Sister Gwen got up and said, the Lord is here
and he wants to touch you all the way that you
need it. Close your eyes and just bask in the
glory. So I closed my eyes and I was in heaven
in the presence of Jesus. Now I came with a wounded
heart and he welcomed me in and he just. danced
with me and held me and just healed my heart
at that time because I felt so rejected and abandoned.
And I walked out of that convention with a heart
that was healed. God promises in Joel 2 .28 to
pour out his spirit on all humanity. Welcome
to global outpouring. Are we content for that
promised outpouring? Will you quit for that outpouring
so that we may engage? and that very outpouring
i'm philip bus and i'm sharon bus welcome to
the podcast today we have with us a dear friend
of many years valerie melroy she's been with
us before and you can go back and listen to the
previous episode we did with her but today we're
going to talk about the things that are happening
at Global Outpouring and how we're moving forward.
And she's part of our board, so she has an interest
in that in particular. And she's also going to
share with us testimonies of things that God
did with her in her experiences at the convention.
So we want to excite you about coming to this
convention because your anointing is needed in
the body of Christ. Thanks so much for joining
us today. We're just delighted that you're with
us. And we want to encourage you, if you haven't
already done so, to go to our website, globaloutpouring
.net, and be sure that you've joined our email
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us an email, feedback at globaloutpouring .org.
Or if you're watching on YouTube or Spotify,
you can leave us a comment there. And we just
love to hear from people and just engage. We
want to build community here because... We want
to help equip you for the thing that God has
for you to do in this outpouring that has already
started. So it's really important that we stay
connected. And if you're feeling that connection
in your heart that like... this is something
I've been looking for. You also need to consider
coming to Convention 2026, May 21st through 24th,
in St. Louis, Missouri, at the Hilton St. Louis
Airport. It's right by the airport, and it's
right by the interstate. It's so easy to get
to, whether you're flying or driving. It's centrally
located in the United States, and we just encourage
you to come. We're going to have glorious worship,
and the speakers are out of this world. Well,
Some of them have been out of this world anyway.
And it's just a place where you can develop new
relationships and find a space where you belong.
That's what this is all about, is building community.
And you're going to have an amazing time in the
presence of the Lord. The speakers are wonderful.
The worship is wonderful. But your anointing
is important. So try and be there if you possibly
can. So let's talk with Valerie now. Well, Valerie,
it's a delight to have you with us again. We'll
put a link in the show notes as to our last podcast
that we did with you that'll give a little more
idea of your history and things that God has
been doing in your life. But we've been so delighted
to have you on our board of directors in, has
it been a year, two years? Yeah. So you've been
such a help to us and such a bolstering of the
calling and the strategies that God has for us.
So we just want to welcome you to this episode.
Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. My favorite
people, you and Philip. I remember way back when
we stayed at your house in the 80s and did a
recording in the... Did our first garage recording.
Oh, wow. It was a long time. Yes, we've been
friends a very long time. Very, very long. Very
long. It's been great. And good. All good. All
the time. I don't think we ever had a falling
out. That's a good thing, too. Not that you can't
stay friends even if you have a falling out.
You know, it's best to get those things repaired.
So anyway, we recently did. Well, actually, it's
been about a year that we've been working on
this, that we got together with Joanna Drexel
Blevins, who does this for a living, and she
helped us to develop a strategic plan. And it
was you that had the idea to do it. And so I
just want to turn you loose and let's just talk
about it. Let's talk about what that was about,
how it came about and what we concluded. Okay.
I love that. You know, as part of the board and
also growing up in the ministry, basically, I
met Sister Gwen when I was 16, over 50 years
ago, I'll just say that. So basically going up
in the ministry and she was one of my spiritual
moms and all. And then, you know, she appointed
you and anointed you as her successor and you
as the president, Philip as the vice president,
and then coming on the board for me. And looking
at what you were doing now, the name changed,
which was a great name. I really know that God
gave that name, Global Outpouring. And then just
thinking, because I was in business for 30 years.
and recognize how important a strategic plan
was to think about where are we now? Where are
we going? Where do we want to go? What's our
vision? So that we could all, as a new board
member, with the board members that were already
there, get on the same page. So Joanna came in
and we really took a parabolic approach, which
is a story. What's the story of global outpouring?
And, you know, I love that because... Jesus gave
stories all the time. And people could get that
story and then understand his intent behind it.
And, you know, what was really important. And
although some people didn't get it right, some
people that were religious or whatever may not
have gotten it. But she really took us through
very good steps around what's our mandate, what's
our vision, what's our mission. our core values
and our purpose. And we went through, and it
wasn't just the board. You invited other people
in, remember, from the nations and also some
young people. Various ages. Yes, various ages.
And we met pretty much every week for a while
and every other week for three months, really,
to look at all those different aspects. So I
love the mandate. It never changed the mandate,
Joel 228, right? Exactly, exactly. I think in
our early days, the word that was given to Sister
Gwen, our founder, was, you are raised up of
God to call out the end time handmaidens. And
that came from Joel 2 .29. where, you know, you
have to have 28. The Lord says, I will pour out
my spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your
daughters will prophesy, and your young men shall
see visions, your old men shall dream dreams.
And then the next verse is, and on my servants
and on my handmaidens, I will pour out of my
spirit and they shall prophesy. So it really
goes back to the initiation of the move of God
is that he pours out his spirit. So that's the
part that's in Joel 2 .28. And of course, it's
repeated on the day of Pentecost. You know, Peter
says, this is that that was spoken of by the
prophet Joel. So as we were trying to get a new
name, when the Lord gave us the word, you need
a new name, it's time to change your name. It
was just go back to the outpouring. It's about
the outpouring. And in the outpouring, we are
seeing that this is our time to encounter Jesus.
