Greetings and welcome to this edition of Faith
to Live By. I'm Pam Christian, the researcher,
writer, producer, and host of this podcast, where
each week I help us explore current events from
a biblical and prophetic perspective. My guest
again today is Barry Wunsch, a most respected
modern -day prophet of God who resides in Canada
and has acquired the moniker of the Canadian
hammer. I relate with Barry in that description,
since one woman described me as precisely the
velvet hammer the church needs today. Well, my
impact seems to be consistent based on other
descriptions of me. For example, while I was
speaking to a live audience, another woman shouted
out saying, ouch, that hurt, but hit me again.
We all laughed. And another time while a group
of us were waiting in a buffet line, one woman
turned to me and said, you are the nicest bully
I have ever met. Well that one made all of us
in line laugh out loud. And there are other descriptions
of me from people who have heard me speak and
teach. You might enjoy reading. I've got a link
to the testimonial page in the show notes. Barry
is here to share recent prophetic visions God
has given him that based on current events we
have every reason to expect to be eminently fulfilled.
As I explained last week, when God gives us prophecy,
it's to warn us so we can intentionally align
ourselves with God to make certain we are in
His protection and provision. Additionally, God
gives us prophecy so we can be actively engaged
in what He is doing, working in partnership with
Him to see His kingdom will done on earth as
it is in heaven. I want us to understand how
prophecy works by knowing there are two different
kinds of God's prophetic promises. There are
conditional and unconditional. When it comes
to conditional promises, God expects us to respond
as he instructs in order for us to benefit from
his promise. Let me explain. When it comes to
conditional promises or prophecy, God always
reveals what will happen based on our response.
The best example of a conditional promise or
prophecy is found in the offer of salvation.
Now, let's consider why God offers humanity salvation.
According to the first book in the Bible, Genesis,
when God created the first man in his image,
he specifically commanded him saying, of every
tree in the garden you may eat freely. But of
the tree of knowledge of good and evil you shall
not eat, for in the day you eat of it you shall
surely die." Soon afterwards, from the first
man known as Adam, God created the first woman,
who was later named Eve, recognizing her to become
the mother of all humanity. At this point, both
Adam and Eve were holy and pure, able to freely
relate to God without any hindrance. God intended
Adam and Eve to conceive, and through their offspring,
God's beloved humanity would come forth. However,
before they had any children, the enemy of God
known as Satan enticed the first woman to reject
God's specific instructions and to eat from the
forbidden tree. She in turn persuaded her husband
Adam to also eat of it. In so doing, just as
God prophetically forewarned, their action resulted
in their pure eternal spirits dying, which meant
eternal separation from God and all that is good.
This act of rejecting God's instruction was in
reality the rejection of God Himself and their
choice to be aligned with Satan instead. This
brought sin and evil into all of creation and
resulted in what we refer to as our fallen world.
It was and is ever and only God's will for all
humanity to be in right relationship with him
as his children. However, now all the offspring
of Adam and Eve would be born with the same spiritually
dead condition, making them, making all of us,
enemies of God from birth. Grieved at the estrangement
of his human offspring in his love and supreme
creative power, God promised the first man and
woman a way of escape from the rejection of God,
which is sin. This promise or covenant with God
required they willingly obey His instructions
for redemption that would grant them salvation.
In other words, their ability to be redeemed
was conditional based on their obedience. It
was through an act of individual human will that
sin entered humanity. Therefore, it requires
an act of each individual's will to be restored
to God. The offer of redemption, then, is a perfect
example of a conditional prophetic promise of
God. An example of God's unconditional prophetic
promise is Jesus' return in the final stages
of God's promise of redemption. Jesus' return
is not conditioned on anything we do. It will
happen, regardless who does or does not choose
to be restored into a right relationship with
God the Father through faith in Jesus Christ
by the power of the third person of God known
as the Holy Spirit. Now, in anticipation of questions
some may have hearing just this much, God makes
certain every human being ever born is aware
of the choice before them. Part of how he accomplishes
this is through those of us who have chosen life,
who have chosen to be restored to God through
faith in Jesus, and then we become the messengers
of the gospel, which is the offer of redemption.
