Not everybody's a prophet. Right. But people
that are prophets who flow in prophecy, like
I tell people, I'm a minister. I flow in prophecy.
I'm not a prophet. But if you're going to flow
in prophecy or be a prophet, you had better be
an intercessor. If you're not an intercessor,
I'm sorry. You're not a prophet. Wow. That's
my personal opinion. As my grandfather used to
say, that's like noses. Everybody has one. God
promised us in Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit
on all humanity. Welcome to Global Outpouring,
where we contend for that promised outpouring,
we equip for that outpouring, so that we may
engage in that very outpouring. I'm Philip Boss.
And I'm Sharon Boss. Welcome to the podcast today.
We're so delighted that you're with us for this
episode. We have with us a man who's becoming
very dear to us, Ken DeLoach. And he was given
a word back in 1978 that he's been living out
all these days. And it's about preparing him
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by God for the ministry that he has for you in
these end times. Well, Pastor Ken DeLoach, it's
such a blessing and a pleasure to have you with
us. You've been a member of this ministry for
many years, since 1978. Is that right? That is
correct. And we've just recently reconnected
because you were living in Georgia and we didn't
see a whole lot of you all those years. But welcome
to the podcast. Thank you so much. We're delighted,
delighted to have you. So we greatly appreciate
the fact that you came to our Generation Awakening
Youth and Young Adults. retreat recently, and
you humbled yourself to cook for us. And you're
a pastor, and of course, a pastor will do whatever
a pastor needs to do. That is the truth. But
tell us a little bit about yourself, your upbringing.
Did you grow up in a Christian home? Tell us
about where you came from. Well, first of all,
thank you for having me on the podcast. I appreciate
it so much. It's an honor to be here with you
guys. I grew up in a home that we knew about
God. And when I was younger, we went to church
once in a while, not regularly. It was not until
I became a teenager that we started going regularly
to church then. I grew up in a little town in
South Georgia in the middle of nowhere. We used
to make a joke that we live so far back in the
country, we have to pump sunshine into us back
there. So, you know, on a dirt road back on a
farm. Raised on a farm. And I thank God for my
upbringing, but it was a difficult childhood.
Very painful childhood. I think I remember you
talking about your father wasn't a good father.
No. My father was an alcoholic. Was very abusive,
not only to my mother, but to us children. He
didn't take care of his family. That's the easiest
way I know how to say it. He abused his family.
And it was difficult. I was the eldest, and to
see these things happen, and there was nothing
I could do. I wanted to do something, but at
the time, I was just a child, and I didn't know
what to do. I didn't know how to protect my mom,
to keep her. I've seen him beat her mercilessly
and put her in the hospital. I've seen him run
over with a pickup truck. I've had myself covered
in his blood. My mother would work all week long
in a sewing factory. He'd come home at the end
of the week with a paycheck, and he'd come in
and steal it and go spend it on his drinking
and his ladies. Oh, mercy. And we'd go pick up
Coca -Cola bottles alongside the highway and
turn them in for money. Then you could get a
deposit for them. And we would get mayonnaise
and bread and sometimes some eggs. A lot of times
supper was just mayonnaise and bread. Oh, mercy.
And it was a time when everybody had electricity,
but a lot of times we didn't. We'd have to cook
on a potbelly stove or we'd have to chop wood
for the fireplace. My friends didn't do that,
but that's the way I had to grow up. And I thank
God for that now. But then it seemed to me to
be an unfair burden. Yeah. Well, it really was
an unfair burden. But, you know, your dad probably
was raised that way too. No, he was not. Well,
earlier in life, he was. His father was an alcoholic
and very strong -willed man. He was a moonshine
runner. Oh, my. And he was the type that if he
felt like he wanted to fight, he'd knock somebody's
head off and then beat the daylights out of them.
Oh, my. That was my grandfather. He was a strong
man. And then he got arrested for moonshining
and sent off to a work camp. Back then, they
sent moonshiners to work camps to train them
to do something else. Wow. And every night, they
had an evangelist. And they had to go to church
every night to be preached to. And my grandfather
told me this happened before I was born. He would
tell me the story that one night they had a lady
preacher who came to the tent and spoke and he
gave his life to Christ. And he was never the
same. He was the most godly man I knew. That
was the grandfather I knew. I consider him my
dad a lot of times. I knew the godly man. I didn't
know. The rough and tumble moonshiner. Yeah.
Wow. So my dad had some of that, but he also
saw the other side. He was taken to church when
his father got saved. But dad just seemed to
want to go his own way, as some do. Wow. Did
he come to the Lord before he passed? I talked
to him many times in his later years. And dad,
I know I've talked to you before, but as a son,
I would not be doing my sonship part if I didn't
ask you again. Are you sure things are good with
you and the Lord? He says he'd say, son, you
don't have to worry about it. It's taken care
of. It's taken care of. That's all he would ever
say. Wow. Yeah. So I just have to depend upon
what he said. I can't tell you. Yeah. Because,
you know. Yeah. Well, I love what Dean Braxton
says from his experience in heaven, his hour
and 45 minutes outside of his body. He said it
is almost impossible for someone to go to hell
if someone's praying for them. Yes. Oh, thank
you, Jesus. I needed to hear that. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. God has a way. He said that God is strategizing.
Jesus is the greatest strategist, and he's always
strategizing about how to get people there. He's
trying to get people, and he is not trying to
keep people out. Yeah, I love, and I can't remember
the scripture right now that talks about that
he has mercy, that he's so merciful that he will
chase you down and pour his mercy upon you. Yes.
That's our God. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's like
the end of the 23rd Psalm. I think you're right.
