WEBVTT 00:00:00.779 --> 00:00:03.100 Greetings and welcome to this edition of Faith 00:00:03.100 --> 00:00:05.919 to Live By. I'm Pam Christian, your host, where 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:09.060 each week I seek to help us explore current events 00:00:09.060 --> 00:00:11.859 from a biblical and prophetic perspective. I 00:00:11.859 --> 00:00:15.019 am sincerely honored to have as my guest today 00:00:15.019 --> 00:00:18.760 Jan Jekulic, Senior Editor of the Epoch Times 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:21.179 and host of the show American Thought Leaders, 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:24.059 who will help us explore the Iran conflict and 00:00:24.059 --> 00:00:27.339 the China connection. Jan's career has spanned 00:00:27.339 --> 00:00:30.519 academia, international human rights work, and 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:33.619 for the past two decades, media. I'll share the 00:00:33.619 --> 00:00:36.979 interview with you in just a bit. However, first 00:00:36.979 --> 00:00:39.840 I must address the current events specific to 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:43.000 the U .S.-Iran conflict. Because of logistics, 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:45.320 it's necessary for me to record this podcast 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:49.140 and schedule it to post at 4 a .m. on Wednesdays. 00:00:49.140 --> 00:00:52.039 So I'm recording this on Tuesday, April 7th, 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:55.000 as late in the day as I possibly can to hopefully 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:57.420 be able to address some of what occurs in Iran 00:00:57.420 --> 00:01:01.700 after 8 o 'clock p .m. Eastern Time. My goal 00:01:01.700 --> 00:01:04.859 is not to be a reporter of world news. Rather, 00:01:04.859 --> 00:01:08.379 it is to help us make sense out of what occurs 00:01:08.379 --> 00:01:11.920 in the world from God's point of view. Certainly, 00:01:12.060 --> 00:01:14.260 there will be much more for me to bring you about 00:01:14.260 --> 00:01:18.140 the US -Iran conflict next week. I especially 00:01:18.140 --> 00:01:20.500 like the comments from Dutch Sheets from his 00:01:20.500 --> 00:01:23.819 April 7th Give Him 15 Daily Devotional, part 00:01:23.819 --> 00:01:40.930 of which I want you to hear now. and his military 00:01:40.930 --> 00:01:43.750 leaders. The evil regime in Iran has been a cancer 00:01:43.750 --> 00:01:46.170 to the people of Iran, the Middle East, and other 00:01:46.170 --> 00:01:48.930 portions of the world. Allowing the leading sponsor 00:01:48.930 --> 00:01:50.950 of terrorism throughout the world with stated 00:01:50.950 --> 00:01:53.090 objectives of annihilating the U .S. and Israel 00:01:53.090 --> 00:01:56.250 to possess nuclear weapons would have been insane, 00:01:56.549 --> 00:01:59.549 if not suicidal. Many of our previous presidents 00:01:59.549 --> 00:02:02.609 have stated that this must not happen, but kicked 00:02:02.609 --> 00:02:04.709 the can down the road to the next commander in 00:02:04.709 --> 00:02:07.730 chief while the evil regime kept inching closer 00:02:07.730 --> 00:02:10.610 and closer. President Trump decided to take action 00:02:10.610 --> 00:02:13.250 and do so in a way that keeps them from rebuilding 00:02:13.250 --> 00:02:15.710 their nuclear and terrorist ambitions anytime 00:02:15.710 --> 00:02:19.009 soon. And if regime change occurs in the process, 00:02:19.189 --> 00:02:22.469 great. Our military, along with Israel's, has 00:02:22.469 --> 00:02:24.729 achieved great success in this endeavor, while 00:02:24.729 --> 00:02:27.229 trying to leave intact as much infrastructure 00:02:27.229 --> 00:02:30.849 as possible for future Iranians. Two considerations 00:02:30.849 --> 00:02:33.469 are now critical in the decision -making process. 00:02:33.849 --> 00:02:36.569 One, the Strait of Hormuz is now a complicating 00:02:36.569 --> 00:02:39.780 factor. How far do we go? to eliminate Iran's 00:02:39.780 --> 00:02:41.960 control over it, choking off oil flow to many 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:45.139 nations, since our annihilation of Iran's military 00:02:45.139 --> 00:02:47.580 has been largely accomplished. Trump doesn't 00:02:47.580 --> 00:02:49.539 want to get bogged down long term, and he wants 00:02:49.539 --> 00:02:51.819 other nations, especially those that need the 00:02:51.819 --> 00:02:54.159 oil, to step up and help deal with this evil 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:56.699 regime. At this point, many of them are saying 00:02:56.699 --> 00:02:59.620 no, signaling that they want Americans to continue 00:02:59.620 --> 00:03:01.759 footing the bill to protect the world, as we've 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:05.680 been doing since World War II. Secondly, how 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:08.460 far do we go to take out the evil regime? positioning 00:03:08.460 --> 00:03:10.780 the Iranian people to rise up and establish a 00:03:10.780 --> 00:03:14.060 sane government. The stated goals were to destroy 00:03:14.060 --> 00:03:17.860 Iran's air force, navy, missile and nuclear capabilities, 00:03:18.180 --> 00:03:20.280 with the hope that this would also cause regime 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:23.580 change. Most of this has been accomplished. Iran 00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:25.539 obviously still has some missiles and launchers. 00:03:25.939 --> 00:03:28.139 But how much more should we do beyond simply 00:03:28.139 --> 00:03:30.719 finishing off the military? How far should we 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:33.800 go to destroy the evil, murderous regime itself? 00:03:34.389 --> 00:03:36.830 In essence, these two questions, and others I 00:03:36.830 --> 00:03:38.689 may not be considering, essentially translate 00:03:38.689 --> 00:03:42.669 to, how do we finish this war? President Trump 00:03:42.669 --> 00:03:45.710 and his team will need to make very wise decisions 00:03:45.710 --> 00:03:48.590 in the coming days. These decisions will impact 00:03:48.590 --> 00:03:50.889 not only the lives of millions of people, but 00:03:50.889 --> 00:03:54.490 the spiritual harvest in the Middle East. We 00:03:54.490 --> 00:03:57.030 can help generate the right decisions through 00:03:57.030 --> 00:04:07.300 our prayers. We can. I suspect you have been 00:04:07.300 --> 00:04:10.379 praying, but we cannot pray too much, especially 00:04:10.379 --> 00:04:13.439 given the escalation of events the Iranian regime 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:16.839 is bringing upon themselves and all the innocent 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:20.660 people of Iran. As Dutch said, many presidents 00:04:20.660 --> 00:04:23.259 have recognized Iran and their nuclear ambitions 00:04:23.579 --> 00:04:26.420 and intentions of annihilating Israel is only 00:04:26.420 --> 00:04:29.319 the beginning of their plans. Iran has been the 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:32.360 bully of the Middle East for decades and recently 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:35.040 sent missiles to their neighboring Arab nations 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:37.560 in a display of strength and power over them. 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:40.899 We see what Iran is doing to the nations of the 00:04:40.899 --> 00:04:43.920 world with the Strait of Hormuz. Anyone who thinks 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:46.660 the evil intentions of the present Iranian government 00:04:46.660 --> 00:04:49.779 is limited to Israel and the United States, leaving 00:04:49.779 --> 00:04:53.240 all other nations safe, completely deceived. 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:57.680 Again, today as I'm recording is April 7th, the 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:00.800 day President Trump gave to Iran as a deadline 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:04.899 to agree to acceptable terms or he will order 00:05:04.899 --> 00:05:07.480 destruction to bridges and power facilities. 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.680 And even faced with this reality for themselves, 00:05:12.180 --> 00:05:15.100 the Iranian people are encouraging the United 00:05:15.100 --> 00:05:18.279 States to do whatever it takes for their liberation. 