I walk into the Three -Self Church. It was singing,
What a good friend of Jesus. Wow. That choir
singing. You know what? I teared, pouring out
like rain. I cried for, non -stop crying for
three days. Wow. I believe that's born again,
you know. I just, everywhere I go, I cried. I
just saw the beautiful flower, everything beautiful.
God promises in Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit
on all humanity. Welcome to Global Outpouring,
where we contend for that promise outpouring,
we equip for that outpouring so that we may engage
in that very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And
I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast today.
We have with us our special guests, Esther Annie
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and Lois Wong, they're sisters. And you came
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What an amazing combination even to have. But
you're Chinese and you came to New Zealand. That's
a story in itself. I don't know how much of the
stories we'll be able to tell today, but we've
known each other for a number of years, and we
really appreciate you coming to the convention.
So welcome to the Global Outpouring Podcast.
Thank you so much. I'm honored to be here. So
I would love to go back to the story of how you
got connected to this ministry, how you met Sister
Gwen Shaw, our founder. Oh, wow. Yes, I came
to the U .S. in 2008. Actually, I worked for
another organization. So I was invited to attend
the presidential prayer breakfast for Bush. Yeah,
he's a prudential preceptor. And then during
that break, I just saw one lady came out with
me on the wheelchair. And another lady pushed
her, so she asked me in Chinese, Are you from
Inner Mongolia? I said, yes. I was surprised.
How do you know that? Then she said, do you know
Mongolia Wang Ye? Wang Ye means the Mongolia
king. I said, oh, I was born in Mongolia Wang
Ye King's Palace. Then she said, wow, you know,
she'd given me her name card. And she said, is
the one year still alive? I said, no, I even
don't know. That name card brought us together.
I had to wait for one year, and then I came to
Angletown. That year, I experienced brokenness.
Physically, my ovary was broken. I had three
-quarters of my blood poured out. Yeah, I was
facing almost death. Physically, spiritually,
I got a breakthrough. white skin, and it's like
a rebirth, you know. Wow. Yeah, so after that,
it took me half a year to restore, you know,
my physical body is so weak, I have to drink
in the liquid for a month, chicken soup, you
know. I got a sister who came from New Zealand
to look after me. Gradually, when I was getting
better, I was invited to a women's group who
studied the 12 tribes of Israel. I was really
fascinated. I had been coming from an underground
church in New Zealand. I found a Chinese church.
Always in the church, never heard about the Israel
or tribal. So I studied that book. find my first
tribe, Zebulun, you know. I said, who is that
woman? Grandshaw wrote such a fantastic book,
you know. Then I went back home and find out
the name card Sister Grandshaw gave to me. I
said, oh, that's the same lady I met at the presidential
prayer breakfast. Then the Midland people said,
wow, you know, she's a very, she's a very anointed
woman. He said, you got to meet with her. So
everybody started calling, you know, Anton Handmaiden.
Yeah, so Sister Granshaw said, come here, come
here. Yeah, so I made a day I drove to Little
Rock. Oh, no, I flew to Little Rock and hired
the car. But for me, coming to Angletown, also
I had to break through so much because that day
was... I was lost so many times. I drove like
four or five hours from Little Rock. It's only
two and a half hours drive. I don't have GPS.
I drove on the mountain, my driving skills. School
is not that good. I was so afraid that suddenly
the fog, you know, come. I couldn't see anything
on the narrow road. I said, oh, my goodness,
Lord, help me. I cry out to God. I turned, opened
four windows, and it was in November. It was
so freezing. Oh, yes. My finger can't move. Anyway,
I just heard the Lord said. bring out your wind,
fly like an eagle. Wow. I just realized I come
to the eagle rock. So finally I arrived. I think
Philip, you went to pick me up. And from there,
I just came down to the valley. Wow. I feel like
a whole new world waiting for me. Wow. It was.
