did you hear that? 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:30.019 No, I didn't. Oh, my God. It's a movie. It's 00:19:30.019 --> 00:19:32.859 another horror movie with Aaron Paul. Oh, wait. 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:34.900 Yeah, I did hear about that. Right. Yeah. That's 00:19:34.900 --> 00:19:37.339 so cool. I just love I mean, he's starting to 00:19:37.339 --> 00:19:39.720 pull Oz Perkins here. He is. But you know what? 00:19:40.099 --> 00:19:43.079 I love Oz Perkins. Yeah. So give me more. We 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:45.480 can get like three Curry Barker movies every 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.819 year. That'd be great. And also, if you haven't 00:19:48.819 --> 00:19:51.059 seen Milk and Cereal, you should go see Milk 00:19:51.059 --> 00:19:54.339 and Cereal. And The Chair. Yeah. But it was it 00:19:54.339 --> 00:19:57.859 was like also interesting. And I think it effectively 00:19:57.859 --> 00:20:01.160 describes Bear's character that he kind of figures 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:03.480 out at a certain point that like, yeah, the way 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:06.359 to stop this is just you got to die. Yeah. You 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:09.900 know, and the way that he just refuses to accept 00:20:09.900 --> 00:20:13.259 responsibility and is trying to find so many 00:20:13.259 --> 00:20:15.559 other ways, even just early on when she's starting 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:18.990 to act fucking crazy. The way he sits her down 00:20:18.990 --> 00:20:21.230 is like, just can you please not do that? Like, 00:20:21.250 --> 00:20:23.069 can you please be normal? And this is just all 00:20:23.069 --> 00:20:26.049 of his own making. Yeah. But it shows how much 00:20:26.049 --> 00:20:28.710 he is just really trying to construct this perfect, 00:20:28.789 --> 00:20:31.549 you know, dream relationship that just doesn't 00:20:31.549 --> 00:20:34.869 exist. Yeah. And his whole life falls apart because 00:20:34.869 --> 00:20:37.130 of it. Yeah. But it just takes until like the 00:20:37.130 --> 00:20:39.789 very end of the movie for him to even take any 00:20:39.789 --> 00:20:42.970 responsibility. And even then he tries to pull 00:20:42.970 --> 00:20:45.529 out at the last second. We'll get to that whole 00:20:45.529 --> 00:20:47.390 thing later. Yeah. Because I actually, I have 00:20:47.390 --> 00:20:50.849 some stuff to say about the ending. Okay. But 00:20:50.849 --> 00:20:54.490 yeah, the scares in this, I mean, part of it 00:20:54.490 --> 00:20:58.170 comes from the relationship dynamics, which I'm 00:20:58.170 --> 00:21:01.589 going to get to in a second. But goddamn, that 00:21:01.589 --> 00:21:04.549 scene when she is watching him sleep from the 00:21:04.549 --> 00:21:07.210 corner of the fucking room. That scene literally 00:21:07.210 --> 00:21:11.109 made me cry. That was, yeah. That was one of 00:21:11.109 --> 00:21:14.130 the scenes that made my eyes water. I guess I 00:21:14.130 --> 00:21:18.670 was like pre -crying. Pre -cry, okay. That was 00:21:18.670 --> 00:21:22.769 too goddamn much. No, it's the way she was hidden, 00:21:22.910 --> 00:21:25.369 but the way you could just see enough of her 00:21:25.369 --> 00:21:27.170 face. And she was talking to him. And she looked. 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:29.819 Yeah, but she was talking to him and then she 00:21:29.819 --> 00:21:33.500 made this insane frown that I've never seen a 00:21:33.500 --> 00:21:36.579 human make before. And it made me so uncomfortable 00:21:36.579 --> 00:21:40.880 and I was so scared. There were a lot of parts. 00:21:40.940 --> 00:21:43.960 I think this is so worth watching in theaters 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:46.839 because the way that there are so many parts 00:21:46.839 --> 00:21:49.559 where she'll be in the dark and you can just 00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:53.559 barely see her face. Yeah. I know that a lot 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:55.400 of people are going to watch this at home on 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:58.630 their shitty ass. tvs that they configured wrong 00:21:58.630 --> 00:22:00.970 yeah so it's gonna be too bright it's like it 00:22:00.970 --> 00:22:03.589 is so perfectly rendered and it's so fucking 00:22:03.589 --> 00:22:05.529 creepy yeah because it happens a lot where she'll 00:22:05.529 --> 00:22:07.289 be in the dark and you'll see her eyes shining 00:22:07.289 --> 00:22:09.630 yeah and you can't really see her face well apparently 00:22:09.630 --> 00:22:12.470 they specifically lit her eyes like that to make 00:22:12.470 --> 00:22:14.630 it i'm not surprised i thought