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Welcome to Global Outpouring. I'm Philip Buss and I'm Sharon Buss. We have a very special

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guest today on our podcast, Michael Van Vlymen, a man that is being used of God in a powerful

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way and he has come from a place of being just an ordinary guy, but pressing into God.

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God is using him to show us that we can see in the Spirit.

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Well welcome Mike. I just am so happy that you are here with us. We've just had tremendous

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meetings over the weekend and we will put the links to our YouTube channel where you

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were our speaker for the weekend. We'll put them down in the show notes and people can

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get more of what they're going to get a little bit of today. You've been writing books because

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the Lord has been showing you things. How many books do you have?

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I've got 15 books so far.

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Wow, that's tremendous. I'm holding one, Powerful Keys to Spiritual Sight, and it's effective

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things you can do to open your spiritual eyes. You've also written How to See in the Spirit,

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How to Do Spiritual Warfare, Angelic Visitations and Supernatural Encounters, and what's that

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one about? Is it Supernatural Transportation?

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Supernatural Transportation, yes. That was one that I wrote not too long ago.

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Well we're excited and you've been sharing some tremendous experiences that you've had

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and how you went from not seeing anything at all in the Spirit to where you're seeing

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a whole lot. God has given you a unique ability to explain things in a simple way and we appreciate

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that.

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Thank you.

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That's one of the things that we're doing here on this Global Outpouring podcast. We're

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talking about contending in the Spirit for the global outpouring and really the global

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outpouring is one by one. Each one of us gets our own outpouring of the Holy Spirit and

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equipping in the Spirit and then engaging. So you're engaging and you're equipping and

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you're contending and you've contended to get to this point. So would you share with

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us just a little bit about your childhood and how you got to this place where you began

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to really pursue God?

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I would be glad to. Thank you for having me on your podcast. I'm really honored to be

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here with you and my story really begins like a lot of people's story. In church I was

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enamored by the Bible stories that I was hearing as a youngster and I wanted that kind of life

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that we were hearing about, the life where Daniel was saved from the mouths of the lions

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by the angels of the Lord and how David slew Goliath. I was totally enamored by those stories.

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I wanted that kind of life as a five-year-old but growing up in a cessationist church I

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realized a couple years later they explained that that was not available today for people

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that believed in Jesus. So it really sucked the wind out of my sails. It stole my passion

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at eight years old and really set me on a course away from the things of God and that

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was kind of my background starting out. But you know the great thing is the Lord is faithful.

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Yes he is. So you grew up and you were kind of, were you even lukewarm?

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No, I would say I was disinterested. If I couldn't really be a part of what God was

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doing or what God had done I really was not interested in it at all. Even though I believed

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because I was taught to believe that Jesus is God and Jesus is our Savior and I asked

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Jesus to come into my heart back several years before I just did not have the passion to

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even be engaged with someone else's story. So I was just kind of disinterested going

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through even though my dad was a pastor of a church I did not have a passion for the

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things of God after I was told that I could not really be a part of it. But you know thank

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the Lord he is very faithful in revealing the truth to those that are looking for the

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truth and at a time in my early 20s I needed his miracle working power for my own deliverance

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and I cried out to him. He revealed himself to me in an overwhelming way and showed me

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that he's still the God of the Bible and still did the miraculous and I had my passion rekindled

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some 20 years later because of that.

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So you had a tremendous deliverance.

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Yes I did.

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And you found out that Jesus is real and that his power is just the same as it was. Jesus

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Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.

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And you kind of left behind that cessationist thinking.

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I didn't have a choice because God had revealed himself so powerfully in my life that I did

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not have a choice to even deny that what God was doing. I had met a charismatic man that

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prayed deliverance over me and he knew the secrets of my life and he knew what was going

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on in my life. He knew what I needed. I mean and it wasn't generic in any way. It was very

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specific the Lord had told him and it really showed me that God still is involved in our

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lives even though I was told that he's not actually involved like he used to be. And

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so once I discovered that then I was taught starting out by the same man that God still

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does the miraculous, angels still come to help us, the Lord Jesus still appears to his

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people and it really kind of set me on fire afresh to learn more about what I was supposed

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to do in my own life and how to engage with God and have that supernatural biblical life

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that we read about that I wanted that and the Lord was teaching me how to have that.

