I said, Lord, why are you showing me this? He
said, because I've called you to be a forerunner.
And you're going to teach my people how to walk
in this by faith because the hour is coming when
this is going to be necessary for my people to
embrace. Because there's going to be wars. There's
going to be famine. There's going to be pestilence.
There's going to be natural disasters. Everything's
going to shut down, but my word will not be stopped.
God promises in Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit
on all humanity. Welcome to global outpouring.
We contend for that promised outpouring. We equip
for that outpouring so that we may engage in
that very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm
Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. We
have with us Bruce and Reshma Allen, who are
coming here the first week of September for their
School of Supernatural Translation by Faith.
This is an amazing school. We've had them here
three times before, and every single time it
is life -changing. And we're going to talk with
them about the subject that they're going to
be teaching when they come here that started
with this question, can a man be translated by
faith? Thank you so much for joining us today.
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It's going to be glorious. Well, Bruce and Reshma,
it is such a delight to have you back with us
again. It's been a really long time, and we're
excited that you're with us on this podcast.
Welcome. Thank you. It's great being back together
with you guys. We've missed you. Yes, thank you.
Yes, we've missed you too. And we're looking
forward to your coming for the School of the
Supernatural Translation by Faith, September
1st through 6th, 2025, right here at our headquarters.
I know that you are going around the world doing
these schools, and it's just our delight to be
able to host this one again. Well, we always
have a great time there, and it's nice having
everybody in the same place. The same time. There's
always something special. There's that deposit
from ministry there from years and years that
makes it a thin place. Ah, that's right. That's
right. You know, I've been here, I think, about
48 years. And you're absolutely right about the
deposit that's been put here. Oh, my. Oh, my.
Such amazing people. You couldn't put a price
tag on it. Oh, no. No, no. It's eternal. We've
been pressing in for the eternal, for the glory
of God for decades. And it's just wonderful to
be able to find people of like precious faith
that are teaching things that are so important
for moving forward in the days that we're in
and going into. So for the sake of those who
are listening that have not met you before or
heard about you before, Can you give us a little
bit of background about how you got to this place
where you're doing what you're doing? By accident?
No. I don't think so. You know, the Lord, the
steps of a righteous man are ordered of the Lord.
So it's not any predisposition or planning on
my part. It's the sovereign God in his mercy
that's led us step by step into line upon line,
precept upon precept revelation. I know when
I got saved, I used to read some of the old timers
that talked about, you know, they had to pray
through to salvation. And at first I didn't understand
that. But then I remembered for the first year
or two of my walk with God, I was so uncertain
because I wasn't taught correctly. I had no formal
background at all. And so the moment you make
a mistake, oh, no, I got to get saved again.
And I didn't have that. You know, it was a struggle
just coming to the assurance part. And then it
seems like everything in my walk with God was
in that vein of I had to stand in faith and press
through to the assurance and the reality of the
truth. And I thank God for that. I really do,
because not only does it put a perseverance in
there, but it also puts a greater hunger and
desire, a passion for more. And so that's one
of the ways he trained me. I never had all the
flashy experiences. Everybody would have these
amazing testimonies, you know, and I was like,
is there something wrong with me? And I would
even have, you know, some of the well -known
ministries of our day. They would pray. I'd be
in a prayer line and everybody would be dropping
and having, you know, experiences and they'd
pray for me. And it was like, that's it? That
happened. And I couldn't, you know, I really
contended and said, Father, what's the matter
here? And finally, one day he said, son, I want
you to learn to walk by faith, not an experience.
Amen. Once that's established in you, that faith,
then I'll release experiences. Beautiful. And
so because my character is a human being, if
I'd have had an experience, I probably would
have camped there forever and never persevered
on. Yes. And so that's how he did that. Looking
back, you know, you can see when God drops little
nuggets of truth or something that tweaks, you
go, wait a minute. And then you start digging
in that direction. And it led up to, oh, I don't
know, 23 years ago now or more. It's 2025. Yeah,
more than that, 26 years ago. When I woke up
one morning and Holy Spirit was there and he
said, can a man be translated by faith? And that's
where it started for me. I had no. No paradigm
for that at all. Didn't even know what he was
talking about. And so by revelation, the Lord
began to unfold certain mysteries in Scripture
that pertain to this specific generation. And
that's the beginning of all of this super, supernatural
walk. So can you give us an idea of what translation
by faith is? By faith, Hebrews 11 .5. By faith,
Enoch was translated that he should not see death.
And he had this testimony that he pleased God.
