And my friend Samson, who's running a school
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He said, well, where else could they go? They
have to leave. They're going into the, I want
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Snyder, it is such a blessing to have you with
us. Before we push the record button, I was talking
about the last time we had you on our podcast,
and you made a comment about the missions as
we knew it. Everything's changed now. It's over,
and you just saw like we've already done everything
that needed to be done as far as we were concerned.
I want you to speak into that. Can you bring
us some clarification? Our thinking is being
changed. Even Jesus, his thinking was changed
as he learned obedience through the things that
he suffered, right? Amen. He learned and we're
learning. Well, you left off with a real good
question for me, you know, what I had said earlier
about my idea of traditional missions being over
in as much as we learn a new language, go to
a new country, tell them about Jesus. Because
in the last 50 years, we've seen countries Christianized.
And their own indigenous people reaching out
to the unreached people groups in their areas,
whereas beforehand there was nobody at that point
that could do that. But we did it, and we kind
of saw a conclusion to that generation. And now
what we're thinking about is what's next for
us, like our baby boomer. Generation. What are
we all about now? And what I'm seeing now more
than anything else is they need teachers. They
didn't have good Bible schools. They didn't have
gospel truth teachers so much. But the Holy Spirit
has taught them what to do and how to do it.
And I've been amazed in China to see what was
available, which was nothing. All they had was
a touch of the presence of the Holy Spirit. people
coming to the Lord, them coming together, reading
the Bible together. It was very complicated for
them because they had nobody to help them, you
know, plow through Numbers and Deuteronomy and
that sort of thing. And it was just a totally
different scene because then after that, what
did they do? They ate together, they worshiped
the Lord together, and then they went on to reach
more people together. But it just proliferated.
And what happened after that? There was no teachers.
And so now I'm coming in on the back end of things
all throughout Southeast Asia now, bringing teaching,
and they are so hungry. Peter, don't stop. Continue.
And what do you need to know more than anything
else? And then I find out from the pastors what
they need to know and simplify it, bring it down
to something that they can understand. And it's
been such a blessing because they're so humble
and they want to learn. They're teachable, not
like so many situations I've come into where
people weren't. And even we, you and I, like
we said at the beginning, we have to be ready
to learn and have a teachable heart. So my idea
is a lot different than it was the last time
we spoke when I was there at Engletown about,
you know, the end of the great white missionary
hope going into that area, learning the language,
bringing them to Jesus, because now it's a totally
different picture. All over the world and on
back to Jerusalem through the Muslim nations.
And of course, Jesus returns. So let me clarify
that. And I hope I did there to you. Yeah. The
last time you were with us, you spoke about,
you know, being the end of missions as we knew
it. And it kind of left me with a question mark.
So I appreciate the fact that you're clarifying
this. And especially since you've just been to
Mongolia. Tell us a little bit about that. That
was a whole new nation for you. Yeah, and it
was wonderful. It was a great experience bringing
the Word of God there, because when I say the
Word, I mean the gospel truth, because they had
been through so much of these initial decades
of learning to live and function and operate
as a church. But there, you know, they were so
hungry. And I'm a senior now at 70 years old.
And to go to places like that with only 1 .7
% Christians there, I thought, wow, that's what
it was in China in 1987 when we went there. And
then what happened next? It was like, whoa, it
was an explosion. But the thing is, generationally
speaking, I'm talking to you, Sharon, and me
at our age. Things come in perfect timing. The
Holy Spirit's timing is perfect. And even for
this, you know, I thought, is that it? When I
got over there and I saw the people and I saw
their hunger and their love for each other, I
thought, I almost don't want to interfere. And
I did take a backseat. They brought me up to
teach them these things, but I wanted to take
a backseat and like a grandfather, which I am,
Guide them and love them. And, you know, none
of this grandstanding stuff. And they had found
that some other denominations from other different
countries would come in and want to control them
in a situation. And they said, you need this.
