1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,740 I was just so distraught. 2 00:00:01,740 --> 00:00:03,380 And I shook my fist at God. 3 00:00:03,380 --> 00:00:04,380 That's the way I call it. 4 00:00:04,380 --> 00:00:05,380 I was angry. 5 00:00:05,380 --> 00:00:07,840 I said, how come he couldn't protect my son? 6 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,300 And I remember asking God, I said, why my son? 7 00:00:11,300 --> 00:00:23,360 And I heard a still voice say, why my son? 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:29,420 God promises in Joel 2, 28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity. 9 00:00:29,420 --> 00:00:33,680 Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend for that promised outpouring. 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:39,480 We equip for that outpouring so that we may engage in that very outpouring. 11 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:40,720 I'm Philip Bus. 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,240 And I'm Sharon Bus. 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,960 Welcome to the podcast today. 14 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:49,040 We have a wonderful follow-up from last week's episode. 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:56,480 Only this time we have with us Phyllis Cameron, and she is going to share testimonies of what 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:10,400 the Lord has done in her life in terms of breaking through and contending in praise. 17 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,040 Thank you so much for joining us today. 18 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:17,840 We are so delighted that you have tuned in and we have a wonderful podcast ahead that 19 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,360 you're going to really be blessed by and really gain some strength. 20 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:28,120 You're going to gain something that you can work with for contending, contending for the 21 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:34,480 outpouring, contending for God's purposes in your life, contending for the things that 22 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:40,320 He's put on your heart, the promises that He's given you, even in disappointments, you're 23 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:42,620 going to find that He is there. 24 00:01:42,620 --> 00:01:47,080 But before we get started, I want to encourage you, if you haven't already done so, to go 25 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:53,200 to our website, globaloutpouring.net, and make sure that you have subscribed to our 26 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,960 email list so that we can stay in touch with you. 27 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,520 And we would love to hear from you if you want to send us some feedback. 28 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,920 There's a feedback form on that website, globaloutpouring.net. 29 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:09,460 And you can also email us at feedback at globaloutpouring.org. 30 00:02:09,460 --> 00:02:12,640 And while you're on our website, you can look at our bookstore. 31 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:14,520 It's got some amazing things in it. 32 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:15,520 Look at our blogs. 33 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,440 We've been writing things for a long time that might help you to grow. 34 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:26,720 We want to help equip you so that you can participate in this outpouring as it is growing, 35 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,280 as it is coming from the Lord on all flesh. 36 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:31,280 It's coming. 37 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,280 It's coming. 38 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,440 It's coming bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. 39 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,880 It's already here in some degree, but it's getting bigger. 40 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,940 And we are contending for that. 41 00:02:40,940 --> 00:02:46,520 And we're going to talk some more today about contending in praise with our guest, Phyllis 42 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:47,520 Cameron. 43 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,840 Phyllis, thank you so much for joining us. 44 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,520 We're so grateful that you're with us. 45 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:57,360 I am so blessed to be here with you to share what God has done through me in completing 46 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:58,360 us. 47 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,360 Yes. 48 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:00,360 Amen. 49 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,360 Amen. 50 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,360 And we love having you with us at our conventions. 51 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:09,080 We just had a convention recently and you were with us and you're an amazing musician. 52 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,240 When did you start your musical training or your musical activity? 53 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,960 Well, I started when I was nine. 54 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:21,000 In fact, okay, my landmark is when I was nine years old, I played Christ the Lord is Risen 55 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,920 Today on Easter Sunday. 56 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:23,920 Wow. 57 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:24,920 Nine years old. 58 00:03:24,920 --> 00:03:29,000 Through all the tears and the wet keys, I was so shy. 59 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,000 So shy. 60 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,000 I was so shy. 61 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:40,000 And it just bloomed into something that took me to schools and churches and concerts and 62 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,280 all kinds of things all over the country. 63 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:44,920 So you're an accomplished pianist. 64 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:45,920 Yes. 65 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,660 My training, actually I had a personal teacher. 66 00:03:48,660 --> 00:03:51,560 From there I went to Southern Connecticut State University. 67 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,520 I majored in special education, but my minor was music. 68 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:01,200 But then when I came to Michigan, I studied at both piano and organ at Tyndale College 69 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,720 and Wayne State University. 70 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,800 And I got scholarships. 71 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:11,300 And so being trained first in church and then as a classical musician. 72 00:04:11,300 --> 00:04:16,560 So I go through all of the box and all of the music that we had to. 73 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:22,040 And so at Tyndale College, which is a Christian college, I studied music as I got a major 74 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,260 in piano performance. 75 00:04:24,260 --> 00:04:25,640 So that was sound. 76 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,480 And that opened up a lot of doors, being able to read music as well as being able to pick 77 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,000 up music by ear and write music. 78 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Amen. 79 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,560 And you play a mean organ too. 80 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,640 That's a Pentecostal church. 81 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:46,960 Yes, there's a certain sound that I love. 82 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,320 I love it when you just cut loose and bring that sound. 83 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:50,840 I haven't really cut loose yet. 84 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:51,840 You give me the okay. 85 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:52,840 I know. 86 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:54,800 I feel like you've been holding back on us. 87 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,440 I really want you to cut loose next time. 88 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:59,520 And there is a next time. 89 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:00,520 Let's just talk about it. 90 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:08,200 We are planning to have our convention 2025, which will actually be our 50th gathering, 91 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,320 our 50th annual gathering. 92 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:11,760 And that's very significant. 93 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,000 It's like a Jubilee. 94 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,560 And I had someone tell me recently and I kind of looked it up and it seems that there are 95 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,480 at least some scholars who interpret the, what do they call it? 96 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:24,680 The Essene calendar. 