So there's one. Yes. I didn't even know about
that. I mean, that wasn't on my radar. So that
also threw in an extra facet of challenge. By
faith, he was translated or changed sides, transferred,
that he would not even see death. And I went,
wait a minute. Isn't it saying the word that's
appointed unto man wants to die? Well, so now
I had to go back and have my understanding. The
theology I thought was absolute truth, revitalized
and renewed by the word of God. There you go.
Not the explanation from a mindset about the
word of God. Exactly. Every one of us receives
revelation and we teach that, but that is never
going to be the full counsel of God. We must
learn that. So we get together just like us right
now. We put into the hat our facets of revelation.
Now we have a greater whole. And throughout your
life, you're going to get people that continue
to add to or have a different facet of revelation
or understanding. Now we're starting to... I
don't want to say flesh out, but we're building
up the totality of the fullness of what God wants
to release. So to me, that's something I had
to learn. We all have to learn. So he always
throws these little things in there and then
says, go back to the scripture, go back to the
scripture. And so that was the first one, Enoch
in Genesis. Enoch walked with God for 300 years
and he was not for God took him. Yes. Well. Okay,
what is that? Well, that's a translation. Physical.
And he didn't see death. Elijah and the chariot
of fire, a translation, and he did not see death.
Yes. Philip, translocation. I use different terminology
because one was physical and spiritual. One is
just physical. Of course, they're spiritual.
Sure. But just in the attempt to try and describe
this. So all throughout scripture, he began to
show me things. And I went, how come? This isn't
on the radar of anybody in the church. Right.
Yeah. Religious spirit will try and nullify the
reality of the kingdom. True. And so that's it.
That's it in a nutshell. And in that mix, you
know, Reshma, the facet she plays, it's foundational.
It's got to be. You have to be able to discern
what's truth from error, what's God's spirit
and any other spirit. So without that, so many
people get led astray. Very true. Very true.
And I so appreciate the fact that everything
that you teach is so carefully founded on the
Word of God. And then Reshma adds that extra
piece of discerning by the Spirit. What is this?
Is this the real thing? Because there's counterfeits
out there, and that's what makes a lot of people
afraid to even look at this subject. Because
they think that this is just astral projection.
Spooky spiritual. Yeah, spooky spiritual. But
this is supposed to be normal Christianity. And
I remember more than 50 years ago when I got
the baptism in the Holy Spirit, I was hearing
about people that were experiencing this thing
of, you know, they're driving down the road and
all of a sudden they have arrived at their...
destination, and not enough time has passed.
They've gotten where they were going without
the time. So somehow they were translated into
the place where they needed to be in God's timing.
And so this is normal as far as I'm concerned.
It never was kind of spooky spiritual out there
to me because I heard about it when I was a teenager.
You know, okay, well. Let's just do that. So
the things that you're teaching are normal Christianity.
You know, I've said it should become the norm
in our life. It's not normal. But the Lord said,
no, this is kingdom life. Yes. Kingdom life.
And we're part of the kingdom and we should be
operating based upon kingdom principles and kingdom
life, not man's intellectual grasp of something
that's spiritual, which is always far short of
truth. Right. So, yeah. And, you know, when we're
young in the Lord that we're, oh, that's cool.
Yeah, I want to do that. Right. But as you hang
around for a while, no, God doesn't do that.
You can't do that. So doubt is something you
learn, just like faith is something you grow
in. Oh, mercy. Wow. God forbid. Yeah. And so
we have to be purveyors of truth. and the potential
or possibility of kingdom life rather than doubt
and the impossibility of kingdom life. Amen.
Amen. Well, there's so many churches that are
teaching that all of these miracles left us with
the apostles when they went home to be with the
Lord, which is totally wrong. There's no evidence
that that's true, except they had to come up
with a reason for why they didn't have the power.
Yeah. Well, sure. Well, that's the truth. But
you know what it is? It's a brilliant strategy
of the enemy to keep believers from their full
inheritance in Christ. Amen. It's very true.
And so why does the devil have to fight the church
when he can have the church fighting the church?
Wow. That's true. Problem solved. Let's move
on to other things. Wow. Yeah. Just stir up trouble
between people. Yep. And that's why the scripture
talks about when we come to the unity of the
faith. Yes. To the fullness of the stature of
the knowledge of God. Right. Well, with all of
these little schisms that are bred by the devil
and people buy into them because they're taught
to believe a lie, then we're not what we're supposed
to be. We're not what we're going to be, but
shortly we will be. Amen. Amen. Yeah. And, you
know, we've had Dean Braxton on this podcast
numerous times and you've known him. for many
years since he had that experience where he went
to heaven. And I just feel like it's God's mandate
for us, really, to grasp what the kingdom is
like. What is the kingdom of heaven like? What
happens there? And let's start. acting it out
here on earth as it is in heaven in the process
of answering the prayer that Jesus taught us
to pray, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on
earth as it is in heaven. I think in this generation,
we have the opportunity to participate in the
answer to that prayer. Oh, very much. The word
says, basically, set your affections on things
above. Yes. So now he's giving us multiple examples
through people who have had these. death experiences
and come back to share so that we have a better
grasp and focus, not only from a testimony standpoint,
but from the scriptural standpoint. So what you
focus on, you empower. So if you want the kingdom
of heaven on earth, first it starts in us. What
are we focusing on? And if we focus on the kingdom
of heaven, now we're going to be, the natural
outflow is releasing it on the earth because
out of the abundance of the heart, it flows forth.
