this is going to be a short lived time on the planet. The Bible says it's like a vapor.
Vapor, yeah.
So we need to at least do what we can do in this short period of time
so that others could come to know Jesus, so that we're all together in eternity together, forever.
God promises in Joel 2.28 to pour out his Spirit on all humanity. Welcome to Global Outpouring.
Are we content for that promise outpouring? We equip for that outpouring so that we may
engage in that very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss.
And I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. We have with us again
our dear friend Dean Braxton, and he's going to answer some more questions from our listeners
so that we can learn how it is in heaven so we can practice it here on earth.
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Airport Marriott in St. Louis, Missouri. It's going to be a time of growing in the deep things of God.
And we have our speakers all lined up. Siggy O'Blander will be opening for us. She's a mighty
woman of God with a depth of revelation in the Word and a prophetic gift. Tony Kemp will be
speaking. He's got such a depth in God and follows the leading of the Holy Spirit, bringing all kinds
of wonders out of the Word and out of the gifts of God that operate in his life. Dean Braxton
will be speaking and also having question and answer times so you can find out more about what
happened to him when he was outside of his body for an hour and 45 minutes. Gene Little will be
ministering in our special Israel evening. And Jeff Simons is going to be bringing a message that
is on his heart that the Lord has given to him. He's been used of God in so many ways, in the
prophetic gift and in teaching and in bringing miracles, signs and wonders, ministering in the
streets, all those kinds of things. And I will be bringing the message for the session when we're
going to be bringing new members into this ministry. It's going to be a wonderful time and
we just encourage you to come and bring your family, come and bring people that you know are
hungry for God. It's going to be a life-changing experience. God will speak to you there and you'll
just be changed when you go home. If you're looking for some way to grow in God, this is
a real leg up. That's an expression for helping you get up on the horse. This will be a way for you to
get into a new understanding, a new way of life, even a new way of thinking, a new way of operating
into a deeper anointing in God. Well, thank you so much, Dean, for being with us again to answer
some of our questions from our listeners. It's just exciting to me to let the heavens open.
That's really what happens when we have these conversations is that we may understand some
things from the Word, but out of your experiences that go along with the Word, I've listened to you
over and over again, shared experiences and then where it's found in the Word. So, I just love the
fact that the Word of God is alive and powerful and it shows up in these experiences. So, you can
help us to grow. God is working in our spirits to grow. So, thanks so much for being with us again.
Well, it's great to be back. It's great to be back.
Yeah. We appreciate you so much. We really, really love you. So, I have another question from
Cheryl. She was the one that kind of initiated this, but I only used one of her questions.
She says, something I have always wanted to know, what are mansions in heaven used for? And she
puts mansions in quotes. People are always referring to what it looks like and people who've
been to heaven make reference to seeing their mansion or someone else's. I know that cooking
and cleaning will not be the same. Houses on earth seem to be places for our body where we can cook,
eat, sleep, but what do we use houses in heaven for? Well, that is a great question.
Yeah. It's not one of those questions that I like answering sometimes because I don't want to
disappoint people, you know. But, you know, the truth will set you free. And so, if we even look
at that, I don't go to the scripture because this one is one of those that I think is very important
that we show it in scripture too. And that's John, can I quote it all the time? I quote this scripture
a whole lot when I'm sharing, mainly because I believe it captures mostly everything I experienced
when I was with the father of Jesus in heaven. And, you know, it's found in John the 14th chapter,
one through six. So, I'm reading on the New King James Version. It says, let not your heart be
troubled. You who believe in God, believe also in me. In my father's house are many mansions.
If it were not so, I would have told you, I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go to prepare a
place for you, I will come again and receive you to myself. That where I am, there you may be also.
And where I go, you know in a way you know. Thomas said to him, Lord, we do not know where
you're going. How can we know the way? Jesus said to him, I'm the way, the truth, and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me. And I use that as a foundation verse, usually when I'm
speaking, especially when I'm out evangelizing in different places. Mainly I'm looking at it in the
sense that this scripture is saying, hey, Jesus wants us to be with him. And that he's prepared a
place for us so that we can be with him. Now, this scripture can be looked at in two different ways.
You know, he's also prepared a place on the planet for us to be with him here. And a lot of times,
we don't look at it from that point of view, but we do look at it from the heavenly point of view.