that that was 00:22:14.630 --> 00:22:20.210 really cool and it was very effective so what's 00:22:20.210 --> 00:22:22.609 so interesting though with their relationship 00:22:22.609 --> 00:22:26.779 i guess i'll uh i want to know like what resonated 00:22:26.779 --> 00:22:31.160 with you but i guess i'll like start what makes 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:33.599 it so interesting is the way that it handles 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:36.599 both sides of this where obviously nikki is not 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:39.640 in control of her action she's not to blame for 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:43.680 any of this but the way that this entity works 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:48.099 is very accurately depicting a certain side of 00:22:48.099 --> 00:22:51.400 a abusive relationship while bear has like a 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:54.279 whole different side being more like controlling 00:22:55.049 --> 00:22:58.390 And manipulative in his own ways. But the big 00:22:58.390 --> 00:23:02.529 ones for me, one that really just had me feeling 00:23:02.529 --> 00:23:04.869 super uncomfortable was the restaurant scene. 00:23:05.849 --> 00:23:08.930 Because remember, he calls her out for lying 00:23:08.930 --> 00:23:13.769 about her father. And she freaks the fuck out. 00:23:13.769 --> 00:23:18.289 She goes, don't do that. And it was like, boy, 00:23:18.430 --> 00:23:26.410 you better not. It is so fucked up, though, because 00:23:26.410 --> 00:23:29.390 that's what I'm getting at. You really I feel 00:23:29.390 --> 00:23:32.470 like you really put yourself out there on here 00:23:32.470 --> 00:23:35.250 often. And I'm kind of sitting back. So I do 00:23:35.250 --> 00:23:37.970 want to talk a little bit more about my past 00:23:37.970 --> 00:23:41.789 experiences. I feel like it's only fair. But 00:23:41.789 --> 00:23:45.049 like there were a couple of times when in a past 00:23:45.049 --> 00:23:48.910 relationship, I would catch them lying about 00:23:48.910 --> 00:23:52.529 something. And if we were in public, that would 00:23:52.529 --> 00:23:56.450 happen. As a defensive reaction, they would just 00:23:56.450 --> 00:23:59.630 flip the fuck out and make a big scene. And that 00:23:59.630 --> 00:24:02.890 shit, that was like just part of what made that 00:24:02.890 --> 00:24:05.569 relationship feel, make me feel so anxious all 00:24:05.569 --> 00:24:08.730 the goddamn time. Yeah. So that was like very 00:24:08.730 --> 00:24:12.869 real. What, um, what really hit for you? Well, 00:24:13.009 --> 00:24:17.789 I, it was the sex scene. Like the way, first 00:24:17.789 --> 00:24:21.410 of all, Indy did an incredible job. performing 00:24:21.410 --> 00:24:24.769 in this film um she's gonna be in fucking everything 00:24:24.769 --> 00:24:27.990 i hope her career blasts off because i'm ready 00:24:27.990 --> 00:24:32.890 to see it but specifically how she captured it's 00:24:32.890 --> 00:24:36.269 almost like being disembodied she like disassociated 00:24:36.269 --> 00:24:39.890 yeah i guess i haven't really been able to like 00:24:39.890 --> 00:24:41.809 think about it much because think about all the 00:24:41.809 --> 00:24:45.109 other stuff yeah i'm seeing the way that she 00:24:45.109 --> 00:24:49.630 acted that scene i'm sure there are other people 00:24:50.250 --> 00:24:54.690 who can also associate with that feeling, unfortunately. 00:24:55.369 --> 00:24:58.769 But I think that she acted it in a way where 00:24:58.769 --> 00:25:02.750 I was more attached to my sympathy for her. Well, 00:25:02.789 --> 00:25:05.210 I think you're getting a look at the real her 00:25:05.210 --> 00:25:08.750 in that moment. Well, yeah. Yeah, that was really 00:25:08.750 --> 00:25:11.029 effective between that and the part where she's 00:25:11.029 --> 00:25:13.730 talking in her sleep and just telling him to 00:25:13.730 --> 00:25:16.869 kill her. It's like, it just really captures 00:25:16.869 --> 00:25:21.160 that feeling of being trapped. And being unable 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:24.480 to have any kind of autonomy or control over 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:26.980 your life, it's very scary. And I think a lot 00:25:26.980 --> 00:25:29.740 of people experience that too in relationships 00:25:29.740 --> 00:25:33.000 because you'll feel trapped for one reason or 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:36.859 another. That was definitely how I felt. And 00:25:36.859 --> 00:25:39.180 it does make you feel kind of like you don't 00:25:39.180 --> 00:25:43.680 have control of your life. Just the idea of being 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:46.819 with someone and every day wondering, like, what's 