Right? The mouth speaks. And we're in that season.
The numbers of the Hebrew year, they're spelled
out as letters in the Hebrew alphabet. There's
no numbers in Hebrew. So they use letters. And
this decade is the decade that is shown by the
letter Peh, which is a P sound, you know. But
it also means mouth. The word for mouth is also
Peh. Our words in this season, in this time,
are so important that we speak the word of God
instead of speaking our own opinion that may
be stilted and may be out of order. Right. Isn't
that interesting? Just my quirky sense of humor,
pay. What you speak, you were going to pay for.
Oh, yeah. Or you paid for it. That's why you're
speaking. But yeah. Yeah. There's a price to
be paid for every word that comes out of our
mouth. That's very true. Wow. And this new one
coming up, 5786. Yeah. Fascinating. You're going
to enjoy when we have my kid sister, I call her
Patricia Bartell, coming to teach with us. We
started her years ago on the letters and numbers
and the pictographic. And she has, again, like
everything she sets her focus on, she's passed
me by like I'm standing still. She's put together
courses in this now as well as powerful understanding.
You're going to enjoy talking with her, but she
might bring some of that to the table at the
school too. And she's coming to this September
school with us. Yeah, she'll be at the school.
Wonderful. So we'll maybe have to interview her
as well. Oh, wow. Actually, that would be awesome.
And ask her lots of questions. Oh, good. Tremendous.
So Reshma, tell us a little bit more about...
your background and how this came to be that
you're participating in the teaching and particularly
about the importance of discernment. Well, my
background, I was born and raised in Fiji Islands.
So I grew up in the church. My family was radically
saved through a supernatural vision. that my
mom had. And our people are very, what do I call
them, spiritual people or people who always saw.
So I grew up in a family where my grandmother
was a very spiritual person. And Hindus, my background
is Hinduism, they worship over 3 million gods.
300 million. Yes. And my grandmother was this
priestess, I would call her. And she always invited
spirits over herself to minister to people. She
will have words of prophecy. She will read palms
and everything. And when she did this, I watched
it. As a little girl, she will change into this
different person. Totally different. This sweet
little grandma, her demeanor, her look, her body
movements, her voice will change into this different
thing. And then she will start speaking and she
will start kind of prophesying and all these
things. So people came to her. And now I understand
that I could say that she was in witchcraft.
So growing up, I knew that supernatural was very
real because we saw it. We felt it. So when we
became believers, my mom was supernaturally saved
because she had a vision. So for me, it wasn't
difficult to believe that supernatural is real.
So if there is a dark side, there has to be a
side that is full of light. That's what I always
believed, good and evil, right and wrong, good
spirits and bad spirits. So then growing up in
the church, when I first got my Bible, it became
so precious to me because I started reading that.
And I started seeing things in the Bible and
seeing the supernatural things that happen, talking
to God and seeing Him and God visiting us. It
did not take me by surprise. Because I was used
to knowing that supernatural is real. And then
I started seeing things in the Bible and seeing
things in the church and some of the teachings
of the way people were treated. And I started
saying, oh, that's not what the Bible says. That's
not true. So these things I pondered in my heart
over my growing up years in the church. And I
think so from a very young age. It must have
been the grace of God. And it was that he started
showing me things differently. I will have these
dreams and visions that were so vivid about the
last days. And at first, my family thought that
there was something wrong with me because culturally
also, we were not allowed to speak a lot in the
church. And if we had dreams or visions or ever
used a word like God said this to me or I saw
this, you were made fun of. And also because
the way women were looked at. So you were a woman,
God couldn't talk to you. He only speaks to men,
but not to women. So things like that. So a lot
of things was suppressed and I was looked down
on. But I had this relationship with the Lord
and I started seeing right and wrong. So it was
in me. So when I got married and came to the
United States. And I started traveling with my
husband some over 23 years ago now. Going around
the world, we see a lot of things. We see a picture
of the church in a big way. Broader stroke of
the brush. Yeah. And the places we went to, things
that happened, things that happened. And I'm
like, huh, I will have this check in my spirit.
