WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.839 We're carrying the glory. We don't have to pray 00:00:02.839 --> 00:00:06.299 the glory down. We don't have to do, you know, 00:00:06.299 --> 00:00:08.599 yes, of course, it's wonderful to fast. It's 00:00:08.599 --> 00:00:12.660 wonderful to sing praises and get to that place 00:00:12.660 --> 00:00:14.859 where you expect God's glory. But really, we 00:00:14.859 --> 00:00:26.079 can expect God's glory all the time. God promises 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:29.899 in Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit. on all 00:00:29.899 --> 00:00:33.159 humanity. Welcome to Global Outpouring, where 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:36.060 we contend for that promised outpouring, we equip 00:00:36.060 --> 00:00:39.640 for that outpouring, so that we may engage in 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:43.280 that very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:45.420 Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. We're 00:00:45.420 --> 00:00:48.259 so happy that you're with us. We have with us 00:00:48.259 --> 00:00:51.619 today our dear friends of, oh, probably three 00:00:51.619 --> 00:00:55.020 decades or more, Clarence and Nancy McQueen. 00:00:55.689 --> 00:00:58.969 who are amazing musicians. Claren leads worship 00:00:58.969 --> 00:01:02.810 in our conventions and around the world in various 00:01:02.810 --> 00:01:05.629 places. He has quite a history. And we're going 00:01:05.629 --> 00:01:09.269 to talk today about following the leading of 00:01:09.269 --> 00:01:12.989 the Holy Spirit as we move and walk with God. 00:01:17.489 --> 00:01:20.650 Thank you so much for joining us today. This 00:01:20.650 --> 00:01:23.030 is going to be a podcast you're going to enjoy. 00:01:23.819 --> 00:01:25.859 But before we get started, I want to encourage 00:01:25.859 --> 00:01:27.879 you, if you haven't already done so, that you 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:31.280 go to our website, globaloutpouring .net. and 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:35.459 that you click on our subscribe button to join 00:01:35.459 --> 00:01:39.480 in our email lists so that we can stay in touch 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:42.359 with you and you can learn more about what's 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:44.859 going on with Global Outpouring. And there's 00:01:44.859 --> 00:01:47.599 a place for you to click on events so you can 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:50.120 see the events that we have coming up. Most especially, 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:54.000 there's Convention 2025. It is going to be an 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:57.159 amazing time to be together. Claren and Nancy 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:00.459 McQueen will be there. among others, many others 00:02:00.459 --> 00:02:03.980 that will be a part of the worship team leading 00:02:03.980 --> 00:02:09.430 in deep, deep connection with the Lord. And the 00:02:09.430 --> 00:02:12.150 speakers that we have coming, Pastor Tony Camp 00:02:12.150 --> 00:02:16.810 and Dean Braxton and Siggy Oblander, Jeff Simons 00:02:16.810 --> 00:02:20.449 and Jean Little and myself. And we're going to 00:02:20.449 --> 00:02:23.389 have an amazing time in the presence of the Lord. 00:02:23.449 --> 00:02:27.189 We know that this is a place for people to connect, 00:02:27.449 --> 00:02:31.150 to go deeper with God and to go closer and to 00:02:31.150 --> 00:02:33.729 make relationships that are going to last for 00:02:33.729 --> 00:02:36.990 eternity. And just get fresh orders from the 00:02:36.990 --> 00:02:39.409 Lord. There's people from many nations that are 00:02:39.409 --> 00:02:41.830 going to be with us, and it'll be a wonderful 00:02:41.830 --> 00:02:44.669 time. We encourage you, if you haven't ever been 00:02:44.669 --> 00:02:48.430 to one, or if you have, come and see what God 00:02:48.430 --> 00:02:50.550 is going to do in your life. It's a family event. 00:02:50.729 --> 00:02:52.669 Bring your children. We've got a nursery for 00:02:52.669 --> 00:02:55.310 the little ones and special meetings for the 00:02:55.310 --> 00:02:57.789 children and the youth. And they're all going 00:02:57.789 --> 00:03:00.569 to get something special from the Lord and grow 00:03:00.569 --> 00:03:04.039 in the Lord. So please, please, please. consider 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:06.300 coming to this convention. Ask the Lord to make 00:03:06.300 --> 00:03:09.439 a way for you. We're so happy to have Clarence 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:11.400 and Nancy with us. Thank you so much for joining 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:15.419 us today. It's our gift. We're very blessed to 00:03:15.419 --> 00:03:18.400 be able to talk to you. Well, we love you both. 00:03:18.500 --> 00:03:21.740 And wow, I was trying to figure out how long 00:03:21.740 --> 00:03:23.960 that we've known each other, probably 30 years 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:28.939 or so. Yeah, 1991, I believe in Florida. More 00:03:28.939 --> 00:03:32.650 than 30 years. We were part of Clarence Choir, 00:03:32.810 --> 00:03:35.330 I think. Not that we went there intending to. 00:03:35.330 --> 00:03:36.930 Yeah, we came to run the book table. We ended 00:03:36.930 --> 00:03:40.069 up in the choir. That was fun. It was. I just 00:03:40.069 --> 00:03:42.449 have to amend that. It really wasn't Clarence 00:03:42.449 --> 00:03:44.569 Choir. It was the Christian Embassy's choir. 00:03:44.770 --> 00:03:48.189 Oh, well. Okay. Okay. Well, we were delighted 00:03:48.189 --> 00:03:52.110 to get to play along, sing along. Glory to God. 00:03:52.550 --> 00:03:55.650 So you've been one of our worship leaders at 00:03:55.650 --> 00:03:59.110 the convention for many years, too. We didn't 00:03:59.110 --> 00:04:01.870 start out that part. quite that many years ago, 00:04:01.930 --> 00:04:05.009 but quite a few years ago. How long have you 00:04:05.009 --> 00:04:07.990 been doing conventions with us? Ninety -one. 00:04:08.370 --> 00:04:13.169 Nancy came to her first one in 91. I came, we 00:04:13.169 --> 00:04:18.230 came from Israel in 92, and I was just there 00:04:18.230 --> 00:04:21.889 for the night that the embassy was there. We 00:04:21.889 --> 00:04:24.709 brought a feast of the Feast of Tabernacles, 00:04:24.709 --> 00:04:28.149 and then we were your Israel night that year. 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:33.959 And I think that year, either Sister Gwen or 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:38.180 you asked if I would consider coming back and 00:04:38.180 --> 00:04:41.579 leading worship in the future. And I came back 00:04:41.579 --> 00:04:45.100 the next year and have been coming every year 00:04:45.100 --> 00:04:50.139 since then. Because we click. There's something 00:04:50.139 --> 00:04:54.300 wonderful about the Holy Spirit anointing. That's 00:04:54.300 --> 00:04:57.680 in your lives. That is also in our lives. And, 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:00.259 you know, there's relationships that are built 00:05:00.259 --> 00:05:03.379 for eternity. And so I expect that we're going 00:05:03.379 --> 00:05:06.000 to be worshiping together for eternity. Yes. 00:05:06.060 --> 00:05:10.279 What else is there? That's one of the wonderful 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:15.500 things to me about global outpouring and the 00:05:15.500 --> 00:05:21.259 handmaidens and servants is Sister Gwen instilled. 00:05:21.790 --> 00:05:27.649 And we continue to carry that love for the intimate 00:05:27.649 --> 00:05:30.230 presence of the Lord. To me, when I think of 00:05:30.230 --> 00:05:33.769 the convention, I think of let's go spend time 00:05:33.769 --> 00:05:36.990 in the intimate presence of the Lord. Yes. And 00:05:36.990 --> 00:05:39.850 that can involve speakers. It can involve dancers. 00:05:40.149 --> 00:05:42.910 It can involve flags or whatever. But it's all 00:05:42.910 --> 00:05:46.149 about let's get into the intimate presence and 00:05:46.149 --> 00:05:49.529 see what the Lord has. Yes. Which you don't find 00:05:49.529 --> 00:05:54.279 in every gathering. True. But you certainly find 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:58.319 it in every global outpouring gathering. Yes. 00:05:58.420 --> 00:06:02.600 Well, it's all about Him. Yes. It's really all 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:07.040 about Him and about connecting with Him. We want 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:11.779 to encounter Him. Obviously, I would say most 00:06:11.779 --> 00:06:15.639 of the people that come are experiencing a daily 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:19.129 encounter with God. You know, walking with him, 00:06:19.209 --> 00:06:22.410 going deeper with him all the time, going deeper. 