WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.759 And I'm sitting there grudgingly in the back 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:06.599 of the church and I'm going, can we hurry up 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:09.419 and just pour this water over this baby and finish 00:00:09.419 --> 00:00:12.060 this already? I don't want to feed. I don't need 00:00:12.060 --> 00:00:16.859 your food. I just want to go. And I get up and 00:00:16.859 --> 00:00:19.780 I leave and I get to the door and I fell to my 00:00:19.780 --> 00:00:23.460 knees. The same sensation came over my body from 00:00:23.460 --> 00:00:28.019 head to toe and I fell at the door. And that 00:00:28.019 --> 00:00:39.740 began the journey. with God. God promises in 00:00:39.740 --> 00:00:43.700 Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity. 00:00:44.539 --> 00:00:47.179 Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend 00:00:47.179 --> 00:00:50.100 for that promise outpouring, we equip for it, 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:53.979 and we engage in this outpouring. I'm Philip 00:00:53.979 --> 00:00:56.899 Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast 00:00:56.899 --> 00:01:00.719 today. We have friends here with us today from 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:04.420 the ends of the earth, from New Zealand, and 00:01:04.420 --> 00:01:06.680 they're going to share with us some of their 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:11.540 stories of how they have had outpouring in their 00:01:11.540 --> 00:01:15.019 lives that has caused them to be used of God 00:01:15.019 --> 00:01:22.840 to change a whole community of gangs. Thank you 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:25.420 so much for joining us today. We know you're 00:01:25.420 --> 00:01:28.180 going to enjoy this podcast. 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If you've got an idea of something you'd 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:08.419 like for us to bring to the podcast, we'd love 00:02:08.419 --> 00:02:10.520 to hear from you. Let us know where you're listening 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:15.539 from. So, Sandy and Princess Jensen, we are so 00:02:15.539 --> 00:02:18.780 glad that you have joined us today on the Global 00:02:18.780 --> 00:02:21.460 Outpouring Podcast. Thank you. It's a pleasure 00:02:21.460 --> 00:02:24.020 to be here. We're just really excited. We've 00:02:24.020 --> 00:02:26.400 been hearing some of your testimonies, and I'm 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:29.580 sure that as we talk some more, we're going to 00:02:29.580 --> 00:02:31.900 hear details that we haven't heard before. But 00:02:31.900 --> 00:02:37.680 I just love how God does things in people's lives, 00:02:37.740 --> 00:02:41.219 and He takes them from difficult situations and 00:02:41.219 --> 00:02:43.500 brings them into His glory and brings them into 00:02:43.500 --> 00:02:47.280 His outpouring. and then uses them to bring outpouring 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:50.520 to others. So I'm not sure which one of you wants 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:52.819 to start with your story first, but you both 00:02:52.819 --> 00:02:58.639 have amazing stories. Yes. Well, I think I grew 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:01.120 up in a typical working -class family in New 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:04.120 Zealand. My parents weren't believers. It wasn't 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:07.860 a Christian home. Both my parents were workaholic 00:03:07.860 --> 00:03:11.860 alcoholics. Oh, my. And life was very violent. 00:03:12.830 --> 00:03:15.449 I think I started cooking for the family from 00:03:15.449 --> 00:03:18.229 about the age of seven, being the oldest of four 00:03:18.229 --> 00:03:21.050 boys. There were no girls, so the job became 00:03:21.050 --> 00:03:26.449 mine. But it's given me a skill. Yes. An undeniable 00:03:26.449 --> 00:03:29.430 skill in cooking, so I am grateful for that. 00:03:29.710 --> 00:03:33.669 But my grandparents were Christians. Ah. And 00:03:33.669 --> 00:03:37.789 by their advice, I did get sent to Sunday school. 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:41.340 And so I was introduced to Christ from an early 00:03:41.340 --> 00:03:44.759 age, but never really got to have a relationship 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:48.319 with him. Gave my heart to him several times 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:50.400 at different holiday camps and things like that. 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:53.419 Even encountered some bizarre things. Like the 00:03:53.419 --> 00:03:56.180 first time I smelt the fragrance of the Lord, 00:03:56.219 --> 00:03:59.500 I think it was about 11 years old. I walked into 00:03:59.500 --> 00:04:01.860 this room and I could smell this beautiful smell. 00:04:03.099 --> 00:04:05.680 Being a nosy person I was, I went around trying 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:08.240 to sniff out, see who had this wonderful aftershave. 00:04:09.300 --> 00:04:11.939 Couldn't find it on anybody, but it was there 00:04:11.939 --> 00:04:14.719 on everybody. Oh, glory to God. And it wasn't 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:18.800 until I got saved as an adult and started getting 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:22.430 introduced to... other manifestations of his 00:04:22.430 --> 00:04:25.269 presence that I understood what it was then. 00:04:25.389 --> 00:04:29.730 Wow. So I went through a typical Kiwi childhood, 00:04:29.990 --> 00:04:35.629 smoking weed, drinking excessively. That seemed 00:04:35.629 --> 00:04:37.949 to be quite normal for people at our age group. 00:04:38.009 --> 00:04:40.430 Oh, wow. And you didn't have to leave school 00:04:40.430 --> 00:04:42.949 to start doing that. That just started. Wow. 00:04:43.329 --> 00:04:46.850 And so, yeah, did that. Got caught up in... doing 00:04:46.850 --> 00:04:49.230 things like Ouija boards and astral traveling 00:04:49.230 --> 00:04:53.269 and seances and ESP and all sorts of bizarre 00:04:53.269 --> 00:04:56.649 things. But I really, now I know that was just 00:04:56.649 --> 00:04:59.189 a hunger for things of the spirit that was deep 00:04:59.189 --> 00:05:01.389 inside of me. It was just going to the wrong 00:05:01.389 --> 00:05:04.730 source. Right, exactly. Getting it from the counterfeit 00:05:04.730 --> 00:05:07.329 instead of the real. Absolutely, yes. And it 00:05:07.329 --> 00:05:10.819 wasn't until I actually... did have a face -to 00:05:10.819 --> 00:05:13.160 -face encounter with God that I began to realize 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:16.399 the difference. The best high I ever got was 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:20.259 in God. Yeah. The best feeling from any manifesting 00:05:20.259 --> 00:05:24.120 spirit. And free, yeah. Just cost me the rest 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:30.259 of my life. Yes, that's true. Yeah. So, Princess, 00:05:30.379 --> 00:05:32.759 give us a little bit of your background. Yeah, 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:35.040 I was brought up in a place called Auckland. 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:38.139 I was born in Auckland. I am from a place called 00:05:38.139 --> 00:05:40.839 Rotorua. It's where all the bubbly pools happen. 00:05:41.019 --> 00:05:44.120 Oh, okay. It's a big tourist place. I was only 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:46.860 brought up in New Zealand right up to the age 00:05:46.860 --> 00:05:50.579 of eight and just turning nine. Then my parents 00:05:50.579 --> 00:05:55.259 moved to Australia at the age of nine years old. 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:58.509 But I grew up in a Christian home. Oh. Yeah, 00:05:58.589 --> 00:06:01.589 we were taught right from the get -go who God 00:06:01.589 --> 00:06:04.230 was and how to have a relationship with God. 00:06:04.670 --> 00:06:08.470 And at a very young age, we were trained to train 00:06:08.470 --> 00:06:10.889 our spirit man at a very young age. Okay, and 00:06:10.889 --> 00:06:13.089 you're Maori, right? Yes, I'm Maori, yes, and 00:06:13.089 --> 00:06:16.490 both parents are Maori. And so we moved to Australia 00:06:16.490 --> 00:06:20.290 and also got into, I fell a lot because I was 00:06:20.290 --> 00:06:24.370 sexually abused at the age of six. Oh, no. For 00:06:24.370 --> 00:06:28.139 a while from my uncle and my husband. Turns out 00:06:28.139 --> 00:06:32.519 to be a great story. Because I stand in victory 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:35.279 and I'm not a victim. I'm a victim. I stand in 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:38.139 victory. Beautiful. So, yeah. So, yeah, and that 00:06:38.139 --> 00:06:42.019 happened. So that sort of had me blind for a 00:06:42.019 --> 00:06:45.019 long time. So I adopted a lot of bad behaviours 00:06:45.019 --> 00:06:48.000 along the way because of the cause of that. But, 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:50.839 however, it's still my power of choice. Right. 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:54.279 So I got into some drugs and lots of it and I 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:58.759 ended up selling at a young age. Age 13, I started 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:01.480 selling. I'd get out of my school uniform, walk 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:05.139 into the pub, and then start selling drugs in 00:07:05.139 --> 00:07:09.439 Sydney, Australia. Wow. And they all knew I was 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:13.000 young, but who I worked for, they would never 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:15.939 ever question it. So the family I was working 00:07:15.939 --> 00:07:18.259 for, you would never ever question it. A family. 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:20.639 A family, that's correct. That's a key word, 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:23.100 a family. That's correct, a family. And we're 00:07:23.100 --> 00:07:24.839 not talking about your father or mother. No, 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:30.079 no, no, no. La familia. I worked for them for 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:32.959 25 years and I moved in the ranks very quickly. 