So I will just talk to my husband. And then the
Lord started talking to me all of a sudden, long
time ago, probably now 18, 19 years ago. He started
talking to me about discernment. And I would
stand up and say that God said that we need discernment.
But in the beginning, I... Didn't do a due diligence
of listening to what God was saying or really
studied or looked into it. But I started seeing
a glaring need of discernment in the body of
Christ. So over the years, he started speaking
to me. And then really about, let's say now about
10 years ago, we were going to Philippines. to
do some ministry and we had our bags packed and
we were leaving the house and Bruce turns around
and looks at me and he goes, Reshma, I want you
to get ready. You will be speaking this time.
And I kind of looked at him, just smiled. And
he's like, oh, you are just joking. They want
to hear from you. They don't want to hear from
me. You know, you are speaking. So I did not
give much thought to it. How we husband and wife
sometimes just brush each other off when they
are saying something we are not serious. That's
what I had done. So when we got to Philippines,
the Lord started speaking to me within me. And
it was so strong that he was saying that I was
going to share something, that I was to stand
up and share something about discernment. And
I was just like, Lord, what are you doing? I
think so we all know when God asks us to do something
and we don't want to do it or we feel we are
not equipped or not prepared. And he makes us
very uncomfortable. He made me very uncomfortable
where I had to say yes. And I said, Lord, but
I haven't. I'm sorry that I have not read any
materials of anybody. on discernment i didn't
even look at all the scriptures in the bible
i really didn't study it or make notes so i have
nothing all i have is an empty notebook and a
bible so if you would show me what to say then
i will say it then he started speaking to me
about discernment and he started showing me scriptures
so that's where it all started and i I was able
to put a message together, a teaching together
really quickly. One morning we were waking up
because I was struggling within myself, English
being my second language. Sometimes I really
feel intimidated standing in front of people
and speaking. And then I like to hide behind
my husband though he pushes me. I'm like, I don't
have anything to say. If God says something to
me, I will tell him and say, you tell the people.
This is a word of knowledge. You tell them this
is a word of prophecy. I was the hand puppet.
But that time, God just came upon me so strongly.
He started speaking to me. And then one morning,
as we were waking up, Bruce pulls out this book
from the drawer in the hotel room, and he opens
it, and he gives it to me. And I open it, and
it was like a devotional book. And on that particular
page, it was written about Billy Graham. He was
invited. to speak at this function where there
were going to be white -collar jobs people, people
from higher education, people from CEOs and all
these smart people he considered, I would say,
and he was to speak in front of them. And he
was so nervous. He was just a young guy. He was
just a young man, and he thought he was just
a little preacher. Does he have to say in front
of all these educated people? And the Lord spoke
to him that day and encouraged him. Somebody
called him, I think, and said to him that scripture
where it says that, that I will open your mouth
and I will feel it. And that encouraged him so
much that morning. And he was able to go and
had a great time. And so when Bruce did that
to that page and I said, OK, Lord, I hear you.
I really hear you. And I said, okay, I will just
stand up and you will fill my mouth. So that's
how it all started. The discernment message started
building up. So everything that I share in the
school on discernment directly came from the
Lord. He led me through the Bible. And it's just
been so exciting to be able to share what he
laid out for me and for all of us. So that's
where it started. Beautiful. Beautiful. And now
her book should be published by the time we get
to. Oh, really? Wonderful. Well, yeah, we've
been talking about that for a couple of years,
I think. Yes. Finally, we actually found somebody
from Jasper that's doing it. What? Really? He
might stop by. Yeah. Yeah. Angela. Her name is
Angela. Wonderful. Wonderful. That's great. Yeah.
So, Bruce, when you first got started with this
idea, the Lord. planted in your heart, the question,
can a man be translated by faith? What happened
about a year later after you had been studying
this? We were doing a New Year's conference,
Andre Ashby and myself in a church in Coeur d
'Alene, Idaho. Pastors there had been friends
of mine for quite some time. As a matter of fact,
my dad and pastor's wife, Ruth, her dad used
to minister together way back. Wow. He said,
so what's the Lord been talking to you about
recently? And I started sharing a little bit
about this. And he went, oh, are you going to
speak on that? I said, no, no, no, no, no. I'm
not ready for that. I don't like to throw things
out that I don't have a grasp of, you know. And
the other couple that was in the ministry together,
they partnered together, shared it with them.
And when they got up to introduce the meetings
and that, this other couple said, oh, and Bruce
is going to teach on this. And now I'm like,
well, no, no, no, no, no. And I'm a little bit
annoyed. I'm just being honest. And during worship,
I'm contending with God. And out of nowhere,
I was caught away in the Spirit. Glory to God.