00:06:22.430 --> 00:06:24.430 There's always more. There's always more. There's 00:06:24.430 --> 00:06:28.250 always more. And I'm reminded of what Dean Braxton 00:06:28.250 --> 00:06:33.110 says, that as he looked at God, the Father, and 00:06:33.110 --> 00:06:35.949 as he looked at Jesus, either one of them, he 00:06:35.949 --> 00:06:38.129 would just get overwhelmed with the glory and 00:06:38.129 --> 00:06:41.170 the majesty and the beauty and all the adjectives 00:06:41.170 --> 00:06:44.189 that you can think of. And then he'd look again, 00:06:44.250 --> 00:06:47.600 and it was more so. And then he'd get overwhelmed 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:49.300 and then he'd look again and he was more so. 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:52.879 So there's this increase. And I've been saying 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:56.600 lately that we are designed to go from glory 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:00.120 to glory because we're made in his image and 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:02.920 he's still going from glory to glory and always 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:08.040 will be. So what we have in our hearts, for me, 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:13.139 the convention is this amazing gathering of people. 00:07:14.089 --> 00:07:17.550 who have really dedicated themselves to the Lord. 00:07:17.629 --> 00:07:21.050 Now, not everybody that comes is that, but there 00:07:21.050 --> 00:07:24.730 are so many that come that are that. And the 00:07:24.730 --> 00:07:28.250 21 -day fast that Sister Gwen experienced that 00:07:28.250 --> 00:07:31.850 multiplied the anointing in her life. And the 00:07:31.850 --> 00:07:34.689 Lord spoke to her and called her to call out 00:07:34.689 --> 00:07:38.370 these handmaidens and servants, that he promised 00:07:38.370 --> 00:07:42.430 that he would anoint them in the same way that 00:07:42.430 --> 00:07:45.720 he anointed her. In other words, giving that 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:48.279 increase of anointing, whatever your gifting 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:51.699 is, there's no cookie cutter business here. It's 00:07:51.699 --> 00:07:56.000 who you are in him that keeps multiplying. And 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:59.339 whenever you get believers together, there is 00:07:59.339 --> 00:08:04.839 a synergy that comes just because, you know, 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:07.120 whatever you carry multiplies because you're 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.009 with others. But when you get a whole bunch of 00:08:10.009 --> 00:08:12.870 people together that have done this fast and 00:08:12.870 --> 00:08:16.029 gone deeper with the Lord, and he's already increased 00:08:16.029 --> 00:08:20.269 the anointing in your life, you get a bunch of 00:08:20.269 --> 00:08:23.750 those people together. And I think that is part 00:08:23.750 --> 00:08:28.230 of the sweetness of the presence of God that's 00:08:28.230 --> 00:08:30.350 there, because you get a whole bunch of God lovers 00:08:30.350 --> 00:08:34.289 together that are passionate for him. So this 00:08:34.289 --> 00:08:37.220 synergy that comes together. I think, adds to 00:08:37.220 --> 00:08:41.440 the weight of glory. There's a weightiness in 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:43.879 the presence of the Lord when you just walk in 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.919 the room, just because we're together again. 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:50.820 And we haven't had a big meeting like this for 00:08:50.820 --> 00:08:53.799 five years. And so I'm really excited to see 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:56.399 what God is going to do. Yes. What are you feeling 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:00.559 for expectation in this convention? I was just 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:05.220 thinking of Anytime I'm at a global outpouring 00:09:05.220 --> 00:09:07.940 convention, generally people will come up after 00:09:07.940 --> 00:09:13.879 every service and say how blessed they were in 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:17.700 the service, how deep the worship was. But it 00:09:17.700 --> 00:09:23.000 really comes because there are so many people 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:27.639 that attend that do have that passion and hunger. 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:30.820 They don't care if the morning service is over 00:09:30.820 --> 00:09:35.080 at noon. They don't care if the evening service 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:38.460 doesn't end until after 10 o 'clock, as long 00:09:38.460 --> 00:09:42.899 as the Holy Spirit is moving. And that's what 00:09:42.899 --> 00:09:47.179 makes the depth. Because, you know, I can be 00:09:47.179 --> 00:09:49.740 sold out and leading worship with all my heart. 00:09:50.409 --> 00:09:52.909 But if people are looking at their watches and 00:09:52.909 --> 00:09:54.690 wondering what time they can go out and have 00:09:54.690 --> 00:09:59.049 dinner, then it won't be the same as if people 00:09:59.049 --> 00:10:01.429 are coming down to the altar saying, yes, more, 00:10:01.509 --> 00:10:04.529 I'll take more. Yes, Lord, whatever you got, 00:10:04.669 --> 00:10:08.490 I want more. And that's what I'm always looking 00:10:08.490 --> 00:10:12.210 for when I come together with the end time handmaidens 00:10:12.210 --> 00:10:15.250 and servants. There are people that are always 00:10:15.250 --> 00:10:18.830 saying, whatever you've got, Lord, I'll take 00:10:18.830 --> 00:10:23.860 it all. Yes. And it does. It makes such a glorious. 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:26.700 God is able to, you know, the scripture we all 00:10:26.700 --> 00:10:29.879 know says that I inhabit, I sit enthroned on 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:34.960 your praises. So it allows the Lord to say, oh, 00:10:35.179 --> 00:10:39.059 here's a group of people that wants to build 00:10:39.059 --> 00:10:43.120 a throne and let me be enthroned for however 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:47.220 long I want to be enthroned, which is just. Awesome. 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:51.000 It makes for such an awesome experience. Absolutely. 00:10:51.379 --> 00:10:55.139 How about you, Nancy? I think whenever Clarence 00:10:55.139 --> 00:11:00.419 has commented so many times that at ETH, at Global 00:11:00.419 --> 00:11:03.759 Outpouring, at the conventions, when he first 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:06.559 puts his hand on the piano and the first chord 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:09.879 comes out and he begins to worship, it's instantly 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:15.240 everybody in the room is with him. And that comes 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:18.289 because of the Generally, the maturity of the 00:11:18.289 --> 00:11:21.870 people that are there, like he said, ready to 00:11:21.870 --> 00:11:24.110 go. Right. Ready to go into the throne room. 00:11:24.269 --> 00:11:26.330 Yeah. Yeah. And that doesn't necessarily mean 00:11:26.330 --> 00:11:30.690 an age. No, no, not at all. Yeah. It's just people 00:11:30.690 --> 00:11:34.309 that are really longing. Yes. It's something 00:11:34.309 --> 00:11:37.190 akin to, I think it's the closest thing that 00:11:37.190 --> 00:11:41.070 I've experienced in the United States. It's akin 00:11:41.070 --> 00:11:46.920 to when you go overseas and people have. walked 00:11:46.920 --> 00:11:51.500 for miles to get to the service. They have made 00:11:51.500 --> 00:11:54.480 a sacrifice just to get there to that building. 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:57.539 And the same thing happens. You know, you hit 00:11:57.539 --> 00:11:59.940 that first chord on the piano. I remember one 00:11:59.940 --> 00:12:04.500 time I was in a Latin American country and I 00:12:04.500 --> 00:12:07.379 got up on Sunday morning and I said, let's worship. 00:12:07.700 --> 00:12:12.759 And I played a chord and I looked up. And there 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.600 were five or six people that had come up to the 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:19.299 front and fallen face down on the floor. And 00:12:19.299 --> 00:12:24.720 everybody else had their arms in the air. I hadn't 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:27.820 even played a song yet. I had just said, let's 00:12:27.820 --> 00:12:31.960 worship. And so they all said, okay, we'll all 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.000 worship. And they did it with their whole heart. 00:12:35.019 --> 00:12:37.960 When you do that, it just makes such a different 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:43.889 place to be for the Lord. And it opens the gate 00:12:43.889 --> 00:12:48.870 for him to say, okay, if you really want, it's 00:12:48.870 --> 00:12:50.929 what Jeremiah said, when you seek me with all 00:12:50.929 --> 00:12:54.009 your heart, then I'm going to be found. You shall 00:12:54.009 --> 00:12:58.590 surely find me. Absolutely. You know, the way 00:12:58.590 --> 00:13:02.169 you're talking reminds me of the Hebrew word 00:13:02.169 --> 00:13:06.009 Shekinah, Shekinah, as we would say in English. 