God's heart is for that promise that he made
to Abraham because he knows the rest is the promise
is and through you all the nations will be blessed.
So he's being faithful to all of us. He's just
using the people of Israel, the children of Abraham
to do that. God promises in Joel 2 .28 to pour
out His Spirit on all humanity. Welcome to global
outpouring, where we contend for that promised
outpouring, we equip for that outpouring, so
that we may engage in that very outpouring. I'm
Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome to
the podcast today. We have with us a dear, dear
friend of many years, Claren McQueen. He's a
worship leader for conventions and other events.
And he has a heart for Israel that he's going
to impart to you. Thanks for joining us today.
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there and you can make reservations at the Hilton
Hotel. It's the Hilton St. Louis Airport Hotel
where we're holding this event May 21st through
24th in 2026. This is going to be an amazing
time and Claren McQueen is one of our speakers.
He is so passionate for the Lord. He's a passionate
worshiper and he's a passionate preacher too.
often get to hear him preach, you know, but he
is amazing, and he spent 12 years living in Israel,
so he has a heart for Israel that is contagious.
You're going to love this interview. Well, Claren,
it is such a delight to have you with us again.
We've had you with us on the podcast at least
a couple of other times, and we have you at every
convention. for many years, and you lead us into
the presence of the Lord. We just love worshiping
with you. So we welcome you to the Global Outpouring
Podcast once again. Well, it is wonderful to
be back with you. I feel like I'm kind of a part
of me and Angletall just talking to you, looking
at the room you're sitting in. Absolutely, absolutely.
And we've been in your home, so I know exactly
where you are in your study. And we feel at home
with you. We've been good friends for a long,
long time. And the best part, the best part of
our relationship is worshiping together. You're
our favorite worship leader. We just love to
worship together with you. So speaking of worshiping
together. Let's talk about convention 2026. Do
you have any expectations or do you want to just
mention what convention is to you? Well, I do
have expectation, especially for this year. There's
a new hotel that I haven't seen that you have
talked wonderfully about. But the big thing is
that it is going to be on Chevrolet. Oh, really?
I didn't realize. Oh, yeah. I've forgotten exactly
which day it falls, but Shavuot is right smack
in the middle. And, you know, I believe biblically
speaking, if we look at the fulfillment of Pentecost
and the feast of firstfruits and unleavened bread,
we all know that that was fulfilled as Jesus
was crucified as the sacrifice lamb and then
was resurrected as the firstfruits. And Shavuot,
we know, began at Pentecost, now 2 ,000 years
ago. But the picture of Shavuot, we think of
it as a feast of first fruits. But it's really
the feast of the first fruits that begins the
harvest. That's the picture of Shavuot, which
is what global outpouring is all about, the harvest.
So I, because of the times that we live in, I
think all of us, our friends in Israel, our friends,
Christine and Peter Darg, various people all
over the earth, Dave Dolan, we're all, as we're
praying, you have to sense we're in a Kairos
moment. And none of us knows what's going to
happen, but we know it's a Kairos time. Explain
what that means. There is the minute by minute
time, but in Greek, kairos is a moment that brings
eternity into time. And God acts in that eternal
moment. 1967 was a kairos moment. 1948 was a
kairos. moment. 1776 was a kairos moment in which
he took those covenants from 1620 and he put
them into action despite what was going on on
the earth. You know we think what a terrible
thing that there had to be insurrection, there
had to be rebellion, there had to be so many
people die. And yes, that was terrible, but God
takes that terrible time and works it into his
eternal time and brings forth a greater fruit
out of that suffering. And we've watched that
all through the years of history. So we're sitting
in one of those moments. We watched it in Iran
just a few weeks ago. We've been watching it
in Israel for the last two years. We've watched
it in our own country being upheaval of all kinds,
riots in the streets and things that we never
would have thought to see in the United States
of America. We watched the same kind of thing
in China, in Nigeria, things where you can see
the forces of evil are working against the eternal
forces of the living God. But we know that there's
not really a contest. But it's up to us to pray
that victory into being. So I'm looking in this
Kairos moment, I think that this time of global
outpouring at Shavuot, hallelujah, is going to
be an awesome time. Wow, absolutely. It may have
gotten onto my radar, but I think I forgot. But
I just, I'm overwhelmed that God would give us
that gift of having Shavuot, having Pentecost
during the convention. Like, wow, that is overwhelming.
What a privilege. What a privilege to gather
together because that's the time you're supposed
to gather together and biblically. Yes. In Old
Testament times, and even New Testament times,
the men were required to come. And of course,
they brought their families when it worked, because,
you know, Jesus came up at the age of 12 and
his mother was there. So they would come up for
Passover, they would come up for Shavuot or Pentecost,
and they would come up for Feast of Tabernacles.
So it's a time for gathering. It's a time when
we're supposed to gather together. And, you know,
that's just... That's just an amen to me about
we're on time. We're doing what we're supposed
to be doing when we're supposed to be doing it.
