WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.160 You have only one life to live. That's only what 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:04.980 I can say to the young people. You have only 00:00:04.980 --> 00:00:08.140 one life to live. If you don't give it all and 00:00:08.140 --> 00:00:10.779 you hold back, you will never really know what 00:00:10.779 --> 00:00:22.940 God can do with an ordinary person. God promises 00:00:22.940 --> 00:00:26.839 in Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity. 00:00:27.629 --> 00:00:30.370 Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend 00:00:30.370 --> 00:00:33.210 for that promised outpouring, we equip for that 00:00:33.210 --> 00:00:36.409 outpouring so that we may engage in that very 00:00:36.409 --> 00:00:39.649 outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss. 00:00:39.689 --> 00:00:42.049 Welcome to the podcast today. We're so glad that 00:00:42.049 --> 00:00:45.549 you're with us. We have with us today a very, 00:00:45.649 --> 00:00:49.189 very, very special saint of the Lord, Siggy Oblander. 00:00:49.229 --> 00:00:52.109 She's one of the founders of this ministry, and 00:00:52.109 --> 00:00:54.390 she's going to be sharing with us today some 00:00:54.390 --> 00:00:58.140 testimonies about how surrender produces the 00:00:58.140 --> 00:01:04.280 glory of God. Thank you so much for joining us 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:06.659 today. This is going to be a wonderful podcast 00:01:06.659 --> 00:01:09.620 you're going to enjoy. And before we get started, 00:01:09.659 --> 00:01:11.799 we want to encourage you, if you haven't already 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:14.540 done so, that you go to our website, globaloutpouring 00:01:14.540 --> 00:01:17.719 .net. and that you make sure that you are on 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:20.640 our email list so that we can stay in contact 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:23.459 with you and that you have clicked on that events 00:01:23.459 --> 00:01:25.739 tab and you've looked at what's going on with 00:01:25.739 --> 00:01:29.400 our convention 2025. Siggy is going to be one 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:31.439 of our speakers. She's going to be our speaker 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:35.819 opening night and she always brings a deep... 00:01:35.849 --> 00:01:39.290 life -changing word of the Lord. And I fully 00:01:39.290 --> 00:01:41.409 expect that the Lord is going to give her something 00:01:41.409 --> 00:01:45.049 that will kick us off into the glory because 00:01:45.049 --> 00:01:48.489 that's how he uses her every single time that 00:01:48.489 --> 00:01:51.480 I know of. I don't know if you can hear that 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:53.640 or not, but we have a thunderstorm going on and 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:56.900 the Holy Ghost just said, amen. So we've got 00:01:56.900 --> 00:01:59.840 other wonderful speakers, Tony Camp and Dean 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:03.299 Braxton, Jeff Simons, Jean Little and myself. 00:02:03.500 --> 00:02:06.099 And we're going to have a glory time in worship. 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:08.539 And it's a family event. Bring the whole family. 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:11.780 May 21st through 24th at the St. Louis Airport 00:02:11.780 --> 00:02:15.750 Marriott. Pray about coming and make your reservations. 00:02:15.750 --> 00:02:19.250 It's going to be an amazing, life -changing time 00:02:19.250 --> 00:02:21.849 for you and your family. We've got a place for 00:02:21.849 --> 00:02:24.449 the little ones, a nursery for the smallest. 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:27.400 for your children. We have special teachers that 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:29.919 are going to help them to come into the deep 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:33.219 things of God and learn how to prophesy and interpret 00:02:33.219 --> 00:02:36.199 dreams and that sort of thing. And we have ministers 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:39.360 for the young people. It's going to be an amazing 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:42.500 time. So let your whole family be brought up 00:02:42.500 --> 00:02:46.340 into a deeper place in God. Siggy Oblander, we 00:02:46.340 --> 00:02:49.020 just love you so much. And for so many years, 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:51.539 I was so glad that you could be with us on this 00:02:51.539 --> 00:02:54.860 podcast. I'm happy to be here, Sharon, and can 00:02:54.860 --> 00:02:58.259 hardly believe time has gone so fast. I know. 00:02:58.259 --> 00:03:00.659 And it has been such a long time when you look 00:03:00.659 --> 00:03:04.620 back what the Lord has done. Yeah, absolutely. 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:08.120 Absolutely. It's a different season for us. You 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:12.300 know, I think I'm in the 80s now, and 80 is a 00:03:12.300 --> 00:03:15.840 new beginning, but it's a completion. And I can 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:19.699 see a shifting in my ministry because... There 00:03:19.699 --> 00:03:23.759 are things happening from inside you, which is 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:26.259 more important than the things which are outside. 00:03:26.659 --> 00:03:30.080 God has used all our lives through the different 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:33.360 seasons, because every decade I look back, I 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:37.189 was in the 20s when I traveled with Gwen. I was 00:03:37.189 --> 00:03:41.469 in the 30s and 40s when we've been with a handmaiden. 00:03:41.490 --> 00:03:45.909 And in the 40s, we lived in South Africa for 00:03:45.909 --> 00:03:50.710 10 years. And we came back in the 50s and 60s 00:03:50.710 --> 00:03:55.330 to move about from America again. And when I 00:03:55.330 --> 00:03:59.430 look back, every decade in your life has a significance. 00:04:00.409 --> 00:04:03.069 And I just thank the Lord for it, that we don't 00:04:03.069 --> 00:04:06.710 strive the same way that he does things within 00:04:06.710 --> 00:04:10.449 you to accomplish what he has spoken so many 00:04:10.449 --> 00:04:13.810 years in your life and through your life. That's 00:04:13.810 --> 00:04:17.329 very true. That's very true. And there are seasons, 00:04:17.470 --> 00:04:20.209 and God is always doing something new all the 00:04:20.209 --> 00:04:23.129 time. In our discussion before we started recording, 00:04:23.389 --> 00:04:27.829 we talked about how your priorities change. Yes. 00:04:28.250 --> 00:04:30.569 As life goes on, your priorities change. But 00:04:30.569 --> 00:04:32.730 it's all about, you know, the older you get, 00:04:32.790 --> 00:04:35.050 the closer you are to eternity. You know, you 00:04:35.050 --> 00:04:38.170 lift your life. I mean, it says you overcome 00:04:38.170 --> 00:04:41.310 the evil one with your testimony and the blood 00:04:41.310 --> 00:04:44.269 of the Lamb. Now, the testimony is always what 00:04:44.269 --> 00:04:47.230 you have lived through. So your testimony is 00:04:47.230 --> 00:04:50.550 bigger now than it ever has been because you 00:04:50.550 --> 00:04:54.600 accumulated the defeats