WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.200 Nobody ever takes accountability for those inaccurate 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.160 prophecies. And I think that we all have known 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:07.540 that those things have been an issue. It's just 00:00:07.540 --> 00:00:10.300 coming to the surface now where I actually think 00:00:10.300 --> 00:00:14.060 it's the Lord refining us in a way that we can 00:00:14.060 --> 00:00:24.859 have purity in the Spirit again. God promises 00:00:24.859 --> 00:00:28.820 in Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity. 00:00:29.769 --> 00:00:32.750 Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend 00:00:32.750 --> 00:00:35.609 for that promised outpouring, and we equip for 00:00:35.609 --> 00:00:39.149 that outpouring so that we may engage in that 00:00:39.149 --> 00:00:42.560 very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:45.020 Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. We're so 00:00:45.020 --> 00:00:47.600 glad that you're with us. We have with us today 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:50.659 our friend Jeff Simons, who is going to be one 00:00:50.659 --> 00:00:53.920 of our speakers at the convention 2025 coming 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:57.280 up in St. Louis. And we encourage you to be there 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:59.820 with us. But we're going to have a discussion 00:00:59.820 --> 00:01:02.359 about the things that the Lord is showing him 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:07.000 and leading him to bring to the body about restoring 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:14.430 purity in the body of Christ. Thanks for joining 00:01:14.430 --> 00:01:17.230 us today. If you haven't already done so, before 00:01:17.230 --> 00:01:19.989 we get started, we want to encourage you to go 00:01:19.989 --> 00:01:23.150 to our website, globaloutpouring .net. Make sure 00:01:23.150 --> 00:01:25.969 that you're on our mailing list, our email list. 00:01:26.510 --> 00:01:28.750 so that we can stay in touch with you, keep you 00:01:28.750 --> 00:01:31.049 informed of what we're doing. While you're out 00:01:31.049 --> 00:01:33.989 there, you can also look at the event page for 00:01:33.989 --> 00:01:37.590 Convention 2025. We have all of our speakers 00:01:37.590 --> 00:01:41.090 lined up now. We're going to have Siggy Oblander 00:01:41.090 --> 00:01:44.549 opening for us, and Tony Kemp will be ministering, 00:01:44.549 --> 00:01:48.250 and Dean Braxton, and Jeff Simons is one of our 00:01:48.250 --> 00:01:51.730 speakers. Jean Little, and I'll be speaking also, 00:01:51.870 --> 00:01:54.409 and we're just going to have a glory time in 00:01:54.409 --> 00:01:57.909 the presence of the Lord. His presence is always 00:01:57.909 --> 00:02:01.590 so amazingly manifest at this convention because 00:02:01.590 --> 00:02:05.530 He just loves to connect with us, and we love 00:02:05.530 --> 00:02:07.750 to connect with Him. We'll have deep worship. 00:02:08.880 --> 00:02:11.659 tremendous intercession and we'll have flags 00:02:11.659 --> 00:02:14.280 of the nations around the room and you can pray 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:17.240 over the nations. There's tremendous intercessions 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:20.039 going to go on and opening the word, it'll be 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:22.740 deep and glorious and you'll be able to make 00:02:22.740 --> 00:02:25.639 new friends and relationships that'll go on for 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:28.439 eternity. So we want to encourage you to plan 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:32.520 to be with us May 21st through 24th in St. Louis. 00:02:33.020 --> 00:02:36.000 at the St. Louis Airport Marriott Hotel. It's 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:38.879 going to be a glory time. Please make your plans 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:42.919 to be there. Well, Jeff Simons, it's such a pleasure 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:44.979 to have you with us on the Global Outpouring 00:02:44.979 --> 00:02:48.319 Podcast again. It's been about a year or so since 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:50.800 we've had you with us and since you had us with 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:53.840 you on your podcast. So welcome. We're glad you're 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:55.960 with us. Well, thank you very much. It's good 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:59.219 to be here. We were chatting before we started. 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:01.800 on this, just trying to get the mind of the Lord 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:03.740 of what direction he wants to take us. First 00:03:03.740 --> 00:03:06.419 of all, I just want to say that we're looking 00:03:06.419 --> 00:03:10.240 forward to having you with us at Convention 2025 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:14.000 at the St. Louis Airport Marriott Hotel, because 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.620 I feel like there's such a connection in the 00:03:16.620 --> 00:03:20.400 spirit. When we connected a year ago, I just 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:23.520 really felt like there's a real connection. And 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:25.819 then you came here for the Eclipse event that 00:03:25.819 --> 00:03:29.879 we had in April of last year. And we just felt 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:34.740 like family right from the get -go. So I don't 00:03:34.740 --> 00:03:37.340 know if you have any leading yet as to what you're 00:03:37.340 --> 00:03:39.259 going to be ministering on at the convention. 00:03:39.419 --> 00:03:42.319 But if it comes out in this conversation, that 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:43.840 would be good. But we just want people to get 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.060 to know you. And we'll encourage folks to go 00:03:47.060 --> 00:03:49.340 back to the recording that we did a year ago. 00:03:49.539 --> 00:03:51.460 And we'll put a link to it in the show notes. 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:56.300 So you have your own podcast, the Kingdom Awakening 00:03:56.300 --> 00:03:58.639 podcast. That's the name of your ministry. Oh, 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:01.300 and tell us that little piece that you told us 00:04:01.300 --> 00:04:03.979 a year ago about. of the names that you were 00:04:03.979 --> 00:04:07.800 possibly considering for your ministry. What 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:10.500 was one of those? Well, there was outpouring 00:04:10.500 --> 00:04:13.120 international. There was global outpouring was 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:16.259 one of the ones that I was considering. And those 00:04:16.259 --> 00:04:20.360 two are what we were considering too. Isn't that 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:23.300 a stunning thing? I just love that. Yeah. That 00:04:23.300 --> 00:04:26.639 is so amazing. So you have that podcast and you 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:29.279 have a podcast with John Mark Baker called Minor 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:32.220 Prophets. And I've listened in on some of the 00:04:32.220 --> 00:04:34.740 things that you have been tackling, talking about 00:04:34.740 --> 00:04:38.339 the stuff that's going on, the exposures that 00:04:38.339 --> 00:04:42.240 are going on in the church, in ministries where 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:45.139 people who have not been acting according to 00:04:45.139 --> 00:04:48.579 the word of God are being exposed for it. What 00:04:48.579 --> 00:04:52.019 I heard that you and John Mark were sharing together, 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:54.910 I appreciate how you handled it. Just give us 00:04:54.910 --> 00:04:56.529 a little bit of your heart about that subject. 00:04:56.769 --> 00:04:59.970 Well, first, thank you for appreciating how we 00:04:59.970 --> 00:05:02.430 handled it. Not everybody had that response. 00:05:03.889 --> 00:05:06.589 It's interesting because it's dancing a fine 00:05:06.589 --> 00:05:10.509 line, right, where there's entire camps that 00:05:10.509 --> 00:05:14.829 have been publicly stating things against charismatic 00:05:14.829 --> 00:05:18.800 ministers for a long period of time. They don't 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:21.720 have an audience to the charismatic church because 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:25.480 they denounce all things charismatic and cessationist 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.379 and things like that. And we're coming in saying, 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:31.519 OK, we're not in that camp, but we are acknowledging 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:34.339 that there's issues in our own stream of the 00:05:34.339 --> 00:05:37.980 body. And and then the other extreme of that 00:05:37.980 --> 00:05:42.310 is those that have. I'm going to use my language, 00:05:42.350 --> 00:05:46.110 that have idolized individuals to such an extreme 00:05:46.110 --> 00:05:49.310 that they have a hard time acknowledging when 00:05:49.310 --> 00:05:52.589 one of those leaders or ministries does something 00:05:52.589 --> 00:05:55.649 that is either unbiblical or wounding of people. 