00:13:06.190 --> 00:13:11.220 Can you give us a little bit of... understanding 00:13:11.220 --> 00:13:14.279 of what that word means? Because you've got a 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:17.620 better Hebrew background than I do. Yeah, Shekinah 00:13:17.620 --> 00:13:20.559 actually is a word that you won't find in scripture. 00:13:20.940 --> 00:13:26.879 Right. It was created by the rabbis to describe 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:30.259 what it means when the glory of God is present. 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:35.600 But really what it means is Shekinah means to 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:40.000 dwell. Yes. A neighborhood. In Hebrew, it's a 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.860 shakona. It's just places where people dwell. 00:13:43.700 --> 00:13:45.860 And, of course, the last part of that word is 00:13:45.860 --> 00:13:49.480 Yah, which is one of the oldest names for Almighty 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:55.659 God in Scripture. So it means Yah dwells here. 00:13:56.139 --> 00:14:01.519 Wow. So if we're aware of it, and I teach this, 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:04.000 I've taught this so many times, I think so many 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:07.279 times people think, well, maybe the Shekinah 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:09.759 will come if I fast for a long time, or maybe 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.299 the Shekinah will come if we sing songs and we're 00:14:13.299 --> 00:14:17.720 really intent. But actually, when we come, the 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:21.899 Shekinah comes. Because Jesus prayed in John, 00:14:21.980 --> 00:14:24.700 the 17th chapter at the Last Supper, he prayed, 00:14:24.779 --> 00:14:28.419 Father, I'm praying for these disciples, but 00:14:28.419 --> 00:14:32.480 I'm praying also for all those who believe that 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:37.100 the same glory that you placed in me, you'll 00:14:37.100 --> 00:14:41.139 place in them. So that even as you and I are 00:14:41.139 --> 00:14:47.370 one, they'll be one with us. Yes. We're carrying 00:14:47.370 --> 00:14:50.269 the glory. We don't have to pray the glory down. 00:14:50.549 --> 00:14:53.690 We don't have to do, you know, yes, of course, 00:14:53.710 --> 00:14:56.490 it's wonderful to fast. It's wonderful to sing 00:14:56.490 --> 00:14:59.990 praises and get to that place where you expect 00:14:59.990 --> 00:15:02.509 God's glory. But really, we can expect God's 00:15:02.509 --> 00:15:06.169 glory all the time. Yes, amen. And I think that 00:15:06.169 --> 00:15:10.970 something is also true in the conventions for 00:15:10.970 --> 00:15:13.429 the global outpouring because so many people 00:15:13.429 --> 00:15:17.779 end that. convention have been people that have 00:15:17.779 --> 00:15:21.519 gone out to the nations where ministry is a little 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:24.679 bit more difficult and you don't have just the 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:27.120 right piano to play and you don't have all the 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:29.700 lighting and the room is not going to get dark 00:15:29.700 --> 00:15:31.399 and there's not going to be any smoke machines. 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:33.960 So you're just depending on the Holy Spirit. 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:36.759 You know, you get out and wherever you are, I 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:40.379 mean, some keyboards that I've played in South 00:15:40.379 --> 00:15:42.559 America, bless their hearts, you know, I've just 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:45.529 thought, okay, God. Maybe we should just sing 00:15:45.529 --> 00:15:52.169 acapella. I had that with a guitar once. Exactly. 00:15:52.350 --> 00:15:56.190 You see that just exactly the same thing happens. 00:15:56.789 --> 00:15:59.850 You know, when I was first starting out, I had 00:15:59.850 --> 00:16:03.370 a group of college kids that we were ministering 00:16:03.370 --> 00:16:06.590 through the summer, and we really hadn't had 00:16:06.590 --> 00:16:10.789 time to practice. And we had gone to Europe. 00:16:10.809 --> 00:16:14.409 We really had not had any practice there. And 00:16:14.409 --> 00:16:16.590 then came back, and we're still ministering on 00:16:16.590 --> 00:16:19.529 our way back to the offices where we'd been sent 00:16:19.529 --> 00:16:23.950 out. And we started a service, and the music 00:16:23.950 --> 00:16:28.029 was just terrible. Oh, no. Kids were singing 00:16:28.029 --> 00:16:31.809 out of tune, and I had a clarinet player, and 00:16:31.809 --> 00:16:35.710 you know that sound that a clarinet makes? Well, 00:16:35.789 --> 00:16:40.590 we made that sound a few times. And I was just... 00:16:40.889 --> 00:16:43.490 recently out of college so this the music was 00:16:43.490 --> 00:16:48.210 so bad and i was just about to get up from the 00:16:48.210 --> 00:16:51.549 piano and say we're so sorry we're going to give 00:16:51.549 --> 00:16:53.750 another service down the road i can't believe 00:16:53.750 --> 00:16:55.769 i was going to do this but i was thinking to 00:16:55.769 --> 00:16:58.669 do this and you know we're just going to end 00:16:58.669 --> 00:17:00.769 now i'll say a blessing and you come and see 00:17:00.769 --> 00:17:05.490 us tomorrow night and we'll sound better I stood 00:17:05.490 --> 00:17:08.269 up from the piano, and I had not been looking 00:17:08.269 --> 00:17:10.210 at the audience because I was so embarrassed. 00:17:10.710 --> 00:17:12.990 But I looked out at the audience, and it's a 00:17:12.990 --> 00:17:16.710 Lutheran church. Not a Spirit -filled Lutheran 00:17:16.710 --> 00:17:19.589 church. It's a Lutheran church. And there were 00:17:19.589 --> 00:17:23.369 people with their hands in the air. Wow. People 00:17:23.369 --> 00:17:26.490 with tears streaming down their face. Oh, my. 00:17:26.730 --> 00:17:29.309 And the Lord spoke to me in such a sweet voice, 00:17:29.349 --> 00:17:32.779 and he said, You know, son. I don't need your 00:17:32.779 --> 00:17:39.220 beautiful music to do what I do. Wow. So I think 00:17:39.220 --> 00:17:42.259 because we have so many people that have had 00:17:42.259 --> 00:17:45.940 experiences like that on the field that come 00:17:45.940 --> 00:17:50.160 together that know it's just the Holy Spirit. 00:17:50.539 --> 00:17:55.000 It's just the hand of God. So then when they 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.900 start to worship, they expect, they don't care 00:17:57.900 --> 00:18:00.559 what the music sounds like. You know, I truly, 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:02.579 I've said this often, I think you could probably 00:18:02.579 --> 00:18:05.599 sing the phone book at a global outpouring convention 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:07.680 and people would still be down on their knees 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:11.339 because they just expect the Shekhinah to show 00:18:11.339 --> 00:18:15.480 up. Yes. Because we bring it with us. Yes. We 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.980 were just on our last five -week trip we just 00:18:18.980 --> 00:18:21.519 got back on, and the last place we were at, it 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:24.730 was a... Sunday morning church in Indianapolis 00:18:24.730 --> 00:18:28.450 with a pastor. The last time we were there, he 00:18:28.450 --> 00:18:31.009 says, I want you here for Sunday morning. And 00:18:31.009 --> 00:18:34.029 it worked out and we came and we went out. It 00:18:34.029 --> 00:18:37.470 was a tremendous meeting. It was. It was really, 00:18:37.509 --> 00:18:40.210 really powerful. The Lord gave Sharon an amazing 00:18:40.210 --> 00:18:44.569 word. And we're out having dinner afterwards 00:18:44.569 --> 00:18:47.710 and all that. And a lady comes up to me and says, 00:18:47.809 --> 00:18:50.529 I heard the angels singing. I haven't heard him 00:18:50.529 --> 00:18:54.210 for five months. Wow. You know, then we had breakfast 00:18:54.210 --> 00:18:56.970 the next day with Michael Van Vlijmen and his 00:18:56.970 --> 00:18:59.210 wife, you know, and he says, yeah, there was 00:18:59.210 --> 00:19:01.369 about six other voices that were just singing 00:19:01.369 --> 00:19:04.170 along. I thought that's great because we just 00:19:04.170 --> 00:19:07.430 got off, you know, colds and didn't have a full 00:19:07.430 --> 00:19:10.750 voice back or anything. And, you know, like I 00:19:10.750 --> 00:19:13.289 say, it's not us. It's the Holy Spirit. We just 00:19:13.289 --> 00:19:17.380 yield. Yeah. Wow. You know, I had an experience 00:19:17.380 --> 00:19:19.640 one time. Philip knows this story. Oh, the build. 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:22.