It's kind of like that song we hear is, goodness
is running after me. Oh, yes. I love that song.
It's one of my favorites. Yeah. Chasing you down.
Because that's me. I say, Lord, I am so thankful
that your mercies are new each morning because
I wear them out every day. I do. That's just
me. I'm the chiefest of sinners, and Lord, I've
got to have those mercies. Please bring them
this way. So how did you come to the Lord? Well,
like I said, we started going to church when
I was about 11 years old. Is it you and your
mom or just your kids? Mom would take us when
she would sometimes, but my uncle. My mother's
sister's husband, they started a bus ministry
and pick up kids. So they started picking us
up and taking us and fell in love. That's where
I felt safe because home was a nightmare and
church became my sanctuary. I loved it every
time I got a chance to go to the church because
I got out of being honest the hell at home. Wow.
And so when I was about. 12 years old, the pastor's
wife, I was in her Sunday school class. It was
like 10 to 12 -year -olds were in the Sunday
school class, and I remember her. She'd said
it many times, but that day something clicked.
It was the Holy Spirit. And she says, anybody
want to receive the Lord as their Savior? And
I raised my hand and prayed the Lord's Prayer
then, and He just changed my life from that point
on. I began to see things so different. Yeah.
It changes everything. Because I'll be honest
with you. I hated my father because of the way
he was mistreating my mom, basically. I didn't
care about me. I just hated what I saw going
to my mother and to my younger brothers and sisters.
And little by little, God began to change that,
began to give me a love. Now, it took me until
I was a teenager to truly forgive him. Yeah.
I can remember exactly where I was at when I
was able to forgive him. I was in a little church
in South Arkansas. I had to come to Bible school
at Little Rock at the Rock Bible Institute, which
does not exist anymore. It was an extension of
Christ for the Nations. And the Christ for Nations
choir had come up to sing at this church in southern
Arkansas when we went to see them. And I had
already been praying and seeking God to help
me get over this anger and this unforgiveness.
Because when I was 14, I was so sick, I had an
ulcer half the size of my stomach. Oh, my. And
I weighed 90 pounds, and I was tall as I am now.
I grew fast, tall quickly, and didn't grow anymore
after that. They called me Mr. Bones because
I was so skinny you could see my bones through
my shirt. Oh, my. And it was because I couldn't
eat because I was so sick from all the stuff.
And I had been asking the Lord. I started learning
about the true forgiveness when I started going
to Bible school. I didn't understand all the
steps of forgiveness. And I started walking through
those steps as I learned them through the word.
And that night we were in service and it was
just a beautiful singing service. There was no
preaching, wonderful choir. And they just invited
people to come to who needed to pray. And just
something in me welled up and said, this is the
time. So I went to the altar and I just broke.
I cried and wept and cried. And I left it at
the altar. Beautiful. Then I began to love my
dad. And I took care of my dad his last days.
I provided a home for him, took care of him,
and was with him when he passed. Wow. What a
wonderful healing. Yes. Thank you, Jesus. Did
your siblings reconcile with him? Yes, all four
of us did. Well, there's five of us. I have a
half -brother also. Yeah, all five of us were
there except for one of my brothers. He was not
able to get there, but we were all with him when
he passed. Wow. Did your mother get where she
could forgive him? Oh, yes. They became friends.
And when I think I was probably in my mid -20s,
they worked things out and became friends, were
friends the rest of his life. Wow. He was married
eight times. And lived with about that many more.
Oh, my goodness. And in my 20s, I was still hearing
about half -brothers and sisters I did not know
existed. Oh, my. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow, wow, wow.
Yeah. So it was a God thing. I love God's redemption.
Yes, yes. He has such a way of turning all things
together for good to them that love him and that
are called according to his purpose. Amen. Wow.
Amen. When I let go of that, it freed me. It
brought me to another level that I never really
thought I could get there. Yeah. I was still
at that time extremely skinny and sickly. But
then after that, God just began to change me,
change my attitude, change my mindset, change
the way I saw the world. I imagine that ulcer
went away. As a result. Oh, yes, it did. Totally
healed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, unforgiveness
eats you up. Oh, it does. It's like fire shut
up in our bones, as the word tells us. And a
lot of doctors I've talked to said not only causes
ulcers, they said it also causes arthritis, extreme
cases of arthritis because of bitterness and
unforgiveness. Yeah. And also cancer. Oh, yes.
Very much so. Yeah. I'll just bring it in here
that Shirley Smith, Mama Shirley, had that testimony.
And we'll put a link to her testimony of how
she overcame cancer by forgiving. Yes. We'll
put a link in the show notes for that because
it's an incredible, glorious testimony. It is.
It's amazing. But unforgiveness will affect your
health. Yes, it will. And see, Mama Shirley was
in the class that I came to go to Little Rock
Bible School. So I was learning from her also.
The Lord put us side by side in the classroom.
Wow. And she helped me walk through that same
thing. They were, her and James. No, Papa James
was there, but I know she was there that night.
And she is the one that began to help me walk
through that process. She was there that night
that the Lord touched you to forgive. I love
that. Yeah, she was there because she was the
one that was helping me walk through it. Wow.
That's amazing. Yeah, it was. Glory to God. And
as a result of you being in that Bible school,
that's how you met our founder. Yes, exactly.
She came to our Bible school one night and did
a service for us. And I was just two years out
of the Baptist church that I was 18, just graduated
from high school in the spring. And I started
there in the fall of 77. And that's when I met
Shirley for the first time. And I had come in
through the charismatic renewal. Our Baptist
church that I attended, Became charismatic in
one night. Wow. The entire church got the Holy
Ghost in one night. Well, that sort of changes
things, doesn't it? It did. But yet at the same
time, I did not know all. And so when I saw Sister
Gwen and her minister, I was just blown away.