00:05:18.810 --> 00:05:21.810 While there are at least 15 points to the agreement 00:05:21.810 --> 00:05:24.629 President Trump will accept, the two main points 00:05:24.629 --> 00:05:28.089 are opening the Strait of Hormuz and no nuclear 00:05:28.089 --> 00:05:31.529 capabilities. Both points having the greatest 00:05:31.529 --> 00:05:35.350 benefits for many other countries and not that 00:05:35.350 --> 00:05:38.790 of the United States. In the midst of the Iranian 00:05:38.790 --> 00:05:41.959 War, One of the most uplifting news reports came 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:44.579 for the whole world to rejoice over with the 00:05:44.579 --> 00:05:47.379 rescue of the second pilot who had ejected from 00:05:47.379 --> 00:05:52.180 the U .S. F -15 plane on Friday, April 4, 2026. 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:54.860 I listened to the White House press conference 00:05:54.860 --> 00:05:57.920 of April 6 and learned many of the incredible 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:01.519 details of the rescue mission. The second pilot, 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:06.000 identified so far as Dude 44 Bravo, was seriously 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:09.060 injured, and with his serious injuries and bleeding, 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:11.980 he was still able to climb to higher terrain 00:06:11.980 --> 00:06:15.519 while deep within enemy territory, when he finally 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:18.720 felt safe enough to signal the U .S. rescue team. 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:21.439 And do you know what he communicated to them? 00:06:22.459 --> 00:06:25.660 The exact words he used to confirm his location 00:06:25.660 --> 00:06:31.500 to be rescued were, God is good. His first words 00:06:31.500 --> 00:06:34.620 were praise to God. Are you tracking with all 00:06:34.620 --> 00:06:37.920 that happened? First he had to eject from the 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:41.160 aircraft on Good Friday He spent Friday night 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.579 all day Saturday and that night deep within enemy 00:06:44.579 --> 00:06:47.939 territory While Iran had issued a bounty for 00:06:47.939 --> 00:06:50.519 anyone who found the US pilot meaning there was 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:54.620 a thousands of men searching for him Yet he managed 00:06:54.620 --> 00:06:57.180 to move as far away from his landing site as 00:06:57.180 --> 00:07:00.519 possible to higher terrain where he transmits 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:03.959 his message to the rescue team, God is good. 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:07.139 Early Easter Sunday morning, when he assessed 00:07:07.139 --> 00:07:09.480 he was safe and in a place where he could be 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:12.480 retrieved, he gave all praise to God. I mean, 00:07:12.540 --> 00:07:15.259 I had tears in my eyes welling up that he was 00:07:15.259 --> 00:07:17.899 found and that it was on resurrection Sunday 00:07:17.899 --> 00:07:22.389 morning. By all means, God is good. But here's 00:07:22.389 --> 00:07:25.410 more I want you to understand. As I've shared, 00:07:25.470 --> 00:07:28.750 the spring holy days of the Jewish calendar and 00:07:28.750 --> 00:07:31.750 all that is taking place in Iran, which was ancient 00:07:31.750 --> 00:07:36.350 Persia, actually has deep spiritual hope. The 00:07:36.350 --> 00:07:39.310 time from Purim, which was March 2nd and 3rd, 00:07:39.490 --> 00:07:43.430 Passover, Exodus, which is April 1 through 9, 00:07:43.629 --> 00:07:47.470 and Easter, which was April 5, all occur in the 00:07:47.470 --> 00:07:50.629 Hebrew month of Nisan, which is the first month 00:07:50.670 --> 00:07:53.689 on the Hebrew spiritual calendar that has always 00:07:53.689 --> 00:07:58.350 been considered the month of miracles. Add to 00:07:58.350 --> 00:08:02.290 this we are in the Hebrew year 5786 with the 00:08:02.290 --> 00:08:06.170 decade of the 80 depicted by our mouth and the 00:08:06.170 --> 00:08:09.829 specific year 6 being the number of man represented 00:08:09.829 --> 00:08:13.410 by the Hebrew letter Vav. The Vav is a picture 00:08:13.410 --> 00:08:16.410 of a hook, such as held the curtains in the temple 00:08:16.410 --> 00:08:19.149 separating the Holy Place from the Holy of Holy 00:08:19.149 --> 00:08:22.790 Place. And recall the day of Christ's resurrection. 00:08:23.589 --> 00:08:26.509 The thick heavy curtains were torn in two from 00:08:26.509 --> 00:08:30.250 top to bottom, expressing that our direct access 00:08:30.250 --> 00:08:33.750 to God is now available because of Jesus Christ. 00:08:34.529 --> 00:08:38.470 This year of 5786 is considered a year when God 00:08:38.470 --> 00:08:41.720 comes down from heaven to earth. when we can 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:46.679 expect divine intervention. I encourage you to 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:50.559 use your mouths to pray, decree, and declare 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:54.440 the plans of God to unfold and expect many miracles 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:57.360 from now and I believe up through Pentecost, 00:08:57.659 --> 00:09:01.899 which is May 24, 2026. I believe we have every 00:09:01.899 --> 00:09:04.919 reason to continue in prayer to God and expect 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:07.700 the best possible outcomes concerning events 00:09:07.700 --> 00:09:12.409 in Iran as never before. We know when we pray, 00:09:12.490 --> 00:09:15.809 consistent with God's will, our prayers are answered 00:09:15.809 --> 00:09:18.809 in all the authority and power of Jesus Christ. 00:09:19.450 --> 00:09:22.610 The words of human rights activist Goldie Gamari 00:09:22.610 --> 00:09:26.629 help us have proper perspective. When speaking 00:09:26.629 --> 00:09:29.470 for the Iranians, she stated, the Iranian people 00:09:29.470 --> 00:09:33.610 do not view recent conflicts as war, but as liberation. 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:36.799 This is the same sentiment that was given by 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:38.960 one of the prophets I follow expressing God's 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:42.179 heart saying you see this as war. I see this 00:09:42.179 --> 00:09:46.179 as liberation. Let a proper perspective of the 00:09:46.179 --> 00:09:50.139 essential importance of restraining evil guide 00:09:50.139 --> 00:09:53.480 you in your prayers. Now I want to share with 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:55.720 you part one of my three -part interview with 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:58.659 Jan Jekielek. Jan is a journalist, filmmaker, 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:01.720 and interviewer known for his in -depth conversations 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:04.960 on politics, culture, and global affairs. He's 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:07.980 a senior editor at the Epoch Times and host of 00:10:07.980 --> 00:10:10.500 American Thought Leaders, a long -form interview 00:10:10.500 --> 00:10:13.919 podcast and TV show. Born in Canada to Polish 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:17.179 immigrants, Jekielek studied evolutionary biology 00:10:17.179 --> 00:10:19.659 at the University of Alberta before transitioning 00:10:19.659 --> 00:10:23.299 into human rights advocacy. and later journalism. 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:26.740 He is also a documentary filmmaker. His repertoire 00:10:26.740 --> 00:10:30.600 includes the Holocaust documentary Finding Many. 00:10:31.179 --> 00:10:34.019 Yan's work has uncovered the darkest realities 00:10:34.019 --> 00:10:37.419 of China's regime and its global influence strategies, 00:10:37.899 --> 00:10:41.259 revealing a world few truly understand. To help 00:10:41.259 --> 00:10:44.059 us understand more about Iran and China's connection 00:10:44.059 --> 00:10:46.480 to what's going on in the world today, here's 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:56.759 part one of my interview. Jan, I am so honored 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:59.240 and very much privileged to have you on my program. 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:02.039 Thank you so very much for being my guest. I'm 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:04.460 so thrilled to be here, excited to see what comes 00:11:04.460 --> 00:11:07.379 of it. Well, I know that you are very well -versed. 