I inherited Islam.
You know how someone inherits blood pressure,
diabetes, you know, other things.
It just comes.
Yeah.
You know, you never ask for diabetes.
You never ask, you know, for those things.
It just, it's in the blood.
And in those days, especially in Middle East,
you are born, you're automatically a Muslim.
I inherited the religion,
and I tried to be faithful to what I inherited.
But then I got disappointed.
I realized this is not working.
God promises in Joel 2.28 to pour out his spirit on all humanity.
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Kamran Yaree.
We call him Kamran.
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He grew up as a Shiite Muslim in Iran.
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Well, our dear friend, Kamran, it's
so good to have you with us again on the Global Outpouring
Podcast.
We just love you so much and have for years.
We love how you love God and how Jesus is mentoring you
all the time.
And you're just very dear to our hearts.
Oh, thank you.
History goes way back to Sister Gwen.
She came to Morning Star a long time ago.
Yes.
And I was sitting next to her and just fell in love
with Sister Gwen.
And then you guys invited me.
And I came two or three times.
And we just got connected.
Our heart is connected.
I love you guys very much.
Absolutely.
It's a connection that is for eternity.
Exactly.
You know, this isn't just for here and now.
And it's not just for an event.
It is for eternity.
Yes.
I wonder what Sister Gwen is doing right now.
She's probably looking in on this.
She's patting us all on the back and saying, go for it.
Go for it.
Oh, man.
What an amazing person.
Oh, yeah.
What an amazing.
Absolutely.
Lover of God, lover of people, lover of the deep things of God.
Just imagine when you think about people like that,
it brings a smile to you.
These are we were created, right?
But just think about the Lord when we see him.
I think our face is going to hurt because you're just
keep smiling in heaven like, Lord God.
Well, I think the scripture says,
neither shall there be any more pain.
So I don't think our faces will hurt.
OK.
There.
Oh, my goodness.
So Kamran, we've had you on this podcast before.
And you've told us some things about how you were at one time
a devout Shiite Muslim.
And you just really wanted to love God and to know him.
But you were praying to the wrong address.
Absolutely, yes.
I mean, still he was hearing my voice, the Lord, the creator.
But I was putting, it's almost like depositing all your money
in a fraud account.
It's like you're just like, hey, this is my money,
which is not the money.
It's your prayer and your conversation.
You're putting in the wrong account.
You're like, ah, then they let you realize.
But our Heavenly Father, he's so gracious.
He would say, OK, now I'm going to restore everything back to you.
But this is me.
Any other God, they're just so-called God.
There's only one creator.
And he's amazing.
And I didn't know, because I inherited Islam.
You know how someone inherits blood pressure, diabetes,
other things?
It just comes.
You never ask for diabetes.
You never ask for those things.
It just, it's in the blood.
And in those days, especially in Middle East, you are born,
you're automatically a Muslim.
I inherited the religion.
And I tried to be faithful to what I inherited.
But then I got disappointed.
I realized this is not working.
It's not working.
Yeah.
And Jesus helped you get a visa to come to the United States?
Oh, yes, he did.
He has connection with embassies.
He's amazing.
Yeah.
Yeah, you've got to have friends in high places.
And he's the friend in the higher place than the embassy.
Yes, when I had my very first encounter with Jesus,
it was, you know, you call it vision.
Whatever we call it, I was awake and my eyes were open.
And I didn't even know the word vision because I was a Muslim.
And I didn't know.
I just saw him in front of me in this hotel room.
And the very first thing he said, he said,
I will help you to go to America.
And next day, I was scheduled to go to the embassy
and apply for a visa.
In most cases, the answer is no.
And the next day, I got my visa.
It's amazing that the Lord, the very first encounter
after many years, he had a lot to tell me.
But he's so patient.
He didn't say, follow me.
He didn't say, I'm the son of God.
He didn't say, you're worshiping a wrong God.
He's so patient.
The only thing he said, I will help you to go to America.
That's all he said.
Wow.
That says a lot about him.
You know, it's like, wow.
Out of all those things, he looked
at what the next step was because he's so patient.
You know, Bible said, I think Bible said,
his patience means salvation.
He's so patient with us.
And even he eagerly waits.
Sometimes we think, oh, I'm waiting for him.
We don't realize he's eagerly.
Waiting is painful.
He's eagerly waiting.
It's like he's the maker of the universe.
He could snap his finger and, you know,
just things will happen, but he didn't do it.
It's amazing.
I will help you to go to America.
That's all he said.
And the next day I got my visa.
Beautiful.
And then the next encounter that you had really
before you saw Jesus again was an encounter
with Christians, right?
Exactly.
And then three years went past by when I was in America.
I was 30 years old when I had the first encounter
with Jesus.
Then between 30 and 33, nothing happened.
And toward the end of the three years in America,
I was just about to turn 33, I met some Christians.