97 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:29,920 The Essene are the people that were in the community that created the Dead Sea Scrolls. 98 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,900 And they had their own calendar that is very unique. 99 00:05:33,900 --> 00:05:38,480 And according to their calendar and according to the scholars who are studying their calendar, 100 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:45,540 I'm not saying that this is that for sure, but there is some discussion that 2025 brings 101 00:05:45,540 --> 00:05:48,040 the beginning of the last Jubilee. 102 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,800 Oh, wow. 103 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,640 So that's pretty interesting. 104 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,960 Very, very, very interesting. 105 00:05:53,960 --> 00:06:00,120 So anyway, we're planning to have this convention May 22nd through 25th in St. Louis. 106 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,600 We're still working on exactly where it's going to be, but it'll be in the vicinity 107 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:09,360 as far as we know, it will be in the vicinity of the airport in St. Louis. 108 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:15,640 So we're hoping that everyone is going to get on board and join us for this. 109 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:20,120 So if you've never attended any of our events, this is going to be an easier one for you 110 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,000 to get to. 111 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:28,360 And we expect that Phyllis will be there and she's going to cut loose and really, really 112 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,960 give us who she is in the Keys. 113 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:37,240 I know that you're going to an event in Philadelphia soon. 114 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,160 And can you just tell us just a little bit about that? 115 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,960 Because I was intrigued when you were telling us about it when you were with us. 116 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,360 Well, yes, it's called the Convention of Gospel Choirs and Choruses. 117 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:55,520 The website is National Convention of Gospel Choirs and Choruses, NCCGC. 118 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:01,240 And they're in their 90th some odd year and it originated by the man who wrote Precious 119 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,880 Lord, Take My Hand, Thomas Dorsey. 120 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,640 And it's not the same as Tommy Dorsey of the big band. 121 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:08,640 No, no. 122 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:09,640 It's somebody else. 123 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,280 This is Thomas Dorsey, the African American man from Chicago. 124 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,280 Okay. 125 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,880 And he used to be a jazz blues man. 126 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:22,640 And his story is that what happened, he got the message that his wife had died and his 127 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,400 child in travel. 128 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,240 And that's how that song was birthed. 129 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:33,880 So when I was a teenager, I was playing in churches and we would go to a convention every 130 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,160 year that was held. 131 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,920 And this was African American. 132 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,080 It started out that way. 133 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,800 Churches, gospel music. 134 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,640 I mean, a lot of the gospel music we hear from the, you know, Wynons and all that, there's 135 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,360 so many names now. 136 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,840 It originated from there. 137 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,160 And we would write songs all week long. 138 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,800 We would bring songs and we would write them. 139 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:59,040 And people would come from different states and we would rehearse. 140 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:05,720 And there were also times that we would have ministers speaking, teaching soloist bureaus, 141 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,440 children ministry, and youth. 142 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:14,640 And then on Friday night, we would have this huge concert and it got so large that we had 143 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,840 to have it in the largest hotels. 144 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,560 In fact, it's still that way today. 145 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:20,560 Okay. 146 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:26,560 So the first week in August is when this will be convening in Philadelphia and they go from 147 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:27,560 state to state. 148 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:33,640 In fact, my son, who I'll talk about later, there's a video that they show on television 149 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,280 every year around black history time called Say Amen Somebody. 150 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:43,080 It is the story of Thomas Dorsey and my son, who I'll talk about later, there's a part 151 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,440 there where he's only, I think about two or three years old and he was always a drummer 152 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,480 that he was playing drums at too. 153 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:55,520 And he came up to Thomas Dorsey and Thomas Dorsey and the lady that worked with him, 154 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,680 they were talking to him and I captured, it's on video now. 155 00:08:58,680 --> 00:08:59,680 It's all on video. 156 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:00,680 Sweet. 157 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:01,680 Yeah. 158 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:02,680 So that's what we're planning to go. 159 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:03,680 Yes. 160 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:04,680 Beautiful. 161 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:05,680 Beautiful. 162 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:10,440 So while we're discussing this, you mentioned something about a large choir that you were 163 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:11,440 conducting. 164 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:12,720 How large was that choir? 165 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,120 Well, there was a song that I wrote. 166 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:20,640 Okay, the choir at that particular time, now things have changed a lot and I think the 167 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,760 choir is down to like three to 500 people. 168 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:25,760 Down to? 169 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:26,760 Yes. 170 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:33,320 Yeah, because they held it in Detroit and I was here in Detroit and the choir was only 171 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,480 about 350, but they had different choirs. 172 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,120 They had choirs, there were youth choirs, mass choirs. 173 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,160 So I wrote a song, 82, called Promises. 174 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,720 It's on sheet music. 175 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:51,520 People have used it from London, England, because it's traveled now in the islands. 176 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,760 And the name of that song is called Promises. 177 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,920 And actually that's the prophetic word that God gave me, not knowing what I was going 178 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:57,920 to face later. 179 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:58,920 Oh, wow. 180 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,840 That word, Promises, so we write the sheet music out and then we distribute and people 181 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:04,840 would buy it. 182 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,800 I think that at that time my song, Promises, was a dollar for the sheet music. 183 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,760 Yeah, back in the day when sheet music was inexpensive. 184 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:13,760 Exactly. 