We need each other.
Absolutely.
We can't do our own thing.
I mean, it's body ministry, right?
Yes.
We're all part of a body.
Right.
We need each other.
We need to flow as a body.
I hear people talk about the new wine, the new wine.
We need new wineskins.
We need the old wineskins to go, and so forth and so on.
But part of that and what the Lord intends
is that we come together.
If we're looking for new wine, start looking around,
and who's a part of that cluster?
God promises in Joel 2, 28 to pour out His Spirit
on all humanity.
Welcome to Global Outpouring.
We contend for that promise outpouring.
We equip for that outpouring so that we may engage
in that very outpouring.
I'm Philip Buss.
And I'm Sharon Buss.
Welcome to the podcast today.
We have with us again our dear friend Valerie Melroy, who
is now on our board of directors.
And we have been talking about what the Lord is doing.
She got a word from the Lord about the new wine
is in the cluster.
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So Valerie, thank you so much for joining us today.
We've just had a glorious convention together.
And we're so appreciative that you came and preached for us.
It was a powerful message that you preached.
And we'll put a link to that in the show notes.
But thanks so much for joining us again.
It's so wonderful to be here.
And here I am at Engle Tall.
So this is so much fun.
I haven't been here for years.
And to be with you and to be at the glorious convention,
it was wonderful.
It really was wonderful.
And we'll put a link to the whole playlist
from the convention.
Our last episode was my message from the convention
on the opening night.
And it was amazing to me how one message dovetailed
with the next message.
And all of the messages just flowed together
from completely different speakers.
It was just, it was glorious.
It was glorious.
You knew it had to be Holy Spirit.
Yeah.
And the worship was out of this world.
Absolutely.
It always is.
But there's something happens when the body comes together.
There's a corporate anointing.
It's like when I have my time of just
worshiping the Lord myself, that anointing is my size.
But when Philip and I get together, his size and my size
goes together, it's not like two plus two equals four.
It's like two times two times four times whatever.
It just increases.
There's an exponential increase when you do things together.
So you get a whole bunch of people together in one place
that have an anointing in their lives.
And the corporate anointing, it just skyrockets.
It does.
And what adds to that is the flags, the dance,
the tambourine, the shofars.
People are around the room that are singing and moving
and really engaging.
Talking about one of the words is engage.
People engage with Holy Spirit at these conventions,
more so than most that I go to.
Yeah.
And what's amazing, too, is the visitations
people have during worship.
Yeah.
Yes.
Because that doesn't happen everywhere.
Yeah.
It's just when you have powerful moves of the Holy Spirit,
when people start having dreams and visions.
Like the veil is just torn.
And there's just so much is going on.
Yeah.
Very true.
Not just the worship leaders.
Right.
And what I love, too, is that there's a freedom
to flow in the Holy Spirit.
We don't have much of an agenda.
We just go there and we start a meeting.
And we know that we're going to have some worship, usually
almost an hour, roughly an hour.
And then we don't know what else might happen during that time.
And we had a couple of, I would say they were Holy Spirit blow
out sessions, where the Holy Spirit just led us.
And we went into intercession.
And it was just powerful.
But it was led by the Holy Spirit.
It wasn't that we had an agenda to do spiritual warfare.
But we did as the Holy Spirit led.
Spontaneous.
It was spontaneous.
Absolutely spontaneous.
So we're talking about what are we going to do next year.
We already are feeling that our time of having our convention
here in a small way at our headquarters, that started
when everything shut down in 2020,
we couldn't go and have a big thing in a hotel.
I mean, the hotels were basically shut down.
Hardly anybody was coming and going from the hotels.
And so they let all of their staff go.
And they really didn't want us to show up
with a whole bunch of people.
Yeah, I remember the hotel only had 16 people
working the hotels.
And this is an airport hotel.
And they would have to rehire people back and then
lay them off again after the event is over,
which means then they'd have to re-sign up
for their unemployment all over again
and take another two to three weeks.
Yeah, it would have been complicated.