And I love that. Wow. And it's a time where we're
offering God the fruits that we have already,
but then we're rejoicing over the harvest that
we haven't seen yet. Yes. That's good. I just
think that with the whole purpose of global outpouring,
that is the perfect. And you know, with these
new dates that we're observing where we're floating
around that particular holiday, we're going to
find this over and over because Shavuot always
floats. It's very close to that time of the end
of May. Yeah. Wow. That is exciting. That is
exciting. Wow. Glory to God. Yeah. So what do
you expect to happen in worship this time? What
always happens in the end and worship is that
God inhabits the praises of his people. Which
is, we've talked about this many times before.
That is the thing that I have always loved about
the handmaidens as servants is that they come
together. You know, we've played at different
venues all over the world. And in many places,
especially in the West, you encounter people,
they're not exactly doing this, but they're sort
of folding their arms and waiting for the Holy
Spirit to zap them. And he does, you know, he
always manifests his presence and we almost always
find that at the end, Most people have come into
that habitation of the Holy Spirit that the Lord
loves when we worship, and He does inhabit that.
But the handmaidens and servants, being who they
are, never ever start a worship service like
that. They start down on their faces, hands in
the air, they start ready to roll. And back when
they had phone books, I used to say, you could
sing the phone book to these people and they
would get blessed. And I know that they would
have. That's a joke, but they would have. Because
they came to get something from God. So then
a different thing happens in that worship service,
because you've got however many hundred people
come together. And then something unique happens
in corporate worship. I love worshiping at home.
Nancy and I are blessed that she's a harpist
and I'm a pianist. We can make our own music
and that's wonderful, but there's a whole other
thing that happens in corporate worship. That
can only happen as you get all of those vessels
filled with the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit
begins to move. It is greater than the sum of
its parts always. Yeah, it's synergy. Yes. Yeah,
it's beautiful. It's beautiful. Well, we're excited
and we're inviting everyone that's listening
and watching to join us May 21st through 24th
in St. Louis at the Hilton that's right at the
airport, the Hilton St. Louis Airport Hotel.
It's right by the interstate. It's easy to get
to and It's going to be life -changing. So we
really encourage you to come. Hallelujah. So
Clarence, you've been loving the Lord all your
life, right? As a little boy, you were raised
in a Pentecostal church. Your mother was the
organist or pianist or something, right? Yes.
One or the other, always. Yeah. So you grew up
wanting... Tell the story about maybe maybe I
can tell the story that your mother told me About
how how when you were little you wanted her to
teach you how to play the piano and she said
They're there when you start school will do that
and you came home from school in your first day
of school and said, okay I'm ready to start learning
piano Yes, and it was only kindergarten She was
thinking in the first grade after I'd learned
to read and, you know, had some, I could read
the instructions in the books, but kindergarten
was school. I had just spent all those hours
that first day in kindergarten. I was excited
about being in kindergarten, but I was really
excited about getting to learn to play the piano.
And our front door, stood about five feet from
the piano. So I remember I ran through the front
door. I slid onto the piano bench and said, okay,
let's start. Really? Wow. And she started saying,
she was afraid my hands were too small and my
feet, of course, didn't have a prayer reaching
the pedals. So she thought I would start and
then I would be unhappy with it. You know, they
tell you when a woman is pregnant, if you want
your child interested in any sort of auditory
anything, or even just to read to them while
they're in the womb. I know many parents do that
now. Well, my mom was teaching piano lessons
until she was eight months pregnant. So I was
right there at the keyboard as my ears were being
formed. And I cannot remember a time when I didn't
think that I was a pianist. I'm sure I drove
my parents crazy because at three years old,
I would go practice the piano. And you know,
what was I, I have no idea what that sounded
like, but I'm sure it was awful. My folks allowed
me to do that. And then by the time I got to
five, then I could really start. So I learned
to read music before I ever learned to read.
Wow. I remember your mom saying one of the hardest
things was to get you to go to bed at night.
It was pulling you off the piano. Because you
couldn't get you off the piano. When I was in
grade school, sometime around the fifth grade,
they came to me and said, honey, would you like
to have the piano in your bedroom? Oh, what a
gift. My parents are letting me out. I didn't
realize they were getting the piano out of the
living room so they could sing. Wow. Wow, wow,
wow. Glory to God. Well, that sure paid off for
you. Absolutely. Absolutely. Amen. So when you
went to college, you went to ORU and you were
studying music with one of these great pianists
and then you wound up being a part of a musical
group that came from ORU. Can you give us a little
taste of what that was and where it took you?
Well, actually, before I formed that group in
High school, I floated away a little bit. I was
still playing for the choir at church. I was
doing, I think what a lot of kids can do in church,
that you think you're saved because you're going
through the motions. But I really was not at
the point that God was in charge. And I... Heard
one sermon that my precious minister, Brother
Millard, at Sheridan Assembly in Tulsa, Oklahoma,
he preached a sermon that said, it doesn't matter
that you believe. He said the demons believe.
In fact, they do more than believe. They know.
They don't obey. What matters is that you are
willing to obey. Anything God tells you, everything
God tells you. And he said, if you're not doing
that, you're going to hell. It scared me to death.
I went home. Now, I was busy being cool. This
was the 70s. I was trying to grow my hair a little
longer. I was trying to, you know, not really
into anything yet, but I was contemplating all
of it. And I went home scared to death. I was
ready to break all my records. And I told the
Lord, I'll do anything you tell me, anything
at all. And the very next day, a Christian group
who all had perfectly cut hair and wore matching
outfits, the group that I would never ever have
joined, they called me up and they needed a piano
player. But I had just told God I'll do anything.