185 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,120 So, you know, everybody bought it because they were becoming a part of the workshop 186 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,800 and they wanted to sing in the choir and we taught it. 187 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:24,680 So that particular choir on that Friday night, and they would do what they call march in. 188 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:31,280 They would play music and they would march in and fill up that whole front of the hotel. 189 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,400 And that night it was 800 voices. 190 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:39,360 And it was so many of them, I had to conduct it on top of a ladder. 191 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,360 So I had to step up a ladder. 192 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,760 Yeah, it was a sight to see. 193 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:54,120 So now Dr. Gentry is the president of the National Convention of Gospel Choirs and Choruses. 194 00:10:54,120 --> 00:11:00,400 And before her, it was Bishop Kenneth Moles, whom people know in African American churches, 195 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,600 wrote the song called the Yes Anthem. 196 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,880 Not the yes, yes, yes, yes. 197 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,520 And then they were going to this praise, praise, praise. 198 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,620 And so he took it over for many years and he and I worked together in Connecticut. 199 00:11:13,620 --> 00:11:19,260 And then before him was Thomas Dorsey, who was the founder of the convention. 200 00:11:19,260 --> 00:11:20,960 Still going on, very strong. 201 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,320 They'll be there from all over the world now. 202 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,280 Just in America, they've come from all over. 203 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:27,280 Yes. 204 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:28,280 Wow. 205 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:29,280 Shaking the rafters. 206 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:30,280 Oh, yes. 207 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:31,280 Oh, yes. 208 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:36,400 Remember, that's what praise does from what we talked about last week in the last episode. 209 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,720 Praise cuts through the darkness. 210 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:45,720 Praise drills holes in that dark atmosphere between us and heaven that's trying to keep 211 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,880 the glory from coming down. 212 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,480 And when we get our praise going up, it brings the glory down. 213 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:52,480 Yes, it does. 214 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:53,480 Hallelujah. 215 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:54,480 Yes, it does. 216 00:11:54,480 --> 00:12:02,240 So you have alluded to it, but let's go there right now about how you had a tragedy in your 217 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:07,660 life and the Lord gave you a key. 218 00:12:07,660 --> 00:12:12,480 So can you just tell us what happened and how long ago was this? 219 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:18,680 Well, actually, my son was born and by time he was nine months old, he was going into 220 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:21,200 the hospital for asthma. 221 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:28,360 By time he was five years old in Children's Hospital in Michigan, they had said by time 222 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,520 he was five years old, he had 100 hospitalizations. 223 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,800 Oh my goodness. 224 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:40,680 Not only 100 hospitalizations, I think by the time he was 13, he had been intubated 225 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:41,680 13 times. 226 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:42,680 Oh my goodness. 227 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:45,360 Atmos, he's on life support. 228 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:50,040 In fact, one of the life supports was the Lord had made a promise to me that he would 229 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,000 not die of asthma. 230 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,920 I stood on that word and I would pray. 231 00:12:53,920 --> 00:13:00,280 So that's what developed my prayer ministry or life because I would be in McDonald Houses, 232 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,080 Ronald McDonald Houses. 233 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:08,560 In fact, he stayed in Philadelphia in Children's Hospital for a year, in Denver Hospital for 234 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:12,600 a year, the University of Michigan for a year. 235 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:18,880 So I would travel and he would be on life support trying to get to the root of it, which 236 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,080 I know now this was spiritual. 237 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,000 That was a spiritual attack against him. 238 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Wow. 239 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,000 And what was his name? 240 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Jermaine. 241 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Jermaine. 242 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,820 Jermaine was also my drummer. 243 00:13:29,820 --> 00:13:35,680 When I would travel and play, he was so little because he had been pumped with so many steroids 244 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:38,280 from having asthma attacks. 245 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,800 It stunted his growth, the mess with his bones, the mess with his eyes. 246 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:48,280 But he had so much joy and he would play those drums and people would shout, talking about 247 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,280 praise. 248 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:50,800 He was the one would bring the praise in. 249 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:51,800 Wow. 250 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,480 So Jermaine was my firstborn. 251 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:56,840 I have three other sons. 252 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,600 They're doing very well in life, but Jermaine was my firstborn. 253 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:06,160 And he had asthma that bad that they just tried everything with him. 254 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,600 And so for years I prayed. 255 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:14,720 And so it was in 2004, he was attending a church with me playing drums. 256 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:20,800 In fact, I remember we went to this church and he received the baptism of the Holy Spirit 257 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,440 with speaking in tongues. 258 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,240 And not only that, but he was prophesying to me. 259 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,440 I was just sharing the word about how the last thing he spoke to me was through Luke 260 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:31,440 18. 261 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,880 He said, Mom, be like the unrighteous judge. 262 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,720 And the lady that kept on bugging him never stopped praying until he avenged his elect. 263 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,400 And he was just preaching to me. 264 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,360 It was during that time in 2004, he says, I want to have my own apartment. 265 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,520 And he left for me and he went- 266 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:49,520 How old was he? 267 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:50,520 Yeah, how old was he? 268 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:51,520 Okay. 269 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:52,520 So he was 27. 270 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:53,520 Oh, okay. 271 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Okay. 272 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,280 So I jumped to make the story quick because all the hospitalizations and things, in fact, 273 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,520 the Detroit newspaper did a story on him when he was in Philadelphia in the hospital, front 274 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,960 page color newspaper, reporters came to me and they said, how is he surviving this? 275 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,360 And I told him it was prayer. 276 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:09,360 Yeah. 277 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:10,360 13 times on life support. 278 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,520 And I have this, a newspaper article on it still with me. 279 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:14,520 Wow. 280 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:19,040 So I mean, in fact, someone came from Australia and did an audio interview with me when they 281 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:20,600 saw the story. 