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:37.000 Wow. And I ended up overseeing prostitute homes 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:42.769 and illegal casinos in Sydney. Well, Sandy, did 00:07:42.769 --> 00:07:46.610 you know what you were marrying into? No. No, 00:07:46.649 --> 00:07:48.649 no, actually, God. Actually, it's better you 00:07:48.649 --> 00:07:51.430 don't know these things. I didn't tell him until 00:07:51.430 --> 00:07:57.529 he put the ring on me. No, I think I got blindsided 00:07:57.529 --> 00:07:59.689 by God there. He showed me her future, not her 00:07:59.689 --> 00:08:04.810 past. Pause, Selah, pause and think about that. 00:08:05.389 --> 00:08:08.209 Because that's really where we need to be living, 00:08:08.310 --> 00:08:10.990 looking at people, not at their past, but where 00:08:10.990 --> 00:08:14.129 God's taking them. And that's key to your story. 00:08:14.310 --> 00:08:17.290 That's correct. That's the success of our story. 00:08:17.449 --> 00:08:22.050 Yes. So we ended up doing that. And then one 00:08:22.050 --> 00:08:24.389 day I had an encounter with God because I knew 00:08:24.389 --> 00:08:27.370 as a young child what it felt like to get a touch 00:08:27.370 --> 00:08:30.709 from the Lord. Wow. And so we learned this very 00:08:30.709 --> 00:08:33.929 young. And so when I was in my bedroom, 3 o 'clock 00:08:33.929 --> 00:08:36.220 in the morning, I got in touch with the Lord, 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:38.559 and I had an encounter. And I went like this. 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:42.179 I went, if that's you, okay, I know it's you. 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:46.759 Send me someone to my door. I want B &B music. 00:08:46.779 --> 00:08:50.259 I don't want hymns. Send me to a real cool church. 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:56.299 That was my list. And first thing in the morning, 00:08:56.460 --> 00:09:00.000 someone came to my door, and it was my niece. 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:05.320 And I was still a bit high. And so she said, 00:09:05.379 --> 00:09:08.700 oh, auntie, you need to come in for a baptism. 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:12.460 We're baptizing my daughter. No, they call it 00:09:12.460 --> 00:09:14.559 a blessing over there, eh? Because she was only 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:17.580 two years old or something. Oh, like dedication. 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.779 Dedication, that's it. So I said, oh, no, I'm 00:09:20.779 --> 00:09:23.659 too stoned. I'm too drunk. Oh, no, can't do it. 00:09:24.500 --> 00:09:26.480 Last thing I want to do is walk into a church, 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:28.419 not thinking what happened to me at 3 o 'clock 00:09:28.419 --> 00:09:31.519 in the morning. You forgot. And then she demanded 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:34.440 it. She goes, Auntie, get in that shower, wash 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:36.740 it off, and get to that church because you're 00:09:36.740 --> 00:09:42.379 one of the godparents. Oh! You don't want a drug 00:09:42.379 --> 00:09:45.370 head of an auntie to be one of your kids. And 00:09:45.370 --> 00:09:47.450 he goes, no, auntie, come on, let's go. So she 00:09:47.450 --> 00:09:50.669 was also looking at your future? Yes. She forced 00:09:50.669 --> 00:09:52.710 me, practically forced me to get in the car. 00:09:52.830 --> 00:09:55.649 So I had a shower. She waited. She jumped in 00:09:55.649 --> 00:09:58.549 the car, and we had baby in there, and I'm sitting 00:09:58.549 --> 00:10:02.970 there grudgingly in the back of the church, and 00:10:02.970 --> 00:10:05.250 I'm going, can we hurry up and just pour this 00:10:05.250 --> 00:10:08.029 water over this baby and finish this already? 00:10:08.629 --> 00:10:10.490 I don't want to feed. I don't need your food. 00:10:10.529 --> 00:10:15.509 I just want to go. Wow. And I get up. And I leave, 00:10:15.710 --> 00:10:18.029 and I get to the door, and I fell to my knees. 00:10:18.129 --> 00:10:21.710 The same sensation came over my body from head 00:10:21.710 --> 00:10:26.049 to toe, and I fell at the door. Wow. And that 00:10:26.049 --> 00:10:30.330 began the journey with God. Wow. I was never 00:10:30.330 --> 00:10:33.230 the same ever again. Wow. How wonderful. I know. 00:10:33.509 --> 00:10:36.769 So you hadn't met Sandy yet? No. Pastor Jack 00:10:36.769 --> 00:10:39.929 Harris was my first engagement. He came over, 00:10:40.090 --> 00:10:43.690 helped me up, and he said, welcome home. Wow. 00:10:44.750 --> 00:10:48.190 And I'm going, what? What are you doing? No, 00:10:48.250 --> 00:10:50.970 don't touch me. I know how you trick people into 00:10:50.970 --> 00:10:54.450 coming to your church. No, it's okay. Do you 00:10:54.450 --> 00:10:58.029 want us to drive you home? No, I can't go home. 00:10:58.549 --> 00:11:01.529 This is something else. So I sat there. It was 00:11:01.529 --> 00:11:05.330 the right music that I liked. And it was a cool 00:11:05.330 --> 00:11:08.690 church. And that's where most of my maturing 00:11:08.690 --> 00:11:11.090 happened, I suppose you could call it. Training 00:11:11.090 --> 00:11:14.399 happened. and how to train my spirit man and, 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:17.700 yeah, work for the right people. Wow. Isn't that 00:11:17.700 --> 00:11:19.759 something? Yeah, so I went to go and finish that 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:23.600 25 -year job and I had to go and see Dad, Papa, 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:28.200 we used to call him. And he was, sat there and 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:30.840 I told him, I said, I'm moving on, I'm moving 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:34.559 into a new space. And he goes, well, what do 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:36.840 you mean new space? What are you doing? I give 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:38.639 you lots of money, I give you houses, give you 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:42.610 cars. What's wrong? Yeah, this is something a 00:11:42.610 --> 00:11:47.730 bit richer than that. Oh, wow. And he goes, what 00:11:47.730 --> 00:11:49.990 are you talking about? You can't do this. Because 00:11:49.990 --> 00:11:53.409 I made him a lot of money over the years, millions. 00:11:53.769 --> 00:11:57.750 Wow. My last job with him was getting drugs into 00:11:57.750 --> 00:12:01.690 high schools. Oh, wow. And I did about five high 00:12:01.690 --> 00:12:05.230 schools at the time. So when he gave me a task, 00:12:05.350 --> 00:12:08.519 I did it. And I made sure I completed it. And 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:10.639 that was the last time. I said, no, I can't do 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:15.519 this anymore. Something happened to me. And he 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:17.799 goes, what happened to you? What's wrong? What's 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:22.559 the matter? I got a touch. I had an encounter 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:26.860 with God. And I know you know who God is. Wow. 00:12:27.100 --> 00:12:29.820 I know you know him because you're Lebanese. 00:12:30.379 --> 00:12:34.080 Oh, yeah. You know him. And so I had an encounter 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:37.350 with God. And his face just looked like, and 00:12:37.350 --> 00:12:41.210 he goes, okay, straight away. Wow. It's not like 00:12:41.210 --> 00:12:44.470 you got adopted by a different family. No. No. 00:12:44.490 --> 00:12:48.090 Well, you did get adopted by God's family. Sometimes 00:12:48.090 --> 00:12:50.990 if you leave something like that, they don't 00:12:50.990 --> 00:12:54.750 let you go in other ways. It was a two -year 00:12:54.750 --> 00:12:58.970 process, so you can't leave them like that. You 00:12:58.970 --> 00:13:01.419 just have to do it. what they call a two -year 00:13:01.419 --> 00:13:04.679 process. Really? A stand -down. And if any of 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:08.440 the companies or any of the organisations got 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:13.179 busted, they'll come for you. Oh. But I was one 00:13:13.179 --> 00:13:15.279 of his most trusted. I moved through the ranks 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:17.879 very quickly and made him a lot of money. I knew 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:22.539 too much. I knew way too much to, you know, easily 00:13:22.539 --> 00:13:26.240 the police could have come to me and I said to 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:28.990 them that I would never. Even if I'm a Christian, 00:13:29.169 --> 00:13:32.110 I would never, ever do that to you. He goes, 00:13:32.190 --> 00:13:35.629 I have to still give you two years. Okay, no 00:13:35.629 --> 00:13:38.490 worries. It's okay. So you continued to work 00:13:38.490 --> 00:13:40.649 for two years? No, no, no. He let you off? You 00:13:40.649 --> 00:13:43.590 stand down. But if any of the companies, you 00:13:43.590 --> 00:13:46.490 leave. Oh, yeah. You exit. But if any of the 00:13:46.490 --> 00:13:50.649 companies get broken into or get busted by the 00:13:50.649 --> 00:13:54.750 police, you take the fall. Oh, I see. Because 00:13:54.750 --> 00:13:57.960 you're the last one to leave the nest. Wow. Yeah. 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:00.779 Oh, wow. One of the things that I just want to 00:14:00.779 --> 00:14:04.460 encourage everybody with there, because a lot 00:14:04.460 --> 00:14:06.379 of times we don't hear about the background. 