We're going to be with Jesus in heaven, and he's going to prepare a place for us. And the word
mansion here, you know, in the Greek really means dwelling places. Most of the time, people don't
realize it doesn't just mean a house, like a building, you know, like we think. Matter of fact,
when I went to Bible school, I'll never forget it. This is way before this happened to me. And they
told me what mansion meant. I thought to myself, that's what it means. I really don't want to be
there. And the guy that when he described it to me said it was like apartments. And I don't want
to be in that whole apartment. A part of heaven did he go to. You know, so the reality of it. But
when I got there, I came to really understand this phrase here in the scripture, in my father's house
are many mansions. It really means there's a place in heaven for you that no one else could fulfill,
but you. It's not a building as we think it's going to be. It is a place and I don't even know
how to describe it because we think a building is going to satisfy us. And it's not. It's not even
going to come close to satisfy us. What's going to satisfy you is that Jesus Christ has placed a
place in heaven for you that no one else could fulfill, but you. It's not a physical place,
like you're standing in line and if you get out of line, you don't have a place anymore. It is a
place in the family of God. I wish people get excited to know that God has placed you in his
family and no one can take that place. It's your place. And Jesus Christ has created that place
for you. And that's really what this is talking about when it's talking about these mansions.
It's really if you break it down, I broke it down in the Greek, it really means a space.
There's a space in heaven for you that no one else can fulfill for you. It's not a physical
space. It's a space in the family of God. And I like to even use an example like this.
In my family, my mother and my dad, and then I have three brothers, and I have an older brother,
then there's me, and then I have two younger brothers. I'm the second oldest, okay? And then
being the second oldest, if I was to leave the planet today, my number three brother,
the one right underneath me, would not move up and say, now I am the second oldest. You understand?
Right. Right. He would always be number three in our family. That's his space. That's where he was
born. That's what was created for him. It's the same thing in heaven. God has a space for you that
no one else could fulfill but you. Now, are there structures in heaven? Yes. You know, we talked
about it in a previous show, the different structures there. The structures are alive.
And I know that went outside of some people's boxes right now. You know what I mean? They're
alive. That means they can communicate with you. They can move around. I'm doing that on purpose,
so they're stretching some of you right now. But nothing in heaven is dead. Everything's alive.
Everything's got a personality. Everything in heaven is what you call a creative being, a creation,
I sometimes say, because it's hard to really describe that from an earthly point of view,
because we've got things that, yes, they are not alive, you know, but the reality is everything's
alive. Everything's intelligent. Everything. So there are structures there that are what we should
call alive. And they move around. They don't stay in the same place. They move all over heaven.
And heaven is huge. So don't think it's a crowded place. We're all crowding in one area like,
you know, New York City or when I went to Singapore, Singapore, you know,
those types of things. It's fast in that sense. But I'm going to go a little bit further than I
usually do. But I'm doing it on a podcast right now. And this is kind of like risky to me to a
certain extent, because some people are going to listen to this and think, oh boy, that guy is way
out there. But in each and every building, it's a whole new realm. We talked about it before.
Oh, yeah.
A whole new realm. So when you go into a building, you can say I'm going into my house or my mansion,
which is really not, you know what I mean? But let's say you say that when you get in there,
it's a whole different realm. I mean, a whole different realm. It's like you went into a whole
different world all together. It will look different. It would have different things going
on in it. And you've got multitudes upon multitudes upon multitudes of these different
realms within heaven. I can't say it's a thousand. I could say a billion, maybe it's a trillion
of different realms within the realm of heaven that you get access to by going into these
so-called buildings. Okay, no one calls them buildings in heaven. They're not structures
like you think. And now you ask me about people that have these visions, are they out of body
experiences and then they come back. Well, they're trying to do the best they can to describe what
they saw. I would probably do the same thing, but what God had me do a lot is filter it through the
Word of God. And so in filtering through the Word of God, I had to conform to how the Word of God
says it. And that helps me and then that helps you. It helps you in the sense that if I give you a
scripture reference, then you could go read it and the Holy Spirit on the inside of you
can take it and go further. Okay. It opens up more. But trying to explain it in this realm
from an earthly point of view is hard. It's just hard to do it that way. That's why the Bible many
times when they're describing things from heaven, you can go read these things. It says L-I-K-E,
it says like this. It doesn't say this is what it is. This is the closest that person could come
and describing it on the planet. Now they may not use the word like, they may say I saw this in heaven
or I saw that. Because that's what's coming out of them interpreting what they experienced.
And they're relying on their own knowledge or their own way of describing things to be able to
express what they experienced there. And so I say that to you. And it's very hard. And Sheridan
Fields heard me say this many times. I can tell you what I saw. I can tell you what I heard.
I can tell you what I experienced. That means I felt. But I can't tell you what it tastes like.
And I can't tell you what it smelled like. And everything there has a smell and it has a taste.
And you may say why can't you Dean? Because on the planet, for me to try to describe it in those
frame of taste and smell, we have something we're tasting all the time and something we're smelling
all the time and it's called deterioration. Things are falling apart. Things are dying.