So they just graciously asked us if we would bow out.
And we were gracious enough to.
Glad we did it.
Yeah, I said we're not canceling unless the hotel wants us to.
And they did.
Anyway, that's a long time ago.
But we've been having these smaller versions
here at our headquarters.
And it just feels like, OK, it's time.
And it's time for us.
Now, we used to hold our conventions
over the 4th of July week, because that's
when you could get a better rate.
Then this year, we scooched it back into June
because we wanted to have our youth retreat in July
and in order to do it when everybody's off of school.
And we didn't really do a good job getting
the word out about June.
I don't know what happened, but we kind of
dropped the ball a bit.
So our numbers were down a bit more
than our usual small event.
But we've just been feeling that it's
time to go back to a big city.
And we, for many years, had our conventions in St. Louis.
So we are looking around and looking at possibilities there.
And I also want to say this.
We're looking at Memorial Day weekend.
We'll start on Wednesday or Thursday and go through Sunday.
And you can go home on Monday, Memorial Day.
And this will be a time when people can come together.
And because it's a holiday, the rates come down a bit.
And it makes it more affordable to attend a thing when
it's on a holiday weekend.
So Valerie, you were praying about this.
And what was it that the Lord spoke to you?
So years ago when I was with Sister Gwen,
and I'm not sure where it was, but I
heard her say the new wine is in the cluster,
the cluster of grapes.
And so Isaiah 65, and when I was coming out here
to this convention, and then my first board meeting
as an official board member, I felt
like the Lord was saying, this is a scripture to look at moving
forward, that we need each other.
Absolutely.
We can't do our own thing.
We all need.
I mean, it's body ministry, right?
Yes.
We're all part of a body.
We need each other.
We need to flow as a body.
Not everybody, but I hear people talk about the new wine,
the new wine.
We need new wineskins.
We need the old wineskins to go, and so forth and so on.
But part of that, and what the Lord intends,
is that we come together so that we can be crushed together,
praised together, anointed together, ordained together,
convened together so that we can get our marching orders.
Some of us will go off and march together.
Some of us will go off and pray for some of those
that we marched with when we convened.
But the real idea is, if we're looking for new wine,
start looking around.
And who's a part of that cluster in your region,
in your state, in the ministries that you're supporting?
I've been in Enthamhamein for 40 years.
And now global outpouring, when I come to these conventions,
it's about the nations.
And guess what it is for the Lord?
It's about the nations.
Sure.
Ask of me, and I'll give you the nations for your inheritance,
the peoples.
And so yes, it's about the harvest.
And so the new wine is how we're going to get that harvest.
Because no one person can disciple,
what if 10,000 people came into knowing the Lord
tomorrow in your region?
You're not going to make a difference in 10,000 people
lives by yourself.
Right.
We need each other.
And I think it's so significant that I believe the adversary has
worked really hard over the last five years to isolate people.
A friend of ours, one of the young men that was here
helping us, he does door dash deliveries.
Well, he's been on this podcast, Matthew Reams.
And he's a minister, but in order to eat,
sometimes you have to do some other things.
And so he does door dash deliveries.
He says he hardly ever sees a person
that he's delivering to.
They just text him and say, just leave it on the porch.
Ring the bell and walk away.
That's really amazing.
Yeah, so there's a better get it quicker.
Somebody will steal it.
And I think it's a glitter bomb or something.
Yeah.
Oh, my.
But anyway, the thing is this, that people
have become so isolated.
And social media has caused people
to connect over social media.
And they don't know how to speak together.
People will be sitting at a table in a restaurant,
and they're texting one another, texting back and forth.
Well, you could talk.
Yeah, that's true.
And the thing is this, the new wine is in the cluster.
In other words, it requires community.
And it requires us to go beyond our safe little nest
where we are by ourself.
So many people have gotten hurt in some way.
And it causes them to draw back and not
want to interact with people because they might get hurt.
So it's a fear, a fear of relationships,
because there's been a bad relationship.
