WEBVTT 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.859 Greetings and welcome to this edition of Faith 00:00:02.859 --> 00:00:05.799 to Live By. I'm Pam Christian, your host each 00:00:05.799 --> 00:00:08.160 week, where I help us explore current events 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:10.720 from a biblical and prophetic perspective so 00:00:10.720 --> 00:00:14.199 we, as God's children, can know how he wants 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:17.600 us to respond to see his kingdom will done on 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:21.320 earth as it is in heaven. The preeminent focus 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:24.280 for this podcast is to seek the Lord, to gain 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:26.960 understanding from God, to know what he wants 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:29.940 us to know, concerning his plans for the redemption 00:00:29.940 --> 00:00:33.820 and judgment of the world. To know how he wants 00:00:33.820 --> 00:00:37.520 us to respond in partnership with him. I've done 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:40.320 considerable study and by way of critical thinking 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:43.820 and objective and verifiable evidence, I have 00:00:43.820 --> 00:00:47.060 personally concluded not only does God exist 00:00:47.060 --> 00:00:50.759 as the creator of all things, who is only and 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:55.859 ever good and holy, but evil also exists. As 00:00:55.859 --> 00:00:58.600 I have also concluded through much study, while 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:03.340 evil exists, it was not created by God. Rather, 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:06.540 it was a choice made by beings whom God created. 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:11.060 All beings whom God has created have been created 00:01:11.060 --> 00:01:14.500 with free will choice, allowing them to choose 00:01:14.500 --> 00:01:17.939 God and all that is good and leads to life, or 00:01:17.939 --> 00:01:22.019 choose evil and all that leads to death. I think 00:01:22.019 --> 00:01:24.519 by now the vast majority of the world, even if 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:27.379 they don't consider themselves religious or don't 00:01:27.379 --> 00:01:30.980 believe in God, have had to admit we are living 00:01:30.980 --> 00:01:34.040 in the midst of a cosmic and epic spiritual battle, 00:01:34.620 --> 00:01:37.400 which they must at the very least admit is a 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:41.680 war between good and evil. I sincerely hope they 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:44.719 will listen to many more of my podcasts to explore 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:47.560 their considerations to the full extent of their 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:50.980 logical conclusions. But if at this point they 00:01:50.980 --> 00:01:54.780 are at least aware good and evil coexist in this 00:01:54.780 --> 00:01:57.980 world, then it's a start for them choosing to 00:01:57.980 --> 00:02:00.359 determine if they want to be aligned with all 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:03.799 that is good or be aligned with all that is evil. 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:07.299 I also hope and pray my work will help them realize 00:02:07.299 --> 00:02:10.900 there is not middle ground. People either deliberately 00:02:10.900 --> 00:02:13.560 choose to be aligned with all that is good or 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:17.919 by default are automatically aligned with all 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:21.620 that is evil. The reason is, all human beings 00:02:21.620 --> 00:02:24.620 born into this world since the first man and 00:02:24.620 --> 00:02:28.780 woman are naturally born evil. This wasn't God's 00:02:28.780 --> 00:02:32.060 original plan. God wanted all human beings to 00:02:32.060 --> 00:02:35.680 be pure and holy just as He is, which is how 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:39.580 He created them. However, by way of their own 00:02:39.580 --> 00:02:42.479 free will choice, even though they had all the 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:45.419 information of truth they needed, they willingly 00:02:45.419 --> 00:02:50.169 chose to reject God. As a result, all people 00:02:50.169 --> 00:02:54.270 born ever since are born at enmity with God. 00:02:54.969 --> 00:02:58.409 Even so, God loves his created human beings so 00:02:58.409 --> 00:03:01.550 much that he has offered a way to be redeemed 00:03:01.550 --> 00:03:05.210 and restored into a holy relationship with God 00:03:05.210 --> 00:03:09.469 and all that is good and leads to life. And here 00:03:09.469 --> 00:03:14.530 again, it's a matter of free will choice. Now, 00:03:14.550 --> 00:03:16.830 considering the many different world events that 00:03:16.830 --> 00:03:19.409 have occurred recently, I have spent much more 00:03:19.409 --> 00:03:23.090 time than usual combing through world news, regional 00:03:23.090 --> 00:03:26.150 headlines, and prophetic words in effort to gain 00:03:26.150 --> 00:03:28.969 spiritual