00:25:46.819 --> 00:25:49.029 it going to be today? You know, like that kind 00:25:49.029 --> 00:25:52.950 of anxiety was scary. It like really took me 00:25:52.950 --> 00:25:56.329 back to that. I'm so fucking thankful I met you. 00:25:56.549 --> 00:25:59.410 Jesus Christ. Thankful I met you too. That is 00:25:59.410 --> 00:26:01.549 by far the best thing that ever happened to me. 00:26:02.549 --> 00:26:05.589 It's interesting because even though in this 00:26:05.589 --> 00:26:07.630 literal sense, it's like, you know what's happening, 00:26:07.710 --> 00:26:10.450 that it's this wish. But to everyone on the outside, 00:26:10.769 --> 00:26:14.690 notice that they see it as a problematic relationship 00:26:14.690 --> 00:26:17.809 and they all blame Bear. I thought that was interesting 00:26:17.809 --> 00:26:21.769 because it's like they are right. No, they're 00:26:21.769 --> 00:26:24.329 right. But they don't realize why they're right. 00:26:24.410 --> 00:26:25.910 Yeah. But it's because, yeah, on the outside, 00:26:26.009 --> 00:26:28.789 it looks like he is taking advantage of her in 00:26:28.789 --> 00:26:31.690 some way. Yeah. Well, apparently, you know, she's 00:26:31.690 --> 00:26:34.269 has this lie about her dad or whatever, which 00:26:34.269 --> 00:26:36.750 everyone's confused about. But at the same time, 00:26:36.750 --> 00:26:39.410 they're like, well, if that is true, then why 00:26:39.410 --> 00:26:42.430 are you doing this? Like she's not in a good 00:26:42.430 --> 00:26:45.400 place. Exactly. Which is like, yeah, it's a fucking 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:47.619 good question, because I think it really starts 00:26:47.619 --> 00:26:52.000 to hone in on the idea that this is not a good 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.480 situation and it is at Nikki's expense. Like 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:58.440 she is the victim here. And he had to fucking 00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:00.059 know something was wrong. Like as soon as she 00:27:00.059 --> 00:27:02.740 duct taped the door, there was like. Well, I 00:27:02.740 --> 00:27:05.460 think that goes in line with he was willing to 00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:09.279 sacrifice whatever it was, whatever quirks or 00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:12.660 things that. happened because he was just with 00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:15.839 her just for his fantasy yeah yeah i think he 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.799 was well aware that was not good he just was 00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:24.599 like i guess this is what i gotta do he has no 00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.599 excuse like he has to know she's suffering but 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:30.819 this is all really leading up to the ending and 00:27:30.819 --> 00:27:33.920 i think like one of the big turning points leading 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.980 up to that was when um bear met with his friend 00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:41.329 what was her name sarah uh which is the scene 00:27:41.329 --> 00:27:45.430 that has the most gore by far in the movie that 00:27:45.430 --> 00:27:47.990 scene was pretty crazy i managed to like totally 00:27:47.990 --> 00:27:50.890 stay in the dark i didn't know what was coming 00:27:50.890 --> 00:27:53.029 why were they they were already spoiling i'm 00:27:53.029 --> 00:27:55.130 fucking sure because i saw a few people need 00:27:55.130 --> 00:27:57.549 to chill out with that shit that's crazy movie 00:27:57.549 --> 00:28:01.170 just came out well i saw a few things where it 00:28:01.170 --> 00:28:04.049 was when i saw people talking about how surprisingly 00:28:04.049 --> 00:28:06.910 violent it was and i just had to like stop reading 00:28:06.910 --> 00:28:09.440 so many comments So that managed to be pretty 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:12.220 fucking shocking. But it was also kind of scary 00:28:12.220 --> 00:28:15.240 because I think that's a real turning point. 