Over Latvia. So that started it. And the truth
is, my focus from where I had studied up to that
point was translation was physical. So I didn't
even equate this being caught away in the Spirit
to a translation experience. But that was, again,
part of the process over the years is the Lord
trained me, and this gave me understanding. And
then what happened after that is I saw a chariot
of fire come in. I mean, bedlam. The pastor and
his wife sat there and were caught away, and
this other couple were caught. I mean, on and
on and on. And the Lord really put his stamp
on this and said, this is what you're called
to. So I was really blown away in one respect,
but a little bit. Not confused, but I say, Lord,
why are you showing me this? He said, because
I've called you to be a forerunner. And you're
going to teach my people how to walk in this
by faith because the hour is coming when this
is going to be necessary for my people to embrace.
Because there's going to be wars. There's going
to be famine. There's going to be pestilence.
There's going to be natural disasters. Everything's
going to shut down, but my word will not be stopped.
Amen. And so that's where it started. Yeah. And
of course, we had even just a small taste of
that in 2020 and 2021 that, you know, people
weren't able to travel. And I think that probably
God's people did some of that already. And there
are lots of people that have experiences where
they think they're dreaming in the night. Exactly.
And they're actually doing it. Yeah, that's true.
That's part of. the process he took us through
it in through the word, but you know, we reason
away reality based upon doctrine. Yeah. And the
Lord taught me through this process. It's better
for you to err on the side of faith than on the
side of doubt. Amen. So if you, you know, chew
on that a little bit, it's okay. We started making
part of our lifestyle, not every night, but as
the spirit moves us mostly. Father, we're available
tonight. Knowing that God can take us in the
Spirit to do this. And why would I have to be
asleep for that? Because you overthink during
the daytime. And you can't turn the noise down
enough to hear the voice of God or be obedient
to the Word of God. But at night, there's a measure
of rest now God can do. Beautiful. And you mentioned
2020, a little taste of it, that reminds me of
when 2020 hit, how many calls and emails we started
getting from people. Because Bruce had been talking
about this, you know, he believes very radically
in the Word of God, all the things that happen
in the Bible. And he said, you know, it's a possibility
to happen in our generation, too, because the
Word of God is profitable for every generation.
And it's the same yesterday, today, forever,
you know. Heaven and earth, the Bible says, will
pass away, but His Word will not. And His Word
is full of supernatural encounters. And we started
getting calls because He's been talking about
these things for over 20, 25 years. And some
places we went to, they just made fun of Him.
And some places, somebody would stand up and
say, You are crazy and things like that. And
all of a sudden, when 2020 happened, we started
getting calls. We started getting emails. And
they said, we are sorry or thank you. And you
have been talking about these things for so many
years. But now we see because he used to say
a long time ago, there's going to be a day that
we won't be able to travel. There will be a day
that we will be locked down. Do you think because
naturally we are locked down and God's work will
stop? No. He will supernaturally take us places.
His word will always go forth. His people will
always be able to do what they've been called
to do. So, yeah, it was an amazing taste in 2020.
It's amazing. Yeah. 2020 was only a, it was the
Lord's grace and mercy saying, pay attention
now. I'm letting you know this is going to come.
even more than it has this time. So that to me
was a starting point for many people to understand
the Word of God and grasp it. Because what's
before us naturally is going to be far more severe
than this man -made problem was. There are natural
things happening, volcanic, you know, the weather,
floods, solar flares that are shutting down electronics
and shutting down flights. we're in this and
it's going to continue to increase and get worse
and worse. So to me, the starting point for most
believers is you better start focusing on the
kingdom and God's solution to these things that
are coming on the earth. So the time is now.
Absolutely. Absolutely. So Reshma, you had an
experience in the night some years ago where
you dreamed something. Can you tell us about
that? Yeah. Quite a few years ago now, I believe
we were in Wisconsin ministering, and it was
a Saturday night. I think it was 2016 when that
happened. It was a Saturday, and we went to bed.
And I had this very vivid dream, very real and
very tangible. All night long, I was going up
and down a beach and warning people to go to
a higher ground. A huge wave was coming. So all
night long, I was helping people. In an Asian
country. And people look like Asian people. Middle
of the night, I got up to go to the bathroom.
I went back and right back into that. So in the
morning when I woke up, we were getting ready
to go to church to speak. And I said to Bruce,
as he was getting ready, I said, I need to turn
the TV on. And he said to me, Reshma, you know
that. We don't turn TVs on in the hotel rooms.