insight. You know, without the help 00:03:28.969 --> 00:03:31.569 from the Holy Spirit, it can seem all that is 00:03:31.569 --> 00:03:34.849 going on in the world is a cacophony of unrelated 00:03:34.849 --> 00:03:38.810 events. But, gratefully, with a more intentional 00:03:38.810 --> 00:03:42.050 pressing in to gain understanding from God, we 00:03:42.050 --> 00:03:45.789 can see how He is orchestrating everything to 00:03:45.789 --> 00:03:49.229 ultimately produce a harmonious outcome, the 00:03:49.229 --> 00:03:52.189 very outcome He has graciously revealed will 00:03:52.189 --> 00:03:55.610 come about as God's sovereign plans for this 00:03:55.610 --> 00:03:58.849 world and the nations of people are fully lived 00:03:58.849 --> 00:04:03.129 out through the end of time. When world events 00:04:03.129 --> 00:04:06.789 seem overwhelming, we have to intentionally focus 00:04:06.789 --> 00:04:10.050 on the foundations of our faith. Some foundations 00:04:10.050 --> 00:04:13.009 are derived from specific Bible verses, whereas 00:04:13.009 --> 00:04:15.889 others are concepts derived from several passages 00:04:15.889 --> 00:04:19.930 of scripture. I revere the Bible unique in contrast 00:04:19.930 --> 00:04:22.410 to all other documents of religious authority, 00:04:22.829 --> 00:04:26.170 again based on extensive, objective, verifiable 00:04:26.170 --> 00:04:29.709 evidence and not just an emotional reaction or 00:04:29.709 --> 00:04:33.449 because of any cultural claims. I share the journey 00:04:33.449 --> 00:04:36.750 of studying to learn about the Bible as supremely 00:04:36.750 --> 00:04:39.449 unique in my first book from my Faith to Live 00:04:39.449 --> 00:04:42.829 by series titled, Examine Your Faith, Finding 00:04:42.829 --> 00:04:46.209 Truth in a World of Lies. In addition to exploring 00:04:46.209 --> 00:04:48.850 the facts about the Bible, this book provides 00:04:48.850 --> 00:04:51.470 a chapter on each of the five major world religions 00:04:51.470 --> 00:04:55.560 and one on New Age, allowing the reader to compare 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:57.819 and contrast the different religious beliefs 00:04:57.819 --> 00:05:00.720 to decide for themselves which makes the most 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:04.060 sense to believe. One foundation of the Christian 00:05:04.060 --> 00:05:07.600 faith allows us to reject any and all forms of 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:11.480 confusion and fear, knowing both come from the 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:15.500 enemy of God, known as the Devil or Satan. This 00:05:15.500 --> 00:05:19.120 truth comes from Deuteronomy 3 .16, Isaiah 41 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:24.899 .10, 2 Timothy 1 .7, and 1 Corinthians 14 33. 00:05:25.980 --> 00:05:28.759 Another foundation is confidence that what the 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:32.560 enemy means for evil God uses for good. And this 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:35.959 comes from Genesis chapter 50 verse 20 and Romans 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:41.360 8 28 through 30 among other passages. Additionally, 00:05:41.660 --> 00:05:43.860 confidence that God never gives us anything that 00:05:43.860 --> 00:05:46.439 would harm us comes in part from Matthew chapter 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:50.819 7 verses 7 to 11 and Luke chapter 11 verse 13. 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:54.040 These are just three examples of foundations 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:57.759 or core beliefs we must intentionally focus on, 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:01.899 especially when things seem chaotic. Times such 00:06:01.899 --> 00:06:05.399 as these demand we look through the eyes of faith, 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:09.060 relying on the revealed character, will, and 00:06:09.060 --> 00:06:12.560 intent of God with patience and long -suffering, 00:06:12.779 --> 00:06:16.790 trusting God for the outcome. At times like this, 00:06:17.089 --> 00:06:19.990 we can't necessarily make a full and accurate 00:06:19.990 --> 00:06:24.110 determination as to the meaning of events without 00:06:24.110 --> 00:06:28.170 waiting for more events to unfold. So with today's 00:06:28.170 --> 00:06:30.410 program, I will highlight some specific events 00:06:30.410 --> 00:06:33.810 sharing what I've learned so far and offering 00:06:33.810 --> 00:06:36.470 my take on the issues from the perspective that 00:06:36.470 --> 00:06:39.399 we are in the middle. many different matters 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:42.560 being worked out. Our faith in God requires we 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:44.899 remain steadfast regardless of how things may 00:06:44.899 --> 00:06:48.019 appear, knowing that Jesus and all who follow 00:06:48.019 --> 00:06:51.379 him are already guaranteed the victory and the 00:06:51.379 --> 00:06:55.439 devil and all who follow him are guaranteed defeat. 