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So what was the first thing that he taught you? Well the first thing that I believe he

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really taught me was that as believers we are powerful and we can see people set free.

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So that understanding of the authority that believers carry, he showed me that can literally

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change everything in a person's life. You can bring salvation and deliverance to a household

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because as believers we have authority to do so. The enemy can have people bound up,

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the believer can go in and begin speaking in power and authority and just change the

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course of someone's life. That was huge to me. I thought who would want to live any other

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way but serving the Lord and seeing people set free. So that was one, that was probably

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the first thing that I saw. The second thing that I began to see was the power of prayer

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and intercession. So even those that didn't want to be set free or didn't want to serve

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the Lord, many times, well the Lord showed me that many times people's, even though the

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Lord gives us a free will, many times their will is subverted by the enemy so that they

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can't even make a clear decision of their own. That's right. So the Lord showed me that

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through intercession and prayer we can free up the will of people so that they have the

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ability once again to make a clear good choice for their lives.

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Yeah. The people in their right mind are going to make the right choice.

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That's exactly it.

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And the enemy is constantly trying to twist our minds so that we're not thinking clearly.

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We're not in our right minds. We're under deception.

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And the thing is a lot of people believe erroneously, I think, that if they have a loved one that's

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choosing not to serve God, they have the idea, well God gives them free will. That's their

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choice and many times it's not their choice. If you have a loved one or someone you know

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that makes a choice, would you like the nice delicious sandwich or the mud sandwich? And

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they choose the mud sandwich. It's not because they have a free will.

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So people, if they have a free will, they will make the choice that benefits them.

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So somewhere along the line they gave in to, like they gave their will in a way.

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They did. And many times it's through friendships that develop, many times being in the wrong

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atmosphere and environment or other things that come upon a person's life that just gradually

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steals their will from them and they just begin to go in the wrong direction and can't

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seem to pull themselves out of it. But through the power of prayer and intercession, we can

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help those people be free.

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That's right. Now isn't that what, there were three things that you said that brought you

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into a place of seeing and prayer and intercession. What was the third one?

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The third one was worship. Some of my most profound experiences in God have been born

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out of worship. And I've seen that the atmosphere of worship in and of itself can bring deliverance

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and change the atmosphere in a place just by the presence of God being manifest in that

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place. And worship definitely brings that atmosphere. God is enthroned on the praises

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of his people. And that's not just a metaphor or a beautiful poetic saying. That is an absolute

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truth. So when we worship, the presence of the Lord comes and anything is literally possible.

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So those people that are contending for miracles, I know they've heard it said, worship the

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Lord, pray with a spirit of thankfulness that the Lord is changing things. And that's very

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true.

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Yes, it is. So you were pursuing God, but at the same time you were working a secular

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job. It's not like God had called you to be a pastor.

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Right.

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What were you doing?

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For the past 30 years, I've been fixing coffee machines and working for a vending machine

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company and repairing various types of equipment. So that was my full-time job. I worked 60

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hours a week for as long as I could remember. And now I'm being called to really spend more

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time with the Lord. And it was challenging at first. It was and it wasn't challenging.

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My spirit man was so overwhelmed and enthused, I wanted to spend as much time with the Lord

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as possible because I tasted his presence. I had seen his salvation. I'd experienced

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his deliverance. I thought, I don't want to live any other way. But on the other hand,

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I had my secular job that was eating up a lot of my life. But the Lord had to teach

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me how to navigate all that. But it's been quite a journey, that's for sure.

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So give us a couple of examples of things that you had to navigate that our listeners

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might have to learn to navigate.

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Okay. Well, you know, when the Lord first began to teach me about spiritual sight and

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why our eyes do not see as believers when we are supposed to see, the Lord taught me

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to spend more time in prayer coming before Him, not just to give Him my laundry list,

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but to wait upon Him to talk to me and give me revelation and the things He wanted to

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tell me. That was a new concept for me. Having grown up in a church where you basically,

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when you prayed, you gave your list of things to the Lord and then you went on about your

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way.