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there was one time 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:26.460 that I had made the song list for the song service 00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:30.000 that we were leading. Basically, I was the lead 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.000 voice and Philip was going to be singing the 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:36.099 harmony. And Sister Gwen, our founder, was playing 00:19:36.099 --> 00:19:39.140 the organ. And so I've got this list. I gave 00:19:39.140 --> 00:19:43.200 her the list. You know, here we go. So we started 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:46.460 and... Got through some of the songs, and all 00:19:46.460 --> 00:19:50.019 of a sudden, she took it and went a different 00:19:50.019 --> 00:19:53.599 direction. And I was like, but I got that from 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:58.759 God, you know. This actually has happened many 00:19:58.759 --> 00:20:02.220 times. Probably so. But in this particular case, 00:20:02.500 --> 00:20:07.059 I heard the Holy Spirit say, you can sing Bill 00:20:07.059 --> 00:20:10.180 Grogan's Goat, and if I anoint it, it's anointed. 00:20:10.890 --> 00:20:13.890 Yes. Now, if you don't know Bill Grogan's goat, 00:20:14.009 --> 00:20:16.329 it's a silly little song about this goat that, 00:20:16.329 --> 00:20:19.230 you know, the man is so Bill Grogan is so upset 00:20:19.230 --> 00:20:23.069 with him for swallowing his his red shirt or 00:20:23.069 --> 00:20:25.809 something like his red flannel shirt off of the 00:20:25.809 --> 00:20:28.089 line. And so he ties him up to the railroad track 00:20:28.089 --> 00:20:31.230 and the goat coughs up the shirt and flags the 00:20:31.230 --> 00:20:35.210 train. I mean, it's a silly song. But the Holy 00:20:35.210 --> 00:20:38.369 Spirit said, if you sing that and I anointed. 00:20:39.009 --> 00:20:42.329 It's anointed. And we had a lady in another time. 00:20:42.410 --> 00:20:45.150 It could have been the same school. I think this 00:20:45.150 --> 00:20:48.109 was a school of ministry class. And she would 00:20:48.109 --> 00:20:51.509 get up and sing things like, she'll be coming 00:20:51.509 --> 00:20:54.710 around the mountain when she comes. And the Holy 00:20:54.710 --> 00:20:57.109 Spirit anointed it. I'm telling you. Because 00:20:57.109 --> 00:20:59.509 she was saying, I'm seeing this as the coming 00:20:59.509 --> 00:21:01.950 of the Lord. He'll be coming around the mountain. 00:21:02.049 --> 00:21:03.789 Or maybe it was the bride. The wife, you know, 00:21:03.789 --> 00:21:06.309 the six white horses. Yeah, he's coming on six 00:21:06.309 --> 00:21:10.200 white horses when he comes. And we were all kind 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:14.740 of like, well, okay. But the Lord was there. 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:18.640 The weightiness of the Lord was there. So it's 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:21.940 not all about exactly what you sing. It's about 00:21:21.940 --> 00:21:25.259 his presence. Yes. Yeah. It's quite an amazing 00:21:25.259 --> 00:21:29.160 concept that, you know, you hear these people 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:33.430 complaining about songs that are not. exactly 00:21:33.430 --> 00:21:36.630 doctrinally correct. And there are lots of them. 00:21:36.670 --> 00:21:38.609 There are lots of them that have maybe a line 00:21:38.609 --> 00:21:42.150 or two that are off. But if the Holy Spirit anoints 00:21:42.150 --> 00:21:45.829 it, it's anointed. And He knows how to fix our 00:21:45.829 --> 00:21:50.089 doctrine. He'll do it. He's faithful. The Lord 00:21:50.089 --> 00:21:53.390 spoke to me several years ago about writing sermons. 00:21:54.009 --> 00:21:58.150 And when I first started speaking, I'd taken 00:21:58.150 --> 00:22:01.089 courses in seminary and they'd instructed us 00:22:01.089 --> 00:22:04.609 on how to construct sermons and had an excellent 00:22:04.609 --> 00:22:08.509 teacher at my university, just a wonderful preacher. 00:22:09.009 --> 00:22:11.809 So I was doing what he had taught me to do. And 00:22:11.809 --> 00:22:13.730 I would, of course, pray about what I was going 00:22:13.730 --> 00:22:16.890 to speak. And then I would put together the sermon. 00:22:16.950 --> 00:22:20.410 And then I would go through the sermon 15, 16 00:22:20.410 --> 00:22:23.230 times, just preaching it to nobody, preaching 00:22:23.230 --> 00:22:25.730 it to the mirror, preaching it so that I was 00:22:25.730 --> 00:22:30.500 familiar with it. And that was okay. But several 00:22:30.500 --> 00:22:34.039 years ago, the Holy Spirit said, you know, you 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:38.400 should really pray and then consult me as you 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:41.460 write the sermon and then go back to prayer. 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:44.940 Because it's really my presence in the sermon. 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:48.099 It's not how good your sermon is. Very true. 00:22:48.700 --> 00:22:53.190 That's a good word. Wow. And I've heard. I think 00:22:53.190 --> 00:22:56.329 we've all heard many sermons that were, maybe 00:22:56.329 --> 00:23:00.309 they weren't constructed so wonderfully. Maybe 00:23:00.309 --> 00:23:03.130 it was just talking off the top of your head, 00:23:03.210 --> 00:23:07.289 really. But it was anointed. Exactly. And you 00:23:07.289 --> 00:23:09.589 don't really care if there's an introduction 00:23:09.589 --> 00:23:12.829 and you tell a funny story and you make three 00:23:12.829 --> 00:23:15.569 points and then you make a conclusion and, you 00:23:15.569 --> 00:23:17.269 know, do all the things that you're supposed 00:23:17.269 --> 00:23:21.670 to do. If it's anointed. You know, Peter probably 00:23:21.670 --> 00:23:25.009 didn't have an introduction and a funny story 00:23:25.009 --> 00:23:29.069 and three points on the day of Pentecost. He 00:23:29.069 --> 00:23:31.069 just preached what the Holy Spirit was telling 00:23:31.069 --> 00:23:34.630 him to preach and had a great altar call. We'd 00:23:34.630 --> 00:23:37.230 all be happy if we got 3 ,000 every altar call. 00:23:38.029 --> 00:23:42.750 Absolutely. He had a funny Galilean accent. Yeah, 00:23:42.750 --> 00:23:50.579 wow. You know, you commented about people from 00:23:50.579 --> 00:23:53.440 the nations or going to the nations. One of the 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:56.460 things that I love about this convention, back 00:23:56.460 --> 00:23:58.880 in the day when we went by the name End Time 00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:02.140 Handmaidens and Servants, we called it our World 00:24:02.140 --> 00:24:05.640 Convention. But since we now have the word global 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:08.299 in our name, it didn't sound right to me to have 00:24:08.299 --> 00:24:12.410 a global world convention. So we're calling it 00:24:12.410 --> 00:24:15.549 convention and then the year. But it's always 00:24:15.549 --> 00:24:18.930 exciting to me to see the people that come from 00:24:18.930 --> 00:24:22.750 the nations. Yes, it is. And how they're coming 00:24:22.750 --> 00:24:27.410 opens doors for people who have a burden to go 00:24:27.410 --> 00:24:30.009 to a nation. Yes. And, you know, we put up flags 00:24:30.009 --> 00:24:32.970 around the whole room, flags of the nations where 00:24:32.970 --> 00:24:35.890 our people have gone. And we haven't counted 00:24:35.890 --> 00:24:38.859 recently. We're guessing that it's somewhere 00:24:38.859 --> 00:24:42.059 around 160 nations or something like that. I 00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:43.839 don't know. That's just amazing. And our founder 00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:46.779 didn't go to all of those. But our people have. 00:24:47.079 --> 00:24:52.579 Our members have. And I'm aware of members and 00:24:52.579 --> 00:24:55.039 other people that are just interested that are 00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:59.700 coming from Haiti and from Japan and from India 00:24:59.700 --> 00:25:02.420 and New Zealand. And they're trying to get visas 00:25:02.420 --> 00:25:05.839 to come from China. trying to get visas to come 00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:08.359 from both Congos. There's Democratic Republic 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:11.460 of Congo and the Republic of Congo. And we know 00:25:11.460 --> 00:25:14.920 there's people from Israel. And we've got a lady 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:17.539 that's from Belgium originally that's currently 00:25:17.539 --> 00:25:20.440 working in Bolivia. And I'm sure there will be 00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:22.619 others. But those are the ones that I can think 00:25:22.619 --> 00:25:26.039 of right now. And it's exciting to me to see 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:29.599 how... God puts things together and relationships 00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:33.319 get built. And, you know, people connect with 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:35.500 each other at this convention. And we're not 00:25:35.500 --> 00:25:37.859 Taiwanese, but we will be coming from Taiwan. 