00:11:07.500 --> 00:11:09.019 There's just so much that you have done with 00:11:09.019 --> 00:11:11.539 your body of work. And so I want to forewarn 00:11:11.539 --> 00:11:15.789 you that I plan on keeping you for a while. But 00:11:15.789 --> 00:11:18.070 I have lots of questions, and I would like to 00:11:18.070 --> 00:11:20.009 start with what's probably top of everybody's 00:11:20.009 --> 00:11:22.549 mind right now, and that's what's going on in 00:11:22.549 --> 00:11:24.870 Iran, involving, of course, the United States 00:11:24.870 --> 00:11:26.830 and Israel and a lot of other nations at this 00:11:26.830 --> 00:11:31.570 point. And part of why I think it's of concern 00:11:31.570 --> 00:11:34.289 to people is because we're not getting information 00:11:34.289 --> 00:11:36.250 through the media, certainly not through mainstream 00:11:36.250 --> 00:11:40.639 media. President Trump is repeatedly saying that 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:42.700 there's been talks and that Iran has actually 00:11:42.700 --> 00:11:45.639 asked for a ceasefire. Then representatives from 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:47.600 Iran are saying that there's never been any talks 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:50.559 or negotiations whatsoever. Can you shed any 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:55.259 light on this? Absolutely. I think it's a very 00:11:55.259 --> 00:11:58.320 interesting situation when it comes to the information 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:02.840 war is thick. This is where we live in this time, 00:12:03.139 --> 00:12:07.250 where in a sense, some of the most powerful weapons 00:12:07.250 --> 00:12:10.129 that are deployed are the information weapons. 00:12:11.350 --> 00:12:14.830 Because, as is the case in wartime, in many cases, 00:12:14.909 --> 00:12:17.690 you can't share all information because that 00:12:17.690 --> 00:12:20.009 would reveal the strategy and so on and so forth. 00:12:20.629 --> 00:12:23.889 The one thing that I do know is that President 00:12:23.889 --> 00:12:30.230 Trump has been unusually—let me put it this way—the 00:12:30.230 --> 00:12:33.629 things that he has said he would like to accomplish— 00:12:33.690 --> 00:12:37.429 in his historically, in his campaigning, and 00:12:37.429 --> 00:12:41.370 in his presidency, are things that he has actually 00:12:41.370 --> 00:12:44.870 tried to accomplish and do. So he strikes me 00:12:44.870 --> 00:12:47.230 as being very consequential in this way. I mean, 00:12:47.230 --> 00:12:50.730 I mean this in stark contrast to frankly, in 00:12:50.730 --> 00:12:54.789 a bipartisan way, most politicians. So it's actually 00:12:54.789 --> 00:12:59.110 a rare trait. But some of it, of course, is strategic. 00:13:00.409 --> 00:13:04.450 For example, when I look at the decision making 00:13:04.450 --> 00:13:08.169 about going after Iran, and Venezuela for that 00:13:08.169 --> 00:13:12.649 matter, I see a much larger geopolitical play 00:13:12.649 --> 00:13:15.429 in addition to what's actually happening there. 00:13:16.909 --> 00:13:18.789 One of the things that I write about in my book 00:13:18.789 --> 00:13:21.690 in Kill to Order is not just about this forced 00:13:21.690 --> 00:13:25.200 organ harvesting industry, It's also about how 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:27.720 the Chinese Communist Party instrumentalizes 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:30.759 absolutely everything, not just human bodies, 00:13:30.779 --> 00:13:35.759 which is the case in here, but also our goodwill 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:40.419 so -called allies like Iran. Iran was the linchpin. 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:43.700 It's the centerpiece of their Middle East strategy. 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:47.580 They funded it massively to the tune of 90 % 00:13:47.580 --> 00:13:51.379 of oil sales through this shadow fleet, of course, 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:55.019 bypassing embargo. China was paying for was bringing 00:13:55.019 --> 00:14:00.299 in. They used it as a tool to keep America's 00:14:00.299 --> 00:14:05.059 gaze away from China, away from all of the really 00:14:05.059 --> 00:14:07.220 horrible, abhorrent behavior that communist China 00:14:07.220 --> 00:14:12.500 was up to over the years and keep a destabilized 00:14:12.500 --> 00:14:15.419 region in the Middle East with the non -state 00:14:15.419 --> 00:14:19.220 actors like Hezbollah and Hamas. and Iran screaming 00:14:19.220 --> 00:14:23.980 death to America and everything else. Probably 00:14:23.980 --> 00:14:28.240 its most useful, in a sense, sort of instrumentalization 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:33.600 of Iran for China was that. I see the president 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:36.539 is in this situation now where he wants to finish 00:14:36.539 --> 00:14:39.559 this quickly. He says that Iran has been decimated. 00:14:39.700 --> 00:14:43.179 I don't see a reason to think that he would not 00:14:43.179 --> 00:14:46.460 be truthful about this given he's generally pretty 00:14:46.460 --> 00:14:49.159 truthful about things like of this nature, right? 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.779 And certainly there is, you know, sort of reporting 00:14:52.779 --> 00:14:55.740 that speaks to that. That's not the only reporting. 00:14:55.980 --> 00:14:58.120 There's all, like I said, the information war 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:02.259 is thick, right? My inclination is to believe 00:15:02.259 --> 00:15:06.980 that, let's call it the bounds of what's really 00:15:06.980 --> 00:15:09.340 happening are close to what the president says 00:15:09.340 --> 00:15:13.379 based on, you know, his historical record. Well, 00:15:13.379 --> 00:15:15.679 I would agree with that also because there hasn't 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:17.700 been anything that's come out of the representations 00:15:17.700 --> 00:15:21.139 of Iran for all of my lifetime that has ever 00:15:21.139 --> 00:15:24.659 been actually true. Well, no, exactly. That's 00:15:24.659 --> 00:15:27.519 that's the funniest part of it, right? Like literally, 00:15:28.259 --> 00:15:31.519 it's like, so this is it's important to remember 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:33.419 this, this is this is a feature of communist 00:15:33.419 --> 00:15:37.220 China. And it's a feature of frankly, any regime. 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:41.120 that these Islamist regimes, they don't really 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.480 believe in they need to be truthful with anybody. 00:15:44.179 --> 00:15:47.179 In fact, the information is more of a tool in 00:15:47.179 --> 00:15:48.960 a similar way to the way the Chinese Communist 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:52.159 Party does it. You really have to understand 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:54.720 it as this is what they want you to believe, 00:15:55.259 --> 00:15:58.860 but whether or not it's true is a secondary question. 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:00.580 It might be true or it might not be true, we 00:16:00.580 --> 00:16:03.799 just don't know. But truth has no bearing on 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:07.480 what they say. Well, I recently spoke to my audience 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:11.639 with my last podcast, openly contemplating what 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.059 is really going on and wondering who President 00:16:15.059 --> 00:16:16.840 Trump is actually talking to, especially since 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:20.700 there's been so much made of needing a new regime, 00:16:21.139 --> 00:16:22.980 which President Trump has said he wants the Iranian 00:16:22.980 --> 00:16:25.899 people to do themselves. So at first I was concerned, 00:16:26.059 --> 00:16:27.940 well, who is he talking to? And would the person 00:16:27.940 --> 00:16:31.460 he's talking to be supported by the Iranian people? 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:34.919 And then I got to thinking that maybe more important 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:37.279 than who he's talking to is that whatever is 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:40.320 agreed to would be supported by the Iranian people. 