00:05:56.129 --> 00:05:58.870 And we're not in that camp either. We need to 00:05:58.870 --> 00:06:02.790 be able to discern rightly. And there's places 00:06:02.790 --> 00:06:06.740 where we're trying to address. unbiblical practices 00:06:06.740 --> 00:06:09.639 that we have in the charismatic movement. As 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:12.779 people that are in that movement, I speak in 00:06:12.779 --> 00:06:15.120 tongues and prophesy and pray for the sick and 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:21.519 have encounters and miracles. My salvation story, 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:24.399 I got saved and shortly after went to heaven. 00:06:24.500 --> 00:06:27.100 So I don't know what the different levels of 00:06:27.100 --> 00:06:29.500 charismatic are, but I have a shofar and I have 00:06:29.500 --> 00:06:34.920 a tallit. So that puts me up there. You may not 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:38.620 catch me with the flags, but I'll think about 00:06:38.620 --> 00:06:44.800 it. So it really started, John Mark came as a 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:48.810 guest onto my podcast on Kingdom Awakening. And 00:06:48.810 --> 00:06:52.029 we found that we both had a heart for seeing 00:06:52.029 --> 00:06:55.269 purity come back to the charismatic movement. 00:06:55.490 --> 00:06:59.629 Yes. And we started to find these areas where 00:06:59.629 --> 00:07:03.490 the things that we were quoting and saying didn't 00:07:03.490 --> 00:07:07.189 align biblically. Come on. And it was hard because 00:07:07.189 --> 00:07:10.209 you kind of have to distinguish between, okay, 00:07:10.269 --> 00:07:13.290 am I, we'll just take prophecy, for example, 00:07:13.370 --> 00:07:16.649 right? So in 1 Corinthians, we are commanded. 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:20.620 One prophesies and the others judge the prophecy. 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:23.040 Now, it doesn't mean you judge the prophet. It 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:26.699 means you judge the prophecy. Well said. And 00:07:26.699 --> 00:07:29.720 the challenge that we have is we need to be able 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:32.279 to say, okay, this is good. This is bad. That's 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:35.519 accurate. That's inaccurate. And a lot of times, 00:07:35.540 --> 00:07:38.339 depending on somebody's background in our movement, 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:41.360 they have their identity connected to certain 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:45.699 aspects of this. So to them, if you judge... 00:07:46.060 --> 00:07:48.079 a prophecy, oh, you're judging, you're saying 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:51.399 I'm not a prophet. And we're actually, we're 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:53.839 not making any statements about, you know, offices 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:57.220 or titles or anything like that. But we're saying, 00:07:57.300 --> 00:07:59.439 okay, we need to judge prophecy. We're supposed 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:02.100 to be doing this. Yes. And it's a clear example 00:08:02.100 --> 00:08:05.519 of what we have lost. And I want to make sure 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:08.079 that I'm clearly stating this is my opinion. 00:08:08.910 --> 00:08:11.750 I believe that we have significantly lost credibility 00:08:11.750 --> 00:08:15.170 to the world. We lost a lot of credibility in 00:08:15.170 --> 00:08:19.129 2020. We've lost credibility since then, where 00:08:19.129 --> 00:08:22.189 there are certain prophetic voices that are saying 00:08:22.189 --> 00:08:24.970 that they're going to heaven and seeing Santa 00:08:24.970 --> 00:08:30.949 Claus and fictional characters. Which, okay, 00:08:31.050 --> 00:08:32.909 so we have a bunch of bad things that are out 00:08:32.909 --> 00:08:36.309 there. That wouldn't be an issue. if we were 00:08:36.309 --> 00:08:39.789 actually calling balls and strikes. If we were 00:08:39.789 --> 00:08:42.470 saying, okay, for example, say that our podcast 00:08:42.470 --> 00:08:45.830 existed two years ago and we had people that 00:08:45.830 --> 00:08:47.789 were on and sharing the prophetic word for the 00:08:47.789 --> 00:08:50.830 year and things of that nature. And somebody 00:08:50.830 --> 00:08:53.250 said, in this next year, we're going to have 00:08:53.250 --> 00:08:57.529 World War III by the end of 2024. And then 2024 00:08:57.529 --> 00:09:01.029 rolls, comes through in the end of 2024. I then 00:09:01.029 --> 00:09:05.029 have a responsibility to the audience. to clarify 00:09:05.029 --> 00:09:09.090 and say, we have this person on, and we can't 00:09:09.090 --> 00:09:11.049 particularly speak to what they were hearing 00:09:11.049 --> 00:09:14.389 or not hearing, but we know that that word did 00:09:14.389 --> 00:09:17.629 not come to pass. And it means that we need to 00:09:17.629 --> 00:09:20.450 then view future words with a higher degree of 00:09:20.450 --> 00:09:24.950 scrutiny. It doesn't mean that we fully discredit 00:09:24.950 --> 00:09:28.970 the individual. Oftentimes, it's a learning experience. 00:09:29.230 --> 00:09:32.929 True. I remember there was a time, and this was 00:09:32.929 --> 00:09:36.830 fairly early in my, and my growth in the prophetic 00:09:36.830 --> 00:09:38.570 where I had a friend call me and he said, Hey, 00:09:38.610 --> 00:09:40.909 give me a, give me a word from the Lord. And 00:09:40.909 --> 00:09:45.230 you know, if you, you get a reputation and people, 00:09:45.309 --> 00:09:48.350 it's well -intentioned and you know, they just 00:09:48.350 --> 00:09:50.590 want clarity from the Lord on a particular subject. 00:09:51.169 --> 00:09:55.529 And I, I saw a picture of somebody running. So 00:09:55.529 --> 00:09:57.610 I, you know, I immediately spiritualize it and 00:09:57.610 --> 00:10:00.000 said, OK, well, the Lord is saying that you're 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:01.820 running your race and that you need to persevere 00:10:01.820 --> 00:10:04.159 and endure and you're going to run your race 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:06.340 well. And, you know, I forget what all I said 00:10:06.340 --> 00:10:13.679 because it was wrong. But he said, well, I'm 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:15.720 going to receive your interpretation. I was I 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:17.679 was asking the Lord what I needed to do to lose 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:24.850 weight. And so it was a literal word that I spiritualized 00:10:24.850 --> 00:10:27.850 rather than just taking what I heard and communicating 00:10:27.850 --> 00:10:30.990 that. So I'm not saying that we can't miscommunicate 00:10:30.990 --> 00:10:33.730 things, but we have made the exception the rule. 00:10:33.929 --> 00:10:36.090 And I think this is true in a lot of different 00:10:36.090 --> 00:10:40.350 things, actually, where we have exceptions biblically 00:10:40.350 --> 00:10:43.450 for a conditional versus an unconditional prophetic 00:10:43.450 --> 00:10:45.690 word. There's times where you have an option 00:10:45.690 --> 00:10:48.070 whether or not you see the fulfillment of the 00:10:48.070 --> 00:10:50.789 word. So an example of that is Agabus giving 00:10:50.789 --> 00:10:52.429 the word to Paul and Paul says, you know what, 00:10:52.470 --> 00:10:55.330 I'm going to go to Jerusalem anyway. He didn't 00:10:55.330 --> 00:10:58.429 have to. He had a response to seeing that fulfillment. 00:10:59.210 --> 00:11:01.950 The problem is most of the time the people that 00:11:01.950 --> 00:11:04.610 teach on conditional prophetic words never get 00:11:04.610 --> 00:11:07.129 an unconditional prophetic word and they don't 00:11:07.129 --> 00:11:10.850 get them accurate. So it's creating a loophole 00:11:10.850 --> 00:11:12.870 where I'm never accountable for anything prophetic. 00:11:13.629 --> 00:11:16.850 So I think that we have to get back to authentic 00:11:16.850 --> 00:11:20.950 prophecy, to not trying to be the next superstar 00:11:20.950 --> 00:11:24.309 of prophetic and have the next gigantic word. 00:11:24.490 --> 00:11:28.370 Because like I was talking to one of the leaders 00:11:28.370 --> 00:11:30.649 from International House of Prayer, and he was 00:11:30.649 --> 00:11:32.730 talking about the challenges that he's had with 00:11:32.730 --> 00:11:37.110 individuals that have sold their homes and relocated 00:11:37.110 --> 00:11:41.220 based on doomsday prophecy. from certain ministries. 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:45.539 And he said, it's so damaging to these families 00:11:45.539 --> 00:11:47.919 to have those types of things. I'm like, yeah, 00:11:47.940 --> 00:11:49.919 you're right. And he said, and they never get 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:52.460 fixed up. They never get cleaned up. Nobody ever 00:11:52.460 --> 00:11:55.860 takes accountability for those inaccurate prophecies. 00:11:56.019 --> 00:11:59.039 And I think that we all have known that those 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:01.779 things have been an issue. It's just coming to 00:12:01.779 --> 00:12:05.139 the surface now where... I actually think it's 00:12:05.139 --> 00:12:08.860 the Lord refining us in a way that we can have 00:12:08.860 --> 00:12:12.740 purity in the Spirit again. Absolutely. You know, 00:12:12.779 --> 00:12:16.519 I have continually been repeating the Scripture, 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:19.259 everything that can be shaken is being shaken, 00:12:19.340 --> 00:12:22.340 so that that which cannot be shaken will remain. 