Yeah. It was like nine o 'clock. She's expecting.
me for dinner but I was because I was lost and
I tried to find then she sang the song Jesus
love you I all know in Chinese I cried I cried
Then Sister Grandshasha just told you, record
everything Annie said. Oh, wow. I feel so honored.
I thought nobody had come here. She always honored
me. That makes me feel like, wow, I must be important.
Then I stayed here for three days, and she began
to ask you to take out the old photo album. Oh,
yes. Like every day I look at the photo. She
shared all the story from the birth, from the
baby photo. Until, you know, she was in China,
in India, like her whole life. And laying in
front of me, I just heard that God said, look,
this is your spiritual mother. Beautiful. If
I can make her to live a life like that, I can
give you the same life. Beautiful, beautiful.
Even greater. So I feel I always. feel like I
was unworthy, but I was so encouraged. And she
gave me her biography book. And yeah, when I
returned home, I immediately started reading,
even on the airplane. I never read an English
book within one week, but that's the only book
I read in one week. I read her story about, you
know, she took the $10 to go to China, go to
Mongolia, go to Alashan. That's my hometown area.
So I began to realize that I was her prayer fruit,
you know. After 20 years, she laid down herself
in my hometown. I was born, you know. Yeah, she
told me she had poured out so much tea in my
hometown, you know. But that, yeah, that's such
a dark time and no believer in that. I remember
she said when she was there, You know, sometimes
being so lonely, she'd just take her accordion
and sing every song in the book, you know, with
her accordion. Yeah, because she was so lonely,
far from home. Yeah, far from home, yeah. Yeah,
wow. Yeah, so one thing I was so surprised, she
has such a good memory, you know. She says she's
that time, 83 or something like that. And she
can call that person's name even back to 50 years
ago. I was fascinated. So after that, I realized
that God wanted me to bring her back to China.
because she told me China is my first love and
China is also my last love. So I just really
feel like I came here for a mission. I was chosen
to prepare for her. So because of that, I had
to leave the U .S. because I planned to live
here for a long time. Then I tried to reapply
my visa. Mark Bruce, who had to write a book
for helping me to get a visa. Three times they
denied. So I realized that God wanted me to go
back to China. So I went back to China for two
years, just major preparing for her return to
China. outpouring, pouring out the Holy Spirit
again. When 60 years ago, she's an intercessor,
laid down, giving birth to China. 60 years later,
and then God used her as like a spiritual mother,
you know, to raise up all the children and anoint
them to be Antonian maiden servant to do the
harvest work. Yes, yes. So that's 2010. Sister
Granshaw came to you all, you know, came to Beijing.
And then we had seven men who did this. 40 days
fast. Wow. So I didn't know any of them. And
it was God. That meeting, really, God brought
together 300, you know, all the underground church
leaders, the orphans, the saints, you know, come
together. It was beautiful. Yeah, it was beautiful.
She just preached about it. Oh, she was welcomed
by the 100 underground church, you know, all
the peasants. They brought a drum. And the. trumpet.
So in those days, we haven't got that long trumpet,
but they got that do, do, do, do, do, that kind
of trumpet, you know, and they blow the trumpet
and they beat the drum when the army arrived,
they came in, that like lift up the gate of China
in the capital city and welcome her because that
was God, that really from God recognized who
she is and she had, you know, poured her heart
to. In the 1940s. Yeah, 1947. Yeah. So this is
60 years later. And yeah, so after Beijing, the
convention, I remember everything she shared
on the convention is the end time, open a book
of end time. So remember she talked about the
revelation, the four horses, you know, chapter
six and the four horses. Even she said, and I
never... preached on the four horses in my life.
It was like open the end time, the scroll. So
after that, we brought her all the way to Inner
Mongolia, after Beijing to Inner Mongolia. We
went to Great War. Everything about taking the
Chinese Christian to another level. And they
united their heart through that end time handmaiden,
the mother's heart. So until we went back to
find her first mission, you know, in Alashan.