And then that was an encounter because they loved me.
They knew I was Muslim.
They knew I was from Iran.
This is the year 2000.
And they all had this amazing smile,
which really bothered me.
I said, why do you keep smiling?
Because I never could truly smile.
I never had joy.
I remember when I came to America,
people say, they would say, have fun.
And I really thought they're crazy.
How can you have fun?
The word fun didn't mean anything to me.
The word joy didn't mean anything to me.
Really, I didn't have like, what do you mean fun?
What do you mean joy?
Life is all pain.
Life is all agony.
Life is just grow up in the Middle East,
go through the war and poverty
and no connection with God.
It's all darkness.
I'm alone here in this planet
and just like, what do you mean have fun?
And I thought, oh, these are American.
And I would look at their car
because you compare the car here, cars,
to cars in the Middle East.
It's like everybody, they drive like a king.
In the Middle East, you know,
it's really hard to find a good car
and then you have to pay cash for it.
Anyway, I was looking at their car.
I said, oh, look at their cars.
Look at their houses.
They're wealthy.
That's why they are happy.
That's why they are smiling.
Oh, wow.
That was my mentality those days.
Wow, because he didn't know better.
I didn't know better, no.
And for me, if you look at it from God's eyes even,
you know, he's looking at someone
that grew up in the Middle East,
was introduced to Allah,
he inherited the religion.
He's trying to be a good person.
He's trying to please Allah.
He goes through war.
Most of his friends, they die.
And then years and years and years,
for whatever reason, I don't know,
he's searching for God and he cannot find him.
Yeah.
You know, I don't think the Lord would judge me.
It's like, I did want to know the true God.
Yeah.
I'm not comparing people like us to Paul,
but look at Paul.
Yeah.
He kept the law.
He said he was the Pharisee of Pharisees,
meaning not a bad person.
I think he was saying like he kept the law
because law was given to them before Jesus.
It was the law.
Yeah.
And he kept it.
Yeah.
I don't think God would judge him.
It's like, he's like, Moses told us to do this
and we tried to do and then comes Christ, you know,
that's a different story.
But for me, before I met Jesus, I tried to do my best.
I don't think the Lord looks at my first 33 years of life
and say, oh, that was so bad.
I'm ashamed of you.
You know, no, that's the way I see it.
He judges our hearts.
Yes, exactly.
He judges our motives.
You wanted to know God.
And I wanted to know God.
I just like, even when we say judge,
we think that as a human, we think, oh, he's a judge.
He judges.
Like you said, he looks at our heart
to see the condition of the heart,
but he used everything to get this heart ready
for the seed of Christ one day.
Like if you're a good gardener, if you're a good farmer,
you tilt the ground first.
You make sure the ground is ready.
Sometimes it's a rocky ground.
To me, this land was that rock.
It's a rocky ground.
To smash that rock to pieces and to get the rocks out
and to get the soil, tilt the soil.
To me, the Lord used Islamic regime in Iran
to tilt the soul of that country.
That's why they're receiving Christ now
because they are so disappointed of the regime
and Islam and Islamic law and everything.
I call Khomeini John the Baptist.
He prepared, really, he unknowingly,
he prepared the way for the Lord to come.
Yeah, because there were very few Christians
before the regime took over.
100,000, about 90 to 100,000 Armenian Christian
which by birth.
And now it's like, some say minimum of three,
some say you can go all the way to seven million
because it's all underground.
I talked to most of my family member
and most of my friend.
They're all believers, but they're secret believers.
There is no way you could count them,
but it's all over that country.
And most of them is through encounter.
Wow.
Well, we've been praying for that.
We've been praying for that for 30, 40 years.
Many people, many people.
So, God is answering our prayers.
That's part of contending for the outpouring.
There's an outpouring of the Holy Spirit in Iran.
Exactly.
See, love is patient.
Oh, I love that.
Yes.
Love is patient, love is kind.
That means change the word love and put God,
which is God is love.
God is patient.
Sometimes we think, oh, God doesn't need to be patient.
He can just get things done.
Look how patient he has been, even toward Israel
and toward us.
It's like his work is always the way I see it,
is multi-generational.
Three or four generations, like you said,
so many people, they prayed for Muslim nations
and prayed for Iran, including you guys.
And sometimes it takes 20, 30, 40 years to see,
but in most cases, a person cannot see the fruit
when they go to heaven, they will see the fruit.
And it normally takes three or four generation,
but we should just always be encouraged and move forward
and keep praying and never get disappointed.
I'm sure so many believers all around the world,
they are praying for Israel to see Christ.
Sure.
Bible said, if their rejection gave us Christ,
what would their acceptance would do?
Right, resurrection.
Yeah, and the Lord is so patient, and we should be patient.
Never stop praying for Israel,
never stop praying for the Muslim nation,
regardless of what we see on TV.
Right.
Because it's discouraging to see what's happening.
