What is that? What was that? I knew it had to do with healing.
I knew it had to do with healing and I knew it was connected to us,
you know,
but I didn't understand it to the fullness of the healing that was taking
place. And even today I'm still discovering the healing that
was taking place from that crown being on his head and just going up and
up and up and up.
God promises in Joel 2.28 to pour out his Spirit on all humanity.
Welcome to Global Outpouring. Are we content for that promise outpouring?
We equip for that outpouring so that we may engage in that very
outpouring. I'm Philip Bus.
And I'm Sharon Bus.
Welcome to the podcast today.
We're so happy to have with us our dear friend, Dean Braxton.
He loves to come on this podcast and begin to share some things that the Lord
hasn't given him liberty to share before.
I don't know how it is that God has blessed us so much to get the
privilege to be present as he rolls out these revelations that he has seen in
heaven that are kind of unexpected. He didn't know what to expect,
but he saw things that he wants to share with us today about the healing rays
that are coming from Jesus.
Welcome to the podcast today. Thank you so much for joining us.
And we want to really encourage you to go to our website and give us your
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But this particular one,
I believe we're going to have some things that are going to come up in your spirit
that you'll want to add to this conversation.
And we would love to have that.
And our brother Dean would love to have that if the Lord shows you any
scriptures to add to this,
because the Lord has always given him the understanding of how important it is
to have a scriptural basis for everything that he saw in heaven.
And there are things that he's not going to talk about because he doesn't know
where the scriptures are. But there are things that we're going to talk about
today that we're discussing and digging for the scriptures that maybe we've
missed something and the Lord is showing it to you,
a scripture that we can use to help to understand,
as Dean shares with us on this podcast, things that he saw in heaven.
It's wonderful, Brother Dean, to have you back with us again.
It just is such a privilege.
We feel so honored and privileged and humbled that you would take time with us,
that the Lord has opened up this opportunity for us to communicate together
and for you to bring some of the things that the Lord hasn't permitted you to
bring at other times.
So thanks and welcome to the Global Outpouring Podcast today.
Well, thank you for having me.
It's always a privilege to be able to do this with you and my brother Phil.
And my brother Phil, you know, I always look at it this way, Sharon.
You know, when Jesus said to me, no, it's not your time, go back.
I take that statement very seriously, not in the sense of me
just coming back to the planet.
But then the next thing I always say, and you've heard me say it,
he knew each and every person that I was going to come in contact with.
I really believe, you know, the Bible says our steps are ordered by the Lord.
Having this experience and seeing things from that perspective,
I really do believe my steps are ordered by the Lord.
And I can tell, I don't know about you, I can tell when I'm out of those steps.
It's very seldom I got out of them.
But there were ones where I got out of them and there were consequences.
But I'm not staying in the steps because there's consequences.
I really do want people to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
You know, and I have the privilege of having that focus
in such a way that I get the opportunity to go, you know, throughout the United States
and around the world, as Gwen did, you know, back in the day, you know,
to share how much Jesus loves people.
Yes. Absolutely.
This is one avenue that I get to do it through your organization in this program.
Wow. We're just excited and delighted every time we get to have you on this podcast.
Because God keeps revealing things that are, they're revelatory.
And to me, they're life changing.
It's like, oh, I get a new perspective.
Oh, yeah.
It's like the light comes on.
So let's dive right in.
When you had your experience where you left your body and your body died,
and you went to be with the Father and Jesus.
Tell us something about your experience and what really struck you about seeing Jesus.
Tell us some things about Jesus.
I'm not interested in what color his hair was or what color his eyes were.
I want to know about the relational things that happened and what what impressed you
and what struck you.
That's a very good question.
I was talking to someone just today on the phone, and I said one of the questions I always get
because I'm a good question and answering at his church, and we were setting that up.
I said, people always want to know what Jesus looks like.
And I always tell people in heaven, no one's concerned what Jesus looks like.
You know, and the best way for me to describe it, he's more beautiful than you can imagine.
And every moment, by the time you probably grasp he's beautiful, he's more beautiful than that.
And so it's it's I try my best to describe the physical appearance of him because people want to compare
that with two things, either the paintings that they've seen or they want to compare it to a vision
that they had or a dream they had of Jesus.
But the reality of it is when you get to heaven, no one's really thinking about what Jesus looks like.
They're looking at the essence of Jesus and experiencing the love he has for them.
And I feel like sometimes in trying to describe the physical appearance of Jesus, I'm doing him a dishonor
because it's not about his appearance.
You know, if you read the Bible, when Thomas said, unless I see the nail prints in his hand and put my hand
in his side, I'm not going to believe. And then yet when he did show up in the book of John, Thomas wanted
to renege on his statement because he just and the love that was this overflowing for Jesus for him.
Now, he did it because Jesus said, do it.
But he didn't do it because he needed to do it.
He did it because he was told by Jesus to do it.
So when I'm trying to describe him from a physical point of view, and I know other colleagues of mine have tried
to and everyone that I know, we really feel like we're way short in trying to describe the beauty of Jesus,
because it's more than just a physical appearance.
And in heaven, he's not even looked at in that realm.
You know, you look at him because he loves you so much and you see pure love, but he is also Lord of Lord
and King of Kings.
And so he's honored in that way by every creation there in heaven.
And one of the things that really got me in looking at Jesus, and there's so many, you know, even talking to you
right now, I'm visually in my head seeing him.
And as I'm looking at him, I'm wowing about this, you know, the love that came from his feet.