And that's really what turned my life completely.
I had grown up in church. I knew the gospel.
I knew biblical verses. And if you're watching
this or listening to it and this is you, it doesn't
matter that you believe. If you're believing
but you're having problems in your life, The
reason you're having problems is because God's
not in charge. If all you do is believe, you
just know there is a Jesus. He did save people
from their sins, but he's not telling you what
the next step is in your life and the next step
after that and the next step after that. That's
what being a Christian is. If you're not doing
that, you're not there yet. And if you go there,
it will totally change. who you are, and it will
change how your life runs for the rest of your
life. And it doesn't matter if you're 50, 60,
13, 18, whatever age you are, God cannot take
you where he wants to take you if you're still
in charge. It won't ever work. So once I did
that, I was actually very unhappy. before I joined
that group, even though I was at a wonderful
church, had a great youth group in their youth
program, music program. And the whole reason
that I wound up at ORU is because of this group
that I joined that were so sold out and they
were happy. And I believed everything that they
believed, but I was not happy. And I realized
the reason they were happy is because they'd
given up. You know, the James in the fourth chapter
says, God, you give a greater grace to the humble.
You're opposed to the proud, but you give a greater
grace to the humble. And then the next verse
says, so I submit therefore to you, Lord. And
that's really what humility is. Humility is recognizing
I am a little kid. You are a great big God. I
love the song that you sing for children, Sharon,
that says we've got a God that's so big, so strong
and so mighty, there's nothing he can't do. Once
you realize that, like a little kid, then it's
not a, you know, I always choose to read that
verse and say, ooh, submit. That's such a...
scary word, submit. What's God going to tell
me to do? But it's not a scary word. It's a wonderful
word. You can submit into those wonderful, strong,
mighty, wise arms and say whatever you say. Anything
you say, I'll do it. You know, when I moved to
Jerusalem, I did not want to move to Jerusalem.
God just was very obviously opening the doors
and pointing his finger and say, you. over here.
So I kind of went kicking and screaming, but
I had learned if God says it, that's what you
need to do. And that has totally changed my life.
And I learned to do that in that very first music
group that I joined. So then the music group
at ORU was really an outworking of that first
music group. that I was in in high school I used
a lot of the things that I used in that first
group and the next groups that I put together
and then eventually when I left college just
kept on putting groups together, and I've done
that in one way or another for the rest of my
life. Well, we're glad you put us together with
you too. Yeah, that was totally a surprise. We
came to Florida for an event down there in Lakeland,
I think it was, and we came to run the book table
and lead worship for a set, and we ended up being
in the choir. Yeah. That was great. We loved
getting connected with you and then going from
there to the Feast of Tabernacles to sing in
that group. That was tremendous. So you mentioned
going to Jerusalem and you mentioned kicking
and screaming to go there. Tell us what you didn't
understand about Israel and what you came to
understand and how you came to love the nation
of Israel. I did not have, and I'm going to be
speaking about this, I believe the Lord will
have me do this at the convention. I think there
are a number of Christians in our day who think
that I can believe in Jesus and then I can choose
whether I believe in God's plan for Israel or
not. that that plan for Israel is not necessarily
a part of his plan for salvation. And that is
really where I lived. My whole life was dedicated
to missions. And when I first went to Israel,
the Lord opened amazing doors in Israel and in
Egypt. My group that I had put together, Epiphany,
were in Israel for six weeks and Egypt for two
weeks. We sang. for the Israeli army. Three times
we sang on an atheist kibbutz. That was an experience
for sure. And all the songs that we knew in Hebrew
were Bible verses. But the Lord worked it out
to be a wonderful time. So I went on that trip,
but Israel itself to me, I was there the first
time in 1982. So it's much more westernized has
a lot more of the amenities now that it had back
in 1982. And it, you know, I saw it as a beautiful
country filled with wonderful people, but in
Israel and in Egypt, it is not at all, you know,
having been there, it is not quite the cushy
life that we live in North America. And I had
been working in Europe. So for five years, I'd
been in all over Scandinavia and Germany, France,
beautiful countries with every amenity you could
wish for and very needy. At the time, the percentage
of people going to church in Denmark was less
than 7%. In Sweden, it was even less than that.
So I felt like I was really doing a work that
was needed. In Israel, of course, I didn't realize
it, but the Lord took us there in 1982 when a
tremendous revival was beginning. But it didn't
look to us like a tremendous revival because
we were used to what we'd been seeing in the
West with huge conventions with hundreds of kids
that came and people that really loved the music
that we were making and the message that we had.
And of course, Israel was just to us, you know,
a big meeting in Israel was 150 people. It was
a great big meeting. So when the Lord opened
the door to go, I really thought, what am I going
to do here? You know, I knew I was to go and
He gave me the tremendous opportunity. I studied
at the Institute of Holy Land Studies and then
Hebrew University as well. learning biblical
background. What was the world like in Elijah's
time? What was it like in Moses' time? What did
those words that Isaiah spoke, how did those
people hear them? Because of the life that they
were living at that time, which was absolutely
fascinating. And I loved that part. But the Israelis
themselves have a description of a sabra, one
who is a native -born Israeli, that they're like
the sabra cactus, which the sabra cactus, if
you've ever seen it, has really huge spikes.