282 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:27,320 So one time Jermaine literally had a, he was not breathing and we were at the elevator 283 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,040 and the elevator wouldn't come down and they're pumping with a hand pump. 284 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,520 They're pumping to try to keep the air going in him. 285 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:39,200 So they're running upstairs to where they had better facility, pumping air in him. 286 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,320 Oh Lord. 287 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,200 So they said, listen, they're working on him in the room. 288 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,480 They came out and told me he's gone, let him go. 289 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:54,160 I said, I busted through there and I laid on him and I said, no, God told me, he promised 290 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,880 me he would not die of asthma. 291 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:56,880 Wow. 292 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,520 I must tell this story because I think it's very important. 293 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:00,520 People hear this. 294 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:01,520 Yes. 295 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:07,240 And so I prayed for him and I prayed for him and my husband was there at the time. 296 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,320 And then all of a sudden Jermaine, he was about 12. 297 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:16,200 He jumped back to us and some of the nurses were so scared they ran out the room. 298 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:24,280 When he came to, he said, mom, that boy was there real weak. 299 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,320 And I remember reading something when people come back, you have to give them water and 300 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,920 give them something to eat. 301 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,320 I remember that he was 12 years old. 302 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:33,720 And I said, so they did that. 303 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,840 And I said, Jermaine, what are you talking about? 304 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:42,320 He said, that boy, well see a boy around the corner from our home in Detroit had got shot 305 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:43,320 and killed. 306 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:51,720 And he said, people, Jermaine was saying people were falling, scratching and screaming in 307 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,740 this place where he saw. 308 00:16:54,740 --> 00:17:00,480 And that boy was there and the boy told him when he was out, go tell my mother, don't 309 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,880 come here. 310 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,240 For years, now he was 12, even up until he was in his 20s. 311 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,600 I said, Jermaine, did you go back and tell the boy about the vision or whatever you saw 312 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:18,220 when you was gone, that you saw people falling, scratching and screaming and the boy told 313 00:17:18,220 --> 00:17:22,160 you to tell his mother, don't come here? 314 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:27,200 I shared this in my testimonies, especially with children, young people who think it's 315 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,160 glamorous to be hanging out. 316 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,640 And I remember this one child asked me in a classroom, because I was talking about in 317 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,720 a Christian school that I was teaching at, oh, what about the scratching? 318 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:39,720 What about the scratching? 319 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,440 What does that mean? 320 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,600 And I didn't know at first, I went home and the Lord opened up a word that showed me about 321 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:50,400 a worm that does not die. 322 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,760 I came back and told them, because I could talk to Christian children like that. 323 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,520 But this was some of the experiences I had. 324 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:04,480 So in 2004, he said, Mom, I want to go back and get my own apartment. 325 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,920 And there was in the street where he was living, there was some kind of ruckus with somebody 326 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,360 was in disagreement with somebody else. 327 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:13,360 He didn't even know them. 328 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:20,640 These people came by and shot up like a drive by shooting and shot five people out of the 329 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,440 five people. 330 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,000 He was one of the three that died. 331 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,000 Wow. 332 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,000 Wow. 333 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:32,920 It was a long road to go through the court system. 334 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,960 I was telling Sister Sharon and Brother Philip about what happened when I went to two of 335 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,360 the court cases, how God's hand was in all of it. 336 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:47,640 So he passed June 29th, 2004. 337 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:53,560 In fact, it was just a couple of days after I went to see him in the hospital, because 338 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:59,120 he had an asthma attack and he was supposed to be at a concert with me. 339 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:05,200 I was doing a concert with two choirs, praise and worship. 340 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,480 And he was supposed to play, but he didn't show. 341 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:15,260 And I went to go see him and I anointed him, prayed for him. 342 00:19:15,260 --> 00:19:18,680 That was on a Sunday, yeah, because it was right after the service. 343 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:23,120 Monday, I got this call in the middle of the night. 344 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:29,680 Now at first, it was such a shock because I couldn't understand after all I went through 345 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:35,520 to keep him alive, how can this happen? 346 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:42,200 All of the near death experiences, all the traveling, all the... 347 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,400 I remember getting one of his hospital bills. 348 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,160 I just looked at it. 349 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,840 One was $100,000. 350 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,360 I said, I can't pay this. 351 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:51,240 I just put it down. 352 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:57,040 All the money that was spent to keep him alive and for that to happen. 353 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:02,880 Now through all of it, I was praying, I was leading praise and worship in churches and 354 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:08,320 I was teaching and God was able to sustain me through it. 355 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,880 But sometimes you don't realize how much God is keeping you and you're operating on another 356 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:14,880 level of... 357 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,480 When I look back at it, I said, that wasn't even natural, all that travel. 358 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,720 And I had two other children as well. 359 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:30,640 So when he passed, the news came to my house because it was such a big story in the city. 360 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:37,040 And so it was a newspaper and the funeral was just amazing because I knew so many churches 361 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:42,560 in the area and the church that I did the concert with, they came and they sang. 362 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,080 People were praising God. 363 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,640 Oh my God. 364 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,320 It was actually one big praise celebration. 365 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:54,640 One of the things I told them was, I heard the spirit of God say, I have him. 366 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:55,640 Hallelujah. 