Yeah.
The thing that's been in my heart just, especially recently,
it's really been come into focus,
is the importance of praying
out of our father's heart of love for people.
That the people who are practicing Islam,
the Muslim people, as you said to us
before we started recording, there's no love in Islam,
but the Muslim people love.
Exactly.
And our father is in his heart of love,
he wants to help the Muslims escape from this deception,
because that's what Islam is, it's an absolute deception.
Not Muslims, that's what we talked about in the beginning.
I want our listeners to really see this truth
and open their heart that Islam is a religion
that was inherited, but Muslims are a group of people.
When we say Islam, the religion, is very deceptive,
that doesn't mean Muslims are, but Islam, the religion, is.
Because it's not from our father in heaven.
That's right.
Because it demands sacrifice.
But our father in heaven didn't demand sacrifice,
he said, the only acceptable sacrifice is my son,
and I'm gonna give it to you.
Not because you're a good person,
but because you're a sinner.
And because I love you.
Because I love you.
And out of that, because I wanna have relationship
with you forever, it's so amazing when we were Muslims,
once a year at least, you just get some lamb or sheep,
and you sacrifice it, and you eat little bit of the meat,
but you give most of the meat to the poor and the needy,
and you always knew that's acceptable sacrifice.
Didn't realize that it's Christ himself.
Sure.
Yeah, it's Christ himself.
And those people, they don't know.
He gives us illustrations no matter where we are.
He will give us something to look at that expresses himself,
even if it's within Islam.
Yes.
Because he loves us.
Thank you.
And my heart is that we don't get angry about Muslims.
We can get angry at Islam because it's hurting the Muslims.
Yes.
We can get angry at the one who inspired Islam,
and I'm not talking about the man,
I'm talking about the spirit.
The spirit.
But as we pray, we don't pray out of anger,
but we pray out of the love of God.
Absolutely.
For the captives to be set free.
Exactly.
And never get caught up in the politic of two countries,
like Israel and Hamas, the way I see it.
Like you said, the father sees both people,
and this is not us saying they need to stop
or they need to keep going.
We don't have that discussion.
That's for politicians.
We are saying that the way I see it,
Israel, God picked them,
there is still the apple of his eyes,
go argue with God and say, why did you pick them?
You know, he picked them.
And we are the fruit of what he picked.
And look at us as a Christian, do you think we're perfect?
Look how dysfunction we are, and still we know God loves us
because once he picks you, he picks you.
That's fun as far as the Israel goes.
Then he goes to Muslim people, and he told Abraham,
through you, all nations will be blessed.
Yes.
All nations, meaning the Muslim and the Buddhist
and everybody.
The heart he has for Israel, he has it for other people too.
But to me, Israel, the way I see it, is the firstborn,
is the first nation he picked.
That's the way Cameron sees it.
I'm not saying this is biblical.
When I gave my heart to the Lord,
the love that came to me for the nation of Israel,
every time I see, especially the one
that they are not saved yet,
the amount of love I have, it's so huge.
I don't even have that love for my own nation, Iranian.
It just came to me supernaturally for the Jewish people.
Wow.
You know, it's huge.
We went to Israel last year, Suzy and I, we were there,
and we left October 1st, like four or five days.
Yeah, we went to South Africa.
Yeah, we were there.
And then I would talk to all these Jews and the Orthodox Jews
and then all the young people and the store owner.
They couldn't believe how much love I had for them.
Being Iranian, their eyes got so big,
but it was so supernatural.
And the Lord gave it to me the moment I got saved.
He gave it to me for them.
I love them very much, very much.
Deeply, I love them deeply.
And like you said, the Lord has heart for them, of course,
and he has heart for Muslim people.
Yes, he does.
Now, let me ask you a question.
When you were a Muslim, how did you feel toward the Jews?
I did not feel good toward them at all
because of what I heard in the school
and what I heard from the government.
Oh, they took over, they bought all those land for cheap,
and they invaded the Palestinian.
And every time we would look at the news,
there was one video that showed that this Israeli soldier
was breaking the arm of a Palestinian with the rock.
And we always had that picture,
that these are like really horrible people.
And yeah, yeah, even in Koran, I don't remember,
but it didn't really talk good about the Jewish people
and then how they walked with Moses.
We were in our Islamic class in our school,
they were telling us that they hurt Moses so bad.
Moses was always angry at them.
This is a nation that they are not good people at all.
You know?
And then I came to America, and when I got saved,
I said, oops, my Jesus is Jewish.
You know?
Yeah.
My Jesus is Jewish.
And then immediately this humongous love came to my heart.
Then I realized, of course,
Islam came about 600 something years after Christianity.
And all the stories we heard about the Moses
and Abraham and everything,
they were all the crooked version,
a twisted version of the real story.
Right.
You know?
And then the Lord always told me, he said, never look back.
Think about where you came out of.