They didn't. What I saw was just such love. And
especially during this Easter season when we
were there. They all came together in Ardennet,
the pastors, leaders, and the teachers. And the
place was just packed. They hadn't done that
there before. And there they were. And it was
just a festival of love. And when you have that
kind of love, you have the Holy Spirit. And what
do you really need more than that except somebody
to maybe come up and impress on them the need
for them to keep their freedoms? And that's what
Paul was most interested in because he saw what
was happening. He said these Judaizers and these
legalists will come in and they'll try to steal
your freedom. And he said, I'm afraid of that,
the wolves. And I saw that too. But they have
such a grasp on the Holy Spirit and his love
among themselves in Mongolia that anything outside
of that is suspect. And they discern it. right
now. But me as an outsider going in, you know,
I had to just kind of learn from watching them.
And I thought, how many other nations in Asia
need this and need the old teachers to come in?
And I thought I was very humbled to be able to
do that. You know, they don't really put much
emphasis on Easter like we do. Good Friday. But
they did have that meeting. I walked in some
of those churches and there was Santa Claus's
picture up there. Oh, that's amazing. Santa Claus.
We don't work here. So they do need grandfathers
and fathers in Israel, and that's what we are.
So we held three full seminars in four different
places, and it was on the Father, Son, and the
Holy Spirit to give them the theology of the
gospel. Where we don't go back and we don't delve
into the Old Covenant understanding of who God
was and try to work our salvation out in the
Old Testament. But we look at John 3 .16 and
the good news and the context of John 3 .16 and
then John chapter 3 and then the book of John
and then the Gospels. And then we'll learn this
all together. And then when we're finished. We'll
go through the whole New Testament, learn everything
we can about Jesus, and then we'll go back and
look at some of the history and how it pointed
to Jesus. But we don't start from there. Our
foundation is in the gospel truth. And so when
we held these seminars, I mean, we just being
another guy and the head pastor there on the
father. It was identifying who the father was,
you know, the father. They never knew him as
the father. And the son, of course, he's in and
through everything. You teach him Colossians
about that in us and who we are in the Holy Spirit.
And we're one. And then the idea of the body
and what privilege we have in this. Last generation,
chosen generation, royal priesthood, holy nation.
And then when they get their identity in that,
they're not as apt to slip. And that's where
Paul was reinforcing that and just pounding that
same nail. I told you on that one video I just
sent that I was shocked because I asked the head
pastor in Mongolia. I said, what denomination
are you people? Because there's just all the
Christians from everyone who were gathered here.
What's a denomination? Wow. I love it. He just
didn't even know. And I thought, wow, I don't
even want to tell him. But, you know, I checked
earlier. Do you know how many denominations there
are of Christianity? Oh, my. There's over 10
,000. Oh, my. Yeah. Just check it out sometime.
Well, a denomination is just the way certain
people think and how they approach. Christianity
and what they believe. But we all have our cohesion
in the Apostles' Creed, of course. All Christians
believe the same thing there. I believe in God
the Father, Almighty Maker. Do you believe that?
Do you understand that? Yes. Why do we say that?
Well, Christians in the old days, many of them
couldn't read. They didn't know what their faith
was, but they would say that and reinforce who
they knew they were as Christians, especially
if they were going to be brought through fiery
tribulation and persecution, which is sad, which
the first century Christian church suffered like
no other church before. Our church is built on
the blood and the foundation of what they did.
When I said, oh, yeah, we see, we know, we understand.
Do you do that? Do you say this? Do you all learn
that? Yes, we do. And they also learn some other
old covenant things that still don't apply to
the new way that Jesus made for us, you know,
into discovering the kingdom and discovering
who he is. And so there has to be somebody like
a father. that will come in and just help them.
You say, hey, this is really good, what you're
doing. And here's what you can do to make it
better. Here's what we can do together. And that
approach never loses. But if someone goes in
like the old Christian missionary, guy you know
this critical spirit are you doing this and you
start pointing fingers at everybody and everything
say this is wrong and that's wrong you know it
just causes confusion and they want to learn
and like a child you don't want to you want to
be very simple about the things you present and
um i was teaching them along the way in mongolia
you know there's a new things that the Lord wants
to show you, and revelation he wants to teach
you on your own, and an awakening that we need
in these last days to finish the work and get
a vision for what he wants us to do. And at the
end of these seminars, invariably, they were
coming up to me, Brother Pete, we got a vision.
