It is very important that people realize how strong that really is to bring that serving
attitude within worship.
How can I serve you, Lord?
How can I serve in the music here?
It's a different thinking than just singing.
How can I serve Him in this moment?
If that atmosphere is there, Sharon, I believe healings would take place more.
I believe people's lives would be changed in a greater way because we're really in there
with this attitude of serving.
God promises in Joel 2, 28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity.
Welcome to Global Outpouring.
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I'm Philip Bus.
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Welcome to the podcast today.
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Thank you so much, Dean, for being with us again.
We always appreciate having these opportunities to interview with you and share things that
the Lord has done with you in your experience in going to heaven for an hour and 45 minutes
when your body was dead and you were very much alive in the presence of the Lord.
This is just such a treasure to us to get to talk about things that you have a little
deeper understanding of reality because what's in heaven is the reality, the real reality.
What's in the spirit is the real reality.
And the things that we see on the planet and in our flesh are not so much.
But I want to spin off of the last interview that we did with you about service.
And I'm remembering in your book, Deep Worship in Heaven, where you talk about when you were
giving your sound of worship, your song that the Holy Spirit brought up inside of you to
offer to the Lord, that as it was going towards the throne, there were things around you that
began to interact with your song to really, it was a serving to you, I think, from what
I picture as I read this, like the waters and the colors.
Can you describe that for us and help us to understand how that is also serving where
we enhance each other's worship?
You know, I'm glad you brought that up.
And it's great to be with you and Phil on this podcast again.
Like I said, I always try to, before I get into that, to just let people know that I'm
an evangelist.
My major goal is to go out and get people to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
But with you and Global Outpouring, my goal is to teach some of the things I experience
with the Father in Jesus in Heaven.
And that is not the area that God has really focused me on in a lot of areas, but for whatever
reason, who knows why.
God does.
Global Outpouring is I'm supposed to teach and open up doors to be able to share some
of the things that I experience from more of a teaching area than just me going out
and getting people to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
And you're bringing up this subject, you know, we just got done talking about servanthood
and how important it was in Heaven.
And one of the first things you say to each other is how can I serve you when you meet
each other?
And I didn't say this in the last session, but I'll say it here.
That's even with the trees.
Oh, cool.
That's even with the other creations of God.
That's not just us that are redeemed or humans on the planet that got to go to Heaven.
That's with everything and every angel, you know, and ministering angels, they're looking
to serve.
And it helps us to be complete by serving each other.
Amen.
You know, one time one person asked me, he said, well, if we're complete, then how come
we got to say the word, how can I serve you?
Well, not understanding that the fullness of our completion is serving each other.
Yes, and I mean, and so just going from there.
But in uniqueness of one of the areas that I experienced there, it was the see that when
we were coming around the throne of God, as you know, deep worship, I tried to really
describe the best way I can of what it was like to come around the throne of God and
tell our Father how much we love Him.
And I like to say it that way because that's how we were doing is really telling our Father
how much we love Him.
We were doing it in song, we were doing it in dancing, we're doing it in every action
you could imagine.
Many times when I go out and I do this training or this teaching on this, I try to get people
to use more than just their mouths to tell the Father that they love Him, you know, or
even to do things outside of their boundaries that they're used to so that they can express
that love to the Father and they're in heaven.
And so what you're talking about that really got me was not only were we enhanced to be
able to express ourselves, but it was like everyone was there to help everyone to express
themselves more.
Beautiful.
Even in that time of worshiping God, still we were serving each other and the creation
was there serving.
I think one of the ones you were talking about the water, but one of my favorite was that
the colors were coming down from the throne and literally escorting my praise back to
the Father.
Oh, that's beautiful.
The colors.
And the best way for me to describe it was like they were like notes.
They weren't really notes, you know, like you see notes on the sheet of paper.
And maybe in my mind that's the best way I could do it on the earth is describe what
I saw look like notes.