And whether you realize it or not, you got used to the smell. But that smell does not exist in
heaven. Let's say I have an encounter with a tree there. Well, the tree is not dying. There's
nothing falling apart on it. How do I describe that in the sense of giving you that description
of that tree here on the planet, when every tree here has got fallen leaves on it, mostly maybe not
evergreen trees, but fallen leaves, but they lose their needles. You know what I mean? So they got
deaf too. Or the bark is rotting, or all that stuff. When there's none of that existing there.
So now I come back and I say, I see trees in heaven. What do you do? You say, okay, you look
at the trees that are around right now and you say, okay, no, it's not like the trees here.
You understand what I mean? The trees there don't deteriorate. So how do I describe that? Because
I can't tell you how they really smell. And I can't really tell you how they taste, because
there's a taste that comes off of a mouthful. You go up in the forest and see if you don't get a taste.
You know what I mean? You taste the pie in the air. So I'm saying that to you so that you understand
that people, when they have these experiences, they go over it and now they come back and
interpret it the best way they can with the knowledge that they have from the planet that
we live on. But the best way to really describe it all is really go through the word of God.
And to say this, this is Dean Branson. Some of you may agree with me, you may not. If God describes
it different than what you think it is, you have to go with what he says.
That sounds like wisdom.
The source.
That's hard for us to do sometimes, you know? Because we would like to say we got it down and
we described it the best way and that's the way it is, you know? How do I describe the living water
there? John said he saw the sea in it and it's like glass. He said like glass. He didn't say it was.
How do I describe that? I remember going over the Columbia River there and watching the state to
Oregon and it was clear day and it was beautiful. And I'm looking at and the sun is setting. I'm
looking at that water and I'm watching the reflection from the sun on it and it looked like glass.
Was it glass? No. But it looked like glass.
There you go.
And so I don't want to get anybody to come back and share these things with people because they're
doing the best they can with the knowledge that they have. I just want to say to them, you got to
filter it through the Word of God. And I think that was one of my mandates to come back and do
that. Just a little bit more because I didn't know I was going to be able to share this. I was going
to share earlier but there wasn't an opportunity and now the opportunity has come.
Okay, go for it.
In 1990 is when I was prophesied to have this experience. Didn't have it until 2006, 16 years
later. But in 1990, a prophet laid hands on me at a vineyard church there in LA. You know, I'm not a
courtesy dropper. If you lay hands on me and I fall, that means the Spirit of God really came upon
me. I ain't falling because you laid hands on me. I'm falling because the Spirit of God hit me.
Come on.
And the Spirit of God hit me and I was falling. But I remember what this prophet said to me. The
first thing he said, you will be a pillar in my church. That's what he said first. He said,
you will be a church and you'll be a father to the fatherless. And then I hit the floor. Okay.
Wow.
And I remember getting up off that floor and thinking to myself, I know what a father to the
fatherless it means because I worked in the juvenile justice system and I worked with a lot
of kids that didn't have fathers. And I became their father in that situation. But I didn't know
what he meant by pillar in my church. And I really got off the floor saying to myself,
I'm no Kenneth Copeland. I'm no Kenneth Hagin. I'm no this guy. Because those people are smart.
And I'm thinking in my head, I don't have all that that they have, you know. 16 years later,
I leave the planet or die and go to be the father of Jesus and I come back. And I remember laying
in the bed afterwards and I'm just thinking about all these things I experienced with my father Jesus
in heaven. And I'm looking up at the ceiling and I hear him say, this is what I meant by a pillar
in my church. And what he was saying to me was that I could take this experience and I had to
filter it through the Word of God. Okay. And then filtering through the Word of God, didn't bring
it back and share it with people. That's what he meant. Because a lot of times we have spiritual
experiences and we don't filter it through the Word of God. We just believe that's just the way
it is. And then I hear people all the time say, not everything that God has done is in His Word.
You know, and they're correct. I go and say they're not. But everything that we're supposed to know
is in His Word. That's what I tell people, you know. And 99% with that attitude, 99% of everything I
experienced with the Father in Jesus, I can find in the Word of God. And I always tell people,
I saw some way out things. There's unicorns in heaven. You know, we think that's a mythological
creature, you know. And yet, you could go in the Bible, you could look it up. Just Google it.
How many scriptures talk about unicorns? They call it unicorns or unicorns. They're in their
scripture. I saw them in heaven. They were there, you know. So, I'm not coming back and telling you,
oh, I saw unicorns in heaven. No, it's in the Word of God. There were creatures that we would say,
so I always get the questions from kids about dinosaurs. Are there dinosaurs in heaven? I go
to so many schools with young kids and I always get, are there dinosaurs in heaven? And I say,
there are creatures that you could say were dinosaurs, but they're not really dinosaurs.