00:25:38.259 --> 00:25:40.299 Yes, that's right. That's right. You're on your 00:25:40.299 --> 00:25:42.519 way to Taiwan very shortly here and probably 00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:45.819 by the time this... goes out. In fact, I think 00:25:45.819 --> 00:25:48.220 you're leaving the day that this is going to 00:25:48.220 --> 00:25:51.059 be posted. So, listener, if you're listening, 00:25:51.220 --> 00:25:53.500 as they'll be taken off on Tuesday, this thing 00:25:53.500 --> 00:25:56.660 should land on our podcast platform on Tuesday. 00:25:56.740 --> 00:25:58.839 Pray for Clarence and Nancy as they're going 00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:01.480 to Taiwan, that God will use them and anoint 00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:04.140 them. What are you expecting to happen in Taiwan? 00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:09.140 Well, when we were last in Taiwan, we were actually 00:26:09.140 --> 00:26:12.079 ministering with Ronis Baropoulos and Myrna Kergeli. 00:26:12.670 --> 00:26:17.630 And Rona had in her spirit a very strong unction 00:26:17.630 --> 00:26:23.250 to inspire people to pray for revival in the 00:26:23.250 --> 00:26:26.289 nation, which they were already doing. And Nancy 00:26:26.289 --> 00:26:30.349 had a vision at the same time. I just saw revival, 00:26:30.710 --> 00:26:34.009 the spirit of the Lord going from the north end 00:26:34.009 --> 00:26:37.470 of the island to the south, just covering over. 00:26:37.829 --> 00:26:42.079 So praying into that. So we've been praying and 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:44.660 to that. And then just this morning, I heard 00:26:44.660 --> 00:26:50.480 a report from CBN News that because of, to a 00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:53.400 great extent, mainland China flexing its muscles 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:59.039 toward the island, it has inspired what they're 00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:02.619 calling a revival prayer group movement that 00:27:02.619 --> 00:27:06.039 has touched thousands of people. all over the 00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:09.700 nation from the top to the bottom. And they are 00:27:09.700 --> 00:27:13.640 united in groups of three, but there are also 00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:17.680 larger groups meeting for prayer. But each group 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:20.799 has three that they're definitely attached to 00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:23.200 so that whatever happens to the nation, even 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.619 if communication systems don't work and transportation 00:27:26.619 --> 00:27:28.859 systems, there'll still be those three people 00:27:28.859 --> 00:27:31.359 will be in touch with each other and they'll 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:36.039 continue to pray. But right now. There's 24 -hour 00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:40.799 prayer for revival, for unity, for God's plan 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.380 to come forward for not only Taiwan, but also 00:27:44.380 --> 00:27:47.119 for China. And I'm sure you're familiar with 00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:50.799 so many Oriental people that their heart is really 00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:54.680 back to Jerusalem, that they feel that. The gospel 00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:58.259 came from Jerusalem to the Far East and that 00:27:58.259 --> 00:28:01.420 their mandate in these last days is to take the 00:28:01.420 --> 00:28:04.980 gospel back through, hallelujah, the 1040 window. 00:28:05.099 --> 00:28:08.380 Amen. And spread the gospel all the way down 00:28:08.380 --> 00:28:11.029 that. road that was the Silk Road, make it the 00:28:11.029 --> 00:28:13.630 Gospel Road, all the way to Jerusalem. Amen. 00:28:13.829 --> 00:28:15.849 And if you're not familiar with what the 1040 00:28:15.849 --> 00:28:19.109 window is, it's from 10 degrees north of the 00:28:19.109 --> 00:28:23.130 equator to 40 degrees north of the equator and 00:28:23.130 --> 00:28:27.160 from West Africa. I guess all the way across 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.500 Asia. I think that's kind of what they call the 00:28:29.500 --> 00:28:32.579 1040 window. The most concentrated people groups. 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:34.700 Yeah, people groups that haven't been reached 00:28:34.700 --> 00:28:38.240 were mostly in that space. So there have been 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.180 prayer initiatives, like through the 90s, there 00:28:41.180 --> 00:28:43.880 were a lot of prayer initiatives. And you could 00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:47.460 see the people that keep the records were seeing 00:28:47.460 --> 00:28:51.180 great spikes of evangelism, great spikes of people 00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:53.660 coming to the Lord when there would be a prayer 00:28:53.660 --> 00:28:57.000 initiative like that. births, revival, prayer, 00:28:57.079 --> 00:28:59.839 births, harvest. And that's one of the things 00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:01.619 that we'll be doing at this convention too, is 00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:05.059 a lot of prayer. We're excited about how the 00:29:05.059 --> 00:29:07.799 Lord is going to meet us in intercession and 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.299 lead us in intercession. I love how the Holy 00:29:10.299 --> 00:29:13.079 Spirit will pray through us what's on our Father's 00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:16.660 heart. Amen. So as you're listening to this podcast, 00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:21.359 please pray for an open heaven, not just, and 00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.759 we'll be there for a little bit less than two 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:27.200 weeks. Not just in that time, but just pray for 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:31.180 an open heaven over Taiwan, over mainland China. 00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:35.720 Yes. I just heard a word through Joel Rosenberg 00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:40.160 that it's estimated now that the number of believers 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:44.380 in mainland China has grown to 100 million people. 00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.839 Wow. Which is, there were, I think, less than 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.960 500 ,000 when the communist government took over. 00:29:52.380 --> 00:29:55.960 Wow. So it is just awesome what the Lord has 00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:59.960 already done. But we've been in meetings and 00:29:59.960 --> 00:30:02.619 past years when we went to the Orient where 9 00:30:02.619 --> 00:30:07.140 ,000 believers from all over the world, all Oriental, 00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:12.259 most of them Chinese, all praying on their faces 00:30:12.259 --> 00:30:16.799 and their knees, Lord, come. Even so, Lord, come. 00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:19.839 One of the hymns that they were singing back 00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.240 at that particular convention was a Chinese hymn, 00:30:23.259 --> 00:30:26.119 but they had it translated into English so that 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:28.480 everybody could sing together whatever language 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:32.259 you were speaking. And it said, Lord, look at 00:30:32.259 --> 00:30:35.140 all these that have gone through such suffering, 00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:39.519 that have gone through the jails, that have lost 00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:44.230 their name for your name. With so many creating 00:30:44.230 --> 00:30:48.549 such a beautiful bride. Lord, don't you want 00:30:48.549 --> 00:30:54.630 to come and reclaim your bride? And they sang 00:30:54.630 --> 00:30:57.529 that. It sounds like they'd be crying when they 00:30:57.529 --> 00:31:00.170 sang that hymn, but they weren't. They were triumphant 00:31:00.170 --> 00:31:03.509 saying, look at us. Look at the preparation that 00:31:03.509 --> 00:31:07.210 we've made. Lord, we are begging to be married 00:31:07.210 --> 00:31:10.170 to you. We're begging in these last days for 00:31:10.170 --> 00:31:13.529 you to come and unite with your bride. Don't 00:31:13.529 --> 00:31:17.849 you want to come? Wow. Beautiful, beautiful, 00:31:18.089 --> 00:31:20.970 beautiful. You know, that reminds me of a story. 00:31:21.620 --> 00:31:26.019 of our founder, Sister Gwen Shaw. She went to 00:31:26.019 --> 00:31:31.420 China, to mainland China in 1947, and ministered 00:31:31.420 --> 00:31:34.759 there for a while. She was in Inner Mongolia, 00:31:34.819 --> 00:31:37.619 and then the Lord spoke to her and the team that 00:31:37.619 --> 00:31:41.220 she was with to go to this Bible school that 00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:44.720 was run by W. W. Simpson, who was an Assemblies 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:49.079 of God missionary. So when they got there, W 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:51.759 .W. Simpson kind of chastised them in front of 00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:54.220 the students and said, why have you come? The 00:31:54.220 --> 00:31:57.259 Holy Spirit news, because they didn't have any 00:31:57.259 --> 00:31:59.640 access to news other than from the Holy Spirit. 