But they weren't really notes, but they would literally come and literally as my praise
was going back to the Father, going up to the Father rather, they would dance with my
praise to up to the Father.
And then when they when the praise would get to the Father and go inside of the Father,
they would break off and come back down and grab more.
But they weren't just doing mine.
They were doing everybody's around that anybody that was singing.
It wasn't just the redeemed that were singing.
You got to remember there were angels that were singing.
There were trees that were waving.
There were everything was praising the Father.
And so everything was in it.
One of the things I like what you just said, because this was really the mountains would
raise up and literally help other things praise the Lord by raising up.
The ground would even come up and be a mountain that wasn't a mountain before, right?
It wasn't a mountain.
Yeah.
And I just remember things lifting things up, the atmosphere would lift things up and
literally praise the Lord.
And that lifting was praising the Lord.
Yes.
You understand what I mean?
It wasn't just the item that was being lifted.
It was the lifting, the motion to do that with praising the Lord.
It'd be like in I've seen it sometimes in mainly in ballets where the person that's
dancing all of a sudden is kind of like tossed up and the person has them way up in the air
like that.
And you would think, well, the beauty is the person up in the air.
No, it's the one holding the person up is also getting credit for doing that.
And that's what was taking place that really got me.
So the serving of doing that timeframe of when it was worship, I've never seen that
before.
I never think we think that we are maybe, you know, sometimes you guys are musical people
and maybe when you're playing an instrument and someone's playing that instrument and
all of a sudden you decide, well, I'm going to do this because that's going to enhance
what they just did.
Yes.
You understand what I'm talking about?
Yes, like Philip does.
That would be serving at that time to make that music even more pleasing to the Lord
because of what the person did.
Or someone's singing and maybe they're harmonizing and sometimes people that are harmonizing,
one person has a stronger voice than the other people, you know, and yet the people behind
are really serving their voice that just left because with their voice.
So it's happening.
I don't know if we purposely think about it in the sense of serving though.
And I wonder what would happen and someone out there in the music field, listen to what
I'm just saying, if they really looked at it as I'm serving to make that music better
and God is pleased with it, what would really happen?
I think we're missing things because I go and I'm singing and you guys are singing too.
We're singing a song and we're thinking about the words and we're thinking about how beautiful
it is.
But I don't never really think, well, my words are serving the next person next to me.
Yeah.
You know, you hear what I'm saying?
I do.
Because you really are serving your voice is literally enhancing the voice that's next
to you.
Yes.
Is that cool?
That is so cool.
And I really feel like we're coming to the threshold of revelation to help us to come
into a deeper experience in the Lord, a deeper worship, a deeper understanding of the reality
of what it is.
Is there something Sharon that you could think of because you always think about the Hebrew
aspect of the Israelites and how they were, I'm thinking of certain times when Psalms
or I'm not saying the scripture, but you know, what comes to it is Marian.
Was it Marian that was Moses?
Yeah, Marian played the tambourine.
Tambourine.
When they came across the Red Sea and she was giving praise, something inside of me
just tells me there is more in that than just she playing the tambourine and serving.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
And I believe if we could go back to that story and even tease it out, we would see
things that we didn't see if we'd look at it as she is praising God, but in her praise,
there is a servant portion of it that's also taking place for the Israelite people at that
moment.
Yeah.
And it's not just the mucus being played or the tambourines are being vane.
It is also an underlying of the children of Israel that she is really serving them at
that moment with her music.
It just came to me.
Yeah.
And I never really thought about it.
Yeah.
I'm thinking of all the people that are dancing with her.
Right.
And they've just seen the most incredible thing.
I mean, they saw all kinds of miracles, but this was for their skin, for their life.
There's a difference there.
Yeah, absolutely.
And what I'm seeing is as you're seeing this, I've pulled it up in my Amplified Classic
Bible Exodus 15.
It says in verse 20 and 21, then Miriam, the prophetess.