00:06:55.980 --> 00:06:59.560 It's that simple. Then, after I consider some 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:01.699 of our headlines today, I want you to meet Jenna 00:07:01.699 --> 00:07:04.120 Burgess. She's one of the owners of the Christian 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:06.560 Tour Company I have contracted to coordinate 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:10.100 our Greece tour in April of 2026. I've invited 00:07:10.100 --> 00:07:13.040 her to share with you what we can expect as a 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:17.240 participant with the upcoming tour. So, specific 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:19.860 to headlines, I want to start with Israel and 00:07:19.860 --> 00:07:23.959 Hamas and the Houthis War and events of the Middle 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:26.279 East that now include President Trump's visit 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:29.060 to the Middle East. and the revelation of foreign 00:07:29.060 --> 00:07:31.839 relations with leaders of the Aryan nations. 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.399 First, I have always tried to do considerable 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:39.160 research so we are not unwittingly reacting to 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:42.069 propaganda. My regular listeners know I started 00:07:42.069 --> 00:07:45.329 this podcast wanting to do the deep dives necessary 00:07:45.329 --> 00:07:48.730 to discover truth in light of the extensive lies 00:07:48.730 --> 00:07:52.009 and propaganda clearly being perpetuated by mainstream 00:07:52.009 --> 00:07:55.430 media beginning with COVID -19, then extending 00:07:55.430 --> 00:07:58.310 to many other headlines and issues on the world 00:07:58.310 --> 00:08:02.569 stage ever since. One such area of deep dive 00:08:02.569 --> 00:08:06.060 has had to do with the Palestinian reality and 00:08:06.060 --> 00:08:08.699 the claims of the people known as Palestinians 00:08:08.699 --> 00:08:12.300 being quote -unquote exiled from their own homeland 00:08:12.300 --> 00:08:15.480 and understanding the radical increase of anti 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:19.019 -Semitism in recent years. If you haven't heard 00:08:19.019 --> 00:08:21.699 my series on these issues or if it's time for 00:08:21.699 --> 00:08:24.220 you to have a refresher I highly recommend what 00:08:24.220 --> 00:08:27.300 I published right after the Hamas October 7th 00:08:27.300 --> 00:08:32.000 2023 attack on Israel. My podcast number 172 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:39.580 173 174 175 and 180 in particular, offer extensive 00:08:39.580 --> 00:08:43.100 history about the 1948 establishment of Israel 00:08:43.100 --> 00:08:46.240 and the occupation of the region known as Palestine 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:49.720 and the Arabs who lived in that region, as well 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:52.220 as events that impacted the people leading up 00:08:52.220 --> 00:08:55.220 to today in part through the United Nations. 00:08:55.700 --> 00:08:58.039 Events in the Middle East have been contentious 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.139 for thousands upon thousands of years. While 00:09:01.139 --> 00:09:04.200 attacks and wars in this region may not be surprising, 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:07.940 they are still exceedingly tragic and reveal 00:09:07.940 --> 00:09:12.220 the epitome of evil mankind is capable of. Headlines 00:09:12.220 --> 00:09:15.259 revealed President Donald Trump recently completed 00:09:15.259 --> 00:09:18.639 an unprecedented Gulf tour meeting with several 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:21.399 different Middle East diplomats. According to 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:24.879 the Arab Center Washington DC, President Trump's 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:27.919 three -country trip to the Arabian Gulf Saudi 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:32.090 Arabia Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates resulted 00:09:32.090 --> 00:09:35.509 in him signing lucrative arms and business deals 00:09:35.509 --> 00:09:39.309 and got commitments from his hosts to make huge 00:09:39.309 --> 00:09:42.710 investments in the American economy. Additionally, 00:09:42.850 --> 00:09:45.450 the president has authorized direct negotiations 00:09:45.450 --> 00:09:49.350 with Iran about its nuclear program, about release 00:09:49.350 --> 00:09:52.330 of an American Israel detainee in direct talks 00:09:52.330 --> 00:09:56.529 with Hamas, and called for an end to Israel's 00:09:56.529 --> 00:10:00.919 war on Gaza. Amir Sarfati from Behold Israel, 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:03.320 who is in a unique position to know about the 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:06.419 Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's plans, posted 00:10:06.419 --> 00:10:10.139 on May 19th his explanations of President Trump's 00:10:10.139 --> 00:10:13.620 visit and more. With this post he stated, quote, 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:17.240 this is breaking news, very important news, maybe 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:20.320 the best news since the October 7th war broke 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:24.320 out, end quote. Then he shared that the Gideon's 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:27.179 chariots operation is underway and explained 00:10:27.179 --> 00:10:29.820 that this means the plan of first getting the 00:10:29.820 --> 00:10:32.820 entire civilian population of Gaza from the northern 00:10:32.820 --> 00:10:35.799 part all the way down to the south part where 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:38.960 the humanitarian zone is that Israel has established 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:41.480 for the American companies to distribute food 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:44.879 medication and all sorts of aid is underway. 