But, you know, when I was with the Father and
Jesus in heaven, there were things that I was
experiencing there that when I came back to earth,
I thought to myself, it's not a Jewish culture.
It's not an Israeli culture. It's a heavenly
culture. And there were things that God gave
the Jewish people or the Israelites that were
really a representative of heaven. And he meant
for these people to be able to portray that on
this planet. God promises in Joel 2 .28 to pour
out His Spirit on all humanity. Welcome to Global
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outpouring, we equip for that outpouring, so
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Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome to
the podcast today. Wow, have we got an episode
for you. We are here in Jerusalem with our dear
friend, Dean Braxton, the man that we know that
went to heaven for an hour and 45 minutes while
his body was being worked on in the hospital.
The doctor said he was really, really dead for
a long time. And this is his first opportunity
to come to Israel. He said that he saw things
in heaven that he didn't understand, but he knew
that the Jewish people would understand them.
He knew that there was something that was hidden
in scripture that he wasn't seeing yet, but he
was going to learn about it when he came here.
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Well, Dean, it's a delight to have you with us
here in Jerusalem. We've been talking about this
for some years already. Right, right. And I remember
when, I guess we'd gotten to know each other
a little bit, but you told us that you had seen
things in heaven that you didn't understand,
but you knew that the Jewish people would understand,
and you were looking forward to this. Give us
a little bit more of your... Well, first of all,
thank you for joining us. And just give us a
little bit more of your expectations and then
just roll with whatever you want to unpack from
what you've seen while we've been here together.
You know, Sharon and Phil, it's really great
to be able to do this. I'm excited about unpacking
this, not only in this podcast, but also in future
podcasts. I can see God really taking this and
moving it even further. I don't know what to
tie to it. I kind of like saying Jerusalem and
heaven are Israelites and the heavenly encounter
I had and how that... connects together. I don't
really know how to title it yet or even say,
you know, how to frame it. But, you know, when
I was with the Father and Jesus in heaven, there
were things that I was experiencing there that
when I came back to earth, I thought to myself,
it's not a Jewish culture. It's not an Israeli
culture. It's a heavenly culture. And there were
things that God gave the Jewish people or the
Israelites that were really a representative
of. heaven. And he meant for these people to
be able to portray that on this planet. You know,
there's that scripture says, you know, our Father
who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy
kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it
is in heaven. And we think about that when Jesus
spoke it. But the reality of it, that was something
that God gave to the Jewish people way back when
Abraham believed that it was accounted unto him
as righteousness. And I've always had a heart
to come. to Jerusalem and see where the connection
is. That was something I desired right after
I came back to the planet. I can remember having
this desire to want to connect those things with
the things that the Jewish people or the Israelites
were used to. It was like there were things that
they assumed we knew about that were really connected
to heaven. And when we read our word or read
the Bible, We're missing out on some things because
it's part of their culture. Because I think sometimes
what has happened is that we've looked at it
and said, oh, that's Old Testament. That really
doesn't apply to the New Testament. You know,
even though we say the Bible, which is all books
in the Old Testament and all the books in the
New Testament. But we kind of like we're separated.
We're just people that live in the New Testament
instead of the Old Testament. But if God, in
the sense of what I experienced, really did give.
heavenly substance to the Jewish people and how
they were to walk on this planet, then you cannot
separate it. It has to go together to really
understand the New Testament, to really get the
power that we were given from God even way back.
In those days when Abraham believed that it was
accounted unto him as righteousness, or Moses
when he traveled out of Egypt into the promised
land, as in the sense of Joshua really got into
the promised land. But there were things that
I wanted to connect in that sense. And being
here in Jerusalem and Israel, I'm telling you
something right now. It's been overwhelming.
I even see more than I thought I would see in
the sense of the connections here. You know,
it's great to go. around and visit the different
places. And yeah, there is a sense of the spiritual
aspect of things. But when I see these things
that the Israelites had put together or the Jewish
people had put together or the Levites were supposed
to be doing, I look at them. I said, that right
there, there it is right there, that little thing.
I saw it in heaven. And now I see the connection
that God wanted that to be put on the planet
to the point that. Everything's alive. There's
nothing dead. A couple of people that were with
me, and we would look at the Ark of the Covenant,
and they have the cherubim zone and the angels
on the side. And they asked me a question. They
said, are they really like that? And I looked
at them in such a way like, they're alive. Yeah,
yeah. This representation here is not the living
thing. Well, we froze them in time. Oh, good
way to put it. They're not frozen in time. so
there's movements in that sense of being over
it's so many different forms and it was like
they're alive and it was like looking at them
like don't you know they're alive they're not
dead you know i mean it's not one though and
here we think sometimes that that form or that
structure or that the way it was made that's
the way it is always and it's not You know, because
you got live beings there. You don't have a guy
took a picture and said, hey, this is how it's
going to be. They're moving all the time. Yes,
beautiful. And you know what's so cool about
it? Let me go a little bit farther with that.