Always look forward and look at me.
Beautiful.
And he didn't allow me even to ponder
about what part of Quran was wrong.
How can I argue with people?
He said, always tell people who I am to you.
You don't have to look back.
Beautiful.
And it was a humongous discovery.
Again, I'm not comparing myself or anyone like me to Paul,
but look what happened to Paul.
Yeah.
You know, he got hit, and then the Lord opened his eyes
and the revelation that came out of him
is like out of the darkness, he came to this amazing light.
You know, the Lord recently, after we came back from Israel,
I heard the father, almost audible, and it was so strong.
This is what he said.
Maybe the listeners, they could pray the same prayer
because father said, ask me to break the spirit of Allah
and charm of Buddha.
And I'm like, what?
What, what?
What did he say?
Because the spirit of Allah is bigger than Islam.
It was the spirit of Allah that created that religion.
Right.
He said, ask me to break the spirit of Allah
and charm of Buddha.
And then we have this neighbor here.
He's amazing.
He's a revelation or person is like,
he's genius in revelation.
He said, Cameron, you know what is the spirit of Allah
and charm of Buddha?
I said, no.
He said, it's a false lion and a false lamb.
Wow.
Allah, Allah is a false lion and Buddha is a false lamb.
Wow.
See, Satan had to create something, a lion and a lamb.
Islam is like that, like the picture of a lion.
And then Buddha is just the picture of this lamb.
And it's so interesting.
The Lord said, ask me to break the spirit of Allah
and charm of Buddha.
Wow.
Isn't that amazing?
It just came out of nowhere and it rhymed too.
And I'm like, huh?
And I've been asking him here and there
and he's gonna break it.
He's gonna break those two spirits.
Would you just take a moment right now on this podcast
and just ask that and we'll agree with you?
Yes.
Father, you asked me, you said, ask me.
That means your children,
the one that they're listening now,
they have your ear.
You said, ask me.
Now we are asking you to break the spirit of Allah
and charm of Buddha both.
Yes.
Charm of Buddha.
Yes, Father.
Thank you, Father.
Thank you that you will do that.
If you look at the news, now the younger generation,
they are not toward Buddha, it's almost like that way.
Everything is okay, everything is fine.
Humanity, love, socialism, everything.
It's like almost that spirit that came as a spirit of Buddha
is changing its shape and just coming.
Always peace, but there is no peace in that spirit.
Do whatever you want to do.
And then, anyway, I don't wanna get into that,
but the Lord simply said, ask me to break those spirits.
And we could ask him because it's those spirits
that they're binding nations and working
in the heart of so many generations.
But again, I'm not every day asking him,
every day I'm just looking at him and I love my God,
I love my Lord.
My focus is love, loving him and being loved by him.
But here and there, I ask.
Here and there when he reminds me, I ask those things
because I don't want anybody to get caught up
with this even prayer and keep focusing in those things.
That's not healthy also.
Focusing in the darkness, just be focused
in our father in heaven.
And like you said in the beginning,
we start, Moses said, show me your ways.
I think we could say now, show me your heart
because we are after thousands of years.
He started by his ways, but we can say, show me your heart.
Like you said, show me your heart.
For the group of people we call Muslims.
Show me your heart for Iranians,
show me your heart for Palestinian
before getting into politic.
Amen.
But heart for the person.
Yes, yes.
Because that's how he got you.
He got you by the heart.
He got me by the heart, exactly.
Got me by the heart.
So beautiful.
Now, when we were talking before we started recording,
you mentioned something about the number of people
in Iran that are for the current regime
and the number that are not for the current regime.
Iran has about 80 million population.
The population is about 80 million.
90% of the 80 million, they are not with the regime.
10%, they're absolutely with the regime.
Wow.
As far as my experience goes
and my connection to people in Iran, 10%,
even if you go in the street,
what you see on the news is the 10%.
Death to America, death to Israel, all those riots.
You can even see them by their beard
and the way they look, their eyes.
I encourage people just to go to Google or YouTube.
Just put the young people of Iran or just put Tehran
and what you see, you will be amazed.
You would never see those people in any riot
because the way they dress, the way they look
is so different.
You would never see any of those people in the riot.
It's just only 10% that they have been deceived.
I'm not saying evil, they're evil, but the 10%,
almost like Pharisees.
Sure.
Almost like Pharisees.
But if God can get ahold of Paul, Saul of Tarsus,
who was a Pharisee of the Pharisees,
there is hope for some of these that are in the regime.
There are those, I've heard testimonies of people
that were in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard
and God got ahold of them.
Jesus met them.
He got ahold of them.
Yes, because- And their lives are changed.
Yeah, when the Lord shows up, what are you gonna say?
Right.
You cannot help it, but get on your knees.
Yeah. You cannot help it.
Yeah.
So we need to have even a heart of compassion
for the ones that are the 10%.