00:10:45.460 --> 00:10:48.740 Then once the area is cleared Israel will start 00:10:48.740 --> 00:10:51.600 its very powerful ground maneuver to destroy 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:55.360 every bit of the Hamas occupation above and below 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:58.379 ground. and prevent them from having any control 00:10:58.379 --> 00:11:01.240 of the territory or imposing their tyranny on 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:04.419 the people who lived in that region. He explained 00:11:04.419 --> 00:11:07.980 Israel gave Hamas an extension of 24 more hours, 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:11.539 explaining they are prepared to move with the 00:11:11.539 --> 00:11:15.059 most powerful ground maneuver ever. Based on 00:11:15.059 --> 00:11:18.159 reports, Amir explains Hamas is not interested 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:21.120 in the Wycliffe outline. because they understand 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:24.620 it is causing them more and more loss. Amir is 00:11:24.620 --> 00:11:27.179 optimistic that Hamas understands this could 00:11:27.179 --> 00:11:30.340 be the right time to negotiate the complete end 00:11:30.340 --> 00:11:34.320 to the war. Amir says they are presenting negotiations 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:37.100 wanting the Israelis to allow them safe passage 00:11:37.100 --> 00:11:40.840 to leave with their families and they want guarantees 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:43.600 that the Israelis will not kill them. That's 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:46.409 it. They don't care about the Gazans. They don't 00:11:46.409 --> 00:11:48.490 care about the children or the elderly in that 00:11:48.490 --> 00:11:51.470 area. They care about their own families and 00:11:51.470 --> 00:11:55.289 themselves. Then they say they are willing to 00:11:55.289 --> 00:12:00.320 disarm. This is huge news. Then on May 20th, 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:02.919 Amir posted another report helping us understand 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:06.600 the rampant disinformation floating around wanting 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:09.460 us to understand President Trump's trip was quite 00:12:09.460 --> 00:12:13.200 productive when viewed from the right lens. He 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.240 explained fake news reports such as Trump is 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:19.419 about to recognize a Palestinian state or Trump 00:12:19.419 --> 00:12:22.480 is frustrated with Netanyahu or Trump is about 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:25.879 to abandon Israel or Trump's negotiation for 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:28.559 the release of prisoners has been done behind 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.879 Netanyahu's back or the fact that Trump did not 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.139 visit Israel on this trip means Trump is no longer 00:12:35.139 --> 00:12:37.879 supportive of Israel and that none of this is 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:43.220 true or hold any concern for Israel. Amir explains 00:12:43.220 --> 00:12:48.419 we have to know President Trump secured 5 .1 00:12:48.419 --> 00:12:52.360 trillion dollars in investment commitments for 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:55.320 the United States which was President Trump's 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:59.480 focus. Intentionally President Trump did not 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:02.899 talk much about Gaza, he did not talk much about 00:13:02.899 --> 00:13:06.259 the Palestinian state, he did not give the Saudis 00:13:06.259 --> 00:13:10.360 nuclear agreement, and according to Amir, Trump 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:14.299 did not demand Israel stop the war in Gaza, which 00:13:14.299 --> 00:13:17.279 specifically contradicts the Arab Center Washington 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:21.080 DC article that I just shared with you, which 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:23.580 further substantiates the importance of us understanding 00:13:23.580 --> 00:13:25.779 we're in the middle, we don't have all the facts, 00:13:25.779 --> 00:13:29.299 and we can't yet make an accurate conclusion. 