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:11.120 And the background with Princess was that her 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:16.039 mother was a faithful servant of God. She was 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:19.440 an intercessor. Yeah. Wow. And she prayed for 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:22.860 all of her children. In actual fact. The Lord 00:14:22.860 --> 00:14:26.500 kept her alive to see all of her children come 00:14:26.500 --> 00:14:29.340 out of whatever they were doing and come to the 00:14:29.340 --> 00:14:32.019 Lord. Wow. And that was the last one through 00:14:32.019 --> 00:14:35.019 the gates. The reason she got saved is, yes, 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:39.440 God moved on her, but he was a faithful God to 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:41.720 a faithful woman. And I just want to encourage 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:45.019 any parents or any grandparents out there that 00:14:45.019 --> 00:14:47.139 are listening to this, and if you've got children 00:14:47.139 --> 00:14:50.279 that are in drugs or going through some really 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:54.159 bad stuff, Don't stop praying for them. You are 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.080 their salvation. You are the one speaking life 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.539 into their lives. Don't stop. Pray until something 00:15:01.539 --> 00:15:05.059 happens. Absolutely. Beautiful. And then keep 00:15:05.059 --> 00:15:09.360 on praying. Yes, yes. And so there began the 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.259 journey of my journey with God. Hung out with 00:15:13.259 --> 00:15:16.799 intercessors for a while to teach me how to connect 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:20.879 and how to communicate. And then I met Sandy. 00:15:21.259 --> 00:15:26.620 It wasn't a very nice meeting. She was still 00:15:26.620 --> 00:15:30.779 pretty raw. Very raw. We won't talk about that. 00:15:31.620 --> 00:15:37.440 But names were called. Right across the church. 00:15:37.620 --> 00:15:40.419 It was not very nice. And so what happened was 00:15:40.419 --> 00:15:44.879 I had to have him over. My mum, she goes, what 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:48.519 did you, did you just say something nasty? Well, 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:50.559 he is. He touched me on the shoulder and told 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:52.980 me not to try and sing the words. Anyway, she 00:15:52.980 --> 00:15:58.399 said, oh, we love Sandy in this church. Sandy 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:02.179 is highly respected. And we all call him the 00:16:02.179 --> 00:16:05.120 PP. Do you know what that is? The pastor's pet. 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:10.580 And so he was favoured by everybody. And his 00:16:10.580 --> 00:16:14.019 old Miss Princess comes along and works his stuff. 00:16:14.139 --> 00:16:17.259 But what happened was we had a forgiveness lunch. 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:23.820 I was invited to it at my house. I walk in, they're 00:16:23.820 --> 00:16:27.720 all there. The food was all out. Sandy was there 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:30.220 and all my aunties and my aunties and my sister 00:16:30.220 --> 00:16:33.779 and my mum. And I go, what's going on here? I've 00:16:33.779 --> 00:16:36.220 got to go and get ready for a party tonight. 00:16:36.899 --> 00:16:39.460 And he goes, you've just been to church. And 00:16:39.460 --> 00:16:42.370 I, yeah. One step in, one step out, you know. 00:16:42.769 --> 00:16:47.429 It's a process, isn't it? So she said to him, 00:16:47.549 --> 00:16:50.889 they were very disgusted of me because I was 00:16:50.889 --> 00:16:54.289 sort of drunk as I was going to church in Stone 00:16:54.289 --> 00:16:57.690 and I'm eating away there. But Sandy, it was 00:16:57.690 --> 00:17:01.070 Sandy, he sat there and as they were martyring 00:17:01.070 --> 00:17:05.690 me and being disappointed in me, Sandy said, 00:17:05.809 --> 00:17:09.049 I don't see that. And then that's where God... 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:12.660 It showed. Gave me a vision of what she was going 00:17:12.660 --> 00:17:15.180 to be in the future. Wow. And that vision was 00:17:15.180 --> 00:17:17.779 so strong and so clear. I couldn't stand her. 00:17:19.019 --> 00:17:21.019 A lot of people ask me, well, what do you think 00:17:21.019 --> 00:17:23.900 about Princess? And I thought, to be nice, I 00:17:23.900 --> 00:17:28.640 just said, not my cup of tea. Because you can't 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:30.640 say something sometimes. You've just got to be 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:34.880 polite about it. But there's just no way on earth 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:39.379 was I going to be involved with that lady. But 00:17:39.379 --> 00:17:43.019 at that lunchtime dinner, the mother and the 00:17:43.019 --> 00:17:46.420 sisters were berating her in a terrible way. 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:49.240 And actually, it was quite shocking to see these 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:51.619 Christian ladies speaking this way to their daughter. 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:55.240 So God was very clear in what he showed me, what 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:57.880 she was going to be like, this awesome, wonderful, 00:17:58.220 --> 00:18:02.119 powerful woman in God. And I actually said to 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:04.099 him in that process, when I saw that, I said, 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:10.410 that I could marry. Wow. And yet there was no 00:18:10.410 --> 00:18:13.029 way was I looking at her any way like that at 00:18:13.029 --> 00:18:15.869 all. No way, shape, or form. It was just like, 00:18:15.950 --> 00:18:19.470 you've got to be kidding me. Well, God was kidding 00:18:19.470 --> 00:18:23.650 me, all right. He got me. He blindsided me with 00:18:23.650 --> 00:18:26.089 his view. So how long did it take before you 00:18:26.089 --> 00:18:28.650 two got married? How long was this? That was 00:18:28.650 --> 00:18:33.099 probably about 13 or 14 months. Is that all? 00:18:33.299 --> 00:18:37.500 Yeah. Wow. God did a quick work. Yes. There was 00:18:37.500 --> 00:18:40.359 a reason for it too. We ended up getting quite 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:42.960 a few missions, ministries together, eh? And 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:47.259 it was what we called tangis, funerals. So Māoris 00:18:47.259 --> 00:18:50.960 have funerals in a different way. We sleep with 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:54.420 our... With our past. So they're in a coffin 00:18:54.420 --> 00:18:56.500 and we sleep right around them. Oh, wow. For 00:18:56.500 --> 00:18:58.339 the last three nights. Like a massive wake for 00:18:58.339 --> 00:19:00.539 three days. Yeah, like a massive wake. Three 00:19:00.539 --> 00:19:02.460 nights we sleep with them. Kind of like sitting 00:19:02.460 --> 00:19:06.119 Shiva. Something like that. Yes. Only with Shiva, 00:19:06.180 --> 00:19:08.539 sitting Shiva among the Israelis or the Jewish 00:19:08.539 --> 00:19:11.799 people. They bury immediately and then they spend 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:15.220 the time together with the family. Oh. Yeah, 00:19:15.259 --> 00:19:18.099 well, we spend the time with the body. With the 00:19:18.099 --> 00:19:21.990 body. Tell the stories. Oh, yeah, background 00:19:21.990 --> 00:19:25.690 knowledge. Yeah, and then we got that ministry 00:19:25.690 --> 00:19:30.029 together. Oh, it was such a joy. It was so good 00:19:30.029 --> 00:19:33.230 because we saw quite a few souls come through 00:19:33.230 --> 00:19:38.569 that ministry. And also we also took on the Mums 00:19:38.569 --> 00:19:41.849 on the Move, which was a sports team, an evangelistic. 00:19:42.210 --> 00:19:45.269 So there was only one of us. And the worst thing 00:19:45.269 --> 00:19:48.589 about it, our pastor comes over and he sits me 00:19:48.589 --> 00:19:51.579 down. And at this time, I couldn't stand our 00:19:51.579 --> 00:19:54.460 pastor either. And I was going, what do you want? 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:57.099 What's happening? And I had no respect, no honor. 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:02.019 They knew each other as children. Yeah. Yeah, 00:20:02.140 --> 00:20:05.460 yeah. You were locked in the past. That's correct. 00:20:05.819 --> 00:20:08.339 I was always looking at her past, what she was. 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:12.000 And so I learned very dearly to listen to that. 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:14.700 Anyway, so she goes, oh, you're going to be a 00:20:14.700 --> 00:20:16.980 cell leader. I said, you know I'm still smoking 00:20:16.980 --> 00:20:20.299 dope, don't you? Because I was always transparent. 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:22.359 I was always honest with them. I didn't like 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:26.140 hiding things. And they said, oh, yes, but God 00:20:26.140 --> 00:20:28.420 said that it's you. And you and I are going to 00:20:28.420 --> 00:20:31.160 be cell leaders together. But it's not any normal 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:34.500 cell group. And I'm going, oh, here we go. The 00:20:34.500 --> 00:20:36.960 joke gets better. And then she turns around and 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:39.779 she says, it's going to be a cell group that 00:20:39.779 --> 00:20:45.880 are unsaved people. I went, great. But I had 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:50.009 dreams. I had dreams after about a month, and 00:20:50.009 --> 00:20:52.450 mine are very, very clear, and I remember them 00:20:52.450 --> 00:20:56.490 all. And so when I dreamt this, I dreamt of this 00:20:56.490 --> 00:20:59.150 team, these people, and I was playing sports 00:20:59.150 --> 00:21:02.690 with them. So she took me physically. In real 00:21:02.690 --> 00:21:06.289 time, she took me to the stadium, and we sat 00:21:06.289 --> 00:21:09.230 there. No one was in the stadium. We sit there, 00:21:09.289 --> 00:21:11.150 and I'm going, what are we sitting here for? 00:21:11.509 --> 00:21:15.230 She goes, just wait. So this lady comes walking 00:21:15.230 --> 00:21:19.380 in. One lady and I looked over and, oh, what, 00:21:19.539 --> 00:21:23.000 what's wrong? That lady was in my dream. Oh, 00:21:23.019 --> 00:21:27.599 wow. She was, she was goal shooter. No, I swear, 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:30.579 I swear. And I'm going like that to my spouse 00:21:30.579 --> 00:21:33.519 and she goes, oh. And then another woman, oh, 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:37.519 my goodness, that lady was centre. Wow. All the 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:39.900 team members that I dreamt of came through the 00:21:39.900 --> 00:21:45.279 door. Oh, my. And I said, oh, my gosh, this bleep. 