Yes. Yeah, that little town when she started
the Bible school for two years. And that was
another miracle. And we tried to look for the
school. We saw the school must not exist, you
know, 60 years. And we have no any clue. Yeah,
we just settled in the hotel. Then I have a picture
Sister Granshaw showing me. And she was with
the early church leader, the Bible school, the
student. And she and her first husband, they
were the only white people. So I have seen that
picture. She brought that picture with her. She
brought it with her? Yeah. Oh, wow. That's how
I recognized. Yes. Yeah, that's quite amazing.
Then I and Peter in that morning when we settled
down in the hotel, we said, Oh, Lord, direct
us to find that Bible school and find that church.
She only told us. She told me this is Pastor
Gao because when she left Mingxie and she committed
the Bible college to her student. pastor go.
He become in charge. She's in charge. You know,
all the missionary left because Sister Granshaw
is the last missionary left. Yeah. So, she only
know he didn't pastor go. So, we get on the text,
text driver ask, where do you want to go? We
said, oh, we'll take her to church. He said,
oh, there's several, three self church, government
church. Which one do you want to go? We just
said, any church you lead us, you know. And,
Then she drove us to one of the churches, and
we knocked the door. The pastor came out. He
said, who are you looking for? We said, Pastor
Gao. He said, I am Pastor Gao. That was God.
God led you. She led us into his office, and
I suddenly found the same picture Sister Granshaw
brought. That picture is on his desk under the
thick glass. Wow. Wow. It was almost like, wow,
how much chance you got. We're just pointing
that. We said, do you know that white lady? He
said, yes, she's our teacher. Grand, she said,
grand. She said, how is she? I haven't seen her
for 60 years. And we said, she's here in this
town, hotel. He almost jumped. He said, oh, take
me, take me to see her. Yeah, we just said, we'll
bring her to this place. We said, where's Bible
school? He said, here, this is the Bible school.
So it was still operating as a church? Yes, still
the Bible school. Wow. We said, wow. 60 years
later, it's still running. Still Bible. Glory
to God. Yeah, amazing. He said the communism
has confiscated, but later on they returned to
the church. Wow. So everything like restored.
Glory to God. Wow. We said, oh, in the afternoon,
something about like 3 o 'clock, we'll come to
see you. He said, give me a time. I'm going to
call all these students, all the pastors to come.
There were about 20. Yeah, 20 of them came. Some
of them had to take a bus for one or two hours.
And so, yeah, when they all stood in the yard,
you know, when Sister Granshaw walked into it,
me and went up to the, yeah, because they told
me that they got a piano. Organ. Organ. Nobody
can play. It was like broken. He said the government
returned to them a few months ago. It was like
70 years old, you know. Yeah. They were given
by the missionary from other countries. Yeah.
But anyway, he said the grandchild had played
this. teaching them how to sing songs. And yeah,
she's a very good musician. So Tommy started
playing the song, you know, with the organ. Wow.
So that moment, they just divide appointment
and Sister Greenshaw came in and... I just remember
the wind blowing. Everybody stood up. We were
all in tears. We all cried, you know, just having
visited after 60 years. And Sister Granshaw just
asked how the students, my students, are they
alive? They said no one is missing, no one died,
no one was killed. They are all alive. They all
did a great mission work, you know. different
area, region. And I said, ask this pastor, how
many church did you plant? He said, oh, several
hundred. And how many people you minister in
this area? Oh, he said 60 ,000. Yeah. 60 ,000?
Yeah. In whole province, you know. Wow. He's
become like reverend, you know, the leading all
this. They still sing the old hymn because they
sing the old song. I know that. Mr. Simpson.
What is it? Oh, W .W. Simpson. Yeah, W .W. Simpson.