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:32.799 Just the same when you consider the strategic 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:35.840 alliances the globalists have made with their 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:38.879 joint efforts to destroy America and Israel, 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:42.100 you can bet this trip by President Trump has 00:13:42.100 --> 00:13:45.159 had the globalists, especially China, beyond 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:49.059 nervous. Add to this what President Trump did 00:13:49.059 --> 00:13:51.440 with his two -hour phone call with President 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:54.500 Vladimir Putin of Russia and the globalists are 00:13:54.500 --> 00:13:57.419 really shaking in their boots. President Trump 00:13:57.419 --> 00:14:00.299 posted that Russia and Ukraine will immediately 00:14:00.299 --> 00:14:03.299 start negotiations toward a ceasefire and more 00:14:03.299 --> 00:14:06.730 importantly to end that war. Trump expressed 00:14:06.730 --> 00:14:09.750 there is unlimited opportunity for Russia and 00:14:09.750 --> 00:14:12.710 Ukraine to benefit on trade with the United States, 00:14:12.990 --> 00:14:15.710 especially for Ukraine in its efforts to rebuild. 00:14:16.429 --> 00:14:19.009 President Trump stated that he had also informed 00:14:19.009 --> 00:14:23.009 Ursula von der Leyen, President of European Commission, 00:14:23.610 --> 00:14:27.509 President Emmanuel Macron of France, Prime Minister 00:14:27.509 --> 00:14:31.620 Giorgia Maloney of Italy, Chancellor Friedrich 00:14:31.620 --> 00:14:35.240 Mertz of Germany and President Alexander Stubb 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:38.700 of Finland, accordingly, and stated the Vatican, 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:42.120 as represented by the Pope, has stated it would 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:45.259 be very interested in hosting the negotiations. 00:14:45.860 --> 00:14:50.370 End quote. These are just two areas of very good 00:14:50.370 --> 00:14:53.429 news that have extensive impact on the whole 00:14:53.429 --> 00:14:57.149 world that are also entirely consistent with 00:14:57.149 --> 00:14:59.850 prophetic words God has given to reassure us 00:14:59.850 --> 00:15:03.110 about what He is doing in our behalf. Through 00:15:03.110 --> 00:15:06.129 Robin Bullock, Julie Green, Amanda Grace and 00:15:06.129 --> 00:15:09.210 others, God has revealed He has already started 00:15:09.210 --> 00:15:12.409 a lot. to deal with our enemies and much more 00:15:12.409 --> 00:15:15.490 he will be doing in the days ahead. As Amanda 00:15:15.490 --> 00:15:18.309 Grace firmly believes, we will see God's undeniable 00:15:18.309 --> 00:15:21.690 intervention through Pentecost and into July, 00:15:22.110 --> 00:15:24.690 when we can expect to see an even greater Acts 00:15:24.690 --> 00:15:28.330 2 church demonstration worldwide. Through Julie 00:15:28.330 --> 00:15:32.289 Green on May 20th, God said, woe to the globalists. 00:15:32.470 --> 00:15:35.730 Now, he said a whole lot more, but by him starting 00:15:35.730 --> 00:15:38.970 out with just that alone, it's more than enough. 00:15:39.629 --> 00:15:42.769 We must not believe that things will be easy 00:15:42.769 --> 00:15:46.309 moving ahead. They will not. They will only grow 00:15:46.309 --> 00:15:49.110 with intensity. But what will allow us to endure 00:15:49.110 --> 00:15:51.990 it all is knowing the promises for the outcome 00:15:51.990 --> 00:15:56.029 in a not too distant future. And we must understand 00:15:56.029 --> 00:15:58.929 that when things get so much better, we have 00:15:58.929 --> 00:16:01.610 reason to actually celebrate. We must remain 00:16:01.610 --> 00:16:04.830 sober in our understandings that unless we remain 00:16:04.830 --> 00:16:08.190 proactive at all times, even when there's cause 00:16:08.190 --> 00:16:11.259 to celebrate, and unless we intentionally push 00:16:11.259 --> 00:16:14.259 the enemy back at all times, even when we're 00:16:14.259 --> 00:16:17.139 celebrating, he will once again make inroads. 00:16:17.220 --> 00:16:20.379 And if we let this happen again, we will not 00:16:20.379 --> 00:16:23.740 be able to recover. This is not a prophecy I 00:16:23.740 --> 00:16:27.759 make. Rather, I'm repeating a very direct and 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:30.600 somber warning God has given us through different 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:33.740 prophets, including Robin Bullock and Johnny 00:16:33.740 --> 00:16:37.070 Inlow. With eager expectations that we will be 00:16:37.070 --> 00:16:39.889 celebrating God's victories very soon, I want 00:16:39.889 --> 00:16:42.610 to use this time to introduce you to Jenna Burgess 00:16:42.610 --> 00:16:45.370 and have you listen to our conversation about 00:16:45.370 --> 00:16:49.610 our planned tour in Greece during April of 2026. 