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.399 And that's a good thing. It's a wonderful thing 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:30.679 that our Father cares enough about us to bring 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:33.519 us correction. You know, correction is not rejection. 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:37.820 Right. And we have to have correction or else, 00:12:37.860 --> 00:12:41.299 you know, Paul says we're bastards. If you don't 00:12:41.299 --> 00:12:44.080 get the correction, you know. He disciplines 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:47.299 those he loves. Exactly. He who he loves, he 00:12:47.299 --> 00:12:51.139 chastises. Exactly. So we have to embrace these 00:12:51.139 --> 00:12:54.580 things. And God said, I'm starting at my church. 00:12:54.980 --> 00:12:58.740 But he's wanting to shake everything. everything 00:12:58.740 --> 00:13:00.860 is being shaken. And we're seeing more of that 00:13:00.860 --> 00:13:04.240 now, that everything is being shaken so that 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:06.519 that which cannot be shaken will remain. And 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:09.440 it's a good thing. We just have to say thank 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:14.019 you to our Father and run to Him, run to that 00:13:14.019 --> 00:13:17.320 mercy seat, because that's where we get back 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:20.299 on the purity train, you know, the righteousness 00:13:20.299 --> 00:13:22.960 train. That's the path. It's the path. It's the 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:26.259 derrick. It's the way. And our father spelled 00:13:26.259 --> 00:13:29.720 it out for us so clearly in his word. It's Isaiah 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:33.120 35, 8. And a highway shall be there, and it shall 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:35.740 be called the way of holiness. The unclean shall 00:13:35.740 --> 00:13:38.600 not pass over it. It shall be long to those who 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:41.299 walk on the way. Even if they are fools, they 00:13:41.299 --> 00:13:44.799 shall not go astray. So even the very simplest 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:48.299 of people, if they'll just get into line with 00:13:48.299 --> 00:13:51.129 the word. You're not going to fall off the way 00:13:51.129 --> 00:13:55.070 if you get where you understand there is a soulish, 00:13:55.070 --> 00:13:58.009 fleshly way, and there is a spirit way, Holy 00:13:58.009 --> 00:14:01.710 Spirit way, a word way. And what does Romans 00:14:01.710 --> 00:14:06.110 8 say? Verse 14, for all who are led by the Spirit 00:14:06.110 --> 00:14:09.529 of God are sons of God. And that word sons is 00:14:09.529 --> 00:14:12.629 the mature sons, the ones that are old enough 00:14:12.629 --> 00:14:15.669 to... have been working with dad long enough 00:14:15.669 --> 00:14:19.429 that they know how he thinks and they've been 00:14:19.429 --> 00:14:22.350 trusted with the checkbook and the keys to the 00:14:22.350 --> 00:14:26.830 office and they can write contracts for dad and 00:14:26.830 --> 00:14:29.629 sign contracts for dad and dad will say, yeah, 00:14:29.730 --> 00:14:32.549 I'll stand behind that, you know, because they're 00:14:32.549 --> 00:14:34.970 mature. They've worked with him long enough. 00:14:35.309 --> 00:14:39.149 That's where we've slipped a lot, where we have 00:14:39.149 --> 00:14:42.389 not. I mean, the whole point of the fivefold 00:14:42.389 --> 00:14:45.909 ministry is to bring up everybody in the congregation 00:14:45.909 --> 00:14:50.409 into a place of ministry rather than being out 00:14:50.409 --> 00:14:54.129 there as, you know, I'm the hero. And I'm not 00:14:54.129 --> 00:14:57.169 saying that specifically about anybody, but there 00:14:57.169 --> 00:15:00.350 can be that tendency to think of ourselves more 00:15:00.350 --> 00:15:03.330 highly than we ought to think. Right. And one 00:15:03.330 --> 00:15:05.330 of the themes that's kind of come up a few times 00:15:05.330 --> 00:15:10.690 recently is the sins of Eli. And, you know, that's 00:15:10.690 --> 00:15:13.649 something that's been repeated from multiple 00:15:13.649 --> 00:15:16.269 different sources that have said, I feel like 00:15:16.269 --> 00:15:18.750 we're dealing with the sins of Eli. Yes. And 00:15:18.750 --> 00:15:22.970 while I think that's true, I also think the Lord 00:15:22.970 --> 00:15:25.990 impressed upon me one time that Samuel, when 00:15:25.990 --> 00:15:30.809 Israel first cried out for a king, it was because 00:15:30.809 --> 00:15:39.500 of the wickedness of Samuel's sons. to deliver 00:15:39.500 --> 00:15:42.840 Israel from under the sins of Eli through Samuel, 00:15:43.100 --> 00:15:46.980 Samuel repeated the same thing. It's very true. 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:50.639 That Samuel still didn't train up his sons to 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:54.820 walk after the Lord. And you could look not to 00:15:54.820 --> 00:15:57.399 identify any particular ministry, but you could 00:15:57.399 --> 00:16:00.460 go back to the Kansas City prophets and say, 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:04.100 okay, they identified issues with Paul Cain and 00:16:04.100 --> 00:16:06.480 with Bob Jones, and they had the courage to confront 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:09.940 those leaders at that time. And now those same 00:16:09.940 --> 00:16:12.179 ministries that had the courage to confront then 00:16:12.179 --> 00:16:15.740 are the ones that are being challenged now. And 00:16:15.740 --> 00:16:19.000 I think that in many ways, and I've said this 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:21.679 to several other ministers in this process, we 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:24.179 need to be able to say what's true and say what's 00:16:24.179 --> 00:16:26.740 false, say what's good and say what's bad. And 00:16:26.740 --> 00:16:30.039 at the same time, not think of ourselves as more 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:34.820 highly than we ought. It's not like we are incapable 00:16:34.820 --> 00:16:38.320 of making the same error. And we need to make 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.000 sure that we don't rebuild the thing that the 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:44.850 Lord seems to be tearing down right now. the 00:16:44.850 --> 00:16:49.830 removal of idols, again, using my language, idols 00:16:49.830 --> 00:16:52.029 in the church where we have worshiped people 00:16:52.029 --> 00:16:54.269 instead of worshiping the Lord. And we will take 00:16:54.269 --> 00:16:57.610 a person's word and elevate it. If we're honest 00:16:57.610 --> 00:16:59.590 with ourselves in times, we'll elevate a quote 00:16:59.590 --> 00:17:02.309 from a certain minister above clear scripture. 00:17:03.149 --> 00:17:06.289 And, you know, so it's idolatry. And actually, 00:17:06.309 --> 00:17:08.589 it doesn't help that minister either. You know, 00:17:08.589 --> 00:17:11.720 that when Israel. Forgive me for bouncing around 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:14.099 a little bit. But, you know, when Israel, when 00:17:14.099 --> 00:17:16.319 they come out of Egypt, right? The Israelites, 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:18.859 right when they come out, they go to their neighbors, 00:17:19.059 --> 00:17:21.980 the Egyptians. They are given all this gold and 00:17:21.980 --> 00:17:24.400 all the blessing and everything. And they plundered 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:27.160 Egypt, right? Yeah, right. So then they're out 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:30.779 in the wilderness. It's been a minute. And they're 00:17:30.779 --> 00:17:33.079 waiting at Sinai. Moses is up there. And the 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:35.339 very thing that was a blessing to them, given 00:17:35.339 --> 00:17:38.420 to them by the Lord, is what they melted and 00:17:38.420 --> 00:17:41.099 made an idol out of. The thing that was meant 00:17:41.099 --> 00:17:43.480 to be a blessing to them and to their household, 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:46.480 they turned it into an idol. And I think we've 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:49.740 done the same thing. The ministers of our day 00:17:49.740 --> 00:17:52.180 are meant to be a blessing to the body, to contribute 00:17:52.180 --> 00:17:56.099 to the body, and to serve and undergird us. But 00:17:56.099 --> 00:17:58.740 in many ways, we've turned them into idols, which 00:17:58.740 --> 00:18:02.559 was, it's to their detriment and to ours. I think 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:05.039 we have to be intentional to avoid repeating 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:10.029 that same mistake. Yes, absolutely. Before we 00:18:10.029 --> 00:18:12.450 hit the record button, we were talking about, 00:18:12.529 --> 00:18:16.690 you made a comment that I thought was quite amazing. 