and the victories. and 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:57.600 the light and the darkness so God can accomplish 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:01.360 in you and through you whatever He wants. For 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:03.740 instance, I'm thinking back as I knew I would 00:05:03.740 --> 00:05:08.379 do this broadcast with you, how God used Gwen 00:05:08.379 --> 00:05:12.240 in my life to take me out of Germany. I remember, 00:05:12.459 --> 00:05:15.300 I mean, when she came to Germany, that was in 00:05:15.300 --> 00:05:18.600 the 70s, so I would have been something in the 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:23.790 20s, late 20s. And I remember she comes up to 00:05:23.790 --> 00:05:27.089 me, and I was interpreting for her as she was 00:05:27.089 --> 00:05:30.029 preaching in Germany, and I was interpreting 00:05:30.029 --> 00:05:34.620 into German. And she came and said to me, One 00:05:34.620 --> 00:05:37.899 day you're going to travel with me. Now, I couldn't 00:05:37.899 --> 00:05:40.839 even imagine that, living in Germany, just coming 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:43.980 out of Bible school. And she said, here, I give 00:05:43.980 --> 00:05:46.879 you something. This is the sign that you're going 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:50.319 to do that. And she gave me a $100 bill. Now, 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.660 for me in those days, a $100 bill, it's like 00:05:53.660 --> 00:05:58.620 somebody would give me now $1 ,000 in the effect 00:05:58.620 --> 00:06:02.500 of what it had in my life. And you know, these 00:06:02.500 --> 00:06:05.040 things, when you look back, how they have come 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:08.920 through in your life, it's amazing because the 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:11.720 whole perspective, when you look back in your 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.740 life, takes on a new fullness and a new color. 00:06:16.329 --> 00:06:20.069 and a new dimension because the hurts and the 00:06:20.069 --> 00:06:24.269 struggles and the victories are not that important 00:06:24.269 --> 00:06:27.550 anymore because all these are there to bring 00:06:27.550 --> 00:06:32.290 a result like purifying gold or purifying silver. 00:06:32.569 --> 00:06:36.569 We have to go to certain things to become the 00:06:36.569 --> 00:06:40.129 end product of what God wants in your life. So 00:06:40.129 --> 00:06:43.490 David and I were very excited about this phase 00:06:43.490 --> 00:06:48.189 in our life. feel that the Lord just, you know, 00:06:48.230 --> 00:06:52.509 marriage goes to its own time and season also. 00:06:52.870 --> 00:06:56.110 And I think as we look back, we're almost married 00:06:56.110 --> 00:07:01.529 50 years, 49 now. And I think we look back, you 00:07:01.529 --> 00:07:05.079 know, the ministry. has a lot of challenges in 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:08.819 marriage. And when we look back now, it's just 00:07:08.819 --> 00:07:12.019 what the Lord has done. It's so amazing that 00:07:12.019 --> 00:07:15.399 we can walk in such a peace and comfort which 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:19.279 passes all understanding. And I know that the 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:23.339 Lord has a plan for... End Time Handmaidens Global 00:07:23.339 --> 00:07:26.759 Outpouring, because he put you there, Sharon, 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:30.519 for a reason. And I know still many of these 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.339 handmaidens we know grew old. They're like me. 00:07:33.579 --> 00:07:37.360 They're in a place where we have gone through 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:40.920 things and our desire for God has brought us 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:45.470 together. in the conventions and experience level 00:07:45.470 --> 00:07:49.730 and depths of glory and anointing we would never 00:07:49.730 --> 00:07:53.430 experience if we would not start it and look 00:07:53.430 --> 00:07:57.410 for it and seen it. And I think as you're going 00:07:57.410 --> 00:08:00.670 to have that convention, it's going to be something 00:08:00.670 --> 00:08:04.189 very special because some people, they won't 00:08:04.189 --> 00:08:08.029 be there anymore after that. And, you know, Gwen 00:08:08.029 --> 00:08:10.949 had that burden. I remember when she used to 00:08:10.949 --> 00:08:14.279 pray. and cry out, and she would cry out, give 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:18.300 me 10 ,000 handmaidens, Lord. We need 10 ,000 00:08:18.300 --> 00:08:23.779 handmaidens to revolutionary the country. And, 00:08:23.779 --> 00:08:26.319 you know, I don't know if you ever got 10 ,000, 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:29.420 but I know that the Lord has used women throughout 00:08:29.420 --> 00:08:34.720 to change things and to bring a new direction 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:38.929 and a depth. to what God wants to do. And that's 00:08:38.929 --> 00:08:41.370 a new season now. You know, we need young women 00:08:41.370 --> 00:08:45.309 now. Yes. We can impart. So I think I said to 00:08:45.309 --> 00:08:48.809 David, we feel like the Wombrands or like the 00:08:48.809 --> 00:08:52.350 people we used to visit, like the Refuseniks 00:08:52.350 --> 00:08:56.720 in Alaska. Certainly they are there. They live 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:59.820 to the heights and depths of whatever they live. 00:09:00.019 --> 00:09:03.000 And then they're in a little house in America, 00:09:03.059 --> 00:09:05.799 and they said, now we're just little old people. 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:10.480 But these little old people had such an effect 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:14.279 to revolutionize country and nations and generations. 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:18.379 And I know when I look back, I can just say that 00:09:18.379 --> 00:09:21.539 all we can do is run with all our strength, give 00:09:21.539 --> 00:09:25.240 with all what we got, and let God use us whatever 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:28.759 he needs to use us. And we're going to pray that 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:32.480 God will really bless this convention in St. 00:09:32.620 --> 00:09:36.350 Louis. that you step out by faith and really 00:09:36.350 --> 00:09:39.850 want to see God move, that God can really break 00:09:39.850 --> 00:09:43.710 through on a level He only can do it in times 00:09:43.710 --> 00:09:46.610 and seasons like this. I mean, we live in an 00:09:46.610 --> 00:09:49.990 amazing season right now. God has answered so 00:09:49.990 --> 00:09:53.950 many prayers. It's amazing. I mean, I tell you 00:09:53.950 --> 00:09:58.649 something, I've fretted here in years past when 00:09:58.649 --> 00:10:03.110 these things look like politically. And the things 00:10:03.110 --> 00:10:05.889 looked like they've come to fulfillment, what 00:10:05.889 --> 00:10:08.870 they used to teach us in communism. The people 00:10:08.870 --> 00:10:11.769 remember I went 10 years to communistic school. 