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:45.100 Well, both need to be true, I think. And it's 00:16:45.100 --> 00:16:48.000 a very real question. First of all, this is kind 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:50.899 of the question of whether the regime should 00:16:50.899 --> 00:16:53.600 stay as an 80 -20 issue for the Iranian people, 00:16:53.659 --> 00:16:56.259 the best information that we have. They don't 00:16:56.259 --> 00:17:00.179 like the regime. And why? Because it treats the 00:17:00.179 --> 00:17:02.919 people in the most horrible fashion imaginable, 00:17:03.139 --> 00:17:06.480 right? I mean, there's been 30 to 40 ,000 people 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:09.799 killed by our best estimates in the last not 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:13.140 too long period of time. Basically, people who 00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:15.859 are standing up to the regime just get put down, 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.039 right? And this is the mentality. So it's not 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:20.180 surprising that the people in general don't like 00:17:20.180 --> 00:17:23.220 a regime, which really doesn't value their own 00:17:23.220 --> 00:17:25.990 lives, right? This is another reason, the similar 00:17:25.990 --> 00:17:28.210 reason why the Chinese Communist Party, as much 00:17:28.210 --> 00:17:31.329 as they might be brainwashed into believing it's 00:17:31.329 --> 00:17:33.269 greater than it is and it's all powerful and 00:17:33.269 --> 00:17:35.589 all that kind of stuff, when push comes to shove, 00:17:35.630 --> 00:17:38.109 they don't want to have a regime that can treat 00:17:38.109 --> 00:17:40.990 their own lives with contempt. Nobody wants that, 00:17:41.069 --> 00:17:42.769 right? Because the moment that you get on the 00:17:42.769 --> 00:17:46.890 wrong side of it, that's it, right? So I think 00:17:46.890 --> 00:17:52.130 it's a question of who would have the confidence, 00:17:52.349 --> 00:17:55.779 right? of the Iranian people. I think that to 00:17:55.779 --> 00:17:59.519 me, it seems like the son of the Shah, right, 00:17:59.660 --> 00:18:02.220 with who they call the crown prince of Iran, 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:06.619 Reza Pahlavi, I don't know how, it's hard to 00:18:06.619 --> 00:18:09.480 know exactly how much support he has within Iran. 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:12.579 He has considerable support in Iran. And certainly 00:18:12.579 --> 00:18:15.079 outside of Iran, he has probably the most support 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:18.559 in the diaspora of any leader. The other thing 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.380 is that he promises to be a transitional leader, 00:18:21.460 --> 00:18:24.559 right? And this is always a big question, because 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:27.380 not everyone is like George Washington, where 00:18:27.380 --> 00:18:30.180 he kind of gives up his commission. I always 00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:31.940 get my shivers run up my spine whenever I see 00:18:31.940 --> 00:18:34.359 that in the Capitol, that incredible painting 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:37.519 of him resigning his commission. But that, unfortunately, 00:18:37.660 --> 00:18:40.119 is rare. Usually people promise. And then when 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:42.160 push comes to shove, they say, ah, I'm going 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:45.480 to stay in power, right? You know, the people 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:47.480 that know him, I've met him, I've spoken with 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:50.799 him, seems like a good, decent, honorable man. 00:18:51.859 --> 00:18:55.019 Now, is that 100 %? I can't say. But I do know 00:18:55.019 --> 00:18:57.440 other people that I trust who believe that he 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:00.880 wants to facilitate a legitimate democratic transition. 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:05.460 The other part is that the Iranian people actually 00:19:05.460 --> 00:19:09.559 do have a history of movement towards liberalism, 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:12.160 have an interest in that. This isn't like a situation 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:17.089 where in you know, many adjoining countries, 00:19:17.269 --> 00:19:22.430 right? It's actually very hard to imagine a liberal 00:19:22.430 --> 00:19:25.829 democratic society in the sense I'm talking about 00:19:25.829 --> 00:19:29.250 rule of law and enshrining personal freedoms, 00:19:29.670 --> 00:19:32.109 you know, First Amendment, things like that. 00:19:33.019 --> 00:19:34.960 many of those countries, you can't really imagine 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:36.700 that. And it was kind of a pipe dream to try 00:19:36.700 --> 00:19:38.880 to be creating that. But Iran is not a country 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:41.400 like that. In fact, in Iran, that of course, 00:19:41.460 --> 00:19:43.299 it'll be a process. They're not they're not going 00:19:43.299 --> 00:19:46.660 to jump into, you know, like a, you know, pure 00:19:46.660 --> 00:19:49.740 democracy like Taiwan has right now, which they're 00:19:49.740 --> 00:19:52.720 so proud of instantly, I don't think. But but 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:54.799 they're on that road. And they certainly have 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:57.140 seen what the opposite looks like. And they don't 00:19:57.140 --> 00:20:00.099 like it. Absolutely. Now. We talked about the 00:20:00.099 --> 00:20:02.200 disinformation, and you brought China in right 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:03.680 away, and I definitely want to talk to you about 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:06.559 this China connection. But for the point of clarity, 00:20:06.859 --> 00:20:10.380 are you saying that the disinformation is largely 00:20:10.380 --> 00:20:14.500 because of the CCP's involvement with Iran? I 00:20:14.500 --> 00:20:19.299 think Iran has its own massive tools of information 00:20:19.299 --> 00:20:21.579 warfare, which it's been deploying for ages. 00:20:23.950 --> 00:20:27.569 on behalf of Hamas, Hezbollah, again, a whole 00:20:27.569 --> 00:20:30.349 bunch of these non -state actors. I think it's 00:20:30.349 --> 00:20:33.109 been using the Palestinian people in the most 00:20:33.109 --> 00:20:38.250 horrible way, right? Kind of as a tool to foment 00:20:38.250 --> 00:20:41.190 unrest in the region. And so there's a whole 00:20:41.190 --> 00:20:44.210 big discussion to be had about that. But so, 00:20:44.329 --> 00:20:48.230 and just, again, it's very hard to see what's 00:20:48.230 --> 00:20:52.279 true. when a whole lot of the information out 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:55.740 there is designed to misdirect, designed to create 00:20:55.740 --> 00:21:00.259 confusion, designed, well, also to lie, of course. 00:21:01.279 --> 00:21:04.440 Now, however, the Chinese Communist Party is 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:08.039 the world leader at this and the most expert. 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:10.940 I mean, like, think about it, right? For 40 years, 00:21:11.940 --> 00:21:15.640 maybe not. Yeah, definitely 40 years, at least, 00:21:15.900 --> 00:21:19.339 we bought into this whole argument that China 00:21:19.339 --> 00:21:23.460 was liberalizing. This was fueled by Henry Kissinger 00:21:23.460 --> 00:21:26.660 under the Kissinger Doctrine, that if we put 00:21:26.660 --> 00:21:28.940 enough cash into communist China, it's going 00:21:28.940 --> 00:21:32.259 to liberalize. In fact, it's almost becoming 00:21:32.259 --> 00:21:36.180 democratic now. I remember in the 2000s, it was 00:21:36.180 --> 00:21:38.599 really crazy. I started working on China human 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:42.180 rights in that time, and I already knew that 00:21:42.180 --> 00:21:45.700 they were killing people for refusing to give 00:21:45.700 --> 00:21:49.289 up their faith. at scale. They were killing people 00:21:49.289 --> 00:21:51.690 for refusing to give up their faith at scale. 00:21:52.730 --> 00:21:55.369 What does that tell you? Well, there's a reason 00:21:55.369 --> 00:21:58.130 in America. The First Amendment is the First 00:21:58.130 --> 00:22:03.730 Amendment and the Bill of Rights. It's our fundamental 00:22:03.730 --> 00:22:07.609 protection from government. Our right to speak, 00:22:07.750 --> 00:22:11.710 these rights come from God. We have them. They're 00:22:11.710 --> 00:22:16.400 inalienable. The right to speech. the right to 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:20.619 assembly, the right to conscience, faith. The 00:22:20.619 --> 00:22:23.200 reason it's the First Amendment is because that 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:26.119 is our most core basic right in my understanding. 