Well, God wants to set us free from that.
Because it's really about walking together
in horizontal relationships while we
have this amazing vertical relationship with the Lord.
It's not one or the other.
It's both.
Yeah.
It's true, and the Lord never intended us
to go at this alone.
He himself put disciples around him.
Right.
Right?
And I know Pastor Tony, he was talking about he had the one,
he had the three, he had the 12, he had the 70,
he had the 120, and then the 500.
And so that the Lord always had those around him.
And I think it's really important now, especially,
and of course we know what Hebrew says,
let us not neglect meeting together as some made a habit.
And I think that's what's happening nowadays.
A lot of people have not returned to the church.
And I don't mean just the church building.
Return to gathering together and being with a body
and feeling good about being with a body.
But let us encourage one another and all the more
as you see the day approaching.
Now we see the day approaching.
Yes.
And there's such a fear factor being put out.
It's like take your weather channel.
I have the weather channel app.
And it's not always weather.
And all of a sudden, all these things come up.
This, you know, scientists say this, experts say this,
this and this.
And it gets you so full of fear and disillusion.
They're saying by this, this, all that.
And it's just like you can get depressed watching
weather channel stuff.
Because we're talking about all these things into a video,
this or that, what they say, which, you know,
which affects the way people think.
Getting together, virus, this, this, that.
A chicken's got that.
Those humans got a bird flu, da, da.
And so many people have the weather channel app
because, you know, you want to get it.
But you're getting news you don't want to hear either.
Yeah.
Well, you know, talk about hope deferred.
Right.
You know, hope deferred makes the heart sick.
When you think you're going to have an experience
or you think that something good is going to happen
and then it doesn't happen.
And then hope deferred brings depression.
Right.
Absolutely.
It sets in.
So hope deferred makes the heart sick.
That could be now a heart.
My mother used to teach that the heart is a seat
of our emotions, our thoughts.
But also it could be our physical heart.
It could be the mental health.
It could be emotional.
Could be relational.
Now I have a friend, he has a home for people
that are recovering from drugs and alcohol.
And he absolutely stands on the fact
that you do not recover unless you're in relationship.
Wow.
You need relationship to recover.
Part of that is you might think you're doing really good
until you meet somebody you don't like
and you realize, ooh, I still have some issues
that I need to look at.
So again, it's that partnership.
It's where two or three are gathered, touching anything.
Now, yes, it can be on the phone.
It can be through Zoom.
It could be through whatever it is.
But in person, you get to see the face.
You get to touch if you need to.
That's why I loved this convention this year.
I saw a few folks I haven't seen in a long time.
And I got to meet a lot of really neat people.
You got to pray together.
I got to hear their story.
I love hearing people's story.
I do, too.
It's just amazing.
And what the Lord is doing, it's so encouraging
to hear what the Lord is doing other people, what
He's doing in their towns, what people need help for
in their family.
Most of us are in the same place in one way or another.
So it might be a little before, let's
say they've worked through some of the things with their kids
or with their spouse.
And now they can be an encouragement to me,
how do I do that?
Or how did you do that?
Or maybe some can help with, let's gather together
and really pray for the healing and then pray for healing.
Like someone hit my heart this time here,
and I'm going to keep her on my heart until she gets healed,
because I believe she's going to be healed.
Amen.
So when I go home from here, I'm not going to be,
oh, that was a nice gathering.
I'm going to say, oh, Lord, in Jesus' name, I know it.
Enough is enough.
It's now.
Today's the day of healing.
Today's the day of salvation, so forth and so on.
So it's real important, that connection.
And another connection that is so important
is the connection between the generations.
Absolutely.
I remember from the Bible the story of Rehoboam,
who was Solomon's son.
And Solomon had been this great and wise and very rich king.
And he had really taxed the people
in order to get all of these riches to build.
I mean, he built the temple.
He built his own house.
He built all kinds of things.
He built chariot cities all around the country.
He sent people to foreign places trading.