First of all, Mama Shirley. turned my life and
world upside down. I said, this lady has Jesus
coming in her living room. I want that. And then
Sister Gwen comes and she ministers and she says,
okay, I want to pray for every one of the students.
So she lined us up, you know, side by side along
the line. And I was near the end on this end
and she was coming down and I had never been
prophesied over before like that. I was a Baptist,
little Baptist boy, you know, and I had heard
about prophecy, but I never experienced it. Yeah.
And this was new to me. And so I'm watching her
come down the line and I'm thinking, you know,
this is going to be different. And it was. She
scared me. She scared a lot of people. He scared
me, too. He ran from her. That's another story.
We won't go there. She came to me and she went
to pray for me and put her hands forward and
she jumped back and went, oh. And I went. what
have I done wrong? Is she seeing something? I
thought I had done something wrong. And she didn't
lean towards, oh, she said, I have never seen
this before. And I'm thinking, what? As a little
Baptist boy, I'm scared to death. I'm shaking,
just about shaking, you know. She said, I see
you being knitted together in your mother's womb
for the end times, and you're going to carry
the spirit of Elijah to the world. And should
I see the globe turning three times? So your
ministry will circle the world three times in
the end times. So don't be worried. Your greatest
ministry is not till the end. Wow. I was just
shattered in a good way. Yeah, sure. You know,
I'm thinking, okay, I'm 18 in times. How long
is that going to be? Well, I'm 66. Right. Wow.
Wow. Well, when Sharon was 18, when you had your
encounter with the Holy Spirit. Yeah, under Sister
Gwen. You know, I heard the Holy Spirit say,
I want you. I want you 100%, and I want you right
now. And as time went on, you know, within a
few weeks, I was thinking, well, I've already
got a scholarship at the music school at Western
Michigan University. I'll just go for a year.
And then I came to the first world convention
in Dogpatch. That was my first one too, dog patch.
Well, yeah, this was 76. Mine was in 78. Yeah.
So nobody prophesied over me. I don't even remember
a moment when it happened, but it was like I
suddenly, gradually, I don't think it was sudden.
I think I gradually came to the realization that
if I went to college, I would never serve God.
Oh, wow. So, you know, my thought was I'll go
for one year and then I'll serve God. Nope. But
then it was when Sister Gwen was speaking. Oh,
yeah. That you heard the word. Yeah, I heard
the Lord say you'll take her place when she's
gone. Oh, wow. And that was 35 years later. Yeah,
it was 37 years later when it came to pass. 37
years later. So though the vision, Terry, wait
for it. Yeah. I know what you mean because I've
spoken all over the world and ministered all
over the world. I've come close to almost soaring
the globe. I said, well, Lord, I've been around
almost one time. There's two more to come. I'm
hanging on to that. Last night when I was praying,
I said, Lord, remember Sister Gwen's prophecy?
I said, I'm hanging on to that. I'm not letting
it go. I want that fulfilled in my life. I want
everything written in my book in heaven. I want
to complete it before you call me home or the
rapture takes place, whatever. Yes, absolutely.
Now, you had a similar situation. with what I
just described for myself about having to make
a choice of, you know, are you going to go on
to college? Are you going to go on to what the
world has to offer? Are you going to serve God?
So tell us that story. Well, when I was 22 years
old, I got involved in a college scholarship
program because I was wanting, you know, college
students need money. And I was a socio, I would
call, senior. So I got involved in this program
where men and young girls, it was called the
International Cinderella Girl and Prince Charming
Talent Competition. And they gave out college
scholarships. It was for college students. And
by the miracle of God, I won the Southeastern
Prince Charming Competition, which allowed me
to go to the international competition where
they gave away. larger sums of money and also
a new car. And I'm thinking, Oh, I'd love to
have a new car as a 22 year old. Yeah. And the
Lord was gracious and merciful. And I came in
second, didn't win, but came in second. And that
gets you a college scholarship. Yeah. Yeah. I
got some money for that. And was also the people,
some of the people were there were big producers
in, this was in California and Caesar's palace
and Lake Tahoe's where we were doing the performance
and the show. And it was. televised worldwide
and some of the people working with us and the
judges two of the judges was one was barbie benton
i don't know if you remember her or not she was
academy award actress and she was also had a
hit number one single and and unfortunately she
was also playmate of the year Oh, dear. Yeah,
yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, those accolades seem
to go together, don't they? Exactly. And also,
then another gentleman was some big soap opera
star on these soap opera shows. I recognized
him, but didn't know who he was. And then another
one was a producer who also produced songs and
had a studio in California, and he wrote Blue
Suede Shoes and other things like that for Elvis
and stuff. And another one was John Wayne's…
Manager. and he also had a school for actors.
And so I did my thing there and sang and everything.
And also one of the people was Dr. Joyce Brothers.
She was my dance partner on the show. Oh, my
goodness. Got the dance with Dr. Joyce Brothers.
I got offered contracts to record from the man
who did the recording. I got offered a contract
to go with John Wayne's guy. Moved permanently
to California, and they said that I had the ability
to become a star, is what you want to call it.