And you don't want to fiddle with a sabra cactus
unless you have to. But if you put on thick gloves
and you open it up, it's very sweet. It's almost
luscious fruit inside. And so that's their picture
of themselves. We're kind of prickly on the outside.
You want to, you know, be careful with us, but
we're great to know once you get to know us.
And I am not that kind of person, or at least
I don't think I am. No, you're not. My lovely
wife might describe me as prickly sometimes,
but in Scandinavia, everybody's friendly to everybody.
Even if you don't like each other, you're still
nice to each other. And so the society that I
was thrust into in Israel was, it was a new thing
to me. It was like I had moved to the Bronx and
I feel the same way in the Bronx. Why is everybody
yelling at each other? And I didn't understand
the complete faithfulness of God's covenant.
I would have numerous conversations with friends
in Israel that would try to explain to me, you
know, this is the plan of God for the Jewish
people and that's what affects every one of us
in the church. And I would be saying, how can
that be true? How can God who loves everyone
have these special people that he loves better
than everybody else? Because I just did not get
it. And it really wasn't until I began to work
with the Christian embassy, And the second year
I worked with them, they put together, glasnost
had just started in what was still the Soviet
Union. Explain that. Explain what is glasnost,
because some of our listeners might not know.
I think the Russian words means openness. And
so the government of the Soviet Union had said,
we're going to be more open. We're going to allow
people to meet together. and greater freedom,
and it gave us a opportunity to go to Russia.
So we went to Russia, we took ballerinas, wonderful
dancers from all over Europe, we took fantastic
singers and great players, and we took, back
then, a slideshow of what life was like in Israel
because at the same time that the Soviet Union
was allowing things to open up a little bit,
they were also demeaning life in Israel. It was
fake news to the max for life in Israel because
they didn't want the Jewish people to go there.
They had opened it up so that you actually could
get there as a Jewish person, which was not true
before that. But they didn't want to lose them
because the Jewish people were all doctors, lawyers,
teachers, artists, wonderful instrumentalists.
And so we put this concert schedule together.
We didn't go to churches because we were wanting
to speak to the Jews. So we rented halls. We
were in Kyiv. Odessa, Moscow, and St. Petersburg.
And I remember the time that the Lord really
spoke to my heart. We were in a concert in Kyiv,
and every night as part of our concert, we would
just read some prophecy to them. because most
of them had never set foot in a synagogue. Most
of them had never opened a Bible. You know, they
were raised under communism. So most of them
were trained. There's nothing. There's just Lenin
and Stalin and whoever's in office right now.
That's who you look to. You don't look to anyone
else. And I remember one lady after a concert
asked me, So why is it that you people are doing
this? You live in Israel, why did you come all
this way? You're Jews and Gentiles, we're amazed
that you can work together, but what causes you
to want to do this? And I said, well, you know,
Jeremiah said, and I began to quote some verse
in Jeremiah, and she stopped me and she said,
wait a minute, Jeremiah who? She absolutely was
unfamiliar. So this night, We're reading, it
was Isaiah 43, and we're reading just a portion
of Isaiah 43 to this totally secular audience.
And you can watch people, I'm standing backstage,
I'm not the one reading, but I can see the people,
and people begin stroking their chin, and they're
taking off their glasses. I see some tears in
some people's eyes. And if you're familiar with
Isaiah 43, It's in that chapter that God says,
not only will I bring you back to the land, I
will say to the north, give up. I will say to
the south, do not hold back. I will bring you
from the east to the west. But when I do this,
then you yourself will be the witness that I
am God and there is no other. I am God and there
has never been another savior. Yeah. And that
was the first time I realized, you know, I had
read that verse before and I always read it thinking,
you will either get witnessed to by somebody
or you will go out and witness. But that's not
what God said. He said, you yourself, when I
bring you back, now this is, he's saying, I'm
gonna bring you back. And when you get to, Israel,
which people were reading at the time for 2 ,000
years people read that and there was no Israel
to get to. But the prophecy, the word never changed.
So now we're reading it to these people in the
20th century who've never heard the prophets
at all. They know nothing about scripture. And
all of a sudden, one of their own prophets is
saying to them, there will be a time when I will
bring you from the East and the West. I will
bring you from the North. They're living in the
North and they know it. I will say to the North,
do not hold back. What had been happening for
the last 30 years, the North had been holding
back. But God says, I'm gonna speak to your government
and I'm gonna tell your government, No, you cannot
hold back. And I'm going to bring you from the
north. I'm going to put you in Israel. And then
once you're in Israel, you will be a witness
that I am Savior and there is no other. So I
did a bit of what you were doing except for I
had to add repentance to mine because I had been
saying for year after year living in Israel,
How can God have this favorite people? But there
it is in Isaiah. Why am I doing this? It's not,
God says, it's not because you did everything
perfectly, Israel. It's because I am faithful.