He got apes, and he got gold, and he got all kinds of things
that were an ivory.
So obviously, they went to Africa.
Anyway, so when Solomon dies, his son Rehoboam
takes the throne.
And there had been a warning that God
was going to rend the kingdom.
He was going to tear it up because of something
that Solomon had done.
I won't go into that.
But what happened was Rehoboam was
going to get crowned as king.
And the people came to him and said,
are you planning to tax us like your father did?
He said, well, let me get back to you on that.
And so he consulted with his advisors
and the advisors that had worked with his dad.
These men that are now older and seasoned and wise,
they said, you need to back off on the taxes
so that you'll be able to work with these people,
and they'll serve you.
If you relent on this, they will work with you.
They will serve you.
But then he consulted with the young men that were his own age.
And they said, no, come on.
You can do even better.
And so he came back, and he said to these people,
I'm going to tax you even more than my dad did.
Well, 10 tribes walked away.
So he wound up with a whole lot smaller tax base,
just with his own tribe of Judah,
and I think Benjamin and Simeon's in there.
But the point is that it's not really
wise to only listen to the people that are peers, that
are your own age.
You need wise counsel from people that are older than you.
And that's something that we tend to miss,
because our adversary wants to keep us separated.
He doesn't want us to be integrating the generations.
I know as a child, I was one of those kids
that always wanted to hang out with older people.
I don't know why that.
Oh, I know why it was.
When my great grandmother died, I
wanted someone to take her place.
And I went looking for somebody older.
That was the beginning of my quest for relationships
with older people.
And I guess I always have had that.
But my point is that the generations need each other.
Those that have gotten older and maybe slower physically,
they have more wisdom, but the younger ones
have more strength and more energy.
And working together, the job of building the kingdom
can be done so much more easily if we'll just
function together.
Amen, that's perfect.
I think God designed it to be generational,
says the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
So there you go, the generations.
He designed us to be in relationship.
And I say healthy relationship, too.
But with someone older, I know when I was young
and I worked in a nursing home, I
used to love sitting at the bedside of people
and listening to their stories.
I could hear people that made it through the Great Depression,
that made it through World War I and Korean War even back then
and so forth, and just the stories and how they made it
and the fire.
And was it in San Francisco?
Wherever that big fire was in.
Anyway, Chicago maybe, whatever.
I'm trying to remember.
I can see the lady telling me, but I would hang on
every single word because I thought, how did you make it?
Because now we're so technologically based
if electricity went down.
What would our youth do?
The phone in every hand, computer,
everything is about technology.
And years ago, people made it through dark, difficult times.
And there's still keys that older people have for that.
And that's even people older than myself.
And then running alongside.
I learned a lot from youth.
Here at this convention, I would ask questions.
And I learned right now things that I didn't know.
My grandkids.
Well, we all know grandkids help us with our phone
and other things.
I don't know necessarily what kind of music people
really like these days.
And it seems like a lot of different genres.
But it's really important that we understand each other's
hearts, spend time together, lift one another up.
And I love that scripture.
The father puts the lonely in families, right?
Because he wants us to be together.
And so if you had a family like 10 years and under,
or 15 years and under, it's not going to work.
So you need the older folks that are helping the kids,
the youth, the teens that are helping the little kids,
and then the grandmoms and grandpops.
Yeah, I was waiting on the Lord a couple of days ago.
And was it just yesterday?
Anyway, whenever it was, I felt like the Lord spoke to me.
And it was really about having sort of an adopt a grandparent
program for like youth groups in churches and young adults
with kids.
And I mean, obviously, you would want
to make sure that you have vetted the person.
But finding somebody in your church or in your neighborhood
that is a trustworthy older person
would be a grandparent, or just be a mother or a father that
is going to help to bring some stability
and help to bring some wisdom.
And lots of times, an older person
will have had experiences that would help,
telling their story, telling their testimony.
This is what happened to me.
You don't have to make the same mistake I made.
Come on, climb on my shoulders.