And as we have an encounter with Jesus, we're
going to engage people and help them to get an
encounter with Jesus so that everybody can learn
how much our Father loves them. It's about our
Father's love. You know, so many people trip
up on the Old Testament because they see there's
an angry God. Well, he's only angry every 400
years or so. You know, when there's been several,
several generations have gone by and they pretty
much stick with the same sins. That's when he
says, OK, that's enough. You know, let's wipe
this out and start over. And he keeps giving
another chance and he keeps giving another chance
because ultimately, ultimately, Joel 2 .28 is
about him pouring out his spirit on all flesh.
Our mandate has to do with the outpouring of
the Holy Spirit on the nations. We love the nations.
And it's not just geographic nations. It's the
people groups. It's the ethnos. It's the ethnic
groups. So, you know, you can have one nation
that has. 35 ethnic groups or 100 ethnic groups.
Like in India, there's all these different language
groups, you know, and every village is almost
its own ethnicity. And so, you know, there's
many, many, many that God tailors his encounter
with them based on who they are individually,
because he made every single person unique. He
made every single person unique to work with
him. And that's been so much the problem of the
church as we think of it, the church as it has
kind of grown into an institution, rather than
a gathering or a body of believers who each have
their own experience with him. And I'm reminded
of what it says in Jeremiah 31, starting with
verse 31 through 34. It's the description of...
the new covenant. And, you know, when Jesus gave
the Holy Communion, he said, this cup is the
new covenant in my blood. So partaking of the
cup of communion is a part of establishing ourselves
in connection with him as an individual. And
the things that he promised include, you're going
to be forgiven of your sins. I'll be your God.
You be my people. I'll write my words in your
hearts and in your minds. And the other one is,
and you will know me. Amen. That's what they
never accomplished. They never did really know
God. Yeah. And it wasn't an individual thing
back in the Old Testament where, you know, when
the children of Israel came out of Egypt, God
said right there at Mount Sinai, he said, I want
you to be a kingdom of priests to me. Well, a
priest. has a direct connection with God and
a connection with the people. So he's there in
the middle, kind of like an intercessor in between
the two. So he's looking for us to be that kingdom
of priests, to be kings and priests. So that
has to do with this encounter that we need to
experience individually, and then we engage people.
And then we help them to see the love of the
Father so that it spreads out over the whole
earth. Amen. That goes back to Joel 2 .28 because
your sons and daughters will prophesy. So he's
really talking, when you're talking about engaging
Jesus, experiencing the love of the Father, which
is our heart as well, is that our sons and our
daughters, and we're them too, right? Right.
We'll prophesy. You know, we'll dream dreams.
see visions and so we're expecting to see a lot
more of that hear a lot more dreams and visions
and and also hear about the encounters as you
said that people have and it's not going to look
like something we may think It's an individual,
like you said, because every tribe and tongue,
the Lord created tribes and tongues. And so it's
so exciting for him to have the difference. I
remember one time I was asked to speak at a big
candlelight ceremony for mental health. And I
said, what do you want me to say, Lord? And he
said, what if everybody looked like Tom Cruise
and Nicole Kidman? And what if the only color
on the earth was green? And what if? And I'm
like, oh, my gosh, it'd be so boring. And you
wouldn't get to know each other. I mean, you
would just look at somebody that looked like
you and you wouldn't be different. You wouldn't
be unique. And then he gave me this whole, I
only have five minutes to speak. So he talked
about colors and about people and about tribes
and tongues and uniqueness and how everything,
everyone he creates, what he has created brings
him such pleasure. And he wants us to find pleasure
in it too. And so when we had those encounters,
it's around. a pleasurable experience with the
Father for us and for him. Yes. So individual,
you know. Yeah. You know, the Olympics, Winter
Olympics are going on, and I forget the name
of the ice skater, Lucy Liu or something. She
has this raccoon -looking hair. I mean, that
really sets her apart. Yes. And we are each individual
unto God as an individual. You know, we all have
our different personalities and even all kindreds,
tribes and nations, how everything is so different.
Cultures are so different. But being all one
in Christ Jesus, because when the Holy Spirit
gets poured out. You know, none of that matters.
It's just like you're on your face. You're worshiping
God. And it doesn't matter what the person next
to you looks like. Because God's just moving,
which is what he's going to do. Amen. Amen. I
thought I'd just throw that in there. That's
good, Phillip. That's good. No, I love that.
And when we talk about, you know, God pouring
out as our vision. you know, his spirit on all
humanity. Yes. Even though we're not looking
at the person next to us. Oh, you know, they
look different than me. The idea is that that's
amazing that they don't look like me and they're
not like, you know what I mean? Because in our
uniqueness, then we become a body and it really
brings glory to God because we aren't the same.
We don't think the same. We may not look the
same, but in the body and with Holy Spirit, we
become one. You know, as Jesus said in his prayer,
I am the father one and he prays for us to be
one with him. And so I love the fact that because
I used to say, I don't even see color. I don't
even see ethnicity and all that. But it's not
true. That's not honoring of the people because
God created people to be a tribe and a tongue
different than mine. And so I love that. But
it's it's right, Philip. You know, that's when
we're. kneeling down and and you're with me and
i'm with you we're encountering jesus together
and even it might be a different encounter we're
still encountering the same jesus and same holy
spirit and it's beautiful yeah that's what i
love about our convention because we have all
you know the nations come in and we have all
all flavors if you want to put it that way yeah
we're blessed of the lord and highly flavored
you know Good one. So I talked with Dean recently,
Dean Braxton, who had this experience in heaven.