00:28:15.339 --> 00:28:18.599 After that, it's like, even if he breaks this 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:22.539 wish, he has ruined her life. Yeah. You know 00:28:22.539 --> 00:28:25.079 what I mean? Yeah. That's the first like truly 00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:29.099 irreversible part of this. And of course, it's 00:28:29.099 --> 00:28:31.720 interesting that that's the point when he starts 00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:33.460 like desperately trying to figure out how the 00:28:33.460 --> 00:28:36.819 fuck do I stop this thing? Leading up to him, 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:40.319 like, finally taking some responsibility to kill 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:42.220 himself. And even that, like, the way he's going 00:28:42.220 --> 00:28:44.400 through all these different things to figure 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.099 out, like, what would be the easiest way for 00:28:46.099 --> 00:28:48.799 me to do this? Yeah. Like, even then. In the 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.680 end scene where Sarah's body is, like, mutilated 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:56.799 in the room. Oh, yeah. And then it's just, like, 00:28:56.819 --> 00:28:59.539 blood and gore everywhere. It really made me 00:28:59.539 --> 00:29:02.279 think of Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which I thought 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:05.940 was interesting now knowing. Yeah. He got the 00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:09.880 keys to the Texas Chainsaw for A24, right? Oh, 00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:11.420 I don't know. I think it was. I thought it was. 00:29:11.420 --> 00:29:12.619 Maybe not. That would be pretty cool. This is 00:29:12.619 --> 00:29:15.619 definitely his wheelhouse. Yeah. I did hear that 00:29:15.619 --> 00:29:18.559 he hasn't seen all of the Texas Chainsaw movies 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:20.339 yet, though. He said he was, like, doing research. 00:29:20.539 --> 00:29:22.319 Oh, yeah. I had to remember, like, all right, 00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:25.000 he's young. He's very young. We have, unfortunately, 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:28.240 been through every one of those. We have, yes. 00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:32.210 But it's, like, it is a... very bleak ending 00:29:32.210 --> 00:29:34.589 because at a certain point I was wondering like 00:29:34.589 --> 00:29:37.029 who is going to die here like because clearly 00:29:37.029 --> 00:29:40.150 someone's going to have to die and it almost 00:29:40.150 --> 00:29:41.930 sets it up as like there are a few different 00:29:41.930 --> 00:29:45.029 possibilities like you know the one possibility 00:29:45.029 --> 00:29:49.430 is that he doesn't die and she makes the wish 00:29:49.430 --> 00:29:52.650 that he would love her back basically what the 00:29:52.650 --> 00:29:55.210 fuck does that look like having to live out your 00:29:55.210 --> 00:29:58.069 entire life with both of you trapped in a love 00:29:58.069 --> 00:30:01.519 spell That's pretty scary on its own because 00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.160 then neither of you have any control. But then 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:07.240 there's also the possibility of both of them 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.240 dying, which seems like pretty unfair if Nikki 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:13.519 should have to like meet that kind of fate after 00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:16.119 all of this. And then the one that we actually 00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:20.920 get is just Bear dies. Nikki's alive. And maybe 00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:24.130 it's not really any better. Because her entire 00:30:24.130 --> 00:30:26.589 life is fucked up. Oh, yeah. She wakes up in 00:30:26.589 --> 00:30:28.990 a room and all her friends are dead. Like, yeah. 00:30:29.549 --> 00:30:33.309 Well, and who knows how aware she was of all 00:30:33.309 --> 00:30:35.769 of this? You know what I mean? Because I do wonder. 00:30:35.769 --> 00:30:38.609 Yeah. I don't know if she was like able to keep 00:30:38.609 --> 00:30:41.079 track of what was happening. That's the question 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:43.400 is like how much of her was in there? Was she 00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:46.140 just coming out sometimes or was she seeing everything 00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:49.099 and just unable to control herself? My interpretation 00:30:49.099 --> 00:30:51.680 was that her coming out every now and then was 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:57.539 either a glitch in the spell or that she was 00:30:57.539 --> 00:31:00.579 pushing so hard to like get to the surface. Like 00:31:00.579 --> 00:31:03.519 maybe it takes a lot to get to the surface. Those 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.319 are very interesting questions around like the 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:09.119 lore of this wish. And I'm glad we don't fully 00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:11.859 get the