Before a meeting. Before a meeting. We understand
that. But anyway, we hardly ever do it. And he
said, I don't want any kind of influence. I don't
want to see anything. We're preparing to go to
church. And I said, no, no, you don't understand.
I'm not turning it on because I want to watch
TV. I said, there is something that has happened
in the world, and I need to see it. And we turned
the TV on and tsunami in Japan had just happened.
That big tsunami that we all remember was so
devastating. I was just like hit with this realization.
Oh my gosh, was I there all night long helping
people? It was so real. It was so real. So that
really shook me because I have had dreams like
that before all through my life. I believe the
majority of us have it because God sometimes,
going around the world and sharing, people will
come up to say, and they will say, you know,
I have had dreams like that. I have seen myself
somewhere in the world praying for somebody,
helping somebody, and all these. And so that
was one of my very vivid ones years ago. Yeah,
when the tsunami happened. Very interesting that,
you know, because you're in their time zone.
So which is our night is their day. That's true.
That's tremendous. I remember our founder, Sister
Gwen Shaw, telling those kind of stories a lot.
I remember there was one lady that she talked
about. Her name was Confidence Cloats, I believe.
I think that was her name. And she told us about
how this woman would have these dreams. And in
her dreams, she was taken by an angel to some
faraway place. minister while she's sleeping.
She'd be ministering. And then she'd wake up
in the morning and have this wonderful testimony
of, oh, I had such a wonderful dream, right?
So there was one time that she was taken, now
she lived in California, and that she was taken
by an angel to someplace in Asia. And as the
angel is bringing her back, the sun is beginning
to rise and she sees the coastline and she says,
Could we just go down and let me get a handful
of sand? And so the angel takes her down. She
gets a handful of sand. The next thing she knows,
here's this knock on the door. Sister Confidence,
Sister Confidence, what's going on? You're sleeping
so late. This is unusual for you. And it was
the lady that lived with her and her assistant.
She says, oh, come in, dear. And she begins to
tell the wonderful testimony of how the angel
took her and she was ministering in her dream.
She's ministering in her dream. And she says,
as the angel was bringing me back, I asked him
to let me grab a handful of... And she opened
her hand and she had a handful of sand. Oh, wow.
So, yeah, there's something very real about all
of these things that are going on. Mr. Confidence.
Exactly. That's amazing. That's something by
faith, isn't it? Yes, absolutely. And that's,
I see a lot of people, they get hung up on the
minutia. Was that me or was that my imagination?
Was that a dream or was it real? Was that air
on the side of faith? Father, thank you for that
opportunity. Can I do it again? Yes. We have
an American Indian sister that is a very good
friend of ours. she knew bruce before we were
married so that's like over 25 26 years ago and
when bruce started talking about these things
and teaching and one day she came to us and uh
she said bruce i have something for you apparently
in 1950s she interviewed a man that was in 80s
80s she had interviewed a man that was known
to be taken in the spirit by the angels all over
the world and she said bruce i have that VHS?
VHS interview. Interview. And she said, I'm the
only one who interviewed him. And she said, all
these years I have been keeping it. But the Lord
said to me to give it to you. Yeah. And we have
the original copy of that. And we turned it on.
Oh, my. Yes. There's testimonies after testimonies
of this man being taken all over the world and
to a point where his wife got so used to it.
And she will share stuff like this on the show
that her clothes, she'll wake up, his clothes
will be there and he's not. And he's gone. And
then she knew where he was that the Lord had
taken him. And then she will share from around
the world, he will bring souvenirs for her. Oh,
wow. And neighbors would see flashes and he'd
disappear and flashes, he'd come back. Isn't
it some years ago that we had given to a man
the VHS and he... No, we put it on CD. And he
put it on CD, but then somebody put it on YouTube.
So you can find it on YouTube. But his son called
you. Yes. His son called us, this man's son,
seven years ago. Really? Yes. And what was the
conversation he had with you? Basically, he verified.
Oh, yeah. He was okay with it. Yes. Oh, thank
God. That's truth. That this happened to his
dad. Wow. So that was pretty awesome. Yeah. But
he was shunned by the church. Yes. Because they
said, that's not God, that's the devil. Yeah.
Yikes. Well, the things that he did were amazing.
And only God. Only God. Yeah, because the same
lady gave Sister Gwen a copy. Oh, okay. So we've
had it for years too. Oh. Yeah, and you know
what's interesting? I was reminded of this. They
just had a 7 .3 earthquake in Alaska. Yeah. Remember
the one back in 64? Yes. 7 .3? Yes. Guess what?
He was by the Spirit taken there and ministered
to people that were trapped. Really? Wow. So
to me it was like. Pay attention. Pay attention.