Please. They're part of the angels that are flying
around listening to God and saying, holy, holy,
holy, thou art holy. So they're not stuck on
the Ark of the Covenant in a model. They can
leave and go around the throne of God and say,
holy, holy, holy, thou art holy. Wow. Glory to
God. So they're not constantly hovering over
the mercy seat. No. Well, they're constantly
hovering in the sense that God's constantly hovering
over the mercy seat. Well, there you go. There
you go. The mercy seat. We would call it beneath
God. I can't really say it's beneath God because
in heaven there's no up or down or anything like
that. But within the midst of God, there is the
mercy seat. You know what I mean? Within the
midst, not on the outside, not around him. in
the midst of him. So you got these angels that
literally go into that midst of God and they're
over the mercy seat, but they're going around
the throne of God also saying, holy, holy, holy,
thou art holy. Now you take that as a motion
picture, it gives you a whole different view
of what was really taken on when God had put
that symbol of that representation of heaven
on this planet. Beautiful, beautiful. Well, I've
always, well, I don't know if it's always, but
I've had the understanding that when Moses was
on Mount Sinai with God in his presence, that
God caught him up to heaven and showed him heaven,
showed him what it's like, and said, okay, now
here's how I want you to represent it on earth.
Yeah. So that you've got... Because on earth,
you have such a thing as inanimate objects. Yes.
In other words, objects that are not alive. Yes.
We don't consider stones to be alive. We don't
consider gold to be alive. Once you cut down
the tree, we don't consider it to be alive. You
know, to make the Ark of the Covenant, you've
got gold and you've got... The shatim tree that's
been cut. The wooden box. The wooden box. Gold
covered. It's a gold box inside of a wooden box
inside of a gold box. And then that's all covered
with gold. And then there's the gold mercy seat
and then the gold cherubim. But those are on
the earth inanimate. Correct. But not in heaven.
Not in heaven. Everything. Like the gold in heaven.
is alive, right? It's alive. It's living. You
know, I say it thinks it's intelligent. All the
things that we think about as a person being
alive. Here you have all these things. items
in heaven but they're alive now how do you capture
that the thing about capturing something here
on the planet is once you capture it you're only
capturing the image at that moment the next moment
it's a whole different image and the next moment
it's a whole different image so the image you
have here on the planet is for that moment but
what was the next moment you know i think about
what you just said in the sense of moses being
taken up and and being shown these things which
i can go with that whether he left the planet
or not he was shown these things right and when
he was shown these things it wasn't like he was
shown like a movie theater we went to the movie
and paid our ticket and we went in and we sat
down the seat. And the next thing you know, we're
watching this movie go before us. He participated
in it. So he literally, we would say he would
become part of the movie. He wasn't just a viewer
of the movie. He was part of the movie. So he
would have been able to touch the Ark of the
Covenant. He would have been able to experience
the angels or the cherubim flying around and
the motion being moved in heaven. He would have
been able to experience the glory of God or the
midst of God around him. So it wasn't just a
movie theater type of representation. And the
reason I say whether he went or not, because
you don't really care if you went or not, you're
in it. You know what I mean? So it's like Paul
said, whether I was in the body or out of the
body, it doesn't matter. I was there. That's
all that really matters. Yes. And so in saying
that to you, it comes back to really looking
at what God was trying to give to the Israelites
or the people here on the planet to be able to
represent that. on the planet, which is also
in heaven. One of the things I'd like to point
out here is that when he did do these things,
Moses did these things and put these things together,
everything was still alive. Even the inanimate
objects we had here were alive because God was
imparted within those items. They still had...
life in them. That's why when David was moving
the Ark of the Covenant from one place to another
place, and someone touched it, and they said
they touched it wrong, and he died, because they're
alive. And the power of that item was still powerful,
because God was within that. He just didn't say,
I'm taking a picture of something, and I'm putting
it down there, and he didn't have nothing to
do with it after that. He was still very much
involved with that, because that's God. That's
who he is. And so the power that probably came
off and all of a sudden the man's physical body
could not handle it, you know, is really God
himself that he experienced. Wow. That's even
thinking about it. You know what I mean? You
know, and that's before we really dwelled with
the Holy Spirit. So now we have the Holy Spirit
inside of us. And if we have the presence of
God because of the Holy Spirit on the inside
of us, we don't get shocked. Next thing you know,
we're not around. You know what I mean? Have
a bigger transformer. Yeah. That's good. We don't
have that experience because we have the Holy
Spirit on the inside. That's a game changer.
You know what I mean? That's a whole game changer.
But they didn't have that at the time. And so
their experiencing of these things is without
God Almighty and the sense of the Holy Spirit
living on the inside of them. You know, now you
can even say when Jesus said, I give you a helper.
What is that really that helper doing? He's helping
you to experience the spiritual realm without
dying. Wow. That's really good. That is amazing.
So that was one moment here that you've just
kind of gone all the way around. Can I ask one
before we continue? Is there anything on earth
that we see in scripture that holds the glory
of God that would be alive like that other than
the ark? You know, all the items that we saw
so far and anything related to the tabernacle
period or the temple period. that was directed
by God to be designed and put together, all of
those things have life within them. It doesn't
matter how big they are or how small they are.