367 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,680 I got him. 368 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,880 And all that mattered was that God had his soul. 369 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:00,880 The flesh didn't matter. 370 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,880 Plus he was suffering so much. 371 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,840 In fact, the night he was passing, my son, Philip and I was going to get him to bring 372 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,280 him to another doctor's appointment because they thought they saw some kind of cancer. 373 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:17,920 He had weakened, his bones were weak from so much steroids and he kept breaking his 374 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:18,920 bones. 375 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,000 His eyes were popping. 376 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,000 He was so small. 377 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,880 He looked like the size of a maybe six-year-old from being hospitalized so much. 378 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,560 But you talk about with an infectious laugh. 379 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,820 I mean, anybody that was around him. 380 00:21:32,820 --> 00:21:36,160 So he drew a lot of people, a lot of young people. 381 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,480 In fact, I do want to share this and Sister Sharon, you can tell me when to move on from 382 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:45,280 this, but I had a dream and he was right there with me when I had the dream. 383 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,640 The dream was about a month. 384 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:54,360 In the dream was a huge auditorium and all these young people were there. 385 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:59,120 And there was a casket in the front of, I believe it was a church. 386 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:04,160 And the people would run down to the casket and touch it and run back. 387 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:09,280 Then a newspaper reporter came up to me and said, what do you think about this? 388 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,480 Well, I actually didn't know because I didn't see the person in the casket. 389 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,560 That was my son because that's exactly what happened. 390 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,200 I told people about the dream. 391 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,600 They say, yeah, but I didn't see the person in the casket. 392 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:28,560 And the interviewer was asking me about, what do you think about all these young people? 393 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,520 And there were a lot of young people because he affected so many young people in churches 394 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,640 with playing drums, with his beautiful personality. 395 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:41,520 I was very, very angry and very distraught and literally almost out of my mind. 396 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,880 All I told them, I just want you to please just bring me back to Connecticut. 397 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,360 That's where I'm originally from. 398 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:50,640 To the point I almost forgot about my youngest son, almost left him at the hospital after 399 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,400 I viewed his body. 400 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,800 I was just so distraught and I shook my fist at God. 401 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:56,800 That's the way I call it. 402 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:57,800 I was angry. 403 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,240 I said, how come you couldn't protect my son? 404 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,680 And I remember asking God, I said, why my son? 405 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,680 And I heard a still voice say, why my son? 406 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:14,360 I'll never forget that because that stopped me for a few days of grieving because it turned 407 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:16,040 my attention. 408 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,200 So that was what happened with Jermaine. 409 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,320 I know he's with the Lord. 410 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,440 I know without a doubt. 411 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,580 He accepted the Lord Jesus. 412 00:23:25,580 --> 00:23:28,480 He was filled with the baptism of the Holy Spirit. 413 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,720 The Lord allowed him to come and stay with me without being sick or anything like that 414 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,960 for a few months. 415 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,880 And then when he left, this thing happened. 416 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,600 And the Lord said, I have it. 417 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,280 So I asked God, I said, what am I going to do now? 418 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,280 What am I going to do? 419 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,560 I had no strength. 420 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,120 And it reminded me of the scripture he gave me in Psalms 137. 421 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:59,080 In Psalms 137, I felt just like these that were in captivity. 422 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:05,360 Psalms 136, by the rivers of Babylon, there we set ye we wept when we remembered Zion. 423 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:07,760 I felt like I was in Babylon. 424 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,200 In fact, people were so hurt by it. 425 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,200 They didn't know what to say. 426 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,800 And a lot of people just left me alone. 427 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:13,880 They didn't call. 428 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,040 It was just, it was weird. 429 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,600 No one called me. 430 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,600 No one came. 431 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,240 They kept and dropped things at my doorstep, but I was totally alone. 432 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:28,000 I don't know why people after the big funeral and all the people come, but then I think 433 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,640 they just didn't know what to say. 434 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:30,640 I think that's what it is. 435 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,720 People have no idea. 436 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,040 We heard that on a... 437 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,040 So then it says, by the rivers of Babylon there we set yet we wept when we remembered 438 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,040 Zion. 439 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,880 We hung up our harps upon the willows in the midst of it. 440 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,200 There those who carried us away captive. 441 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,600 And that's just the way I felt like I was captive in this. 442 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,640 In fact, I saw a bubble around me. 443 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,160 I believe it was a protective bubble when I was at the funeral. 444 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,640 People wouldn't come past a certain place with me. 445 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,000 They would stand afar and they'd say, I'm sorry. 446 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,000 It's like... 447 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,840 And I said, Lord, what was that? 448 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,000 And he says, like, if they would come to you and hug you, their grief would be transferred 449 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,000 to you. 450 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,040 So I just kept you like in this bubble. 451 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,040 That's interesting. 452 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,680 And so it says in verse three, for there those who carried us away captive asked of us a 453 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:19,560 song and those who plundered us requested mirth, saying, come on, sing us one of those 454 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,560 Zion songs. 455 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:27,880 But verse four said, how shall we sing the Lord's song in a foreign land? 456 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:28,880 And that's the way I felt like it. 457 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:29,880 Those Zion songs. 