I made a promise to Abraham. I'm going to fulfill
my promise. And when I fulfill my promise, Israel,
then you will know that I am who said, I am.
So I'm backstage, I've got rivers coming out
both eyes, and I'm saying, Lord, I am so sorry,
I didn't get this. I don't know how I didn't
get this. You know, so many of the scriptures,
I think when the light comes on for God's purposes
for Israel and these last days, then we, all
of us, to whom that has happened, we start going
through the same scriptures that we've been reading
all of our lives and we say, how did I miss this?
How could I possibly have missed this? It's everywhere.
I think Jerusalem is mentioned 928 times in scripture.
God's heart. is for that promise that he made
to Abraham because he knows the rest is the promise
is and through you, all the nations will be blessed.
So he's being faithful to all of us. He's just
using the people of Israel, the children of Abraham
to do that. And to have faith, if his promise
to Abraham from nearly 4 ,000 years ago now is
fulfilled, then we know he's going to fulfill
every promise that he's given to us. Exactly.
That's why the replacement theology doesn't work.
Because if God doesn't keep his promises to Israel,
what makes us think he's going to keep his promises
to us? Yes. You know, replacement theology actually
came because of those nearly 2000 years when
there was not an Israel. True. So people were
naturally scratching their heads and saying,
well, how do we explain this? There is no Israel.
All of those things that he prophesied aren't
happening. They haven't happened for eons, literally.
So there must be a different explanation. That
makes sense. Part of replacement theology is
there's a part of it that's true because all
those promises are now for us. True. But they're
only for us as we're grafted in. Yes, that's
it. You know, God was the original creator of
the Abraham Accords. That's right. And we get
grafted in because of God's Abraham Accords.
Amen. That's so beautiful. Yeah. Wow. So how
did that change what you did when you went back
to Israel after this experience in Russia? You
know, it's funny because I was doing all the
right things. I was leading worship in a Hebrew
-speaking messianic synagogue as well as an English
-speaking church. I was working with the Christian
embassy. And I was tremendously excited to help
the Jewish people. But once I understood the
covenant and the structure of covenant, that
it's only in that covenant that all the prophecies
that God has given us for the end times can be
fulfilled. It just had a different meaning. So
I kept doing the same things actually, but I
understood what I was doing better. Yeah. Yeah.
The repentance piece changes your heart. Yeah.
And it's what you do with your heart that counts.
You know, all the stuff that we do on the outside
without our heart being engaged is less than
what we're designed for. But when our heart gets
engaged, you know, that's it. It gave me... such
an appreciation of where we're living, the time
that we're living in. And let me realize, my
goodness, I'm doing this. You know, I remember
one of the services at the Hebrew speaking congregation
in Christ Church, which is the oldest Protestant
church in the Middle East, built in 1849, which
was 30 years before the first Aliyah. before
the first big group of Jewish people came from
the pogroms that were happening in Eastern Europe.
So it was built strictly on prophecy. And in
one of these services, the Lord, just before
he goes to his crucifixion, says, you missed
your time, Israel, and you won't see me again
until you pray, Beruch haba b'shem adonai, blessed
is he who comes in the name of the Lord. So it
was at the end of a service, and I don't even
remember what the sermon was about, but one of
our elders, Roim, they're called in Hebrew, which
means shepherds. So one of the elders had preached
and he said, now I just want you as a congregation
to come down and pray unto this. Well, immediately
probably two thirds of the congregation came
down. These great big guys. that are, you know,
in Israel, you're in the army until you're 55,
so everybody's in shape, and half guys, and they're
coming down, and you don't often see Israelis
cry about a lot. When it's time to cry, they
really cry, and they put their all into it, but
usually they've got that, I've got a strong jaw,
I can deal with this, we're gonna make it through.
But these guys started praying. And of course,
the women and the teenagers and everybody, people
are down on their knees. And I'm watching the,
I'm sitting at the piano, I'm playing some music
behind it. And these guys are praying. It's the
time, Lord. Please come. Please come. You said
when we prayed, blessed is the coming time of
the Lord God, that then you would come. And so
they've got tears streaming down their face.
And I'm sitting in the piano and I wanted to
shout because I thought, this is it. I'm in the
time when it's happening and I get to be the
piano player. This is awesome. Glory to God.
Wow. Kind of a silly reaction, but it just was
so exciting to me. Watch it happen. And there
were so many living in Israel. I really never
wanted to come back from Israel. The Lord just
moved me and Nancy. to be part of a revival in
South Florida, and then he's continued. I thought
I'd be here for a few years and go back, but
that's not what happened. God had a better plan.
But so many things, and even as we've returned
many times with the global outpouring and done
ministry tours, it is so obvious that we live
in the best time in history. I mean, we can either
look at the news and end up scratching our heads
and worrying ourselves, or we can look at a little
bit of the news and then look at God's word and
get in his presence. And you realize, yes, there
is tremendous upheaval, but there's tremendous
uphill because God is on the move. Amen. So it's
a wonderful, and it's everything that the Bible
says it was, that there is a great falling away,
but at the same time, there's a tremendous outpouring,
and we get to choose. where do I want to be?
I'm going to be in the tremendous outpouring.