I'm wowing that his hands, even though they have the nail prints and the love and the glory that was coming
from his hands, and yet his entire body was was glowing with light that was so engulfing me.
That it felt like he was hugging me every moment I was looking at him and, you know, and looking into his eyes
and getting lost.
I will probably not even come even an inch close to what you're describing, looking into the eyes of Jesus
and getting lost in that.
Even talking to you right now, I feel like I got lost.
I can see it on your face.
I was hoping you'd still be able to talk.
Yeah, yeah, so I have to move on from those things.
But then I also looked on top of his head and people always ask me, you know, what color is his hair?
And John did a really good job in describing that in the Book of Revelation.
And so, you know, I don't really want to try to one up him by trying to describe it a different way that he did.
It wasn't hanging down, so I couldn't tell you that it was this long or that long or anything like that.
The way out thing is there's nothing dead in heaven and our hair on the planet are dead particles,
but our hair in heaven is not dead.
So it's how do you describe hair that's not dead in a place where everybody else's hair is dead, you know?
Wow.
So, you know, that's hard to put into words.
But what really got me was on his head, I say was like a crown.
And it would be more like a crown that we would see, you know, the kings and queens of Europe have on.
And because of just the way it went up, I'm not saying that's really what it is.
That's the closest I can come to describing what I saw.
But it really looked like someone took the sun and just kind of like placed it on his head.
And the rays were just going up and up in the atmosphere, up.
And I hate to use that atmosphere because that's what we use on the planet, but up into the into the heavenly skies.
That's a better way of probably putting it.
And when they were going up, they were spreading out.
So it wasn't like they were just going up in one singular direction in a sense of one tube this way and it stayed a tube.
It was like shooting out all over the place, like the sun, like a light would shine up.
But each one had the distinctions to it.
And so these rays were coming off of that crown and going up and his hair was wrapped around the lights, the rays that were going up.
And, you know, everything has a significance.
And so at the moment, I really when I came back, I was trying to describe that.
And I knew that that had a significance.
The crown on his head had a significance.
The rays going up had a significance.
The hair wrapped around the rays as they were going up, had a significance.
And the only thing I could remember saying within the first few days of coming back and describing that was they were healing in those rays.
And those rays, I knew were connected to the earth.
I knew they were going up and connected to the earth.
And it really got me because I knew that.
And it was way outside of anything I could ever think of, anything I could ever say, anything I could even imagine would be happening in heaven was to see that crown like sun.
And it was on top of Jesus's head with the hair around it and the rays just going out.
And they were no end to it.
It wasn't like I could look up and say, whoa, it ends right there.
It ends right there.
They were just going out and kept on going.
Now, in heaven, no one was wowing about it like we would be wowing about it here on the planet.
You know, no one would say, whoa, look at all those rays go up there.
What's going on?
That type of thing.
You know, even me to the extent as I saw it, really where I was wowing was mainly when I was in my hospital room and I was thinking about it.
Yeah.
And there were so many things I was thinking about.
But that was one of the things that I was kind of like, what is this?
What was that? I knew it had to do with healing.
I knew it had to do with healing and I knew it was connected to us, you know, but I didn't understand it to the fullness of the healing that was taking place.
And even today, I'm still discovering the healing that was taking place from that crown being on his head and just going up and up and up and up, you know, and it went out of heaven.
So it didn't stop in heaven and it's like, what do you say, confined to the heavenly realm.
It was coming to this planet, you know, and I knew that it was just I knew that I knew that I knew.
And so and I don't know why I said healing, you know, I didn't have anything in my past, a Bible study, anything anyone's ever preached to me about a crown being on Jesus's head that looked like the sun that had healing in it.
You know, and the hair was wrapped around. I had no thought of that anywhere inside of me into that moment when I saw that there with Jesus.
And so, you know, it was one of those things. I wouldn't say I was complex because I've never really been complex about anything that happened in heaven.
It's either you accept it or you don't accept it.
We had the opportunity some years back. We were in London and we went to see the crown jewels and it was the most astounding thing.
You know, to look at all the these magnificent crowns and orbs and scepters and full of diamonds and all these precious stones that are just all priceless.
Wow.
But I thought, you know, this can't compare to the glory of what you saw.
Yeah.
You know, it's the less Earth could offer, you know, in London.
But even you talking about that field, it gives more of a perspective to it.
You know, the jewels, you know, because we're connected to that crown.
Each and every person that's born again on this planet is connected to that crown.
And the jewels, you know, on that crown that you just talked about are precious.
You know, they're priceless.
You know what I mean?
Yes, we could say they're worth a billion, two billion, but in reality, they're priceless to the people that have them.
Sure.
Does that make sense to you?
Yes.
So even saying that, you know, you say that I just was just kind of like, wow, you know, more things were kind of opening up for me on that.
But that was one of the things that when I came back to the planet, I was just like, what was that all about?
I'm serious. I don't remember ever reading anything like that.
And even John, when he discusses in Revelation, he doesn't really, you know, the throne piece, he talks about something similar.
But I was like, oh, that is something, you know what I mean?
That Jesus would have that light like crown on his head that looked like the sun, but it was just like, oh, that's a crown.
And he had that light on his head that looked like the sun with its rays going up and his hair wrapped around the rays.
And, you know, it has something to do with healing.
And the closest scripture I came to it, and we looked it up earlier, was a scripture that was found in Melikai, the fourth chapter, the second verse, where it says,
and I'll read it out, the King James version first, and then read it in the New English translation.