00:22:27.220 --> 00:22:31.039 If you're literally killing people for exercising 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:34.160 that right, the most basic right. You can take 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:37.440 away everything else. There's no way you're liberalizing. 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:41.740 It's an acid test. There's no chance you can 00:22:41.740 --> 00:22:45.819 be liberalizing if you're trying to control people's 00:22:45.819 --> 00:22:47.960 thoughts, to the point of killing them if they 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:52.759 have the wrong ones. I knew they're not liberalizing, 00:22:52.980 --> 00:22:55.839 but everyone believed it. This was a 95 -5 issue 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:59.720 right then, back in the day. Republican, Democrat, 00:22:59.900 --> 00:23:04.099 up, down, it was incredibly convincing. Many 00:23:04.099 --> 00:23:06.180 people would look at me like I'm a bit crazy 00:23:06.180 --> 00:23:08.279 and I'm like, but this just doesn't make any 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:11.119 sense. They're literally not liberalizing, just 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:14.259 because they tell you they are, they're liars. 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:18.140 But that was one of these massive narratives. 00:23:18.259 --> 00:23:19.940 Another one was that we're going to create this 00:23:19.940 --> 00:23:22.299 massive consumer market in China, which is how 00:23:22.299 --> 00:23:25.460 they leveraged our greed against us, the instrumentalized 00:23:25.460 --> 00:23:29.059 our greed against us. But they've been so good 00:23:29.059 --> 00:23:31.859 at this, what they call themselves, information 00:23:31.859 --> 00:23:35.740 warfare, media warfare. Yeah. Well, I've got 00:23:35.740 --> 00:23:39.019 two questions remaining more particular to Iran, 00:23:39.059 --> 00:23:40.799 and then I definitely want to move all the way 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:43.779 into China. But if you could help me and my listeners 00:23:43.779 --> 00:23:47.119 understand why the geopolitical context of the 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:50.740 Iran War is so important. Well, it's sort of 00:23:50.740 --> 00:23:53.940 hidden in the subtitle of my book, or not so 00:23:53.940 --> 00:23:57.539 hidden, but because the Chinese Communist Party 00:23:57.539 --> 00:24:01.720 is America's greatest adversary. It views America 00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:05.599 as its greatest adversary and its biggest obstacle 00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:09.380 to absolute power. What the Chinese Communist 00:24:09.380 --> 00:24:14.859 Party wants the most is guaranteed survival and 00:24:14.859 --> 00:24:19.099 guaranteed supremacy. And anytime there is a 00:24:19.099 --> 00:24:23.960 very successful, large, free society, okay with 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:26.339 all its warts and all with all its huge problems 00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:31.539 by the way right this is an anathema to any communist 00:24:31.539 --> 00:24:33.619 regime because a communist regime first of all 00:24:33.619 --> 00:24:37.240 believes that it needs to spread itself right 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:42.559 one two it it understands it's illegitimate okay 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:44.740 it does not have the will of the people understands 00:24:44.740 --> 00:24:47.000 this that's why communist regimes always kill 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:50.180 so many of their own people in the pursuit of 00:24:50.180 --> 00:24:55.150 that supremacy And, you know, whenever this is 00:24:55.150 --> 00:24:58.109 in a smaller way, this is why Taiwan is such 00:24:58.109 --> 00:25:01.789 a threat to China, because it's it shows that 00:25:01.789 --> 00:25:04.589 the Chinese people can do incredibly well as 00:25:04.589 --> 00:25:06.849 free people, which is kind of goes against another 00:25:06.849 --> 00:25:08.730 one of their big pieces of propaganda, which 00:25:08.730 --> 00:25:11.430 is that the Chinese people need the heavy boot 00:25:11.430 --> 00:25:14.789 of the Communist Party in order to to be successful. 00:25:14.890 --> 00:25:17.230 Otherwise, it'll be chaos. You know, that's that's 00:25:17.230 --> 00:25:20.890 their propaganda. I think it's the exactly opposite 00:25:20.890 --> 00:25:28.480 is the reality, but. So the reason China views 00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:31.339 America as its enemy and it's designed its entire 00:25:31.339 --> 00:25:34.839 military under the Communist Party to be able 00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:38.559 to fight America, right? It's basically like, 00:25:38.980 --> 00:25:42.339 and it's created this whole Belt and Road Initiative 00:25:42.339 --> 00:25:45.359 and sort of trying to co -opt all these nations 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.579 across the world. I forget how many are part 00:25:48.579 --> 00:25:50.519 of the Belt and Road Initiative, but a huge number, 00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:54.269 right? in all sorts of different ways, through 00:25:54.269 --> 00:25:58.730 putting in their surveillance telecom, Huawei, 00:26:00.250 --> 00:26:05.509 and surveillance drones, DJI, and all these different 00:26:05.509 --> 00:26:07.410 pieces of the surveillance state, which, by the 00:26:07.410 --> 00:26:09.650 way, they still have complete control over, even 00:26:09.650 --> 00:26:11.589 though the dictator in the country they're working 00:26:11.589 --> 00:26:14.690 with is thrilled to have this great tech to control 00:26:14.690 --> 00:26:16.829 the population with. Guess who has the ultimate 00:26:16.829 --> 00:26:21.210 control? And so the geopolitical context, now 00:26:21.210 --> 00:26:24.690 I'm going to answer your question directly, is 00:26:24.690 --> 00:26:29.890 that China, I mean, this sounds kind of ha -ha, 00:26:30.170 --> 00:26:32.789 but it wants to rule the world. And it doesn't 00:26:32.789 --> 00:26:34.890 mean it wants to kill everybody. It doesn't want 00:26:34.890 --> 00:26:38.210 to harm people. It wants compliant, vassal states 00:26:38.210 --> 00:26:41.069 with no impediment to its survival and supremacy. 00:26:41.710 --> 00:26:44.829 And it's actually gone a long way. It's co -opted 00:26:44.829 --> 00:26:49.119 many multilateral institutions like the UN. WHO. 00:26:49.420 --> 00:26:52.259 I mean, what a disaster, right? The WHO just 00:26:52.259 --> 00:26:55.339 kind of accepted China's story on like COVID, 00:26:55.460 --> 00:26:58.299 you know, like just crazy things. Like you can't, 00:26:58.339 --> 00:27:00.420 why would you take anything the Chinese Communist 00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:02.779 Party ever said at face value? That is crazy, 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.000 right? Because again, because it's that what 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:07.299 they say has nothing to do with reality. It's 00:27:07.299 --> 00:27:12.019 a messaging exercise for strategic purpose. It's 00:27:12.019 --> 00:27:17.089 not. So There's the multilateral institutions 00:27:17.089 --> 00:27:19.730 and it's co -opted all sorts of countries around 00:27:19.730 --> 00:27:22.589 the world. For example, it's helped Venezuela 00:27:22.589 --> 00:27:28.650 in its pursuit. I want to talk about almost a 00:27:28.650 --> 00:27:31.910 failed state because the communist government 00:27:31.910 --> 00:27:36.349 basically stole all the riches, but in the process, 00:27:36.569 --> 00:27:39.250 getting close to bankrupted the country and created 00:27:39.250 --> 00:27:43.250 a transnational narco terror network in the region. 