Yeah.
Which is very hard to have a heart of compassion, but yes.
Well, our father has a heart of compassion.
That's why I'm asking for his heart.
Exactly.
Yes, we have his heart and then we have all we need.
Yeah, it's true.
It's true.
So what about the biblical and historic connection
between Iran and Israel?
Mm, that's a great question.
Suzy has way more information than I do
because she was so interested. That's your wife.
Yes, Suzy, my wife.
She studied.
But it's very clear, Iran for thousands of years
was friend of Israel, also throughout the Bible.
It was always friend of Israel.
Even the Shah of Iran, which is the King of Iran,
he was replaced by Khomeini in 1978.
He was a friend, an ally of Israel,
meaning the history of Iran was always great with Israel
and the history changed for the first time 44 years ago
when Islamic regime took over.
And they hated because the spirit of Islam hates, hates,
hates Israel.
Yeah.
And the Islamic regime took over
and this hatred has its root in Iran for 44 years.
However, the Lord, I don't think he sees that.
He sees the history of that country,
how much they blessed the nation of Israel for thousands
of years.
That's why I believe Iran is the very first country
in the Middle East that has this amazing massive movement
of the Lord Jesus Christ showing up to them.
Because when Khomeini came and took over in 1978,
Christian population was about,
I heard about 90 to a hundred thousand Armenian.
They were not converted.
They were Armenian Christian living in Iran.
Yeah, so they were born Christians.
They were born Christian.
That doesn't mean they were, really they met Jesus.
They inherited Christianity, right?
Yeah.
Some of them, I'm sure they knew Jesus,
but you know, you inherit Christianity.
Like a lot of people in America, they inherited Christianity.
That doesn't mean completely they met Christ.
And then now in less than 44 years,
the population of Christianity underground church grew
minimum of three million to some people say seven million.
Wow.
From 90,000.
And I believe that has its root in Iran
blessing Israel all those years.
Oh yeah, because?
Jesus is showing up to them
because they always blessed Israel.
Yeah.
And if they bless Israel,
what did the Lord promise to Abraham?
I will bless those who bless you.
I bless you.
It's the same thing now.
It's the same thing.
That doesn't mean even, you know, some people say,
okay, if I bless Israel now,
then I have to curse the Palestinian.
No.
No, no, that's not what you do.
You don't.
Yeah.
Not at all.
We still bless Israel apart from the politic
and the politician, we still that nation.
The Lord loves that nation
because the way I see it is the first nation.
Sure.
And to be honest, a lot of the Palestinians
and a lot of the people of the Middle East
all the way up into Afghanistan, into India, into Burma,
a lot of them are the dispersed of Israel.
Yes.
And some were forced to become Muslims.
You force the first generation
and the second generation falls in line a little more.
The third generation, you've got them.
Iran, the whole country of Iran was forced to be a Muslim.
Yeah.
They were forced.
Yeah.
That's a kind of colonization.
It is.
So tell us what the Lord is saying to you these days
because God is using you to send messages
over the internet and over satellite.
TV.
Satellite TV.
Tell us a little bit about what you're doing.
I just recorded four programs today.
We have a studio very close to our house
and it's a TV studio I record here.
And it was a long journey to get here.
I used to go to Dallas, Texas to record.
There are three major satellite station, TV.
In the Middle East, or even when you go to Middle East,
you will see all those satellite dishes everywhere.
Sure.
And they don't have like, you know,
dish network or whatever we have.
If you buy the satellite,
then you get all these free programs.
Wow.
And there are hundreds of channels
that goes from the West to the East and to the Middle East.
Three of those, huge one.
One is Sat 7, another one is Channel 7, which is different.
Another one is another channel called Mohebbat,
which is love.
There are three major 24 seven satellite station, TV,
that goes to the homes of millions of people.
Wow.
In Farsi, 24 seven, no commercial, it's all Christianity.
Wow, and Farsi is the language of Iran.
And Farsi is the language, yeah.
Yes, it goes there, it goes to Afghanistan also.
It goes to Europe, if anybody in Europe,
they are Persian, you know, even to North Africa.
And the Lord graciously opened the door.
Susie and I, we are in all three of those satellite.
Glory to God.
Yeah, as much as we create program and worship music,
worship video, different programs.
While I was talking to you today in the beginning,
before we recorded, I just sent four program to Cypress,
that I recorded today.
And this is gonna be broadcast,
and millions of people, they will watch it through TV.
And for like last 11 years, I've been doing this.
And the whole 11 years is the same thing.
I really, the Lord, the Father allowed me to a degree,
experience His heart.
And I just talk about the Father's heart.
And what I have seen, what I have heard,
is not any kind of a systematic biblical teaching.
It's me telling His stories.
And of course I use Bible, but it's like,
I'm like a storyteller.
Sometimes I laugh so hard, sometimes I cry so hard.