00:16:49.870 --> 00:16:52.049 I want you to be able to make your plans now 00:16:52.049 --> 00:16:54.450 and take advantage of the time between now and 00:16:54.450 --> 00:16:56.809 then to save your money and do everything you 00:16:56.809 --> 00:16:59.409 need to to be sure you're able to travel with 00:16:59.409 --> 00:17:02.080 us. I'll share more specifics about the trip 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:04.779 after the interview, but come now and sit with 00:17:04.779 --> 00:17:07.720 us and hear what we have planned with you in 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:16.700 mind. Jenna Burgess, thank you so much for joining 00:17:16.700 --> 00:17:19.579 me on this special podcast so we can help my 00:17:19.579 --> 00:17:21.700 people know more about what we've got planned 00:17:21.700 --> 00:17:25.319 for this upcoming trip to Greece in April of 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:28.859 2026. I am very happy to be here to talk about 00:17:28.859 --> 00:17:30.940 Greece. This is my pleasure. Now you are one 00:17:30.940 --> 00:17:33.880 of the owners of Four Corners Travel. You are 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:36.099 a travel agency that does a lot with Christian 00:17:36.099 --> 00:17:38.460 groups. Tell us a little bit about yourself and 00:17:38.460 --> 00:17:39.960 a little bit about your company. And then I want 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:42.779 to ask you some specific questions about the 00:17:42.779 --> 00:17:45.500 trip we have planned. I am more than happy to 00:17:45.500 --> 00:17:48.299 do that. So our company is Four Corners Travel. 00:17:48.339 --> 00:17:52.019 Like we mentioned, it was initially founded by 00:17:52.019 --> 00:17:55.240 a husband and wife team who are full -time missionaries. 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:57.900 They work with a mission organization doing businesses 00:17:57.900 --> 00:17:59.819 missions and when they were out on the missions 00:17:59.819 --> 00:18:03.079 field they realized that there was an opportunity 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:05.259 and in this opportunity they wanted to bring 00:18:05.259 --> 00:18:08.019 people to see the world. They had a vision of 00:18:08.019 --> 00:18:11.079 bringing people to places like Greece and like 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:13.740 Israel where they could see the Bible come alive 00:18:13.740 --> 00:18:17.619 and they decided and prayed about starting a 00:18:17.619 --> 00:18:19.900 travel agency. When they did that they brought 00:18:19.900 --> 00:18:23.359 in some friends who with different different 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:26.759 business experiences, myself included. I spent 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:29.839 12 years in the hospitality industry in hotels 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:33.119 before I started doing travel planning. And we 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:36.839 have some four of us total who came together 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:40.599 to start this company. We started in 2020, which 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:43.140 is a really great time to start travel planning, 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:48.910 as you can imagine. but have since had the wonderful 00:18:48.910 --> 00:18:51.309 opportunity to bring several churches, several 00:18:51.309 --> 00:18:56.589 ministries back to Greece and to Israel and to 00:18:56.589 --> 00:19:00.369 many other places. So we do focus on working 00:19:00.369 --> 00:19:02.869 with churches and ministries for Steps of Paul 00:19:02.869 --> 00:19:05.750 tours and Holy Land tours. But the other unique 00:19:05.750 --> 00:19:09.009 thing that we do as well is we try to work with 00:19:09.009 --> 00:19:11.490 missionaries that are planted in different areas 00:19:11.490 --> 00:19:13.490 around Europe and around the world. It tends 00:19:13.490 --> 00:19:17.299 to be a lot in Europe. to create tours where 00:19:17.299 --> 00:19:19.779 they are planted. So they would see the sites, 00:19:20.460 --> 00:19:23.400 they would see the area, and then they would 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:25.960 spend some time with the missionaries learning 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:29.859 what their ministries are and what God has them 00:19:29.859 --> 00:19:32.000 doing in that country. Well I know I learned 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.859 about your organization through a mutual friend 00:19:34.859 --> 00:19:36.759 who has been to Greece several times for that 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:39.259 very reason. She was actually supporting a missionary 00:19:39.259 --> 00:19:42.799 and I asked her about Greece and about what she 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:45.039 would recommend. Yours was the company that came 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:47.720 top of mind for her. And so here we are and I 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:51.079 am really excited. In fact originally we had 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:53.900 this trip for the footsteps of Paul, a ground 00:19:53.900 --> 00:19:56.799 tour in Greece. We had a plan for October of 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:01.480 2025. But it just seemed it wasn't quite working 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:03.400 as well as we would like it to. So we pushed 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:05.480 it out to April and it really seems like it's 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:07.500 really benefiting a lot more people to push it 00:20:07.500 --> 00:20:10.019 out like this. And then you're telling me that 00:20:10.019 --> 00:20:12.259 it actually is going to work in our favor