And learn from my mistakes so that you
don't have to make them.
I don't know why human nature is so inclined that we want to.
We want to make our own mistakes.
But if we grasp the wisdom, we can be saving ourselves
a lot of heartache.
That's true.
Well, I think of days before GPS,
like a lot of the macho man, I don't need, I'll find it.
Da da da.
I don't need directions.
And one thing nice about GPS, they've saved a lot of fuel.
Because a lot of people are not getting lost as much.
Yeah, unless the GPS gets them lost.
But there's this thing, yeah, that's
true if it wasn't programmed, like the one we had,
and trying to go through New York City.
Oh my.
Exit here, you get off, and you just
added 20 minutes to your route.
It took an hour and a half to get out of the city
to get to Long Island.
Yeah.
You know, but it's just.
The youth can help us with the technology.
Yeah, that's true.
It's wonderful.
Well, the thing is that we bought it and didn't really
get it programmed right.
But still, you know, that was always a big thing.
Never stopping to ask directions.
Because when you do that, OK, you stop,
you got to go into a gas station, go into a store.
I remember we went to Dallas.
We were picking up.
Oh, yeah.
We were picking up Sister Gwen and Colonel Jim.
They were flying into a small airport,
Blue or something, I forget the name of the airport,
more for private planes.
We stopped six times for directions,
and every one, they left something out.
Oh, yeah.
We finally made it.
I mean, six times.
I never forgot that.
I thought it's.
So this is where GPS is nice, but still.
Technology has taken us forward.
Yes.
So we saved a quarter tank of gas out of that, maybe.
You know, if we would have had our GPS.
You know, I was thinking with that,
when I started going back to the nations again,
it was with you and Philip to Tibet.
Oh, yes.
Remember, we went to Nepal and Tibet.
And what was so cool about that was we had two women
in their late 70s on that trip.
And I was amazed, like, wow, you're in the mission field.
So whoever's listening, don't think age is a barrier,
because it's not.
Because we went up to 16,500 feet on that first journey.
Yeah.
We were up there.
That's when I first blew the shofar, just a little side
note, believe it or not.
I never blew the shofar before.
Yes.
And up there with that thin air.
Yeah, yeah.
Boom, it happened.
But you know, I was at that time,
I was separated and not having a good marriage.
And the one woman, I'll never forget it, she said to me,
you know what I've done?
I use Isaiah 54.
For your husband is your maker.
The Lord of hosts is his name.
The Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer.
He is called the God of all the earth.
And then, for the Lord has called you back
like a wife deserted and wounded in his spirit
and rejected wife of one's youth says your God.
And that scripture made such a difference.
Now, this is from an older woman who
had been either lost a husband through death or divorce.
I'm not sure.
But it was some time later.
And I was a minister.
And I was going to perform the marriage of my daughter.
I was going to be the minister.
And I thought, Lord, how can I do this?
Then I found out that my husband, at the time,
we weren't divorced yet, was going to bring his friend,
his girlfriend, let me say.
Oh my.
And I'm like, Lord, what am I going to do?
The Lord reminded me of that scripture one week before.
Wow.
And I confessed that scripture.
And I cried over that scripture.
And I stood right up there and was
able to perform that ceremony without a broken heart
because the Lord mended.
But that came from an older person.
I was 40 at the time, 42 maybe.
And that scripture was the word that I needed.
And that was probably several months later.
But it was the word that I needed.
And I got it on that trip.
So again, we had gotten together,
taken the information to the nations,
taken the Lord to the nations.
We had to be careful, of course, in Tibet.
Certainly.
But we still were together.
We took communion together every day.
We had various ages on that trip.
And we melted together around communion, around a purpose,
around Holy Spirit and the Lord.
And we ministered to so many kids on that trip, youth
as well, but the children.
And I'll tell you, it was a life-changing trip for me
that got me back into the mission field again.
And so seeing the blend of the older folks, the middle folks
working with the youth and some of the churches over there
that you got to preach in and really got to reach out to.
Remember that trip?