We are to help others learn of the truth of the
choice before them. And all throughout history,
we have testimonies of people who were never
reached with the message of the gospel through
a human being directly. And God instead supernaturally
made them aware of the offer through visions,
dreams, and encounters. Today, for example, there
are countless people from the Middle East reporting
supernatural encounters that have brought them
to a proper faith in Jesus. You can find reports
of this all over the internet, and you might
want to use the links I provided in the show
notes as a starting point. A word of caution,
however. God has commissioned those of us. who
discover the truth of Jesus to share the gospel
message with others. In Matthew chapter 20 verses
18 to 20 we read Jesus's word saying all authority
in heaven and on earth has been given to me therefore
go and make disciples of all nations baptizing
them in the name of the father and of the son
and of the holy spirit and teaching them to obey
everything i have commanded you and surely i
am with you always to the very end of the age.
And elsewhere in the Bible, we learn of those
of us who have come to believe and receive Jesus
as our Savior and Lord, being fully equipped
to do what Jesus has commissioned us to do. Therefore,
we will be held accountable regarding this instruction,
regarding this great commission. I offer that
caution because I don't want anyone to believe
they can shirk this privileged duty of sharing
the gospel, waiting on God to supernaturally
present Jesus to others. I also offer that as
a framework for what you will now hear from Barry
Wunsch. If you don't know about Barry, he is
a Canadian prophet and a consultant with a deep
love for Canada, wielding the heart of a reformer.
Through his 20 plus years in ministry, Barry
has become recognized as a humble prophet of
God, unrelenting in his calling. He has been
uniquely positioned to influence strategic men
and women to usher God's will for the nation
of Canada, and he's been entrusted by God to
share prophecies for other nations of the world
as well. You can learn more about Barry from
the link in the show notes. Picking up from last
week, I start at the point where Barry emphasizes
the importance of righteous men and women fulfilling
various roles in the governments of nations,
so that the righteous rule and the people rejoice,
as opposed to what the nations of the world have
suffered in recent decades under the leadership
of the wicked. Now here's part two of my interview
with Barry Wunsch. But I'm going to say that
there's actually another level here that we don't
like to talk about and that's actually governmentally.
And bringing, you know, governmental leaders,
you know, from a kingdom position of governance
under the father. to reign in his values, standards,
and ethics. The sovereignty of God and the rule
of law. As we do that, you start to see a nation
changed. That's why we see President Trump is
doing this in extraordinary ways. His influence
upon other nations as he's putting pressure on
this and pressure on that, it's causing a manifestation
of the deep state and the evil kings to manifest.
And they're very uncomfortable with losing this
position of tyrancy that they've had, you know,
bringing destabilization. And so, you know, my
understanding is this, and we know that there
are leaders that operate, you know, in and through
powers and principalities that you know, global
ones that, you know, bring great harm. And so
there does, in fact, come a time, you know, whether
we like to believe it or not, where you kind
of have to root those things out. And God will
give an anointing for that to protect His people.
So I know I said a lot there, but, you know,
I hope that makes some sense. Absolutely, I appreciate
how you explain prophecy and that what God is
giving you with these visions and dreams and
the different ways that He downloads information
to you, because you are one of His proven trusted
prophets, His servant, what God is giving you
is a glimpse. into what's going on in the spiritual
realm that is about to manifest in the natural
realm so that you can alert God's people. And
just as you said, we can partner with God and
go into prayer to have the victory that He is
showing you actually come to pass. Now, you mentioned
a lot of nations. I mean, I heard you say China
and Ukraine and America, and I think you even
said North Korea. Are there more nations that
you saw in this experience? specifically highlighted
to me. And these ones, you know, there are nations
that detest what is being revealed here and what
light is exposing. And let's face it, there are
nations that have intentions to bring great harm
upon North American soil. Now you also mentioned
the peace treaty with Israel and Hamas. Yes.