And I think sometimes my honesty may even maybe,
hopefully break some religious stuff of people.
Just I'm extremely honest when it comes to God.
In my real life, I may not allow you to see a lot,
but when I talk about God, I'm just extremely honest.
I'm extremely honest about my shortcoming
when it comes to God.
I'm just, I think when you talk to Muslim people,
kind of the Lord taught me to be this way,
because they are coming out of one religion.
You don't want to take them to another religion.
You don't want to do that, you know?
We don't want Christianity to be a religion.
Exactly, it's a relationship.
This living relationship with the Father
and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
as much as I have seen, I share.
And it's been years and years of amazing experience
of sharing the heart of the Father.
It's like when the cameras start,
it's like something comes over me.
And I'm like, wow, I didn't see that before.
Where did that come from?
Hey, let me tell you this, speaking of being honest.
You know, the Lord shares these things with you, of course.
He gives you all these gifts, and after a while,
you get puffed up like, wow, all these revelation
that is coming out of me, whoa.
And then you talk to people and you could hear the audience.
Wow, okay.
We started going to this church recently,
like six months ago.
They're close friends of ours,
but it's a kind of a large-sized church,
more than a thousand people.
And we started going there, they're so happy.
We've known each other for more than 20 years,
and that's our home church now.
And then pastor asked me, hey, Cameron,
we have a group of people, it's a men's gathering.
Would you share some?
You know, we are getting all the businessmen from the city.
We do this four times a year.
Would you share some, like 15 minutes, your testimony,
and then I could speak?
Sure, of course, it's my testimony.
I've shared it many times.
I go there, I get the mic, something came over me.
I could not open my mouth.
I started blabbing, like really blabbing,
and then my tongue got so parched,
and I could hear it, it's like someone put the glue
in my mouth, and I couldn't even get my testimony out.
Oh my.
I was standing there in front, and the pastor,
you know, he was so proud for me to stand there
because he was introducing me to church, nothing.
And then I felt the Lord wants me to be honest.
I said, guys, something is happening to me.
Never happened to me before.
I cannot say anything.
I don't know what's happening to me,
but I'm not gonna panic.
I know the Lord is so deep inside me.
I cannot feel him.
I feel like he just left, but I'm gonna allow you
for 10 minutes to really see what's happening here with me.
And I was so vulnerable.
And then people came to me, and they really thanked me
at the end.
They said, that was so honest.
But anyway, I was so suffering out there,
and two things happened that night that I can see.
I've been asking the Lord to release me from shame.
I felt that night I was released from shame
because I was put in a very shameful position,
extreme shameful.
And later on, he showed me I released you from shame, too.
I felt he was showing me that like,
it was good for you to know that it's me.
If I do not give you, you're not gonna, yeah.
That was in a very good, I don't wanna say stanking,
but he did, he killed two birds with one stone that night.
And it's like, anyway, he's so amazing.
He's so incredible.
But then after a month, I was again, I was asked,
I just had my knee replaced.
And two weeks after my knee replacement,
they asked me long time ago, they put me in a Sunday morning
and I went with my limping with my crotches.
I went there in a state of weakness.
But Lord Jesus, the anointing that came that day,
anointing, it was out of this world.
Same people saw me, could not talk.
And then this anointing, that is our father.
And when I'm on the TV in the Middle East,
that's what I share.
The deep, deep honesty and the walking with this God,
you never know what's gonna happen.
It's true.
You never know.
So what kind of feedback do you get?
People cannot really call back,
but whenever they call the TV stations,
the government, they hear all the call.
But maybe out of 100 or maybe out of 1,000 people call.
My brother, when he was in Iran,
he called me, we were talking and he got arrested.
Oh my.
Heyman, the one that you met him.
Yeah.
He came, yeah.
But because of that, people are so afraid.
But we still, the TV station gets a lot of calls and emails.
People are meeting God.
People are meeting God and it's amazing what's happening.
Glory to God.
So you're just sharing the love of the father.
I just share the love of the father
with extreme honesty and vulnerability.
Wow.
Because there's no father in Islam.
Not really, no.
There's a creator God.
And I really think that the actual creator is listening
when they're addressing their prayers to the creator.
Yeah.
They're using the wrong name,
but when they're talking from their hearts
to the creator, he is listening
and he's gonna answer in a way that they don't expect,
I think that.
Exactly.
Because you didn't find like you were getting any answers
from Allah, were you?
No.
I could always feel God is looking at me
even from a young age, but now when I look back,
it was our father looking at me and I could feel it.
Yeah.
He was looking at me and he was protecting me.
It was our father that was protecting me.
Yes.
But you didn't have any idea that he was father, right?
No, no, not at all.
There's no inclination like that.
There's no teaching like that.
No, no, no, it was protection.
It wasn't love.
It was, I could feel some protection.
Wow.
There's no concept of love at all.
Like God is love.