And I went home, back home to Georgia, and started
praying and talking with my pastor friends who
were my mentors and my family. And I just felt,
no, that's not what God wants. I'm supposed to
do ministry. And so I just, you know, did what
God's following into the ministry. Wow. That
is so tremendous. Yeah. We make lots of choices
in life. Yes. And, you know, sometimes you get
that big carrot. Oh, my. Sometimes you get that
big opportunity. Yes. You know, I had it in my
head personally that, you know, I would go to
music school and. You know, vocal was my main
thing, but I was also a bassoonist, believe it
or not. But not a good one. But my thought was,
well, I'll go to school to become a music teacher,
unless somebody discovers me. Well, actually,
when she would sing something from the... The
sounds of music or the Karen Carpenter to hear
Sharon sing something of Karen Carpenter's song.
You'd have a hard time telling it wasn't Karen
Carpenter. So she modeled her voice after. But
I started out listening to Julie Andrews on sound
music. Oh, yes. So I learned all of those songs.
And I'd stand out in the backyard on the stump
and sing, you know, all that stuff. I never knew
that. That's amazing. We're going to be married
44 years in a couple weeks here, and you never
told me that. The first song I did was To God
Be the Glory. Oh, really? That's what I sang
in front of the audience. And the second song
I did was from... It's no business like show
business. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because, you know,
I wanted to let them know that I was a Christian.
Yeah. But then you had to do something that was
a little, you know, it was an old Broadway musical.
Sure. You know. Yeah. Yeah. And I love the old
Broadway musicals. Yeah. You know, you and I
were talking before we started this about how
we both love musicals. Oh, yes. We were both
into musicals, right? Yes. But I think there
is something about maybe God wants some kind
of, Christian musicals again. Oh, I do too. Very
much so. It's been in my heart. Matter of fact,
when I went to teach at the Christian high school
that I was at, we started doing musicals and
theater and I became not only teaching high school
science, but also became the drama teacher. Wow.
Yeah. And when we go to drama competitions, my
team was known for bringing Christian drama.
Wow. And that's what we always focused on was
to get the message of Jesus Christ out through
singing or through drama. Yeah. Yeah. You know,
we don't get into going to movies and things
like that. Do they even do musicals anymore?
I have no idea. There's been a few. There's been
a few. I think it was called, I just went blank
on the name of it. It was a big hit, and it was
about Barnum Bailey, how he started in New York
City. It was a big music. It was a huge smash.
Wow. And the vocals in there are incredible.
Wow. Yeah. Well, there's just something about
song that conveys a message that goes beyond
just speaking. Oh, yes, yes. And we have to understand,
from what research I've done in history, is that
it's limited. It's not depth. But the musical
died out and then came back during the Renaissance
through the church. The church used it to tell
the gospel of Jesus Christ in musical form because
the people did not read. Or if they did, they
were only educated or of the religious persuasion.
So they started doing musicals in the church
and plays in the church that draw the people.
And that's where it came back during the Renaissance
was in the church. It died out and then the church
brought it back. Wow. Well, you know, you have
Handel writing all of those oratorios. Yeah,
Handel's Messiah just sends chills up my spine
every time. Yeah, that was so anointing. A lot
of times I just start crying. Yeah, that was
part of my growing up, you know, because my mother
and brother were professional violinists. And
so they would, they perform it every year. Like
on Friday night, they'd have the professional
soloists and on Sunday afternoon, the student
soloists. And so they were in the orchestra because
it was a combination of professional and students.
So I got dragged to that every year, you know,
but it gets in you. It does. And then to get
to sing parts of it too. I've loved that. My
younger brother, it got into him also. I tell
him all the time, I said, I love you, brother,
but sometimes you just make me so mad because
he's so talented musically. When he was like
12 years old, he walked past the piano and hit
a few keys. Oh, that sounds pretty. Within a
year, he's playing anything you can think of.
Just had just about five months of lessons and
can play a piano like nobody's business and sing
unbelievably. And then he was in musical theater
in high school. And they said, we've got to have
somebody to tap dance. He said, oh, I'll do it.
The leader said, do you tap dance? No, but I'll
learn. And he did. Yeah. He learned it within
just a few weeks in tap dance. Wow. You know,
creatives, creative people are just often able
to pick up something that they've never done
before. He's highly intelligent also. When they
tested him in high school, he always tested at
think tank level. Oh, my. So he has the brain
and also the talent. I said, you just make me
sick. No, but you've got your own set of gifts.
And I want to just say this, that I admire, and
I don't know you well, but I admire knowing your
prayer life. Yes. So tell us a little bit about
how you came into a prayer life. I'm going to
be honest with you. Shirley Smith birthed me
into my prayer life. It was not until I moved
in with Shirley and James. I had an apartment
living while I was going to college at the Bible
school there in 77 and 78. and it was getting
tight financially, and I started hanging out
with James and Shirley, and they'd invite me
over a lot and then spending time with them.
And their daughter, Jamie, and I become fast,
close friends. She's a year younger than I am,
two years, almost two years. And we just became
fast friends. They said, listen, there's no use
in paying that rent. Just come on and start living
with us. They had a huge house. And said, we
got an extra bedroom. Nobody uses it. And when
I started, I started seeing her prayer life.
And then, of course, she said, come on, come
on. And she'd take me into the living room and
me, and we spent hours in prayer and seeking
God and fasting. And I did not know that level
of prayer existed. And then as I got there, I
became so hungry for it. It's like, I got to
have more. And we would spend hours in prayer
and worship. It was the glory of God would show
up in the presence of God, and you would just
feel like your body was just being renewed during
that times of prayer and intercession. Shirley
and I, until she passed away recently, we talked
about that, still talk about the 70s and the
80s when God had us together. In James and the
times that we spent in prayer and intercession.
And any time Mama was getting ready to go on
a trip, I would a lot of times call her up. Hey,
Mama, surely you're getting ready to go on a
trip somewhere, aren't you? She said, yeah, how
did you know? I said, in prayer. And the Lord
said, watch out for this, watch out for this,
and look out for this. And she called me back.