That's what I said. And yet, you can say, how many scriptures talk about dinosaurs? And they're
there. They're in the Word of God, you know. And so, over and over, I could find these things that
were things I found in heaven, or saw in heaven, rather, and yet, they're in the Word of God. And
what am I going to do? I'm going to conform to the Word of God, because the Word of God is life. And
like I said earlier, you probably heard me say on other shows, I'm going to give you that. You know
why? Because I'm way short in describing what I really experienced. But if I can give you the Word
of God, you can read it in the Holy Spirit. Listen to what I'm saying. And the Holy Spirit, I'm not
saying that because it sounds good, all right? I'm saying it because I really believe this is what
the Holy Spirit is saying to you right now. And the Holy Spirit will show you more. If I can give
you the scripture, you can read it and watch what God shows you. It will be much more that I have
said. Is that good news, or is that good news? That is such good news. It's a little scary to me when
you say, you know, when you prophesied you're going to be a pillar, you know. And I had a prophetic
word over me about the third year that I joined the ministry at our World Convention. Someone came
up and says, I see you as a pillar in this ministry. So I hope I don't have the same experience.
No, darling, you only are a pillar in the ministry.
And I should, Phil, I should go back. And what God really wanted me to do is to draw the line
and say to people, you can have these experiences, but they must be filtered through the Word of God.
And I'll be honest with you, many people have the experiences, but they don't filter it through the
Word of God. They filter it through their own filter, instead of going through the Word of God.
Right.
And a lot of my colleagues do it. A ton of them do it. You know what I mean? Some of them that do
filter it through the Word of God do it for the wrong reason. And the wrong reason is I'm doing it
so that I can prove to you I'm right. That's not, anytime I give you a scripture, it's not to prove
that I'm right. I get to go to heaven whether you think I'm right or wrong. Yes, I do.
It doesn't matter. It's all about Jesus. The reason that I'm giving you the scripture is so
that God could show you more. That's the only reason.
Beautiful. Beautiful. Build on the good foundation.
Yeah.
Okay. Well, I've got another question from Daniel. Did Jesus have the same form the Father has
at the moment before he was born into a human body?
You know, and Daniel, to be honest with you, I can't tell you that. And the reason I can't tell you
if he had that form before he was born into a human body, because the form I saw him is the
one that he wanted me to see him in.
Oh, I love that.
And so that's the form that I saw him in. You know, I'll go a little bit further. No one's really
worried about his form in heaven, to be honest with you. What they're thinking about, he's Jesus.
He's the Lord. As I say, really, they don't even say Jesus or Yeshua or any of those names. They
say Savior. That's what comes across.
You know, this is actually a question I had for you. You just hit my confirmation button,
because I've been understanding that we don't get the meaning of names. In English, it's like
you have to look it up in a baby book or online to find out what a name means, most of the time.
I mean, you might name a baby, a little baby girl, Hope or Joy or Charity. And those are
understandable words. You might, like our pastor has named one of his sons Valor and another one
Arrow. You know, those are very clear names. You understand what they mean. But so many times we
don't understand the names. And in Hebrew, if you could read the Hebrew, you would understand,
like when Leah was naming her sons, Leah and Rachel were naming their sons, they made a statement
and used a word. And then they grammatically adjusted that word with the same letters and sounds
to name that person. Like remember the prayer of Jabez that they did some years ago. So Jabez was
named Jabez because it means causes pain, because his mother had had pain when she delivered him.
But the idea of Jabez, the prayer of Jabez was partly, Lord, don't let me cause pain.
Because all of his life he'd been called pain causer, you pain causer, come on, pain causer,
wash your hands, it's time for supper. Pain causer, go help your dad. You know, so what I'm saying is
that in heaven, because I asked you once before about God's name. And I really think that we
totally lose the impact of his name by arguing about what his name is. Instead of translating
it into the language we understand, like the father, his name means he who was, he who is,
and he who is to come. And Yeshua means savior. So if you were hearing him being called savior,
rather than Yeshua or rather than Jesus or Esu or the many different ways that it's translated into
different people's languages, they're transliterated. You know, they take the name from the original and
they fit it into their language. It really means savior. And I think we would get so much more
out of our experience in worship if we would embrace him as who he is, what he is,
rather than focusing on how to pronounce his name.
Yeah. I'm with you on that one, because they did it when I was there with the father and Jesus in
heaven. You know what I mean? They didn't concentrate on how this, they just knew he was savior. And
I don't know, every time I've ever said that inside of me, I always, the next thing I say to
myself is I need a savior. That's what I said to myself. Oh wow. That's so beautiful. Wow.
Whenever I say it out, the next thing inside, I always say I need a savior.
So when you talked about when you were experiencing the father,
you were calling him father, right? Yes. And you said Holy Spirit was inside of you.
Yeah. Like you couldn't see the Holy Spirit. But I'm just thinking about how we get so concerned
about the names. And I have a thing about the proper pronunciation of the name of God, but
I think getting it for what it really means is what God's trying to get to us.
Yeah. Well, you know, we could go into that, but I want to go back to Daniel's question.
Yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Beg your pardon. I didn't mean to interrupt that.
Maybe we need to do a whole show on that again. You know, to be honest with you,
there's a lot I can say on that. But I just wanted to make sure he knew that when I experienced Jesus,
I saw him as he wanted me to see him. And one of the ways that I saw him was probably, it's been
one of the hardest ways for me to describe him. You know, I was just with Akeana, you know, a few
months ago in Texas, and she painted that picture, the Prince of Peace. And people have asked me that
Jesus looked like that when I was there. And I tell them, no, he didn't look like that when I was
there. But Jesus will show himself to people as he wants them to see him. So I cannot deny that she
didn't see Jesus that way, or other people that have seen Jesus the way they think they saw Jesus.
Because I know that he will show himself as we want to see him. That's just the best way I could
describe it. When I was in heaven, there was no more showing me in the way I wanted to see him.
It was showing me in the way he is. The Bible says we will see him as he is, you know, and the
description I try to describe him as when I looked at him, he looked almost liquid to me. And I don't
I don't like saying that sometimes, because I'm way short, but because he seemed to be changing
every moment as I looked at him. And what I mean by that, he looked one way one second, and the
next second, he looked another way. The other thing that was amazing is what was coming out of
him was like rainbow lights, beautiful. And the closest I could come is like if you have a crystal
and you have a prison in and then that light shines through it, and it comes out with different
colors, in him it was coming out that way. There was no light shining through him. That's what was
coming off of him, not only with the white light. But I remember looking at him and he seemed to be
looking different every moment. Now, you know, I brought this up here already before, you know,
the scripture in the 16th chapter of Mark, the 12th verse, where it said, and he took on a different
form when he was talking to the man that was walking on the way to the maus, which let me know
that he can transform himself to look as we think he should look. We all have this image of him.
And so I look at it as love. This may not go over with some people, but I look at it as love.
He loves us so much that when he reveals himself to us on this planet, he reveals himself in the
way that we think he should look, you know, and that's love. But in heaven, no longer is it that
way. He's going to reveal himself as he is. And so when you get there, you're going to find out
a lot of the descriptions we have of him on the planet are not going to fit with what you see when
you get to heaven, because you're going to be able to see him in pureness of who he is. And there's
nothing going to impede you with your own analysis of what he should look like. I know that recently,
you know, they did this image of the cough that Jesus was supposed to be buried in.
And they come out with this image recently of this man that what is supposed to be looked like,
you know, how we got so smart, we can now tell you, you know, that type of stuff.
That's always going back, I want to be God, you know. But the reality of it is that all the things
that we get on the planet are going to be impure compared to what he really is like. And he's even
more than that. When I saw him enter into the Father when we were worshiping, you know, he
literally walked into the Father. And he was no longer there like I thought he would be there.
I can't even describe it. I can't say dissolved inside the Father, but he was no longer there
like I thought he should be. So that when we were worshiping around that throne, and we were giving
God praise, Jesus was there. The Holy Spirit was there. The seven spirits of God were there,
but they were all one. Right. You understand what I mean? I love that. And then when we were done,
he came out of the Father. But how do you, how do you, there's nothing on the planet I can even
come close to trying to describe that. And I'm looking always for some way to do that.
You know, probably some scientists out there probably could say, well, that sounds like,
and they'll tell you the formula that it sounds like and how it happens and all that stuff, you
know, you know, which tells me, okay, there's God again, but it seemed that he is God, you know,
but the reality of it is no, I couldn't tell you what he was like before that moment, because
he's no longer that way. He doesn't exist like that any longer. You know, that's something to
think about. Once he took on the form of a man, you know, he did not give it up to go back to
be in the way he was before he took on the form of a man. Wow. That's tremendous. And that's really
for our advantage. Anybody who's listening to me, that form he took on as a man, he kept for our
theirs. That's love. Again, that's just love. I'm telling you. I don't know about anybody else,
but that's just love, you know? Beautiful. And I think in Philippians, the second chapter,
starting at that first verse, where it says he gave up all that, you know, for us, and he didn't
return back to it. He just gave it up and he gave it up for us. You know, I wonder if this is just
me asking a question. I wonder if he would have denied going to the cross, you know,
in the Garden of Gethsemane. He said, not my way. Would he have gone back to being what he was like
before he became the Savior of Jesus? Yeah, I wonder. I'm not saying that's just way off on
the side. Doesn't get no one saved, you know what I mean? Doesn't put no one in hell. Right, right.
It was just like, but I think as a man, but if you think about, if he had the opportunity to return
to be like he was before it and not go through the cross, do you understand what I mean? That
should tell us the Lord loves us. Yes. Yes. Who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross.
Yeah. Thank you. It was so that he could redeem us. That was a great joy for him.