The songbook he wrote for them. Yeah, I read
it. I was crying, he said, because in the book
it says, Ask the Lord, harvest 44 ,000 Chinese,
or 44 million Chinese. In those days, back to
1920, 44 million Chinese. And crying. Wow, we
just said that. It was really amazing. They're
still seeing his hands. Wow. Wow. Then they have
so much report. Then I remember Sister Gwen just
sitting there. Fruit after fruit, fruit after
fruit. Beautiful. Yeah, so that trip is like
such a fulfillment. She felt the joy. That's
why when she returned, she felt like my mission
had completed. What did they call that? Your
swan song? Swan song. Swan song. Yeah, her swan
song tour. That's what she called it. Called
it. So she started in China, and that was her
last overseas trip, I think. Yeah, that was it.
It was right after that, after she got home,
she started going downhill. Yeah, yeah. We met
so many Chinese people. They all said, oh, we're
the end -time handmaidens. We have joined the
Beijing conference, joined the Xi 'an conference.
We're all end -time handmaidens. Remember once
you anointed 500 end -time handmaidens? And a
peasant, you know. Yes. Wow. After 10 years of
visiting them, how you say, we're Anton's handmaidens.
Wow. We want to hear from Mama Grange Shaw. We
want to, yeah, to know where should we go, you
know. Wow. Yeah, they're very faithful, dedicated.
God, you know, using them as a harvest since
2010. They all become deeper. to censor warrior
and evangelist planting church all over China.
Glory to God. Oh, many of them be said to the
other nation, you know, like Brother Xiang who
has a... According to our whole group, because
he's the one pouring out so much finance, you
know, for almost, he give out all his saving
money, everything. Yeah, for that trip. And,
you know, he wanted you guys stay in the five
-star hotel. He said, we want to honor Mama Grandshaw.
We want to give her all the best, you know, so.
They paid, oh, yes, thousands, thousands, thousands
on that journey. So, but they, God reward them
so much. Yeah. So now they, God sent them to
all the Afghanistan, all the Muslim country.
Actually, God give the Muslim country to them.
They are also very faithful and time servant.
They are in the harvest field for, yeah, those
country. Other people cannot. God gives them
the permission, authority, anointing. Yeah, wow.
That's amazing. That's amazing. They can go where
we can't. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, glory to
God. That's fantastic. Yeah, God will connect
us again one day. Yeah. And we'll, I mean, whether
it's on this planet or when we get to heaven.
What about the churches we were at, the orphanages?
That was in 2012. Anhui province. Anhui province.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's another fantastic story.
Remember that the orphan in, yeah, we raised
up almost over 100 orphans. And the one -child
policy created so many homeless children, abandoned
baby. Yeah. Yeah. So the three families, three
pastors, they pick up their children from the
street, from the rubbish bin. Or some people
brought that baby to that door. It's really,
you know, heartbreaking story. Especially special
needs children and girls. Yeah, and the girls.
And also someone has, you know, the paralyzed,
yeah, and the sickness, you know. Yeah, the parents
can't afford having that sick baby. Right. So
they can't send to anybody else. Nobody wanted.
So they put it at the door past the jail. He's
the one. He raised up. He probably received a
hundred of them, even by himself. Some of them
died. Part of the reason I came to the U .S.
is because God rescued my son, Moses, because
Moses was also the second child. We were not
allowed to have him in China. So that's where
God opened the miracle gate in 2001. I escaped
from China and went to New Zealand. for rescue
Moses' life. That's why God gave him the name
Moses. So because of that, God gave me a burden,
a heart to rescue. He said, I rescued your child.
Now you can rescue many Chinese children. Oh,
beautiful. Yeah, I started that ministry right
at the start of 2003. I met the three pastors,
and actually we were having an underground church
gathering, leadership gathering. Yeah, I saw
some of the elderly men. like a 60 -year -old,
hold a five -year -old girl. I said, your granddaughter?
No, no, my daughter. I said, how did it come?
He said, oh, I picked her up from the street.