00:18:17.490 --> 00:18:20.329 You said we're gaslighting ourselves and calling 00:18:20.329 --> 00:18:24.250 it faith. Can you explain that? I think that's 00:18:24.250 --> 00:18:29.690 just a huge, huge statement. Well, gaslighting 00:18:29.690 --> 00:18:32.509 is kind of a buzz term, buzz word right now. 00:18:32.630 --> 00:18:34.549 Explain that, because not everybody will know 00:18:34.549 --> 00:18:37.490 that word. Back when we had gas stoves, if somebody 00:18:37.490 --> 00:18:39.869 asked you, did you leave the stove on enough 00:18:39.869 --> 00:18:42.950 times, even if you had turned it off, you might 00:18:42.950 --> 00:18:46.029 start to think that you had left it on because 00:18:46.029 --> 00:18:48.910 somebody tells you enough times. Gaslighting 00:18:48.910 --> 00:18:51.470 is essentially, I tell you something as though 00:18:51.470 --> 00:18:53.670 it's not true and just keep saying it over and 00:18:53.670 --> 00:18:57.069 over until you believe it. Sounds like the media. 00:18:57.250 --> 00:19:00.309 Yeah, I think the term maybe originally started 00:19:00.309 --> 00:19:04.230 when we had gas lights before electricity. And 00:19:04.230 --> 00:19:06.829 the first story that I've heard about is that 00:19:06.829 --> 00:19:08.950 this man was trying to convince his wife that 00:19:08.950 --> 00:19:11.109 she was going crazy. And he would turn the lights 00:19:11.109 --> 00:19:14.589 down and make her think that he wasn't being 00:19:14.589 --> 00:19:16.450 truthful and trying to make her think she was 00:19:16.450 --> 00:19:19.910 crazy. Gotcha. It's essentially lying over and 00:19:19.910 --> 00:19:23.259 over. Contradictory to what you know to be true. 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:26.519 Yes, to make you think you're crazy. Right. If 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:29.480 it's to somebody else, it's to convince them 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:33.039 of whatever it is that you're lying about. You 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:35.140 know, the sky is green, the sky is green, the 00:19:35.140 --> 00:19:38.119 sky is green, whatever. We gaslight ourselves 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:41.359 and we call it faith. And there are certain teachings 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:46.079 that can be incorrectly applied in a way that 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:50.559 cause people to practice this. For example, a 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:54.079 friend of mine had his marriage blew up recently, 00:19:54.180 --> 00:19:58.539 and he got divorced, not to his own fault. But 00:19:58.539 --> 00:20:02.200 in this process, he started to realize, oh, there's 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.900 things I've done wrong in my marriage. And he 00:20:04.900 --> 00:20:08.140 starts to acknowledge these different areas of 00:20:08.140 --> 00:20:10.559 his heart where he had prioritized ministry or 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:14.440 prioritized other things other than his marriage. 00:20:14.460 --> 00:20:17.539 Again, it doesn't. mean that that was necessarily 00:20:17.539 --> 00:20:20.619 the the only thing happening right but then all 00:20:20.619 --> 00:20:22.660 of a sudden he said i heard this message and 00:20:22.660 --> 00:20:25.740 i realized oh i'm righteous by faith i'm you 00:20:25.740 --> 00:20:27.940 know father thank you so much that i am i am 00:20:27.940 --> 00:20:30.420 by faith i'm right and and i said hang on a second 00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:33.700 you were having a moment where you were authentically 00:20:33.700 --> 00:20:38.220 repenting and you just shortcutted yourself from 00:20:38.220 --> 00:20:40.960 that process to say that because the reality 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:44.339 is repentance can be painful Oh, yeah. Sure. 00:20:44.579 --> 00:20:47.480 Humbling. Humbling. Very humbling. It's acknowledging 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:49.640 that you have done something wrong, that you 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:53.099 have some way affected somebody else. And if 00:20:53.099 --> 00:20:56.799 it wasn't somebody else, another human, the Lord, 00:20:56.900 --> 00:21:00.980 and acknowledging ways that you have wounded 00:21:00.980 --> 00:21:05.619 somebody. It's not a fun process, but it is part 00:21:05.619 --> 00:21:09.910 of the process to acknowledge how our... decisions 00:21:09.910 --> 00:21:13.890 and actions and words have affected others. And 00:21:13.890 --> 00:21:17.410 if you shortcut that process and say, you know 00:21:17.410 --> 00:21:20.049 what, by faith right now, everything is perfect. 00:21:20.250 --> 00:21:22.930 That doesn't change the reality of what you've 00:21:22.930 --> 00:21:26.009 done. It doesn't change your inner heart even. 00:21:26.410 --> 00:21:29.029 What it is, is you're lying to yourself so that 00:21:29.029 --> 00:21:31.809 you feel okay. It's a way of trying to appease 00:21:31.809 --> 00:21:34.809 your conscience rather than actually doing the 00:21:34.809 --> 00:21:37.940 harder work of acknowledging. what the root issue 00:21:37.940 --> 00:21:39.960 was going on in your heart when you were doing 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:43.480 those things. Right. Yeah. I've said for years 00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:47.619 that we all want to be humble, but we don't want 00:21:47.619 --> 00:21:50.019 to have to go through humiliation to get there. 00:21:50.819 --> 00:21:53.940 Right. So that's why it's important that we humble 00:21:53.940 --> 00:21:57.799 ourselves rather than. He'll exalt you in due 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:02.079 time. Yeah. It's not right away time. Yeah. You 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:03.640 got to walk through the whole thing. You got 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:07.880 to finish the process. Absolutely. And I heard 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:10.920 a story of a pastor the other day who he was 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:15.180 sharing of how when he was early on to becoming 00:22:15.180 --> 00:22:18.640 a pastor, he had significant pride in his heart. 00:22:18.859 --> 00:22:21.819 And he would go to this donut shop for these 00:22:21.819 --> 00:22:24.599 leadership meetings with his leaders and he was 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:27.500 meeting there every week. But he was so prideful 00:22:27.500 --> 00:22:30.839 and dictated to them what they should do that 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.799 he got fired shortly after, after being on staff 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:37.259 at this church. He gets a job at the donut shop. 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:43.200 And one day he sees the leadership group come 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:46.660 in that he used to lead. And the owner tells 00:22:46.660 --> 00:22:49.579 him, I want you to go wash the windows. He says, 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.220 no, please, anything but washing the windows, 00:22:52.339 --> 00:22:55.519 anything else. And the owner said, no, you need 00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:59.460 to wash the windows. And the Lord told him. First 00:22:59.460 --> 00:23:01.400 window, second window, and he gets to the window 00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:03.859 in front of him. And the Lord told him, it wasn't 00:23:03.859 --> 00:23:06.740 humiliation that I desired for you. It was humility. 00:23:07.539 --> 00:23:11.539 And I think that humiliation, it's one of the 00:23:11.539 --> 00:23:14.440 ways that we get it. But it doesn't have to be 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:17.740 that way. Right. If we're stubborn, if we double 00:23:17.740 --> 00:23:21.220 down in pride, the reason humility is a requirement 00:23:21.220 --> 00:23:23.839 is it creates space for us to receive his grace. 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:28.160 Oh, that's beautiful. But if I'm full of pride, 00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:31.019 I actually can't receive the grace that God wants 00:23:31.019 --> 00:23:34.400 to bring to me. Very true. And I was just looking 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:37.220 up at scripture, you know, humble yourself. In 00:23:37.220 --> 00:23:38.279 the sight of the Lord. In the sight of the Lord, 00:23:38.299 --> 00:23:41.000 he'll exalt you in due time. And that due time 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:44.579 is Kairos. Oh, there you go. So it's a season. 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:49.339 Yeah, it's a certain moment of opportunity that 00:23:49.339 --> 00:23:52.940 isn't always there. How long is your season depends 00:23:52.940 --> 00:23:56.890 how. Humble you are. How quickly. How quickly 00:23:56.890 --> 00:24:00.089 you admit that you need help. Because really, 00:24:00.170 --> 00:24:03.490 we can't do this, even this on our own. It's 00:24:03.490 --> 00:24:07.269 a work of getting into agreement with the Holy 00:24:07.269 --> 00:24:10.329 Spirit when he's trying to polish and root out 00:24:10.329 --> 00:24:13.470 things that don't belong there. And, you know, 00:24:13.529 --> 00:24:15.990 iron sharpens iron. So sometimes he puts us with 00:24:15.990 --> 00:24:19.769 other kind of people that are just. Way too similar 00:24:19.769 --> 00:24:23.730 to ourselves. What are they used to polish diamonds 00:24:23.730 --> 00:24:26.589 with? Other diamonds, yeah. Other diamonds. Yeah. 00:24:26.670 --> 00:24:30.509 Oh, wow. It's just as hard. Let your light shine. 