If you don't know who Dean Braxton is, tune in
to some of our other podcasts where we have interviewed
him. He had this experience where he died for
an hour and 45 minutes and went to heaven to
be with the Father and Jesus. And the thing that
he says about the Father is that he looks like
every one of his children. All of us look like
him. So, in as much as we celebrate the ethnicities,
we celebrate our differences, we celebrate our
uniqueness, but we are all made in the image
of our Father. And it has nothing to do with
the shade of our skin. It has nothing to do with
the food that we eat, even though ethnic food
is going to be different from people group to
people group. We look like our father. He's our
father in heaven and hallowed be his name. So
we're, you know, part of our heart in this ministry
is participating in what Jesus said when he was
teaching us the Lord's prayer is thy kingdom
come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
So the more we learn about heaven, and I just
love how God has been opening the heavens to
us, especially through our brother Dean. that
we're getting a better handle on how it is in
heaven so that we can be doing it on earth and
bringing his glory here, building his kingdom
here. It's about his kingdom. He's the king.
We've got to remember he's the king. And we are
king's daughters and sons. We belong to him.
He made us in his image. It's beautiful. Amen.
It's very beautiful. You know, I was thinking
about as we wrestled through, not wrestle, we
came up with like, talking about engaging Jesus
or encountering Jesus and then engaging people
and also what are our values for our ministry.
And, you know, I've been thinking a lot about
the integrity that the global outpouring has
carried. And, you know, we had like 20 things
listed down there as far as our core values.
And we're thinking, oh, you know, which are our
top core values? The three that we landed on,
do you have it there? I do. Truth, humility,
and compassion. Yeah, truth. If we're all about
the Holy Spirit, He is the Spirit of truth. Amen.
If we're all about Jesus, He said, I'm the way,
the truth, and the life. Amen. So, you know,
that should be a huge core value when it's all
about truth. You know, our Father doesn't lie.
He's not a man that he should lie. So that means
he's all about truth. So truth is huge, huge.
You know, we can't even stretch it. We can't
even bend it. We can't even exaggerate a little
bit. You know, I find it interesting, the people
that I know that correct themselves when they
say something and they say, no, that's not right.
And then they say it right again to make sure
that they are telling the truth. I love that.
I love that when you see that as a core value
in people, that the truth is important to them
and that, you know, that we're not going to be
running around lying to each other. It's huge.
I love that. And I love the fact that, you know,
now that I'm on the board and when things, you
know, we have a schedule, we may not make the
schedule. You don't make an excuse. You just
say, well, I didn't do it or I couldn't get,
you know what I mean? It goes down to that basic
truth. It's like, I know I can trust. you. I
know I can trust Philip. I know I can trust the
other members on the Global Outpouring Board
because we're not going to pretend or make excuses
or whatever. We're going to say, we didn't do
that. It's never bad. You know, I mean, we just
missed a deadline or whatever, but, you know,
and we pick up and do it then. And so down to
the very, like I said to the Lord one time, don't
let me get away with even anything little. You
know, make sure you go, oh, no, Valerie, like,
don't let me. And I feel like we have that heart.
Truth in all things, in all matters, finances
and in ministry and in how we talk to each other
and our relationships and that we can be very
honest and accountable to each other with that
truth. And I love that because it's integrity
to me. And it's very, very important. You know,
that reminds me of a time when the person who
was keeping our books left and I was left with
the job. And I had a terrible experience as a
first grader with math. And so even though I
could do it and and did OK all through school,
I didn't like math because of that. trauma as
a first grader. And so, you know, I was really
a little freaked out that now here I am dealing
with all these numbers in the accounting department.
And I was just struggling about it. And then
God sent a math teacher to help me with this
department for a little while. And she said,
Sharon, it's not about math. It's about accounting
for where the money goes. And it was like a light
bulb went off for me. And I thought, oh, it's
not about math. It's about integrity. It's about
truth. It's about telling the truth about where
all of this money is going. And then it became
a thing that I didn't fret about anymore because
it was no longer math. Because integrity is so
important to me. You know, I really just truth.
Amen. Amen. There's a lot thrown around. That's
kind of a buzzword nowadays. But, you know, running
a business for 30 years, that's when people said,
I trust you. I trust you. I mean, that was the
big thing. Trust. Yes. And I, you know, and then
they'd use that word. Then I know, okay, good.
We're doing good. And, you know, that brings
us to our next one, humility. And it's the fact
that, you know, in that truth. we are humble
before the Lord. Like, Ooh, you know, I used
to sister Gwen, you have this too. I would be,
you know, I've been again involved in the ministry
for decades and people would get up and give
these awesome testimonies about what the Lord
did all over the world. And she would just go.
wow, isn't the Lord good? She would never say,
oh, yes, I was there in 19 blah, blah, blah,
blah. She would just like, she's very humble.
It was never taking any glory ever, ever, ever
for herself. You're that way too. It's just like,
you marvel at what the Lord does. And someone
said, You know, the angels up there, every day
they have a reason to say, every minute they
have a reason to say holy and to cry out because
everything is marveling at what God does. And
I feel like in humility, that's what this ministry
has as well. I remember Sister Gwen saying, don't
ever put me on a pedestal because God will knock
me off. Amen, that's true. She said that. So
we always thought of that, you know. Yep. Even
when we go to a church or something. It always
comes to me, it's like you never take the highest
seat in the synagogue or at a feast unless someone
who's more worthy of you, and then you're asked
to be moved. Right. So sit further back and then
let them invite you up front. And even if they
don't invite you up front, that you just say,
okay, it's not my time. Yeah. You know, you just
back off and let God do it because pride is our
enemy. Yeah. Pride is what... Pride is the number
one killer of... Of all revivals is pride. Yeah.