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. So, do you have
any other thoughts that you want to share with
us about what you're going to be ministering
on when you minister for us on Israel night at
our convention? I'm hoping to give people what
they need to answer back. You know, there's an
undercurrent even among conservative Christians
now. Funneled by some people with podcasts that
are extremely anti -Semitic. Many of whom say
they're Christian, but they're espousing views
that are nowhere near Christian. One of them
famously has said that the Christian Zionists
bother him that they're the things that bother
him most in the earth. And I thought, there are
so many things to bother you on the earth, really,
the Christian Zionists? But I'm going to point
out in scripture, and I'm working on this right
now, but there are many instances in scripture
where the two most prophesied things in the Bible
are the coming of the Messiah and the physical
restoration of Zion. Wow. And many times those
prophecies come exactly together. And for instance,
Isaiah 11, Isaiah 11, we're all familiar with,
and it says, there's a shoot that will spring
forth from the stem of Jesse, and a branch from
its roots will bear fruit, and the spirit of
the Lord will rest upon him. Righteousness will
be the belt about his loins, and faithfulness
the belt about his waist. But then just a few
verses down in verse 11 it says, and then when
he comes, it will happen in that day that the
Lord will again recover the second time with
his hand the remnant of his people who will remain.
and from the coastlands of the sea. Sometimes
that's translated islands, but it actually can
mean coastlands or whole nations. So to Isaiah
prophesying in Israel. The coastlands of the
sea were everywhere else because he'd never been
to any of those places. And he will lift up a
standard for the nations and will assemble the
banished ones of Israel and will gather the dispersed
of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
The prophecy comes together and that happens
over and over and over again in scripture. So
I'm hoping to give people some meat. that they
can answer back, not that I think that we need
to be in large confrontations. We don't, because
we know the truth. But I think there are many
people, obviously a lot of the people who are
running the podcasts, who I think most of us
know some of the names, that believe that they're
Christians, but they obviously don't read the
Bible. Right, exactly. Or they read it with a
worldview that is askew. Like, and I understand
them. I grew up in church, I moved to Israel
with a poor understanding of what God had said
about what he was gonna do. I just saw the outpouring
and I didn't see it tied. I fully believe, and
I'm gonna give some evidence of this, I believe
that in 1967, times changed. We moved into a
completely new era. And Derek Prince believed
this, John Hagee believes this. I believe that
in 1967, on June 7th in 1967, when Jerusalem
was returned into the hands of the Jewish people,
we moved from the time of the nations, the time
of the Gentiles, we moved, that time became fulfilled.
and we moved into the next fulfillment of all
things. Which is not to say that God was through
with the nations at that point, it's to say,
no, we moved from just outpouring in the nations
to fulfillment of all things and life from the
dead. I can prove, and the last time I spoke
on Israel, I think I spent a lot of time. proving
about the outpouring that has happened since
1967, so I won't do that again. But I can just
give you high points of there's been tremendous
exponential outpouring among not only Jewish
people, but all over the earth since that time
in history. I'll say it again, we live in the
greatest time in history. Yes, absolutely, and
I will add a link to that message that you preached
What is it about about three years ago? We'll
put that in there so people can can get a sense
of Get a sense of what a great preacher you are
for one thing and and your passion for the Lord
and your passion for the for Israel But to give
people an idea a foundation that you're gonna
build on in this in this convention great I think
it's gonna be Amazing. Absolutely amazing. And
I just want you to know I really appreciate you,
Claren, and appreciate the depth of your relationship
with the Lord that gives you the inspiration,
that gives you the anointing in worship and in
the Word. Some people are all about worship and
they don't have much of the word and some people
are all about the word and they don't have much
in the way of worship. And it's kind of, to me,
it would be kind of like being in a rowboat.
and you only have one oar. You're going to go
in circles. You're not going to get very far.
But when you have both oars, you can pull and
you can go somewhere because you've got anointing
on both your worship and your Bible. And you
can go places because you've got that balance
of the two that is life -giving. And so I appreciate
that about you. And I'm saying that for the sake
of our viewers and our listeners, that, you know,
you need to be at this convention and get a grasp
on some of the things that you need to get a
grasp on. How many of us don't have the fullness
of understanding? And the thing besides that
is, you know, if I can just draw on Dean Braxton,
he's gonna be one of our speakers too. The experience
that he had in heaven, like he would look at
the Lord, And he would just be overwhelmed with
the glory and the love and the joy and the peace
and all of that. And then he'd look again and
it was more so. And then he'd just get overwhelmed
and he'd look again and it was more so. And he
said, you're going from glory to glory. And it's
not like there was anything wrong with the glory
you had before. It's just there's an increase.
And that's what he's doing in these days. He's
trying to increase us. So we're excited about
what God is going to do and how He's going to
do it. There's a story that you tell that you
may have told it on the podcast before, but you've
told it a number of times, and I'd love for you
to tell it again about how you were in Christ's
church when this woman came in, a Jewish woman,
and she said, what's this place? Can you tell
us that story? You're trying to get me to cry.
Oh, not really. Yes, this happened actually after
I'd been on that trip to the Soviet Union. Then
you understood. Yes, I understood. And she, she's
a big, beautiful, she looked very Slavic and
she walked in the front door. And lots of people
come to Christ Church as a tourist spot because
it is the oldest Protestant church in the Middle
East. So she looks around and she says, Mudley,
what is this? And I said, the kinesia. And she's,
it's a church. And she said, no, it can't be.