Every one of them have life. Literally, wow,
this is even more powerful than when you think
about it. Even the priest's garments, okay? We
look at it as this just represents something.
No, you don't understand. God is the designer
of it. He gave command to implement it. And this
goes right along with heaven. There's a lot of
things when you get to heaven, God is still designing
and still creating. And he's giving his redeem
to implement it. Okay. That's a whole different
area to go into. Save that for another podcast.
We're still implementing the things of God, even
though he's the creator. So you've got these
garments. We were up there looking at the place
where Jesus was supposed to be born at the other
day. Remember that? Yes. And you talked about
the swallowing clothes. And you're talking about
how those were the clothes that worn out. Yeah,
the Levites or the priests, their garments. when
they were worn out, would be turned into strips
for swaddling clothes for the lambs that would
be sacrificed. Well, if you think of that, if
they are doing it the way God wants them to do
it, that still has life within it. So did you
hear what I just said? So life was being wrapped
around the sheep. And then when Jesus was born,
God himself, the life was wrapped around. Jesus
Christ. Beautiful. The anointing. When we talk
about anointing, we talk about like oil being
poured on, which is some of the, you got to,
God is literally pouring out his life within
that situation. Yes. And in that darkness has
to leave. Darkness has to go in that sense, you
know, and saying that to you. Everything that
God—I'm watching all these items that we've seen
so far here in Jerusalem. You know, me and you
are going to go through each item. I'm going
to go through the Bible. I'm going to break it
down. Me and you are going to go ahead and talk
about each item because each item is a world
within itself. Wow. You know, I always tell people
when I was in heaven that the very leaves on
the tree was like a universe, if you want to
understand. Wow. And you think about all the
different leaves on a tree, and every one is
a universe. Wow. Well, that's the same thing
when we think about these things that God gave
the Israelites or the Jewish people to implement
here on the planet. Everything is a world within
itself. And the thing about that is we'll do
the best we can. We'll have boundaries because
of what we're doing, but there's no boundaries
with God. So when we're talking about something
just like we did with the Ark of the Covenant.
That really doesn't have no boundaries. Someone's
like, what's that, Melchizedek? You know, he
said he had no beginning and no end. Now that's
a whole different story. I got a new look on
that like I've never had before. Me and you will
tease it out and we'll break it up later on.
in one of the podcasts that we do. But in reality,
if you think about the life of God being implemented
within everything that he does, you know, all
the way to when we talk about the tabernacle
and the way it was put together to the point
of the temple and how God had that formed and
why it was formed where it was. Did you hear
what I said? We say build. No, formed. There's
a whole different thinking when you look at forming
something than building something. Wow. Can I
ask a question? I rarely get to ask questions
because it's always sure. It's like, with everything
is alive, like the breastplate of the high priest.
You know, I remember hearing Sister Dorn, you
know, when she was teaching on the tabernacle.
And another name I liked at Urim and Thummim
was Lights and Perfection. And it was kind of
her theory that maybe the stones would light
up in a particular... code or something in order.
And even like Saul, when he went to inquire by
the Urim and Thummim and got no answer. And that
was off the ephod of the high priest and David
inquired of the Lord. Did you see anything in
particular about that? You know, that's really
something. Philip, that you bring that up because
I skipped over it a few minutes ago because it's
an explosion. I literally wanted to be able to
go back to the Bible and look at that for a couple
of reasons. Number one, I'm writing this book
on meeting family in heaven, and I know how much
that breastplate plays in family development
on the planet, number one. You know, you have
those colors there. All of those colors are represented
in heaven and in the shades of each color. So
you have the color and then the shade of each
color. You know, my friend here, your friend
too, Mary Lois, brought up a few things about
how Gwen Shaw has written a book about the 12
tribes. Yeah, the tribes of Israel. And the tribes
of Israel. And I thought, man, I need to read
that book because there is a connection between
that book and myself. and what I experienced
with the Father and Jesus in heaven. And so I
think I'd be honest with you. I almost feel like
God is saying to me, Gwen went so far in what
she knew, and now you can take it the rest of
the way. And so I'm going to go back and look
at that book or read that book for the first
time. And then I'm going to take that and move
forward with it when it comes to family. plate
is really representing family, you know, and
how family is supposed to be eternal and the
role of family. The Israelites were supposed
to play that out here on the planet. That was
God's plan. And that breastplate was supposed
to be a reminder to them of their importance
as families and fulfilling their role here on
the planet. And so when you ask that question
about it, it is very significant. significant
but it is also one of those things that i feel
like god has given me the responsibility to tease
it out and bring it into that heavenly realm
because again we're looking at it from an earthly
round i remember when we were up what i call
shiloh what do they call it shiloh you know and
we were talking about the breath and the priest
and we you know and they were bringing up things
about the priest but i'm looking at the garments
and what they're in i'm saying they're representing
God's family here on the planet. That's what
that was really about. The uniqueness of God's
family here. Yeah, they were called Israelites
and now we call them the Jewish people. But the
reality, God had a plan for each one of those
12 stones and their representation of the family
here and the color. And every color has a sound.