458 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,880 Yeah. 459 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,760 How can we sing Zion songs in a strange or foreign land? 460 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,280 And that's where I felt this land, I had never visited this kind of thing before. 461 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,000 Yes, my father passed, but this was something different. 462 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,640 And I felt like I was in captivity. 463 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,000 So that question came to me. 464 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,000 So what are you going to do now? 465 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,000 You're going to hang up your harp? 466 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,360 You're going to stop playing and worshiping? 467 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:57,600 And I said, Lord, how can I sing Zion songs in this strange land? 468 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,080 So I said, Lord, what shall I do? 469 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,200 He said, I want you to sing. 470 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,400 I want you to praise. 471 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,960 Where I was living at, there was a clubhouse and the lady opened it up to me that I was 472 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,200 able to go there, bring my keyboard. 473 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,400 And being a music teacher, I had all these different instruments, recorders, little drums 474 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,800 and sticks. 475 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,680 I got the children starting first with the children in the neighborhood. 476 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:27,280 And I would just worship and praise God until I threw my tears several months. 477 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,560 I didn't work for three years. 478 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:29,560 I just couldn't. 479 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:30,560 I just couldn't. 480 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,280 It was interesting because I was also minister of music at a church. 481 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,840 They released me. 482 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,720 I was music teacher at a Christian school. 483 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,720 They let me go. 484 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,680 It was just me, the Lord, my little worshipers. 485 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,280 And we just praised God until he brought other people. 486 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,240 And we just worshiped. 487 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,380 And we just, that's what healed me. 488 00:26:53,380 --> 00:27:00,160 That's what kept me that I'm able to exist today because I really did not want to live. 489 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,680 I had been through so much for 27 years. 490 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:12,120 He was 27 years old from the time he was born for 27 years, 100 times by time he was five, 491 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:13,600 13 life supports. 492 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:19,920 Philadelphia, Denver, Connecticut, Michigan, living in the hospital to travel. 493 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:20,920 Okay. 494 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,240 I can give an IV. 495 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,440 I can give EpiPens, machines. 496 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:25,440 Okay. 497 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,600 Because I had been dealing with it so much. 498 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,640 So I believe now as I sat back and looked at it, I said, Lord, you isolated me and you 499 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,120 took care of me yourself. 500 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,480 And so in fact, someone spoke that to me. 501 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,960 He said, the Lord will literally take care of you himself. 502 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,920 And he did send this one woman whom I'm ever indebted to. 503 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,920 She came to me. 504 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,960 She drove me to get groceries. 505 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,060 She came and she sat down and I'm still with her today. 506 00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:55,600 She just was there for me because she can see that look in my eye, like I don't want 507 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,600 to do anything. 508 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,920 She stuck with me, Kay Sousa. 509 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,520 I have to say her name because she's going to be celebrating with me with my birthday. 510 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,160 But there were others that were dropped by occasionally, but for the most part, the Lord 511 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,560 just kept me to himself until we gathered for praise. 512 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,960 And when we pray, I pray that gave glory to God and just glorified his name. 513 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,480 The main thing was I knew that God had him. 514 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,160 That was the only reason I could praise him. 515 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,440 And I said, Lord, not only do you have him, but no more suffering. 516 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,400 No more being hooked up to IVs. 517 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,000 No more me going up in the middle of the night when he's two and three and four years old 518 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:39,400 and see blood coming all because the IV he pulled out or somebody didn't take. 519 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,240 I said, no more of that. 520 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,600 No more. 521 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,400 Because I know for a fact there is life after this. 522 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:54,040 So when I resolve with that, no more suffering, God has got his soul and that's all that matters. 523 00:28:54,040 --> 00:29:00,120 And you're going to give him a new body, a new body, and you promise me I'm going to 524 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,120 see him again. 525 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,600 You promised me. 526 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,660 And I know that for a fact. 527 00:29:04,660 --> 00:29:05,960 So that was my story. 528 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:11,980 There's a whole lot more with it, but that was my story of much contending prior to his 529 00:29:11,980 --> 00:29:13,400 death in prayer. 530 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,080 People would pray because they knew churches, how sick he would be. 531 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,120 They would be in prayer with me. 532 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,120 Okay. 533 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,400 Take an authority over this asthma. 534 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,240 And I'm telling you, the thing that this asthma, I found that a lot of it comes from the spirit 535 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,640 of fear. 536 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,440 And now I'm able to identify it when I see it in children or adults. 537 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,440 Okay. 538 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,120 And I can go to the root and pray over it because I know, okay, where it's going to 539 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,120 weak lungs. 540 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,480 And so I gained a lot of experience going through that with him. 541 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,480 And I thank God. 542 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:53,000 I thank God now that I have now been able to contend in that area and identify with 543 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,880 those who have experienced the death of a loved one, especially when you've been living 544 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:03,000 with them for years, trying to bring them to recovery and then losing the child. 545 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,440 I have many young mothers and mothers that have lost children. 546 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,560 And I've had to minister to them. 547 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,560 Yes. 548 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,160 And you could minister out of your experience. 549 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:18,760 You know, so many times we don't see it while we're going through it. 550 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:24,720 But once we get to the other side of whatever it is that God takes us through, it gives 551 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,960 us authority to help others. 