00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:46.460 Again, very convenient for Communist China, which 00:27:46.460 --> 00:27:48.740 kind of acts as the head don, if you will, if 00:27:48.740 --> 00:27:52.339 you want to use the mafia analogy, right? There's 00:27:52.339 --> 00:27:56.579 these different cartels and so forth. Well, the 00:27:56.579 --> 00:27:59.460 Communist Party is kind of the top of the list, 00:27:59.460 --> 00:28:01.680 right? And actually cooperates very closely with 00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:04.000 a lot of these cartels in the same way cartels 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:06.119 cooperate with each other saying, look, let's 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:10.640 work together. I'll help you be rich. Of course, 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:13.910 this is an offer you can't refuse. because you 00:28:13.910 --> 00:28:16.410 know what we do to people that don't comply, 00:28:16.589 --> 00:28:18.250 you can either be rich or you can be dead, your 00:28:18.250 --> 00:28:24.009 choice, right? Anyway, and this is the scenario 00:28:24.009 --> 00:28:26.450 and they've been working, actively working to 00:28:26.450 --> 00:28:30.069 try to basically create all these beachheads 00:28:30.069 --> 00:28:32.230 around the world from which through which they 00:28:32.230 --> 00:28:36.609 can basically subvert American power. or really 00:28:36.609 --> 00:28:39.349 free power, because unfortunately, that's another 00:28:39.349 --> 00:28:42.450 thing that a lot of the power in the free world 00:28:42.450 --> 00:28:45.009 right now in terms of actually being able to 00:28:45.009 --> 00:28:49.109 express power is in the US's hands and among 00:28:49.109 --> 00:28:53.049 free societies. Europe has shown itself to be, 00:28:53.049 --> 00:28:55.549 I don't know if feckless is the right word, but 00:28:55.549 --> 00:28:58.900 it's really disappointing. Extremely disappointing. 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:01.140 Frankly, it's unclear whether they even have 00:29:01.140 --> 00:29:04.200 the ability to project power in many ways, which 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:08.720 is incredibly dangerous because these dictatorships, 00:29:08.900 --> 00:29:10.799 they have a very strong interest in projecting 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:14.220 power. They don't respond well to suggestions. 00:29:15.420 --> 00:29:17.599 They need to know, you have to have the leverage 00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:20.920 to say, look, if you hurt me, You're gonna suffer 00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:23.740 a lot more in return your power is gonna suffer 00:29:23.740 --> 00:29:25.099 a lot more That's the only way you can kind of 00:29:25.099 --> 00:29:27.019 keep them in check Otherwise they they're gonna 00:29:27.019 --> 00:29:29.599 try to project that power and gather more for 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:31.680 themselves. That's just what they do, right? 00:29:32.380 --> 00:29:35.299 So thank God President Trump has the ability 00:29:35.299 --> 00:29:38.000 to not only speak what he means But we have the 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.960 power the military power to back up the information 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.740 that he's imposing So you've said that Iran certainly 00:29:44.740 --> 00:29:49.069 hates America China hates America. And rather 00:29:49.069 --> 00:29:53.369 than China siding or partnering with Iran, China 00:29:53.369 --> 00:29:55.309 is feeling the heat. They're feeling threatened 00:29:55.309 --> 00:29:58.009 by Iran. Did I understand you correctly? No, 00:29:58.109 --> 00:30:02.869 I probably maybe didn't say that properly. No, 00:30:02.970 --> 00:30:06.829 I feel like there might be a sense of what you 00:30:06.829 --> 00:30:10.650 just said, because I think Iran thought China 00:30:10.650 --> 00:30:13.369 had its back a lot more than has been revealed 00:30:13.369 --> 00:30:17.220 in this recent war. Again, you want to talk about 00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:20.319 the geopolitical play, right? I think, first 00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:23.039 of all, China and Venezuela, between them, a 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:26.420 third of Chinese Communist Party oil came from 00:30:26.420 --> 00:30:29.319 those two countries. So this is a huge disruption 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:32.619 to their energy, right? To China's. To China's. 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.099 And again, Communist China only understands the 00:30:35.099 --> 00:30:38.180 language of power. They're not interested in 00:30:38.180 --> 00:30:42.200 negotiating. That's all kind of a subterfuge, 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.480 only so far as it's convenient to maintain power. 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:47.059 But they don't believe in win -win. They don't 00:30:47.059 --> 00:30:49.619 believe in working together. They just believe 00:30:49.619 --> 00:30:52.839 in finding the place they can put the knife in, 00:30:52.880 --> 00:31:01.140 so to speak. When there's this great commentator, 00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.900 and I've adopted this from him, Christopher Balding, 00:31:04.339 --> 00:31:06.539 you can think of it like horse's head diplomacy. 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.539 If you go in and you remember Godfather, right? 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:14.619 The horse's head in the bed kind of thing. Well, 00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:17.759 that's the language that CCP really does understand, 00:31:17.859 --> 00:31:21.259 actually. And so what have we seen through these 00:31:21.259 --> 00:31:26.240 between Iran and Venezuela? We've seen the abject 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.200 failure of Chinese defense systems, all shown 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.920 to the world, right? We've seen the US being 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.380 able to exact power incredibly consequentially. 00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:38.559 Now, There's debate about this when it comes 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.720 to Iran, and there are questions, right? If the 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:44.660 president can finish this war quickly, as has 00:31:44.660 --> 00:31:46.920 been the plan and as he says he's going to do, 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:51.960 that will be a resounding, let's call it a success, 00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:55.579 and it will show the US can do these kinds of 00:31:55.579 --> 00:31:59.640 operations the way that they're planned, largely, 00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:03.160 of course, and with incredible effectiveness. 00:32:03.700 --> 00:32:07.130 Now, a huge problem would be is if what China 00:32:07.130 --> 00:32:11.730 and Russia and these other dictatorship -type 00:32:11.730 --> 00:32:13.990 states would be interested in is seeing this 00:32:13.990 --> 00:32:17.069 war continue as long as possible, keep the Americas 00:32:17.069 --> 00:32:20.049 embroiled, keep America's gaze, again, away from 00:32:20.049 --> 00:32:24.269 China, but on Iran, which has been actually the 00:32:24.269 --> 00:32:26.390 problem, which has been their strategy all along. 00:32:27.509 --> 00:32:32.339 That would be a big problem, I think. I imagine 00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:36.000 that the president wants to wrap this up as quickly 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.500 as possible. There's always a lot of variables. 00:32:39.660 --> 00:32:44.980 War is not an exact process. I know that you 00:32:44.980 --> 00:32:48.740 saw the Houthis trying to get into things recently. 