It was amazing.
That was the first journey.
Is that the first?
I think it was the second.
The second journey.
But I'm not sure.
It was such a tight-knit group.
It was really.
And you had to be.
Because this wasn't, you know, Tibet is not a mission field
for novices.
True.
I mean, not back then when we went,
because it was such a demonic place.
You know, the powers of darkness are very strong.
And they call it the rooftop of the world.
The abode of the gods, little g.
Right.
Little g-o-d-s.
Right.
So we had a cluster.
We did.
We had a team, a cluster.
And so what is New Wine all about?
You know, New Wine is the brand new wine.
OK.
And I remember Francine Lovell used
to talk about the new wine being in the cluster.
And she talked about how the new wine is the most intoxicating.
And it's very, very special.
And because it is in the fermentation process,
that's why you have to have new wine skins,
because they'll stretch.
If you put it in old wine skins that
don't have the suppleness and the flexibility, they will pop.
They will burst.
You know, they're made out of the skins of animals, you know?
And so it's important for us to have this cluster,
this everybody together.
It's every generation together.
We need each other.
You know, I remember when we've had conventions where
we have the children minister.
And they're being taught how to hear from the Holy Spirit,
how to pray for people.
And we would bring them in and have them pray over the grownups
and give them words of knowledge and give them
words of prophecy.
And they'll close their eyes and they'll pray
and they'll see a picture in their minds
and tell the person what the picture is.
Well, the picture means something to that person.
So even the little children, we need every generation
in the cluster.
We need this whole body ministry, this thing together
that we do it together.
And that's what produces the new wine that
is the wine of the kingdom.
It's that intoxicating thing that produces joy
in all of the generations when we do things together.
Amen.
When you're really in the Holy Spirit, you know,
I don't know if I wouldn't want to admit that I ever got drunk.
But you know, if you ever got drunk in the natural,
your inhibitions are gone.
And you may, you know, and you'd still have a sudden,
I've seen people who like everybody.
And you know, and they're just like, let me talk to you.
And I can do this now.
I feel invincible.
And so it's not always good.
But I just think when we're together with the cluster
and we're intoxicated with Jesus, with Holy Spirit.
Like the day of Pentecost.
Yes, exactly.
These men are not drunk as you suppose.
Exactly.
They thought they were drunk because of their behavior.
And they were saying, you know, talking their language.
But you know what they look like.
And when we're together like that and we're in Holy Spirit
and the new wine, we really can drop away
a lot of our pretenses, the masks that we wear.
We can trust one another.
We can invite the Lord to come in in a deeper way,
in a new way.
And other people want to be around us
because we're joyful now.
I remember a message just to Gwen at Preaches
and one of her messages.
And she's like, you go to Germany
and they're just so real stiff and da, da, da.
And so once they've had some beers, some wine,
all of a sudden, ah, yeah, they're just all free and loose.
You know, and she was referring, that's
what happens when you have the new wine.
You know, it will just make you.
It's like Toronto.
Actually, Rodney Howard Brown started that.
You know, that was in the.
God started it through him.
And then it just started spreading.
It's the joy in his presence.
Why was it to take a South African to come to America?
I don't know.
To bring it, you know, it's really, it was just amazing.
And then it just spread.
It spread to Toronto and then to Pensacola, Brownsville.
And, you know, it was a man.
It was a joy thing.
I mean, there were people that would just cry out
in intercession in that.
But mostly it was the laughing.
And finally, after a while, you just got used to laughing
during a session because even the people that were the most
kind of stiff, you think, or this or that were just.
And I'm and I remember when all this was going on
and we go to our Methodist church in Jasper.
What's going to happen if Sharon just loses it?
I was really concerned.
She almost lost it a few times.
You know, it was really, it was scary to go in.
What are they going to think?
But the Lord was good.
Yeah.
You know, it's really about the joy in his presence.
Yeah.
And we get that joy in his presence
as we enter his gates with Thanksgiving.
And in his presence is fullness of joy.