00:10:12.129 --> 00:10:14.850 And when I would come here, that was always my 00:10:14.850 --> 00:10:18.909 cry that America would wake up. So because they 00:10:18.909 --> 00:10:20.929 said, we're going to take the country from the 00:10:20.929 --> 00:10:23.870 thing. And you can see that's really what happened. 00:10:24.090 --> 00:10:27.649 The country is taken from the thing. And I just 00:10:27.649 --> 00:10:30.169 thank the Lord that he is raising up people who 00:10:30.169 --> 00:10:33.990 rise against. the very things the devil wants 00:10:33.990 --> 00:10:37.309 to destroy this country. And we need to pray 00:10:37.309 --> 00:10:40.470 for President Trump and for the administration 00:10:40.470 --> 00:10:44.590 because this is God -given for such a time as 00:10:44.590 --> 00:10:47.830 this. Otherwise, he would have been finished, 00:10:47.990 --> 00:10:52.409 this nation. We need this administration and 00:10:52.409 --> 00:10:57.230 God putting up President Trump so that God gives 00:10:57.230 --> 00:11:01.509 time yet for America to reach the world and the 00:11:01.509 --> 00:11:05.110 nations and Israel in particular, that the Lord 00:11:05.110 --> 00:11:10.350 can help Israel to rise up out of the ashes and 00:11:10.350 --> 00:11:13.929 out of the struggle. to fulfill our destiny because 00:11:13.929 --> 00:11:17.190 that's the time and season right now like we 00:11:17.190 --> 00:11:20.370 never lived in before. We experience things we 00:11:20.370 --> 00:11:23.730 have never experienced before. And I think God 00:11:23.730 --> 00:11:28.269 is just preparing us for this time. Very, very 00:11:28.269 --> 00:11:33.409 true. Yes. So I remember that you spoke at the 00:11:33.409 --> 00:11:37.629 very first World Convention and a number of conventions. 00:11:37.850 --> 00:11:43.080 Wow. A lot of them. Pregnant. Yes, I remember 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.399 that too. And I always consider you one of the 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:48.039 founders. You were one of the founders of this 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:51.399 ministry. So I'm so very grateful that you're 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:54.559 joining us for this one. You know, I feel like 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:58.720 we're in the season of trying to find the next 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:02.159 generation to run alongside of us so we can pass 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:05.240 the baton to them. Yeah, right. And you're the 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:08.919 one who has to pass it now, Sharon. Get ready 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:12.299 your army. Yeah, yeah. Well, I feel like you're 00:12:12.299 --> 00:12:15.419 a part of that baton passing that the people 00:12:15.419 --> 00:12:17.419 who are going to come to this convention are 00:12:17.419 --> 00:12:19.779 going to catch something from the Holy Spirit 00:12:19.779 --> 00:12:23.100 that you have to impart as well. Yeah, thank 00:12:23.100 --> 00:12:25.860 you. I'm going to do my part too, but all of 00:12:25.860 --> 00:12:30.940 us have something that is foundational that will 00:12:30.940 --> 00:12:34.620 help. the next generation to come into the fullness 00:12:34.620 --> 00:12:37.019 of what they're called to do. Absolutely. And 00:12:37.019 --> 00:12:40.720 our calling was unique. Yeah. As a group, you 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:43.740 know, because there's hardly anything. So, I 00:12:43.740 --> 00:12:45.940 mean, there are some people who do this, but 00:12:45.940 --> 00:12:49.820 just when in challenging us to risk our life 00:12:49.820 --> 00:12:53.120 in situations, just normal people, we were not 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:57.200 the Burma, whatever you call them. We were not. 00:12:57.580 --> 00:13:01.860 Anybody, just ordinary people have done extraordinary 00:13:01.860 --> 00:13:06.879 things because Gwen really pushed us over the 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:12.159 edges. She sure did. She sure did. Well, it's 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:14.220 because she went over the edges herself. Oh, 00:13:14.220 --> 00:13:18.340 yeah. Come on. She was the one who went to China. 00:13:18.909 --> 00:13:22.149 And had to flee as the communists were coming. 00:13:22.350 --> 00:13:25.490 I mean, she was there in that moment. So she, 00:13:25.590 --> 00:13:28.029 right from the beginning of her ministry, she 00:13:28.029 --> 00:13:31.090 was cutting edge in dealing with risking your 00:13:31.090 --> 00:13:34.490 life. She prayed when the magistrate said, you 00:13:34.490 --> 00:13:36.190 know, the communists are coming, they'll be here 00:13:36.190 --> 00:13:38.889 in 24 hours. She stopped and prayed and said, 00:13:38.950 --> 00:13:41.610 do I stay? I'm willing to give my life. Yeah, 00:13:41.610 --> 00:13:45.450 I know. She inspired us all to run a race and 00:13:45.450 --> 00:13:50.009 fly up the cliff to rest. To know the eagles 00:13:50.009 --> 00:14:00.149 or ducks. That's good. Some of us landed. Others 00:14:00.149 --> 00:14:03.990 of us began higher. Yeah, and we're designed 00:14:03.990 --> 00:14:07.470 to go higher. Yeah, absolutely. And let me just 00:14:07.470 --> 00:14:09.649 say this. Siggy, you were the first one that 00:14:09.649 --> 00:14:13.429 I heard speak of both you and Sister Gwen. And 00:14:13.429 --> 00:14:17.429 whatever you were preaching about, I was so resonating 00:14:17.429 --> 00:14:20.740 with it. I didn't understand what was going on. 00:14:20.779 --> 00:14:22.700 I'd had the baptism in the Holy Spirit some, 00:14:22.779 --> 00:14:26.480 maybe five years earlier. I was, oh, maybe only 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:28.480 four years earlier. I was probably 17 when I 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:31.000 heard you the first time. And I sat there and 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:34.320 I cried. And I didn't know why I was crying. 00:14:34.539 --> 00:14:37.759 But there was something about you and Sister 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:42.669 Gwen that had. an effect on me that I was resonating 00:14:42.669 --> 00:14:44.549 with it. I knew there was something about these 00:14:44.549 --> 00:14:47.029 women that were smuggling Bibles behind the iron 00:14:47.029 --> 00:14:50.490 curtain at the time that I felt connected to 00:14:50.490 --> 00:14:54.029 you. Oh, that's good. And I sat there crying, 00:14:54.129 --> 00:14:56.970 thinking maybe if I sit here crying long enough, 00:14:57.190 --> 00:14:59.330 somebody will come and lay hands on me and prophesy 00:14:59.330 --> 00:15:03.059 and tell me why I'm crying. And you. went off 00:15:03.059 --> 00:15:05.799 talking to somebody and Sister Gwen went back 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:08.299 to the book table and this was in Brother Dorn's 00:15:08.299 --> 00:15:11.080 church and they were meeting in a junior high 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:14.120 all -purpose room. So they were taking down the 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:16.899 chairs all around me. And I thought, well, I 00:15:16.899 --> 00:15:20.159 guess I'll have to dry my tears. Nobody's telling 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:25.059 me anything. But then the next time when, I'm 00:15:25.059 --> 00:15:27.539 not sure if you were with Gwen, when the next 00:15:27.539 --> 00:15:30.100 time that I came, I don't remember that part, 00:15:30.179 --> 00:15:33.779 but she was speaking. at a women's luncheon that 00:15:33.779 --> 00:15:36.759 Sister Dorn was hosting. And I had just turned 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:39.899 18 the Thursday before, and this was on a Saturday. 