00:24:30.730 --> 00:24:33.269 You've got to go through some polishing. That's 00:24:33.269 --> 00:24:36.130 true. Never thought of it that way. But it's 00:24:36.130 --> 00:24:39.730 worth it. Yeah. Absolutely. Anything Jesus does 00:24:39.730 --> 00:24:43.710 for us is worth it. Yeah. Yeah. And I see that 00:24:43.710 --> 00:24:46.769 out of all of this correction that the Lord is 00:24:46.769 --> 00:24:50.589 bringing us. He's going to bring us into a place 00:24:50.589 --> 00:24:53.930 where we're going to be more palatable as believers 00:24:53.930 --> 00:24:58.069 to people who don't know Jesus. You know, there's 00:24:58.069 --> 00:25:01.069 a movement out there of people who are, they 00:25:01.069 --> 00:25:05.109 call themselves ex -evangelicals because of church 00:25:05.109 --> 00:25:08.069 hurt or whatever. And I heard a quote recently 00:25:08.069 --> 00:25:13.210 that there's no hate like Christian love, where 00:25:13.210 --> 00:25:18.000 people have encountered fleshly Christians. instead 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:19.920 of Christians that are flowing in the love of 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:24.400 God. The love of God is real. But the soulish 00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:27.740 nature, that's the part that we have to work 00:25:27.740 --> 00:25:32.839 out our own salvation in. Applying the finished 00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:35.700 work of Jesus, applying that grace, receiving 00:25:35.700 --> 00:25:38.920 that grace so that we can humble ourselves and 00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:41.740 admit that we're wrong and get back on the wagon 00:25:41.740 --> 00:25:48.599 of rolling with Jesus. Right. Sometimes we want 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:52.700 the Lord to directly say everything to us. We 00:25:52.700 --> 00:25:56.220 only want to receive it from Him. And sometimes 00:25:56.220 --> 00:25:58.759 it can be harder to receive when it's, like you 00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:01.420 mentioned, that other person, that iron sharpening 00:26:01.420 --> 00:26:06.779 iron. So I have a practice that I do for my ministry. 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:09.759 And I had a friend that just challenged me to 00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:12.440 increase the way I do it. It's actually, I covered 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:15.380 it briefly. my book, which is the importance 00:26:15.380 --> 00:26:18.680 of correction. So every once a year, I ask all 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:22.460 of the board members for our ministry to seek 00:26:22.460 --> 00:26:25.460 the Lord intentionally asking him correction 00:26:25.460 --> 00:26:28.000 that he has for me. It can be personal. It can 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.880 be, it can be for the ministry. It can be any 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.500 of it, anything. And inviting that correction 00:26:33.500 --> 00:26:38.500 where if I can get that practice down. I won't 00:26:38.500 --> 00:26:41.880 be shocked when people give me feedback of you 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.960 did something wrong here or you need to correct 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:48.359 this where it can become part of where I'm more 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:52.500 receptive to correction from the Lord. And I 00:26:52.500 --> 00:26:54.460 had a friend who I was sharing this with him 00:26:54.460 --> 00:26:56.160 and he said, I would challenge you to have your 00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:59.160 kids ask you too. And I was like, oh, that's 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:04.240 good. That's a really good idea. And I did ask 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:06.619 my son. I don't remember if he had something. 00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:11.420 If he did, I wrote it down, but, um, actually, 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:13.140 no, I remember he hasn't got back to me yet, 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:20.900 but the, um, it's teenagers. Yeah. Maybe dad, 00:27:20.940 --> 00:27:23.559 you didn't let me borrow the Mustang to go drive 00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:30.000 when I wanted to, you know, but, um, but really 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.289 what we, what. if we can get this as a common 00:27:32.289 --> 00:27:35.289 practice, what we start doing is we give people 00:27:35.289 --> 00:27:37.769 permission to say the things that have been going 00:27:37.769 --> 00:27:41.130 on that they've been feeling or negatively experiencing 00:27:41.130 --> 00:27:43.490 us because not everything is, is something that 00:27:43.490 --> 00:27:45.150 you're doing intentionally. You may, I mean, 00:27:45.150 --> 00:27:46.849 in all likelihood you're doing it. You're not 00:27:46.849 --> 00:27:48.849 aware of it. You're not aware of how other people 00:27:48.849 --> 00:27:51.210 are receiving you. Yeah. That's why Jesus said, 00:27:51.289 --> 00:27:52.809 father, forgive them. They know not what they 00:27:52.809 --> 00:27:54.750 do. Most of the time people don't know what they're 00:27:54.750 --> 00:28:00.079 doing. Right. Some of. you know, call it in the 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.640 charismatic, we call it Jezebel and in psychology, 00:28:02.819 --> 00:28:08.019 they call it narcissism. Okay. Call it what you 00:28:08.019 --> 00:28:10.519 want. Most of the time when people are operating 00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:12.359 in those things, they don't know that they are 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.599 like that to them. It's normal. This, this is 00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:17.599 what they experienced and this is normal for 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:22.079 them. And if they can have enough humility to 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.599 ask the question of, okay, am I doing something 00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:28.430 that is contrary to how the Lord would have me 00:28:28.430 --> 00:28:30.849 either lead or, you know, whether it be a family, 00:28:30.869 --> 00:28:33.410 a ministry, whatever, then you can start to adjust 00:28:33.410 --> 00:28:36.210 those things and not assume. And this is what 00:28:36.210 --> 00:28:38.309 most of us do, right? We assume that we're doing 00:28:38.309 --> 00:28:41.710 everything correctly and we just keep going until 00:28:41.710 --> 00:28:44.549 the Lord says something or we hit a dead end 00:28:44.549 --> 00:28:46.190 and we're like, oh, wait, what was that? You 00:28:46.190 --> 00:28:48.569 know, and it doesn't have to be that way. Right. 00:28:49.230 --> 00:28:52.210 Absolutely. What else is the Lord speaking to 00:28:52.210 --> 00:28:55.950 you about besides that? kind of thing, looking 00:28:55.950 --> 00:28:59.670 at the body of Christ and seeing where we need 00:28:59.670 --> 00:29:01.829 improvement. What else is the Lord saying to 00:29:01.829 --> 00:29:04.410 you? Well, one I've just been asking the Lord, 00:29:04.430 --> 00:29:07.710 a lot of times He'll speak to you even through 00:29:07.710 --> 00:29:12.769 people's accusations. If we can get an ear for 00:29:12.769 --> 00:29:17.329 it, where even somebody that doesn't have the 00:29:17.329 --> 00:29:19.930 Lord's heart on something, there can still be 00:29:19.930 --> 00:29:23.089 elements of truth in it. that if we can humble 00:29:23.089 --> 00:29:25.549 ourselves and listen to. So I've been asking, 00:29:25.670 --> 00:29:28.470 since we've done the Minor Prophets podcast, 00:29:28.609 --> 00:29:31.089 we've had a handful of negative responses that 00:29:31.089 --> 00:29:34.450 I actually, I enjoy taking those before the Lord 00:29:34.450 --> 00:29:36.549 and asking, Lord, okay, what of this? Because 00:29:36.549 --> 00:29:38.769 it's actually, if we can, again, if we can have 00:29:38.769 --> 00:29:42.230 that right heart posture, then it means that 00:29:42.230 --> 00:29:44.609 negative things can quickly be turned around 00:29:44.609 --> 00:29:47.980 into refinement of character. Beautiful. So I've 00:29:47.980 --> 00:29:50.140 been asking the Lord, okay, Lord, is my heart 00:29:50.140 --> 00:29:53.180 right when I said this, when I did that, those 00:29:53.180 --> 00:29:57.640 types of things. And interestingly, as you mentioned 00:29:57.640 --> 00:29:59.740 before, the Lord is shaking everything that can 00:29:59.740 --> 00:30:03.720 be shaken. And humility is the key right now. 00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:06.619 Judgment is coming to the house of the Lord. 00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:09.190 The Lord is the one doing it. And I also believe 00:30:09.190 --> 00:30:11.509 that the Lord is restoring authentic shepherds 00:30:11.509 --> 00:30:14.670 to the body, those that care primarily about 00:30:14.670 --> 00:30:18.230 the people, not about building followings. And 00:30:18.230 --> 00:30:20.470 I'm not saying that we haven't had that because 00:30:20.470 --> 00:30:24.049 I believe that we have. Yes. I think it's really 00:30:24.049 --> 00:30:27.690 the minority that have had these issues, right? 