00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.180 All of this just kind of requires being dealt 00:32:52.180 --> 00:32:55.119 with. But it does seem to me, based on what I've 00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.359 seen, is that the idea of degrading Iran's ability 00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:03.009 to wage war that a lot of these you know there's 00:33:03.009 --> 00:33:05.150 that manifests in different ways degrading the 00:33:05.150 --> 00:33:08.089 nuclear program degrading the ballistic missile 00:33:08.089 --> 00:33:13.329 uh you know arsenal and program um there's there's 00:33:13.329 --> 00:33:15.589 multiple elements but it seems like that is being 00:33:15.589 --> 00:33:21.009 achieved uh and you know and a whole lot of problems 00:33:21.009 --> 00:33:23.329 associated with that so i i don't know i i if 00:33:23.329 --> 00:33:26.490 i was gonna guess and i'm not a military strategist 00:33:26.809 --> 00:33:30.230 But again, I'm inclined to believe what the president 00:33:30.230 --> 00:33:35.609 has been saying. As we're filming in a few hours, 00:33:35.710 --> 00:33:37.750 it's going to be 9 p .m. We're going to get an 00:33:37.750 --> 00:33:40.789 update. I have no idea what that is. We'll find 00:33:40.789 --> 00:33:46.150 out. But I'm inclined to believe that the president 00:33:46.150 --> 00:33:51.230 is being truthful and consequential with both 00:33:51.230 --> 00:33:55.650 his strategies and What he says has been accomplished 00:33:55.650 --> 00:33:58.910 or not because he's not like I've just never 00:33:58.910 --> 00:34:02.869 seen him Say something's been accomplished and 00:34:02.869 --> 00:34:05.369 it hasn't been for example Sometimes it can be 00:34:05.369 --> 00:34:08.230 a little he can you know make things a bit bigger 00:34:08.230 --> 00:34:12.070 than they really are. We know that right but 00:34:12.070 --> 00:34:15.949 Unlike again a lot of other politicians whatever 00:34:15.949 --> 00:34:18.610 stripes. I think I think he's shown himself to 00:34:18.610 --> 00:34:23.099 be to try to keep the promises that he makes, 00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:25.800 basically. And I think that's one of the reasons 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:29.179 the people that vote for him like him, because 00:34:29.179 --> 00:34:31.460 they know that he's gonna do the thing he said 00:34:31.460 --> 00:34:42.360 as opposed to something else. Yan mentioned his 00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:46.099 book titled, Killed to Order, China's Organ Harvesting 00:34:46.099 --> 00:34:49.539 Industry and the True Nature of America's Biggest 00:34:49.539 --> 00:34:52.440 Adversary. We'll discuss more about his book 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:54.679 in parts two and three, but I want you to know 00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:57.000 I have the details for you to learn more and 00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:59.579 to purchase his best -selling book in my show 00:34:59.579 --> 00:35:02.780 notes. His book can be ordered online using my 00:35:02.780 --> 00:35:06.699 Amazon link. Yan explained, beyond the war on 00:35:06.699 --> 00:35:10.159 the ground, the information war is thick. China 00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:13.059 has been helping to fund Iran, and because of 00:35:13.059 --> 00:35:15.539 China's reliance on getting oil and more from 00:35:15.539 --> 00:35:18.500 Iran, this present war is causing China some 00:35:18.500 --> 00:35:21.659 serious losses and instability. In the past, 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.880 China enjoyed the instability in the Middle East, 00:35:25.340 --> 00:35:28.719 specifically Iraq and Afghanistan, but Iran is 00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:31.559 a different story for China. Yan explained the 00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:34.460 China Communist Party views the United States 00:35:34.460 --> 00:35:38.119 as its greatest obstacle for China to gain absolute 00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:41.239 power. And I'll add, as we've been learning from 00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:43.800 Promethean action, with the United States no 00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:46.699 longer being a proxy of the British Empire, the 00:35:46.699 --> 00:35:49.559 threat from the United States for China is even 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.559 greater. Here is where I want to add to what 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.400 Yan said about the geopolitical context of the 00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:58.719 Iran War and how incredibly important it is. 00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:03.000 Iran holds high geopolitical value for China. 00:36:03.380 --> 00:36:06.219 Its location, linking East and West, has made 00:36:06.219 --> 00:36:08.860 it an important node in the Beijing Belt and 00:36:08.860 --> 00:36:11.699 Road Initiative. This foreign policy platform 00:36:11.699 --> 00:36:15.260 presents itself as a global infrastructure development 00:36:15.260 --> 00:36:19.239 program. In an article titled Why a Waning Iranian 00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.480 Regime is a Major Setback for China, we are told, 00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:26.320 quote, Iran is key in Beijing's efforts to exert 00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:28.920 influence in the Middle East, circumvent the 00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:31.880 United States sanctions, and counter the dollar 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:35.579 system, end quote. It's a great article for background, 00:36:35.860 --> 00:36:38.579 but specific for today's focus, I'll share, quote, 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:41.940 although China buys the majority of Iranian oil, 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.519 Purchases from Iran make up about 13 percent 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.260 of China's total oil imports. Without Iran, China 00:36:49.260 --> 00:36:52.099 can source oil elsewhere, albeit not at the current 00:36:52.099 --> 00:36:55.199 deep discount Iran offers to circumvent U .S. 00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.809 sanctions. However, if the Iranian regime emerges 00:36:58.809 --> 00:37:01.809 from the current crisis more aligned with the 00:37:01.809 --> 00:37:04.730 United States, its reliance on sanctions -driven 00:37:04.730 --> 00:37:07.909 economic arrangements may diminish. Should Tehran 00:37:07.909 --> 00:37:10.269 no longer need to sell the bulk of its oil to 00:37:10.269 --> 00:37:13.489 China, Beijing would lose a key lever of influence 00:37:13.489 --> 00:37:16.230 in the Middle East, according to China expert 00:37:16.230 --> 00:37:20.610 Alexander Liao. In his view, the secularization 00:37:20.610 --> 00:37:23.769 of Iran changes a long -standing Middle Eastern 00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:27.150 structure underpinned by fear, that is, fear 00:37:27.150 --> 00:37:29.050 of the great bully of the Middle East, which 00:37:29.050 --> 00:37:33.550 is Iran. Liao stated, quote, Why do Gulf Arab 00:37:33.550 --> 00:37:36.170 states still anchor their security in the United 00:37:36.170 --> 00:37:39.579 States while hedging with China and Russia? One 00:37:39.579 --> 00:37:42.599 critical reason is their inability to rule out 00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.900 abrupt and destabilizing actions by Iran, when 00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:49.699 Iran is no longer a theocratic system, that uncertainty 00:37:49.699 --> 00:37:53.760 will decrease. Liao described the pact as an 00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.460 institutional channel for military and technological 00:37:56.460 --> 00:37:59.440 exchanges to circumvent United States sanctions 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.900 and counter the dollar system. If this channel 00:38:02.900 --> 00:38:05.599 is severed, he says, that means a major setback 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.829 to China on a strategic level. According to Liao, 00:38:09.190 --> 00:38:11.329 a central strategy of the Chinese regime has 00:38:11.329 --> 00:38:14.809 been to link energy, currency, and geopolitics 00:38:14.809 --> 00:38:18.849 to advance a yuan -based commodities trade system, 00:38:19.230 --> 00:38:22.110 with the belt and road serving as a primary vehicle 00:38:22.110 --> 00:38:24.949 for this effort. He added that the Chinese Communist 00:38:24.949 --> 00:38:28.769 Party views such a platform as critical to advancing 00:38:28.769 --> 00:38:32.449 its de -dollarization agenda and challenging 00:38:32.449 --> 00:38:35.480 United States primacy. The Atlantic Council, 00:38:35.659 --> 00:38:38.239 a Washington -based think tank, reported that 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:42.099 Iran, Russia and China have created an alternative 00:38:42.099 --> 00:38:45.480 market of sanctioned oil wherein payments are 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.920 denominated in Chinese currency. Iran's oil trade 00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:53.460 is estimated about $40 billion annually in recent 00:38:53.460 --> 00:38:55.900 years, according to the U .S. Energy Information 00:38:55.900 --> 00:38:59.039 Administration. This estimate does not factor 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.619 in price discounts China has received from Iran. 00:39:02.940 --> 00:39:06.800 Settling energy trade in Chinese yuan is also 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.960 contingent on Iran's anti -western posture. If 00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:13.900 that changes, Liao said, settlement in yuan would 00:39:13.900 --> 00:39:16.820 cease to be beneficial and instead become a burden, 00:39:17.179 --> 00:39:20.440 given that the Chinese currency is not freely 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:24.739 tradable." Now this article does not take into 00:39:24.739 --> 00:39:27.500 consideration the many actions of President Trump's 00:39:27.500 --> 00:39:30.320 economic policies that have adversely impacted 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:33.460 the BRICS nations and their intentions while 00:39:33.460 --> 00:39:36.360 restoring America as a sovereign nation and the 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:39.619 US dollar status as the global reserve currency. 