00:15:40.059 --> 00:15:42.399 And my sister said, I want to take you out to 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:45.299 lunch for your birthday. And she took me to this 00:15:45.299 --> 00:15:48.519 women's meeting. Oh, no kidding. And we ate lunch. 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:52.259 And as Sister Gwen was speaking, I heard the 00:15:52.259 --> 00:15:55.559 Holy Spirit say, I want you. I want you 100%. 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:58.600 And I want you right now. And I remember you 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:01.159 arriving in Angletown. I was right there when 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:05.139 you arrived. Yeah? Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:08.360 That was after the Second World Convention. Was 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:13.139 it? Yeah. It was 1977. The first one was 76. 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:16.960 So, yeah, I came, and by that time I had other 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:19.299 plans. I wasn't really sure that I wanted to 00:16:19.299 --> 00:16:22.740 be here. Yeah, I'm sure. But look at you. You've 00:16:22.740 --> 00:16:25.139 been in Angletown rooted, you and Phil. Yeah. 00:16:25.419 --> 00:16:28.139 That's right. God rooted us. God rooted us. God 00:16:28.139 --> 00:16:31.720 rooted us here. And it's been good. It's been 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:35.240 so wonderful. You know, some of the stories that 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:37.600 you have lived through, some of those testimonies 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:40.039 that, you know, you're talking about, your life 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:43.299 is your testimony. Yeah, the word testimony is 00:16:43.299 --> 00:16:49.139 the first part is test. Yeah. It's true. And 00:16:49.139 --> 00:16:52.330 it really means a witness. You are a witness 00:16:52.330 --> 00:16:55.549 to things. So, you know, tell us a story or two 00:16:55.549 --> 00:16:59.009 of things that you have witnessed in your ministry 00:16:59.009 --> 00:17:03.610 that were so sovereign that you know that God 00:17:03.610 --> 00:17:06.630 did these things. Well, one thing is for sure 00:17:06.630 --> 00:17:09.490 is because how God called us to South Africa. 00:17:09.589 --> 00:17:13.289 Yeah. Because that was in 1980. We were still 00:17:13.289 --> 00:17:16.960 living in Angletown. And I felt that the Lord 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:19.720 spoke to me, it's time for you to go to South 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:25.099 Africa. Now, as I was about nine years old, something 00:17:25.099 --> 00:17:28.140 like that, we didn't have a TV. We still lived 00:17:28.140 --> 00:17:31.519 in East Berlin. And to see the news, we would 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:34.140 go to the movie theater where they would have 00:17:34.140 --> 00:17:37.400 the news and we would watch the news. So my dad 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:40.539 took me to see the news and they had a riot. 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:45.559 in South Africa in the 60s or something in Joburg. 00:17:45.859 --> 00:17:49.259 And the Lord spoke to me as a child then. And 00:17:49.259 --> 00:17:51.599 he says, one day you're going to be in South 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:56.400 Africa. Wow. I didn't know that. Yeah. So I forgot 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:59.970 about it. And when the Lord... spoke to my heart. 00:18:00.029 --> 00:18:02.410 And he says, I want you to go to South Africa. 00:18:02.809 --> 00:18:05.390 Then I said, but Lord, I didn't know anything 00:18:05.390 --> 00:18:09.089 about apartheid or that even the seasons were 00:18:09.089 --> 00:18:12.289 different. Because in the 70s, I traveled with 00:18:12.289 --> 00:18:15.329 Gwen mostly to India and Pakistan, the whole 00:18:15.329 --> 00:18:19.009 70s. And we smuggled Bibles to Russia. And that 00:18:19.009 --> 00:18:22.369 was the years I traveled with Gwen. So when we 00:18:22.369 --> 00:18:25.049 traveled around the world, I remember her and 00:18:25.049 --> 00:18:29.539 I, we traveled. for eight months around the world 00:18:29.539 --> 00:18:33.920 trip. And we went to about 12, 15 nations that 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:37.079 eight, nine months. And I learned then how to 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:39.480 live by faith because she didn't have much money 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:43.900 either. And sometimes we would have spent $100 00:18:43.900 --> 00:18:48.019 in a hotel room and we only had $100. So I learned 00:18:48.019 --> 00:18:51.180 there how to live by faith. So when the Lord 00:18:51.180 --> 00:18:54.480 spoke to me that I would go to South Africa, 00:18:54.579 --> 00:18:57.349 I said, Lord, you have to give me. a confirmation 00:18:57.349 --> 00:19:01.769 to that revelation. And we went to one of the 00:19:01.769 --> 00:19:06.769 meetings, I forget, and a man came to me, a brother, 00:19:07.009 --> 00:19:11.349 and he cries, and he says, the Lord told me that 00:19:11.349 --> 00:19:15.369 you need a confirmation, and he gave me a Krugerrand 00:19:15.369 --> 00:19:19.509 in my hand. Oh, wow. For those who don't know, 00:19:19.529 --> 00:19:21.650 what is a Krugerrand? Krugerrand, yeah. It's 00:19:21.650 --> 00:19:27.470 a gold coin from South Africa. Yeah. So as he 00:19:27.470 --> 00:19:30.990 got me that gold coin, I knew I was going to 00:19:30.990 --> 00:19:34.650 go. Wow. So that's how we started. We started, 00:19:34.769 --> 00:19:37.210 we went. Remember, we had Barbara Elizabeth with 00:19:37.210 --> 00:19:41.210 us. Yeah. And we were six of us, and we started, 00:19:41.309 --> 00:19:44.970 and God opened amazing doors in South Africa 00:19:44.970 --> 00:19:49.190 for me. Wow. Yeah. So eventually we stayed there 00:19:49.190 --> 00:19:52.900 about 10 years. you know, coming and going and 00:19:52.900 --> 00:19:56.460 getting our visas. And I've seen God's hand move 00:19:56.460 --> 00:19:59.920 miraculously. I mean, the doors the Lord opened 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:03.259 for me, they're still open. We know people now 00:20:03.259 --> 00:20:07.140 40 years. We've grown old with them. Every year 00:20:07.140 --> 00:20:09.799 we've seen them. Our kids are old. You know, 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:12.740 the snowmen, like in Cape Town, I know them from 00:20:12.740 --> 00:20:15.700 the time they're open. I've seen their revivals, 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:18.900 and I've seen what God has done. And now we're 00:20:18.900 --> 00:20:21.839 all old, you know, and we can just talk about 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:24.539 what God has done. It's amazing. You have only 00:20:24.539 --> 00:20:26.920 one life to live. That's only what I can say 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.059 to the young people. You have only one life to 00:20:30.059 --> 00:20:33.119 live. If you don't give it all and you hold back, 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:36.000 you will never really know what God can do with 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:39.960 an ordinary person. There's nobody more ordinary 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:44.660 than us to make extraordinary things in our life. 00:20:44.779 --> 00:20:48.349 So that's all. I think that was one big part 00:20:48.349 --> 00:20:50.890 of my life. I think South Africa, we're gone 00:20:50.890 --> 00:20:55.130 now every year, sometimes twice, over 40 years. 