Yes. Because I've always said I want a supernatural
first responder team to be there and help. Yes.
Yes. That's one of my driving motivations in
teaching this. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard you say
that, and I was hoping that you would say it
again for us on this episode. So, yeah, this
is the point that we need to be doing what Jesus
did. Because, you know, there's a place where
he has spoken something in the synagogue in Nazareth,
and it made everybody upset because he's really
just declared himself to be the Messiah. And
everybody's all upset, and they're going to take
him to the edge of the cliff and throw him off.
And then it just says he passed between them.
Yeah, passed through them. He walked through
the crowd. Yeah, he walked through the crowd.
Well, how do you do that and not be apprehended?
You know, there had to be some kind of supernatural
something. And then there's the time when he's
walked on the water and he gets into the boat
and instantly they're at their destination. That's
translation. So Jesus said, the works that I
do shall you do also and greater works. So we
just need to allow the Holy Spirit to expand
our spiritual mind. To begin to embrace him.
Now, just before we close, let's talk for a moment
about relationship in relationship to this. Relationship
with the Lord. Can you just expound a little
on that? Because I know that this is critical.
How can two walk together unless they be agreed?
Yeah. How can you be in agreement if you don't
know somebody? Right. How do you ever get to
know somebody if you never spend time with them?
Right. You've heard this expression, armchair
quarterbacks. We have a lot of religious armchair
quarterbacks that think they have all the answers
when they have nothing. They have head knowledge
or an intellectual assent to a written document,
not a relational revelation. And so relationship
is so important because the Lord does not entrust
the secrets of the kingdom to those who don't
know him. Right. So if you want to walk in the
deeper realms of kingdom life, you must spend
time with the author of life. And so that he
becomes your most intimate acquaintance, your
best friend, your Lord, your King, your God.
Not just somebody that's in the periphery of
your acquaintance list, you know. We all say,
oh, I've got a lot of friends, but how many true
friends do you really have? So that's the whole
point. We pushed religion rather than focused
on relationship. Exactly. And that is the most
important thing in the life of a believer, is
developing a passionate relationship with the
living God. That's why he came and died, so we
could have that. Exactly. So anything less than
that is really snubbing or doing despot to the
very fact, the reason he came. It's like, well,
whatever. What is it? Familiarity breeds contempt.
Yeah. And so he's always taught me that relationship
is more important than anything else. Yes. I've
just watched it over the years, not only for
myself. This is where I've got to start. But
then you can start recognizing what's the motive
for a lot of people being in ministry. Wow. Well,
you can watch how they conduct themselves in
ministry and you begin to recognize, okay, what's
the hook? Is it money? Is it prestige? Is it
I'm going to be a success? I'm going to have
the biggest, the best? Or is it out of a love
for God? Right. That's the difference. The greatest
warriors, the most profound reflections of Christ
are the hidden ones that walk with him day in
and day out without needing the accolades or
the recognition of the world. And so there are
so many people having translocation or kingdom
experiences. that we never hear because they
don't share them. They don't cast their pearls
before swine. Once they recognize that others
have that, then they can begin to share because
now we're on common ground. And I've had so many
people finally share their testimonies because
they go, oh, you understand. We were talking
about Dean Braxton. When I first met Dean just
shortly after his experience, I was fascinated
because I've studied these. for years i said
so tell me about your experience he said i can't
i said what do you mean he said the lord said
if you don't ask a question i'm not i can't answer
it well okay so what about this did you see yeah
and how about yeah and you know i think that
oh you you've been there yeah yeah yeah so then
now we had common ground now he could share right
and i believe that's the way it is with a lot
of seasoned saints that know not to just you
know throw things out Yeah. So it's relationship.
Absolutely. And on the other hand, concerning
relationship, concerning discernment, I would
say also that we all know that supernatural has
become a catchphrase in Christendom now. Let's
say for the past 15 years, we have so many books
written. We have so many. material out there
videos people having supernatural experiences
they talk about visiting with angels seeing angels
going to heaven meeting saints meeting jesus
all this but how are we to discern and in the
in the bible it talks about in book of hebrews
chapter 5 verse 14 but strong meat belongs to
them that are full of age even those who by reason
of use their senses exercise to discern both
good and evil so Are we able to discern people
who are sharing? I'm not saying that God cannot
do these things. Yes, he does. Bible is full
of it. But Bible also cautions us to be able
to discern the spirits they are operating from
because there are also a lot of lying signs,
wonders, and miracles. That's right. And the
Bible even talks about that the enemy can come
as an angel of light. So we have to spend that
time with the Lord. Even in book of Matthew chapter
24, the Lord, when the disciples came to him
and asked him, tell us the signs of the last
days. And the very first thing the Lord talked
about, see that you will not be deceived. Amen.