Abandoned baby, I raised him. Then the next day,
they show me the baby lying at the city gate,
at the city council's gate. That baby lying on
the ground. That's making me heartbroken, you
know. Sure. Some of the baby, maybe somebody
pick up. Some of the baby, if not good, they
just gradually died on the ground. So that night
I said. I cry out. I call the pastor. We need
to pick up all the children. You know, we need
to. Then three pastors respond. Pastor Gal, Pastor
Joe. Yeah, and two Pastor Joe. The other Pastor
Joe is not a pastor. He just retired. He said,
I'm retired. Now my brother is a pastor. I'm
ignorant. I don't know how to preach. But God
said, look after my little one. So that's his
start of nature. He's raising up about 70. Wow.
Yeah. So God gives them different. So the pastor
Zhao, the first one, he got the most difficult
children, all the babies, the handicapped, the
paralyzed, you know, because my heart was so
burning. This baby need to go to hospital. And
each baby needed 10 ,000 yuan to be received
for the treatment. 10 ,000 yuan. Yeah, 10 ,000
yuan. What is that in American money? 1 ,300
U .S. dollars. 1 ,300 U .S. dollars just to be
able to get the child into the hospital. Yeah.
Oh, those days in 2000, it's very evil, very
cruel. They seen the pastor like begging them,
kneeling on the floor, please rescue this baby.
He said, it's none of your business. You should
keep our government policy, you know. Oh, wow.
You can't receive that baby. It's not yours.
You don't have permission. Yeah, this kind of,
you know, people are so deceived. Their hearts
are cold. They don't have Jesus. That's the problem.
That's right. The reason I tried to raise up
funding in New Zealand, very difficult, you know.
So that's part of the reason I began to understand
why God brought me to U .S. and to Midland Odessa.
Because Midland Odessa has lots of wealthy people.
They support the charity. Their company has their
own charity company. So I started recruiting
the right people to support. The orphanage. So,
yeah, very thankful for American people. And
the part, Sister Granshaw had also helping me.
Remember, she went to Odessa, Midland, just majored
for raising up funds for the orphanage. I remember
that. Yeah. So after this, how many years, 15
years later, or during that time, we just, you
know, sent missionaries from America, from New
Zealand, go to take care of all these orphans.
We hold summer camps every year, baptize all
their children. Eventually, more than 100 children
survived, and some died, you know. Some of them,
just government robbed them. Yeah, stealing them.
Because the three orphanages are illegal. Yeah,
government has done. So the government has some
orphanages, right? Oh, yeah, government has orphanages,
but it's like communism, you know. Yeah, totally.
So these illegal orphanages were teaching the
children about Jesus. I remember their faces
being so. Sweet and glowing with the joy of the
Lord. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they're growing
up with Jesus in every orphanage and the pastor,
the father, they call them, the papa teaching
mama, teaching them Jesus and the praying. Yeah,
there's so much miracle in the orphanage during
that group because they have to hide, you know.
Yeah, they're very... living like underground
totally. But they kind of tell people we have
a need, you know, that's right. They keep everything
quiet. So that's why they're just training that
faith. They pray. He says sometimes people throw
a bag of flour, you know, to the wall. That's
kind of, yeah, then sometimes they hunger, they
just fast. Yeah, so nowadays, last year we went
to See, one of the orphanages, yeah, Papa Zhao,
he's already 83 years old now. He still has two
young orphans, and they are like 13, 14, because
they pick them up. One pick up from rubbish bin,
another pick up from the toilet. Yeah, so they're
too young. But all the other children, half of
the children came back home because he said,
Oh, Auntie, come back to us. I haven't seen them
for years. So they all tried, you know, some
take a train for 20 hours, 30 hours. They come
to see me. I was just so amazed. All these young
children, they still love Jesus, still have that
shining, kind face. Beautiful. They do everything,
you know. Very humble. They're doing very well
whenever they're doing the work. The boss gives
them a high praise. And a lot of them are already
married and have children. So every year they
come home for a reunion. They still regard Papa
Joe's house as their home. Every Chinese New
Year they come home. They bought so many stuff.