I have to go, exactly what you said is exactly
what happened. And I had no idea. It's just the
Holy Spirit. Right. When you get into that place
of prayer, you get word of knowledge and you
get visions and you get prophecies. Yes, you
do. It's part of that life. As a pastor and as
a minister, God called me first as a servant
and second as a teacher. And I believe with all
my heart is that being taught by Shirley to be
an intercessor was the key. to all my ministry.
It was that intercession because I'm a firm believer
that not everybody's a prophet. Right. You know,
but people that are prophets are workers who
flow in prophecy. Like I tell people, I'm a minister.
I flow in prophecy. I'm not a prophet. But if
you're going to flow in prophecy or be a prophet,
you had better be an intercessor. If you're not
an intercessor, I'm sorry. You're not a prophet.
Wow. That's my personal opinion. As my grandfather
used to say, that's like noses. Everybody has
one. So, you know, I credit the intercessory
prayer that was taught to me by Mama Shirley
as what? It changed my life. Sister Gwen, watching
her pray over people and the heart that poured
out of her. Oh, my goodness. And to see how she
moved with the Spirit of God. And same thing
with Mama Shirley. It's like, Lord, I want that.
I want what they have. And I'm so thankful that
God gave me spiritual mothers that didn't look
at where I came from. That taught me where I
needed to go. And I say this often, that spiritual
mothers know better what a son needs more than
the son himself needs. Yeah, that's true. Now,
one of the things that happened was that Shirley
and James took you to Mexico. Yes. Tell us that
story. I had went through a tragedy in my life
in my mid -20s. And I called James, and James
said, son, come home. So I came home. back to
Little Rock, North Little Rock, and began the
healing process with them again, prayer, fasting,
seeking God. And as I began to, God began to
heal me and bring me back to where I needed to
be. And I was there about two years this time.
And then a friend of ours who was a missionary
in Mexico in a place called the Rincon de Romas
Aguas Calientes, Paulina Shinners. Shirley and
her had been friends for many years. And she
said, we're going to Mexico with Paulina. I said,
oh, that's wonderful. I've never been to Mexico.
I've never been on a missions trip. She said,
but you're going to stay. And I look at Mama.
I said, what? I'm what? I said, yes, you need
to go and you need to stay with Paulina for a
while. I said, okay, Mama. I trusted her. Yeah.
You know, I trusted her. Yeah. She had a proven
track record. Oh, yes, very much so. Her and
James both. If something was going on in my life,
James, he would know it. He would call, and he'd
know what was going on. He was not active like
Shirley was, but he was in tune with the Spirit.
Glory to God. And I said, okay, Mama. And I fell
in love with Sister Paulina. Oh, we had the best
time. The first time I ever saw Jesus, literally,
he came into the house where we were at, in Paulina's
house. I got down there, and I traveled around
with them, helping them do the ministry, spoke
a little bit, and then came time. They were there
for about a month, or maybe a little less than
a month. It came time for them to go back home,
and I was staying there with Paulina. So I got
in my room, and I got my Bible, my little notepad,
which I still do notepads. I'm old school. I
got one sitting right here. And I began to, because
I want to write down what God's saying to me.
Yeah. I said, okay, Lord, I'm here. I'm ready
to go. I'm ready to preach. You know, and he
said, sit down, shut up and listen. You're not
going to do anything until I put what I need
to put into you. Wow. I said, yes, sir. So I
told Pauline what the Lord had said. And I said,
and the Lord, I'm supposed to start a fast. She
said, I will fast with you. Wow. So we started
a fast. And on the third day, I'm in my room.
And Paulina is in the living room, which I can
see through the door to the living room. And
a young lady that she had sent to Bible school,
training to become a pastor, she was there also.
She didn't live far away. And she was there also
in the living room. And they were talking. And
I was just seeking the Lord and praying and asking
God, you know what? The presence of God began
to change in the room. And the next thing I know,
I am laying on the floor. And where I'm laying,
I can see out the door of my room into the living
room. And I happened to notice Pauline is on
the floor, and so was the young lady. We're all
three on the floor, and we're all three focused
to the center of the living room. And I look
up, and the ceiling of the living room opens
up. And glory clouds start coming down. Wow.
And then the feet and the robe. Oh, my. And I
felt like I was melting into the floor. Wow.
My DNA felt like it was coming apart. Wow. And
I said, Jesus, I knew it was Jesus. I said, Jesus,
I can't breathe. I said, Lord, I almost couldn't
handle it. The glory. Never saw his face because
the glory was so bright. Saw his body and his
robe and the glory in his hands, but never saw
the face because I could not raise my head up
enough to see once this started taking place.
literally felt like melting into the floor. One
time I said, Lord, you got to stop. You're killing
me. I'm going to die. It was so strong. And the
Lord began to tell me and speak to me and said,
son, I've called you for the end times. You're
going to be a son of God. And I thought to myself,
I know this is kind of off track, but I thought
to myself right then, I know this is, I'm human.
I'm sorry. Back then there was a thing going
around called the sons of God, and they'd gotten
into a lot of false teachings. And I said, Lord,
that's false teaching. And he said, no. And he
said, talk to Paulina. And I said, okay. And
little by little, the glory began to change me,
and I began to, and just little by little, he
lifted and went back up and was gone. It was
probably an hour later before I was able to get
off the floor. And I was so weak. And I finally
was able to get to the living room. And Pauline
and the young lady are now sitting in their chairs.
They're the same way. They're just wiped out.