552 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,960 Absolutely. 553 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,200 So you're contending in prayer. 554 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,120 You're contending in praise and worship. 555 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,440 Really it brought life back to you. 556 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,280 When your son died, part of you died. 557 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,360 Oh yeah. 558 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,320 And not only me, but my other sons. 559 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,120 Even to this day, something happened just the other day with one of my sons. 560 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:52,080 He just went back there and he never got a chance to grieve. 561 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,080 And he sobbed. 562 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,600 I mean, he sobbed. 563 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,240 I had to hold him and he's like a grown man. 564 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,200 They still love their brother. 565 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,200 Absolutely. 566 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,200 And he just grieved. 567 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,000 I said, come on, get it out, get it out. 568 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,960 Because you were so young. 569 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,160 You don't remember. 570 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,600 But this was Michael. 571 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,320 He would draw pictures of him playing drums, Jermaine playing drums. 572 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,280 And he would talk about his brother. 573 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:19,400 Even on the day, a year later that he passed, we were in California going to see my other 574 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,800 son become a Marine drill instructor. 575 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:23,800 And we were in the airport. 576 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,840 And around the time he passed, this sounds unusual, but I didn't want to travel on that 577 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:29,840 day. 578 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,240 June 29th, there have been times when I was someplace and I just had to go home. 579 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,520 I didn't want to be around people. 580 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,360 Or his birthday was October 20th. 581 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,880 I didn't want to. 582 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,440 I had broken down in school, had to go to talk to the principal and say, I gotta go. 583 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,360 I've overcome all of that. 584 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:51,160 But on this day, little Michael must be about five, six years old. 585 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,280 He must have been going on six because it was a year later. 586 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,320 On the day that he got shot, he says, mommy, I smell Jermaine. 587 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,320 Do you smell Jermaine? 588 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,000 Oh, that's so sweet. 589 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,680 It was on June 29th and we were in the airport. 590 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,360 And Francisco leaving, I'm saying, oh my, his spirit was so strong. 591 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,160 Oh my God. 592 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,520 It was so strong. 593 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:20,800 I know that people have shared how their loved ones have come leaving their death. 594 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,720 But yes, we've had several of those experiences. 595 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,720 Beautiful. 596 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,960 You know, Dean Braxton talks about how we grieve because we were never meant to be separated. 597 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,960 Yes. 598 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,520 You know, it's sin that has caused death. 599 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,360 And you know, there wasn't any death before sin. 600 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:46,600 So you know, it's just part of this broken planet and broken mankind that causes grief. 601 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,720 It causes death. 602 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,000 Sin causes death. 603 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,040 We know that from the scripture. 604 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,120 And death causes grief. 605 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,060 And we were never meant to have death. 606 00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:59,240 We were never meant to have sin rule. 607 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:05,080 Thank God for Jesus Christ who redeems us and makes it possible for us to be reunited 608 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,080 forever. 609 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,080 Amen. 610 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,080 Hallelujah. 611 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,080 Thank you. 612 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:14,240 We have all of heaven ahead of us, all of eternity ahead of us, and God has purposes 613 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,240 for us for all of eternity. 614 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:24,360 So I'm just convinced that this life is like a boot camp and somehow preparation for something 615 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,800 that's going to take place in our cooperation with the Lord for eternity. 616 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,920 And the relationships that we build here are for eternity. 617 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:33,920 Amen. 618 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,920 Amen. 619 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,720 So you know, Jermaine will be accompanying you on the worship team in heaven. 620 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,720 Oh, no doubt. 621 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,720 Yes, yes, yes. 622 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,320 And someone had sent me a prophetic letter and gave it to me at the funeral that they 623 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,320 saw Jermaine. 624 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,600 I forgot about this. 625 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,600 A young lady, she's very prophetic. 626 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,840 She gave me a letter I still hold today. 627 00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:00,800 She said that Jermaine is playing drums in heaven that he had already passed. 628 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,840 And the spirit of Jermaine will come into Michael and he will be playing drums. 629 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,480 And he does. 630 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,040 Boy, you haven't really heard Michael play. 631 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,440 Michael plays with me on Sunday. 632 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,040 And Michael said that he was thinking about moving to another place that passed it. 633 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,560 I thought he was going to have a heart attack because Michael builds up that service with 634 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,880 those drums, those beats. 635 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,880 Yes. 636 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:25,880 Wow. 637 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,920 The scripture says, except a grain of wheat fall on the ground and die. 638 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,080 I didn't understand, but I see the fruit. 639 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:40,320 I see the fruit of that life, what it has brought forth, even in me. 640 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,320 Yeah. 641 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:48,000 Well, it takes you into that kind of experience where you have such pain and such grief, takes 642 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:55,480 you into a new place in God, a deeper place, a place where you have to meet him at a deeper 643 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,200 level in order to survive. 644 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:03,120 Well, you said it, in order to survive, because nobody else could help you. 645 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,720 No one's words could soothe you. 646 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,080 I didn't take any medication or anything like that. 647 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,840 I just went, as they say, cold turkey. 