Yeah. Revivals and ministries and people that
God wants to use in other ways. But, you know,
if we let pride take over, we're done. Just absolutely
done. Arrogance and pride have to go. And, you
know, it's so clear that God regards the humble.
He pays attention when we're humble. And he doesn't
like us. to be behaving with pride. I want to
interject something. This morning in my devotion
time, I was reading the Gospel of Mark in Hebrew.
You know, it's been out now. The Hebrew Gospels.
Hebrew Gospels have been translated into English.
And in Mark, it's, you know, Jesus called himself
once by the Son of the Virgin, not Son of God.
Really? Yeah, Son of the Virgin. I thought, wow.
But they did not translate that into the Greek,
you know, whatever. Son of the Virgin. That's
interesting. You know, that sounds a lot more
humbling than the Son of God. Of course, that
sounds more supernatural, too. Yeah. The freebie,
I just throw that in there. No, that's good.
That's good. Praise God. I love that humility.
And I love the fact that. You know, God does
the promotion, like when you said that. And he
knows the timing and he knows the place and the
people and how he wants to do that. So if we're
not invited to sit up front, it's not our time,
like you said. So praise God for that. And, you
know, our final core value, compassion. I mean,
what does that mean to you? How do we show that
at Global Outpouring? Well, before I talk about
how we show at Global Outpouring, I'm reminded
of. when Jesus was moved by compassion, that's
when people got healed. And I like to think of
it in that term, that when we're being moved
by compassion, okay, we're going to be moved
by compassion when we see someone in need and
we can do something for them physically. Don't
just say, be warmed and be healed without doing
anything for them. So we want to be moved with
compassion. to pray for people in their need
in particular. I mean, if there's some way that
we can help physically, absolutely also. But
so many of the issues that people have are a
result of some kind of wounding that they had
as a child, and it causes them to behave as a
child when they get under stress. Those things
need to be healed. And I really have a heart
of compassion to see people set free from those
things that have kept them in bondage. They've
been kept in that prison to the experience that
they had. you know, whether it was as a child
or, you know, somewhere along in life, everybody's
been wounded at some point. And I think that's
one of the reasons why God gave me that book,
Rich Wounds. I don't know why I don't promote
it. I just, I wrote it and it's kind of like
I've moved on, but it really reaches into people's
woundings. to help them identify what God wants
to do out of that. There's a purpose in everything
that happens in our lives. And it's not like
he caused it, but he knows how to heal it and
turn it into something that's beautiful. He works
all things together for good to them that love
the Lord, to them that are called according to
his purpose. And we're all called according to
his purpose. Some people just haven't learned
to love him yet. That's true. And I would advise
everyone to get rich wounds. No, I think it really,
it shows each part of the crucifixion of Christ
and what he does and how it touches different
areas of our life. And I think it's really important,
like you said, the wounding. I've been in mental
health for 50 years. You know that. So most of
the people, everybody that I have met, you know,
and me too, had to heal from things that were
said or done. Sure. to me or around me that caused
me to either perceive things in a wrong way or
to perceive things in a right way. And I needed
healing from that. But the rich wounds, I think
it really brings up, I know for me, it brought
a deeper revelation of what Christ did on the
cross and who he is and who we are in him. So
I certainly would advise it. Amen. And it's meant
to be beautified. It's meant to be something
that will be like a jewel. in in your heavenly
presentation you know what what you will look
like in heaven those places that that you let
him heal are going to be like jewels in your
not not just in your crown but in your whole
being you know that's beautiful one of one of
the stories that i put in the book I heard a
YouTube video of Yonggi Cho talking about a pastor
that he was married to, in his words, a very
ugly woman. And she died. And then he died shortly
thereafter, just days later. When he got there,
he said, well, my wife just died recently, too.
whoever was welcoming him to heaven said, well,
she's the one who asked for you to come so that
you can go back and tell the children that mommy's
okay. And as she was showing him around, he was
walking behind her and he saw like a diamond,
I think it was, some kind of a gemstone in the
back of her head. It was a diamond, yeah. It
was a diamond? Like a diamond, yeah. And what
had happened was when they were new believers,
they were working for this man's father and they
went to church and he didn't want them to leave
the fields at all. He expected them to be in
the rice fields that day. And when they got back
from church, he was so angry that he threw a
rock at her and hit her in the back of the head
and she had a scar all her life. But when she
got to heaven, that wound was a jewel. And by
the way, he said that she was the most beautiful
woman he had ever seen when she got to heaven.
So even our natural ugliness ain't there. Yay,
go God. Amen. Amen. That's beautiful. I love,
you know, you and Philip and I, and let's see,
there were nine other people that went to Tibet,
remember? And we could not, this was in 2000,
we could not openly share the gospel. But the
love and the compassion we had for the people,
they felt it wherever we went. Yes. Like that
compassion. I remember the one temple that we
went into. This is just an aside story, really.
Of course, I love stories. It doesn't necessarily
have to do with, well, it does have to do with
God's compassion. And so we were blowing the
trumpet set we had, the shofars, and the monks
were so happy they got their long silver trumpets
out and they started blowing and not one sound
would come out. Only our sound. Only the sound.
And we blew it again. And ours were loud and
clear and worship and just like, ooh, cut through.
And then they'd put their trumpets up to their
mouth and blow and no sound. They kept looking
at it. And I thought, no, Lord. And actually,
that trip, the first time I ever blew the shofar,
I could never blow a shofar before. And we were
up thousands of feet above sea level. And someone
handed me a shofar. I'm like, oh, really? Then
I picked it up and I blew it. And so God, in
his love, and that night, one night I was there,
and I hadn't been on the mission field for a
while at this time, many years actually. And
I got up in the middle of the night and the Lord
showed me someone down. We were pretty high up
in the hotel, someone down on the sidewalk there.