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And that was prayer.

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That was prayer. And even in services, when the pastor would say, okay, now we're going

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to wait upon the Lord, usually when they would say that, it was no more than a minute or

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two minutes that that would even happen.

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And that doesn't even happen in all services.

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Yes, and that doesn't even happen. So the Lord was teaching me, no, I want you to come

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aside and be like David, where David says, on you Lord, I wait all the day. Is he being

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poetic? No, he's not. He's being accurate. He's being truthful that when you get in the

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presence of God, you will want to stay in His presence all the day, literally. So the

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Lord was teaching me that, but it's hard to do that and work a 60-hour job or even a 40-hour

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job. So the Lord had to teach me how to come aside and fit that into my normal life and

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actually make that my normal life to be aware of His presence all the time and not step

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in and out, but just to step into the Spirit and stay there.

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Yeah. And then like you tried to do it in the evening, then what happened?

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I did. I tried to spend time waiting on the Lord in the evening and because, you know,

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the world is still going on in the evening time, phone calls would happen. People would

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call. The phone would ring. Noises, people knocking on the door. The kids had needs and

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they would, you know, even if I said, please don't bother me for the next hour, I want

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to spend that hour in prayer, you know, 20 minutes later, the kids would be knocking

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on my door or coming and whispering in my ear. So it was not working out too good, but…

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Distractions.

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There was too many distractions to really set aside that time just unto the Lord. And

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the Lord was telling me the importance, do not share this time with anything else, but

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dedicate this time to me. If you want to know the deep things of the kingdom, to know the

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secrets of God's heart, then you need to really give Him that time. And so the Lord

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led me to go to the middle of the night when everything is quiet, everything is shut down,

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and then to come before Him in that time when everyone is asleep and then we could have

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that time together. But that in itself was challenging.

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Because you try and you got to get up the next morning and…

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He gives you grace, doesn't he?

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He does give you grace. That's one thing that I learned that the scripture that says

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those that wait upon the Lord will renew their strength. And that is really true. And plus

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he taught me going forward because many times I would be so tired I would just go to wait

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upon the Lord in prayer and I would fall asleep. And I kind of felt condemned, but the Lord

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he encouraged me. My flesh was trying to condemn me. The voice of the enemy, well, this isn't

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working for you. This isn't something that you need to do. And even people that knew

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what I was doing would try and dissuade me. God doesn't want you to try that hard. God

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doesn't want you to really spend your time seeking Him. If He wants to find you, He knows

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how to find you. And just all kinds of crazy advice that has no basis in biblical truth.

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And it was really just a distraction of the enemy because the Lord taught me that if I

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would wait upon Him in the night watch, He would meet me there. He would give me revelation.

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He would open my spiritual eyes and my spiritual senses. And He would show me the things that

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He wanted to show me and use me in the ways that He wanted to use me.

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Can I interject something?

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Go ahead.

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Yeah, well, after you gave this and been one of your messages, and I highly recommend you

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go to YouTube and hear these. Because I get up usually once or twice in the night and

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I thought, okay, I'm going to try this. I got up. And kind of like you did, I sat down

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there and, you know, I'm just being quiet. And I fell asleep, kind of woke up with a

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crink in my neck. But I felt I did this. You know, it was different than what I've tried

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before. You get up, you look at the clock. And so you automatically your mind thinks,

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well, I've only got like three more hours. I've got to get up. You know, I can't do this.

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I'm going to bed. But you know, I did it. So it was like about an hour. And then I tried

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it again last night. You know, it was the same thing. You know, and a little bit more.

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But it just, it feels like it's starting to work. You know, even though maybe it doesn't

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look like, but it's the feeling like because you're doing it under the Lord and he's honoring

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what you're doing because it didn't happen to you overnight. Yes. How long did it take?

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Yeah. How long did you? That's, that's really true. The shift began to happen. And even

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though I wasn't really seeing the kind of breakthrough, I knew something was happening.