Well, what do you mean God is love?
Yeah.
God is God.
You know, here people say God is good.
And I'm like, what do you mean God is good?
We are just bringing him down to the level of human goodness.
Was he good to Peter when he was crucified upside down?
Was he good to Paul when his head was chopped out
after all those years?
Was he good to Moses after 40 years,
not allowing him to go to promised land?
Do you want me to go on and on and on?
God is good.
Let God be God.
God is God.
Wow.
God is God.
That's a good perspective.
God is God.
Because what is my goodness and your goodness?
Our perspective is so small of goodness.
Yes.
Was he good to his own son?
Not to answer his prayer on the cross,
father remove the scuff?
Was he good to his son?
God is God.
Just allow him to be himself.
Allow him to be.
I remember I shared part of that when Sister Gwen was there.
I always remember.
I shared that part too.
It's hard for me because I want him to be good to me
in a human way.
Good to me.
Yeah.
Was he good to Mother Teresa?
Mother Teresa had some kind of a union with God
before she really answered the call
to go to the poorest of the poor.
When she started her ministry, all of it was gone.
All of it.
All she had was darkness.
She got to a place that she even said,
I don't think there is any heaven anymore.
Oh my.
Yeah.
But because she was a Catholic,
she has to write her confession to her superior.
Uh-huh.
And those letters became a book later on.
And the Catholic Church believes that she,
the Lord, her ministry was to really feel
what the Lord felt in the Garden of Gethsemane.
She would say the first of Christ.
Anyway, it's a mystery, but is God good?
He gives you a calling.
You have union with God, and all of a sudden it's all gone.
It's the mystery.
It's the mystery, you know?
Yeah, it is a mystery.
A mystery.
To be comfortable with this mysterious Christ.
You remember in a beginning,
he would answer all the prayer.
He was there.
It was honeymoon.
And all of a sudden he's like, where did you go?
Yeah.
What happened?
I used to pray.
I promise you, when I gave my heart to the Lord,
I would go outside.
I could move the cloud with my hands.
Wow.
Really, I could.
But it's like, what happened to those things?
What?
Wow.
It's amazing.
He's just a mysterious father.
And then I used to be able to access him through my feeling,
but now he's so deep inside me.
Most of the time I can't even access that.
And he told me, don't panic.
I'm going really deep.
I'm like, what are you doing?
He's hiding right down there.
Yeah, I'm trying to figure you out.
Can you just stop?
You're just like our technology.
Just keep changing in me.
Can we just get comfortable?
With me just?
But that is like, you know, he tells his disciple,
eat my flesh, drink my blood.
I mean, you're Jewish.
Are we cannibal?
You know?
And then he tells them, do you want to eat?
They're like, somehow what you say doesn't make sense.
We're Jewish, don't you know?
But we're in love.
What you say, there is so much life in it.
It doesn't make sense.
Where the heck are we going to go?
We are yours.
We are just, it's the same thing.
Have you figured him out?
Did Sister Gwenshaw figure God out?
Oh, no.
Can anybody figure him out?
But we are so in love with him, so deep.
It's like, you're the oxygen.
You're my oxygen.
I cannot breathe without you.
Yeah.
You know, it's like, that's anyway,
I get passionate sometimes talking about him.
I think Sharon has something to insert right at that spot.
Yeah.
I think that's really.
I was already thinking of it before,
but you just opened the door.
Some years ago, quite a few years ago now,
I had this experience in the spirit where
I began to understand that the presence of God
was like oxygen.
And it's not something that you can sense
with your five senses, but it's all around you
and you can't live without it.
And that's what the presence of God is.
So I was asking these people that have been to heaven
and have experienced him.
And I told the one about it and he said,
yeah, yeah, oxygen is the presence of God.
So I asked this other one, Dean Braxton,
that spent an hour and 45 minutes in heaven.
And he said, well, you could say that,
but I think it would be more accurate to say
that oxygen is the love of God.
It's beautiful.
So since then, I have been trying to remember to practice
that when I breathe in, like when I'm,
especially if I'm in prayer, but all the time,
all the time, like you breathe
without knowing you're breathing,
there's this involuntary thing that keeps going on
because you have life in you.
Even the Hebrew word for life has to do with breathing.
The word for spirit, the word for your soul
has to do with breathing.
So he's the one who gives us life.
So it's his love that is keeping us going,
whether we're aware of it or not.
But when I'm in prayer or when I'm just trying
to even relax to go to sleep,
I'll start to just breathe in his presence.
Oh, and the other thing that he showed me way back then
was that when he created Adam,
he created him with the idea that we breathe in his presence
and we breathe out worship.
That was how we're designed, to breathe in of his presence.
So we're supposed to be breathing in his love
and breathing out worship.
Well, when we breathe out worship,
it changes the atmosphere.
And when we change the atmosphere,
it creates a space where others can be impacted.