So there is a sound that goes along with every
color. You know what I mean? So you just can't
think about color and leave it at that. There's
a sound that literally goes along with that.
So what was the sound of that family? Somebody
better grab what I just said there. Every family
has a sound to it. When that sound is disrupted
or broken, then the family goes through turmoil.
But as long as the sound is still going, the
pure sound that God gave from heaven. Then you've
got harmony with it. And that's a good way of
saying it. You guys are music people. You know
how harmony is. Sure, sure. But it goes along
with what you just said about the priests and
what they were responsible. And I really believe
if we had a way to dig into that with some of
the teachings here in Jerusalem, that we would
find, you know, there's the, I want to say, root.
I was corrected the other day. And is that right
now? They say root? Some people say root. Some
people say root. Okay, root. Yeah, I was correct.
So I'm trying to get that word. There's no U.
It's R -O -O -T. Yeah, R -O -O -T. There's no
U. Yeah. But I bet if we could, we would find
it somewhere here where we're going to find out
that breastplate was when it was first given.
was to look at representing the israelites not
as tribes as we think we have a hard time with
that on the west you know we're westerners so
we look at but in reality it's family and that's
ingrained in this land yeah you know while you're
talking about it it reminds me of two places
in scripture the first one is in the book of
joshua where the children of israel have come
into the land And the first city that they conquer
is Jericho. And God said to them, this whole
thing is mine. Don't you touch anything of it
there. You can't take anything as like your reward
for war. The booty. There's no there's no you
can't have this. This is mine. And and the principle,
I think, is that the first fruits belong to the
Lord. Right. So that that first city was the
first fruits that all of it belonged to the Lord.
It was all dedicated to God. It was holy to God.
And Achan got tempted and he took this Babylonian
garment and he took this wedge of gold. And I
don't remember what else he took, but he had
buried it in his tent. And then they weren't
able to succeed in the next battle. And Joshua
was crying before the Lord. The Lord says, drive
your tears. There's sin in the camp. And they
gathered around. And I believe that they used,
whether it was the Urim and Tumim or whether
it was the breastplate itself where it spells
out or it highlights the tribe, the stone of
that tribe. I'm not sure how it happened. But
somehow they used that, I believe, to identify,
okay, which tribe is it? Right. And then which
family is it? Right. And the same thing was when,
I believe, when Saul was being chosen to become
the king and was anointed by Samuel, that the
tribe of Benjamin was chosen and the family of
Kish was chosen and then Saul was chosen. And
I think that somehow it was being used. or the
ephod, the breastplate was being used for that
purpose. And I could see that very much happening
due to the fact that, again, I would say life
was in that. You know what I mean? And when life
is in anything, I could see the lightening up.
I could see the colors lightening up. You know,
all of a sudden becoming brighter. And then a
shade may become brighter. Do you understand
what I'm talking about? I can see God. That's
God. And most people, ah, because we're trying
to look at it from a human point of view or our
limitation point of view and trying to describe
it from that end. And yet you've got to remember
God can do these things. You know, there's many
miracles he did in the wilderness, you know,
that we can recall. But the reality of it is
he could do it. He could light up a color and
then make it. shade of it you know and who knows
if the israelites are at that time each one knew
their shade Oh, I wonder. It may have been a
common that we are this shade, you know what
I mean? And this is the shade of this color,
you know, that type of thing. Because in heaven,
when you get there, you're going to see so many
different shades. Right. You know what I mean?
All kinds of shades of colors there. And God
is still producing colors. I didn't see him changing
anyone's redeem color or anything like that.
I'm not saying he's not doing it. I just did
see it. Right. reality of it is people were identified
by their family color. And I know people say,
but what about this? I don't know. He did it.
I just saw it. And the closest I can come is
that breastplate that's on the priest. You understand
what I mean? Which represents the priest is representing
who at that moment? Who is the priest representing?
Jesus. So you think about that part of it. We're
all connected because of him and the colors are
shining. I just remember knowing there was no
darkness in heaven. This just came to me. There's
no darkness in heaven. Why wouldn't there be?
I always say because the Father and Jesus shines
out of everything. So you think about those colors.
They are beautiful colors and Jesus and the Father
is shining out of everybody. So I can see that
with the breastplate you're just talking about,
identifying. You know, someone that way that,
you know, we could go on that forever. But I
really want to look at that closer because of
just the book I'm writing, you know, meeting
family in heaven. Yeah. And I really believe
that God wants me to bring out that color. Yeah.
You know. And I think that each of the stones
were engraved with the letters of the name of
the tribe. Yeah. So that I've and I've heard
this. I don't know if it's Jewish tradition or
if it's. Talmud or Mishnah or something like
that. I don't know if it's written or if it's
just handed down, but I understand that there
is something to the letters themselves lighting
up and spelling things to give the message. Wow.