00:20:55.470 --> 00:20:59.750 Wow. That's amazing. It's like being home when 00:20:59.750 --> 00:21:04.509 we go there. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I love that. You 00:21:04.509 --> 00:21:08.029 know, it just amazes me how much God can get 00:21:08.029 --> 00:21:11.630 done with ordinary people. And really, everybody 00:21:11.630 --> 00:21:14.130 that he has to work with is broken in some way. 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:19.359 Of course. So he builds amazing things. And that's 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:22.039 how we know it's God. Because all he has to work 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:24.819 with is broken people. Yes, absolutely. But he 00:21:24.819 --> 00:21:29.039 makes us old. You're not the same as when we 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:32.799 started broken. He finds up our wounds. Yes. 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:35.920 Sometimes you forget even the pain. You have 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:38.680 to remember what you had for pain and travail. 00:21:39.789 --> 00:21:42.730 Christ. But if we wouldn't have these pains and 00:21:42.730 --> 00:21:45.250 these travails, we wouldn't birth it either. 00:21:45.410 --> 00:21:49.069 So these pains and these cries and these things 00:21:49.069 --> 00:21:52.269 we carried, we had to birth a new dimension in 00:21:52.269 --> 00:21:55.450 our life. And I thank God for that because he 00:21:55.450 --> 00:21:58.670 made us whole where we've been wounded and he 00:21:58.670 --> 00:22:03.089 helped us where we lacked. Now we get the different 00:22:03.089 --> 00:22:07.039 things. Now our body... decreases as we increase. 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:11.079 And we have to deal with other things. It's a 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:13.819 different phase in your life where you have to 00:22:13.819 --> 00:22:16.339 deal with things you thought you never deal with. 00:22:16.500 --> 00:22:20.019 But all the old people had to deal with it. So 00:22:20.019 --> 00:22:25.509 God is helping us to renew our youth. Yes. Strengthen 00:22:25.509 --> 00:22:28.990 us to run our race. You know, my brother is now 00:22:28.990 --> 00:22:32.309 90 years old. Oh, really? We went up there to 00:22:32.309 --> 00:22:34.990 celebrate his birthday last year. This year he's 00:22:34.990 --> 00:22:38.529 91. And what he has done in his life, he's telling 00:22:38.529 --> 00:22:42.109 me, he said, I never knew what I have gone through. 00:22:42.170 --> 00:22:45.569 He went to two divorces. He wanted to be in ministry. 00:22:46.170 --> 00:22:49.910 So in those days when he got divorced, you couldn't 00:22:49.910 --> 00:22:52.190 be in ministry, period. You know, he didn't. 00:22:52.470 --> 00:22:56.869 So he went to that. And now you look at his life. 00:22:57.089 --> 00:23:00.250 God prospered him so much when you look what 00:23:00.250 --> 00:23:04.009 God has done in his life. Just what I see, he 00:23:04.009 --> 00:23:08.789 has built a ministry in Botswana. He built a 00:23:08.789 --> 00:23:12.799 church, a children's home. He built this big 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:15.779 church in East London, and that's a story itself. 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:19.619 Jennifer calls me. That was maybe 10 years ago. 00:23:19.700 --> 00:23:22.920 This is his wife. She said, Ryan wants to travel 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:26.900 with you for one week and just see what you do 00:23:26.900 --> 00:23:30.460 there. So we met him in Cape Town. He came with 00:23:30.460 --> 00:23:33.640 us. Some friends always give us some cars, so 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:36.720 we had the car. We drove all the way from Cape 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:39.299 Town, you know, the Garden Route to Platt and 00:23:39.299 --> 00:23:42.890 so on. And as we came to East London, now they 00:23:42.890 --> 00:23:45.769 became friends of ours as Rocco and Maureen. 00:23:46.250 --> 00:23:49.630 And their church, they're a white Africana couple, 00:23:49.690 --> 00:23:52.250 and they have a black church. Now, they didn't 00:23:52.250 --> 00:23:55.009 start out black. It's in the middle of East London. 00:23:55.490 --> 00:23:59.289 And then they had the old Baptist church, and 00:23:59.289 --> 00:24:02.710 the people was pressed into that church. Whole 00:24:02.710 --> 00:24:07.930 500, 600, they had about three meetings in the 00:24:07.930 --> 00:24:11.250 morning to get all the people in. So my brother 00:24:11.250 --> 00:24:16.329 comes there and he sees they have a plan in front 00:24:16.329 --> 00:24:19.269 how they're going to build a church. And all 00:24:19.269 --> 00:24:22.069 the little kids come with little jars and coins 00:24:22.069 --> 00:24:25.910 and put it on the altar. And my brother, the 00:24:25.910 --> 00:24:29.369 Lord moved my brother without anything to say. 00:24:29.529 --> 00:24:32.930 He went back home and he raised the money to 00:24:32.930 --> 00:24:36.609 build this fantastic church in the middle of 00:24:36.609 --> 00:24:40.430 East London. And you can see it now. It's a huge 00:24:40.430 --> 00:24:44.250 church. Now their church gets so full, it can 00:24:44.250 --> 00:24:47.990 get in about 1 ,200 people, I think. Wow. That 00:24:47.990 --> 00:24:51.430 they have to start maybe two meetings. And they 00:24:51.430 --> 00:24:54.430 have a mission. You should go there sometimes 00:24:54.430 --> 00:24:58.089 when you go to East London, or when you've been 00:24:58.089 --> 00:25:00.789 there in East London and the newbie. You can 00:25:00.789 --> 00:25:04.470 go and minister there. It's so fantastic what 00:25:04.470 --> 00:25:07.549 God is doing to that church in the middle of 00:25:07.549 --> 00:25:11.009 East London. And you know now that my brother... 00:25:11.210 --> 00:25:14.710 On top of it, he built a hospital in the Congo. 