So there's something about this presence and the cluster.
Yeah.
I remember a little song someone sang before.
It's like when I get squeezed, I let out a little wine.
You can be W-I-N-E or W-H-I-N-E.
Wine.
That's good.
It's another wine.
But it's when we get squeezed, you know,
and we get all the bad, the W-H-I-N out of here,
and we start releasing W-I-N-E.
You know, that's where.
Yeah.
Even at our conventions, one thing about the way
Sister Gwen would minister, it wasn't
like going to a lot of these different streams
that we go to.
There was severity in her preaching.
Sometimes.
Sometimes hilarity, too.
Hilarity.
There was severity.
And I remember at the convention one year someone asked me.
It was Thursday.
I said, I'm thinking of going home tomorrow.
And he says, why don't you stay for Friday night?
Because Sister Gwen's speaking.
I remember last year she spoke on Ezekiel's Boneyard.
It was the funniest message I ever heard her preach.
And she spoke on Vashti, who lost the position
and anointing on that Friday night.
I thought, well, I hope the lady was here.
Maybe she needed to hear that.
That was the word of the Lord to her.
But it was just kind of going through spiritual surgery.
And you need that.
Because you need to deal with stuff in your life.
And if you can't deal with it yourself,
sometimes God will have somebody that will point that out to you.
And it's all to make you grow into a better person.
No one likes confrontation or getting your toes stepped on,
maybe.
Kind of like when AT&T says, I'm going to drop a bomb on you.
You have to change your name.
I mean, I know that was a bomb.
It was like, wow, how do we do that?
But God did it.
God did it.
Yeah.
And our Father is so, so loving and so complete in what He does.
What He starts, He finishes.
And sometimes we have to go through some things in the process.
But it's about making new wine.
It's about making the wine of the kingdom.
Jesus said, I'm not going to drink any wine anymore with you
until we drink it together in the kingdom.
And so He is in the process of making the wine of the kingdom.
And it requires the cluster to be together
and to allow ourselves to be crushed.
And in the crushing, you mix your juice
with everybody else's juice.
You lose your identity.
And identity is important.
I'm not saying it's not important.
But in the grand scheme of things,
it's when we humble ourselves and lose our pride
and lose our identity in that way that the Lord's identity
becomes built in us.
And that's really what it's all about.
I agree.
And I think, too, when you bring everybody together,
everybody has a part.
Exactly.
So in fact, some of the wines, some of the better wines
might be mixtures of different flavors if you've ever.
My father loved Alderbury wine.
He didn't ever get drunk on it.
But it had something in it that really helped him
when he had colds and all.
He didn't drink it often.
So I would go and get it for him.
And I'd just kind of look through the things,
because it was always hard for me to find.
And I marveled at some of the wines
that would put different flavors together and thinking, wow,
I wonder what that would be like.
And I'd think about that with the cluster,
that we have different flavors.
I mean, I think about how exciting it is going to be.
And even now, when I go to the nations,
that every tribe and every tongue
will be around the throne.
It's so amazing.
So you get that cluster with that tribe and that tongue
and that person or that race, whatever
we're going to call that, and just bring them together.
And how exciting it is to serve the Lord,
to worship the Lord together.
Especially for those listening, you
may be in a nation that this is forbidden,
what you're listening to.
Or if you, because we have those out there
that are in different nations that where the gospel is
forbidden.
And you just have to really pray the Holy Spirit will,
he'll help you to find the cluster.
Yes.
Because when you're led by the Spirit,
even in a dangerous place, that he can just lead and guide you
to people, just like you'll just know it.
You can sometimes just see it in their eyes.
And I remember seeing something on Facebook a few days ago
or something about this person that was a believer once
and now is not anymore, and this and that.
And I looked at her eyes.
I thought, she's just full of darkness.
You can look at people and tell what's in them a lot of times.
The Holy Spirit will give you that discernment.
And you have to look for those that you
see the light in their eyes.
Yes.
And that's the Holy Spirit.