And I asked, I said, did you? They said, yep.
And they described exactly what I had seen. They
had seen also. And we had not communicated to
each other until an hour later. Wow. And then
I asked Pauline, I said, Pauline, what does this
mean, the sons of God? And she took and taught
me for the next several days what it really meant
to be a son of God and the revelation of the
sons of God. Wow. And that turned my world upside
down and put me on the path that I'm still on
today. Wow. Yeah. Since I was about 25 then.
I'm 66. Wow. A 40 -year journey. And he's just
as powerful now as he was then. Yeah. Glory to
God. Oh, praise God. So for years you have taught
school. You've pastored. Yes. I was a youth pastor
for many years. Matter of fact, they used to
call me the oldest continuing youth pastor in
captivity. That's hilarious. And the Lord gracious
was to allow me to be a youth pastor. They're
my heart. Youth are my heart. Then the Lord moved
me in to become a senior pastor. And the church
I went to was a small church, so I had to get
a job. So I have a degree in Christian education
and a minor in science. So I became a science
teacher at the local private Christian school,
which was a very large school. It was one of
the largest in the States we had at the time,
about 800 students. And so I became the middle
school science teacher. Then the Lord moved me
up to become the high school science teacher,
which I love because I'm with kids. I preach
to the adults on Sunday and Wednesday night and
I hang out with the kids Monday through Friday.
That's awesome. So I said, how do you do it?
I said, just bounce right along with them. And
I looked at that and I was talking to a friend
of mine. He says, Ken, you're in the modern day
youth. pastor now because the school he said
is is a right ground for you so i was able to
praise god able to lead many young people to
the lord and then they the school asked me to
not only teach science but also to teach the
10th graders theology so every for years on after
that i taught the 10th graders theology from
we started from the very beginning book of the
bible to the end of the bible Wow. So the Lord
was just so gracious to me to allow me to do
that. That's tremendous. And I miss the kids
tremendously. I do. And the Lord then, after
I was there at that school for 17 years while
I was ministering, pastoring and stuff. And then
the Lord said, okay, time's coming to an end.
And the Lord moved me on from that. And then
I was still pastoring, had a really severe audible
accident, me and my family. And I was the only
one injured, praise the Lord for that. But it's
a miracle I survived. A lady pulled out in front
of us, and I T -boned her. And my airbag did
not deploy. And I hit the door frame, the metal
door frame between the door and the windshield.
my head and neck and almost broke my neck and
messed my back up. Knee went through the end
of the dash. And I've had two major back surgeries,
two neck surgeries, a knee surgery, and bone
from both hips to rebuild my neck and back with,
and metal plates and screws and rods. And they
said I would never walk again. They're wrong.
I walk. Glory to God. But what did you say to
the doctor? I said to the doctor, I said, but
Jesus. That's some exact words to him, but Jesus.
I walk because of Jesus. Yeah. And they said,
well, because there's places in my spine that
are still, they can't do surgery on because of
where they're located. And so I still have ruptured
discs that are cutting nerves in two. And they
said, well, eventually you'll be in a wheelchair.
I said, no. When I go in to see another, they
said, we're going to see this specialist. And
I walk in and they look at my records. They said,
you just walked through that door. I said, mm
-hmm. They said, that's impossible. Not with
Jesus, it's not. They said, and you're working?
No, that's not possible. There's no way you can
work. And then they had, that was the first surgery.
The second surgery they had on my back. He told
me that, he said, it'll take you five years to
get over it. Wow. And it did. He was right. I
was housebound for five years. Of the last seven
years, five of those. In my home, I had to give
up pastoring, leave my church and the ministry
because I was not able to walk except for one
hour a day. They would only let me sit up for
an hour a day. And they said, because in the
past, the surgery I had, you would usually be
in a body cast for a year. And I said, thank
God for the new technology. Thank God for that.
And the first thing that I told you earlier that
I did when they released me was I said, Mama
Shirley, we're going to convention. Wow. And
that's where I came. I came back. Because the
last time I was here in the Valley was in the
80s. Yeah. Wow. So I said, and the last convention
I physically attended was in Atlanta. Yeah. And
the accident happened after that. Wow. But I
watched it on YouTube. When y 'all started doing
YouTube live streaming, I started watching it
there through the TV. Oh, wow. But this was my
first time back. I said, I'm going to convention.
I said, I'm sorry. I said that, you know, I got
to get back into what I know, you know, because
it was a tough five years. But at the same time,
God poured so much into me. That was my next
question. So what what was the outcome spiritually
while you're. You cloistered with God for four
or five years. I devoured books that God would
put in my pathway. I think I read every—I haven't
finished reading them all, but I'm close. Rick
Joyner's books. I just went blank on the name
one. The Final Quest? Yes, The Final Quest. I
have read that thing several times. Yeah, we've
read that two or three times. It's one of my
favorite books in all the world. And God just
started pouring into me and started— teaching
me right because for so long i had poured out
exactly i had and at one time it was almost like
i felt like well i reckon god had to sit me down
so he could you know get me where i needed to
be yes because he has an assignment for you to
go around the world three times in the end times
exactly and i said well lord and you know i like
mexico you set me down told me to shut up so
i could listen again And the Lord really began
to share things with me and show me things that,
honestly, I've not shared with people because,
you know, I thought people would not receive
it. But then when I came to convention, lo and
behold, what's being taught is exactly what the
Lord had been telling me for five years. Glory
to God. And I'm thinking, oh, I'm on target.