00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:03.940 The Holy Spirit has told me that the communists 00:32:03.940 --> 00:32:07.180 are coming and I'm going home. Why did you come? 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:10.700 The next morning in front of the students, he 00:32:10.700 --> 00:32:14.000 apologized. And he said, I'm sorry, the Lord 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:17.720 rebuked me and said that he's the one who sent 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.339 you to take over the Bible school when I go home. 00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:24.039 So they finished the Bible school teaching the 00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:27.700 students. They got to the very end. And it was 00:32:27.700 --> 00:32:30.500 like the day before the graduation, the magistrate 00:32:30.500 --> 00:32:34.140 came to them and said, the communists have broken 00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:36.839 through the Guomindang lines. Is that the right 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.460 words? Yeah, government lines. The government 00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:42.859 lines. And they'll be here in 24 hours. Here's 00:32:42.859 --> 00:32:45.559 my card. It won't be any good once they get here, 00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:47.980 but maybe it'll help you get out before they 00:32:47.980 --> 00:32:50.380 get here. And, you know, it's a long story. I 00:32:50.380 --> 00:32:52.640 won't tell the whole story about how they escaped. 00:32:52.700 --> 00:32:55.779 They did manage to get out from Lanzhou. It was 00:32:55.779 --> 00:32:59.000 the next to the last flight that got out of there. 00:32:59.500 --> 00:33:02.799 And then they ministered in Taiwan for some time 00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:07.019 after that, and then Hong Kong. My point is that 00:33:07.019 --> 00:33:12.480 in 2011, God made a way for Sister Gwen to go 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:16.779 back. And it was like closing the circle because 00:33:16.779 --> 00:33:18.960 that's where she started. And that was her last 00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:22.880 trip. And she went back to the Bible school and 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:26.720 found the people that were left. And learned 00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.920 because she had prayed for all those years, hearing 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:34.019 the terrible stories of persecution and imprisonment 00:33:34.019 --> 00:33:36.039 and all that sort of thing. And, you know, people 00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:38.880 giving their lives that were coming out of China 00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:43.640 that you'd hear these stories from was just terrible. 00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:46.660 And she would pray and pray and pray for all 00:33:46.660 --> 00:33:49.480 those young people. And as they were driving 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.799 away from there in what they would call a bus, 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.309 but it wouldn't be a bus like we know it. It 00:33:55.309 --> 00:33:58.390 was more like a truck with seats in it. She watched 00:33:58.390 --> 00:34:01.730 them running after this truck and waving and 00:34:01.730 --> 00:34:04.089 crying. And she prayed for them all those years. 00:34:04.349 --> 00:34:08.050 So when she went back, she learned that every 00:34:08.050 --> 00:34:11.090 one of them survived. And every one of them went 00:34:11.090 --> 00:34:15.210 all across China and began works, began ministering, 00:34:15.210 --> 00:34:18.289 began churches. And it was something like 300 00:34:18.289 --> 00:34:21.989 churches across China. So the seeds that she 00:34:21.989 --> 00:34:25.179 planted in those days. are still bearing fruit 00:34:25.179 --> 00:34:28.659 today. It's just amazing. Absolutely amazing. 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.159 But, you know, that's how the gospel is. The 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.760 gospel is like good seed. That's what Jesus said 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.980 in his parable. You put good seed into good ground 00:34:38.980 --> 00:34:40.820 and it's going to bring forth the harvest 30, 00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:44.219 60 and 100 fold. So that's what God's doing. 00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.940 God is not stopped by difficulties. He's just 00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:50.739 inspired to overcome the difficulties. That's 00:34:50.739 --> 00:34:53.380 right. And he inspires us to overcome the difficulties. 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:57.340 Yeah. Hallelujah. We've been hearing the same 00:34:57.340 --> 00:35:01.099 thing, reports coming from Israel, which I'm 00:35:01.099 --> 00:35:03.820 sure every believer has been worried about all 00:35:03.820 --> 00:35:05.900 the things that have been happening in Israel 00:35:05.900 --> 00:35:08.500 in the last year and a half. But the reports 00:35:08.500 --> 00:35:11.659 that we get back is that God is working on the 00:35:11.659 --> 00:35:15.380 lives of both Jewish people. and Arab people, 00:35:15.500 --> 00:35:21.039 Arab people in Gaza, having visions, having the 00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.699 Lord speak to their heart, people finding salvation 00:35:24.699 --> 00:35:28.900 in Gaza in the midst of all the difficulty, and 00:35:28.900 --> 00:35:31.619 the same thing happening in Israel. It's amazing 00:35:31.619 --> 00:35:36.539 how much God is not stopped by the plan of man. 00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.480 He nullifies the counsel of the nations and he 00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:42.360 frustrates the plan of the peoples. But the counsel 00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:46.420 of the Lord stands forever. Yes. Hallelujah. 00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:53.559 Amen. Glory. Wow. Glory. So you two have both 00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.320 been very involved with Israel. We didn't really 00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.380 talk about that, but just tell us a little bit 00:35:59.380 --> 00:36:02.159 about the things that God had you do in Israel, 00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:06.300 both of you. After I took my vows in 91, the 00:36:06.300 --> 00:36:11.739 Lord took me to Israel and I hired unemployed 00:36:11.739 --> 00:36:15.980 Russians to paint who are artists and brought 00:36:15.980 --> 00:36:19.559 back wonderful art of theirs. Also started imported 00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:23.579 into Israel computerized knitting machines to 00:36:23.579 --> 00:36:26.780 start a little cottage industry for the unemployed 00:36:26.780 --> 00:36:30.110 Russian moms that they could do at home. And 00:36:30.110 --> 00:36:32.429 brought the sweaters back. And Sister Gwen sold 00:36:32.429 --> 00:36:37.230 them. And other people. But, yeah, it was wonderful. 00:36:37.389 --> 00:36:41.449 And met my husband. Yes. While she was working 00:36:41.449 --> 00:36:44.570 with the immigrants that had come from Russia, 00:36:44.730 --> 00:36:48.730 she was also playing harp in my worship team 00:36:48.730 --> 00:36:52.829 at Christ Church. And the Lord started speaking 00:36:52.829 --> 00:36:57.800 to me. I was traveling in music missions. and 00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.639 in 1981 he said i'm going to do something completely 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:05.659 different next year and at the beginning of 1982 00:37:05.659 --> 00:37:10.360 he started introducing us to people from israel 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.639 both arab people and jewish people and by the 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:21.260 end of 1982 he sovereignly not by any arranging 00:37:21.260 --> 00:37:25.730 on my part had opened up ministry for us for 00:37:25.730 --> 00:37:29.809 a month and a half in Israel and two weeks in 00:37:29.809 --> 00:37:34.389 Egypt. We sang in Cairo and Alexandria, ministered 00:37:34.389 --> 00:37:39.110 to people. Some may not know that Cairo has no 00:37:39.110 --> 00:37:43.849 actual garbage collection system. The garbage 00:37:43.849 --> 00:37:46.730 is collected by people who live in the dump. 00:37:47.150 --> 00:37:50.730 And the Lord opened doors for us to minister 00:37:50.730 --> 00:37:54.980 to them. Yes. Just wonderful, wonderful opportunities. 00:37:55.619 --> 00:38:00.199 We sang for the army in Israel two or three times. 