I don't know if that's a fact. I don't know if
you saw anything in heaven that would indicate
that kind of thing. You know what I saw in heaven
when you say that? When he says he's going to
give us a new name, we think individually. God
doesn't think individually. He thinks family.
Okay. So the name that we're going to have is
going to be a name that starts off with the family
name. Okay. And then your name. Okay. And, you
know, like we have our surnames, you know, Braxton
is my surname. It comes at the end of Dean. You
know what I mean? It would be like all the Braxons.
And I don't want to know if the word Braxton
is going to be there, but it'd be Braxton and
then Dean. You know what I mean? It'd be bus.
and then Sharon, or Bus, and then Phil. So there's
going to be a new name that everyone's going
to be identified for, but the beginning of it
is going to be telling what family you belong
to. Beautiful. You know, if you think about it,
you have the children of Israel, and then you
have the breastplate with all the individual
tribes. But the children of Israel was first,
and then each one of them, they're of the tribe
of Judah. And then the name came. It sounds like
you've got a genealogy. That's correct. Where
you've got Judah and Phares and the next one
and Minadab and Nachshon. And I think part of
it is because in heaven, names are your purpose.
You know, this group here does this. You know,
we could go more into that because of the temple
and the tabernacle and how families were called
to serve. Right. You know, and they had their
time of serving. Right. But the reality of it
is if you break it down even more, these people
are in charge of this. So their name will start
off with whatever they're in charge of. And then
within that breaking down of that name is you're
in charge of this, but you do this part. Right.
You're going to carry this piece of the tabernacle.
That's right. And that would be your name. Oh,
okay. And I'm breaking it down, okay, like the
Ark of the Covenant and the people that carried
it. You're the right front side. You're the left
front side. And that would be your name. Wow.
Well, didn't you tell us at one time that when
you were in heaven, that God gave you the name,
go back. Yeah, and that was because of my responsibility
of coming back to the planet. You may remember,
if we look at this from a heavenly point of view,
I want to go back to that scripture that says,
Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy
name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth
as it is in heaven. And I'm literally taking
the colors now and making them more alive because
in heaven, they're not a breastplate on somebody.
The redeemed are the breastplate colors. The
redeemed are the breastplate. Yes. Selah. Selah.
Pause and think about that for just a second.
Okay. So like on God's breastplate, is that what
this is? This is what it is. And I want to break
back in this because this is very significant
too. Because we just think about the colors.
But there's a sound with every color. So everybody
has a sound. And in heaven, you're in harmony.
Perfect harmony with your family, finally. That's
a good way of putting it. I don't know about
you, but when I think about being in perfect
harmony with my family, that brings great joy
to me. Oh, yes. Because on the planet, we try
so hard to be imperfect. harmony with our family,
not talking about other people outside of that.
And again, we are all the family of God. I think
I get that from people that have a hard time
with their family. And so they don't want to
be left out and say, no, no, that doesn't really
matter. We are all the family of God. And they're
right about that. We are all the family of God.
But I want to be honest, understand there is
within the family, a family. You know, there
were the Israelites, and that was one family,
one huge family. You take cousins, once removed,
or cousins three times removed, or whatever you
want to say, you know what I mean? Or uncle or
auntie, all that type of stuff. But within that,
all that stuff, there is also a family. And that
family... The major reason for that is because
that family was anointed. I put that word out
there, chosen, given that life word to accomplish
something in God's kingdom that was supposed
to be eternal, not temporal. And there was no
temporal assignment in heaven. They're eternal
assignments. Wow. Okay. And so if you think about
that, even here on the planet. Sometimes people
don't realize there is literally no temporal
assignments here. They're all eternal. I believe
that. And I've been saying that to people about
relationships. You know, when I meet people and
we connect, you know, there's certain times that
you really feel a connection with people. And
I said, this is an eternal connection. It is.
We may not meet again on this planet, but we
have an eternal connection. And somehow. In eternity,
we're going to be working together or at least
acquainted or something. And I feel that way
too with a lot of people. I feel like sometimes
when I walk into a place, since I do a lot of
meetings all over the place, I feel like sometimes
I walk into a place and I know somebody. It is
that I met him down the road or something like
that. But our purpose was connected through Jesus.
So now we're fulfilling our purpose together
as we're moving forward. And it's an eternal
purpose. And so it's almost like I walk in and
I act like we've always known each other. Sometimes
some people have a hard time with that because
they're thinking, no, we got to go through the
induction. I got to get to know you. You know,
we got to see if you really, really who you are.
And I understand that. But there's times when
I want. walk in. I can walk into a church. It's
like, I have been a part of this church since
the beginning. And you all are people I know.
And I talk to you like that. And I have to watch
out because some people, they, who are you doing
that? That's how I feel. That's how I really
feel. I have no strangers in the kingdom of God.