00:39:40.460 --> 00:39:43.820 I plan to have Dr. Scott Young back on my program 00:39:43.820 --> 00:39:46.599 soon to give us an update about global economics. 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:50.119 Another thing to consider is should the United 00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:52.639 States establish friendly relations with a new 00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:56.440 Iran regime, what used to be a lever of instability 00:39:56.440 --> 00:39:59.840 would now become a lever of stability. This would 00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:02.719 make the Middle East more stable, bringing great 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:04.940 benefit to Israel and the other Middle Eastern 00:40:04.940 --> 00:40:08.280 countries. If Iran can come back as a strong 00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:12.190 economy, it won't need China anymore. Now, I 00:40:12.190 --> 00:40:14.210 want to share the prophecy God spoke through 00:40:14.210 --> 00:40:17.809 Julie Green on March 28th that Julie posted on 00:40:17.809 --> 00:40:42.619 April 1st, 2026. will be in your news for a significant 00:40:42.619 --> 00:40:45.920 reason. The Mediterranean Sea will continue to 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:49.000 be in your news. Military movements are taking 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.300 place all over the Middle East to take out these 00:40:52.300 --> 00:40:55.840 rogue regimes against Israel and the United States. 00:40:56.300 --> 00:40:59.860 You'll continue to hear about warships and submarines 00:40:59.860 --> 00:41:02.880 making moves to stop your enemies from taking 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:07.159 their next moves to attack my nations. The Red 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.320 Sea will be in your news for an unprecedented 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:13.079 reason. When you see this, remember that a Red 00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.800 Sea moment is coming to the land of my eagle. 00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:19.420 The Arabian Sea will be in your news for a shocking 00:41:19.420 --> 00:41:22.559 reason. Biblical signs are happening everywhere 00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.000 to show you, my children, that I am still the 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:28.159 Great I Am that's in the Bible, and I am judging 00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:31.440 the enemies who are against me. The Suez Canal 00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:33.739 will be in your news for a surprising reason. 00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.639 The Gulf of Oman will be in your news for a significant 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.900 reason. A smoking gun will soon come out proving 00:41:40.900 --> 00:41:44.199 China helped other nations across the world using 00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:47.000 their technology to gang up against the United 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.480 States to steal elections in any way they could. 00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.019 Proof will come out in shocking ways of all the 00:41:54.019 --> 00:41:56.619 proof that Obama and the Biden regime thought 00:41:56.619 --> 00:41:59.219 they covered their tracks regarding how they 00:41:59.219 --> 00:42:01.880 got Chinese fake paper ballots into the United 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:05.039 States. All will come out in explosive ways. 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.079 All the spies that have been embedded in your 00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:11.539 government will all be evicted. Every politician 00:42:11.539 --> 00:42:13.880 who is working closely with China and helped 00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:16.500 them breach the servers for their electronic 00:42:16.500 --> 00:42:18.760 machines and every other way China stole your 00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:21.500 elections with the deep state's help will all 00:42:21.500 --> 00:42:25.179 be exposed. China will soon fall and their economy 00:42:25.179 --> 00:42:28.960 gutted. Their president forcibly removed. President 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:31.940 Xi will be judged like I have judged pharaohs 00:42:31.940 --> 00:42:35.440 against my people. Italy, oh Italy, how you have 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.300 worked with China and the deep state to interfere 00:42:38.300 --> 00:42:41.380 with the United States elections. Drastic measures 00:42:41.380 --> 00:42:44.440 will be taken against those in Italy that are 00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.809 against my nation. Shocking proof that came out 00:42:47.809 --> 00:42:50.170 right after the 2020 election that was buried 00:42:50.170 --> 00:42:53.269 by the Biden regime. This proof will come out 00:42:53.269 --> 00:42:56.090 again and show how the Biden, Obama, and the 00:42:56.090 --> 00:42:59.110 Deep State gave Italy what they needed to breach 00:42:59.110 --> 00:43:02.730 that election. It was all hands on deck to fight 00:43:02.730 --> 00:43:06.210 against my David coming back. They all knew he 00:43:06.210 --> 00:43:09.250 would destroy their governments and their great 00:43:09.250 --> 00:43:13.150 reset. No matter who or what they used to stop 00:43:13.150 --> 00:43:16.900 him, it is failing. More leaders of nations will 00:43:16.900 --> 00:43:20.599 be removed in unprecedented ways. My David has 00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:23.719 what he needs to take out every government against 00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.559 this country. More arrests are coming. More governments 00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.900 will fall. More military strikes will take place 00:43:30.900 --> 00:43:34.639 across my nations to stop the One World Government 00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.460 from completing their mission to wipe out the 00:43:37.460 --> 00:43:40.329 United States and Israel. They will never see 00:43:40.329 --> 00:43:42.989 that take place because I am the protector of 00:43:42.989 --> 00:43:46.030 both nations and nothing they do will get past 00:43:46.030 --> 00:43:50.750 me." There is so much going on in our world, 00:43:50.989 --> 00:43:53.449 but one thing we must do is to remain focused 00:43:53.449 --> 00:43:56.389 on what God says. And one of the things he's 00:43:56.389 --> 00:43:59.829 often repeated is, things are not as they appear. 00:44:00.449 --> 00:44:03.489 Don't be swayed by what mainstream media reports. 00:44:03.750 --> 00:44:06.489 In fact, a good rule of thumb is to know to focus 00:44:06.489 --> 00:44:10.340 on the opposite of whatever they claim. Mainstream 00:44:10.340 --> 00:44:13.360 media is controlled by the globalist deep state. 00:44:13.659 --> 00:44:16.139 Whatever and whomever they claim are the problems 00:44:16.139 --> 00:44:19.659 and bad guys, it's intended to sway us away from 00:44:19.659 --> 00:44:23.059 the truth. Next week, I'm thrilled to bring you 00:44:23.059 --> 00:44:25.900 part two of my interview with Jan Jokolic so 00:44:25.900 --> 00:44:28.119 we can gain more truthful understanding about 00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:30.719 what the war in Iran and the Chinese connection 00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.809 is all about. 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