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But I, for a long time, I would fall asleep because I would be so tired. I would, my intention,

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my spirit man was willing, but my flesh was weak. I would fall asleep and I would tell

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the Lord, I'll try again tomorrow. And I did. I was, I was adamant and relentless that because

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I knew the Lord had met me in such a spectacular way. I knew that he was not going to kind

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of tease me by showing me what was possible than not giving it to me. He was going to

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honor my coming before him. I just knew that. And, but I kept falling asleep and then I

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would apologize to the Lord and say, I'll try again tomorrow. And this went on for a

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couple of months. And I remember one night as I was waiting upon the Lord, I fell asleep.

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I woke up at two o'clock in the morning or so. And I said, Lord, I'll try again tomorrow.

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And the Lord said, what's wrong with right now? And I thought, okay, I'll try again right

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now. And I fell asleep again. And then I woke up an hour later and I said, I'll try again

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tomorrow Lord. And the Lord said, what's wrong with right now? And I did it again on the

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fourth attempt. When the Lord kept prompting me, don't give up, just keep waiting on me.

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On the fourth attempt, my physical body did not have the capacity to wake up, but my spirit

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man became fully awake. And I could see in the realm of the spirit, my spirit man was

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just came to the forefront of my being and the Lord could give me revelation and I knew

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what was going on. And I just realized that the Lord had given me a key for breakthrough

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to not allow the physical to dictate this journey that he had me on. So even though

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my body was tired, that I was to push past that, not striving, but just keeping in a

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position to offer myself again to the Lord and again and again. Because it wasn't something

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I knew I could try really hard and it's going to happen. I just had to make myself available

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and he would do the work.

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Beautiful.

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So that's what I was seeing happen.

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Beautiful. You know, you mentioned a story, an experience where, you know, you had begun

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to see quite a lot already and you were often seeing demonic things. But there was one time

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in particular that I would like for you to tell the story about that really stubborn

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looking entity.

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Yes. Yeah, that was a really interesting thing. I was sitting on the edge of my bed at night

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and I was praying for the family before turning in myself.

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You weren't intending to sit up and pray at that point.

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No, I was going to just pray blessings over the family and safety over the family and

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then lay down and go to sleep. So as I sat there on the edge of the bed, I was prompted

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by the Holy Spirit, I'm sure, to look up by the doorway and I looked up by the door.

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And there was a very tall, evil looking man and it was an evil spirit. And he had big

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horns coming out the side of his head like steer horns and they were very wide. And he

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was very wicked looking and he was very…he was glaring at me in a very menacing way.

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And I thought to myself, how did this thing get in my house? Because, you know, I know

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I'm a servant of the Lord. I know I'm seated in heavenly places. This is not right. This

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thing should not be in my house. And so I began to rebuke him in every way I knew how.

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And what happened was nothing. As I rebuked the spirit and rebuked him and rebuked him

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in Jesus' name and called for the blood of Jesus against him and all these things, he

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just glared at me. The expression never changed. And it threw me a little bit. Actually threw

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me a lot a bit. He just…

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It would be.

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He just continued to glare me down and I'm thinking, I don't understand this. But after

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about 20 minutes, the spirit flew away. And behind where he had been standing, a vision,

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a spectacular vision opened up where the Lord showed me the destiny of my family members.

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And it was incredible and overwhelming. And it changed the way I prayed for my family.

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Which was what you were doing to begin with.

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Was, yes, exactly what I was doing to begin with. The Lord was giving me a revelation

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to help me to pray for my family. But the spirit was trying to block that. Because if

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you know how the Lord sees your family and he can show you their destiny and show you

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their future, you will pray from a different place. And the enemy does not want you to

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pray from that place of faith. So he was trying to block it. But I came to the Lord later

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and I asked him, I said, Lord, this is not right. I don't understand this. I know that

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I'm seated in authority with you. I know that I'm seated in Christ at the right hand of

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power above principalities and powers. How could this thing withstand me? He wasn't even

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bothered by the rebukes that I was handing out to him. And the Lord in his goodness and

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mercy, he just very gently instructed me that the enemy, the Lord told me, the enemy is