Amen. Amen. That's so beautiful. We're having
some technical issues that have caused us to
disconnect from each other and we're reconnected
now. And so if the conversation seems a little
disconnected, it's because we have to go back
and figure out where we dropped the ball and
come back together. So we were talking about
the eternal connections and how, you know, relationships
that start on the earth are for eternity. But
now how do you see that? Is there some way to
connect what we're talking about now to what
you've seen here in Israel? You know, you've
seen lots of things. And I know that you are
wanting to unpack some things in your own study
time before you bring them back to another episode
of this podcast. But I want to just see if there's
anything that you saw or that you have seen here
in the spirit realm or connecting to what you
saw in heaven. with regard to relationships?
You know, I believe if we look at that as a whole
package, what you're just talking about was the
Israelites, you know, with the Jewish people,
there's a different view that we need to look
at them instead of just one group. Within the
group, there are certain responsibilities that
each portion was supposed to play. And I think
they knew that as a nation. You could put it
that way. And I think it was so ingrained with
them that it was second nature to them to walk
this way. But that wasn't portrayed. and many
of the things that we now look at the Jewish
people and see how they're acting. Even I think
sometimes when I go around the city and I'm watching
so many different sects, you could say, in the
sense of this group is over here doing this,
and this group is believing this, and this group
is, and they're disjointed. Maybe the Pharisees
and Sadducees started it out. I don't know who
started it out, you know, but that God never
meant for them to be disjointed like that. Yes.
You know, he meant for them to be together, moving
into saying maybe to understand the reason they're
disjointed, just like the body of Christ. We
get disjointed a whole lot is because everybody
has a certain responsibility and it's not the
same. And it's a part to play in the kingdom
of God, but it's not the part. And sometimes
I think we want to be the part. You know, I could
bring it back down to the. Church is considered
the body of Christ, and every portion of the
body has a different responsibility. Let's go
back to the Jewish people. When the children
of Israel were chosen to move forward in God's
kingdom, every family has a different portion
of responsibility. And then all of a sudden,
somehow, one portion decided they'd take over
another portion. say, hey, your portion is not
as good as our portion. That's something. And
yet, in God's kingdom, everything has a greatness
to it. There isn't one thing that's greater to
another thing. It just has a different responsibility
or meaning, but it's still great. And that's
what I could see in this when I go around here
in Jerusalem now and see the different connections.
I think if I was to stay here longer, I would
be able even to distinguish the different pieces
because I would see the personality. I think
when Shaw brought that out in that book when
Mary Lois was talking to me, she's always talking
about these different... I think that it became
a deficit, but it was never meant to be a deficit.
It was meant to be a plus. Because in heaven,
you have the same thing going on. Everybody has
these different colors. They have their different
sounds in the sense of family, not individually,
but as family. But everybody's also... working
together, as we would say on the planet, working
together. They're in unity. Oh, that's a huge
word. That's a huge word. I wish we could understand
unity. Doesn't mean we're all doing the same
thing in the same way. We're doing what God wants
us to do, but we're all connected in doing it.
There's a difference. And I think what happens
a lot of time is people think unity is follow
me and my steps to do exactly what I'm doing
or think like I'm thinking. And then when unified,
no, you can still think like you're doing as
long as it's God, because my thinking will come
alongside yours. And now we're in unity. And
so that's what I think I've seen in Jerusalem
is that when we talk about the Israelites, the
people here. is they don't have the unity because
one group believes this way, one group believes
that way, one group believes this. Me and you
were talking about it, and it's of the Temple
Mount, where the actual temple would be. If it
was to come back, where would it be placed at?
And one group believes it should be over here,
and another group believes it should be over
there. And then they get what we call very dogmatic
or religious about it, to the point where I'm
not going to talk to you because you think it's
over here. And then we don't have unity. Yeah,
there's division. And division. And then you
got the enemy of God says, hey, I'm going to
take advantage of that division. Right. You know,
and then he brings his evil influence up here.
And the next thing you know, now we're not fighting
only ourselves because we don't agree on something.
Now we got all these other demons and devils
and evil spirits to fight. Sure. You know, and
that's what I see here in this area. Very spiritual
place for both sides. What do you mean by that?
There's a good side and there's a bad side, but
both is very spiritual. You know what I mean?
Well, yeah, I think it's like zooming in and
zooming in and zooming in and zooming in. And
the biggest focus is who's going to be worshipped
on the Temple Mount. Yes. You know, you've got
the whole earth. Yes. The whole earth belongs
to the Lord. But you've got this land. That God
promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and their
descendants. So you get this land, and then you
focus down, and then you've got Jerusalem. It's
the city of the great king. And then you've got
the Temple Mount, where his presence dwelt. There's
still a sense of the presence of the Lord there.
And the idea of the battle that's going on. And
you talked about... some of the darkness that
you saw, some of the demonic activity, that they're
not just fighting the good, they're also fighting
among themselves. They're fighting each other.