OK, Lord, what kind of a conversation?
How can we start this to connect with that person?
Because that'll be, sometimes you
have to create your own cluster.
That's true.
And I remember hearing in the days before the Iron Curtain
fell, and you'll find this in China,
you'll find this in places where Christians are persecuted,
that it's very dangerous to keep coming back to the same place.
So they won't announce where the meeting is going to be.
And you have to hear from the Holy Spirit
as to where you're supposed to be and when.
And that's where you really find your cluster.
You find the people that are flowing,
hearing the same voice that you're hearing.
That's just a whole lot better.
Amen.
But if you are hearing this podcast and you're being stirred,
maybe you'd like to come to this next convention
over Memorial Day 2025 in St. Louis, Missouri.
We'll have more details coming out
as the details become available.
But we are going to include a link to a survey in the show
notes.
And it's like three or four questions.
Real simple.
But we're looking to find out, are the people out there
who really want to meet, who really
want to meet their cluster?
They've maybe been sheltered, or maybe they've
been isolated in these times.
And they're looking for something.
They're looking for their tribe.
Where are the people that are like me?
Well, if you're being fed by this podcast,
you are probably going to find your tribe
when you come to our convention.
And we call it a convention, not a conference,
because we convene together.
You convene at a convention.
You confer at a conference.
And we're probably conferring together some.
But it's about convening.
It's about coming together in that cluster,
that we find one another in the spirit,
that we find relationships.
I've been amazed at the relationships that
have been built when people come.
They might be all by themselves when
they come in the first place.
But then they discover, well, here's
somebody that's like me.
Here's somebody that I can relate to.
And you build relationships.
And these relationships are eternal.
Amen.
So Valerie, would you pray for our listeners?
Sure.
Oh, Abba Father, we just love you so much, Lord.
And Father, we know and have gotten, even in the business
that I have, Lord, have gotten reports of people
that have been very lonely, veterans, older people, Lord,
some families, Lord.
And Father, we want to see your people gather.
You said in your word, we have to, even more so
as the day approaches, Lord.
Yes.
You said the new wine is in the cluster, Lord.
It's when we get together with all our uniqueness
that we birth you in a greater way, in a beautiful way.
Lord, I remember the one prophet that used to say Chuck Flynn.
And he'd say, everybody has a word, but you come together
and you have the word.
We need people to come with a word, Lord.
We need people to find their tribe, Lord.
And Father, we just thank you, Lord,
that we're about going into all the world, as Jesus said,
global outpouring.
Lord, we thank you, Father, for this outpouring that's coming.
And Lord, we need to be strengthened.
We need to be inebriated in some way, Lord God,
so that all old things fall away.
And the new comes, Lord God.
And that, Father, we can minister in love
and in healing, deliverance, in worship with one another,
Lord God, as we gather.
Father, we just pray, Lord, for everyone
that's listening that needs a friend, that needs a person,
that needs a cluster, that needs to find their tribe,
that you would open the door for that, Lord.
And that, Father, we close the door to anybody coming
that would bring harm to them, Father God.
And Lord, we just bless everyone listening.
We bless everyone that came at this convention, Lord God.
They came, and people at the end said,
I'm ready to go back now.
Where I'm going to work, where I'm going to be,
where I'm going to pray, and do the next thing.
So, Lord, we came together and we got encouraged.
And we got confirmation.
And Lord, we got your presence that will carry us through.
So, Father, we just bless you most of all.
And we thank you, Lord, for who you are,
and that you're uniting your body, Lord,
that we need each other.
And it's through your body, Lord God,
that the kingdom will come through your church, Lord God,
through your bride.
The kingdom will come, Lord God, on the earth.
And it's that kingdom that's going to change things, Lord God.
It's your government that will change things, Lord God.
And so we love you and we bless you,
and we bless all those listening,
and those that are going to find us,
and that we're going to be a part of their cluster, Lord.
Yes.
We just thank you, in Jesus' name, amen.
Amen.
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