00:21:45.710 --> 00:21:52.630 Really works. And she goes, what did you just 00:21:52.630 --> 00:21:57.029 say? This bleep really works. I have to tell 00:21:57.029 --> 00:21:58.930 you, it's taken 20 years to get that bleep in 00:21:58.930 --> 00:22:03.730 there. And she goes, go to the toilet, wash your 00:22:03.730 --> 00:22:07.130 face, come back out. And I'm nervous and I go, 00:22:07.230 --> 00:22:09.670 now what? Now what do we do? And she goes, go 00:22:09.670 --> 00:22:12.430 over there and everything will just flow out. 00:22:13.619 --> 00:22:16.200 You go over there. Don't send me in the lion's 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:20.960 den. You go. No, you know all the Bible. You 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:24.539 know how to pray. You're the theologian. You 00:22:24.539 --> 00:22:27.859 get over there. And she goes, oh, gosh, get up. 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:30.960 and walk over, everything will come to you. It's 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:34.640 because you had the dream. Yeah. So that's right. 00:22:35.059 --> 00:22:37.940 Well, she could have told me that. Anyway, she 00:22:37.940 --> 00:22:41.859 walks over and I'm going, Kia ora, hello. In 00:22:41.859 --> 00:22:45.000 other words, hello. My name's Princess and I'm 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:49.079 looking for a team. And, you know, to play with. 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:51.359 And she goes, oh, we're just making up one now. 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:55.019 You can join us. Wow. I said, oh, thank you. 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:57.079 She goes, well, can you play? I'm an all -rounder. 00:22:57.789 --> 00:23:00.849 What's that? All around is a shooter, center, 00:23:01.130 --> 00:23:05.190 defense. I can play anywhere. So what game is 00:23:05.190 --> 00:23:07.789 this we're talking about? This is a multi -sports. 00:23:08.230 --> 00:23:12.049 So you play netball one week, you play basketball 00:23:12.049 --> 00:23:14.750 the next week, you play volleyball the next week, 00:23:14.769 --> 00:23:17.609 and then indoor soccer. Wow. So it's a multi 00:23:17.609 --> 00:23:19.650 -sports. Oh, okay. Wow, I've never heard of that. 00:23:19.690 --> 00:23:22.750 So these women that I was playing with were mothers 00:23:22.750 --> 00:23:27.279 that stay home looking after babies. Oh. So we 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:32.279 called the team Mums on the Move. Cut a long 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:34.839 story short, three months later, four generations 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:38.680 of each member of that team came to the Lord. 00:23:38.819 --> 00:23:43.519 Wow. Their parents, them, three generations, 00:23:43.740 --> 00:23:48.259 and their children. In church, praising the Lord 00:23:48.259 --> 00:23:52.400 three months. That's how God works. Wow. As a 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:54.579 result of that, we actually had to step into 00:23:54.579 --> 00:23:58.609 discipleship. Sure. That's the next thing. Yeah, 00:23:58.630 --> 00:24:02.210 absolutely. And we were the ones, because of 00:24:02.210 --> 00:24:04.769 our connection to them, we were the ones that 00:24:04.769 --> 00:24:07.789 were doing the discipling for all of them. Wow. 00:24:08.049 --> 00:24:10.789 And the awesome thing out of that, out of those 00:24:10.789 --> 00:24:15.410 people came cell group leaders, worship leaders, 00:24:15.589 --> 00:24:20.049 and pastors. Wow. So, you know, we got this revelation 00:24:20.049 --> 00:24:23.549 out of that, that God was using us to train up 00:24:23.549 --> 00:24:26.880 a new generation of leaders. Glory to God. And 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:29.900 so we did not really understand that at the time 00:24:29.900 --> 00:24:32.180 because you just do what God gives you to do. 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:34.539 Exactly, day by day. But when you see the fruit, 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:37.619 it becomes fairly evident what your purpose is. 00:24:37.859 --> 00:24:43.220 And I got to the stage where over half the church 00:24:43.220 --> 00:24:46.700 were our disciples. Wow. And this actually begins 00:24:46.700 --> 00:24:49.460 to create a different dynamic within a church 00:24:49.460 --> 00:24:52.640 as well because now your disciples are asking, 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:55.019 why isn't everybody else doing what you're doing? 00:24:56.729 --> 00:24:59.089 And that's a very serious question. I said, well, 00:24:59.089 --> 00:25:02.130 stop looking at what other people are doing and 00:25:02.130 --> 00:25:05.329 just do what we're showing you and worry about 00:25:05.329 --> 00:25:07.630 that. Because it's not what they're doing, it's 00:25:07.630 --> 00:25:11.109 what you're doing. And so that became, but we 00:25:11.109 --> 00:25:13.950 knew then that things had got to a stage where 00:25:13.950 --> 00:25:16.730 now the influence that we were having in the 00:25:16.730 --> 00:25:19.690 church was actually. creating a very dangerous 00:25:19.690 --> 00:25:22.269 dynamic. Right. And we've seen a lot of church 00:25:22.269 --> 00:25:26.009 splits in the past. Yeah. So really it was probably 00:25:26.009 --> 00:25:28.829 time for us to move on before something like 00:25:28.829 --> 00:25:31.509 that actually happened. And then the Lord sent 00:25:31.509 --> 00:25:33.430 us on mission, and I was really glad for that. 00:25:33.569 --> 00:25:36.009 So were you married yet? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, 00:25:36.029 --> 00:25:39.069 we were married. We missed that little detail. 00:25:39.329 --> 00:25:42.190 Oh, yeah, we were well into our marriage then. 00:25:42.289 --> 00:25:46.829 Okay. But we ended up, so I flew over to New 00:25:46.829 --> 00:25:51.359 Zealand. At this time. And we know for a month, 00:25:51.460 --> 00:25:53.740 we had two boys at the time. They were seven 00:25:53.740 --> 00:25:57.700 and six. And so we got up into the plane. We 00:25:57.700 --> 00:26:00.779 were up flying into Nelson. And next minute God 00:26:00.779 --> 00:26:04.539 says, you're coming home. And I went, what do 00:26:04.539 --> 00:26:06.799 you mean, home? Because my connection to God 00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:09.500 is good and I'm matured a bit. All the drugs 00:26:09.500 --> 00:26:12.119 are gone. All the alcohol's gone. All those stuff 00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.960 that's gone. All the world stuff. And I went, 00:26:14.980 --> 00:26:19.809 what? Did I hear right? You're coming home. You're 00:26:19.809 --> 00:26:23.829 not going back to Australia. I'm planting you 00:26:23.829 --> 00:26:27.609 here in New Zealand. So I get there and I ended 00:26:27.609 --> 00:26:31.250 up going to Nelson. We were in a caravan and, 00:26:31.250 --> 00:26:34.369 you know, had our holiday. And then I was praying 00:26:34.369 --> 00:26:37.390 with the boys. We had a prayer night and I said, 00:26:37.450 --> 00:26:39.690 I want you to go to Wellington. The Lord said? 00:26:40.150 --> 00:26:43.799 Wellington, yeah. And Wellington, I've learned 00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:46.519 this, is at the south end of the North Island 00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:49.299 and it's the farthest capital from Jerusalem. 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:51.819 That's correct. And it's the capital city of 00:26:51.819 --> 00:26:54.700 New York. That's right, capital. And so Nelson 00:26:54.700 --> 00:26:57.420 is just across the way. Okay. Across the water 00:26:57.420 --> 00:27:01.079 on the South Island, top of the South. So I fled 00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:04.440 to Wellington and that's where we ended up getting 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:09.079 based at Pumari. I was still living in Australia. 00:27:09.500 --> 00:27:12.509 Right. Sandy was still working in Australia. 00:27:13.710 --> 00:27:17.930 We were here for a holiday. And then I go to, 00:27:18.069 --> 00:27:21.450 I want to cut out a lot of detail. I ended up 00:27:21.450 --> 00:27:24.630 going to the airport, stood at Wellington Airport. 00:27:25.529 --> 00:27:28.509 And this woman comes by and it was my sister 00:27:28.509 --> 00:27:31.230 -in -law. And I said, how did you know it was 00:27:31.230 --> 00:27:33.450 me? Because we'd just seen your wedding photos. 00:27:34.509 --> 00:27:37.740 And I went, what? And she goes, are you here? 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:40.599 Where's Sandy? Where's Joel and Jerome, our sons? 00:27:41.380 --> 00:27:43.619 And I told her and I said, what are you here 00:27:43.619 --> 00:27:45.460 for? You've got family. And I went, no, you're 00:27:45.460 --> 00:27:48.579 it. Who's picking you up? No, you're it. Can 00:27:48.579 --> 00:27:51.660 I hitchhike a ride with you? And I'll try and 00:27:51.660 --> 00:27:55.640 explain the best way I can. Oh, wow. The best 00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:59.240 way I can. So you just flew from Nelson to Wellington 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:01.799 and you didn't have any connections. No, that 00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:05.039 was one of those miracle encounters that you 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:08.720 hear about. And then next minute, you know, and 00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:10.700 I said, I hope I didn't look like that on my 00:28:10.700 --> 00:28:15.220 wedding photos. Because she just finished looking 00:28:15.220 --> 00:28:17.599 and I said, so I jump in the car. She drives 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:20.559 me to, I said, I don't want you breaking your 00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:23.920 plan. I just want you to drive and I'll explain. 