00:25:15.190 --> 00:25:19.490 And now they're involved with a hospital in Honduras, 00:25:19.549 --> 00:25:25.170 I think. So God has done things out of a broken 00:25:25.170 --> 00:25:28.990 life. You know, as he was broken, and he's my 00:25:28.990 --> 00:25:32.569 brother, was the one I got saved. Really? Yes, 00:25:32.690 --> 00:25:36.980 he came. I was so lost. In Germany, I immigrated 00:25:36.980 --> 00:25:39.759 three times in my life. I immigrated twice to 00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:44.079 Canada, I immigrated to America. And as I immigrated 00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:47.980 the first time, I was only 16. By myself, I couldn't 00:25:47.980 --> 00:25:53.039 speak English or anything. So I went back to 00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:56.859 Germany when I was 18, totally confused, messed 00:25:56.859 --> 00:26:01.059 up. And the Lord spoke to my brother, and he 00:26:01.059 --> 00:26:04.150 said with his wife, Dana, I want you to go to 00:26:04.150 --> 00:26:08.210 Germany. So he came to Germany thinking that 00:26:08.210 --> 00:26:10.690 God is going to open the door because he was 00:26:10.690 --> 00:26:13.910 going to be a missionary in Germany because he 00:26:13.910 --> 00:26:16.430 thought the Germans, you know, are not open. 00:26:16.470 --> 00:26:20.509 We all struggled with our survival yet. And see, 00:26:20.650 --> 00:26:26.509 the wall was still in place in Germany. So when 00:26:26.509 --> 00:26:30.210 he came, nobody accepted him because he was too 00:26:30.210 --> 00:26:34.680 stiff. for the Pentecostals and too vile for 00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:40.079 the Baptists. He was in the middle. So I remember 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:43.839 between New Year's and Christmas, that was just 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:49.160 New Year's, I think in 1969, 68, turning 16, 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:54.640 no, 65 or 64. So he comes to me and he said, 00:26:54.740 --> 00:26:57.400 see, it's time that you give your life to Jesus. 00:26:58.059 --> 00:27:01.240 And you know, you got Houston coming all the 00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:06.640 way from Canada to save me. I would surrender 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:11.019 to the Lord right there as he brought me to the 00:27:11.019 --> 00:27:14.519 Lord. And he practically just came so I could 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:18.200 get saved. And then he left. He went back to 00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:21.359 Canada. He went to a divorce. He had to start. 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:25.420 He started the business. And now he's 91 years 00:27:25.420 --> 00:27:30.500 old. You can see how God used that broken life 00:27:30.500 --> 00:27:36.240 to build something through his life, which only 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:40.680 God could use him for. And I just thank God that 00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:45.519 he can use us just when we're willing to be used 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:49.019 for his purpose. So that was one of my great 00:27:49.019 --> 00:27:53.119 experiences. to see my brother all these years. 00:27:53.460 --> 00:27:55.920 And you know, as he was, he had this business. 00:27:55.940 --> 00:28:00.539 He retired when he was about 74. And they had 00:28:00.539 --> 00:28:04.200 a huge party. And all the business people came. 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:07.579 And all his employees came. He had more than 00:28:07.579 --> 00:28:11.579 one business. Employees came and they gave testimony. 00:28:11.579 --> 00:28:15.160 And I never forget that one guy, one of his managers, 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:20.180 he said, I just want to tell you. We couldn't 00:28:20.180 --> 00:28:25.660 wait to go to work because we felt such a presence 00:28:25.660 --> 00:28:30.779 in this job. And that's how the Lord used my 00:28:30.779 --> 00:28:35.380 brother in such a way to enhance the kingdom. 00:28:35.819 --> 00:28:40.759 And, you know, he's not known in any big ministries, 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:45.019 just a little old man. But he reached so many 00:28:45.019 --> 00:28:48.220 people. And I just thank the Lord for his life. 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:51.259 He touched my life. And he helped us many times 00:28:51.259 --> 00:28:55.420 to go on our trips and to do the things we needed 00:28:55.420 --> 00:28:59.859 to do. And, you know, God is amazing. He was 00:28:59.859 --> 00:29:03.880 almost 17 when he escaped to Canada. I remember 00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.660 I was nine years old when he escaped. And he 00:29:07.660 --> 00:29:10.420 couldn't speak any English. And he would come 00:29:10.420 --> 00:29:13.839 to Canada. He didn't know anybody. He started 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:17.559 from scratch in the oil fields and Yukon and 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:20.799 did all kinds of things. And look at him. If 00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.319 you just surrender your life, even if you make 00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:27.500 mistakes, God uses you to touch lives. And how 00:29:27.500 --> 00:29:31.059 his life has touched. When I go to East London, 00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.099 that's why. It's such a memorial when you see 00:29:34.099 --> 00:29:38.779 that church. It reaches the whole. There's no 00:29:38.779 --> 00:29:42.160 more beautiful church than this church in the 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.539 middle of the downtown of East London. So that 00:29:45.539 --> 00:29:49.099 is a big testimony at the area. That's tremendous. 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:53.500 You know, you said a word that I'd like you to 00:29:53.500 --> 00:29:56.279 expound on a little bit. You said the word surrender. 00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.980 Surrender your life. And that's, you know, that's 00:29:59.980 --> 00:30:04.480 kind of how we grew up in this ministry was with 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.640 the idea of surrender. As you surrender, then... 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.720 You know, when you give up your will, then God's 00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:12.819 will can be done. Yeah, yeah. So tell us a little 00:30:12.819 --> 00:30:15.000 bit more about your experiences with surrender. 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:19.359 Well, I think it's very practical, really. Like, 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:21.819 for instance, the first time I smuggled Bibles 00:30:21.819 --> 00:30:25.119 with Gwen into Czechoslovakia. Now that's written 00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:29.400 in that book, Sigi and I. So now I've been a 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.359 smuggler since I've been little. We smuggled 00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:36.109 cheese and wool. And, you know, we had Angora 00:30:36.109 --> 00:30:39.170 rabbit. We smuggled the wool out and we smuggled 00:30:39.170 --> 00:30:43.490 things in so we could live. So I knew about smuggling. 00:30:43.529 --> 00:30:47.049 And many times we would be pulled out and I had 00:30:47.049 --> 00:30:50.569 experience. Now it's easy to surrender if you 00:30:50.569 --> 00:30:53.150 don't have any experience. I always tell this 00:30:53.150 --> 00:30:55.549 story. For instance, when you smuggle Bible, 00:30:55.769 --> 00:30:59.390 you take two Americans who had no experiences 00:30:59.390 --> 00:31:04.200 or you take. Two Germans, like Herman, for instance, 00:31:04.420 --> 00:31:08.519 remember? And me. Me living behind the Iron Curtain. 