The more we worship, the greater our space of atmosphere
is that we're impacting.
So true.
And that, what I heard was it's as a result
of breathing him first, then breathe out worship.
Exactly.
When you go and see it in a museum,
you see this amazing painting, almost like it takes
your breath away.
You breathe in what you see.
Literally, this is what we do.
We are like, ah.
They call it breathtaking.
That was breathtaking.
You are taking a breath.
It causes you to breathe.
That's what I heard you were saying.
You know, you just, you know, that's like,
you're breathing him in.
And then of course you're like, oh my God,
this is so amazing, this painting is so,
same thing with the Lord.
Yes, yes.
It's inspirational.
Inspire, you get the word spirit in that.
Yeah.
You know, the word spirit in Latin or Greek, both, I think,
is like spiritu or something like that.
So inspiration is breathing in.
You're inspired.
Hallelujah.
Talking about him and his nature is so good, isn't it?
It is.
Versus talking about politic.
Absolutely, absolutely.
But you know, really the reason why I asked you to come on
this podcast was to give people, our listeners,
a window into Iran.
Because we hear all about the regime
and we hear all about the evil
and we hear all about the anti-Semitism
and the hatred toward Israel.
And I wanted people to hear the love of God for Iran
and for the Muslim people.
Yes.
And you've helped us with that.
Thank you.
Thank you for allowing me to share.
Would you pray for our listeners?
Yes, absolutely.
Father, thank you for today.
As our sister said, Sister Sharon said that,
you take our breath away.
I ask that you allow our listeners to really be a part
of your heart for the nation of Iran
and Muslim people in general that they never seen.
And they would not look at Iran or the Muslim people,
but they would look at your heart,
just like a mirror.
And they would look at your heart and say,
we never saw that part of your heart
for that particular group of people.
Yes.
And I already feel that has already happened, Father.
And we thank you for that.
We thank you Father, for showing your heart
for a group of people.
And most of all Father, thank you so much today,
because when we see your heart,
before we even see another group of people,
we are like, you're so amazing.
Is this how you see people?
Then we fall in love even more with you.
We say, wow, I'm sure in the crowd
when they brought the so-called prostitute
and then people they were watching and Jesus said,
if you do not have sin, go ahead and cast the first stone.
I'm sure there were people there, they are like,
who is this man?
Because they saw the heart of Christ.
It's like, who are you?
Yes.
They were not really looking at Mary.
They were looking at that, oh, Mary now,
she's not gonna die.
They were mesmerized by you.
Same thing, when we look at your heart
concerning other people, you're first mesmerized by you.
You're like, really?
And that's what I want first to happen
for all of us and the listeners,
to really, their breath be taken in a good way
by looking at your heart and say, is that who you are?
Is that how you are?
Wow.
And then fall more in love with you.
Yes.
We just ask for that kind of love
because sometimes I try to love people, it doesn't work.
The more I come back and cultivate my love relationship
with you, then I could love people.
Yes. Again, it goes back to our love relationship
with the heart of God.
I just bless the love relationship, Father,
with your heart.
Yes, Lord.
And thank you for this moment,
because when you were talking,
there were moments that they were just like in awe.
I just wanted just to be quiet and allow even the silence
to just minister to people.
Because you're so amazing, you're so incredible.
Thank you, Lord.
Thank you, Father.
Thank you, Lord.
Thank you, Father.
Without you, we can do nothing.
We give you glory.
Yes, thank you, Father.
Thank you for giving us a peek into your heart.
Lord, connect our hearts to yours
so that you can flow through us by your Spirit.
In Jesus' name.
Amen.
Do you have books now?
You have one book.
Do you have more than one?
I have that old book that I had.
I think it's on Amazon.
But if people wanted to see what we're doing,
they could go to our website.
It's ksmovement.com.
Good.
We'll put a link in the show notes for that.
We don't completely share what we do,
because a lot of it is in a secret.
But there are things there.
It's KS Movement.
OK.
Well, I would just like to encourage people
to feel free to hear from the Holy Spirit
about supporting your ministry.
Yes.
Yes, that would be awesome, because we
are in the process of getting the blueprint done
to build a facility in our land here for our TV studio,
recording studio.
Because the place we are using, it was graciously,
they allowed us to use it for three years.
And the time is up.
We are in the process of dreaming
about building our own studio.
Yes, we need supporters.
OK.
For the building also.
Very good.
Well, I know that you are full of integrity and honesty.
Oh, thank you.
And this is good ground.
Yes.
Listener, if you want to invest in something
that is changing lives and transforming the Middle East,
this is a good place to sow your seed.
Thank you.
Well, God bless you, Kamran.
And God bless Suzy.
And we love both of you.
And look forward to the next time we can be together.
Absolutely.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
It was amazing.
I got encouraged.
Good.
Hallelujah.
Amen.
Good.
Hallelujah.
Amen.
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