So there's got to be many nations in the Middle
East that are going to be impacted by all of
this that the Lord downloaded. Yes. You know,
so I think here is where we need tremendous discernment.
You know, as these things are confronted, you
know, and this balance of power shifts, you know,
we've got You know we we know that in in years
past there's been threats against America from
and even recently with America going in and and
doing the strike and around You know taking out
a bunch of their nuclear facilities that you
know basically they want to wipe Israel off the
map and they want to want to wipe you know us
in the West off the map and so you know these
are these are some of the things that are Are
kind of standing in the way So I think one of
the things that we do need to really pick up
in prayer are these threats within, you know,
the American cities that, you know, the deep
state, the cabal, you know, there are threats
on American soil that have bad intentions. And
so this is where, you know, with President Trump,
you know, bringing forward the Insurrection Act,
you know, this is not... You know, this is his
intention to go and root out and pull out these
international threats that are on your soil and
on Canadian soil for that matter. And so, you
know, I think this is a pretty big deal because
it could strike a lot of fear into people, you
know, when you see that this kind of moment,
you know, kind of going on. So that's one thing
that I think we do really need to to pray about
is that, is again, that no weapon formed against
us will prosper and that these ones that need
to be rooted out will be. You know, as I was
hearing the events unfold with President Trump
negotiating and helping to have negotiated the
peace deal in the Middle East, one of the things
that came to me loud and clear was the scriptures
talking about when they say, peace, peace, then
the end shall come. Right. How has that struck
you? How has this real -world situation struck
you in your spirit when it comes to what the
Lord has revealed in the book of Revelation?
Yeah, well, you know what, I look at it this
way. You know, I think there are a lot of folks
that are looking to get on a rapture rug or kind
of be beamed out of here, you know, before a
conflict. you know personally I believe that
the Lord never has run away from a fight in his
life nor has he ever lost one and and I think
that he's actually looking you know to get believers
off the couch and actually function a little
bit and I think that you know that whole uh you
know rapture theology has really hurt us because
it's put us in an in a mode of of neutral neutrality
where you know, we're going to be kind of beamed
out of here anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
And so, you know, I'm not a super, you know,
for me when it comes into the, you know, the
theology of, you know, this or that, you know,
for me, you know, I just think it's going to
unfold much differently than what perhaps we've
been taught. And perhaps those being taken out
of the way first are evil ones. You know, that
could maybe be more like it, by whatever means
that happens. That sure seems to be what the
Lord's been communicating through His prophets
in recent months. That's at least how I take
it as well. And I also think of Jesus saying
that when He returns, will He find faith? God
is strengthening the body of Christ. My statement
often has been that Jesus is not returning for
a bride that is wimpy and weak. pure and spotless
bride who has made herself ready. And I think
part of what we've been dealing with, especially
since 2020, has been an urgent pressing by the
Lord to make the Ecclesia ready for His plans
and His will on earth. That's right. That's right.
You know, I think that, you know, that old saying,
faith without works is dead. And a lot of people
say, well, what can I do? Well, do you know what
you can pray? You can make some phone calls.
You can share. There's different ways that you
can get involved. And I think the other part
is that the Church is really going through some
big transformation. And I think that even that
is going to look a lot different. And we've gotten
used to kind of a church that you know it's more
spectator sometimes than it is actually function
and so you know when when we look at all the
giftings that he's put in his body each and every
one is important and and how does that come it
comes through relationship it comes through you
know we are the church he's in you he's in me
he's in all the viewers we are the church you
know where it's not contained in a building And
so I think that He's looking to see people activated
in that love in Him, in their community, at their
jobs, at their, you know, bringing hope, bringing
love, bringing healing, bringing, you know, encouragement.