00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:12.599 Herman, five years in the slavery, Polish slave 00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:16.119 labor camp. And then two Americans or three who 00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:19.799 only have an ideal. They're going to do this. 00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.819 Now, we are four of us, but we will not react 00:31:22.819 --> 00:31:26.799 the same. The two of us, you have no scars. You 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.140 just praise the Lord. Thank the Lord. Hallelujah. 00:31:30.109 --> 00:31:33.329 But us who have scars, who've been almost killed 00:31:33.329 --> 00:31:37.170 or dragged out, who've been persecuted by the 00:31:37.170 --> 00:31:40.430 communists, we know what they're doing. We react 00:31:40.430 --> 00:31:44.250 different. Our surrender is not just raising 00:31:44.250 --> 00:31:48.730 the hand. We feel the feelings of what could 00:31:48.730 --> 00:31:52.650 happen because we experienced it in our life. 00:31:52.950 --> 00:31:56.470 And I remember when we started that and I realized 00:31:56.470 --> 00:32:00.769 when I came to the borders, I was scared because 00:32:00.769 --> 00:32:03.190 I knew what would happen. Like when we went to 00:32:03.190 --> 00:32:06.130 smuggle Bibles. Now, I've been a smuggler and 00:32:06.130 --> 00:32:09.150 we hid it and that. And when Gwen and I went 00:32:09.150 --> 00:32:13.630 and I said to her, well, how do we get this in? 00:32:13.690 --> 00:32:16.869 It's not smuggling. You just load the Bibles 00:32:16.869 --> 00:32:19.809 up. Anybody can see it. She said, yeah, you have 00:32:19.809 --> 00:32:22.829 to trust the Lord. Now, that night, I couldn't 00:32:22.829 --> 00:32:26.460 hardly sleep. Because I know, I said, it's not 00:32:26.460 --> 00:32:30.180 what I do. I mean, before I would hide. I would 00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:34.759 hide the stuff. We would hide behind the legs 00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:38.500 of people. We would run around into different 00:32:38.500 --> 00:32:43.200 compartments to get away from the soldiers. And 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.259 they would snatch us. And I remember Crystal, 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.900 I would say, you know, everybody can take everything 00:32:49.900 --> 00:32:54.289 away. But the only thing what we can do is. What 00:32:54.289 --> 00:32:58.150 they can take is what we eat. So sometimes when 00:32:58.150 --> 00:33:01.410 we had these sheets and this milk powder, before 00:33:01.410 --> 00:33:04.289 we would come to the border, we would eat it. 00:33:04.670 --> 00:33:08.210 Because I thought, oh, if I had my bill, I was 00:33:08.210 --> 00:33:11.470 not hungry. When I was hungry, it was not my 00:33:11.470 --> 00:33:15.369 point. The point was that I had something somewhere 00:33:15.369 --> 00:33:18.490 where they could not steal it. Because anything 00:33:18.490 --> 00:33:22.180 on the outside, anybody can take from you. And 00:33:22.180 --> 00:33:24.920 I thought, this is one thing they cannot take. 00:33:25.220 --> 00:33:28.859 So when I came to the border with Gwen and the 00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:32.940 woman started to load the car, I said, that's 00:33:32.940 --> 00:33:36.200 not smuggling. That's just bringing them in. 00:33:36.380 --> 00:33:39.900 And then that night, I had to come to the place. 00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:43.940 I would shake in my bed because I knew what it 00:33:43.940 --> 00:33:46.660 was like to cross the border, as I crossed many. 00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:50.039 I would shake and I would sweat. And I thought, 00:33:50.220 --> 00:33:53.200 oh, my golly, my ministry is finished before 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.700 it started already. And, you know, that surrender 00:33:56.700 --> 00:34:01.299 is not that you have a feeling, that you do it 00:34:01.299 --> 00:34:04.700 in spite of your feeling, that your commitment 00:34:04.700 --> 00:34:08.219 becomes bigger than your fears. I can't say that 00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:12.280 I've ever been fearless. Perfect love casts out 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.420 all fear. I can't say that. I can't say I've 00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:18.920 done things without fear. Everything I have done, 00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:23.900 dangerous. I dealt with fear. But my commitment 00:34:23.900 --> 00:34:28.920 to surrender is to surrender these fears and 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.019 to trust the Lord and to say, Lord, here am I. 00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:35.260 Whatever happened, happened. To come to that 00:34:35.260 --> 00:34:38.420 place is like being kicked out of the nest. And 00:34:38.420 --> 00:34:40.829 that's the only way. You're going to learn how 00:34:40.829 --> 00:34:44.849 to fly. Otherwise, you never. Our instinct of 00:34:44.849 --> 00:34:48.849 self -preservation is so strong. Yes. I mean, 00:34:49.050 --> 00:34:52.769 I admire. We need young people. They have to 00:34:52.769 --> 00:34:56.500 do certain things now. And God is raising up 00:34:56.500 --> 00:34:59.599 some young people. I've watched, and I thank 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:03.420 God. They're fearless to go into the colleges. 00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:07.760 They're fearless to confront these students, 00:35:08.179 --> 00:35:12.539 Hamas. They look fearless. But I know to come 00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:15.699 to that place, they have to surrender their fears 00:35:15.699 --> 00:35:20.260 so God can give them the ability to function 00:35:20.260 --> 00:35:24.820 in that surrender. and to be used as that instrument 00:35:24.820 --> 00:35:29.980 for his glory. So it's not easy, but it's possible. 00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:33.900 And remember, the mother eagle kicks you out 00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:37.719 of the nest. She doesn't teach you how to fly. 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:41.420 You have to skip. And she kicks you. Then when 00:35:41.420 --> 00:35:43.679 you kick, then you realize you're not a sick 00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:48.619 kid. Hallelujah, me. That's good. That's good. 00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:51.719 But the mother eagle does also fly down underneath 00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:54.340 in case you're just in free fall. But she has 00:35:54.340 --> 00:35:58.559 to fall a while. Then she catches it. That's 00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.739 what the Lord does. He lets us fall. And see 00:36:01.739 --> 00:36:06.889 what you do in that fall. Wow. Wow, that's a 00:36:06.889 --> 00:36:09.889 good illustration. Life is not easy, but it's 00:36:09.889 --> 00:36:14.750 worth it. Yes, very, very true. Very, very true. 00:36:14.829 --> 00:36:18.230 And it's really for the glory of God. And I'm 00:36:18.230 --> 00:36:21.110 sure you've seen occasions where, like talking 00:36:21.110 --> 00:36:24.010 about your brother, it's for the glory of God. 00:36:24.110 --> 00:36:28.210 What He does in each of our lives as He leads 00:36:28.210 --> 00:36:31.630 us by His Spirit is something that is going to 00:36:31.630 --> 00:36:35.389 be for His glory, even if we have to suffer some. 00:36:36.049 --> 00:36:39.929 Yes. You have to come to that place to do it. 00:36:40.010 --> 00:36:42.730 I mean, not everybody who is wealthy does that. 00:36:43.469 --> 00:36:48.170 That's true. Very few. Because he gives millions 00:36:48.170 --> 00:36:53.070 to missions. That's amazing. You know, I'm reminded 00:36:53.070 --> 00:36:55.349 of, I don't know if you've seen the book that 00:36:55.349 --> 00:36:58.550 I wrote, Rich Wounds. No, I've never read it. 00:36:58.610 --> 00:37:01.050 No. Okay. I think I haven't seen you since I 00:37:01.050 --> 00:37:03.630 wrote that book. It's an eternal perspective 00:37:03.630 --> 00:37:07.929 on suffering. Oh, good. And I got the initial 00:37:07.929 --> 00:37:11.789 revelation, the initial experience happened in 00:37:11.789 --> 00:37:14.730 South Africa. God used South Africa in my life 00:37:14.730 --> 00:37:17.829 as well. And it's an interesting connection there. 