00:28:25.009 --> 00:28:27.809 And I said, I want to buy a cheap and nasty home 00:28:27.809 --> 00:28:31.710 here. Cheap and nasty. I don't care if it's flash. 00:28:32.650 --> 00:28:36.210 I just want to buy a cheap and nasty. And she 00:28:36.210 --> 00:28:39.730 goes, okay. I didn't know Sandy, you and Sandy 00:28:39.730 --> 00:28:41.890 were coming back to New Zealand. So didn't I 00:28:41.890 --> 00:28:46.710 until about a day ago up in the air. So do you 00:28:46.710 --> 00:28:48.650 know any places that are selling their homes 00:28:48.650 --> 00:28:52.750 cheap and nasty? And I said, I've got the place. 00:28:53.879 --> 00:28:58.220 So she drives me to this place called Housing 00:28:58.220 --> 00:29:00.920 New Zealand. It's a state home place. Sort of 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.099 like low income. That's correct. Low income. 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:05.119 That's what we call it in the States. So I went, 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.640 oh, okay. So she explained herself and, oh no, 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:12.220 I earn too much money to be in your homes. And 00:29:12.220 --> 00:29:15.859 she said to me, well, let me be the judge of 00:29:15.859 --> 00:29:18.559 it. We got an appointment straight away. You're 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:21.390 supposed to have an appointment first. And I 00:29:21.390 --> 00:29:24.369 cold called them and she came out and she sat 00:29:24.369 --> 00:29:28.309 me down. And then she went through and she goes, 00:29:28.349 --> 00:29:31.490 well, let me be the judge of it and we'll go 00:29:31.490 --> 00:29:35.950 through, tick the box. So you said you're staying, 00:29:36.049 --> 00:29:39.609 sleeping in a caravan with your two sons? Yes. 00:29:40.630 --> 00:29:46.369 Tick. And I'm like this. And your husband is 00:29:46.369 --> 00:29:52.740 back in Australia? Yes, tick. Oh, I can't come 00:29:52.740 --> 00:29:56.160 in like that. Oh, no, no. Listen, darling, could 00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:59.440 you get the manager and just oversee this application? 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:02.539 Because one thing I don't want to do is get you 00:30:02.539 --> 00:30:04.440 in trouble, and I don't want to come in the wrong 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.940 way. I'm a pastor's wife. Could you imagine it? 00:30:09.299 --> 00:30:11.819 My husband won't be happy, and so won't God. 00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:17.299 Anyway, she goes, I am the regional manager. 00:30:20.439 --> 00:30:25.900 And I went, oh, okay. And I'm going like this, 00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:29.119 can I just have a moment? Is this you, Lord? 00:30:29.579 --> 00:30:32.440 Really? Do you do this sort of thing? Like I'm 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:35.019 talking like that in my mind. And I'm covering 00:30:35.019 --> 00:30:38.460 my face and going, really, Lord? And it was. 00:30:39.099 --> 00:30:43.799 Wow. But she said to me that you can only rent 00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:46.160 through us and get first preference of the buy. 00:30:46.700 --> 00:30:49.920 the purchase if you rent. But you've got to meet 00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:53.079 our criteria. That was it, tick the box. And 00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.599 I got it. So I flew in at 10, flew out at 1 o 00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.160 'clock with a key in my hand. Oh, my. Never mind 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:06.380 the 18 -month waiting list. Did you know that 00:31:06.380 --> 00:31:08.420 she was doing this? Oh, wait, I'm not getting 00:31:08.420 --> 00:31:14.180 to that yet. I ring him, and I'm going, I can't 00:31:14.180 --> 00:31:18.559 believe this, baby. He goes, well. Hold it, hold 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:20.940 it, hold it. You're more connected than I am 00:31:20.940 --> 00:31:24.200 because you're the favourite one. Did you know 00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:26.880 we were coming back to New Zealand to stay? Did 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.579 God tell you? And there was a long pause and 00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:32.900 I knew straight away. He goes, yes. How long 00:31:32.900 --> 00:31:35.279 have you known? Five years. I thought we had 00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:39.720 no secrets in this marriage. And he goes, darling, 00:31:39.859 --> 00:31:43.380 I couldn't tell you. I said to God, you need 00:31:43.380 --> 00:31:46.859 to tell your daughter. Wow. So where did he tell 00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:50.539 you? In the plane with the two boys. I felt like 00:31:50.539 --> 00:31:55.660 a single parent at the time. And he goes, wow. 00:31:55.980 --> 00:31:59.960 And he goes, well, I got us a place. Well, God 00:31:59.960 --> 00:32:04.319 got us a place. He's opened the door. But we're 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:08.039 going to purchase it in a few months. Anyway, 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.779 so I turned around and I said, it's at a place 00:32:10.779 --> 00:32:15.009 called Pomari. And he goes, spell it. Spell it, 00:32:15.029 --> 00:32:16.450 princess, and I spelt it. And you know where 00:32:16.450 --> 00:32:21.450 it was, right? And he goes, Pumari. That's the 00:32:21.450 --> 00:32:25.410 proper pronunciation. And I went, yeah, I think 00:32:25.410 --> 00:32:28.150 so. And then he goes, yes, and he's bouncing 00:32:28.150 --> 00:32:31.069 up and down. He's screaming. He's going, yes, 00:32:31.170 --> 00:32:33.470 that's where the gangs are. That's where I used 00:32:33.470 --> 00:32:38.910 to smoke a lot of drugs. Yes. And I went, what 00:32:38.910 --> 00:32:43.390 does that mean? Are we going back into the world? 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.940 And he goes, no, no, we're going to go in a different 00:32:46.940 --> 00:32:51.779 man, a new man. Wow. And so that's where we got 00:32:51.779 --> 00:32:54.480 our first engagement. We moved in less than a 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.720 year. We packed up the houses and we were told 00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.259 to give everything away. Give everything away 00:33:00.259 --> 00:33:03.599 and come only with your clothes. Right? Yep. 00:33:04.970 --> 00:33:09.690 Coffee machine. Oh, yeah. Can't leave that behind. 00:33:09.809 --> 00:33:12.910 He allowed you that one. Oh, I don't know about 00:33:12.910 --> 00:33:16.349 that. That cost me a year. You've got to be very 00:33:16.349 --> 00:33:18.369 careful when God gives you instructions. You've 00:33:18.369 --> 00:33:20.230 got to follow them. He must have been a very 00:33:20.230 --> 00:33:23.509 nice coffee machine. I didn't think New Zealand 00:33:23.509 --> 00:33:27.269 had any. Wow. That's why it's all done. Oh, okay. 00:33:27.349 --> 00:33:30.049 That's why I brought it. It was British kind 00:33:30.049 --> 00:33:33.009 of tea. I know. It was the history. The lady 00:33:33.009 --> 00:33:37.470 at the airport, chicken, she lifts the bag up 00:33:37.470 --> 00:33:41.109 and says, oh, that's a pretty heavy bag. Yeah, 00:33:41.109 --> 00:33:45.910 and I said, I just bought new underwear. And 00:33:45.910 --> 00:33:49.849 she goes, pretty heavy underwear. They still 00:33:49.849 --> 00:33:56.180 got the price tag on it. So while she was getting 00:33:56.180 --> 00:33:59.539 the house sorted out, I was getting sorted out 00:33:59.539 --> 00:34:02.480 in Australia. And the Lord actually had me on 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:07.319 the floor most nights. And the last thing that 00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.500 he said to me before I came over to New Zealand 00:34:09.500 --> 00:34:13.179 was, woe be unto the pastors who lead my sheep 00:34:13.179 --> 00:34:18.699 astray. And I go, oh, I'm not worthy. I'm not 00:34:18.699 --> 00:34:21.619 worthy. I'm not going to be. No, you're a pastor, 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.099 but you don't lead my sheep astray. I said, okay, 00:34:24.179 --> 00:34:26.199 I'll just be a sheepdog. I'll lead them to you 00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:29.440 and let you sort it out from there. He's the 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:31.780 shepherd. He's the shepherd, absolutely. Yeah. 00:34:32.380 --> 00:34:36.099 And so in the process of moving into Pumari, 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.320 of course, the first thing we started doing was 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.539 praying for that community because it was. worst 00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:46.139 place to be living and it was terrible um we 00:34:46.139 --> 00:34:48.960 had to go in with nothing because we're moving 00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.699 into a community that has nothing yeah yeah and 00:34:52.699 --> 00:34:56.159 so immediately we transformed the house that 00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:59.059 we were living in by painting and and doing everything 00:34:59.059 --> 00:35:01.579 up and a lot of people you love to come to our 00:35:01.579 --> 00:35:04.340 house simply because it was like stepping into 00:35:04.340 --> 00:35:07.989 a new world you know because you You painted 00:35:07.989 --> 00:35:10.269 it up according to the lifestyle we were living 00:35:10.269 --> 00:35:13.170 in and used to in Australia, you know, with feature 00:35:13.170 --> 00:35:17.349 walls and nice leather lounge suites. And yet 00:35:17.349 --> 00:35:20.510 we came with nothing, but God provided a truckload 00:35:20.510 --> 00:35:25.769 of furniture for us as we were moving. We spent 00:35:25.769 --> 00:35:28.909 two weeks painting the place up ourselves. And 00:35:28.909 --> 00:35:30.570 of course, oh, you're getting free rent for that? 00:35:30.690 --> 00:35:33.789 No, no, no. We are living how we want to live. 00:35:34.569 --> 00:35:37.489 And so we set it up and the neighborhood began 00:35:37.489 --> 00:35:43.130 to use our place as a rest stop. Stepping out 00:35:43.130 --> 00:35:45.909 of that community and into our house was like 00:35:45.909 --> 00:35:47.869 walking into the TARDIS, they said. I don't know 00:35:47.869 --> 00:35:51.530 if you know the TARDIS. No. Dr. Who was a science 00:35:51.530 --> 00:35:55.409 fiction character who had this telephone box. 00:35:56.050 --> 00:36:00.769 It was actually a UFO. And it was about the size 00:36:00.769 --> 00:36:02.670 of a telephone box, and you walked inside it. 00:36:02.690 --> 00:36:05.150 It was like a city inside it almost. I don't 00:36:05.150 --> 00:36:07.710 think that show hit America. No, it was a British 00:36:07.710 --> 00:36:10.309 one. Yeah, I've heard of it, but I've never seen 00:36:10.309 --> 00:36:14.369 it. Anyway, so they found it was different, and 00:36:14.369 --> 00:36:17.110 a lot of people would come just for the piece. 