He had chicken. sheep and the clothes. He said,
before, you know, the papa and mama tried very
hard to buy clothes for them. So now, he said,
children brought so many clothes for us. We're
too old. We don't need the clothes, but they
still buy for us. Yeah, we had a wonderful gathering.
Wow. Praise the Lord. God is faithful. Well,
thank God. Thank God. Yeah, he's so faithful.
His father was an orphan. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely.
So tell us just a little bit about how you and
Lois grew up. Oh, yeah. You were in a communist
nation, and your father was in the military,
wasn't he? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we grew
up in the Mongolia Gobi Desert. And Mawusu is
half desert, half grassland. And my father served
in the Mongolia horse troop. And he's like a
commander, yeah, colonel, something like that.
And my mom is a nurse. So when I was born, the
year of the Cultural Revolution just about started.
Oh, wow. Yeah, so they were too busy to look
after. They had no time to take care of children.
So they said all the children, I was the first
born. And to where my grandmother lived. So my
grandmother lived in the rural desert, you know.
We like 10 miles away see one house. Yeah, muddy
house. We live in the mud. Everything made by
mud. Mud bed, you know. Wow. Yeah. So we grew
up in a very isolated desert. You didn't know
Jesus at all. No, no. Yeah. No exposure. Yeah.
But God is there. Yes, he's always there. He
knows me. So he actually, God raised us up. So
he gave us. pure environment. And we don't have
TV. We grew up, we don't have any kind of the
worldly thing. Everything handmade. So my grandparents
teach us how to work. Yeah. Four years old, start
working the farm because they have sheep, horse,
and cow, and chicken, and all the animal. And
it doesn't, like Israel, they seldom rain. So
we have to carry the water from the well to...
water the crop and for the animals food you know
even for our food our food is totally from the
field we planted in the winter autumn we need
to learn how to store and the food and underground
so very self -sufficient you know and we wear
the clothes that all my grandparents made for
us My grandparents, in the night, they were knitting,
keeping knitting the sweater, the thing, because
in the winter, it's so cold, minus 40 degrees.
Oh, that's very cold. And the Siberian wind blowing.
In the winter, you're almost impossible to go
outside. The wind can, the sand. In the winter,
we have to overcome the coldness, you know, by
putting on so many sheepskin. The cotton clothes
and the sheep skin, everybody look like a sheep.
So that's how we hardly, you know, have a bath
or shower, nothing. Only in the spring, summertime
come, we love to have a wash in the hot, hot
summertime, you know. But because we live in
the desert, the desert is quite clean, you know.
Living in the desert, Dry, dry area. Yeah, very
dry, our skin very dry, yeah. So, yeah, we learned
how to, you know, milk the cows and dig in. We
always teaching us to do double job. You know,
for example, like five, six years old, the grandparents
said you to be the shepherd boy, shepherd girl,
you know, to look after the sheep and look after
the cow. Another way, everybody carried a basket.
You need to dig out the weed for the pig. In
the sunset, we came home, we ride on the cows
and carried a heavy basket of the pig food. Wow.
So that's kind of like my sister, she's eight
years old, carry the bucket of water, you know.
That's why she always complains that I didn't
grow tall because I always carry the heavy water
on my shoulder. Yeah, my grandmother has, you
know, the tiny feet. Oh, she had bound feet?
Yeah, bound feet. Oh, she's poor, my grandmother.
Every night she has to... Unwrap, you know, so
painful, you know. In the daytime, she almost
kneel on the floor to work, you know. Day and
night. Yeah, but we feel the tremendous love
from my grandparents, you know. We learn so much
from them. My grandparents all have very righteous
character, you know. Yeah. Yeah, diligent, righteous,
and generous. Our home is open for every stranger.
Wow. You know, we welcome anybody. they come
home, they always have hot tea. We even have
just one room, one mud bed, you know, like half
of this room. So everybody has a corner, you
know, sleep put on your, you know, the wool carpet.