We had an awakening. I mean, there's tears and
all kinds of wonderful breakthroughs there. Wonderful.
Good. Now you're on track here. But then what
does that mean for me? To say, okay, that's the
end of it, ditch it and go? No, teaching is continuous.
And being a teacher, I think, is the greatest
thing. I'm not a pastor, and here I am, the Lord
has called me to train pastors. Maybe that's
better, because they're not thinking that there's
any spirit of competition there among pastors
or me. But just to be a teacher and bring the
truth in a way that a father would. It was a
wonderful experience for me, and that was the
best part of Mongolia. And you've learned that
too, your grandmother. And I just want the children
to receive the bread, and I don't want it to
be thrown to the dogs today. Amen. We know where
they are. So let's see here. The girl who introduced
me to the things there in Mongolia had been in
China for 10 years. tribal regions all by herself,
not as a Christian, but with the United Nations.
And I saw what she was doing in those areas that
were totally unreached at that time. I said,
hey, this is wonderful. And I came in and even
helped her to understand what the idea was, how
we could really help and brought her to Jesus.
She became a missionary and started. teaching
the gospel everywhere, including North Korea
for nine years. She lived there all by herself
and everybody else wouldn't dare to go. And now
she's been in Mongolia these last nine years.
And I invited her to our house here in Phoenix.
And she was here. I said, hey, do you know any
of the pastors over there? And she said, well,
sure. I love those pastors. I said, well, ask
them if they would like. It would be all right
if a teacher came through and brought seminars
because that's what I've been doing in Philippines,
Thailand, China and everywhere else over there.
And they said, OK, we'll ask. And then she did.
And they said, oh, sure. We would just love that.
Wow. And so when I came there, I saw that the
biggest problems. that they had were some of
the things we saw in some of the deepest tribal
regions with alcoholism. But they have their
own rehab centers and they have their own prison
ministries, which is wonderful. But what I really
loved. And I wanted to be part of, and I told
you this before I ever went there, I wanted to
reach some of those lost tribes that nobody had
reached. Because I heard there's 28 tribes and
23 of them haven't heard about Jesus. So everywhere
I went there, I asked them, is there any outreach?
What do you guys do? And right then, you know,
we were there. There's two blizzards we went
through when we were there. But these guys were
coming in on horseback. I mean, they looked,
they're freezing to death. And they said, this
is outreach. Isn't God good? We were able to
go to some of these tribes. I said, can I go
with him? And I thought maybe I couldn't fit
on one of those horses because I'm a little bit
bigger than they are, I thought. But then I saw
some of them, they were bigger than me. And I
thought, well, if they can do it, I can. I just
would rather go at a time when it's not so cold.
But up they went, down to the east. And right
as we were leaving, the head pastor was going
down into the Gobi, to the tribes there, and
up by Russia and off to the west. And the head
pastor's going to take three other pastors going
into Uzbekistan and Kajikistan and bring the
gospel to the Mongolians there and up into Russia
so that they can. Do their own outreach from
there and show them what they've learned. So
all of that I learned in such a short time there.
And I thank God, you know, that I was able to
do that. And I'm looking forward to going back.
But first I have to go to Thailand and Philippines
and teach and then into China. I'll take Lauren
in there with me. We haven't been there since
COVID. Yeah, Lauren, my wife. I'm looking to
see how the pastors are doing over there because
I've heard nothing from them. When we were there,
it was called WeChat. Do you remember WeChat,
how we would talk to each other? And today there's
WhatsApp and Signal and some of these others,
but I had all the pastors' names and their contact
information on WeChat. As soon as I got to America
and got an American phone number, they were all
gone. And so I've had no contact with any of
them, except for the pastors that came out to
Thailand, who I don't see, and my friend Samson,
who's running a school there for the pastors
who are coming out there and are leaving in droves,
he said, from China. I said, well, where in the
world are they going? He said, well, where else
could they go? They have to leave. They're going
into the, I want to cry when I say it, into the
mission field. Amen. So that's the next generation.