That was a great joy. Oh man, I just get excited thinking about that.
We know what he gave up, you know, but if you think about if he had the opportunity to go back
to it and he chose not to, whoa. I'm not saying he did and Jesus didn't tell me that in heaven,
so nobody out there say, well, Dean said in heaven, he had and he, no, I'm just,
that was just me asking that question. So you have questions too.
Yeah. Okay. I think we have time for one more question. Okay. Eternity is limitless. Yes.
The word eternity in Hebrew is Olam and it comes from a root word that means concealed or secret.
Has the Lord given you any way to express the difference that you felt being outside of time
and then being back in time and is space or distance also limitless?
You know, that was probably one of the hardest things for me to accept when I got back into this
body, the limitations that I had. It seemed like outside of the body, I had no limitations.
It seemed like if I wanted to stretch my arm, it would stretch as far as I wanted it to go.
And there was no worry about it having any limits to it. It seemed like if I wanted to see,
I could see as far as I wanted to see and there was no limit. So how far I could see everything
about me had no limits at all, none at all when I was in eternity. Okay. The other thing that really
got me about eternity, I knew I was connected to everything and everything was connected to me.
And it was really securing to know that you belong to all God's creation and all God's creation
belongs to you. I remember you were coming back to the planet and thinking how there's no really
limits on us. We put limits on ourselves. You understand what I mean? You know, because in
reality, we know the earth was created for us. But if you think about it, heaven was created for you
too, because God don't need heaven. And it was limitless what we were created to be. I used to
say this and these shoppers like this, men and women, I used to say we were created for newness.
That's why things when they get old, we want something new. We were always created for
something new, you know what I mean? And so, and saying that to you, that's when a guy that being
in that eternal realm or that limitless realm is that we were created for it. It's our natural
place. That's the real place that we're supposed to be in. When Adam and Eve were created, they
were created to live forever. This dying in this body was never the full plan of God. It never
became part of his doing because of Adam choosing to do what he did, you know? And so, and saying
that to you, you know, I just remember coming back to this planet and then being put in this body
and then understanding how powerful our spirit really was, you know? And I don't think,
whether it's born again or not, our spirit is so powerful. Okay, I'll go ahead and say it.
Okay.
I haven't said it. I remember watching people with a lot of weight walk around,
you know, lots of weight on their body and thinking, man, that spirit sure is strong.
That's what I was thinking. I remember that's what I would think when I was in the hospital room.
When I first came back, how strong our spirit really is, because everything that operates in
our body is operated by our spirit. And most of us don't realize that. But it's limited because
it's in this body. It's limited in this body because of the limitations that we put on it.
You know, you always wanted me to talk about the authority that we have. And I haven't reached over
to that realm yet to bring that out, you know? But one of the things that I tried to describe is
how powerful our spirit really is, the real us on the inside, and what limitations we don't have
that we give ourselves, you know? And a lot of times we do that through words, because we speak
it into existence, not understanding that we're speaking it into existence.
Right.
Right. You know, so, but in saying that to you, I remember how limited I became when I came back to
the planet. And I would stand up and look out the window of my hospital room. And I was like, oh,
I forget what floor, six-four, six-four, yeah. And I would look out the window and they were doing
construction out there. And I would watch the man move around and thinking how powerful those
spirit that they had on the inside and them was powerful, but how limited did they became
because of being in this body, you know? And that was something for me to adjust to when I came back
to the planet. My wife even could see that it was a hard adjustment for me. And I had to remember
I was in this body many times. I laugh about it because I'm coming back, I forget I was in this
body. I would forget it. One time we were driving, I was driving. I don't know if I told you this
story before, but I'll tell you. And as we were driving, I was driving rather, I decided, I was
thinking about having so deeply that I took my hands off the steering wheel. This is before we
had the self-driving cars and all that stuff. And I crossed them, you know, on my chest and I was gone.
And then I realized, oh, I'm driving. I have to hold my, I have to, I have to put my hands on the
steering wheel. I had to remind myself. Thank you, Jesus, for angels here. And my wife looked at me
and said, no, you didn't. That's what she said. Because I had to remind myself I was back in this
body and held me, but it was, it was, it was old. And I remember I took up golfing just to be closer
to my family, but I used to go golfing by myself. And then Marilyn would drop me off and then she'd
come and pick me back up. And she told me one time she came to pick me up and I just didn't show up.
And I just didn't show up. And I just didn't show up. And then finally, when I got there, she said,
I thought you were gone. She thought I just left my body and went because that's, that's how I was
operating. It took me a while to get used to being back in this body. That's probably why your wife
drives more than you do. Just in case you check out. You've gotten used to it now though, haven't
you? I got used to it, but I have to consciously sometimes tell myself some things. Yeah. Because,
you know, I was outside the body and I was more like there than here. And it's a whole different
story. You know, that's why sometimes I told you, I even look at the body and said, you got to act
right or I'm leaving. I know this. I'm not alive because of my body. My body's alive because of me.