And all of a sudden I got this overwhelming compassion
for him and I wept and I wept and I wept. And
that moment shifted everything for me when I
got up in the morning and we took communion.
I was asked to take the second cup that day and
I didn't particularly like the taste of what
we were drinking. And every other day and I'm
like, oh, the second cup, Lord. But you know
what happened? That second cup was the sweetest.
Most beautiful taste I ever had. And I believe
because at 4 a .m. when I got up and I wept over
the people and their salvation and their healing
and the deliverance, and we had already been
out there several days and just saw the people
and their worship of Buddha, that my heart was
just so broken. And when I took that communion
for the people that day, I said, this is for
the people. fragrance and the taste was the sweetest
honey. It was just such a, I don't know, it was
amazing, just amazing. And that was the Lord's
compassion that even shifted my senses to see
the need of the people. Yes. Yeah. There's things
that are taking place in the spirit realm that
are affecting our physical realm. And like you
said, our senses, because our senses. in heaven
are much more magnified. Once you get outside
of your body, your senses are huge compared to
what they are. It's like our senses are dumbed
down in our flesh. And so because you got in
the spirit, that's what changed your sense of
the taste. Yes, I believe it. And the real compassion
to see the people the way that he saw. That was
the plan. You know, I didn't have expectations.
I didn't know what to expect. But I just to get
the heart of his heart will change our senses.
We'll change what we do. We'll change how we
I mean, compassion is prayer with an act. Right.
It's not just prayer. It's action. And so I really
believe as we in global outpouring the testimonies
that we have over decades of all of us. I mean.
Every convention, we have lots of people stand
up and give testimonies from all over the world.
True. And it just is the testimony of Jesus is
the spirit of prophecy. And it just really builds
faith. It builds encouragement. It's joy. Just
amazing. I do love that. I feel like at our conventions.
I know we are led by the Spirit, and I feel like
it's to charge people up to go out and do the
work of the Lord when they leave. Because sometimes
you come in there, you're not refreshed, or you
just need a big boost, you know, and yeah, and
we can get it there. And how many people get
their traveling orders while they're there, you
know, with all the flags of the nations that
are hanging. hanging everywhere, and then the
prayer time in the morning, and many people,
they get a burden for that nation while they're,
and end up going there too. It's true. We've
seen it happen over and over again. Over and
over again. It's powerful. Wow. Absolutely. Now
there's people that feel a burden for missions,
but they haven't gotten there yet, and they come
to this convention, and God... begins to open
doors. And sometimes you have to get out of your
environment for God to speak to you. True. You
know, when you're just surrounded by so much
stuff and, you know, work or just send anything
else and then, and just getting into an atmosphere
where the presence of God is and it just downloads
into you. Wow. So Valerie, tell us some of your
experiences at convention, because we want to
encourage people to come to convention 2026.
And if they watch this in other years, it could
be the next year. Right, right. I really believe
that it is a place to encounter Jesus because
I've been there and I've done that. Yeah, many,
many, many times. There's some more memorable
times than others. And lots of times I would
pile my kids in the car and come. And there was
great children's ministry. There was great youth
ministry. So everybody got something. It was
really neat. But I think the thing that... that
sticks out the most to me was in the early 2000s
when I was married to a man that we were going
to live forever together. You know, we had visions.
We had so many prophecies over us and we had
already served the Lord in the nations. And then
some things became exposed in our marriage that
were happening. And there were some you know,
infidelity and some drugs and alcohol and all
kinds of stuff. And so we were separated at the
time. And I'm just like, Lord, we had all those
prophetic words. What's happening? I don't understand.
And, you know, with the infidelity and all the
betrayal, I, you know, I just didn't know. But
we were sitting, all of us in a meeting, and
all of a sudden the worship team started playing
a song they never played before. and they were
all unified and it was so glorious and we found
out later they never played it before it was
just they just started flowing and sister gwen
got up at that time and said the lord is here
and he wants to touch you all in an individual
way the way that you need it close your eyes
and just you know bask in the glory so i closed
my eyes And within, I don't know, I can't tell
seconds or minutes, I was in heaven in the presence
of Jesus. Now, I came with a wounded heart. He
welcomed me in, and he put a white bridal dress
on me, but it wasn't fancy. It was literally
a white robe, but it felt so glorious and fancy.
But it really wasn't, and someone saw it in the
natural. And then he put a flower wreath around
my head, like a headdress. And he said to me,
I... I love you. I'm married to you. I will never
divorce you. I will never leave you or forsake
you. And he just danced with me and held me and
just healed my heart at that time because I felt
so rejected and abandoned and not understanding.
And it was so beautiful. And, oh, I can feel
it now. And so as he held me and he said, Valerie,
I want you to meet someone. And he took me over
to the father and he said, He said, Father, this
is Valerie. And she just loves us so much. And
she loves the nations. She loves people. And
he started saying these wonderful things about
me. Because I had heard in the midst of the divorce,
I'm ugly, I'm fat. This is why, you know, there's
been infidelity. I have all these things. I've
heard all these things, lies about me. And I
started to believe them. But when he introduced
me to the father, I went, oh, my Lord, is that
how you see me? You know, I'm just like. an unbelief
in some way, but yet it was so loving and so
kind and so amazing that those things started,
I don't know, they started becoming me, you know
what I mean, or I becoming them. And then I was
standing there with the Father and Jesus and
I'm like, Jesus, this is so wonderful and it's
so glorious. I want to know Holy Spirit more.