Exactly. Yeah, I'm on target. And I started writing
a book on frequency and sound from heaven, the
frequencies and sounds of heaven. I spoke to
one of the men who was speaking, Etienne Bloom,
Blom Bloom. And at the last service, I got the
nerve and the courage to go talk to him. And
I just asked him about sound and frequency. He
says, well, Ken, tell me what you have. And I
told him the research and where God was leading
me. He said, I have everything you have, but
God will not let me write that book. Please write
that book, and I want a copy. And so I went to
go finish my book. And Satan has fought it. I
have not been able to finish it in two years
because I had it on a laptop that was, I'm not
going to say the name. Yeah. Very expensive though.
Let's put it that way. Very expensive laptop.
A month after its warranty ran out, it went black.
Wow. I was opening it to work on it. It went
black. And I had not made a hard copy. Ouch.
Yeah. That was my fault. Or a backup. That was
my fault. So it's been stuck. I took it to the
experts. They're experts. And they couldn't even
get it to open and get the stuff out. It took
them for months and months and months for this
able to finally get it onto a flash drive. Wow.
And the flash drive is written in that certain
company's processing and other computers won't
read it. So now I found someone who has that
computer, so I'm going to take it to them and
have it transposed into another style so that
other computers will read it so I can finish
it. Wow. Yeah. Wow, wow, wow. The devil doesn't
want that book out. No, he has slaughtered tooth
and nail. Wow. He has, but you know, that's where
God had me. He had me for five years pouring
into me. Yes. And I'll be honest with you, I
was never that type of person who listened to
people on TV to preach or teach. God wouldn't
let me. The whole time I was pastoring and ministering,
every once in a while he would let me listen
to a certain individual. But he would not let
me. He says, no, I want to give this to you.
I don't want you to learn this from someone.
So God would give me things and I'd go preach
it. Oh, you heard that from Brother So and said,
who? Oh, you don't know him? No, I've never heard
of him. Oh, he preached that. I said. I didn't
get it from him. This is what the Lord gave me.
That's how you know it's the Lord. Exactly. Because
he's given it to somebody else too. Exactly right.
And that's where God had me for five years. He
had me pouring into me, teaching me. The teacher
needed to be taught again. Yeah. It's called
continuing education. That's exactly right. And
who better than the Holy Spirit? Exactly. He's
the teacher. Yeah, he's the teacher. Wow. So
you came to our convention this year. Yes. And
you had an experience. Tell us about that. It
was on the 22nd of May of this year. And the
group called Three O 'Clock. Yeah, Three O 'Clock
Session. Yeah, I loved them. I loved all the
worship because I'm the type of person who likes
many different styles of worship. We sure have
them. I do. I love many different styles of worship.
And they were leading the worship. And during
the worship, I had an open vision. Yeah. I was
sitting in the back on the left in my station
where I was stationed to help serve and do whatever
you need to be done. And I look up and the heavens
open and the ceiling opens and this gigantic
marble staircase comes out of the heavens over
the singers and the bottom of it lands in the
altar. Wow. And I've seen staircases and ladders
from heaven before. And, of course, I knew what
was coming next, the angels. Sure. And here come
the worshiper angels. They came in and started
worshiping with us. And then came in the warfare
angels. Wow. Came in. And the Lord says, no,
don't pay attention to them. Pay attention to
the details of the staircase. He's never told
me that before. Wow. So I started looking. I
said, oh. It's marble. He said, yes, it's marble.
And he said, as a science teacher, you know how
marble is formed. I said, yes, under great intense
pressure and heat. And it starts out as one type
of rock. And then under that intense heat and
pressure, it becomes marble. And also he said,
you know, the impurities that are in that first
stone is what gives the marble its design and
its color and its patterns and makes it beautiful.
So he takes our impurities. Oh, that preaches,
doesn't it? Yeah. He said, I take these impurities,
your failures, your faults, and I take it and
put it under pressure and intense heat and fire
and change you and make you into marble, into
a new rock. And he said, when my people sacrifice
with praise and obedience. through that fire
and that pressure, and they live in obedience
to me and sacrifice for me, they become the stairway
for the angels, for the heavenly host to descend
on. Wow. It says you actually become the steps,
the stairway, because you have paid the price
for the heavens to be open there and for them
to come in to worship with you. You are the marble.
You are the staircase. Wow. And it just blew
me away. My mouth hanging open. And then, of
course, the Lord told me, 1 Peter 2, about living
stones. We are living stones. We're becoming
living stones. And I wrote it down. As soon as
it was finished, my notebook was right there,
as usual. Went to writing as fast as I could.
And I got through, and the next day, Matthew
comes by. Matthew was just here. Matthew Reams.
Yeah, he comes by. I said, Matthew, read this.
He looked at me and said, dude, you know how
he is. He said, did that staircase look like
the staircase from Gone with the Wind, the big
winding? I said, yes, you described it to a T.
He said, I saw it not before that. Wow. So there
was my first confirmation. Glory to God. So I
got it, and I said, well, take this, take a copy.
And I gave him a copy to give to you, but it
was so busy, I'm sure he just forgot to give
it to you. Or he might have given it to me, and
it got lost in the papers. Exactly. That's why
I didn't want to disturb you, because I knew
you were so busy, so busy. And the Lord said,
this is the new teaching I want you to start
working on. Wow. Through sacrifice. And through
praise and being obedient that we open the heavens
so that the host of heavens can come down and
minister with us and among us. Amen. Amen. And
to get to that point before you become a stairway,
you go through some pressure and some heat. Oh,
yes. It's only through that pressure. It's only
through being obedient and walking through the
sacrifice, paying the price that we become, we
change from the original stone and become the
living stone. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
Wow. That's tremendous. That's awesome. Oh, that's
a Selah moment, isn't it? Isn't it? Well, Pastor
Ken, would you please pray for our listeners
and just as the Lord leads you? Amen. Dear Heavenly
Father, I come to you in the mighty name of Jesus
our Christ. I want to praise you, first of all,
for your love, Lord. You love us so much, God,
that you sent your precious Son for us. And God,
not only for us that are here, but for everyone
that is listening, you poured out yourself that
they may be saved, healed, delivered, oh God.