00:30:27.789 --> 00:30:30.630 I hope. I hope it's not the majority. You know, 00:30:30.670 --> 00:30:34.170 I'm reluctant to say just because. a lot of times 00:30:34.170 --> 00:30:36.970 and i'm sure you guys have seen this for me anyway 00:30:36.970 --> 00:30:39.190 i assume when i get a word from the lord that 00:30:39.190 --> 00:30:42.210 it somehow it has some broad meaning to everybody 00:30:42.210 --> 00:30:45.009 and you know or at least i did at some at one 00:30:45.009 --> 00:30:47.769 point and i don't think that's necessarily representative 00:30:47.769 --> 00:30:50.309 of the entirety of the body so just because he 00:30:50.309 --> 00:30:52.630 says something to me about the you know the stream 00:30:52.630 --> 00:30:56.109 that i'm in it may not apply to others i don't 00:30:56.109 --> 00:30:59.079 know is what I would say. I think that we have, 00:30:59.140 --> 00:31:01.200 there's plenty of authentic pastors that are 00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.819 just serving in their local church and doing 00:31:03.819 --> 00:31:06.539 their best to build up people on a weekly basis. 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:10.019 Yes, absolutely. It's interesting. You know, 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:13.680 one of the words that was coming or swirling 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:17.279 around was the spirit of accusation or the accuser 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.960 of the brethren, right? And I was asking the 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:21.900 Lord, I'm like, Lord, where are these? Are these 00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:24.380 happening right now? And is this something that... 00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:27.279 am I functioning in any kind of accusation? And 00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.359 he kind of walked me through, okay, what is an 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.339 accusation? Accusation is a false witness. So 00:31:33.339 --> 00:31:36.259 something that never happened. An accusation 00:31:36.259 --> 00:31:38.259 is something that's been redeemed. So you've 00:31:38.259 --> 00:31:41.339 repented for it. It's under the blood, but the 00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:44.380 enemy, this is what we see with the accuser, 00:31:44.380 --> 00:31:46.000 the brethren standing when he's standing before 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:51.279 Joshua, right? And he's accusing him, but the 00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.890 Lord then changes his robes, right? So something 00:31:54.890 --> 00:31:56.970 that's already been redeemed or it's something 00:31:56.970 --> 00:31:59.529 true. And the intention or motive is to tear 00:31:59.529 --> 00:32:03.329 down. And when he said that last one, I was like, 00:32:03.390 --> 00:32:05.910 okay, when we're having these conversations about 00:32:05.910 --> 00:32:08.329 hard subjects, our goal is never to tear anything 00:32:08.329 --> 00:32:12.289 down. But that voice is going out there right 00:32:12.289 --> 00:32:14.869 now where there are those that are trying to, 00:32:14.910 --> 00:32:20.170 to tear things down. And unfortunately it's usually, 00:32:20.230 --> 00:32:22.670 and I'll just use this example because it's already 00:32:22.670 --> 00:32:25.849 known. for example, with Mike Bickle and IHOP, 00:32:26.009 --> 00:32:28.730 it was the people that were trying to silence 00:32:28.730 --> 00:32:32.589 all of these victims. They were accusing them 00:32:32.589 --> 00:32:36.450 of, you're just trying to take over IHOP, or 00:32:36.450 --> 00:32:38.210 you're just trying to tear down Mike Bickle. 00:32:38.369 --> 00:32:40.089 None of those things were true. There was no 00:32:40.089 --> 00:32:41.990 evidence of any of those things. It was just 00:32:41.990 --> 00:32:45.250 throwing accusation out there to try to draw 00:32:45.250 --> 00:32:48.630 attention away from the real thing that was happening, 00:32:48.730 --> 00:32:52.400 which was unfortunately significant. misconduct. 00:32:52.420 --> 00:32:55.960 Bad behavior. Yeah, yeah. We don't want the censor 00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:58.779 overlords to get us, but yes. Right. Horrible, 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:02.400 horrible behavior. So is the spirit of accusation 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:05.000 out there? Yeah, it is. And we need to be aware 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:07.259 of it. That's why we need to speak the truth 00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:09.119 and speak it in love. But that doesn't mean that 00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:10.599 we don't speak the truth and it doesn't mean 00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:14.000 that we stop loving. Right. Yeah. And we're going 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:15.359 a little over time, but I'm going to throw this 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:19.880 at you anyway. You know, it's interesting. Have 00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:22.160 you ever thought about how You know, when Paul, 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.859 when he's brought in front of, I believe it was 00:33:25.859 --> 00:33:28.440 in front of the Sanhedrin's Acts, it's Acts 23, 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:34.519 where he actually intentionally sows discord 00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.880 between the Sadducees and the Pharisees. Start 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:44.119 a riot. Where he used that because their ability 00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:48.160 to attack one another actually caused a disruption 00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:52.559 and it exposed an issue. Right. I actually think 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:54.220 that we're seeing some of that happening right 00:33:54.220 --> 00:33:57.380 now in the church where there's some of the conflict 00:33:57.380 --> 00:34:00.500 that's happening is the Lord is allowing it because 00:34:00.500 --> 00:34:04.980 it's exposing things. Yes. Yes. You know, he's 00:34:04.980 --> 00:34:09.300 after a pure bride without spot or wrinkle. Right. 00:34:09.539 --> 00:34:14.139 That's really the bottom line. And when we are 00:34:14.139 --> 00:34:19.420 not focusing on his heart, on his ways, on... 00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:23.119 I remember hearing somebody say that there are 00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:26.300 rabbis, Orthodox rabbis, that will not marry 00:34:26.300 --> 00:34:29.179 a couple unless they look like brother and sister 00:34:29.179 --> 00:34:32.760 because they need to be that much alike in order 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.400 for them to have a successful marriage. One of 00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.420 the things that I always tell young people that 00:34:39.420 --> 00:34:44.300 are considering, where's Mr. Right, where's Miss 00:34:44.300 --> 00:34:47.280 Right? I'm looking for the one that I want to 00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:49.579 spend the rest of my life with. And I tell them 00:34:49.579 --> 00:34:53.380 how God put Philip and me together. And we have 00:34:53.380 --> 00:34:57.119 a very successful marriage. Mostly, I think, 00:34:57.219 --> 00:35:01.679 well, mostly because God's in it. But a lot of 00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:04.260 it has to do with the fact that we were raised 00:35:04.260 --> 00:35:08.900 in a similar way with similar thought patterns. 00:35:08.940 --> 00:35:14.519 Our parents raised us in church. I was not raised 00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:18.090 Pentecostal like he was. But I got into it when 00:35:18.090 --> 00:35:22.090 I was 13. Well, you got filled with the Holy 00:35:22.090 --> 00:35:25.030 Spirit before I did. Yeah, right. But you had 00:35:25.030 --> 00:35:27.329 been exposed to it and I hadn't. But anyway, 00:35:27.429 --> 00:35:31.849 my point is that our lifestyle and our upbringing 00:35:31.849 --> 00:35:34.349 was very similar. And I'm not saying that you 00:35:34.349 --> 00:35:36.989 can't have a successful marriage if you don't 00:35:36.989 --> 00:35:39.889 have that. But what I'm saying is that our father 00:35:39.889 --> 00:35:45.070 is looking for someone just like his son to be 00:35:45.070 --> 00:35:47.610 able to marry him. and the body of Christ is 00:35:47.610 --> 00:35:51.389 meant to be that, that we're being refined by 00:35:51.389 --> 00:35:55.750 the Holy Spirit, like Galatians 5, where you've 00:35:55.750 --> 00:36:01.389 got all of this long list of fleshly works, and 00:36:01.389 --> 00:36:04.130 then you've got this list of the fruit of the 00:36:04.130 --> 00:36:07.190 Spirit. And if you read the fruit of the Spirit, 00:36:07.309 --> 00:36:10.500 you're looking at the character of Jesus. Right. 00:36:10.579 --> 00:36:14.960 So he's after us to work those things out in 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:20.059 us. And the more we yield, the easier the process 00:36:20.059 --> 00:36:23.900 will be. And if we're really honest with ourselves, 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.480 it's the only thing that really matters. Yes. 00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:31.000 And I was having a conversation with a friend 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:33.599 the other day, and we were talking about the 00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:40.190 unspoken caste system. And Christian ministry. 