And I like to read that the New English translation says it.
But for you who respect by name, the son of vindication will rise with healing wings and you will skip about like calves release from the stall.
And I thought, wow, this is powerful. When I first read that, and I didn't go looking for this, I'm just a Bible reader.
I always want people to know that. And I read it and I understood what the SUE meant.
It was talking about that crown on top of Jesus's head. You know, in the old days, if you would have quoted that to me, I would have said S-O-N, not S-U-N.
You know what I'm saying? My first natural thought was you're talking about the son S-O-N, but that's S-U-N in vindication.
And if you if you look those things up a little bit more, they're talking about healing people, people being actually healed.
Mentally and physically being healed, you know.
And so, Sharon, you had some other scriptures that you looked up today.
What was Isaiah 61? Wasn't it?
Yes, Isaiah 60, verses one and two says, Arise, shine, for your light is come.
And the glory, the kavod, the glory, that's a weighty heaviness of the Lord is risen upon you.
For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth and gross darkness the people, but the Lord Yehovah shall rise upon you and his glory, his kavod shall be seen upon you.
And the Gentiles shall come to your light and kings to the brightness of your rising.
That's verses one through three. And I believe it's at least threefold.
I think it's talking to Jesus because he's rising and shining like you've just described in heaven.
It's also speaking of Israel, God has promised this to Israel and we Gentiles have been grafted in.
So it applies to us as well that, you know, here we are in a time where we've got gross darkness going on the earth.
Right. And gross darkness on the people.
And it's time for us to arise and shine and bring that healing.
Just to make a comment about the scripture that you used in Malachi,
that one in particular where it says that he will have healing in his wings,
that word wings in the Hebrew can also be translated as corners.
Yes.
And it can refer to the corners of the Talit or the corners where the strands, they call it in Hebrew tzitzit,
that God commanded the children of Israel to make these tassels like, and they tie them in such a way that it has the same number of knots as there are commandments.
Wow.
And so when the woman with the issue of blood reached out and touched the hem of Jesus garment,
she was probably reaching out and touching the tzitzit, the tassel on his prayer shawl or just, you know, whatever they were using in those days.
I'm not sure exactly what it was, but the healing came to her through that corner of his tassel.
Now, what about Jerus's daughter? The father, the custom was he laid the Talit over the child.
Yes, that the child would have been wrapped in it.
And Jesus spoke to the Talit.
Yes.
He said, Talitakumi, he spoke to the Talit.
To arise.
Yeah, arise, Talit.
And the child arose.
And the child was under the Talit.
Yeah, the child arose inside of it.
So there's another picture of healing and healing in the rays of the sun.
Okay. I've got another scripture for that.
And that is in Habakkuk chapter three, where it says in, I'm going to bring verses three and four,
God came from Timan or from the south and the Holy One from Mount Paran,
Silah.
So you stop and think about it.
Picture, picture God coming from this place.
His glory covered the heavens and the earth was full of his praise.
Yes.
And his brightness or brilliancy or clear shining was as the light.
And he had, now this is King James, and he had horns coming out of his hand,
but that word horns can also be translated bright beams.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
So there you've got these bright beams coming out of his hand and there was the hiding of his power.
So in other words, his power was hidden in his side until he was pierced on the cross.
Right.
And out came the blood and the water and all of those things that in his piercing,
in the beating that he took that caused what you saw of the blood spurting as a mist.
That's where we have our healing.
All of the healing power that was in him as I see it, as he was on the cross and as he took that beating,
all of that power of healing that was in him was being released into the earth's atmosphere
to be available to us to access for healing.
Wow.
Well, that goes along with what I was saying that I really believe just that each and every one of us
is connected to that being that was coming from those crowns.
You know what I mean?
And it's not like the beam will fall upon.
What I was thinking or seeing rather was that not that the beam was like covering you and Phil together,
but you had your beam and Phil has his beam.
Each person had their own being that was connected to Jesus.
Sure.
So it wasn't a blanket beam, just like I talk about a blanket love.
It literally was a beam of healing that was given to that person so that they can express that in the planet.
Does that make sense to you?
Oh yeah.
You know, so it wasn't that each person, you know, like sometimes people say, well, the mantle,
I want that mantle or I want this.
And it wasn't like you're taking something from somebody else or like wind left you guys something.
You have your own that was created just for you.
And it's coming from the Lord Jesus Christ.
You know, I think that's why we hear, you know, we lay hands on the sick, they will recover.
And that's not a gift in the sense of like people say the gift of healing,
but Jesus is literally giving that ability in each and every born again person, you know, to have.
And some may say, what about those that are not born?
They have not accessed that light for them to be able to express what Jesus Christ has created for them
to be able to do on the planet. You know, hugging to me is great and I love doing it,
but I'm a two for hugger. One is to receive from the person, but also one is to give.
And I'm praying that when I hug someone that I'm releasing that healing or whatever needs to be done
with that person from me to them. You know, I remember coming back and being in the hospital room.
I think I may have said this story before and I knew that something was on me and I wanted to give it away
to everybody and anybody. So I hugged everybody in those first few days of me coming back and being in my body
because I wanted to impart in them something. Now, what, if you ask me what it was, I cannot tell you.
I just knew it was good and I wanted to give it to them.
And to the point that I tell you the story about the man that got healed after he broke his neck.
No, tell us.