Where's Holy Spirit? And I'm looking around heaven
and Jesus says, Valerie, Holy Spirit's not in
heaven. He's in you. He's in you. He's in my
people. He's on the earth in you. He's not sitting
here. And the Lord impressed on me that if I
allow Holy Spirit to be a peanut in my life,
then I'll have that experience of like a peanut.
You know what I mean? Like a little Holy Spirit.
Yeah. But if I allow Holy Spirit to be and Jesus
to occupy every part of my life, then I would
be transformed. And in that moment when I said,
yes, Lord, it was like, I don't know if you've
seen the Beauty and the Beast movie, where the
beast is thrown up at the end and he transforms
into this beautiful prince. And that's what I
felt like. I saw myself being thrown up into
the air. And my arms were out, my legs were out,
and I was, the Holy Spirit was like electrified
in every area of my being. And it was so almost
shocking and so overwhelming that I felt myself
then come back into the chair. Now, I had never
left the chair, but in the spirit, I had left
the chair. And I was crying and crying and crying
and crying. And I'll tell you what, I walked
out of that convention with a heart that was
healed. And with the deep wounding of betrayal
and of lies that I began to believe, gone. Because
Jesus spoke the truth. And I'll tell you what,
that opened the door for me to believe that,
you know, there's no barrier to go to heaven
and see Jesus. And there's no barrier for him
to come here. And, you know, so several other
times, many other times when he has something
for me, something special, I encounter him there
and not necessarily here. And one time was at
the House of Peace when I said to the Lord. yeah,
your house in Jerusalem. And I said to the Lord,
Lord, I just felt again, the present, we were
worshiping again, felt the presence of God. And
I said, Lord, I've seen you as friend. I've seen
you as lover. I've seen you as savior. I've seen
you as husband. I want to see you as the king
of kings. And all of a sudden I saw him in this
beautiful purple robe. I mean, just majesty.
I can't even explain the colors and all. But
within a matter of seconds, I saw a lamb that
was slain. And he said, now read Revelation.
And I read Revelation and I wept and I wept and
I wept. And I saw that he's king of kings because
he was a lamb that was slain. because he laid
his life down for us. But it was that convention,
and I'm going to say 2001, 2002, that opened
the door for me to encounter Jesus at a different
level, at a different place, and to believe that
he is ever -present here and I can be ever -present
there. Amen. Amen. So your encounter was a healing
encounter, but it was also a door -opening encounter
that from that time on, it wasn't unusual for
you to make these trips to heaven. No, it wasn't
unusual at all. No. Wow. And it's not like you
go there at your own will, but God catches you
away, right? Yes. Yes. He catches me away and
share something or it's always biblical, of course,
but he'll share something or, I mean, I could
share a lot of them, but back to the convention,
what's really good about that then is that I
could go into the prayer room and pray with someone
about it. Or I could talk to someone and share
with it. And they're not looking at me like,
what? You know, you have mental illness or you
have, you know, you have whatever. Because, you
know, I look. That's why this is an aside to
people that share with me that have been diagnosed.
And they share visions with me. I believe it.
You know, other people might call them hallucinations
and delusions. And that does happen some. But
I do. Of course, that happens some. But I'm talking
about visions that the Lord really wants to be
with us and wants us to encounter him. And at
that convention, I could talk to people of what
I experienced. I didn't run around and tell everybody.
Don't get me wrong. I think I shared one or two.
But people that I trust. That I know that would
just hug me and enjoy and celebrate with me,
not be jealous or whatever, but just have my
back on that, you know? But that was the first
time it ever happened to me. So I'm like, whoa,
whoa. But convention's a place where you meet
people, where you get the love for the nations,
where you share, where you pray together, where,
you know, you hear the testimonies, where you
believe, where you encounter Jesus at a deeper
level, at a level that. You know, I don't go
to a lot of conferences, not so much anymore,
but I used to. And the one that I love about
global praying is the worship, because it is
just a place where it's such corporate worship,
where we all enter, encounter Jesus together.
You don't find that many places. Yeah, when you
have an element of people that pray and fast,
I mean, the glory is just all the greater. It's
true. Yeah. I remember hearing someone's comment
once that I finally found my tribe. I found people
that understand me. Yeah. Every place else you
feel rejected. But, you know, when you have that
hunger for God and especially the kind of hunger
that will make you fast because you want to know
him, you're hungry for him more than hungry for
food. And you know that when people get together,
when believers get together, there's a kind of
a synergy. happens. There's a, you know, here's
my anointing, and here's your anointing, and
we come together, and it's bigger than the anointing
of the two of us. But when you fast, and particularly,
you know, the members of this ministry have fasted
at least 21 days, sometimes they've fasted longer,
and that fast takes you into a greater anointing.
There's something that happens in your life where,
because you have denied yourself, and you've
taken up your cross to follow him. And remember
that the cross is a thing that is meant to kill
you. Siggy says that, Siggy Oblander. And she
says, you're carrying the thing that's going
to kill you. Learning to die to things, letting
things go so that we have more capacity for the
things of God. And so when you get people that
have a greater anointing, to get together with
people with a greater anointing. And you fill
the room with these people that have denied themselves
and they've come in with a greater anointing.
The corporate anointing is just bigger. It's
just more massive. And I don't say that in a
proud way. It's not about, oh, we're better than
anybody else. No, that's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is if you're hungry for God,
if you've been hungry enough, to have an encounter
with him in fasting. Come and bring your anointing.
Bring your anointing into that corporate place
so that your anointing will add and make it that
much greater. And it becomes a place where God
can inhabit in a greater way. Yeah. It's kind
of like a choir. You can have a choir of 10 people.