00:37:17.889 --> 00:37:20.969 There's something very special about South Africa 00:37:20.969 --> 00:37:23.610 because it is also a melting pot like America. 00:37:23.889 --> 00:37:25.929 And you know, now we really have to pray because 00:37:25.929 --> 00:37:28.650 the government looks like it's collapsing. Oh, 00:37:28.650 --> 00:37:30.730 really? Yeah. Hadn't been following that. Wow. 00:37:31.179 --> 00:37:33.159 Well, we'll add that to our prayers. Yeah, because 00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:36.199 the people are suffering there. I mean, what 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:40.039 they do, first they had all these shutdowns for 00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:43.659 hours and hours, but now they make the electricity 00:37:43.659 --> 00:37:46.920 so high that some of the people we know have 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.699 to sell their houses because they can't pay their 00:37:49.699 --> 00:37:53.599 electricity. Oh, my goodness. It's very bad. 00:37:54.300 --> 00:37:57.679 Wow. Wow, wow, wow. So what my brother done, 00:37:57.900 --> 00:38:01.489 he actually... put solar panels on the church 00:38:01.489 --> 00:38:06.130 because the church has no windows and anything. 00:38:06.389 --> 00:38:08.909 So when the power went out, they were sitting 00:38:08.909 --> 00:38:12.530 in the dark and they had no microphone. So he 00:38:12.530 --> 00:38:16.710 invested in solar panels on the church just a 00:38:16.710 --> 00:38:20.489 few years ago. So that changed their whole life 00:38:20.489 --> 00:38:25.880 now. Wow. Wow, that's glorious. Well, Siggy, 00:38:25.940 --> 00:38:28.360 we really appreciate you taking time with us 00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:32.300 today. Oh, no, love it. Did you have any other 00:38:32.300 --> 00:38:34.780 stories? No, I have lots of them, but I think 00:38:34.780 --> 00:38:38.139 that's enough. Okay. Well, I'm sure you'll tell 00:38:38.139 --> 00:38:40.739 some more at the convention. I'm sure you will. 00:38:40.900 --> 00:38:43.079 And I know that the Lord is going to give you 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:46.219 a word. One of the things I enjoy about watching 00:38:46.219 --> 00:38:49.550 you get ready for ministry. is that you're just 00:38:49.550 --> 00:38:52.469 sitting there or standing there worshiping, and 00:38:52.469 --> 00:38:54.170 then all of a sudden you sit down and you start 00:38:54.170 --> 00:38:56.050 rolling through your Bible and putting markers 00:38:56.050 --> 00:38:58.489 in about what the Lord is giving you in that 00:38:58.489 --> 00:39:01.809 moment for the word that you're about to bring 00:39:01.809 --> 00:39:04.150 on the platform. I just love how the Holy Spirit 00:39:04.150 --> 00:39:07.130 does that. And actually, I minister that way 00:39:07.130 --> 00:39:09.989 more than any other way. There's lots of times 00:39:09.989 --> 00:39:12.710 that I'll make notes and then never use them. 00:39:12.949 --> 00:39:17.820 Did you enjoy your trip to Chicago? No. Oh, yes. 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:21.460 Yes, we did. We had a wonderful time ministering 00:39:21.460 --> 00:39:23.960 in different places in the Midwest, and it was 00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:27.980 really, really good. Good. Yeah. So would you 00:39:27.980 --> 00:39:32.769 pray for our listeners? Yes. Lord Jesus, I just 00:39:32.769 --> 00:39:35.730 thank you so much for the opportunity to just 00:39:35.730 --> 00:39:39.869 share our testimony. Lord, just for the opportunity 00:39:39.869 --> 00:39:42.949 to see Sharon and Phil and to see what they're 00:39:42.949 --> 00:39:46.230 doing. And Lord, we pray for everyone who listens. 00:39:46.469 --> 00:39:50.329 And you know everybody's pain and you know everybody's 00:39:50.329 --> 00:39:53.550 joy. You know everybody, Lord, who struggles. 00:39:53.969 --> 00:39:56.849 And Lord, I thank you that in every struggle 00:39:56.849 --> 00:40:00.550 to change Jacob into Israel, that no struggle 00:40:00.550 --> 00:40:03.590 is... in vain because you make us overcome us. 00:40:03.730 --> 00:40:07.670 And I pray right now that you reach down to everyone, 00:40:07.929 --> 00:40:10.429 oh God, who's discouraged, give them courage. 00:40:10.730 --> 00:40:14.190 Who is sick, make them healthy. Lord, fulfill 00:40:14.190 --> 00:40:17.590 their destiny in their lives. That is most of 00:40:17.590 --> 00:40:20.349 all. And Lord, I just pray for the convention 00:40:20.349 --> 00:40:23.690 too. I pray that you draw your people, Lord, 00:40:23.789 --> 00:40:26.469 and that you're going to do what you need to 00:40:26.469 --> 00:40:30.829 do and share and feel that burden. Lord, to bring 00:40:30.829 --> 00:40:34.349 your people together, Lord, just like in the 00:40:34.349 --> 00:40:38.489 time of Jubilee, Lord. Lord Jesus, will the slaves 00:40:38.489 --> 00:40:42.050 set free and will people regain their properties. 00:40:42.510 --> 00:40:45.989 And Lord, where there comes a harvest which is 00:40:45.989 --> 00:40:49.309 not sown by man. And I just thank you, Lord, 00:40:49.369 --> 00:40:52.730 for the power and anointing of your Spirit. Encourage 00:40:52.730 --> 00:40:55.889 everyone right now, Lord. Encourage Sharon and 00:40:55.889 --> 00:40:59.010 Phil. As they're planning and preparing this 00:40:59.010 --> 00:41:02.829 convention for every speaker, Lord Jesus, we 00:41:02.829 --> 00:41:06.190 don't just want to do things to do, but we're 00:41:06.190 --> 00:41:09.710 doing things because in doing so, you're going 00:41:09.710 --> 00:41:13.110 to manifest your power and you manifest your 00:41:13.110 --> 00:41:16.710 glory. So bless Sharon and Phil, bless Global 00:41:16.710 --> 00:41:20.199 Outpouring. everyone of God who is connected 00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:23.639 to. And I pray that you bring a hunger in our 00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:27.539 hearts to fulfill this ministry and the destiny, 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:38.860 I pray in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. If you enjoyed 00:41:38.860 --> 00:41:41.960 today's podcast, please subscribe, rate, and 00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:44.659 review this podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever 00:41:44.659 --> 00:41:47.809 you listen to podcasts. Your review helps the 00:41:47.809 --> 00:41:50.510 podcasting platform suggest this podcast to other 00:41:50.510 --> 00:41:53.230 listeners who are also looking for a great move 00:41:53.230 --> 00:41:55.869 of the Holy Spirit. 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