Tell us a little about that. That's a good thing,
too. Yeah, it is. I remember us being on the
Mount of Olivet, and it was during a time when
they were praying. Oh, yes. And we could look
down literally into the Temple Mount. Yeah. And
I could see in that spiritual realm, and it was
like the demons are fighting each other more
than they were fighting the light. You know,
I mean, trying to see who was going to be in
control. But, you know, that's evil. Evil always
fights against itself. Right. And you may say,
well, good fights against itself. No, good doesn't
fight against itself. This is true. And I'm telling
you right now, good does not do that. Well, this
group is fighting against, then they must not
be on the good side. That's a whole different
story because good does not fight against itself.
You know, well, the church fights against. I
was there. Jesus said the gates of hell will
not prevail against his church. I don't know
what church you're talking about, but the church
of Jesus is not fighting. Now you may have a
personality problem or you may go through some
issues with somebody, but that doesn't mean Jesus
is with you fighting against that person. Sometimes
you say our pride gets in the way. Let's put
it that way. But in that sense of going back
and looking at all the demonic that I've seen
in this area is that literally they're fighting
against themselves. And they're trying to jockey
to see who's going to be in control. There's
some movies that I've watched, and I remember
seeing how the demonic realm would fight against
itself. You know, they'd kill each other off
in a moment. You know what I mean? People think,
well, you know, don't you guys do the same? No.
Again, good doesn't do that. Okay, that's evil.
Evil will do that, but good doesn't do that.
And so here we got these demonic things fighting
with each other, killing each other off all the
time in the sense of trying to get power so that
they'd be in more charge. They'd be in charge
of something more than anything else. They're
all after one thing, and that's the worship.
to be recognized by us to redeem so that they
get some kudos for themselves let's put it that
way you know yeah sometimes we'll do that i'll
tell you the truth sometimes we'll recognize
them and Give them a bigger honor, you know,
in the sense of how we describe them than they
should ever be honored. And I like that scripture
said that it was against the law. Now I understand
to even say the names of demons, you know, and
most people don't realize it was against the
law. Because once we say things, we don't realize
it was given to us. Life and death is in the
power of tongue. We start edifying them. And
once we start edifying them, then we give them
more power to go ahead and do some things that
they shouldn't be able to do to us because we've
edified them. But Sharon, when I go back and
I think about that and looking down and seeing
all that take place, the other thing that I came
to understand is we got the restrainers that
are here. People that are praying and they're
restraining the evil. So it's not going out.
We got bad things happening in the planet. Don't
get me wrong. But the reality of it is God has
placed people here to restrain in that spiritual
realm things that would be a lot worse off. And
so I think I want to go back because I didn't
bring this out earlier. When the children of
Israel were moving, and I believe they probably
knew this because they had the cloud, you know,
by day and the pillar by night. They always knew
that the presence of God was going to go with
them as they went forward. And many times it
was the heavenly host that was going with them
in the sense of angels. And we look at it as
they were traveling. But God always had that
heavenly host going with them. Okay. And so.
that heavenly host has not been reassigned. Oh,
that's good. You understand what I mean? That's
good. And so it's probably not as active as it
would like to be, but it's still around. You
understand what I'm talking about? And so in
saying that to you, you've got that heavenly
host that's still around. We always talk about
the miracles of this nation, just how it came
into existence and how they won this and how
they did this. You've got to remember, they still
had the heavenly host. It's like when David was
anointed as king of all of Israel. And he said,
well, should I go forward and fight the Philistines?
And the Lord said, when you hear the army of
the Lord in the treetops go forward, well, that's
that heavenly host. There's still a sign to this
nation. Yes, yes. And that wasn't far from here.
Yeah. That was really just some blocks from here.
Oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah. So in saying that
to you, it's still here. Still here. I've been
a lot of places and a lot of places throughout
the world and also in the United States. And
I will say the most spiritual activity I've ever
seen is being in this place on both sides. There
is a lot going on here and a lot. Yes. Wow. Do
you have any other impressions that you want
to share? You know, I'm looking forward to our
future times together where I really am excited
about going through the word of God and looking
at it because God is a detailed God. I haven't
had the release to talk about the things that
I'm talking about now. And now God is revealing
these things to me. from the earthly point of
view. I had them from the heavenly point of view,
but from the earth. So I'm looking forward to
working with global outpouring in the next few
months. And we're really teasing out the things
in the next few months and watching how God brings
these things to life. And I love it that you
and Phil have this background. You've been coming,
how long have you been coming? Since 1978. Yeah,
and since you guys, it helps out when you bring
in those little things on the side. I think in
traveling and since I've been here in Jerusalem,
and I loved it when Gene Little would bring up
things, or Mayor Lewis would bring up. things
that filled with break because it opened up even
more for me to be able to see you know and to
connect and there was so many wow moments i didn't
always say it out loud but in my head there was
like wow wow because now i was connecting that
heavenly realm to this earthly realm and how
god poured it into the israelites you know the
jewish people to be able to spread upon the earth
And it was like, wow, that's why you did that.