Well, what happened was that just to set the stage a little bit, here I am in the hospital
and I'm recovering from dying, you know what I mean? And about two rooms down from me was another man
in ICU. His son and my son had been going to Christ for the Nations Bible College there in
Texas and both of them were rushing back because their dads were in trouble, me in the sense of
what happened to me and this guy because his dad had fell off a ladder or something and broke his neck.
And so he was paralyzed and he couldn't move. And so here I am in my room sitting up and the boy
and his sister come in the room to see me. My mom wanted them to come in because my mom was there,
my wife was there, my son was there and I was talking to them and everything like that.
But I knew I had something on me that I wanted to give. So I grabbed the little girl, she was 12
years old and I gave her a big hug and I said, now go hug your daddy. Okay. And she smiled and
everything and soon after that she left and she went down the hallway, which is only about two,
maybe three rooms down the hallway in ICU and she hugged her daddy and he was healed.
Glory to God. He was healed in that moment because I knew there was something on me and I was trying
to give it away to as many people as possible. And that's the same thing I'm saying here with
this crown that was on Jesus' head that looked like the sun and the light coming out. We have
things to give away in the way of healing. Now it may look different and whoever and whatever they
can receive or what it is, I always believe if I pray for someone, they're better off than when I
didn't pray for them. Now, no one else may say, well, I didn't get this and I didn't see the
manifestation here. I don't know all about that. I just know that something better was happening
for them after the prayer than before the prayer. Beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah. And I believe it has
something to do with this, this what we've been talking about. And even you're talking about those
garments because I've heard that before and most people don't go into the details that you guys
just did and they'll stop there. You know what I mean? And I thought it's more than that, but
in the symbolism that you talk about, I could see God doing that. I could just see God having,
and it's not the garment, it's the symbolism that it represents. And a lot of times we'll
start worshiping the material goods instead of looking at what God is really trying to get
across here. And maybe that's what we're doing today in this broadcast is to say there's more
to that than just the looking at the material goods. And if we think about Jesus and he said
he put on us the robe of righteousness, what would that look like? I can tell you that it looks like
a light. You know what I mean? But the reality of it, that means that we would have the same garments
you're talking about and we wear them all the time. Yes. Yes. And the thing that you've been saying
all along in trying to go deeper in connecting to the Hebrew scriptures is that the whole thing
that God gave to Moses for all of these rules and commandments and do this and don't do that,
were to establish a type and a shadow. It was to establish a symbolism. It was to establish,
here's what it looks like on the planet as an imitation of the reality of what's in heaven.
Okay. And I think what you're seeing as you're talking about this garment of this robe of
righteousness and it's light. So the corners of the tallit would be tassels which would have like
multiple strings. Yeah. Okay. So think of those multiple strings as these rays. Yes. Okay. So
the strings are like, they're extending out from this place where you meet with God. The people
who are using these, they're like putting it over their head to create a prayer closet,
to shut out the world, shut out the distractions. And they grab a hold of the corners and they hold
them while they're praying. Yeah. And I think that's like another picture of what you're talking
about, but going back to Habakkuk 3 or Habakkuk, depending on how you pronounce it, my daddy taught
me Habakkuk. So this thing about the horns or the rays coming out of his hand. Yes. I looked up that
word in the Strongs and it does mean horn, like a horn of strength, but it can also be a horn of oil
like Samuel used to anoint David. He poured the horn of oil on him. So these rays are also perhaps
representative of the anointing. Yes, they are. Okay. I agree with that, you know. So yes. And so
here's the other piece that I'm seeing is that Jesus came here as the Messiah. Okay. The word
Messiah is Moshiach in Hebrew and it means the anointed one. Yes. And the word Christ, Christos,
means the anointed one. So we as Christians are intended to be anointed ones carrying that you
and I, each one of us, every listener has their own, can I call it an umbilical cord?
Yes, you can. That connects us individually. Like, you know, if you've got multiple babies in the womb,
every one of them has their own umbilical cord. That's right. And so every single one of us has
a connection to our Father, has a connection to the anointed one. It's a connection of anointed
one, a connection of anointing, of light, of this projection of something that's coming from
heaven, from the Lord himself. He's wrapped us into that. He's connected us into that so that
we can accomplish something that's on his heart in the earth. Is that correct? Have I got that
right? And probably from my perspective at looking at that is then thinking, a lot of times people
say this, the church to church to church, well, the church is made up of individuals. So if
individuals are not doing their piece, we could make it very, what do you say, global in what
we're saying. But the reality of it is I'm asking, it's individuals that need to grab a hold of this
and run with it and understand that they have the ability through the ability of cord you were
talking about, or the rays or the tassel, to be able to do these things to help other people on
the planet. And that is for their glory is just really being a pass on of God's glory through them.
And so I could see, you know, we always talking about a great awakening or revival, but that need
to start within our own individual cells first and lift the power that's already been given to us
to flow through us for others. I could see that very much in us having this discussion about what
I saw with Jesus there. And there was a thing about it was Jesus was going along with whatever
he was doing. He wasn't concentrating on his son or the crown on his head and saying, well, is it
doing what it's supposed to be doing? Looking up and making sure the rays are still being sent out.
He wasn't even concerned in a sense, I would say, of making sure it was not linked to the side or,
you know, and he moved around. He didn't stand still, you know, he wasn't just sitting there
or anything. He was moving around and those rays still were coming from him, whatever he was doing.