But when you have a choir of 20 people, you'll
hear the difference. Yeah. And if you get a choir
of 200 people, oh, wow. There's something that
happens. Yeah. It's true. And it's authentic
worship. Authentic, yeah. Really taking the time
and really knowing that we're the bride and that
we are worshiping our betrothed, our friend.
I call him my lover. And just because he's so...
He's so full of love and, you know, and he's
so intimate and it's scary sometimes. And sometimes
I don't feel worthy. And I guess I'm never worthy
except through his blood. But I'm just saying,
you know what I mean? It's just so beautiful
to know that he's so loving and so kind. And
yeah, we spur one another. onto love and good
deeds at the convention. You know, we can share
about our mission trips and people get the hunger
to go and people that were afraid, oh, I don't
think I could ever go there. And then you share
testimonies and all at lunch or, you know, while
you're standing in the elevator and they're like,
oh, I can do it. It's not about money. God always
provides your way. God's will is God's bill.
And, you know, we just, I've learned a lot of
little keys at convention that has unlocked huge
doors just from a small key. a sharing of a faith
statement or testimony or the message for sure.
Yeah. Yeah. It lights up something inside of
you like, oh yeah, that'll work for me. I can
use that. Amen. That's wonderful. Wow. It's like
when you, you know, you sing a love song and
I don't know, and every, and the angels are singing
with you, you know, you just feel like there's
more than. Even the people sitting next to you,
it's like all heaven has joined in. And we've
heard it sometimes. Actually, at some of the
conventions, we've heard the angels come and
sing along. And so it's amazing. It's making
the fragrance of the Lord is there sometimes,
the fragrance that you smell. And yeah, it's
just amazing. You know, one of the things that
Dean says is that in heaven, the main thought
is serving. And so when you encounter someone,
you send a thought to them, how can I serve you?
And they send the same thing to you. How can
I serve you? And what he says is that when he
was worshiping at the throne, that as a sound
would leave his mouth, that colors would come
and atmospheres would come and things would come
to help his praise get to the Father. We're helping,
we're serving really, we're helping the atmospheres
to worship. So that, you know, the physical air
that's around us, we're helping the air to worship
when we wave those flags. So, you know, you see
in some conferences, you see the, you know, there'll
be maybe a couple of people on stage with their
flags and they're flagging with all their hearts.
You come to this convention and, you know, there's
30 or 40 people with their flags. Or more. And
they're everywhere. And they're flagging and
they're, you know, they're waving banners and
dancing. And, you know, there's a freedom to
worship. It's a freedom to worship. Yeah. Like
you won't find. Hard to find anywhere else. And
there are some great places to worship. I'm not
saying they're not. I'm not saying they're not.
You know, we watch some things on YouTube of
people worshiping, and we just get along and
worship with them, you know, all different places
around the country. But being there present in
the place, there's just something about being
present and coming with your anointing, bringing
your anointing to the place. I don't know that
when you're watching it online, I don't know
that you're able to add your anointing to it.
You're grabbing from what's coming through the
camera or through your device, you know. But
I don't know if your worship, you know, there's
no distance in the spirit, I guess. Maybe it
does. But I just feel like there's something
about being in the room. And it's awfully hard
to lay hands on you if you're not there. You
know, it's awful hard to get personal ministry
if you're not there. So I really encourage people
to come and bring your children. As Valerie said,
we have things for the children. We have a nursery.
We have something for the younger set and something
for the teenagers. And it's all designed to help
children learn. Tell a little bit more about
what the kids were doing. You mentioned that
before we started recording. Yes. So I was. I
had a, Hannah was eight or probably nine or 10
at that time. And we would go into the person
leading the children. It was very Holy Spirit
focused and amazing actually, and really respect
of Holy Spirit. So when the kids came in and
they wanted to, you know, talk and they were
allowed to fellowship, that wasn't the point.
But when you got down to business, you respected
Holy Spirit. So I signed up to help. every so
often you know and so i went in to help them
one day and she started playing the music and
the kids just started speaking and she's like
now walk around and they were walking around
and all of a sudden the kids just started falling
out nobody was touching them falling them out
falling out on the floor holy spirit and they
were laying there and holy spirit was working
in them. Nobody touched them. Nobody pushed them.
Nobody said lay down and nothing. And adults
would come in after the meeting and the kids
would lay hands on them and they would get healed.
Some of the kids would prophesy. It was just
amazing. So I started to sign up to help a lot
more in there. I was so blessed by seeing children
and I did sign up once to help with the youth,
but, and it's amazing in the youth too. To see
the little kids who, you know, kids can believe
really quickly. I did children at my church for
about a year. And I said to the pastor, can we
do the whole service one Sunday? And he said,
sure. And so we had the kids preaching. These
were like 8 to 12 -year -olds or whatever. We
had them preaching and all. And so I took them
out a couple times to. get them ready, you know,
go over the things. And we were in a restaurant
and the woman that owned it, it was a pizza shop.
She wasn't, you could tell she was sick. And
I went over and I said, are you okay? She said,
I'm not feeling well. I said, hey kids, let's
come and pray for the, because I had seen this
at the convention really. Although I believe
Holy Spirit is the same size in everybody, but
I'd really seen the fruit of it at the convention.
These kids came over, laid hands on this woman,
just Lord heal her. We need to see her healed.
She doesn't feel well. You can do it. Boom, it
was done. And then the one kid said, can we have
a gumball now? And it was that simple. And, you
know, the next week we got back, she was well.
And because we went back the following week.
And so that's what I saw at convention. I saw
kids that just because at that time it was Carol
would say, this is who the Lord is. This is what
he does. And there's no boundary to that. And
there's no boundary in you to that. And boom,
they just believed. And then it's like, can I
have a gumball? And so, you know, they were naturally
supernatural in those meetings. And because again,
okay, I believe you. I trusted you. You know,
that trust that we have, we set up an atmosphere
of trust and of safety. It's really safe and
important for kids to feel safe and adults too,
absolutely. And to be safe. And to be safe, absolutely.