Wow, that's why you said that. Wow, that's why
you had them create that. There were so many
of those. And I didn't know it was going to be
that vast. I knew there were some things I wanted
to connect, but I didn't know. It was going to
be that fast. So I'm excited to look forward
for the next few months and go through the word
of God and bring out things. And I'll probably
be calling you up and sharing. I found this out.
Listen to this. You know, I feel you've got to
hear this. You've got to hear this. And then
we would develop it and be able to bring it out
in this form. Because I believe it's going to
bring life. You know, it's not to promote me
or anything. It's to really bring life to people.
Yes. So that when they read their word, you know,
their Bible, it'll be more. I like what a friend
of mine, Nancy Teal, said that when she came,
being here really helped her the first time that
she was here, put more life to the Bible. Yes.
And I can see that. I would recommend anybody,
if you get an opportunity to come to Jerusalem,
take it because it will do that for you. But
we'll be able to go farther. We will be able,
me and you and Phil, we'll be able to not only,
if someone comes here and says, okay, now you've
seen the Ark of the Covenant. Now when they look
at it, they think, well, in heaven, those just
cherubims are alive. Yes. Do you understand?
Yes. All of a sudden, the Ark of the Covenant
isn't just a box with poles somebody carried.
Right, right. And all of a sudden, it's alive.
Yes. Does that make sense to you? Absolutely.
Absolutely. And I have seen. in the spirit, in
the description of how to make the Ark of the
Covenant. And I mentioned earlier that it's a
gold box inside of a wooden box, inside of a
gold box. And the kind of wood that it's made
out of is shittim wood. And it's like acacia
and it's thorny and it's gnarly. It grows really
slowly in the desert. You know, it's just, it's
a hard wood. And to me, that's a picture of our
fleshly nature. And gold is a picture of deity.
So when you get Jesus on the inside of you, and
you find yourself in Christ, and then that gold
crown that goes around the top of it, it covers
up the fleshly life. It covers up that fleshly
behavior. It takes us into Galatians 5. I love
how you call it G5. That whole list of the fleshly
nature. These are the works of the flesh. All
that gnarly stuff, all that pokey stuff, all
that stuff that you've described to us doesn't
go to heaven. And you get it tempered with the
presence of the Holy Spirit, where the Holy Spirit
is bringing forth His fruit of love and joy and
peace and patience and faith and kindness and
gentleness and all these things that are the
fruit of the Spirit, that are the nature. of
the Lord Jesus in our lives. It's the deity,
the gold covers up that fleshly nature and gets
empowered by the presence of God. Yeah. Well,
it's going to be good to tease all that out.
Yeah. In the next few months and me and you and
Phil be able to go through it. And I'm still
excited. I could say more. I won't say that.
It's just that I really want to be more detailed.
Yes. I just want to be more detailed. The showbread.
Why was it showbread? Oh, yeah. You know, why
was it even created in the way it was created?
Why do we have the procedure that they have?
You know, I know we have an earthly definition.
Right. But those are the things I experienced
in heaven. Good. And they're in the word. Okay.
I just want to go through it and help people
because I really believe in doing that. They'll
even see more. Yes. They'll see more. And the
whole purpose of it is that we be changed by
the presence of God, that the eyes of our understanding
are being enlightened, like Ephesians talks about,
that it's not just about getting head knowledge.
This is about getting transformed from glory
to glory, from faith to faith, that all of these
things that we're doing are equipping us for
operating with our Father in the purpose that
He made us for. So would you pray for our listeners?
Father, thank you for each and every person that's
listening right now. Thank you that you love
them so much. Thank you that you have your hand
on them even right now. And some of the people,
Father, I know they got excited by just hearing
this. And then some people are kind of like,
I got to question some things. I'm asking you
right now to calm that so that they can be able
to hear you and what will be brought out, not
only what was brought out in this moment, but
also what will be brought out in the future.
I thank you, Lord, that you love them so much.
That you want them to know this more than they
even are desiring to know it. And some of them
are desiring like everything they have. I also,
Lord, ask you to open up the door for those that
want to come to Jerusalem. Make a way for them.
to be able to come financially, because that's
usually the biggest hindrance for people not
coming, Lord. And then also, Lord, just to have
it where when they come, that they even experience
more of what we're talking about, Lord. Make
this a place that people come, and as my good
friend Mary Lloyd said, before rivers come out
of them, as they go back and they touch other
parts of their nation, Lord. You know, that's
what the Israelites were... given this responsibility
you know they were given this responsibility
to touch nations so father in the name of jesus
i just pray that the doors open for people to
come but they also go back and touch their nation
and lord i just thank you right now that you're
healing some people physically yes this is a
outward example of you doing something inward
within their lives right now I thank you. And
Lord, somebody's listening to this and don't
even really know what we're talking about. I
ask you to keep on drawing them. In your word,
it says, seek, knock, and ask, and you will find.
So Father, I'm asking in the name of Jesus, they're
seeking you. So help them to find you. Send somebody
to them as you did Ananias to Paul, you know.
Yes. And you helped him to find his way. Send
someone to them right now in the name of Jesus.
Comfort them in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Please
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