00:36:40.389 --> 00:36:43.269 And I said, you know, at the top, it's itinerant 00:36:43.269 --> 00:36:46.030 minister if you're full time itinerant. And then, 00:36:46.030 --> 00:36:48.210 you know, if you're not if you're a pastor and 00:36:48.210 --> 00:36:50.070 you have an occasional conference here and there, 00:36:50.190 --> 00:36:52.389 then, you know, you're you're slightly below 00:36:52.389 --> 00:36:53.969 that. You know, people want to hear what you 00:36:53.969 --> 00:36:55.869 have to say, but you're not quite to that top 00:36:55.869 --> 00:36:59.030 tier where you get to travel all the time. And 00:36:59.030 --> 00:37:01.429 then, you know, below that, it's just, you know, 00:37:01.429 --> 00:37:03.429 full time local pastor. Your needs are taken 00:37:03.429 --> 00:37:06.389 care of. And, you know, people have a they have 00:37:06.389 --> 00:37:09.340 a need for. for you to shepherd over them, but 00:37:09.340 --> 00:37:12.380 you know, it's, and you get paid that way. But, 00:37:12.460 --> 00:37:15.059 and then below that, it's, well, a lay pastor, 00:37:15.099 --> 00:37:17.780 you know, you're, you're doing, or lay minister, 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:20.380 you know, where you have a job and it's, you 00:37:20.380 --> 00:37:22.119 got to take care of your family, but your ministry 00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:25.739 thing isn't doing well enough that you're fully, 00:37:25.820 --> 00:37:29.159 you know, and it's, it's interesting how, and 00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:30.980 I see it as somebody that has a full -time job, 00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:33.400 you know, and it doesn't, it doesn't matter to 00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:35.960 me. Sometimes people will receive you differently. 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:42.239 when they find out you have a job. Or if you're 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:44.579 an itinerant minister, you show up and they're 00:37:44.579 --> 00:37:49.159 like, oh, they're finally here. The anointing 00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:54.280 has arrived. And some of them are scoundrels. 00:37:54.880 --> 00:38:00.260 Right, right. And I think you can have honor 00:38:00.260 --> 00:38:02.480 and hear what I'm saying, not what I'm not saying. 00:38:02.659 --> 00:38:04.800 There's something right about honoring people 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.960 and things. Absolutely. In that we have actually 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:11.199 in some passive way, we've communicated that 00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:14.480 when you're a really high performing Christian 00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:18.159 or you're really, really super spiritual, you're 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:21.860 preaching conferences and or doing big crusades. 00:38:21.860 --> 00:38:25.820 And that is so contradictory to what we see in 00:38:25.820 --> 00:38:28.940 the gospel, you know, that we should be storing 00:38:28.940 --> 00:38:31.659 up treasure. in heaven not treasure on earth 00:38:31.659 --> 00:38:34.739 yeah and and what we do for the least of these 00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:37.199 what i if i give a cup of water to a child that's 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.780 and i do that in his name that is doing it as 00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:43.760 unto him right and The things that we do, and 00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:46.000 this is a big part of the Sermon on the Mount, 00:38:46.059 --> 00:38:49.920 is the distinction between you say, but I say, 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.739 you say, but I say. And you go and pray for people 00:38:53.739 --> 00:38:56.639 publicly to be seen by men so that they may honor 00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:58.980 and esteem you. But I say when you pray, go into 00:38:58.980 --> 00:39:01.079 your closet where your Father is the only one 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:04.849 that can see you. Yes. You know, so we've made 00:39:04.849 --> 00:39:07.309 the Christian and I think we've, we've communicated 00:39:07.309 --> 00:39:09.429 kind of passively. I don't think that anybody 00:39:09.429 --> 00:39:12.590 would, would actually say, you're really, you 00:39:12.590 --> 00:39:14.409 know, you're really a super Christian when you 00:39:14.409 --> 00:39:17.030 have a book deal with destiny image, you know, 00:39:17.030 --> 00:39:21.829 and I'm not knocking destiny image or, you know, 00:39:21.829 --> 00:39:27.010 I'm just, I'm making jokes, but the, but what 00:39:27.010 --> 00:39:29.449 gets communicated to people is they start to 00:39:29.449 --> 00:39:33.150 think, oh, I want to be as spiritual as. Heidi 00:39:33.150 --> 00:39:35.590 Baker and a Bill Johnson. And those things are 00:39:35.590 --> 00:39:38.590 okay. Paul says, follow me as I follow Christ. 00:39:38.949 --> 00:39:42.869 But we need to, in that pursuit, recognize that 00:39:42.869 --> 00:39:46.230 this is not about becoming the next big speaker. 00:39:46.849 --> 00:39:51.170 The gospel is about how do I steward my time? 00:39:51.530 --> 00:39:55.150 How do I take care of the coworker that I'm interacting 00:39:55.150 --> 00:39:58.150 with? How did I steward that relationship? What 00:39:58.150 --> 00:40:01.230 did I do when I drove past the same homeless 00:40:01.230 --> 00:40:04.230 person that's begging for food money every day 00:40:04.230 --> 00:40:07.030 at the corner you know so those things actually 00:40:07.030 --> 00:40:10.849 matter more in heaven than whether or not you 00:40:10.849 --> 00:40:14.429 had an itinerant gig and and i say that as somebody 00:40:14.429 --> 00:40:16.329 it's one of my favorite things to do by the way 00:40:16.329 --> 00:40:18.809 is preaching conferences and i'm super excited 00:40:18.809 --> 00:40:22.750 to to be with you guys in may i just i love it 00:40:22.750 --> 00:40:26.389 but i also don't over emphasize it and i have 00:40:26.389 --> 00:40:29.730 to have a check in my heart a guard rails in 00:40:29.730 --> 00:40:33.079 place you know so I want to make sure that the 00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:35.940 things that I do are primarily before the Lord. 00:40:35.980 --> 00:40:39.599 And the reason I do them is because I know their 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.579 eternal significance, not just in a conference 00:40:42.579 --> 00:40:44.360 setting. It's important to be faithful there 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:47.059 too, but also when I'm at home with my wife and 00:40:47.059 --> 00:40:50.780 kids and how I steward those relationships. Very 00:40:50.780 --> 00:40:54.699 true. Everything in between. Very true. You know, 00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:56.960 you're going to meet, have you met Dean Braxton 00:40:56.960 --> 00:41:00.219 before? I haven't. Okay. So you're going to meet 00:41:00.219 --> 00:41:03.119 him at this convention. And we've had a couple 00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:05.739 of podcasts with him that covered a subject because 00:41:05.739 --> 00:41:08.880 he spent an hour and 45 minutes outside of his 00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.500 body. His body was dead. The medical team was 00:41:11.500 --> 00:41:13.639 working on him for an hour and 45 minutes, and 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.900 he finally came back. In the meantime, he was 00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:18.659 with the Father and Jesus in heaven. And one 00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:21.900 of the things that he tells, and we'll put links 00:41:21.900 --> 00:41:24.400 to the podcast where he's talking about it in 00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:28.929 the show notes, he talks about In heaven, they 00:41:28.929 --> 00:41:32.329 communicate thought to thought rather than speaking. 00:41:33.050 --> 00:41:37.530 And everyone greets each other with, how can 00:41:37.530 --> 00:41:42.130 I serve you? And it's all about service. It's 00:41:42.130 --> 00:41:45.349 all about how can I serve you? And everything 00:41:45.349 --> 00:41:51.190 in heaven is alive and intelligent and can communicate 00:41:51.190 --> 00:41:54.590 the grass and the flowers and the rocks and the 00:41:54.590 --> 00:41:58.119 atmosphere and the mountains. trees and you know 00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:01.360 everything is alive and and communicating and 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:05.539 he talks about how like even the plants as he 00:42:05.539 --> 00:42:08.139 arrived were welcoming him and that's how they 00:42:08.139 --> 00:42:11.360 were serving him so my whole point here is that 00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:15.840 we have so often i think in the body is in our 00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.539 attempt to honor and and perhaps in in the idea 00:42:19.539 --> 00:42:23.780 of idolizing that we have put such an emphasis 00:42:23.780 --> 00:42:27.909 on serving the top echelon and not the one on 00:42:27.909 --> 00:42:30.469 the street that needs help. You know, how can 00:42:30.469 --> 00:42:34.469 I serve you? How can I serve you? And, you know, 00:42:34.489 --> 00:42:38.690 I just think it's so important for us to be tuning 00:42:38.690 --> 00:42:43.429 in to the Holy Spirit and not just do stuff because 00:42:43.429 --> 00:42:47.130 you see it with your eyes in the natural realm, 00:42:47.210 --> 00:42:51.590 but that we become so tuned to the Holy Spirit 00:42:51.590 --> 00:42:55.849 that we get that nudge. to speak to this person 00:42:55.849 --> 00:42:58.829 or to do something for that person or to serve 00:42:58.829 --> 00:43:02.289 them in a way that is beyond their expectation. 