You know, and then, and talking to you, I've never really described it that way with people,
with anybody I've talked about the crown and what it looked like, but the thing about Jesus,
it wasn't like he was thinking, okay, I gotta make sure this is going on. I gotta turn this on,
like switching the light. It was just natural for him to have this happening, you know, when I was
there and everybody there, it was natural to see it. It wasn't like anybody was wowing about what
was happening on his head and saying, wow, look at that. The colors changed, you know?
Wow.
Yeah.
It's like we have a spiritual umbilical cord.
Right.
Yeah.
To the inner man.
Yeah.
To the inner man. And how can we better take notice of it? And I hate to say advantage of it,
but use it in a better way than we've been doing, you know, on the planet. I don't, maybe some
places you guys have traveled more than I have through a lot of places. And so I don't, I don't
see a lot of times us using maybe what we call the gifts or the ability that we have to be able to
move forward with people and have them free, you know, you guys have any comment on that?
Well, my only thought is that it's really about the Holy Spirit. Because one of the things that
it says in the book of Acts talking about Jesus, that he was anointed with the Holy Spirit.
Right.
And when the Holy Spirit came down on him at his baptism, it came down and stayed on him. So
the anointing and the oil that comes from Holy Spirit, I love what you talk about with G5,
you know, that Galatians 5 is where we need to be focusing, at least in some part, that we are
allowing the Holy Spirit to develop the character of Jesus in us, in the fruit of love. Jesus is
that. Our Father is love and joy and peace and patience, long suffering and kindness and faith.
All of these things come forth from that oil of anointing that is in us, that is on us from the
Holy Spirit. And so I think part of our problem is that we as human beings on the planet, we're so
used to thinking and seeing in the natural realm and thinking of the, even thinking about the
business side of ministry, you know, that we forget about the importance of just letting the
Holy Spirit be and do through us. I've been talking about cooperating with the Lord, that he's the
leader, we're the follower, we flow with him. There's a beautiful picture on the cover of one
of Sister Gwen's books. It's called To Be Like Jesus. And it's a picture of two doves that are
in flight together and they're just, they're like right up against each other and every move is
going together. You know, you see that in some of these mating flights of birds, that there's a
synchronization that comes. And I think that's what this anointing is really all about is that
we synchronize with Holy Spirit, that we get in the back seat and let him drive.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm in agreement with you on the Holy Spirit. That's the game changer to me from the
Old Testament to the New Testament. Because you know, you know the story of how, yeah, he was with
them, but with us, he's in us. And so because of that, we have a whole different realm. I don't,
even talking to you right now, I'm just imagining those rays, they penetrate us. And the reason they
penetrate us is because we have the Holy Spirit on the inside of us. Because I knew it wasn't
people that were not born again. I knew that it had to be what we call those that are being
true children of God. And you have to be born again to be able that area. So Sharon, in saying
that to you and Phil, I really believe that connection is through the Holy Spirit, which
resides on the inside of us to be able to do these things. Yes. You know, and I think probably part
of my digging out things is to try to get people to connect even closer to that, which already
resides on the inside of you, which is through the Holy Spirit. This is one of the things that
God has given us through the Holy Spirit that we can go out and do, you know, lay hands on the sick
and they will recover. And it's just not physical laying hands on the sick in the sense of people
with physical ailments. It's also the emotional. I think right now in our world, emotional issues
are greater than the physical ones. Not saying that they're not there, but I've seen people be
healed and still emotionally damaged. True, true. And victimism is a big thing, as you guys know,
in our country. To be the victim in our country right now, you can run for president of the
United States and not, you know, picking on anybody. But I'm saying victimizing is huge
in the United States. And yet that is a really a mental drain on us to be victorious. Am I correct
you guys? Yes. Yes. Now tell us about that from heaven's point of view. In the sense of victims?
Yeah. Well, there's no victims in heaven. We're overcoming. You know, from a heavenly point of view,
we are overcomers in all situations. And I even, you allude to the Holy Spirit. There are things
that we'll go through, but the Holy Spirit will tell us how to go through them, to be an overcomer.
But we're not, I don't want to say we're worse off than anybody else in the century, because I
believe when Jesus Christ walked the planet, they had their issues too. Oh yeah. It was serious
persecution. There was serious persecution, but there were also perverted attitudes of society
as a whole. You know, my studies of the Roman empire, it was perverted. Absolutely. It was
nasty. It was terrible. And yet here comes Jesus Christ during that timeframe,
to shine that light in darkness. So I know people can say it's dark. No,
human beings, I think we've had those darknesses off and on throughout our
history of being on this planet. But the reality of it is still, God said, we can shine. We don't
have to be a victim. We can be a victorious person, even in those situations. And I think a lot of
times when we read in our Bible where Paul is writing, he's writing to people that are being
persecuted, pushed down, shoved around, and he's telling them, no, all things work together for
good to them that love God, to them that are called according to his purpose. You know, it's one of
the hardest scriptures for us to grasp and run with, you know, but it's inside of us because of
the Holy Spirit. And sometimes when it looks like it's the worst thing in the world, you know, I
just went through that whole thing with my daughter and when she was going through her situation and
you two know about, and everyone else is hearing about it. And I remember my plan and then God had
a different plan and my plan I thought was the best plan. And God comes up with his plan and it
makes my plan look like it would have been the worst plan. Right. Right. God did so miraculously
what he wanted to do. The only thing I can say is that when he told me my job was to say nothing,
which I didn't, and to be an armor barrier for my daughter to go through this, which I did,
you know, it made me look good. But I'll tell you the truth.