Now before this, Moses is singing this song of triumph.
He is making declarations.
He's singing a song of triumph and Miriam responds.
Okay.
So Miriam is adding to what Moses has just done.
She is adding her two cents worth, so to speak.
It says Miriam, the prophetess, the sister of Aaron took a timbrel in her hand or tambourine
and all the women went out after her with timbrels and dancing.
So it's adding one thing gets added to the next.
It gets bigger.
And they're dancing and verse 21 says, and Miriam responded to them, sing to the Lord
for he's triumphed gloriously and is highly exalted.
The horse and his rider he has thrown into the sea.
They are expressing what God has done and we don't do it enough.
We just don't celebrate.
And we did a podcast about not celebrating Jesus enough a few podcasts back, but they
were adding celebration on top of celebration on top of celebration.
And when we see something happen that God has done as we add to each other's point of
view, when you look at something, when I look at something, when Philip looks at something,
when our listener looks at something, we are all looking at it from a slightly different
viewpoint.
Yeah.
And with our own eyes and with our own voice, with our own words, we are giving something
that nobody else can give.
Yeah.
And adding to that, these are the things that you talk about heaven is like, you know?
Yeah.
Well, you just said something I thought was really cool because I could visualize this
as those ladies were coming, they were coming to enhance what was already there and literally
to serve.
Yes.
So when I went to New Zealand and I was with the Maori people, one of the things that I
was taught by some of the Maori people there is that wherever we went, we were greeted
in and we always had to say something.
And then it was followed up with a song and they believe that song was helping those words
literally rise up to heaven.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
That song literally was serving the message that was just giving to rise it up.
And I see this with this Marian situation that all of a sudden she gets excited and
she starts moving.
She didn't organize a campaign to get it going.
She didn't say, we're all going to go over here.
And then somebody else says, well, I'm going to serve.
I'm going to enhance it and I'm going to enhance it.
I say personally, by what we're saying, that's how most revivals start.
Most revivals, I believe, start with someone else coming to serve the person that just
started.
And then someone else coming to serve that person and someone else coming to serve that
person.
So they're almost connected together.
Because of the connection together, you get a revival.
Wow.
Praise God.
Amen.
Yes, absolutely.
Wow.
And that's really good because I really believe then we would see more revivals if people
went in there with the attitude on coming to serve or enhance what's taking place, not
take over.
Do you understand what I mean?
Exactly.
But to connect what was going on and say, how can I serve in this area?
What can I do to enhance this?
And it may be so small.
It may not be as big as we think it should be.
But that little bit will enhance it.
We saw that when we were teaching at your place.
Remember when we taught deep worship there?
Yes.
Okay.
And you and I both felt it and we even said it, okay, when one person would literally
go outside their box to worship God, it pushed the rest of us up.
Remember that?
Yes.
You could literally feel the atmosphere change because so-and-so didn't do this before this
way.
They're doing this and because they're doing this, the rest of us went up.
And all you can do is keep on going up.
Yeah.
If people keep on adding their piece in there because now you went up and then all of a
sudden, I'm going to do this and we're going to go up again and so on.
That's going to do it and we're going to go up again.
And what I mean by that, the glory of God, glory of God just cut.
I hate to say coming down, we're going to it.
I know people like to say come down and it's like, I would rather go up where the glory
of God is.
Glory of God cut down.
And I could see that happening.
Another story that comes to mind that we may want to look at, here we got Mary and after
she meets with Elizabeth and then she sings.
And I really believe at that moment, just what I'm seeing is she's serving in a way
with her music.
And guess who's being served, Elizabeth and John the Baptist.
That's right.
And in her womb is Jesus Christ.
Yes.
Do you understand what I'm talking about?
And so Jesus Christ is inside of her.
Look at this enhancement.
They're literally setting up John the Baptist to be able to do what John the Baptist is
doing by singing the song and lifting.
Even though she says she's singing about what's going on with her, it's lifting John the,
because John had to go before her.