00:43:02.769 --> 00:43:06.090 Like to give the cup of water to a child, like 00:43:06.090 --> 00:43:09.050 you said. Those are things that we do on earth 00:43:09.050 --> 00:43:13.010 as it is in heaven. And it's our service to one 00:43:13.010 --> 00:43:16.130 another that God is looking for in ways that 00:43:16.130 --> 00:43:20.449 we don't really grasp that in our culture so 00:43:20.449 --> 00:43:25.690 much. But that's heaven culture. Yep. That's 00:43:25.690 --> 00:43:28.329 one of the things that is so much on my heart 00:43:28.329 --> 00:43:31.650 in this podcast is that we help equip people 00:43:31.650 --> 00:43:36.610 to do on earth as it is in heaven. Amen. It's 00:43:36.610 --> 00:43:39.110 like when Jesus was washing the disciples' feet. 00:43:39.429 --> 00:43:42.789 Yes. Being a servant. Right. I'm modeling this 00:43:42.789 --> 00:43:46.389 for you. Yeah. Here's what leadership should 00:43:46.389 --> 00:43:49.690 look like. Yeah. Remember our last night in China? 00:43:49.809 --> 00:43:52.559 Oh, yeah. One of those, the pastors. Came out 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:54.940 with this. It was cold. It was about 48 degrees. 00:43:55.179 --> 00:43:57.760 Yeah, it was cold inside. In the church. And 00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:00.820 they came out with this hot water, stuck our 00:44:00.820 --> 00:44:03.579 feet in it, and they just started working all 00:44:03.579 --> 00:44:06.900 over on our muscles, our back, and the pastor. 00:44:07.420 --> 00:44:13.059 Yeah, washing our feet and massaging tight muscles. 00:44:13.219 --> 00:44:17.539 It was amazing. Wow. But it's a culture of service. 00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:22.449 Yeah. So I think we could learn a lot. about 00:44:22.449 --> 00:44:25.150 serving and humbling ourselves to serve one another. 00:44:25.289 --> 00:44:28.349 The reason why Peter said you shouldn't wash 00:44:28.349 --> 00:44:33.090 my feet, I believe, as you look at how the disciples 00:44:33.090 --> 00:44:36.710 were seated at the table, Peter was in the position 00:44:36.710 --> 00:44:38.989 where he should have been washing everybody's 00:44:38.989 --> 00:44:41.030 feet because there wasn't a servant to do it. 00:44:41.429 --> 00:44:44.050 If there's a servant, the servant does it. But 00:44:44.050 --> 00:44:47.610 if it's the last guy at the table, that should 00:44:47.610 --> 00:44:49.710 be washing people's feet and peter didn't feel 00:44:49.710 --> 00:44:51.510 like washing everybody's feet so he didn't and 00:44:51.510 --> 00:44:55.769 that's why jesus did it it's it's about learning 00:44:55.769 --> 00:44:58.929 to humble ourselves and serve one another in 00:44:58.929 --> 00:45:01.550 in ways that you know the world doesn't teach 00:45:01.550 --> 00:45:06.230 this right and you know i don't know about y 00:45:06.230 --> 00:45:08.449 'all but i'm i'm sure you've seen this too the 00:45:08.449 --> 00:45:10.289 place i see it the most is on the mission field 00:45:10.289 --> 00:45:15.699 you know when when you're in impoverished third 00:45:15.699 --> 00:45:19.400 world countries where being a leader is at your 00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.440 expense. It's pouring out of yourself. It's a 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.760 service. That's where you get to see it really 00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:29.300 walked out. And for me, that's, well, one, that's 00:45:29.300 --> 00:45:33.099 where I come alive. I love missions. I know that 00:45:33.099 --> 00:45:34.940 I belong on the mission field. The most fulfilled 00:45:34.940 --> 00:45:40.599 I feel is when I'm out there. and eating awful 00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:46.519 things, but enjoying people that just love the 00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:51.000 Lord. And it's really maybe selfish isn't the 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:54.280 right word, but I feel like when I come back 00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:57.099 from mission trips, I receive way more than I 00:45:57.099 --> 00:46:00.239 give. Yes, it's beautiful. And just experiencing 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:04.869 the body in that way. Yes. And I'm hoping that 00:46:04.869 --> 00:46:07.489 we will have a good representation of people 00:46:07.489 --> 00:46:10.210 from many nations coming to this convention. 00:46:10.809 --> 00:46:13.809 I hope they'll be able to get visas to come and 00:46:13.809 --> 00:46:19.590 enjoy being together again like we have in years 00:46:19.590 --> 00:46:23.150 past. But these last few years have been difficult 00:46:23.150 --> 00:46:26.929 in terms of getting visas and so on. So we hope 00:46:26.929 --> 00:46:30.000 they have success this year. and that you'll 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:32.559 get to meet some people from other nations that 00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:34.199 you haven't been to yet. I know you've been to 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.880 several nations, and I love what God is doing 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:42.019 in your life, opening doors to new nations. So 00:46:42.019 --> 00:46:46.099 before we close, would you pray for our listeners, 00:46:46.380 --> 00:46:50.440 just as the Holy Spirit leads? Sure. Heavenly 00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:56.699 Father, we thank you for the example that you 00:46:56.699 --> 00:47:00.219 gave us in Jesus. Yes, Father. Or the example 00:47:00.219 --> 00:47:04.300 of humility, of going low. Yes. Father, for those 00:47:04.300 --> 00:47:09.599 that are confused by exposure, by things that 00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:12.940 they've put their heart in, that ministries that 00:47:12.940 --> 00:47:14.920 they've put their trust in, that have let them 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.840 down, Father, I pray that you would connect them 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:21.559 to pastors, to leaders, to those that can encourage 00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:24.739 them in their walk and their destiny. Lord, let 00:47:24.739 --> 00:47:27.679 the real things that they experienced of you 00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:31.500 in those places, let those remain and let everything 00:47:31.500 --> 00:47:33.599 else that can be shaken, Lord, let it just fall 00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:36.960 to the floor. Yes. Yes, Father. Father, bring 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:40.079 us back to this place of authentic Christianity. 00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:44.400 Yes, Lord. Forgive us for every way that we have 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:48.780 idolized people, where we have overlooked the 00:47:48.780 --> 00:47:52.159 downtrodden. God, give us hearts. Like yours, 00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:54.480 Jesus. Lord, give us hearts to be near to the 00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:58.780 brokenhearted, to go low. Father, I pray that 00:47:58.780 --> 00:48:01.920 you would restore compassion to the body. Yes, 00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:05.659 Lord. Thank you, Father. And Lord, we thank you 00:48:05.659 --> 00:48:08.179 for what you're doing. We thank you for the move 00:48:08.179 --> 00:48:10.139 of the Spirit that we're seeing in high schools 00:48:10.139 --> 00:48:12.840 and college campuses. God, I pray that you would 00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.800 continue them, that you would increase it. Yes. 00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:18.630 Thank you, Father. Lord, let this be the time 00:48:18.630 --> 00:48:21.309 for a nameless and faceless generation to rise 00:48:21.309 --> 00:48:26.530 up. Yes. Lord, that a move of the Spirit would 00:48:26.530 --> 00:48:29.690 be released in our nation. Yes. Father, I pray 00:48:29.690 --> 00:48:31.929 for the Spirit of Elijah to come, to restore 00:48:31.929 --> 00:48:34.449 the hearts of fathers to sons and sons to fathers. 00:48:34.650 --> 00:48:38.010 Yes, Father. Restore relationship. Lord, I pray 00:48:38.010 --> 00:48:40.389 that Christianity would look like relationship 00:48:40.389 --> 00:48:43.469 again. Yes. Relationship with you and relationship 00:48:43.469 --> 00:48:46.460 with each other. Lord, we bless your name. And 00:48:46.460 --> 00:48:49.860 we magnify you. I pray in Jesus' name. Amen. 00:48:49.980 --> 00:49:14.849 Amen. Check out our website at globaloutpouring 00:49:14.849 --> 00:49:18.150 .org to find out more information, read our blogs, 00:49:18.289 --> 00:49:21.110 connect with us, and donate. You can also browse 00:49:21.110 --> 00:49:23.710 our web store for life -changing anointed books. 00:49:24.130 --> 00:49:27.530 Until next time, this is Sharon Buss. And I'm 00:49:27.530 --> 00:49:30.250 Philip Buss. God bless you with His overwhelming, 00:49:30.429 --> 00:49:31.429 loving presence.