Look, everything's in Hebrew. And I said, Yes,
but it is a church. And she said, no, it's shut.
And she starts explaining to me why it can't
be a church. I finally said, look, I go here.
It's a church. So she looks surprised and she
looks around because the church was built for
the Jewish people. So it was built by a consortium
of British and German believers. who all believed
prophecy. But because they thought that the Jewish
people were going to come back according to the
word of God, they said, well, let's make this
building, well, they'll be at home. So the Ten
Commandments are all in Hebrew. It's the apostles'
creed, but it's all in Hebrew. Every window,
there aren't many stained glass windows, but
every window that is stained glass has some scripture
in Hebrew. And so she, comes over to my little
guide desk and she pulls up a chair and she says,
well, maybe you can explain to me something that's
happened. And she leaned in and she said, you
know, as I was growing up in the Soviet Union,
I knew I was Jewish, but I was always taught
that there was nothing there. That the only thing
that I had was myself and communism. and trusting
in the community. But she said, I always knew
there was something. And so as a child, I would
always pray to the something when I needed help.
I wouldn't tell my parents, but I just would
pray to the something. And she said, in hard
times, I always felt a force. that was pushing
me forward, that was a strength that I could
lean on. And then she said as I decided to make
aliyah, as I decided to come to Israel, the government
made it very difficult for me to come. And there
were many times there were so many offices I
had to go to and papers I had to fill out and
then they weren't happy with what I did and it
was just difficult and I wanted to quit. but
I felt this same something pushing me forward.
And she said, now that I'm in Israel, it's difficult
for me. I don't speak Hebrew very well. I can't
find a job. And she was another person who was
trained. She had a medical degree, as I remember,
some very... She'd spent a lot of years studying,
but it didn't translate when she got to Israel.
She couldn't get certified. So she wasn't going
to be able to get that as a job. And she was
not a young woman. So it was a huge life change.
She was probably in her fifties, maybe. And she
said, it's again been very difficult. And I've
thought, you know, if I went back to the Soviet
Union, I have my life there. It's not what I
wanted, but it's better than it used to be. And
yet, when I want to decide to go back, this something
continues to push me forward. I can't go back.
It wants me to stay here. And then she leaned
in further and she said, can you tell me what
that something is? And so I said, yes, I can.
And I've forgotten what scripture I read. It
was probably Isaiah 43 again, amongst others,
and Isaiah 11. And then she thanked me, we prayed
together. I prayed for the Lord to bless her
and show her the path that he was opening up
in front of her. I'm sure, I quoted Proverbs
3, that as she acknowledged him in all her ways,
now that she knew what the something was, that
he would make the path straight in front of her.
And in Hebrew, that straight is yesha. And it
means the path for you that's approved, that
is a just path, that is the chosen path of God.
And one of the meanings is the path that is smoothed
out in front of you. Wow. Beautiful. Beautiful,
yeah. So we prayed and she thanked me and then
I never saw her again. But I know that the Holy
Spirit continued to speak to her. Amen. And I
am sure once she heard, I mean, how can you hear
those verses and not say, you know, I need to
go back and reread that book. There's something
there that I need. That's it. That's it. And
most people, actually, it was wonderful when
people began to come from the Soviet Union, from
all those various countries. They were trained
in nothing. So they didn't have barriers put
up. You know, many people have been taught, you
have to either be really orthodox, you have to
follow all 613 commandments, and if you don't,
then forget it. You need to wear a certain scarf
on your head, or some people you need to wear
a wig on your head, you need to dress in certain
clothes on certain days, and pray certain prayers
when you get up, and certain prayers when you
go to, you know, it goes on and on and on. And
a lot of people, Say, well, I can't do that.
That's not who I am. But a lot of people who
will tell you and Israel that they're not religious,
when you really start talking to them, they pray.
They fast on Yom Kippur. They love the Lord.
They've just been trained. It's what Jesus said
to the Pharisees in Matthew 23. You put such
a heavy load on these people, they can't carry
it. So then they will say, okay, I can't carry
what you're giving me. I can't be religious,
but they still love the Lord. So when they find
out about the truth of God sent himself to be
that savior from Isaiah 43, for whom there's
never been another savior, it's just me. And
they've already lived it. So many of them, whether
they came in 48 or they came in 73 or 67 or before
48, they came from somewhere else, most of them.
Even if they came in 1600, they came from somewhere.
So they know, I have been brought back from the
east and the west and the north and the south,
and here I am in God's land and look at this,
it shouldn't even exist. how can people be speaking
this language that was only used for reading
the Bible and most people didn't understand it,
themselves included. You know, all of them went
through a bat mitzvah or a bar mitzvah and they
read their little passage, but most of them didn't
know what they were reading. They just had a
translation in their language, but they couldn't
begin. If you went beyond that verse that they
memorized for their bar mitzvah, they can't read.
Right. So, but now they're going to come and
there's government language schools teaching
you so you can learn the quick and easy version
of Hebrew. You know, if you put in a window in
your house or you buy a new mixer and you read
the instructions, you will be reading Hebrew.