I know it. And it's hard for people to realize that. I wish I could operate outside this body
all the time and not have to be in it. But to have the authority on this planet, you need this body.
And I love my Lord so much. I really do. I love him so much. I'll keep the body because I want to
reach people on this planet. If I didn't have the love to want to reach people that Jesus had,
I'd give it up in a moment. You know, that's why sometimes people do when they come back.
I know people that come back and they, I remember this one guy out of New Zealand.
He came back and it was hard for him. He left six months later. He didn't stay. You know,
he said, I'm out of here. You leave your body and come back and see if you want to stay on this
planet. It's hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Deterioration is bad. It's just bad. It just,
it just really is bad. People don't realize death and separation. It's just, there's none of that
there. Yeah. You know, you're just anticipating people coming. Yeah. You're looking forward to
that. You know, you know, like if a relative came or your grandchildren came, you, ah, good,
I'm excited to come here, you know, on the planet. We're glad they come, but then some of them leave
and we don't want them to leave. Yeah. And I mean, die. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a whole different
story. Yeah. But each and every one of us, I think, experience it when we go to sleep and we close
our eyes and all of a sudden we're just like, we're, I don't know how you feel, but I feel like I'm
just stretched out. I'm everywhere. I'm all over the place. And then I open my eyes and I'm in this
body. You know what I mean? Maybe that's only come because I had the experience, but I, I think I
close my eyes and I'm just stretched out. My arms is longer than, than long could be. I could see
things. I mean, seriously, I just go there, you know. Wow. Wow. That's amazing. You know,
just to go back for a moment about what you said earlier about people who go to heaven before their
time. Yeah. Obviously it leaves more, probably more grief on the planet for the family, but
is there any kind of a, of a feeling in heaven that a person, I mean, obviously if everything is
clear and perfect, you're not going to feel guilty that you came sooner than your time,
but is there something left undone on the planet because you chose to go ahead and leave early?
There's, yeah, there is. There's a lot of people that have left the planet earlier than they were
supposed to. You know, we got gaps all over the place because of it. And Jesus, of course, is
working to fulfill the gaps. And then we got those that never got born either because of miscarriage
or abortion for some reason. You know what I mean? And there's gaps from those people also.
Now they're with the father of Jesus in heaven. And so, but the reality of it, we got gaps in
things and Jesus is doing what he needs to do to arrange so that we could fulfill as many gaps as
possible. That's why some of us, I think are stretched very thin in some things is because
there's gaps where there should have been another person here to fulfill that piece.
There's always someone on the way, but you know, people got attitudes too.
And so I don't know, you know, doing this as many years as I've done, and you probably got
attitudes and sometimes I'm wondering, why do you get that attitude? This is about the kingdom of
God. Oh, they offended me. Well, God said we're to forgive and move on. I mean, it's like, and now
we got to go through this whole thing. And then the work isn't getting done because now we're
dealing with the attitudes and there's a lot of attitudes that I just don't understand. And then
people are impatient. Part of the fruit of the Spirit is patience. And we got people that,
oh, God's called me to do this and they go and try to do it. I was the same way, so I couldn't
get on nobody. And yet it's not the time to do it right there. I was getting here in the state of
Virginia, we have to get our car inspected every year. And many states do that for their emissions
and all that stuff. And I was getting my car inspected this month and went into the place I
was doing and going to wait there. And this lady came in and she started talking to me and we talked
for a long while and she's telling me about her life and her husband's life and how he passed away
a few months ago. And I'm just listening to her and great story. Her name is Elaine. And so
afterwards I asked the Lord, I said, should I give her some of my books? And I felt like the Lord
said, yeah, could I ask? I'm not trying to promote myself, but I asked. And so I ran in there
and she said, thank you and everything like that. And then when I was leaving, I was thinking,
that's the only reason I came here today was to meet this lady. So that's how I got to know her.
Yeah. So that I could comfort her and give her some books. And I think Jesus were that.
And what if I had attitude, you know, and I waited, I get, I guarantee you, I waited about an hour and
a half to do this inspection. You know what I mean? And you know, the Lord, just because he would love
that lady so much had put me in the position and that place. So that, and some people call it divine
appointments. And I think if you're born again, every appointment you have is divine. There isn't
a special divine one. All of them are divine. You wouldn't be here. So when you say that about people
leaving early, you know, there's people that left the planet early. No one's faulting them in heaven
and saying, man, when you come, you know, you ain't supposed to be here until 10 years from now. Why
are you here now? No one's doing all that, but it does leave a gap on the planet, you know?
And Jesus is working to clean it up.
And I tell people many times, especially those that grieve at something, especially when their
loved one leaves and they really hurting hard and they want to go. I said, we need you still.