00:36:17.449 --> 00:36:21.070 Wow. And that's how it began, just for the piece. 00:36:21.170 --> 00:36:24.940 But we had a pretty… quick and rough introduction 00:36:24.940 --> 00:36:28.119 to the community as Princess encountered the 00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:30.980 first visitor to our house. It was nothing to 00:36:30.980 --> 00:36:33.139 do with the churches or anything like that, but 00:36:33.139 --> 00:36:34.880 it was actually from one of the gang members' 00:36:35.059 --> 00:36:39.219 wives. Yeah, and she bought a box where I thought, 00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:42.400 a box of food, a box on the door to welcome me 00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.559 into the community. And then I thought it was 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:48.739 a donation week. So I just grabbed a tin of canned 00:36:48.739 --> 00:36:52.289 beans and just put it in the box. And she goes, 00:36:52.369 --> 00:36:54.869 no, you fool. It belongs to you. This is you. 00:36:55.909 --> 00:36:59.349 Welcome to our hood, you know. And I'm going, 00:36:59.469 --> 00:37:05.409 okay. Pretty flash hood. But even within the 00:37:05.409 --> 00:37:09.389 first month, there was three murders. A lot of 00:37:09.389 --> 00:37:12.989 alcohol, a lot of drugs, a lot of crime, a lot 00:37:12.989 --> 00:37:15.949 of theft, a lot of everything. Everything that 00:37:15.949 --> 00:37:20.260 the enemy likes. And we were dead centre in it. 00:37:20.340 --> 00:37:23.320 So before we get to our house, you've got to 00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:29.579 drive past their pad, their club, and then get 00:37:29.579 --> 00:37:32.940 into our driveway. So we see everything. And 00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:36.360 I went, whoa, this is like I'm getting punished. 00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:42.440 What seemed like exciting now turns into here 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:48.369 I'm coming in with a Bible and God. Crikey, they've 00:37:48.369 --> 00:37:51.130 got guns and stuff, you know. Yeah, wow. But 00:37:51.130 --> 00:37:54.750 he said, trust in me. Yeah. With all your heart, 00:37:54.750 --> 00:37:57.889 my girl. And I will open up the windows of heaven 00:37:57.889 --> 00:38:01.329 for you. Everything you put your hands to, I 00:38:01.329 --> 00:38:04.909 will bless. Beautiful. Because of your obedience 00:38:04.909 --> 00:38:08.469 coming here. Beautiful. And in that process, 00:38:08.710 --> 00:38:12.969 very quickly we managed to get into the local 00:38:12.969 --> 00:38:15.750 community house, which was... It's almost like 00:38:15.750 --> 00:38:19.429 the centre, the hub of the community. Of course, 00:38:19.429 --> 00:38:21.929 that meant all the gangsters were in and out 00:38:21.929 --> 00:38:24.690 of that house all the time. And they needed volunteers, 00:38:24.949 --> 00:38:27.090 so she went across and started volunteering. 00:38:27.650 --> 00:38:33.469 And we had our chance to start to work with these 00:38:33.469 --> 00:38:38.730 guys. And in that time, we got to bring about 00:38:38.730 --> 00:38:41.170 a whole lot of changes in people's lives simply 00:38:41.170 --> 00:38:44.179 by just... being there and loving on them going 00:38:44.179 --> 00:38:46.960 to the hospital when they're going to how many 00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.000 times we had to take the wives into the hospital 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.179 because they got beaten up oh my how many times 00:38:52.179 --> 00:38:54.360 we had to go and pick up the guys from the police 00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:57.079 station because they got hauled and drunk Oh, 00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.000 wow. And so that was our normal lifestyle for 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.579 a while. And you just serve the community, just 00:39:02.579 --> 00:39:06.619 love on them, start doing food parcels out. They 00:39:06.619 --> 00:39:09.500 came to us with a food parcel. All of that was 00:39:09.500 --> 00:39:11.420 organized out of their house, and very quickly 00:39:11.420 --> 00:39:14.179 Princess became, within a few months, became 00:39:14.179 --> 00:39:17.679 the manager of the place. Wow. And so we actually 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:20.480 got to run our church out of the community house. 00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:24.420 Wow. At that stage, we had five of us in our 00:39:24.420 --> 00:39:28.389 church. There was Princess myself, our two sons. 00:39:28.809 --> 00:39:33.429 Wow. And James. Oh, wow. Papa James, he was our 00:39:33.429 --> 00:39:36.730 first disciple here in New Zealand. He was your 00:39:36.730 --> 00:39:40.449 first disciple? Yes. Oh. We'll interview him 00:39:40.449 --> 00:39:43.949 in another episode. Yes, yes. So he's been with 00:39:43.949 --> 00:39:47.829 me for 16 years. Wow. And saw us go through the 00:39:47.829 --> 00:39:50.789 transition. Because when we came in from Australia, 00:39:50.809 --> 00:39:52.530 we actually had to get rid of a whole lot of 00:39:52.530 --> 00:39:56.619 religious. Sure. Thoughts and behaviours and 00:39:56.619 --> 00:39:59.179 actually transformed the way we did church all 00:39:59.179 --> 00:40:03.380 together. Sure. Because we came over with a devil 00:40:03.380 --> 00:40:09.840 -proof discipleship plan. Okay. Yeah, well, that 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:14.579 went out the door. God said, no, I want fresh 00:40:14.579 --> 00:40:18.639 manna. My children deserve fresh manna from me. 00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:22.570 Beautiful. I said, oh, okay. Chuck that out and 00:40:22.570 --> 00:40:24.869 said, okay then, how are we going to do this? 00:40:24.989 --> 00:40:26.750 How are we going to do that? And then the first 00:40:26.750 --> 00:40:30.730 thing that came was the word. Yes. That's it. 00:40:30.829 --> 00:40:34.090 That was our discipleship plan. And I'm going, 00:40:34.190 --> 00:40:37.510 okay then, then what? And then we started from 00:40:37.510 --> 00:40:41.670 there. But it was all about teaching people how 00:40:41.670 --> 00:40:44.820 to have a relationship with God. Exactly. And 00:40:44.820 --> 00:40:47.659 it's just like you and me. When I pick up the 00:40:47.659 --> 00:40:50.480 phone, if I've known you for a year or so, you'll 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:52.360 know it's me because you know my voice. Exactly. 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:56.539 The same principle as God. Right. I mean, us 00:40:56.539 --> 00:40:59.079 Māori people have known spiritual world for a 00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.559 very long time, since birth. You know, we brought 00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.639 eat, sleep and whatever. And so we're brought 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:10.079 up really well with it. But what happened was 00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:14.199 that we ended up not teaching them how to. connect 00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:18.719 it was discovering how they are already connecting 00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:22.420 right that's good and it was not like we trained 00:41:22.420 --> 00:41:25.260 them it was like they already had it it's just 00:41:25.260 --> 00:41:28.019 that they haven't found it yet yeah so we started 00:41:28.019 --> 00:41:30.880 teaching them um what they were seeing and what 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:33.079 they were hearing right and to find what was 00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:36.079 god and what was not good and so it went from 00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.219 there that way All the ownership is not on one 00:41:39.219 --> 00:41:41.420 person. Right. But they go for their answers 00:41:41.420 --> 00:41:45.360 straight to God. Exactly. And not a man. That's 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:48.179 true discipleship. And it's not to say that you 00:41:48.179 --> 00:41:50.599 go away from the brethren because you need the 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:54.920 army for the witnesses, you know, the witness 00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:58.269 of one or two or three. Right. To back up your 00:41:58.269 --> 00:42:01.409 vision or your dream that you had. And so we 00:42:01.409 --> 00:42:04.849 started training there. But that came later on. 00:42:04.929 --> 00:42:07.989 But with the gangs, however, that was a different 00:42:07.989 --> 00:42:10.730 story altogether. It was all about education, 00:42:11.269 --> 00:42:18.250 upskilling, and employment, and housing, and 00:42:18.250 --> 00:42:23.130 business. That was a massive development. That 00:42:23.130 --> 00:42:26.090 was massive, yeah. We go in there, the percentages 00:42:26.090 --> 00:42:29.829 were like 95 % unemployed. Three generations 00:42:29.829 --> 00:42:33.710 of families that were stuck in that environment. 