because 00:20:12.259 --> 00:20:13.960 there's several trips that will have gone ahead 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:16.039 of us. Talk about that a little bit. So we've 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:19.019 been doing Steps at Fall tours now for a few 00:20:19.019 --> 00:20:21.579 years since Kind of the world opened back up 00:20:21.579 --> 00:20:25.920 again. I think 2022 was our first one. We did 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:30.299 a trip to Greece in November for a marathon and 00:20:30.299 --> 00:20:34.619 did a Steps of Paul combo trip. But we have over 00:20:34.619 --> 00:20:36.980 the years now fine tuned this trip a bit and 00:20:36.980 --> 00:20:39.680 we have created what we think is a really wonderful 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:42.579 tour that really highlights. the actual steps 00:20:42.579 --> 00:20:44.240 that the Apostle Paul took when he was there 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:47.059 in Greece. So we had a group that just went this 00:20:47.059 --> 00:20:49.160 past March. We have another group that's going 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:50.960 this October and yours will be the third one 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:54.819 doing this particular itinerary. And the itinerary, 00:20:54.980 --> 00:20:57.480 I didn't even tell you this yet, but this itinerary 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:01.720 is so good and was so strong that the actual 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:04.980 tour company in Greece that we... work with it 00:21:04.980 --> 00:21:07.460 now uses this is going to be using this as their 00:21:07.460 --> 00:21:09.720 steps of Paul tour Greece tour moving forward 00:21:09.720 --> 00:21:13.339 for other groups as well so it yeah yeah so we 00:21:13.339 --> 00:21:15.279 have been working out any of the little kinks 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:19.220 that we have we have a wonderful tour sets and 00:21:19.220 --> 00:21:21.740 I think people will just love you know this is 00:21:21.740 --> 00:21:23.940 a ground tour we were talking about this a couple 00:21:23.940 --> 00:21:27.480 of times over the phone in the past that because 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:31.619 it's ancient terrain, uneven pavement, it really 00:21:31.619 --> 00:21:34.500 is not a trip for somebody who is in a wheelchair 00:21:34.500 --> 00:21:38.059 or who needs that kind of assistance. Yes, unfortunately, 00:21:38.059 --> 00:21:41.759 we would love to be able to do that. The ADA 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:44.220 laws and things that we have here in the United 00:21:44.220 --> 00:21:47.920 States just are not as strong in Europe so that 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:51.539 they do not have accessibility, frankly, in some 00:21:51.539 --> 00:21:53.759 of these places. You're going to be going to 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:57.839 ancient Corinth and Philippi and there you're 00:21:57.839 --> 00:21:59.579 literally going to be walking through ruins. 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:03.779 I would not say that the level is extremely difficult, 00:22:03.819 --> 00:22:06.319 but there is walking involved and there is uneven 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:09.980 pavement and uneven sidewalks and areas. And 00:22:09.980 --> 00:22:12.579 then if you have the option to even climb on 00:22:12.579 --> 00:22:14.500 top of some of these things, which obviously 00:22:14.500 --> 00:22:18.000 would not. be easy if you have a disability or 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:20.319 something that would prevent you from doing that. 00:22:20.380 --> 00:22:23.380 So I would not recommend this particular tour 00:22:23.380 --> 00:22:26.740 for someone who has difficulty walking. But as 00:22:26.740 --> 00:22:29.339 I want to share with my audience soon during 00:22:29.339 --> 00:22:31.740 this particular time that I'm with you, this 00:22:31.740 --> 00:22:34.420 is just the first of a couple of ideas we have 00:22:34.420 --> 00:22:36.099 moving forward. I'm going to leave that till 00:22:36.099 --> 00:22:38.579 a little bit later, but it could be that one 00:22:38.579 --> 00:22:40.420 of our future trips would be better suited for 00:22:40.420 --> 00:22:42.940 people who have a handicap or an issue or two 00:22:42.940 --> 00:22:45.099 that they need to make certain is accommodated. 