You know, these are places where I believe the
body really, you know, needs to shine and just
have a boldness and a... courageousness in love
to bring hope, you know, at their workplaces
and, you know, whether they're in the hospital
or whether they're in a boardroom or, you know,
wherever they're positioned, you know, they can
be light. And, you know, a little bit of light
goes a long way. So, I think that this activation
for God's people is really important, you know,
bringing, you know, the love of God, the peace
of God, and even understanding in the time. I
like the word activation. You know, I'm reminded
of how often Christians will be asking, when
is God going to respond? When is God going to
answer our prayers? And I think just as you pointed
out, God is waiting on us to step into the positions
he's assigned to us in the authority and power
of Jesus Christ and to make his difference, his
kingdom difference in this world just by doing
what he's asked of us. Yeah, and I think that
we've abdicated our positions, quite frankly,
and that's why, you know, probably we could,
a large element of why we're in the position
we're in is because we've kind of abdicated our,
you know, we haven't been involved. We've been
kind of, you know, isolated out of function,
you know, in our communities and our nation in
practical ways. So I think this is also a turning
point. Absolutely. Now one of the things where
people are anxious and really been waiting to
see God work is in holding people accountable,
holding these tyrannical leaders and influencers
in positions of power accountable for the atrocities
that they've committed. And you shared with me
that there are tribunals that are actually taking
place right now, that the Lord has actually spoke
to you about this. Yeah, yeah, he'd actually
taken me into a prophetic encounter Where I was
brought on to was like a big aircraft carrier
and I was taken into an area where there was
kind of a courtroom and and You know, they had
holding cells in the back and but I mean this
was a no -business kind of deal I mean they were
these guys were not fooling around and And so
they were literally, you know, I was taken around
and as they were actually had special ops gathering
up, arresting people. And incidentally, there
was actually an angelic host, American Eagles,
and an angelic host, and they were assisting
the boots on the ground to go nation to nation
and apprehending not only governmental officials,
bureaucrats, judges, lawyers, business people,
media. Anyone that was involved that had blood
on their hands or had a form of corruption or
involvement in darkness and crimes against humanity.
And so they were actually gathering them up,
put them on helicopters, you know, mobilizing
them, taking them onto this ship and actually
then doing military tribunals. in international
waters, which does apparently work much differently
than the courts that we know. So these guys,
when they were brought in, there was a head table
for these generals and these officials, and then
there was a little table for these defendants
to come and sit, you know, in their handcuffs.
They were brought in in shackles and, you know,
kind of given their... Now, they didn't have
a big fancy lawyer that they'd paid off to block
it or pay off a judge. This was a much different
matter. This was Face the Music Time. And so,
you know, as they were brought forward, I mean,
it was very sobering. It was very kind of end
of the line. And justice was being served. And
so within that, you know, there were... You know,
people taking out of positions, but the Lord
was putting people in. See, you can take an evil
king out of a place or an evil leader, but there'll
be ten more stacked up to take his seat. But
the Lord had orchestrated righteous men and women
to stamp in the positions of authority to take
the reins over and clean things. up and so this
was you know was taken a little longer than what
you know people had hoped but there would be
nothing that would be left behind and they had
secured every server internationally that held
evidence that needed to be brought forth to to
bring justice so they were going through with
a fine -tooth comb like there would be nothing
nothing nothing that would be left and so so
anyway I share this word publicly and then I
was told that Barry, this is actually happening.