That's right.
Before Jesus.
I don't know about you guys, but that's exciting.
Yeah, absolutely.
That is super spiritual.
We talk about spiritual things.
That's spiritual things.
Yeah.
I'm looking forward now to being in a worship service and just watching this process.
Right.
You know?
One thing added to the next.
We're watching how God does and how someone does and who's singing and things like that.
And someone gets out there and dance, but they don't realize they just pushed it out.
What we'll do sometimes is as that is moving in that direction, we'll kind of squash it.
You know what I mean?
Or push it down because, you know, and I'm not saying the words shouldn't be spoken,
but I think sometimes God wants us to go ahead with this and then speak the word.
Does that make sense to you?
Yes.
And bring it into that.
Because what we do is we kind of bring it down and then we speak the word because we
got announcements offering.
And we code it and say, this is part of worship too.
But most people not feeling it.
You know what I mean?
Mentally we got it, but spiritually we're kind of, and I think sometimes we should let
it go right into the message.
I think it should go right into the message and let the message really be the worship
of, Oh man, I don't know about you guys.
I'm getting excited about it.
What would it look like if we would tell everyone before we start to worship now when you feel
the unction to do so come and bring your offering while you're worshiping and just keep on what
would that look like?
Oh, that would be good.
That would be good.
We'll have to remember that.
I pray that someone, this is an answer for them.
They've been saying to the Lord and when they listen to this podcast, they're going to say,
that's what I need to start doing with my service.
When you feel like it's time for you to give the offering to come and give it.
And do that for whatever season God is telling them.
I wouldn't say season because sometimes we get religious on this stuff.
But the season that God is telling someone because they're trying to break out, I just
feel like someone's trying to break out of the routine and bringing their congregation
to another level where I call expansion and God is saying, this is the way to open up
the door for that expansion to take place.
Beautiful.
And it's more than one church.
It's a lot of churches throughout the United States and around the world.
Yes.
Okay.
Somebody, this is your answer.
Don't go back and look and try to find another one.
This is your answer.
Yes.
Amen.
It's about enhancing.
Yeah.
Enhancing.
I know the Bible and the scriptures about enhancing, but I feel like there's so much
that we do that we do by rote.
We do it because we've been taught to.
We've been doing it by tradition.
The Bible says to do it, so we do it, but we don't have the revelation.
We're not doing it by revelation.
We're not doing it by the depth of our love in response to the Lord.
When you're teaching your children how to do things, you're teaching your children the
word and you teach them by rote and eventually they might get the revelation of the reality
that's behind it.
But so much of it, I feel like we never have gotten to the place of revelation.
Well, let me just say it this way.
I grew up in denominational churches.
My dad was reformed, Dutch reform.
My mom was Baptist, so I attended both of those kind of services.
And you do things by rote.
There's a traditional way.
Here's you do this, you do this, you do this, you do this.
Follow the bulletin.
Yeah.
But as we became Spirit-filled and started attending Charismatic services, started attending
Pentecostal services, I began getting revelation because I became Spirit-filled.
So even when we were going to the Methodist church, since Philip and I have been married
and both of us Spirit-filled and we felt led of the Lord to serve in this little Methodist
church in our town.
But singing those same old songs that we sang when we were kids, all of a sudden, because
now I have the Holy Spirit, the revelation is on those songs, those hymns.
I mean, they still have life in them.
They were born in the fire.
Many of them were, and the fire is still there if we'll just catch the revelation.
And as we get this revelation in the Spirit, in the Spirit, we begin to enhance what was
there from the beginning when they were initially given in the fire.
And we begin to start the fire all over again.
It started it in me singing those hymns again.
It started that fire in me to express for myself.
I'm adding my enhancement to what John Wesley wrote or whatever.
I think we are really able to enhance things daily, all the time.
We're serving in that way.
We're serving eternity every time we do on earth as it is in heaven.