So everybody's vetted, you know, people aren't
there that we don't trust. And the Lord really
moves and the kids believe it. That's been a
lot of fun, too. Absolutely. Wow. Absolutely.
Wow. Well, Valerie, would you pray for the people
that are watching and listening? Sure. I'd be
happy to. Oh, Father. Father, we just thank you.
We just thank you that you're so good, Lord.
Yes, Father. Lord, your loving kindness is better
than life, Lord God. We just declare. your loving
kindness over everyone listening, Lord God. Father,
I pray that that encounter that I had in heaven
with your loving kindness, with your total, complete
acceptance, with your healing, with your glory
and your brilliance, Lord God, with the way that
you look at us, Lord, and see us in the fullness
of your glory, Lord, because of Christ. Because
of what you did, Jesus. We just pray right now,
Lord, that you would permeate through the body,
soul, spirit, mind, heart, the senses of everyone
listening, Lord Jesus. Lord, you know what they
need. Holy Spirit, we just ask you right now,
Lord, because you know what every single person
needs, Lord. We just thank you, Lord. We thank
you, Lord. As we declare, you said you will pour
out your spirit on all flesh. And we're saying
right now, Lord, those that are listening, pour
out your spirit, Lord. Yes. Pour it out right
now, Lord Jesus. That would overflow, Lord God.
Anyone who feels like a victim, Lord. Lord Jesus,
when you rose from the dead, your scars were
still there, but they weren't scars of victimization,
Lord. They were victory. They were scars of victory.
They were, they showed those wounds in your hands,
Lord God, and feet when Thomas saw you. They
were now victorious. They were not a victim scar,
Lord Jesus. For anyone that's listening, Lord,
that's had trauma. That's felt like a victim,
felt like they're not good enough. Oh, I don't
know if I, we know the devil lies and says, well,
you don't have anything to offer or, you know,
what do you think? Who do you think you are?
We just dispel those lies in the name of Jesus.
We pray that you would uproot them right now
in Jesus' name. And again, Lord, draw them and
call them into your bosom. And we'd love to see
them at the convention and hear their stories
of what you've done and who you are. And the
expression of what you have been for them in
every tribe, in every tongue, Lord Jesus. We
thank you for the nations that come, Lord. We
thank you, Lord God, that those that think, oh,
I can't make it, I don't have the finances, that
you will make a way, Lord, because you always
do. And we thank you, Lord, that you are generous
and kind. Jesus, we just thank you, Lord, that
Father, I know, like we said about the cross
being the place where we die. And Lord, the cross
was Jesus' destiny and he got to fulfill it.
And so, Lord, when we pick up our cross, Lord,
it's our destiny. And so, Lord, we just thank
you, Father, that many times at the convention,
Lord, you strengthened my purpose, my destiny.
You confirmed it. You drew me in to let me know
we could do it together, Lord. I love that scripture
about where you were going to go to heaven, but
you were going to work with the disciples. And
you do that, Lord. So, Father, again, we invite
you into every nook and cranny, Lord. I invite
you again into me, Holy Spirit. I mean, you're
here. And I mean into every area again, Lord,
that day that I felt that. I just pray, Father,
that, Lord, as you outpour right now in whatever
someone needs, Lord. You're there for them, Father.
Nothing's too small and nothing's too big. We
speak healing. We speak deliverance. We speak
salvation. We speak love. You promised you would
never leave them or forsake them. And if someone
found us, Lord, that doesn't know you, then,
Lord, we ask right now that you show them your
loving kindness and your goodness. Yes, Father.
that you would reach into the very innermost
parts of their being, Lord, those places that
are too painful and are closed off, Lord, that
you would open them up and pour in your loving
kindness, Lord. We just thank you for that, Lord.
You're so good. We bless you, Lord. We love you,
Lord. Yes. We pray for all the speakers, Lord.
Yes. Lord, those that are going to come, we just
bless them, Lord. We know they're preparing something
that you have a word for this season right now,
Lord. Right now. Yes. And we thank you, Lord.
And that each person that's coming, Lord, they
are coming to receive, but they're also coming
to give. So we thank you, Lord, that there's
a reason for them to be there because they're
going to bless someone else. And most of all,
Lord, we thank you that we're coming to bless
you, to glorify you. to lift your name up corporately,
Lord God, to hear the word of the hour for your
bride, Lord, for your kids, your sons and daughters,
Lord. We're here and we say, yes, Lord. I remember
the time Lord Sister Gwen said in a private conversation,
just surrender, surrender. And Lord, it was so
good. It was the word I needed to hear at that
moment. And Lord, I just say, I surrender now.
I surrender all that song. Yes, Lord. and that
lord when we come we come with the heart surrender
to you yes in your goodness in your glory in
humility to receive and in humility to give And
we thank you in Jesus' name. And bless Sharon
and Philip, Lord. We need help. We need people
that will help us there. We need people that
will help us before we get there. So I pray that
as some folks are listening, Lord, that you would
put it on their hearts to go and help early or
to help while they're there. And we thank you,
Lord, because it is body ministry. And we all
have a part. And so we bless you in that, Lord
Jesus. In your name we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank
you, Valerie. It's been a pleasure to have you
on today. And we just bless you and look forward
to being with you at convention. And I think
you're coming early to help us, right? I am coming
early. That's why I can pray that prayer. You're
part of the answer to the prayer. Yes, how about
that? Yeah. And we're grateful for your help
and grateful for your praying for others to come
and help us. So if anybody's interested in coming
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