You know, we've trained these last 40 years in
China. They're doing what we did 40 years ago.
And it's so precious. And they have that, you
know, the Back to Jerusalem movement. Yes. Not
just the Chinese, but all the Asians. They want
to go back and see where Jesus was and where
he rose from the dead, where he was born. And
Jesus himself said, you know, from Jerusalem
to Judea, Samaria to the outermost parts of the
earth. And then, of course, it would go all the
way around the world and back to Jerusalem. And
the last time I was there in Jerusalem was with
Gene and the Chinese pastor. And I took them.
I thought, well, praise God, at least I can go
and see some of the Chinese. All the way back
to where Jesus started his ministry is the Jordan
River there outside of Jericho. And so Gene took
us there. And so I took Pastor Sampson, who has
that school in Thailand, a Chinese pastor, teaching
the Chinese pastors. And I said, Sampson, go
down into the water. And he started to go down
into the water. And out of the crowd came these
other Chinese. Wow. There's something about going
to the toilet in China that one person has to
go, they all go. They saw him go, and they came
out from everywhere at about five or six of them,
and they all went down in the water, didn't know
each other. took a hold of each other's hands
and went down and up and down and down. And they
were singing this song. I tell you, Sharon, I
knew the song, but I never had heard it before.
Like that song in the book of Revelation that
they sing. And the presence of God was over that
place like never before. Hallelujah. I've seen
it. That's where Jesus started his ministry.
And that's where he ended his ministry when he
went back to Jerusalem himself to die on the
cross. And Thomas said, come on, let's go with
him, boys. And we all have to go through that
valley there that goes back to Jerusalem. It's
called the Valley of the Shadow of Death. Dean
said, look up here. This is the mountain of temptation.
I said, yeah, but do you know what that is down
there? I've gone through it all the way back.
It's the valley of the shadow of death. And that's
where Jesus went when he went back and raised
Lazarus from the dead, which was a type of what
he was about to do himself, and then redeemed
the entire world. I'm saying this to say that
all of the Asians are very, very keen on this
notion of Jesus returning to Jerusalem and to
finish the work through the Muslim nations. But
there's something to be said for that in as much
as the Muslims all know who Jesus is. But, you
know, they don't know that he's the Messiah.
Right. And it's just a hard nut to crack. It's
like. It is in Israel with the Jews. The religious
spirit is the hardest one to get through to.
And I mean, not many come to the Lord, but in
the fires that they're going through now over
there in the Middle East. That's what's going
to bring it all forth because there's always
one hand is the awakening and the other hand
is the fires of the persecution. It's always
like that. So I guess what I wanted to say more
than anything else on this podcast is that our
generation has a wonderful, wonderful responsibility
and calling as teachers. And to me, there's nothing
greater than being a teacher. I'm heading out
in a couple of weeks to go back to Asia. And
then a couple of weeks after that, back to China.
Hopefully, I'll come and see you in the late
summer or early fall. And then from there, we're
going to put our heads together and figure out
what to do next. Now, I do have a little word
to give. It's only just a minute. Sure. But I
want you to hear this. Good. I found this morning,
and it touched my heart, you know, Hezekiah had
his life extended, remember? Mm -hmm. And chapter
20 of 2 Kings, and here comes Isaiah, and he
speaks to him when these Babylonians came, looks
at all the gold that Hezekiah had accumulated.
So Hezekiah had given these extra years, and
we've been given extra years now. Yes, we have.
I'm telling you. And there's a tight fear. But
then he told them they came from a far country.
And Isaiah said, they will come and take your
sons who will descend from you, who you will
beget, and they shall become eunuchs in the palace
of the king of Babylon. So Hezekiah said to Isaiah,
and here's where I had the problem with this.