And that's why I feel it's so important that we interview you from time to time so that
we can get a greater grasp of how it is in heaven so we can start doing it on earth to
answer that prayer that we've been praying for centuries, millennia.
And I think you hit on that in the sense of the servanthood piece or the serving and bringing
that into our worship.
It is worship.
One of the litrule is one of the words that I use, which is a Greek word, and when I'm
teaching this, and it's really a servant.
That's all it is.
It's really serving.
Okay?
And it's very important that people realize how strong that really is to bring that serving
attitude within worship.
How can I serve you?
How can I serve you, Lord?
How can I serve in the music here?
It's a different thinking than just, I'm just singing.
Yeah, I love the Lord and He's important to me, but how can I serve Him in this moment?
Right.
And I don't think everybody's going to have that probably in there, but if that's in there,
if that atmosphere is there, Sharon, I believe healings would take place more.
I believe people's lives would be changed in a greater way because we're really in there
with this attitude of serving.
What does that do?
That opens up the atmosphere for serving to take place inside of the worship.
You can call it the glory of God, but whatever you want to call it, it's going to serve.
I've asked the Lord recently that when I'm ministering and I'm sharing about going to
heaven, and I've had it happen, but I said, Lord, I want to see more healings take place
when I'm just talking about heaven.
Not that people don't come up and get prayed for, but I just want to see them take place
within the people that are out there.
Yes.
Well, that way Jesus gets all the glory.
He gets all the glory.
All the glory.
Yeah.
I never really think about that, Sharon, to be honest with you.
I'm thinking about from the people's point of view.
If you pray for them, they're more likely to look at you.
Yeah.
For me, I just need to do it.
You know what I mean?
It has nothing to do with me as much, and I don't even like thinking about that.
I think that serving, it just means doing it.
Now, people could say I did it.
I'm going to keep on walking forward like, man, I didn't do it, but I'm going to go forward.
People sometimes, you've seen it, people sometimes try to force me to take credit for things.
You put your body in it.
You did this, you did that, and I'm thinking my reasonable service.
That's what I'm thinking.
Being kind, I say thank you.
Yes, exactly.
Does that make sense to you?
Yes, yes, yes.
In reality, I'm thinking that's just my reasonable service.
I get to go to heaven anyway, and I get that pleasure of being with my Father in Jesus
forever, whether you think I did a good thing or not.
That's how I think.
Okay, and the reality of things.
That doesn't want to boost me up.
It doesn't matter.
I still get to be with the Father.
The greatest thing that I could be is to be with the Father in Jesus forever, with the
Holy Spirit residing on the inside of me.
There's nothing greater than that.
That's why the 24 elders, when they got their crowns, they threw them down at the feet of
Jesus.
All these rewards that people think they're going to enjoy, none of them are going to
be even comparable to Jesus.
I mean, you're not even going to have the attitude to want to say that this something
you did was great, and that's why.
You're going to have the pureness that I'm with the Father in Jesus forever.
You're not even going to have the attitude, well, you did this and that's why I'm so grateful.
You're just going to be glad you're there.
And all that God has done for you is not going to be a reason why you want to be there.
Right.
I'm reminded of that scripture in Genesis where God says to Abraham, I am your exceeding
great reward.
Beautiful.
And I'm glad you brought it, because he is, he just is, and it's hard to sometimes express
that in the English language.
I bet that in the Hebrew there's something that says it, you know, very personal and
loving.
Does that make sense to you?
Yeah.
I think there's some things that we lost over time because we've gotten farther away from
those things.
And I'm not talking about when Jesus Christ walked the planet.
I'm talking about when God first made Adam and Eve back in the day.
Okay.
And as time has gone on, we've walked away from them and they're still there and God
still expects us to express them.
You know what I mean?
Sometimes people don't, but the reality of it is just being with Him.
Just being with Him, you know, and the English words to say it is just hard, but it's just
being with Him.
Just being with Him.