This is actually going on. Right now? Yeah. So
this was probably, I know when I first released
three, four weeks ago. Yeah. So that was very
encouraging for me to hear. Yeah. You know, cause
you, cause you hear things second, third, fourth
hand, but when you get a kind of firsthand, it's
like, Oh wow. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, so isn't
that crazy how the Lord will use just a simple
little farm boy from Alberta, Canada? Stopping
here for today, let me first state, Barry may
be a simple farm boy from Canada, but in his
humility he is used powerfully by God in God's
kingdom. May this kind of humility and kingdom
effectiveness be true for all of us. To recap,
Barry first brought up the topic of government
as one that the Church has shied away from, which
frankly has given opportunity for evil, tyrannical
people to rule in the nations of the world. And,
as Barry explained, God has been at work, through
President Trump and others, to expose these evil
rulers who are in reality operating under the
spirit of the Antichrist. We must undergird President
Trump and the other major world leaders in other
nations who are actively engaged in rooting out
evil. We are called by God to partner with him
in prayer to see his kingdom well done on earth
as it is in heaven. We certainly must pray God's
word and his will which includes decreeing and
declaring no weapon formed against us as God's
people will prosper. We need to decree and declare
the destruction of all evil inroads, strategies,
and platforms established in opposition to God's
revealed will for the present day, for the restriction
and confinement of evil wherever it exists. Barry
talked about President Trump calling on the Insurrection
Act, which as explained last week is a power
given to the President of the United States in
1807 by federal law that allows the President
to deploy the United States military and to federalize
the National Guard units of individual states
in specific circumstances. This allows the President
to identify and arrest foreign international
threats on American soil. I asked Barry about
his consideration of the scripture that indicates
there will be a time when the world cries peace,
peace, which certainly is something we expect
with the many peace treaties President Trump
has helped negotiate worldwide. especially that
with Israel and Hamas. That passage is found
in 1 Thessalonians 5 .3, not Revelation, as I
stated, but my consideration is, as it is for
many, to have an understanding where we are on
God's timeline specific to the end times that
are revealed throughout Scripture. Barry touched
on the doctrine of the Church being raptured
out of this evil world before the Great Tribulation,
which by the way is the very newest of all end
-time theology, which is not consistent with
what the early Church believed. Barry spoke of
the very real potential of evil people being
taken out long before any rapture, and I pointed
out that the Book of Revelation does not paint
the picture of a cowering victim bride being
raptured. but rather a spotless courageous bride
who has made herself ready to be taken up to
meet Christ for the wedding supper of the Lamb.
God actually has a pattern of removing evil people
from this world for the sake of his own people.
So I ask you to consider the great flood where
all the people of the world except eight individuals
were removed because sin and wickedness had increased
so much. That's in the book of Genesis. Consider
the Exodus when God used Moses to deliver his
people from evil bondage where an estimated two
to three million of God's people were kept safe
while God administered judgment against the Egyptians
whose population at the time is estimated to
have been between two to five million people.
This is recorded in the book of Exodus. Then
there was Korah's rebellion against Moses as
Moses was leading the people to the promised
land recorded in the book of Numbers. In this
setting God removed about 250 evil men from the
total estimated of two to three million population
of the Hebrews. Then all the way forward to our
day where God has repeatedly promised that his
people will be safe while he administers judgment
against the wicked. Today, it's estimated about
30 % of the world population are Christian. I
realize there are many other people God considers
righteous who may not be counted as Christians
in the estimates I could find, but consider,
God could be administering judgment in varying
types against as much as 70 % of the world population
in our day for the sake of His righteous. I only
offer these estimated numbers to make the point
God has a repeated pattern of removing wicked
from the earth for the sake of the righteous,
hopefully giving cause for the people who are
hoping to be raptured out of this evil world
reason to reconsider their theology. Barry helped
us understand that God is already at work judging
the wicked for which those found guilty of treason
will mean their removal from the earth. by way
of death. I appreciate how Barry explained removing
evil people from positions of authority is not
enough. What must follow is for righteous men
and women to step up and take the place of the
wicked rulers to see God's kingdom will done
on earth as it is in heaven. At this point, I
asked Barry if God has revealed his judgment
in dealings with the church, referencing 1 Peter
chapter 4. Unfortunately, I said verse 14 when
the verse is actually 17. This verse is very
clear. Judgment of God begins with the house
of the Lord. It begins with the ecclesia, which
will be our starting point for part three of
my interview with Barry available next week.
I sincerely hope this not only helps you in your
theology and doctrine, but that you are even
more convinced of the importance of your role
in praying God's will over evil to be accomplished
on earth as it is in heaven and that you are
seriously seeking God to know his plans for your
life in such a time as this. I'd love to hear
from you. Let me know how this week's podcast
impacted you and be sure to come back next week
when I'll publish part three of my interview
with Barry Wunsch where he will share other prophetic
words God has given him for us in these days
so we can all be engaged in the spiritual warfare
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