00:42:33.929 --> 00:42:36.550 And that actually turned around within a five 00:42:36.550 --> 00:42:40.769 -year period to 95 % employed. Glory to God. 00:42:40.849 --> 00:42:43.929 And from homeless to homeowners. That was the 00:42:43.929 --> 00:42:46.289 next stage after the gangs. That was the next 00:42:46.289 --> 00:42:47.789 stage after the gangs. We took it out of the 00:42:47.789 --> 00:42:50.750 community and went into the city. And other communities 00:42:50.750 --> 00:42:53.070 started reaching out to the homeless out there, 00:42:53.210 --> 00:42:55.769 taking what we'd learnt working with the local 00:42:55.769 --> 00:42:59.309 gangs and applying the same knowledge that God 00:42:59.309 --> 00:43:04.090 had given us. And they were much more progressive 00:43:04.090 --> 00:43:08.730 in taking on God. In actual fact, from those 00:43:08.730 --> 00:43:13.690 homeless people, we saw in a three -year period. 00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:18.599 During the COVID period, when it was near impossible 00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:23.639 to buy a home or get housing anywhere, 100 % 00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:29.840 success in getting everybody housed. Wow. 100%. 00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:33.679 And it got to the stage where the state agencies 00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:38.300 were coming to us for help. Glory to God. And 00:43:38.300 --> 00:43:41.460 sending their clients to us to deal with. We 00:43:41.460 --> 00:43:43.900 didn't mind that because in the process, they 00:43:43.900 --> 00:43:47.059 all got led to the Lord. Hallelujah. And after 00:43:47.059 --> 00:43:49.780 the COVID period, and we've got to keep moving 00:43:49.780 --> 00:43:54.360 because we're running low, 30 -odd families had 00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:58.570 established. home churches. Wow. And each of 00:43:58.570 --> 00:44:00.769 those home churches had roughly six to eight 00:44:00.769 --> 00:44:04.230 people in them. Well, three or four years later, 00:44:04.510 --> 00:44:10.250 that 30 has become 250 home churches. As they 00:44:10.250 --> 00:44:13.590 reached out to their families with the same help 00:44:13.590 --> 00:44:16.219 that they got. Beautiful. And leading them to 00:44:16.219 --> 00:44:18.900 the Lord the same way they were led. That's outpouring. 00:44:19.019 --> 00:44:21.599 So that's absolute outpouring. Outpouring, yeah. 00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:25.079 So we saw our whole community turn over like 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:28.159 that. One of the big benefits that we got, we 00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.940 were blessed to have an opportunity to buy all 00:44:31.940 --> 00:44:33.900 the land in the community that we were living 00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:36.780 in. Wow. And the Lord told us to put in a bid 00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:40.239 to buy it. Now that land was worth around about 00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:44.380 $16 million at that stage. So this is a few years 00:44:44.380 --> 00:44:48.019 ago now. And in the church was the five of us. 00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:52.199 Wow. And I was the only one working. Wow. I wasn't 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:54.360 a pastor staying at home. I was a working pastor. 00:44:55.059 --> 00:44:57.659 And so, you know, I just had to fill in the time 00:44:57.659 --> 00:45:01.760 with everything I could. And you know what? We 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.199 put in a bit and it got accepted. Wow. Then came 00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:11.179 the scary part. Yeah. 16 million dollars. Wow. 00:45:11.179 --> 00:45:14.659 We got the money. Glory to God. God got the money. 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:17.400 God set my wife up to find the right person, 00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:20.239 and we got the money. And then God pulls us out 00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:25.539 of the deal before we close it because it wasn't 00:45:25.539 --> 00:45:28.940 our purpose to buy the property. It was just 00:45:28.940 --> 00:45:31.699 to put in the bid and do what we're told to do. 00:45:31.780 --> 00:45:33.960 And sometimes God does that. Yes, he does. He 00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:36.360 sends us on a mission, not for us to fulfill 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.539 that mission, but for us to learn something. 00:45:38.780 --> 00:45:40.980 Right. Very true. And I asked him that question, 00:45:41.139 --> 00:45:44.980 why did you do that for, Lord? Because you really 00:45:44.980 --> 00:45:52.760 upset my wife. And he said three things. The 00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:56.079 first thing was by putting in a bid, we got privy 00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.739 to all the information regarding the development. 00:46:00.059 --> 00:46:04.480 Secondly, we got to see that God could do anything. 00:46:04.659 --> 00:46:09.260 Yes. That a church of five people could get $16 00:46:09.260 --> 00:46:12.519 million. That's pretty amazing. Yeah. And that 00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:16.659 wasn't like over 10 years. 10 weeks this thing 00:46:16.659 --> 00:46:20.059 happened. Wow. And thirdly, I was to get alongside 00:46:20.059 --> 00:46:22.980 another pastor in the community who listened 00:46:22.980 --> 00:46:24.940 to what was going on and said, this is so crazy, 00:46:24.940 --> 00:46:27.139 it's got to be God. Can I come for a journey 00:46:27.139 --> 00:46:30.820 with you? His name's Pastor Greg Moti. Pastor 00:46:30.820 --> 00:46:34.099 Greg Moti, yeah. And Rich knows him as well. 00:46:34.340 --> 00:46:37.480 We lost the, so I was threatened because when 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:39.619 we came back into the meeting, I had to renege. 00:46:40.340 --> 00:46:44.059 But you have a 30 -day close. So, you know. So 00:46:44.059 --> 00:46:47.659 I walked in and I got threatened. He goes, you'll 00:46:47.659 --> 00:46:50.679 never work in this space ever again. I will make 00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.199 sure of it. In fact, you're going to lose your 00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:55.059 job. You'll never get to work in this space. 00:46:55.579 --> 00:46:57.920 And then he walked out the door and I said, man, 00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:01.980 I don't blame him for saying that. This was a 00:47:01.980 --> 00:47:06.539 long journey for our community. But anyway, he 00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:10.539 walks out and about two weeks the next, you know 00:47:10.539 --> 00:47:13.780 how you have tenders? and you have expressive 00:47:13.780 --> 00:47:16.539 interest, and then you get to win it, but they 00:47:16.539 --> 00:47:18.539 go to the next, lay it down, next person down. 00:47:19.019 --> 00:47:22.099 Well, this guy named Peter Savage, he's from 00:47:22.099 --> 00:47:25.519 City Living, and he ended up getting the deal. 00:47:25.699 --> 00:47:29.739 He ended up paying the 16 mil. And then next 00:47:29.739 --> 00:47:31.599 minute, you know, he comes walking in. I didn't 00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:33.619 know who he was. He comes into the community 00:47:33.619 --> 00:47:36.960 house, and he goes, Oh, excuse me, my name's... 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.480 Peter Savage. And I said, oh, yeah, what can 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:42.079 I do for you? He goes, I'm from City Living. 00:47:42.179 --> 00:47:45.639 I own the property now. I own this property. 00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:47.539 I'm about to build all the homes. And I went, 00:47:47.619 --> 00:47:51.639 oh, wow. Wow, that's awesome. Well, welcome to 00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:54.340 our community. And he goes, what can I do for 00:47:54.340 --> 00:47:55.760 you? And I said, oh, I just want to, I'm just 00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:58.239 looking for somebody or something. I don't know. 00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:03.059 Anyway, I had a dream last night of a person. 00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.340 It could be a princess or a princess, a real 00:48:07.340 --> 00:48:09.579 princess or a person that goes by the name of 00:48:09.579 --> 00:48:15.000 princess. And I said, oh, that'll be me. And 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.900 he goes, oh, really? And I said, no, really. 00:48:18.380 --> 00:48:20.300 And I said, well, what are you doing? And his 00:48:20.300 --> 00:48:24.119 wife was next to him. And yeah, well, I'm princess. 00:48:24.460 --> 00:48:27.019 And he goes, well, what's happened? What did 00:48:27.019 --> 00:48:30.099 you dream? And he said, well, you are to build 00:48:30.099 --> 00:48:36.599 a team and to spearhead this development. And 00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:40.460 all in all, okay. And then his wife turns around. 00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:44.880 She looks at me and she goes, you know what? 00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:47.880 When my husband woke up yelling out the name 00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:51.280 Princess, I thought he was having an affair. 