I wanted to, my plan and God had his plan and looking at that and seeing that, thinking about
all the things on the planet and what's going wrong across the world and thinking that people,
you know, here we are at least getting the broadcast about the gospels on the air in some
countries like North Korea, you do this, you're going to put in the labor camps for the next 20
or 30 years, you know, that type of thing. And so, and yet we got Christians over there loving the
Lord and still moving forward like they're victorious instead of a victim. Well, exactly.
And I think that has something to do with Jesus having been the victim for all of us.
You know, when Jesus came the first time, it was like a one world government. It was Rome.
Yeah. Yeah. And now we're hearing, we've been hearing for years about, you know, the new world
order of one world government, you know, that's been out there like 50, 60, 70, 80 years. And it's
just like history repeating itself. Yeah. Yeah. But when Jesus comes back, we're going to have a
one world government. We'll have a one world government under, but he'll be in charge.
He'll be in charge. But his government is pure and it's not like the government we have today
where we are still trying to get our way in doing things. When I was in heaven, it's a one,
you could say it's a one heavenly government. Yes, of course.
But it's not like people think you don't lose any rights. You have more rights than you ever
would have when you're on the planet. Right. You know, you have more joy than you would ever have.
You know, a pursuit of happiness, you don't have to pursue to have it happen. It's pursues you.
That's good. That sounds like Deuteronomy 28. Blessings will chase after you.
Yeah, that's right. Yes, you're right. And so when we talk about it, and I know people say,
with a heavy hand or iron, they talk about the rule. All that is is things that we should be
doing, but you'll have the ability to do them. It won't be hard for you to be like, I don't want to
do this. So I'm going to do it because if I don't, Jesus is going to come down hard on me. You know,
by thinking that way, right? Right. You're thinking like what we have to do on the planet now,
because, you know, we have that tree of knowledge that was of good and evil. And every one of us
got impacted by it. But in heaven, it is not an issue. So that's what's overtaken, it's going to
overtake this realm here, this earth here. And when it does, you're going to have a, you guys have,
I'm looking at your picture right now. It's a beautiful smile, beautiful smile. That's the norm.
Yeah, that's it. That's it. But I wanted to bring that up about that ray,
those rays on Jesus's head. I think about them quite often as I am traveling, the connection that
I have even on the planet to those rays, to be able to accomplish what God wants me to accomplish.
There's so many things that take place through us. I'm talking about you, Phil, and I'm talking
about you, Sharon, that because of being connected to Jesus with those rays, coming from, you know,
what would look like the crown, you know, on his head, man, it just, we can, we can do a whole lot
because of that in helping people through the planet. And I don't think we even realized the
magnitude of that when we're seeing things happen with people on this planet.
Yeah, that's true. You know, what you were saying about Romans 8 28, about all things working
together for good to them that love the Lord and are called according to his purpose.
I never had seen it, because we quote that by itself so often, but just not so very long ago,
I, you know, in reading it again, I can't tell you how many times I've read Romans 8, and I love the
whole chapter, but I had never really connected it with the two verses ahead of that because we
tend to put them separate. They're like two separate thoughts to us, but I believe they're
connected where it says, likewise, the spirit also helps our infirmities. Yes. For we know not what
we should pray for as we ought, but the spirit itself makes intercession for us with groanings,
which cannot be uttered or sighs that can't be expressed. Sighs too deep for words, I think,
is one of the translations. And he that searches the hearts knows what is the mind of the spirit
because he makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. And we know
that all things work together for good because he's doing that process of intercession through us.
We have no idea how each one of us just in a sigh or in a groan or, oh, oh, you know, some kind of
a sound, whether we're praying in tongues or not even, but praying in tongues is huge, huge in
causing things to work together for good. But I feel like, tell me if this is true, I feel like
our father prepared all of those details ahead of us, knowing what our choices were going to be and
the choices of all the people around us and the choices of all of our ancestors to cause all of
that to work together for good, that he's already got it planned ahead of time. Not like we have to
do it because he's planned it that way, but because he knows what our choices are going to be. But he's
already got it orchestrated so that just the right thing will be in the right place at the right time
to cause it to come together for good. If I got that right, am I understanding correctly from
Heaven's point of view? I believe that it's that way. For me, it's that way. I don't know about you guys.
Well, it probably is. I've come to the realization I don't need to know the whole
road anymore. I just need to know what he wants me to do at the moment. And so, you know, I get up
in the morning and I pray for you guys and your family and I pray for others. And during that
timeframe, I'm figuring I'm connected to my father. And one of the things is I have plans that I put
forth and then I always say, no, Lord, you have plans. I want your plans. And I don't always know
what his plans are until I'm really upon the plan. You understand what I mean? And sometimes I think,
oh man, God, you got me going a whole different direction. But there's peace in that. When I went
out to do this funeral in last memorial service rather in Seattle area, and people don't know this,
I live in Virginia and I had to be back here by Sunday. So I'm flying out Thursday to go.
And my plans are, of course, being counseled because of the bad weather that's going on.
But I was in such peace and I just remember saying to myself, I'm in this peace and I'm staying here.
Good. I don't know what the rest of the time is going to be like. I don't know, you know,
if I'm going to be able to really get back and not I had people praying and everything,
but I'm in peace and I'm staying here. So I can say to myself, you know, and it did work out,
you know, and there was no anxious moments within my body for not working out. And I got back in
time and got up the next morning, came in late, but got up the next morning and went and did what I
needed to do. And I was tired, super, super physically tired. And I remember getting up there
knowing that Jesus is going to show up. And he did, he did exactly what he was going to do.