00:38:00.219 --> 00:38:03.760 We sang on an atheist kibbutz. That was an experience. 00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:08.219 Wow. The Lord just opened all sorts of doors. 00:38:08.340 --> 00:38:10.900 And I thought that I would probably, that was 00:38:10.900 --> 00:38:13.219 my trip to Israel and I'd never go back. But 00:38:13.219 --> 00:38:17.280 within a year, the Lord began pulling me back. 00:38:17.500 --> 00:38:22.079 And eventually I ended up being the. music coordinator 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.760 for the Christian embassy, both in Israel and 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:28.199 all of their different functions that they did 00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:32.139 out from Israel, and also began leading worship 00:38:32.139 --> 00:38:34.579 at Christ Church, which is the oldest Protestant 00:38:34.579 --> 00:38:38.340 church in the Middle East. And while I was there, 00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:42.519 they restarted, two years after I arrived, they 00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.460 restarted a Hebrew -speaking congregation, which 00:38:45.460 --> 00:38:47.960 had been the original purpose of Christ Church. 00:38:48.940 --> 00:38:52.800 And it is now the largest congregation that meets 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:57.340 there. So I learned Hebrew by leading worship 00:38:57.340 --> 00:39:03.260 in Hebrew. Wow. That was very interesting. You 00:39:03.260 --> 00:39:05.199 know, I was looking at phonetics. I couldn't 00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:08.400 read a letter of the Hebrew, but I could read 00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:12.469 phonetics. And then when... In the 90s, the Russian 00:39:12.469 --> 00:39:15.710 immigrants began to come. We had a number of 00:39:15.710 --> 00:39:18.389 Russian immigrants that joined our congregation. 00:39:18.969 --> 00:39:21.690 So then I had to use the Hebrew that I'd learned 00:39:21.690 --> 00:39:24.630 because they spoke Russian and Hebrew and I spoke 00:39:24.630 --> 00:39:26.769 English and Hebrew. So the only thing that we 00:39:26.769 --> 00:39:29.570 shared was our Hebrew. And they thought I spoke 00:39:29.570 --> 00:39:34.710 wonderful Hebrew. But if you're Russian and you're 00:39:34.710 --> 00:39:39.860 just learning the language, I was OK. Tell us 00:39:39.860 --> 00:39:43.059 the story of the lady that walked into Christ's 00:39:43.059 --> 00:39:46.559 church and looked around. I love this story. 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:52.920 You know, the prophets say, both Isaiah and Ezekiel 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:56.460 say, I'm going to bring you back to the land. 00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.619 And then after you come to the land, you're going 00:40:00.619 --> 00:40:03.960 to experience a revelation. And Ezekiel says, 00:40:04.059 --> 00:40:05.579 I'm going to give you a new heart. I'm going 00:40:05.579 --> 00:40:08.219 to exchange your heart of stone for a heart of 00:40:08.219 --> 00:40:12.159 flesh. And then you'll know that I am God and 00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:14.340 there is no other. There's never been another 00:40:14.340 --> 00:40:18.559 savior, Isaiah says in Isaiah 43. It's only been 00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:21.800 me. But once you come to the land, once I bring 00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:25.420 you from all the four corners and I say to the 00:40:25.420 --> 00:40:28.000 north, give up. And I say to the south, hold 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.119 not back. And I bring you from the east and the 00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:33.150 west. Then when you come, then you'll know who 00:40:33.150 --> 00:40:38.530 I am. So for a while at Christ Church, because 00:40:38.530 --> 00:40:40.789 it is the oldest Protestant church in the Middle 00:40:40.789 --> 00:40:44.130 East, it's kind of a place where people will 00:40:44.130 --> 00:40:47.230 come, even if they're not believers. And the 00:40:47.230 --> 00:40:53.389 church was built on prophecy. It was a group 00:40:53.389 --> 00:40:55.869 from a revival that happened, a prayer revival 00:40:55.869 --> 00:41:00.570 in Britain. that joined with another group from 00:41:00.570 --> 00:41:05.409 Germany. And they, looking at scripture and reading 00:41:05.409 --> 00:41:10.010 prophecy, said, ah, so Israel is going to be 00:41:10.010 --> 00:41:12.849 physically rebuilt and people are going to come. 00:41:12.989 --> 00:41:14.989 You know, they read Isaiah 43 and they believed 00:41:14.989 --> 00:41:18.110 it. So they said, well, if all these people are 00:41:18.110 --> 00:41:20.989 going to be coming to Israel, which Israel didn't 00:41:20.989 --> 00:41:24.099 exist at the time as a nation. But if they're 00:41:24.099 --> 00:41:26.360 going to come to the Holy Land, then we need 00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:30.019 to prepare a place for them to worship. So they 00:41:30.019 --> 00:41:34.519 built this building and everything in it is in 00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:38.179 Hebrew. Because they were not building it for 00:41:38.179 --> 00:41:41.360 expats to come and worship in the Holy Land. 00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:44.239 They were building it for the people that God 00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.780 was going to bring back who would be speaking 00:41:47.780 --> 00:41:50.219 Hebrew because they were the people of Israel. 00:41:50.460 --> 00:41:53.480 And were they speaking Hebrew yet? No, they were 00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:57.219 not. I love it. I love it. At the time, Hebrew 00:41:57.219 --> 00:42:00.539 was only used in the services. It was like Latin 00:42:00.539 --> 00:42:04.539 in the Catholic Mass up until Vatican II. Nobody 00:42:04.539 --> 00:42:08.239 ever used it. In fact, many of the rabbis taught 00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:11.199 that you should never use Hebrew if you weren't. 00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:14.900 praying or in a service because it was a holy 00:42:14.900 --> 00:42:21.019 language. So when Hebrew was being revived later 00:42:21.019 --> 00:42:23.639 in the 19th century, in the early 20th century, 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:29.320 a lot of Orthodox jury fought that because they 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.739 thought that it was the secularization of a holy 00:42:31.739 --> 00:42:34.440 language, but that's a rabbit trail. So anyway. 00:42:35.130 --> 00:42:37.750 Everything that's written in the church is all 00:42:37.750 --> 00:42:39.869 in Hebrew. It has the Ten Commandments at the 00:42:39.869 --> 00:42:41.570 front of the church, but it's all in Hebrew. 00:42:42.050 --> 00:42:47.690 And the symbol for the Trinity is also written 00:42:47.690 --> 00:42:52.989 in Hebrew. Yehovah is God the Father. Emmanuel 00:42:52.989 --> 00:42:59.590 is Yeshua, the Messiah, God with us. And then 00:42:59.590 --> 00:43:02.780 Ruach HaKodesh. Holy Spirit that hovered over 00:43:02.780 --> 00:43:04.860 the face of the water. So it's set there in three. 00:43:04.940 --> 00:43:07.579 It's obviously the Trinity, but it's still all 00:43:07.579 --> 00:43:13.000 in Hebrew and from the Tanakh. So I'm working 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:15.639 as a guide in this building. And one afternoon, 00:43:15.860 --> 00:43:19.059 a precious lady came in, beautiful, tall lady 00:43:19.059 --> 00:43:22.159 with black hair. And she peeks her head on the 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.539 door and she looks around and she says, Mazzei, 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:30.079 what is this? And I said, Zekanesh, yeah, it's 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:33.429 a church. And she looks around again, and she 00:43:33.429 --> 00:43:37.130 says, that's not possible. Look, everything's 00:43:37.130 --> 00:43:40.550 written in Hebrew. And we went back and forth 00:43:40.550 --> 00:43:43.130 a few times, and finally I said, look, I go here. 00:43:43.289 --> 00:43:50.389 It's a church. And when I said that, then she 00:43:50.389 --> 00:43:53.309 walks over to my desk, she pulls up a chair, 00:43:53.469 --> 00:43:55.809 and she says, well, maybe you can help me with 00:43:55.809 --> 00:43:59.829 something then. And she begins to tell me, she 00:43:59.829 --> 00:44:03.610 says, when I was a child, I was raised when Stalin 00:44:03.610 --> 00:44:06.690 was in power. And I was taught that there was 00:44:06.690 --> 00:44:11.610 no God. I was taught to revere Stalin and Trotsky 00:44:11.610 --> 00:44:15.269 and Lenin and all the founders of my nation. 