Mm -hmm. So everybody had the wool carpet you
rolled up in the daytime. Oh, yeah. In the night,
you lay down. So that keep you warm. Wow. Yeah.
So the one by one, everybody, oh, even we got
a stranger come, they had a room to sleep. Wow.
That kind of life. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah,
so. After my childhood, until up to nine years
old, and I went, we all returned to a military
camp. So we live in the military camp. That is
another community life. So we always grew up
in the community, and the child in the community.
Then in the military camp, we like a hundred
people living together in the camp, you know,
all the officers, the soldiers, and the families.
have a meal together, you know, yeah, many times
we share the big meal, you know, or like kibbutz,
you know, the way. So we share everything equally.
Like children in the summer, we go to our military
garden, you know, they plant so much vegetable.
So our job is to gather that vegetable and then
put it into the basket and put it at everybody's
door. So then it has to be the same amount. So
you're sharing everything. Yeah, yeah, we share
everything. A little bit of, you know, molding
our character. Sure. Yeah, generously share with
others. The only problem with communism is that
they've left out Jesus. They've left out God.
Yeah, yeah. Because communism itself is very
much like the book of Acts where you share everything.
Yeah, you share everything. But you've got to
have the Holy Spirit. Otherwise, it doesn't work.
Yeah. Otherwise, what's yours is mine. And what's
mine is mine. Yeah, exactly. But in those days,
they work out. I think God working because the
principle about very sacrificial teaching, all
of us live a sacrificial life. Yeah, because
those soldiers, you know, who died for liberation
of the communism, you know, before the Chinese
people live such a terrible life. Those soldiers
died for us. So the people have that kind of
dying for one another, you know. Yeah. So yeah,
much, much less. less of a selfishness than today.
You know, in those days, we always think about
others. We want others best, you know. Yeah,
so when coming to, then suddenly China changed.
Yeah, before China emphasized on labor education,
cultural revolution is everything about labor
education, you know, all the intellectual growing
pride. So they've been sent to the country to
do the labor job. So the peasant is like, best.
If you are peasant, you're the highest position
in China. Wow. Yeah. If you have money, wow,
you look down upon. So everybody very proud of
I'm a poor or I'm a... Wow. Yeah. So because
our family come from peasant, you know, situation.
So my father, that's why he has been promoted.
Because my father also very great character,
you know, leading by integrity. So he was promoted.
And all these officers in the military camp are
very good character. They like a Christian or
more than, you know, they self, they set up very
good example for all of us, you know, always.
working for others. So anyway, we started school,
and China's education changed from a laboring
education to intellectual education, so intellectual
type. So everybody needs to study very hard.
So we all study very, very hard because we're
always very obedient, you know, like best children
or best students. So we always want to do the
best. You know, that's from our parents, grandparents.
So I become like a top student in all my school,
primary school, intermediate, high school. So
eventually I went to the top law university in
China. Law? Yeah, law. Oh, I don't think I knew
that. That university is training for government
official, you know. Okay. Yeah, and to making
the law or serving the law and to training to
be a judge or lawyer. very high position. So
this is a chosen, you know, maybe one among thousand
students you've been chosen. So I was chosen,
you know, and to serve the communism law, you
know, serve our government, you know. Yeah. And
she passed the high examination. She was the
first master degree graduate from the banking
because that time China started economic, you
know, Deng Xiaoping time in 1980, especially.
you know, when relationship between America and
China restored, that like a business started,
you know, economic time. So he was, she was the
first graduate or master degree student from
her banking. 一样的 ,我的本科和研究生专业是一样的。 Yeah ,就是banking嘛,
yeah. So, yeah, but when I... achieved that level,
but I suddenly feel when I was at university,
I lost my goal. I don't know what is next for
me to achieve. And also, I'm tired of driving
myself so hard. You know, I suddenly feel I'm
seeking for the meaning of my life. Yeah. Why
I'm on the earth. Why if I'm living just for
working, it's like those days Chinese people
had to work always Chinese people. But they don't
have happiness, don't have joy. Yeah. Yeah. Just
like sleep, you know. Yeah. So I started searching
the meaning of the life. I went to all the library
and study. And part of the reason I study English,
I want to go overseas. So I chose two. I did
a double bachelor, one the law, one the English.