And as soon as I was done sharing and feel, I remember going back to sit down by my wife
and it felt like someone just dropped the lead on top of me.
Wow. And, and, and people said, you should be tired. I said, I am tired. He said,
but it didn't look like you were tired up there. That's Jesus. You know, all I know is that
like you're saying about all things work for good. And, and, and those things, you know,
were operating within me and I just was in the peace and I was staying there. I didn't care
what it looked like, what people were announcing over the intercom there in the airports. I was
in peace. That was good. It stayed. Yeah. It reminds me a little like our, one of our friends
that had mentioned about, uh, it was Catherine Coleman, or she's like a, like a nervous cat to
get onto the stage, you know, and maybe what a lot of people didn't know is just, she says, I have to
get on that stage because the Holy spirit is out there. Cause I know I totally rely on him, you
know, cause without him, I am nothing. And that's why it wasn't until she got on the stage where she
had that peace and everything just flowed. That that that's really amazing. You wouldn't think that.
Yeah. You know, the, the word peace in, in Hebrew, of course, is shalom. When the Bible says in, in
the book of Isaiah, you will keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on you because he
trusts in you. And, and that word that's translated perfect peace in the Hebrew is shalom, shalom.
Mm hmm. It's, it's a double of shalom. It's not just one shalom. It's two shaloms and that, that
makes it perfect peace. And it comes from a word, of course, we, we know that it means nothing
missing and nothing broken, but it comes from a word or it's related to a word that also means
paid in full. Wow. So our friend, Claren, you know, Claren, he, he, yeah, he lived in, in Israel for
12 years and he told us that, that when he would go to pay his electric bill, for instance,
that they would stamp it, shalom. In other words, paid. Paid.
Complete. It's complete. It's done. It's been done. You know, whatever, whatever needed to be done
has been done. And that that's where, that's where we can walk in that peace because Jesus paid it all.
Wow. Yeah. I, I, that is really powerful in itself, you know, that we could do that
in that piece. I really believe us talking about it, um, Sharon and Phil, it still has something
to do with those, those lights I saw coming from Jesus's head that looked like a crowd,
you know, I, I think we're doing the tip of the iceberg on this one. Oh yeah.
I'm sure, you know, and I think as, as we're talking, other people are going to start having
things come back to mind for them, but this is on Jesus's head and there's a reason it's on the top
of his head. It's not under his feet. You understand what I mean? It's not on the side of him, but it's
on top of his head. And so, uh, this is something that's with him all the time. If he was on the
planet and he was subject to time here, we say 24 seven. Okay. But he's not a subject at time. So
I can't really say 24 seven because they don't have that there. But the reality of it is that,
it's something that he is, it is part of him. You know, when I was there, you know, I could say
my guessing is he didn't get it until after he rose from, from the grave. You understand what I
mean? Um, but I can't absolutely say that because I wasn't there before the time he rose from the
grave. Right. Right. So I could only tell you, I just knew it was a part of him that was something
that we were connected to and it had to do with healing. It's for the nations. We're literally,
have that ability to heal nations. I just, you know, one person, but nations, you know,
and I think that we would do what we were connected to do. And we see more and more healing take place
throughout the nation as a whole, just the, and I think it's driven by the Holy Spirit within us.
Like you were saying, you know, the Holy Spirit on the inside of us, it tells us where to move,
how to move, when to do it. You know, we would have to get out of some, I think of our selfishness,
you know, sometimes. Yeah, I think that's a key. And selfishness is not always what it, you know,
I think it is sometimes like, I want to do something. I want to go have fun, but I know I
need to do something else. Do you understand what I'm talking about? All right. I need to go have
fun and I'm doing something else. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. But I think only the Holy
Spirit is the one that helps us to define when one is needed and the other one is not needed.
And I just say that for myself, you know, because there's times when I don't want to really do that.
You guys know what I mean. You know, having a ministry and there's a lot of paperwork to go
along with it. Oh yeah. People see you in front of people and on the stage. And I remember seeing
those people up there and thinking, well, that looks like that's fun. And I didn't know the
rest of the stuff behind the story. Oh yes. Absolutely. It goes a little long with it. And
in your case, you guys have that big old compound. And so all those little things that take place to
get, you know, you probably have a number of people that come there and say, you need to take
care of this and you need to take care of that. Yeah. This is wrong. That is wrong. Yeah. Yeah.
You need to fix this. You need to do that. Everybody's got lots of wonderful ideas. Yeah,
they do. And so, you know, like when I go to the hotel rooms and I'm in the hotels and they've got
a ding in the wall or the, the, the shower ain't like this. And you know, they got what maybe about
120 rooms. Yeah. The air conditioner doesn't, what the thermostat says isn't what the,
what the heat or the air conditioning is doing. Yeah. Yeah. So, but, uh, so people don't realize
those things, but you know, by the Holy spirit, you know, I always purpose in my heart and I think
you guys too, we spend time with the father and Jesus. And I really help that helps me to be able
to do what I'm doing. You know, I really rely on him to guide me on my priorities, but I come to him
to get the, so it was like, okay, this is the day father. What, well, how do you have a plan for me?
Right. Absolutely. You know, and he's, he said, well, you need to, that's something that, uh,
I think, okay, you know what you're doing. So, and, and he does, he just, he knows, you know,
absolutely. I just get to smile a lot and say, okay. Well, I have one more thought about this,
about the rays and being connected to his head. And, and my thought is this, it's said through,
I think in more than one place, Paul talks about how we are the body of Christ and he is the head.