Whatever they are walking through right now,
their children are walking through, your precious
souls, God. We stand upon the word of God and
believe that you're going to work a miracle in
their lives. We stand upon the word of God for
those that are sick, that by the stripes of Jesus,
they are healed. We stand upon the word of God
that says you sent your word to heal us of all
our diseases. You said in your word that you
rose with healing in your wings for us, oh God.
And we release that healing word right now. and
let it go through the airwaves, Lord, and it
will not return void, but it will accomplish
healing and miracles will take place. Yes. Right
now. And Father, we release salvation. Yes. Father,
you said no man comes unto the Father save the
Holy Spirit draw them. Oh, Holy Spirit, draw
them. Yes. Draw them, Lord. Give them dreams,
visions, visitations, God. Send people by to
minister to them. One to plant, one to tend,
one to water, one to reap the harvest. Yes, Lord.
Lord, I just thank you. And I praise you for
your mercies. And Father, for those right now
who's walking through a dark spot. Yes. Pour
in your mercy. Pour in your peace. I release
the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Prince
of Peace, through these airways. Habashi. Move,
Lord. Move, Lord. Let peace fill each person
who is listening. Go into that room. Go into
that car. Go into the hospital room. Holy Spirit,
Prince of Peace, come in and overshadow them.
Yes, Lord. And fill them with your peace, Lord.
Yes, Lord. With your salvation, Lord. Thank you.
And we thank you, God, for the miracles that
are going to take place. Yes, Lord. Yes. I thank
you for the deliverances that are going to take
place, Lord. Those that are bound up in darkness,
oh God, you're going to set them free with your
marvelous light of salvation. Yes, Lord. Lord,
I just bind those chains of darkness and break
them off of them in the name of Jesus. Yes. Every
chain shall break and fall off. Yes. Every stronghold
must fall. Thank you, Father. Thank you, God.
Lord, right now, I lift up the Native Americans.
Lord, they just come to my heart right now. Yes,
Lord. God, I ask you that your Holy Spirit would
let a fire of revival burn through the Native
Americans. Lord, every tribe will begin to burn
and begin to seek after you, Lord. Yes, Lord.
Let miracles flow among them, God. Let salvation
pour out among them. And we bind up that spirit
of alcoholism among them. And we bind up that
spirit of poverty among them. Amen. And we release
the power of the living God in among their churches,
Lord. Yes, Lord. Oh, God, that they'll no longer
be cold, but they will become red hot with the
glory and fire of God. Yes, Lord. Thank you,
Jesus. And God, my heart goes now to China, Lord.
They are suffering with so many floods and disaster,
Lord. Touch your people there, Lord. Be merciful
unto them, Lord. Yes, Father. Let salvation reign
through them, Lord Jesus. As the rains come in
the natural, let it come in the supernatural.
Let the Spirit of God pour out upon China. Yes,
Father. And move upon them right now in the mighty
name of Jesus. Yes, Father. Thank you, Father.
Father, we thank you. And, Father, I just ask
you that your Holy Spirit will fill this valley.
Yes, Father. Ingle -tall, Lord. The Valley of
the Angels. Thank you. Father, I thank you for
the angels that came to visit me the other night
here in the valley. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you,
God, for their ministry. They touched me when
I needed you the most. Thank you, Father. And
I ask you to send your ministry angels now to
each one that's crying out, that's hungry and
thirsting for Jesus. Yes, Lord. And for those
who do not know what they need. They're just
crying out for mercy, for deliverance, for something
to grab hold of, for hope. Yes. And you are the
hope that passes all understanding, God. Yes.
Thank you, Father. And just pour into them, Lord.
Yes. And bring salvation to them. And bring healing
and deliverance. And Father, shake your people.
Yes. It's time to wake up, people. Yes. It's
time to wake up. Look into the harvest, for it
is white. Amen. Labors come forth. Yes. Stand
up. We call them from the north, south, east,
and west to come. Yes. To come into the field.
Yes. And to labor, to reap the harvest. Yes,
Lord. For that pastor, that minister that has
been wounded, that's been hurt, God, bring healing
to their souls. Yes, Lord. Bring healing to their
spirit and raise them up with a new fire, with
a new boldness, with a new fresh word of God
and revelation. And I thank you for that, Lord.
I praise you for it. Yes, Lord. And Lord, I ask
you to touch my brothers and sisters here at
Global Outpouring. Thank you, Father. Home away
from home is the way I see about it. Yes, amen.
Bless my home, Lord. Thank you, Jesus. Bless
them when they come in and when they go out.
Thank you, Father. Whatever they put their hands
to, let it prosper. Yes, Lord. And we call in
the people that's needed to minister. And those
who have come, we call the eagles to come and
to minister here. Yes. And we call them in now
in the name of Jesus. It's time. Come. Come.
to minister and we call in the new christians
to come to be trained so they too can become
eagles and go out yes send them out lord thank
you and we praise you for it and ask you to touch
every young person that was here and every worker
that was here at this retreat lord yes that you
will change their lives forever yes let it be
an eternal change lord yes and we thank you god
that we had a chance to step out of time and
step into eternity. Let us live in eternity.
In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Your review helps
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