Well, the thing is, His very name, Yehovah, it means He who was, He who is, and He who
always will be what He is.
It's all about existence.
His name is existence.
There is no being that bees, that's bad English, but there is no being that is, that is without
Him.
He is existence.
There is no existence.
There is no life without Him.
There's no existence without Him.
So you know, coming home to Him is everything.
And living with Him here on the planet is everything.
And the more we get the idea of every single thing that I do, every breath that I breathe,
I am doing it because I'm related to Him.
He loves me.
I love Him.
It's all about being connected.
It's all about relationship.
The other thing I think also with what you just said there is the privilege of serving
Him.
I keep on bringing that back because we start out with that.
And I really believe that even me saying it to you, it's a key to a lot of doors opening
in a lot of areas and sense of our lives here on the planet.
You know, how can you and Phil best serve Him now?
That's what it's all about.
You know, where global outpouring is going to go, what direction is really, how can we
serve you with this Lord?
And He'll tell you how to serve Him with what you have.
He's given it.
He built it.
He put it together.
He knows how the best use global outpouring to serve Him now at this time period in this
generation.
And Gwen and others that have put this together, you know, I go back to when Mary sung that
song and uplifted was John the Baptist and Elizabeth.
Well I believe that Gwen and them sung a song and what's uplifted is global outpouring.
Do you understand what I mean?
It was pushed up by them to what now, because it served in what it was supposed to do at
that moment.
Now it's got a greater service on the planet.
Yes.
You know, and I don't know if it looks like it did before or not.
I just know that it's going to be greater than what it was.
Yes.
Because of what they have sung already.
And those songs, remember their eternity.
They do not die.
That song is still going around.
Amen.
Is that good news?
It is wonderful good news.
But one one time Sister Gwen, our founder was in a some kind of a conference with and Bob
Jones was also a speaker and they were walking down the hall and he was behind her and you
know they each had people around him talking as I as I understand it.
And he called out to her.
He said, Sister Gwen, you have nothing to worry about.
Your ceiling is going to be your handmaiden's dancing floor.
No, we're full of expectation of what the Lord wants to do.
Yeah.
And and absolutely we are just here to serve.
I mean, the original name of this ministry was end time handmaidens and servants.
Well, handmaidens and servants.
That's that's all about serving.
Come on.
So so the the global outpouring, it's it's founded on service.
It always has.
Yeah.
It's about serving the Lord and being used by him in the way that he wants to do, you
know, just pouring his spirit on us so that we can do what he's designed us to do.
Well, I really believe this is leading into that area.
As you go forward, as Phil goes forward with what God is directing you guys to do, I see
personally that the ground is going to be even more solid than it's ever been before.
Glory to God.
You know, where are you going to step is going to be more solid than it was before.
And so I am excited.
Oh, man, I just see a lot.
God is opening up a whole lot with the global outpouring, which you just pray for our listeners,
Father, in the name of Jesus, thank you for these moments that you've given us to be able
to walk in this, as Sharon said, revelation, this revelation of servanthood and worship.
There's more that could be done here.
There's more that could be said.
There's more that you want to open up for those that are listening.
But Father, in the name of Jesus, even global outpouring and oh, man, Lord, I see it.
It is exploding.
What I see is a volcano exploding, but not with lava, but with light.
Light is flowing out of this light, light, light, light.
Thank you, Jesus.
And it's pouring over the volcano or the mountain, but it's running through, wow, it's running
through the towns.
It's running all over.
Wow, that's a lot of light, Lord.
That's a lot of light.
Thank you, Jesus.
Give Sharon and Phil the wisdom on what to do and how to do it.
Yes, Lord.
And anybody else out there that has gotten a new vision, a new revelation on what to
do because of this, Lord, just open the doors for them.
Thank you, Father.
And give them the strength, the physical strength and the emotional strength and the spiritual
strength to be able to do this in Jesus' name.
Amen.
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