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a deceiver. He said that every time we speak, our words carry great power in the realm of

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the spirit. And every time we speak, something shifts in the spirit realm. That's what the

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Lord told me. And he said, what happens is the enemy was maintaining an appearance as

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if your words had no power when exactly the opposite thing was true. That the enemy wants

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you to believe your words have no power because most believers, if they don't see a manifestation

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and answer to their prayer, they will stop. They will grow weary and they will stop. And

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the enemy, if he can just hang on for a few minutes, then he will not have to leave. He

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will not have to relent. But the Lord was showing me in that moment that our prayers

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are powerful and that we are not to stop ever because of the fact that we do have authority

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and our words are powerful, that we are not to relent, we are not to give up. Even if

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the enemy acts like he's not going to leave, he is going to leave, period. There is no

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question about it. So that was a great lesson for me. It taught me something about prayer.

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Yeah, that was very significant to me. You've said a couple of words that I think are very

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significant and we say them all the time, but we don't necessarily think about what

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they mean. You use the word believer and it's so critical that we actually believe what

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we believe. And this lesson that you were just explaining has to do with actually believing

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what we believe. There are people who would call themselves believers, but they're not

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very strong in what they believe.

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No, and that really leaves them powerless to deal with the things of even everyday life.

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They can come before the Lord in prayer and lift something up or pray about something

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without really believing God's going to answer their prayer or that they can do anything

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about it. It's like having a book of promises, and we do. We have a book of promises and

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covenants, but if we don't believe those covenants and we don't act on them, then we're powerless.

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We have to believe what the Lord has told us. If we're even going to engage in with

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the weapons He's given us to engage with, a person that does not believe is not going

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to continue on in prayer. They're not going to intercede. They're not going to even believe

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that they have the hope that things can change. It just shuts people down before they even

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begin if they don't actually believe. And that's why people need to stay in the Word,

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stay grounded in the Word, know what the promises of the Lord are towards His people, and know

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what we've been given. And if they meditate on the things that the Lord has given us,

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then we'll have a greater sense of who we are and what we're supposed to be doing and

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a boldness that you won't have if you're not in the Word.

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Yes. It's so critical that when we're interested in getting into these supernatural things,

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and I think that that's one of the issues of why our churches have so few people and

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particularly so few young people that are willing to even come to services because there's

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no activity of the supernatural. They're not believing. They're not seeing any signs and

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wonders. They're not seeing…but in our pursuit of signs and wonders, we can get way off on

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the wrong track if we're not grounded in the Word.

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Oh, that is so true. Yeah, I've seen that the past few years especially as we teach

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a lot about things that are considered supernatural. And they are supernatural. They're miraculous.

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Maybe that's a better word, the miracle-working power of God. But people, they get enamored.

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They do with the signs and wonders. And if they don't have the grounding, they can

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easily take the idea of signs and wonders and just run straight into the ditch with

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them and we see it over and over. People…and here's the thing, the enemy will be happy

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to give you signs and wonders. If that's all you want, he will lead you down a different

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path and give you plenty of signs and wonders, but that's a place of danger. And that's

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a place where the enemy will lead people away from the Lord using signs and wonders. That's

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why you have to remember that when you're talking about this topic, if you're talking

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about signs, a sign is supposed to lead you somewhere, point you in a direction. If the

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sign does not point you in the direction of Jesus, you are going in the wrong direction.

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Well said. Well, well said. So the idea is that it should be normal Christian life to

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be able to see in the Spirit, to be able to see signs and wonders, to be able to do miracles.

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And that should be normal, but it's because it's in the Word.

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It flows out of our relationship with Jesus through and in Him and through Him. All of

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these things can be manifest, but it's through our relationship with Him, no other way.

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Amen. Amen. Thank you so much for being with us today. We've been so enjoying this conversation.

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And again, we recommend that our listeners go to the links that are down there in the

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show notes. You'll see links to Michael's website and links to… He's got a YouTube

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channel also. We'll put that down there. And links to our YouTube channel and the event

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that we just had, the Sons of God's Solemn Assembly. God bless you and have a glorious

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