The word of the Lord which you have spoken is
a good word. For he said, will there not be peace
and truth at least in my days? Yeah, that breaks
my heart. Yeah, but listen, it did me too. It
troubled me for a minute. But then I thought,
he knew what was coming. We all knew what was
coming to the United States, but it was averted.
We have an extended period of time now before
Manasseh gets into the picture. You know, if
Hezekiah's life hadn't been extended, there would
have been no Manasseh. Think about it. I know,
I have thought about that. Well, here, what he
says, this will be good. Won't there be truth
in my days? And it bothered me because I thought,
well, what about his kids and grandkids have
become eunuchs? Wouldn't he worry about them?
But then in my days, in my generation, at least
he knew he had that generation to make a difference,
bring the truth, finish his calling, finish his
work, like Paul said, and do what he had to do.
in his days, and our generation too. And so that's
where my mind, what's going to happen is going
to happen. You know, that's all been written
in the books. But we have been given a very,
very special period of time now. We saw what
could have happened if things would have continued
on the way they went. And thank God they didn't.
But this is an extended period of time for us
to get this mind about us of what we can do to
finish well. Beyond that, there's nothing anybody
can do about it. Not Hezekiah, not Isaiah, not
you or me. But this is a very urgent time. And
when I saw that, I was just like you. It broke
my heart. Poor children. I've lost a son. I know
what it's like. But the children, the children,
if we do what we're called to do and finish the
work the way we're supposed to do it, God will
take care of our children. My father used to
tell me that. My brother said, why are you selling
everything we have and giving it to the Haitians?
He said, well, if I take care of God's work,
he'll take care of my kids. children. He said,
I don't want that kind of inheritance. I want
the real kind. But you know what? This is the
real kind. This is the real kind. Well, that's
just about all I have here. In our generation,
you said that there was another generation. There
was this generation of baby boomers, the millennials,
and a group, what did you call them? Gen Y. The
Gen Y. I'd never even heard of it. Or maybe it's
Gen X. Maybe it's Gen X. I'm not sure. Gen X,
Gen Y. Or there's Gen Z. I know that. But then
the next group that I don't know, that's the
beta. I thought, what is the next bunch that
are coming in? And they're the ones that will
be most greatly influenced by technology. And
we see the little kids jumping on the iPhones,
jumping on this and using AI and doing all this
stuff. What's that going to bring forth? Well,
it depends on what the fathers and mothers, how
they lead them and guide them into the next generation.
We can determine what smells fishy and what doesn't
and can help them along. And so I guess when
we spoke the last time and I thought maybe my
role is an overseas missionary and the traditional
sense is over. It certainly is not when it comes
to being a guard dog. Amen. of the kingdom and
a watchman, as it says in Habakkuk, remember?
Yes, I will stand upon the ramparts. Yes, we
do. I love you, honey, and I love you, Philip.
I can't see you back there. Hope you're doing
okay. Yeah, I'm doing good. Did you get that
grease out of your fingernails? He was changing
the oil, wasn't he? Yes. He's a man of many hats.
You know, I want to add something here, Peter.
Something that the Lord has reminded me of, I
studied this book a number of years ago, but
there's a little yellow book called Praying Effectively
for the Lost. And it's really, really powerful
in just bringing a clarity to the importance
of prayer when it comes to salvation for the
lost. That you're not going to find anybody that's
getting saved. Unless somebody's praying for
them. And that's a part of missions that a lot
of folks don't get a hold of. They don't feel
called to the nations. Maybe they maybe they're
interested in the nations, but they don't see
themselves going there. But the value of prayer.
for bringing in the harvest is just enormous.