Yeah. So in a natural physical body, we have a nervous system through which travels some kind
of energy, you know, some have talked about it as being electric or chemical or some combination
thereof or something like that. So, so that each muscle will contract or whatever, you know,
or, or the, it'll, it'll make your heart beat or, and it's all connected to the head. Wow. So Jesus,
being our head, I'm just wondering if this crown of a gazillion rays, one for each of us is sort of
like a little bit like that kind of connection that the human body has to the brain, where the
brain gives it orders of things to do. You know, there's the autonomic nervous system that, that,
you know, it's going to make your heart beat, whether you think about it or not. And then
there's another part of the brain that causes you to think and do things, but they're like breathing.
You don't, you can think about breathing and breathe, but you don't usually think about
breathing and you're still breathing. And I think that, that the Holy Spirit is doing those kinds of
things in us. And the more we connect with him through the word and the more we connect with him
through prayer and walking with him and communing with him, that those things are being accomplished,
that he is doing through us, whether we realize it or not. I believe that too, Sharon, I believe
that very strongly. One of the things that I try to get people to understand us that are born again
and know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is that we do a lot more for the kingdom of God than we
realize a lot of times. And we sometimes want to recognize everything we do for the kingdom of God.
And there's some times that are so natural to us that we don't even know. It's like, I want to be
spiritual and we don't really, we're already being spiritual at that moment, because it's such a
natural thing. Like you just said, I'm glad you brought that up, because I see that so much on
the planet being back here that people are striving to an area and yet they don't realize they're
already in an area of that same realm that they're striving to be in. I think you've heard me say
this before, people sometimes they'll come up and they'll say, well, I need more and I need more and
I need more. And I think what they don't realize, they have a lot already, but they gotten used to
it. It's like a hot tub of water. If you sit in it long enough, you get used to the hotness in the
tub. It just means that you need to move to another tub or to a different area. It doesn't mean you're
going backwards because some people feel I'm going slipping, I'm slipping. But the reality of it is
that you need to move to the next, I call it realm. We talked about that earlier to realms, that God
has more realms for you to enter into. So I'm in a hundred percent agreement with you that I just
believe we do things. And I expect myself, I don't know about anybody else, I expect myself to walk
in the spirit 24 seven. I expect it, even if I don't feel like it, I expect it. And so in doing
that, because I'm a spiritual being, I know that, I don't know about anybody else, but I know I'm a
spiritual being, but I left this body and went to be with the father and Jesus. I knew I was spiritual
being. And that spiritual being was more alive and real than this physical body is. I was talking to
it today, this body, I was talking about some things, I said, I don't know about you. I can
leave you in a moment. Didn't your body talk back to you once? Don't you ever do that again? Oh yeah.
I could leave it in a moment and wouldn't miss it. And knowing that if I left the planet,
like my brother, Randy, that left a few weeks ago, that I'll be with people again.
I'm not going to lose any love for anybody that I love right now. Is that good news?
That's beautiful news.
We don't think that way. It's just that you love somebody, what do you think? You're going to even
love a more pure in heaven than you do on the planet. Yes, absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely. I'm excited about what you, you can tell that excited me just hearing you say that
because I hear, I think that's where people get the victim from. They don't realize that they are
doing things in the spiritual realm at times. We were talking about those tassels on the garment.
When they raise it going up, they looked at their singular and then they start splitting
after a while. And I could think of those tassels you were talking about on the garment
and how their strings are splitting off. That's what you really have, more of that.
So I wonder, I always look at those things and I know somebody had to have a vision.
Someone had to see this stuff to be able to do that.
Yeah. Well, I can't help but wonder if that goes all the way back to what Moses saw on the mount.
Because I really believe that he saw into heaven and he saw the heavenly version and God said,
here's how you do it on the earth. Yeah. For a picture of it. Yeah.
Well, as we close, would you pray for our listeners?
Yes. Father, in the name of your son, Jesus Christ, I thank you for each and every person that is
listening to this broadcast. I thank you that they tuned in. This is no accident that they're
hearing us discuss what we're discussing. This is for them, Father, to move forward in your kingdom
and a more mighty way than they have even previously are doing right now. I thank you,
Lord, that as we have talked and opened some doors, then they are now going to go through
those doors and boy, are they going to see the light, the glory, the illumination that takes
place in their life. And Lord, I thank you that you're telling me this is not just for them as
individuals, but this is for them and their families. Wow. This is good news to hear this,
Father, that you are reclaiming their families. Yes. Everyone that's hearing this, even myself,
you're reclaiming their families. You are going after their families. Those connections of that
crown with the rays coming off, you're reaching out to other people and literally, wow, people
are starting to be moved to talk to our families. So Father, I'm going to say thank you and I'm
thanking you for each and every person that's listening that they're going to see that also.
And they're going to see a harvest come in of their families and people being saved
and recommitted back to you. Wow, Lord. And afresh. I hear the word afresh. Thank you,
Jesus. Wow, you're going to refresh a lot of families out there. In Jesus' name. Amen.
Amen. Wow. Thank you so much. That was good. That was very good. And we just encourage people
to go to your website and your YouTube channel to get more of the wonderful things that the Lord has
showed you that you share on your YouTube channel and your story on your website.
So there's good materials out there at deanbraxton.com. Yes. Amen. Amen.
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