Right. Yeah. It's a miracle and they know they're
living in a miracle. So how did this miracle
happen? Yes. Yes. I've probably told you the
story, but in one of the attacks from Hamas.
There was a guy in the army who was situated
in the defense center in Tel Aviv. And as usual,
most of the rockets were aimed at Tel Aviv. So
he's watching this rocket being shot. It's a
huge rocket. It's gonna do tremendous destruction.
He's watching it come directly for a center in
Tel Aviv. And he, as his watching says, now he's
secular, but he says, God, no. And he watches
the rocket take a left turn and go out into the
Mediterranean. And he made the news because when
they asked him about the attack, he said, I saw
a miracle. I can tell you a miracle happened.
But it was the God that he said he wasn't religious
for. The answer was still, God, no. I don't know
if you've read the stories that the people who
were incarcerated in the tunnels, and there have
been many stories that I've read shared that
people who did not believe in God, many of them
even beyond, they were really secular. Think
about fasting on Yom Kippur. They didn't think
about anything. They were just a secular Israeli.
But in that tunnel, in the dark with no food,
they began to feel the presence of God. Wow.
It's true. Because he's faithful. At first they
didn't even know what they were feeling. That's
right. And then gradually, you know, he would
give them, most of them, he gave them a knowing,
it's okay, I'm here with you. Everything is going
to be okay. Wow. Glory to God. And then they
lived that. They walked out of the tunnel and
they knew that God had spoken to them and said,
it's going to be okay. It's true. It's true.
Wow. Well, Claren, to close now, would you pray
for our listeners and our viewers? Certainly.
Lord, we... Thank you for the times that you
have allowed us to be called to live and be a
light in. Lord, for every one of us listening
to this podcast, no matter when we see it or
hear it, what we've been doing or what we plan
to do, you have a plan that is so much greater
than anything we can imagine. And you've already
told us my ways are higher than yours. My thoughts
are higher. And you spoke to Israel and Isaiah
40 and said, do you not know, have you not heard
that God, the creator of the ends of the earth,
does not grow weary, neither tired, but he gives
strength to the weary. And Lord, we thank you
for giving us your vision. Lord, I ask that those
listening to this podcast, as you would have
them come to the convention, or even if they
can't come, that you would just speak to their
hearts even now and renew our vision. Give us
your vision for what you'd have us do. Lord,
we ask that you would do miracles right before
our eyes. You are Yehovah Yirei. You're the God
who sees the need and you provide for the need
even as you see it. Even before we see it, you
see it. You're Yehovah Shema. You're the God
who's always there. And you're Adonai Roe. You're
our good shepherd. Who longs, Isaiah 30 says,
you long to be gracious to us. You wait in the
heavens to be compassionate to us. You're a God
of justice. And then your word says, how blessed
are we who long for you. Psalm 33 says, how great
is your goodness. which you've stored up for
us who fear you, which you've worked out for
us who take refuge in you. You hide us in the
secret place of your presence. So Lord, as we're
in your presence right now, we just do what Romans
12, one and two says. Once again, Lord, we offer
ourselves as a living sacrifice. We choose not
to be conformed to this world, but we open ourselves
up and we say, yes, Holy Spirit, transform me
by the renewing of my mind. So that I can prove
how good your will is, how acceptable and how
much that word is, it's perfecting me, teleos.
not just that it's the perfect will of God, but
it's the will that is perfecting us. We say,
Lord, increase our vision, transform our thinking,
perfect us, bring us in to that wonderful design
that you originally had in mind when we were
formed together in our mother's womb. Yes, Lord.
Do that new thing in this time, Lord. Something
that's far better than what I've thought. Work
mightily. And Lord, we thank you that we know
you will do that. You've always done it in every
one of these gatherings that we've had. So we
look forward, Lord, last year was awesome. So
many of the times last year as we watched the
nations come together to worship, as we listened
to Dean Braxton share his wonderful revelations
that he received, marvelous, marvelous things
that that I had never thought of as always. Every
time he opens his mouth, he says something I
haven't thought of. Lord, we thank you for the
blessing that you've allowed us to come together.
And we just pray into those meetings, now months
before they happen, mashu hadash, that new thing
for this kairos moment. Amen. And we thank you
for doing it. And Lord, we thank you for doing
that today. Whenever today is, whenever whoever
is listening to this, Lord, everything that they
need right now. Yes Lord. I ask Lord that you
would speak to hearts. Speak to our spirit even
beyond our heart. Yes Lord. And just let us know
like you let those captives know in the dark,
in the tunnel, I'm right here. Yes. It's gonna
be okay. Yes. Just follow me. Just acknowledge
me in all of your ways. And I right now, I know
this is true Lord, you're saying I right now
am smoothing out the path. I'm making it Yishal
in front of you. Thank you. All you have to do
is acknowledge me. All you have to do is ask.
Yes Lord, thank you Jesus. So Lord, we Ask before
we even know what to ask for. You just do what
you want to do. Also have that path in front
of us that's your path and we'll say, Baruch
Chabah. Thank you, Lord God, for all of your
many, many wonderful paths that you're creating
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