648 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,160 Some people said, why don't you go to the doctors and get something? 649 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,480 I said, I couldn't even respond to them. 650 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,480 I just wanted to go home. 651 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:25,640 Like you said, it was the spirit of God that allowed me to survive that because I had met 652 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:33,640 some other young women that they are totally incapacitated when their child was lost, totally. 653 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,280 So would you pray for our listeners? 654 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:44,260 And listener, if you know someone who is going through grief like this, would you share this? 655 00:35:44,260 --> 00:35:48,280 Would you please share this with the people who need to hear this? 656 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:54,760 Because this testimony of overcoming and contending through praise to be able to overcome and 657 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,840 break through, this can help somebody else. 658 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:03,400 And maybe you listener are one of those people that needed to hear this. 659 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,660 So Sister Phyllis, would you please pray for our listeners and pray for those that they 660 00:36:07,660 --> 00:36:10,480 know and love as they're going through things? 661 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,600 So maybe the thing that you're going through isn't the death of a loved one, but maybe 662 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,180 you're going through something that is very difficult. 663 00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:19,640 Maybe you've been deeply wounded. 664 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,440 Maybe you've been traumatized by something. 665 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:29,360 These will bring you to a place of breakthrough because you are dealing with, you are connecting 666 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,120 with the source of life. 667 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,060 You're connecting with the one who gave you life in the first place. 668 00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:42,840 And as you praise him, it allows his grace and his glory and his presence to come into 669 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,920 you and bring that healing. 670 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,440 So would you please pray for our listeners? 671 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,920 Father, we just thank you. 672 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,560 And we praise you and we glorify your name. 673 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,040 For you truly are wonderful. 674 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:02,720 Father, I thank you for your loving kindness this morning or this afternoon or whenever 675 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,280 someone is listening to this broadcast. 676 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:11,640 Father, we want to lift up your name and to say for thine, oh God, is the greatness and 677 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:17,040 the power and the glory and the dominion all belongs to you, Father. 678 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,160 We thank you, oh God, hallelujah. 679 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:27,000 For we thank you, Lord Jesus, for your great mercy to all that we're suffering through 680 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,000 right now. 681 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,600 We thank you for your great love right now. 682 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:39,760 Father, I pray in the name of Jesus that you would extend out your hands of comfort to 683 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,200 those that are experiencing the pain that goes so deep. 684 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,760 There's not even any words. 685 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,280 You just sit in the place and you're just there, but you just can't even connect with 686 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,480 anyone because it's too deep, the suffering. 687 00:37:54,480 --> 00:38:02,200 But Father, you, oh God, as we've been reading here recently, the deep calls unto deep. 688 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,200 Yes. 689 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:11,200 Oh God, the deepness of the pain that we might be suffering will call quite out to the deepness 690 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,320 of your love. 691 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,000 Because your love us so much, Father, that we know it right well. 692 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,280 We know despite what we're going through, it was what we are going through, that Father, 693 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,560 one thing that does not fail is your love. 694 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:32,280 And I pray in the name of Jesus that you would, oh God, pour out your love right now. 695 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:38,240 Send the angels of love and just put like a warm blanket, like I experienced you doing 696 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:45,640 for me around those that are experiencing tragedy, experiencing pain, experiencing the 697 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,760 loss of a loved one, experiencing the loss of income, and they don't know what they're 698 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:51,760 going to do. 699 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:57,280 But Father, you see it, oh God, and I pray, Lord, that you would bring comfort and that 700 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:02,400 you would bring, oh God, that still small voice to give them what to do. 701 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,400 Yes. 702 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,400 To hear your voice. 703 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,400 Yes, Lord. 704 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,400 Your Father. 705 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,400 Of direction. 706 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,400 Of voice. 707 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,400 Yes, Lord. 708 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,920 Like you've spoken to me so many times, there's a voice in the midst of the pain that we can 709 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:19,440 hear that will give us comfort to just rest in you. 710 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,860 I thank you, Lord God, for the spirit of rest even today. 711 00:39:23,860 --> 00:39:31,400 You said, come unto me, all ye that labor and have elated, and I will give you rest. 712 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,680 Take my yoke upon you. 713 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:33,680 Thank you, Jesus. 714 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,000 And learn of me. 715 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,680 So Father, I thank you today, Lord, that you would drive them to your word. 716 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:46,800 Father, I pray that you'd raise up those that have physical hands of comfort to meet the 717 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,560 needs of those, your children, that can go to homes and go to people that are grieving 718 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,480 or going through something and be your angels of light to them today. 719 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:03,080 In Jesus' name, we thank you how you're going to deliver us through all this, out of captivity, 720 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:08,040 out of Babylon, and we're going to sing Zion's songs of praise. 721 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,680 And we thank you for that. 722 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,720 In Jesus' name, amen. 723 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:13,720 Amen. 724 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:24,320 If you enjoyed today's podcast, please subscribe, rate, and review this podcast on Apple Podcasts 725 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,920 or wherever you listen to podcasts. 726 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,880 Your review helps the podcasting platform suggest this podcast to other listeners who are also 727 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,800 looking for a great move of the Holy Spirit. 728 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:40,320 Check out our website at globaloutpouring.org to find out more information, read our blogs, 729 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,160 connect with us, and donate. 730 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,600 You can also browse our web store for life-changing anointed 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