Pray the Lord of the harvest that he'll bring
forth laborers into the harvest fields. And the
idea of binding the strongman. The strongman
is the way of thinking, the mindset that keeps
people from accepting the gospel. There's like
a stronghold in the very center that it's unbelief
in Jesus as the Messiah, as our Savior. It's
a spirit of unbelief, or it's... a mindset, rather,
of unbelief, and it's guarded by a whole bunch
of other things that are besetting sins in a
person's life, whether it's greed or lust or
addiction or trauma or abuse or, you know, any
of those kind of things that keep a person from
getting the gospel in, like where in the parable
of the sower, where you've got Instantly, as
soon as that seed is dropped on the ground, the
birds are there swallowing it up. And our prayer
life is key in seeing this revival, seeing the
outpouring, seeing souls come. And I just feel
like that is a piece that we really need to bring
again, anew, afresh, this idea of intercession.
for the lost is just enormous. Can I make an
application to that? Please. Because it's something
that I learned kind of the hard way. You know,
I couldn't see any of the people in Israel and
Jerusalem becoming Christians. And I tried talking
to them about Jesus and the Orthodox synagogues
and this and that. And as I was leaving, one
man, he was a Holocaust survivor. He came up
to me and as I was leaving, he said, Promise
me something. I said, what? Promise me I can
walk in the kingdom with you. I said, okay. And
I left his house, and Satan just peed up on me.
He said, how dare you? How dare you say that
to him? You have no authority. And then out of
my heart came Psalm 116. I believe, therefore
I spoke. Shut up, devil. And I went home and
he was harassing me and harassing me. Got on
my knees in my bedroom. And I started weeping
and weeping for this guy and these other ones
there. And the Lord spoke to me and said, how
do you think you came in, Peter? It's those tears
of your mother and grandmother and all. And I
hadn't had that revelation. But, you know, I'm
convinced. The love extended and where we make
these relationships, they're eternal. They go
beyond anything we can see, even if it's only
a hope. Like you said that last time, Psalm 91,
the last verse. Yes. And show him my salvation.
Exactly. Well, thanks for saying that. I'm going
to look for that. I think I read that book. It's
an old book, Pray Effectively for the Lost. Yeah.
You don't know who wrote it? Yes, it's Lee Thomas.
Lee Thomas is the author. He's got some nice
YouTube videos out there, too. Yeah, he's got
a 14 -year -old YouTube video that teaches some
of this in nine -minute segments. It's like a
90 -minute total. But it's PEL Ministries, Praying
Effectively for the Lost. PELministries .org,
I think it is, is his website. And I've just
been—I went back to my book. And I marked it
all up the first time I read it. So I marked
it up some more this time. And I'm just, I'm
very, very moved about the importance of prayer.
And what you said about tears, one of the quotes
that he makes in this book, and I've heard it
other times when folks that were in the Salvation
Army were reaching out to General Booth and saying,
we are having no success in our outreach. We're
just getting nowhere. And General Booth wrote
back two words. Try tears. Try tears. It's the
compassion of the Lord. We've got to get a love
for the lost to be able to pray for them. When
we have our children, we learn that. We have
a mother's heart and a father's heart. Yeah.
That's where we learn it. That's where we become
fathers and mothers of the lost, too. It's true.
Well, honey, this is a new day for all of us,
and we have a new beginning and a new start.
I think everything began, was born new with this
new administration in Washington. And it's our
time extended that we have, and we need to use
it wisely. Yes. And, you know, just redeem the
time. And I really appreciate you giving me a
chance to talk. All my friends that are out there
I haven't spoken to in a long time. We'll be
seeing you again sometime soon, okay? Amen. Amen.
Do you want to pray for our listeners before
we part here? I would like to. Father, we just
thank you for this eternal moment. It's been
so precious to be in your presence. I hope I
can get through this prayer. I just speak life
over everybody that's listening, Lord, and an
awakening, a vision of the things of the days
ahead that you would have us to do, that you
enabled us to do, Lord, and that you would send
us forth to do. Provide for us, Lord. Bring forth
divine provision like never before. And more
than that, Lord, give us a certainty as to what
our calling is and our identity is in you, Lord
Jesus, that we have this authority. I speak that
into all those that are listening right now as
we go forth and we speak it into the lives by
impartation to those that you would send us to.
In the mighty name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
We all said it. Amen. If you enjoyed today's
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