answers. You know, I think it's great 00:31:11.859 --> 00:31:14.420 to have like a little ambiguity here. I think 00:31:14.420 --> 00:31:19.119 I'm on a line where like I personally would kind 00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.900 of want to know a little bit more. I think there's 00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:24.559 a part of me that wants to see like the One Wish 00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:29.039 Willow call center. I feel like it's just Curry 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:33.140 Barker dressed up as the devil. That's where 00:31:33.140 --> 00:31:37.420 Tim Robinson is. He's definitely in there. What 00:31:37.420 --> 00:31:41.680 was his background work? The thing is, Tim Robinson, 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:44.099 I want to see. He was listed in the movie as 00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:46.160 background. I want to see it. It's definitely 00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:48.339 a little fucking Easter egg somewhere. I have 00:31:48.339 --> 00:31:50.519 to watch the movie again, which I don't know. 00:31:50.539 --> 00:31:52.599 Look, I really, really love this movie. Oh, I 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:54.160 want to see it again. Pretty bad. But I'm so 00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:56.519 scared to watch it again. It's cool because there 00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.740 are just so many different scary parts. Yeah. 00:31:59.960 --> 00:32:01.880 That's what's so great. It's not like, oh, there's 00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:04.140 that one big crazy part. It's like, no, it's 00:32:04.140 --> 00:32:08.359 just fucking constant. weird scary shit but like 00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:11.880 the the kind of thought that i had about the 00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:13.799 ending which i really thought about when we first 00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.519 started talking this movie really feels like 00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:20.400 it has like young director energy because i think 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.059 something i'm seeing more and more we've talked 00:32:22.059 --> 00:32:25.180 about this the idea of like bleak endings and 00:32:25.180 --> 00:32:28.880 how we're like generally not a fan of them and 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.299 i think it really it's probably partly because 00:32:31.299 --> 00:32:33.720 we're just fucking old I think that is something 00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:36.220 that as you get older, you're kind of like, all 00:32:36.220 --> 00:32:39.059 right, I get it. Like, give me something. Give 00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:42.019 me a high note to end this on because I know 00:32:42.019 --> 00:32:45.059 I fucking know how terrible shit is. Yeah, I 00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:47.759 think there's something about as you get older, 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:50.420 you witness things that are more bleak in real 00:32:50.420 --> 00:32:54.359 life. Yeah. But I feel like it's these young 00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:56.400 directors who are still like, yeah, let's fuck 00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:58.140 them up. You know, they don't have that same 00:32:58.140 --> 00:33:00.579 perspective. I mean, you saw it with the Philippines 00:33:00.579 --> 00:33:03.440 too, like they love their bleak ass endings. 00:33:03.619 --> 00:33:06.480 And I'm not complaining. I think there really 00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:09.700 wasn't any other way to end this. Well, I think 00:33:09.700 --> 00:33:13.480 there's been a lot more empathy being rolled 00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:16.539 into horror than there used to be. There used 00:33:16.539 --> 00:33:18.940 to be a lot of films that would really explore 00:33:18.940 --> 00:33:23.769 super bleak, horrible. sexual assault scenes 00:33:23.769 --> 00:33:26.490 and all kinds of stuff all all the bad stuff 00:33:26.490 --> 00:33:29.470 we know all about we went back to the 2000s where 00:33:29.470 --> 00:33:32.390 animals are just dying in every fucking horror 00:33:32.390 --> 00:33:37.750 movie yeah but it's being ripley i'm losing my 00:33:37.750 --> 00:33:39.769 train of thought there's too many things happening 00:33:39.769 --> 00:33:43.130 um i think there's a there's been a lot of horror 00:33:43.130 --> 00:33:45.509 films that just put a lot of gratuitous horrible 00:33:45.509 --> 00:33:49.099 things in movies just to do it Just to be like, 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.420 check out how fucked up this is. Yeah, it's all 00:33:51.420 --> 00:33:54.119 for shock value. And it's honestly, it's boring. 