00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:58.280 Oh, no. And I said, well, don't you think I can 00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:03.300 get your husband? Oh, come on. Her and I are 00:49:03.300 --> 00:49:06.159 very good friends. Her name is Liz, and she's 00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:10.019 a lovely lady. She laughed, and we laughed it 00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:13.400 off. And I said, I'll be honoured to spearhead 00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:17.219 this for you. And I said, what do you think the 00:49:17.219 --> 00:49:19.579 team looks like? And he said, I want council 00:49:19.579 --> 00:49:23.119 involved. I want kiangora, low -income people 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:30.019 involved, and all the agencies involved. And 00:49:30.019 --> 00:49:33.320 I said, okay then. Right, and so we had architects, 00:49:33.659 --> 00:49:36.780 we had the builders, we had all them, that sort 00:49:36.780 --> 00:49:39.940 of people. And the person that threatened me 00:49:39.940 --> 00:49:45.119 was there. He was the regional manager. He was 00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:47.320 the new one. So he sat there at the end of the 00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:50.300 table and I said, oh, thank you for, and I invited 00:49:50.300 --> 00:49:54.079 everybody. I said, thank you for replying to 00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:58.050 my message and thank you for attending. And then 00:49:58.050 --> 00:50:00.469 I let them know, gave them an introduction of 00:50:00.469 --> 00:50:04.349 why we're there. And they were all in. I said, 00:50:04.369 --> 00:50:07.510 I just wanted everyone to go around to introduce 00:50:07.510 --> 00:50:10.829 yourselves and where you're from and what part 00:50:10.829 --> 00:50:13.710 you'd be playing and concerning the redevelopment. 00:50:13.750 --> 00:50:16.530 And the guy, when it got to the kainga ora guy, 00:50:16.750 --> 00:50:21.530 the guy that threatened me, he goes, and I'm 00:50:21.530 --> 00:50:26.289 going, hmm. And he said, oh, thank you for the 00:50:26.289 --> 00:50:29.550 invitation. Probably need to apologise to your 00:50:29.550 --> 00:50:32.949 princess. Oh, wow. For what I said to you. It 00:50:32.949 --> 00:50:37.130 wasn't a very nice thing I said. No right to 00:50:37.130 --> 00:50:43.030 say it. Beautiful. Closure. Mate, we're a team. 00:50:43.090 --> 00:50:45.949 We're a family now. Wow. Yeah, water under the 00:50:45.949 --> 00:50:49.170 bridge. Beautiful, beautiful. So just to finish 00:50:49.170 --> 00:50:51.349 off on that story, and I think we need to come 00:50:51.349 --> 00:50:55.099 to a close just about on that. We saw our whole 00:50:55.099 --> 00:50:59.179 community redeveloped physically on the outside 00:50:59.179 --> 00:51:02.940 by the housing, but also internally with the 00:51:02.940 --> 00:51:05.920 training and education and the employment of 00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:09.920 everybody. And the next step, and I complained 00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:12.480 to the Lord about this, and I said, what about 00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:14.980 the Spirit, Lord? We've got every other base 00:51:14.980 --> 00:51:16.880 covered. What about the Spirit? And that's where 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:20.519 those 30 home churches, which became 250. Was 00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:23.019 the next development of it. Beautiful. But that 00:51:23.019 --> 00:51:26.860 housing deal, the guy won it. He ended up having 00:51:26.860 --> 00:51:30.260 to pay another $10 million. Wow. Because there's 00:51:30.260 --> 00:51:34.139 contamination in the land from asbestos. Oh, 00:51:34.139 --> 00:51:37.659 no. And then it took another year and a half 00:51:37.659 --> 00:51:41.019 for that to be done. Wow. So we were saved by 00:51:41.019 --> 00:51:44.519 God. Wow. But he knew what was going on anyway. 00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:48.280 Yeah. But we were saved by following his example. 00:51:48.539 --> 00:51:53.389 Yes. Abraham's example. Yes. You know, the promised 00:51:53.389 --> 00:51:56.429 land, which was the community, was the son, Isaac. 00:51:56.869 --> 00:51:59.530 Yes. And then he was told to take him up on the 00:51:59.530 --> 00:52:03.010 mountain and sacrifice him. He did that. And 00:52:03.010 --> 00:52:05.469 so we were told to sign up the deal. And then 00:52:05.469 --> 00:52:08.719 God says, stop. I've got a ram for you. Somebody 00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:12.360 else can pay the price. Glory to God. So I just 00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:14.159 want to give a quick overview of what really 00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:17.860 happened, what happened in New Zealand. So when 00:52:17.860 --> 00:52:21.539 we touched base there, there was family violence, 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:23.960 heavy family violence. There was theft. There 00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:26.960 was murder. There was so much criminal activity 00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:30.909 happening. And then God turned. He poured his 00:52:30.909 --> 00:52:34.230 spirit out on all mankind in our community. And 00:52:34.230 --> 00:52:37.469 it was rearranged, transformed. But the thing 00:52:37.469 --> 00:52:42.150 was, the spirit also fell on believers as well. 00:52:42.510 --> 00:52:44.909 Yes. Because he taught us how to look beyond 00:52:44.909 --> 00:52:48.929 what we can see. Yes. Beautiful. And I said, 00:52:49.050 --> 00:52:51.150 well, what does that look like, Lord? And he 00:52:51.150 --> 00:52:53.289 said, I'm going to show you the kingdom of God 00:52:53.289 --> 00:52:56.889 inside of people. That incorruptible seed. I 00:52:56.889 --> 00:52:59.530 love that. That's inside of people. Yeah. That 00:52:59.530 --> 00:53:02.489 I planted, that seed that I planted there. That's 00:53:02.489 --> 00:53:05.210 right. And so I thought, oh, this is going to 00:53:05.210 --> 00:53:07.989 be good. So we got to practice every day because 00:53:07.989 --> 00:53:11.030 we were with them every day. Beautiful. And so 00:53:11.030 --> 00:53:14.230 it was like setting myself up ready to practice. 00:53:15.769 --> 00:53:18.610 I love it. And then, you know, looking beyond 00:53:18.610 --> 00:53:22.250 the tattoos, looking beyond the crime, looking 00:53:22.250 --> 00:53:24.849 beyond, beyond. In actual fact, he was showing 00:53:24.849 --> 00:53:28.550 us what's to come. Beautiful. See how he sees 00:53:28.550 --> 00:53:31.989 them. And so he stopped letting us look at the 00:53:31.989 --> 00:53:36.230 present. We stopped looking at the past. Because 00:53:36.230 --> 00:53:38.369 that's one of the things that blinds a lot of 00:53:38.369 --> 00:53:41.929 people is their present. And then they start 00:53:41.929 --> 00:53:46.610 praying like this. Oh, Lord, Lord, please heal. 00:53:46.869 --> 00:53:49.829 And that's a good thing to say. Lord, please 00:53:49.829 --> 00:53:53.670 heal of drug addiction. Then they start calling 00:53:53.670 --> 00:53:56.349 this thing out on these people. And I said, you're 00:53:56.349 --> 00:53:59.489 actually declaring this over them. And I said, 00:53:59.590 --> 00:54:03.329 well, our prayers need to be praying like it's 00:54:03.329 --> 00:54:06.199 already happened. Exactly. Lord, thank you for 00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:08.400 the healing. Lord, thank you for the addiction 00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:10.659 that you've healed. Thank you, Lord, for pouring 00:54:10.659 --> 00:54:13.000 your spirit out on them. Lord, I can da -da -da. 00:54:13.260 --> 00:54:16.480 But it's like, and I noticed that was happening, 00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:20.340 but he showed us how to build into them, build 00:54:20.340 --> 00:54:22.920 Christ into them, and that was an awesome thing. 00:54:23.139 --> 00:54:27.119 That's why it was 100 % successful. Amen. It's 00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:29.719 because we followed the instructions of the Lord. 00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:32.119 Beautiful. And we did not go off. There was a 00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:35.440 few mistakes, but, you know. You make them. You're 00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:37.300 human. And you repent and you move on. That's 00:54:37.300 --> 00:54:40.280 correct. You don't stay there. Right. I think 00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:43.760 the key to it for the start for us was not to 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:45.840 get God to try and bless what we were doing. 00:54:46.059 --> 00:54:48.659 Exactly. But find out what he was blessing and 00:54:48.659 --> 00:54:52.000 co -labor with him. Right. And I think when you 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:53.679 talk to Richard, you'll hear much more about 00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:56.599 co -laboring as well. Okay. Well, let's do an 00:54:56.599 --> 00:54:59.480 episode with him. As we close, Pastor Sandy, 00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:02.380 would you please pray for our listeners? Father. 00:55:03.630 --> 00:55:09.170 Lord, we know that you have every need met. Lord, 00:55:09.190 --> 00:55:12.929 and I pray, Father, that people are encouraged 00:55:12.929 --> 00:55:17.530 to continue to pray for their loved ones. They're 00:55:17.530 --> 00:55:21.130 encouraged to look at their community and their 00:55:21.130 --> 00:55:26.289 towns and their cities and see the hand of God 00:55:26.289 --> 00:55:29.190 moving in the midst of them. Yes. That they would 00:55:29.190 --> 00:55:32.829 respond to what you were doing, Lord. And co 00:55:32.829 --> 00:55:37.710 -labor with you as you pour out your spirit on 00:55:37.710 --> 00:55:41.670 all flesh. Because we are in those days. Yes. 00:55:41.869 --> 00:55:45.010 And they haven't stopped from the day of Pentecost. 00:55:45.150 --> 00:55:47.329 That's right. Until you return, you're going 00:55:47.329 --> 00:55:50.690 to continue pouring out your spirit, Father. 00:55:51.090 --> 00:55:53.869 And so I pray, Lord, that we all enter into this 00:55:53.869 --> 00:55:58.510 place of cooperation and co -laboring as we see 00:55:58.510 --> 00:56:03.420 heaven. manifesting on earth through our words, 00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:07.119 through our deeds, and through your Spirit. In 00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:25.679 Jesus' name. Amen. Your review helps the podcasting 00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:28.139 platform suggest this podcast to other listeners 00:56:28.139 --> 00:56:30.760 who are also looking for a great move of the 00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:33.920 Holy Spirit. 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