Your family needs you here. That's who needs you. Number one is your family first.
Yes. And I don't mean, need you in the sense of to do things for them. They need you to,
so that you can intercede for them, pray for them. Once you leave the planet, there's no more people
up there interceding for people. Like people think they're praising Lord for things that happen on
the planet, but they're not interceding. That's given to us on the planet to intercede and stand
in the gap. You look at the word in the words that has people interceding or standing in the gap for
a lot of people. I think that most people, number one is just to pray for your family. If you just
pray for your family, man, Sharon and Phil, this is what gets me. We don't think it's adequate
enough just to pray for our family. We gotta be doing something else with the Lord that make it
seem like we're doing something. And yet I believe the number one reason we're here on the planet,
first of all, is to pray for our family. Beautiful.
Wow. Second, all the other things. If I'm not praying for my family, then why am I here?
And then I pray for other people. I pray for you and Phil, you know, every day. I don't miss a day
I don't pray for you and Phil and your daughter and your grandchildren, all those people. I pray for
them. But the reality is, why am I here? So that I can lift up people to the Lord
and God can move in their lives because He won't do it without me opening that door.
Some of you don't believe that and you may say, you're wrong about that. No,
He's waiting for the invitation from us to move forward because He gave the planet to us.
Yeah. Wow.
You know, and He's not going to go against what He said He did.
Yeah.
And so we've got to stay on the planet. And I know some of you say, but it's bad, it's terrible.
It's terrible. You know, we had a different president being printed. Some of the people out
there would say, oh no, we got to go to summit. You say, we got this president. Oh no. I'm thinking,
come on you guys. This is going to be a short lived time on the planet. It is going to be very,
the Bible says it's like a vapor.
Vapor, yeah.
You know, so we need to at least do what we can do in this short period of time so that others
could come and know Jesus. So that when we're all together in eternity together forever,
you know, we won't even be thinking about the moments we had on this planet.
Wow.
Me and my wife just got done. You heard of Corey Taboon.
Oh, sure.
You remember her?
Mm-hmm. Sure did.
And me and my wife just got done listening to her book and what she went through and
how we think like that, you know, and she's gone on to be with Jesus. But look at the impact.
She still has all people on the planet.
True.
And all the things she did right after the war and it helped the Germans people, you know,
the very people that persecuted her, she ended up being a life giver for them.
Hallelujah. That's wonderful.
Yeah.
I hope that answers the question though.
That was tremendous, tremendous answers to good questions and we appreciate that.
So before I ask you to close with prayer, I just want to remind everybody that we're
putting in the show notes, we're putting Dean's website and his Facebook page and his YouTube
channel and a place where you can get his books. And so please, please be sure that you are
getting what is available to you to help you in your walk with the Lord and be sure that you come
to our convention, Convention 2025, May 21st through 24th. Dean is going to be one of our speakers
and we're going to have another question and answer session with him there. If you've enjoyed
this question and answer session, I'm sure you're going to enjoy that one as well. And in person,
that'll be really wonderful. So Dean, would you just, would you pray for our listeners before we
close?
Father, I thank you for each and every person that's listening right now. That's a good thing
about it, Lord. You just don't know them by face, but you also know them by name. And as Sharon
has shared and talked about how important name is, you've given them a name that's an eternal name,
Father. And I thank you for that Father. When you speak to them, I know you speak their name.
And I love it because you said this, that nothing will come out of you that will return to you void
so that everything that you say will accomplish what it's supposed to. So as you're speaking their
name, which is really their purpose on this planet, they're being propelled to go forward
to fulfill that purpose. So Father, I thank you for that right now. I thank you Father for
sharing and feeling and what you're doing in their lives, you know, and the responsibility
that you've given them on this planet to spread your word, not just to Arkansas or where they live,
not just to the United States, but around the world. I thank you for their passion and their love
for people and that they care. I thank you Father that you're taking care of their family
as they are doing what they're doing, that you're taking care of their daughter and their
grandchildren Lord and all those that are connected to their daughter and their grandchildren. Lord,
I thank you for that. I thank you for the many people that have been blessed by the global
outpouring. Lord, touch them personally even right now. Everybody that's ever been blessed by this
ministry over the years, touch them right now. Just touch them. You know, whatever is their need
or even what their wants are, just touch them in the name of Jesus. And Father, I just say to those
out there right now that are listening that don't know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior,
all you need to do is ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins. That's things that you've done wrong
that is outside of His will. To ask Him to come into your life, that means to be Lord of your life,
to be a part of your life, to have an influence in your life. And He will. That simple and He'll do
it. And your lives will be changed. Thank you Father. I thank you Father that you have chosen
many of them already. Yes Lord. And all they have to do is choose you. I thank you in Jesus name.
Amen. Amen.
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