00:33:54.259 --> 00:33:57.220 And I'm glad we have like separated from that. 00:33:57.299 --> 00:34:00.140 Those are the parts of horror that I don't like. 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:03.660 I think it's weird. Sometimes it's fetish shit. 00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:05.960 And it's like, I don't want it in the film. I 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:07.700 feel like you only put it in the film so you 00:34:07.700 --> 00:34:09.420 could take advantage of the actress. And it's 00:34:09.420 --> 00:34:11.800 like, I don't want to see that. Where I'm coming 00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:14.480 down more and more is like, you have to earn 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.239 it. Like, I don't have a problem with. bleak 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:20.800 content bleak endings but you gotta earn it and 00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.219 i think that um obsession they earned it well 00:34:24.219 --> 00:34:26.519 it's all very effectively done it's all being 00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:28.380 handled with care and i heard that there were 00:34:28.380 --> 00:34:30.340 a lot of women that worked on this film which 00:34:30.340 --> 00:34:33.420 is really cool i love to hear that uh specifically 00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:37.179 the production design was a woman and that is 00:34:37.179 --> 00:34:39.539 super fucking cool that one wish willow design 00:34:39.539 --> 00:34:43.320 is so cool yes yeah yeah i read a lot about how 00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:46.119 they came up with that and It's so interesting, 00:34:46.219 --> 00:34:48.079 like, how much goes into that little fucking 00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:51.460 thing. Yeah, and the Green Man, that's an actual 00:34:51.460 --> 00:34:54.179 store in Burbank. Oh. Which I thought was really 00:34:54.179 --> 00:34:56.599 cool. The Crystal Mommy store? Yeah, the Crystal 00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:59.159 Mommy store. I was like, wow, they did pretty 00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:00.880 good. That is what they look like. Well, it's 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.280 because it's a real store. And you can go there, 00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:05.519 I think, limited time. They have One Wish Willows. 00:35:05.539 --> 00:35:06.460 You can go pick up a proper book. Oh, that's 00:35:06.460 --> 00:35:09.659 too fucking cool. Yeah. I would love to have 00:35:09.659 --> 00:35:12.119 a little One Wish Willow. I wouldn't use it, 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.780 though. God, I hope not. You don't even need 00:35:15.780 --> 00:35:19.599 to. You already got it. You didn't have to fucking 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:24.519 hypnotize me to do it. Thank God, because I don't 00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:29.320 want to do any of that. Oh, that's scary. Yeah. 00:35:29.980 --> 00:35:34.139 And you know, if A24 had gotten this, that fucking 00:35:34.139 --> 00:35:36.059 little one -wish willow would have been on the 00:35:36.059 --> 00:35:39.679 A24 shop for sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We lost out 00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:43.099 on that. This has been a great fucking month. 00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:47.019 I mean, we had Kokum. now we got obsession all 00:35:47.019 --> 00:35:49.800 we got left is back rooms ready for that to blow 00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:52.760 my fucking tits off next weekend right i think 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.699 it's the one after i'm just so excited to see 00:35:55.699 --> 00:36:00.179 it yeah may is uh crazy for horror movies right 00:36:00.179 --> 00:36:02.679 now but it makes me kind of nervous for the rest 00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:05.679 of the year because i feel like we've been really 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:08.099 spoiled at the beginning of the year with all 00:36:08.099 --> 00:36:10.400 this good horror Yeah, I mean, I don't know. 00:36:10.500 --> 00:36:14.179 I know it is horror, but I'm really excited for 00:36:14.179 --> 00:36:17.639 a scary movie. I'm like, I don't know. I don't 00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.260 think I'm with you. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, man. 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:22.739 I think because I had so many good memories watching 00:36:22.739 --> 00:36:26.059 those. I do, too. I think it's more, I don't 00:36:26.059 --> 00:36:27.800 know if you've been keeping up on the stuff they've 00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.800 been releasing, like the posters and new trailers 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.340 and stuff. I have been curious about the posters. 00:36:34.460 --> 00:36:36.519 Because if they're using AI, that would really 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.769 suck. I don't know. Yeah, I don't think they 00:36:39.769 --> 00:36:41.829 do. I think people pointed out that the early 00:36:41.829 --> 00:36:44.050 posters look just like this and they think it's 00:36:44.050 --> 00:36:47.250 just shitty Photoshop. That's the lineage. Hey, 00:36:47.250 --> 00:36:50.510 that's good. But it's more like, man, some of 00:36:50.510 --> 00:36:52.809 these jokes they're making are like the most 00:36:52.809 --> 00:36:56.929 fucking obvious stupid jokes. But also, I feel 00:36:56.929 --> 00:36:59.050 like, what, if they didn't do it, then people 00:36:59.050 --> 00:37:01.670 would be like, we didn't put this in here. Well, 00:37:02.010 --> 00:37:04.829 we'll see. We'll see. I mean, it's always possible 00:37:04.829 --> 00:37:07.769 because Naked Gun. That came out recently and 00:37:07.769 --> 00:37:10.989 somehow it's a similar type of movie and it was 00:37:10.989 --> 00:37:14.650 really funny. Yeah. We avoided seeing that for 00:37:14.650 --> 00:37:16.070 a while because we were like, there's no fucking 00:37:16.070 --> 00:37:19.869 way. Well, I was never interested to begin with, 00:37:19.949 --> 00:37:22.389 but it was funny. We'll see. I'm going to give 00:37:22.389 --> 00:37:24.070 it a chance. I guess we'll have to see it in 00:37:24.070 --> 00:37:27.130 theaters because you want to be laughing with 00:37:27.130 --> 00:37:29.710 everybody. Yeah, I want to see it. But imagine 00:37:29.710 --> 00:37:32.670 if every joke falls flat in that theater. Then 00:37:32.670 --> 00:37:36.739 that's what happens. But I'm really excited about 00:37:36.739 --> 00:37:40.760 seeing Curry Barker's next movies. Yeah. Because 00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:43.380 I can't imagine. I don't need to jigs it, but 00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:46.260 I can't imagine that he's going to this is going 00:37:46.260 --> 00:37:48.679 to be like a one hit kind of thing. Like, I think 00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:51.280 he's really got the juice. No, I think I think 00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:52.980 he's really great. And I think what's so great 00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:56.079 about it is like for I think this must be how 00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:58.559 some people felt. probably in like the 70s or 00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.960 the 80s, where you'd have these really cool horror 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:02.780 movies come out and you'd like grow with the 00:38:02.780 --> 00:38:06.079 director. Oh, yeah. Seeing the beginning of this 00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:08.360 is really cool just because he seems like such 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:11.780 a genuine, nice person who just likes, he just 00:38:11.780 --> 00:38:14.820 loves film. And what more could you want? Like, 00:38:14.820 --> 00:38:16.860 that's who I want making movies. Dropped out 00:38:16.860 --> 00:38:20.179 of film school to make YouTube comedy shorts. 00:38:20.579 --> 00:38:24.570 I'm an art school dropout too, so. Yup. Sometimes 00:38:24.570 --> 00:38:26.829 you gotta just get out there and do the fucking 00:38:26.829 --> 00:38:30.110 work. 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But I put it above sinners and below in 00:39:46.829 --> 00:39:51.730 a violent nature. Yeah, I think I agree. See, 00:39:51.869 --> 00:39:53.769 I feel like Sinners was a different horror movie. 00:39:54.190 --> 00:39:57.550 But yeah, I'll say yeah. That puts it number 00:39:57.550 --> 00:40:01.670 15 on our list. And you can contact us at podcast 00:40:01.670 --> 00:40:05.010 at ghostbeast .com. What other movies are coming 00:40:05.010 --> 00:40:07.050 out this year that we should be paying attention 00:40:07.050 --> 00:40:10.170 to? Because I cannot get excited about Passenger. 00:40:10.170 --> 00:40:14.059 I don't know why. Yeah, I've seen ads for it, 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.820 and I was like, I added it in. I do want to see 00:40:16.820 --> 00:40:19.400 Leviticus. Pretty bad. Bye.