I want to go overseas. I want to search in the
truth, go to the Western country. You know, that's
my goal. And when I was so lost, I just so depressed
because one day, one of my friend, classmate,
she committed suicide. And she threw herself
from 13 high building. I cried. I feel like I
want to follow her. You know, I feel so meaningless,
you know. Oh, just like a book of Ecclesiastes,
you know. Empty, empty, empty, empty. Right.
Yeah. Then God know. And then one day that would,
yeah. That time already we got, I only very interested
in learning English and also communicate with
my English teacher. So one day we got an English
teacher. She's a different English teacher. When
she walk into the room, I saw her face gloomy
with the light. I didn't know what that. Then
she smiled like angel. Then I realized every...
Teacher different, she's always teaching us with
a smile on her face. She's so happy. I just want
to know why she's so happy. Then I become very
close to her, and then she brought me to government
church. Before that, I don't know any church.
I don't know Bible. I don't know Jesus at all.
Never heard about it. So when I remember when
I walk into the Three -Self Church, it was singing,
What a good friend of Jesus. Wow, that choir
singing. You know what? Tears pouring out like
rain. I cried for, non -stop crying for three
days. I believe that's born again, you know.
I just, everywhere I go, I cried. I just saw
the beautiful flower, everything beautiful, you
know. That's such a born -again spirit. I never
forgot. So, yeah, so immediately after I have
it. great passion want to learn bible so god
brought so many american missionary to me to
teach me bible german missionary australian missionary
anyway i don't know how they just come to my
life suddenly like yeah and my life I found a
meaning. I found a joy. I began to laugh like
them, you know. Tremendous change. Then I received,
at the same time that God, Jesus, given me a
calling, I read all these early disciples. Jesus
said, come follow me. I'll make you fishmen.
I just cannot help denying it. I said, Jesus,
you call me to be a fishman? You call me to follow
you? And eventually. When I graduated in 1987,
or 88, I graduated from my double major, and
I have opportunity to remain at my university
to become a law teacher. Yeah, so teaching the
law in English, that kind of position they give
to me, and you can have a good salary, you can
have a... Beijing citizenship, you know, it's
very hard to get Beijing citizenship like get
a Roman citizenship, you know. The highest citizenship
in China. But I just keep feeling like God calling
me and God brought me to underground church.
All these saints, you know, they just come out
of the prison, you know. Wang Mingdao's disciples,
they... They've been in prison 20 years. So they've
just been released. I was, you know, by accident,
I was brought to their meeting. It's like, wow,
you know, later I realized they are like passing
on their anointing to us, you know, like mental,
they mentally are. So I just cannot deny God
calling me to serve him. Give up everything,
you know. Jesus keeps saying, you know, and deny
yourself, take up your cross to follow me. pay
the price. So I decided to give up my job, give
up my career to follow Jesus. But I didn't realize
that cost me so much. I got no job, no place
to stay. I just want to go to Bible college.
But for going to Bible college, I have to...
live in nowhere, had no money, nothing for four
or five years. But God said, I am your Bible
college. He started training me and using me
as evangelist. So that time I got such a zeal
to preach gospel. I preached and built up the
university fellowship, the first fellowship in
university. Wow. Yeah, later I went back to my
school, my university. They have so many become
Christian. Glory to God. Yeah, even today they
still, the fellowship become a church, underground
church. Wow. So, Annie, I want to say thank you
for sharing this part of your story with us.
And we're going to continue in the next episode
sharing with your sister's story. Lois has such
an amazing story about being in prison in China.
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