00:44:15.309 --> 00:44:18.929 But I was taught there is no God. But I knew 00:44:18.929 --> 00:44:22.610 there was something. So I used to, as a child, 00:44:22.650 --> 00:44:26.309 pray to the something. I didn't have a name for 00:44:26.309 --> 00:44:32.340 him. But I would ask him for help. And then she 00:44:32.340 --> 00:44:35.099 said, when I decided to make Aliyah, when I decided 00:44:35.099 --> 00:44:39.119 to come to Israel, my government made it very 00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:43.039 difficult for me to leave my nation. And so many 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.719 times it was so difficult, I just wanted to give 00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:50.139 up. But I couldn't because this something that 00:44:50.139 --> 00:44:53.460 I had been praying to, this force I'd been praying 00:44:53.460 --> 00:44:57.280 to all my life. It was like almost there was 00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.539 a force behind my back pushing me forward. Don't 00:45:00.539 --> 00:45:04.679 stop. Go. And she said, now that I live in Israel, 00:45:04.820 --> 00:45:08.340 I haven't found a job that is equal to the job 00:45:08.340 --> 00:45:13.480 that I have. I don't have much money. My circumstances 00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:17.900 are not wonderful. And many times I've thought, 00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:21.920 well, maybe I should just go back. But I still 00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:26.650 feel this force behind me. And it strengthens 00:45:26.650 --> 00:45:30.409 me. And it just continues to tell me, go forward. 00:45:30.969 --> 00:45:33.710 And then she leaned into my desk and she said, 00:45:33.929 --> 00:45:39.550 can you tell me what that force is? Yes. Now 00:45:39.550 --> 00:45:42.849 she knew in her heart what that force was. She 00:45:42.849 --> 00:45:47.329 just wanted me to say it. So if I remember right, 00:45:47.389 --> 00:45:50.369 we talked about Isaiah 43. I said, yes, I can 00:45:50.369 --> 00:45:54.199 tell you. And I started in Isaiah 40 that said, 00:45:54.340 --> 00:45:57.179 do not fear. I have redeemed you. I've called 00:45:57.179 --> 00:46:00.260 you by your name. I've formed you, my beloved, 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:03.320 in your mind. And when you go through the waters, 00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.199 it won't drown you. And when you go through the 00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:08.840 fires, you won't be burned. And then I took it 00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:13.300 up to Isaiah 43 and said, and when you come home 00:46:13.300 --> 00:46:16.380 to the nation of Israel, then you will know that 00:46:16.380 --> 00:46:21.449 I am God and there is no other. And we continued 00:46:21.449 --> 00:46:25.110 to talk. And I never saw her again, but I'm sure 00:46:25.110 --> 00:46:28.789 she became a believer. Amen. As her heart was. 00:46:28.849 --> 00:46:32.710 So she was the epitome of Ezekiel and Isaiah's 00:46:32.710 --> 00:46:34.829 prophecies. She was just standing in front of 00:46:34.829 --> 00:46:38.070 me. And since then, I've talked to so many people 00:46:38.070 --> 00:46:42.090 who were after the fact that they would describe 00:46:42.090 --> 00:46:45.710 to me the same sort of situation that didn't 00:46:45.710 --> 00:46:49.760 happen until they... either came to Israel or 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:54.000 decided to come to Israel, or that they became 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:57.619 a believer wherever they lived, and then immediately 00:46:57.619 --> 00:47:01.340 they had this desire to go to Israel. And many 00:47:01.340 --> 00:47:03.840 people said, I never thought about going to Israel. 00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:07.019 I lived in a wonderful town wherever I was. I 00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:09.360 had a great job. Why should I go to Israel? What 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:13.139 did I need in Israel? But once they connected 00:47:13.139 --> 00:47:15.960 with the Holy Spirit, then he began nudging them. 00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:21.980 Toward God's plan. Amen. Wow. Wow. I love that. 00:47:22.219 --> 00:47:26.659 It just speaks to our Father's heart for His 00:47:26.659 --> 00:47:31.019 people. Yeah. Yes. And not just, I mean, yes, 00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:34.860 absolutely His chosen people, drawing them, but 00:47:34.860 --> 00:47:39.219 He also draws everybody. And that's why He wants 00:47:39.219 --> 00:47:41.519 to pour out His Spirit on all flesh. That's this 00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:44.920 global outpouring that we've been talking about. 00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:48.179 Ever since we started this podcast, it's the 00:47:48.179 --> 00:47:52.179 outpouring of His Spirit. In the book of Acts, 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.280 where Peter is repeating what is spoken of in 00:47:55.280 --> 00:48:00.300 the prophet Joel 2 .28, where in the Greek, it 00:48:00.300 --> 00:48:04.739 says, I will pour out of the Spirit of me. I 00:48:04.739 --> 00:48:07.699 just love how intimate that is. That's where 00:48:07.699 --> 00:48:10.719 we started in this recording. We talked about 00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:16.340 the intimate presence of the Lord. Yes. He wants 00:48:16.340 --> 00:48:21.179 his people to have that intimate relationship 00:48:21.179 --> 00:48:24.420 with him. Would you pray for our listeners and 00:48:24.420 --> 00:48:26.739 just see how the Holy Spirit will lead you along 00:48:26.739 --> 00:48:33.440 those lines? Lord, we feel you hovering even 00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:38.599 as we're talking about you. Yes. And that's always 00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:41.360 true. You say where two or three are agreed together, 00:48:41.420 --> 00:48:44.559 that you're right there in the presence of that 00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:48.639 agreement. So let me just ask for all of those 00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:52.579 who are listening to this podcast, Ta 'ase mashu 00:48:52.579 --> 00:48:57.739 hadash, Adonai. Do that new thing in their life 00:48:57.739 --> 00:49:02.000 that they're longing to see. And Lord, I just 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:04.900 pray that if there are any listening to the podcast 00:49:04.900 --> 00:49:08.940 who are sort of mulling over, wow, this convention 00:49:08.940 --> 00:49:11.480 sounds like something unique, maybe I should 00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:14.519 go to it. Lord, if that's your plan for them, 00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:18.360 then just give them that confirmation in their 00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:23.320 spirit, just that simple knowing that, yes, that's 00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:26.739 the right thing. But if not, Lord, then I just 00:49:26.739 --> 00:49:33.030 ask that you would confirm. to them who you are. 00:49:33.070 --> 00:49:35.829 Yes, Lord. Just like that lady that was talking 00:49:35.829 --> 00:49:39.809 to me in Christchurch, Lord, so many of us really 00:49:39.809 --> 00:49:43.429 are being talked to. We've got that hand behind 00:49:43.429 --> 00:49:46.309 our back that's pushing us forward, that's strengthening 00:49:46.309 --> 00:49:51.150 us, that's giving us hope, and yet maybe we don't 00:49:51.150 --> 00:49:54.130 really have the words to describe what that is. 00:49:54.329 --> 00:49:58.460 But you're... what that is. So Lord, I just ask 00:49:58.460 --> 00:50:01.760 that you would confirm that to each individual 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:05.360 that's listening. Lord, every heart, every ear 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:08.460 that's tuned to this podcast, just confirm to 00:50:08.460 --> 00:50:13.460 them that just as Deuteronomy 7, 9 says, you 00:50:13.460 --> 00:50:18.820 are God, the faithful God who keeps your covenant 00:50:18.820 --> 00:50:23.739 and your loving kindness to a thousandth generation. 00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:27.780 For us who love you and keep your commandments. 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.320 Yes, Lord. And, Lord, we thank you for being 00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:37.579 that covenant -keeping, faithful God. Yes, Lord. 00:50:37.780 --> 00:50:40.340 And just as Paul said, Lord, what our eye hasn't 00:50:40.340 --> 00:50:44.710 seen yet, what our ears never heard about. what 00:50:44.710 --> 00:50:48.789 hasn't even entered into our heart. And we, all 00:50:48.789 --> 00:50:51.389 of us have so much that's entered into our heart, 00:50:51.429 --> 00:50:53.889 hopes for the future and things we'd like to 00:50:53.889 --> 00:50:58.409 do and be. But you say, even that which hasn't 00:50:58.409 --> 00:51:02.329 yet entered into your heart, all that I prepared 00:51:02.329 --> 00:51:06.829 for those who love me. So we thank you, Lord, 00:51:06.949 --> 00:51:11.769 that you prepared our heart for all that you 00:51:11.769 --> 00:51:15.460 have in store for us. We thank you for it in 00:51:15.460 --> 00:51:42.550 Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. 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