Deception. There is so much deception in the
world today and in the church today. And then
he went on to say there will be rumors of wars.
There will be all these natural things. But the
very first thing that you are not deceived, you
know, there are false prophets, false teachers.
coming and deceiving people. So we've got to
be able to discern in this hour. So that's where
the teaching of discernment comes in because
we talk a lot in the school also about supernatural
things. But we've got to be able to discern right
and wrong, good and evil, right spirit and wrong
spirit. It's so important. We see it everywhere.
It's just amazing to see the deception out there.
Right. And especially with AI being what it is
and gaining more ground, there's so much, so
much that AI can counterfeit. Yeah. And one of
the things that I quickly say, if we have time,
is it's called digital harvesting. So what happens
is AI prophecies. So what is happening is that
people going online, if you have put any information
about yourself online, they will go harvest that.
They will see all the videos or maybe you put
in your happiness. You've been through something
and they find out all this information about
you online. And then they contact you online
and they will try to give you a word of prophecy.
And people are buying into it. Yeah, there was
a woman that actually. asked the AI for a prophetic
word. Oh no, she had a tongue and she wanted
an interpretation. And so she thought, oh, let's
do this. And the AI interpreted it and she said
it was spot on. And so now she's pushing, we
need to do this. Encouraging people to ask AI.
And it's not the Spirit of God. There are people
not getting things from the Spirit of God, from
AI. And now pastors are using AI just for messages.
They don't even study anymore. So how do you
discern that? Is this the gospel according to
a computer or the gospel according to the kingdom?
Right. So, yes, we have to discern. Yes. Absolutely.
And character is the tell. Yep. Yep. Go there.
Talk about that. In the class, we are going to
go through and look at discernment from all angles.
We are going to talk about it. We are going to
have question and answer sessions on it. And
it's going to be amazing. Yeah. Well, instead
of me going into great detail, you know, we teach
about character, the character of Christ. Yes.
Jesus said, I come in my Father's name. That
word name means character, honor, and authority.
We're to come in Christ's name. We pray in his
name. We do these works in his name. That means
his character. Yes. And without character, you're
not going to have kingdom. Yep. So that's in
a nutshell. I actually just wrote a booklet on
that. Oh. So, yeah, we'll get you some of those,
too. Good. Good. So you've written a number of
books. How can people get your books? Amazon,
our website, your bookstore. Yes, we do have
some in our bookstore. Yeah. You also have a
website. What's your website? Stillwatersinternationalmissions
.com. Stillwatersinternationalmissions .com.
Okay, we'll put a link to that. And we'll also
put a link to some of our previous episodes with
the two of you and let people enjoy that. So
we're really looking forward to having you with
us. And of course, there will be a link to the
event page where we have the school so that people
that are interested can read all about it and
say, hey, I'm coming and click on that register
button and be there, be here with us. And I just
sensed, you know, by the Spirit of God, this
year when we taught the other three schools,
I had a great expectation that the Lord was releasing
something new. And this has been building all
year, so I really have an expectancy on this
school that something is going to be released.
I don't know exactly what, and it might be, but
it's going to be interesting. I'm coming expecting.
Yeah, we're expecting too. Practical things that
I like to mention is about this school at Global
Outpouring. A lot of people don't get this information
is that it is one of the best places. that we
venues that we like to come because everything
is on one compound. You have the school there
and you also have a place to sleep. So you don't
have to be running around and, you know, stress
going to hotels and stuff and also meals. So
everything is in one compound and it's a beautiful
property, a great place for morning walks and
stuff like that. It's a, it's a best deal. That's
what I have to say. I love it. We'll keep the
bears on leashes. Yeah, there are bears. Yeah,
we actually do have bears. We have air horns,
though. Yeah. They're not going to come around
when there's a lot of people around. I don't
think we'll see them. They're not grizzlies like
you get up. No, no, no. We have authority. That's
true. We all get to eat together. It's pretty
awesome. Beautiful. Well, Bruce, would you pray
for our listeners before we close? I'd be honored.
Father, we thank you for this time together where
we... We touched on many things. But I ask you,
Father, to stir the hearts of those who are listening,
to pursue you through your word, through prayer,
through worship, and through quiet times, just
waiting on you. In this hour, Father, it's imperative
that we know you. Yes. More than any other time
in the history of mankind, this is the final
moments. So we must be close with you. And so
I pray a grace come upon everybody that is hearing
this podcast and an activation within them of
the things that you have been building in them
for years. And I thank you, Father, for this.
In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. Please subscribe,
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