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:48.140 Now, there are a lot of reasons that people may 00:22:48.140 --> 00:22:50.559 choose not to travel or that they might be wary 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:54.500 of traveling. And I think that you and I have 00:22:54.500 --> 00:22:57.480 actually these things. I want to share some of 00:22:57.480 --> 00:23:00.519 our thoughts with my listeners right now. So 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:02.660 some of the objections that people might have 00:23:02.660 --> 00:23:06.660 specific to travel would certainly be the economy 00:23:06.660 --> 00:23:09.319 of it, the financial aspect of travel. Why don't 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:11.000 you address that a little bit for my listeners 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:14.339 please. Oh, absolutely. As I mentioned, we work 00:23:14.339 --> 00:23:16.839 directly with a tour company in Greece, and we 00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:19.660 have fine -tuned this particular tour and have 00:23:19.660 --> 00:23:21.680 worked through the price. In fact, we've gone 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.480 back and forth many times to work on the price 00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:26.259 of this tour, and I honestly believe it is a 00:23:26.259 --> 00:23:28.640 very economical choice. You're going to be staying 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:32.019 in four -star hotels, however, because we are 00:23:32.019 --> 00:23:35.049 able to negotiate as a group. price of these 00:23:35.049 --> 00:23:36.869 hotels would be lower than if you were to try 00:23:36.869 --> 00:23:39.970 to do this on your own, as well as the tour guides 00:23:39.970 --> 00:23:42.309 and all the things that are included in this 00:23:42.309 --> 00:23:44.990 particular trip. So the price overall is a really 00:23:44.990 --> 00:23:48.049 great price for a trip. And if you would go online 00:23:48.049 --> 00:23:49.890 to look at some of the major tour companies, 00:23:50.009 --> 00:23:53.230 they are often two, even $3 ,000 more per person. 00:23:53.950 --> 00:23:55.869 The other thing, and I also didn't mention this, 00:23:55.869 --> 00:23:59.369 is we can also set up a payment plan. So if you 00:23:59.369 --> 00:24:02.029 wanted to make payments on your trip, that is 00:24:02.029 --> 00:24:04.049 absolutely an option as well. Well, that's good 00:24:04.049 --> 00:24:05.470 to know. That's not something you and I talked 00:24:05.470 --> 00:24:08.069 about before. Now, I know that one of the other 00:24:08.069 --> 00:24:10.230 ways we're trying to keep the costs as effective 00:24:10.230 --> 00:24:12.970 for everybody as possible is to limiting the 00:24:12.970 --> 00:24:16.410 trip to thirty four people maximum. And the more 00:24:16.410 --> 00:24:19.750 people we have toward that maximum, the less 00:24:19.750 --> 00:24:22.869 the price is per person. Can you talk about that 00:24:22.869 --> 00:24:25.559 a little bit? Yes, so we have it. The prices 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:28.680 are tiered. So the more people that we have, 00:24:29.059 --> 00:24:32.059 then it will lower the price. So the maximum 00:24:32.059 --> 00:24:35.000 that we want, like Pamela said, is 34 people. 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:40.440 But if we end up with only maybe 20 or 24 people, 00:24:40.660 --> 00:24:45.059 then the price is the $27 .99. 25 to 29 is an 00:24:45.059 --> 00:24:48.079 even lower price. It goes down by $200 or 30 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:51.539 and 34 people. It goes down another $100. And 00:24:51.539 --> 00:24:54.519 that's because we have one bus. The ideal is 00:24:54.519 --> 00:24:57.079 we want to keep everybody together on a bus. 00:24:57.380 --> 00:24:59.140 If we go over that then we're going to have to 00:24:59.140 --> 00:25:02.339 go into more vehicles and that you don't have 00:25:02.339 --> 00:25:04.779 the same sense of camaraderie and you don't have 00:25:04.779 --> 00:25:06.539 the same sense of togetherness and you don't 00:25:06.539 --> 00:25:08.839 get to network and talk to people as much. We 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:11.579 really like to keep them fairly small so you 00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:15.519 can be together but also if you're able to stay 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:17.920 on one vehicle then that reduces the price as 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:19.660 well because you're splitting it between that 00:25:19.660 --> 00:25:22.910 many people versus having to add an extra vehicle. 00:25:23.369 --> 00:25:25.329 And there are a lot of things that are already 00:25:25.329 --> 00:25:27.269 included. In fact, I would encourage my listeners 00:25:27.269 --> 00:25:30.329 to go to my web page beyond the podcast and look 00:25:30.329 --> 00:25:32.809 at the specifics. But there are a lot of things 00:25:32.809 --> 00:25:34.670 that are already included. You want to talk about 00:25:34.670 --> 00:25:38.089 that a little bit? I absolutely can. So this 00:25:38.089 --> 00:25:41.549 trip includes your hotel accommodations, your 00:25:41.549 --> 00:25:45.339 transfers from the to and from the airport, It 00:25:45.339 --> 00:25:48.039 includes tour guides, the buses, it includes 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:50.160 a tour director. So you'll have one main person 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:52.000 who's with you for the whole of the trip in case 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.559 you have any specific area, specific questions. 00:25:55.460 --> 00:25:58.400 It includes breakfast every day. And then there 00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:00.180 are certain days, I think we have three or four 00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:02.920 dinners also included in this particular itinerary. 00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:08.079 Things that aren't included are lunches and that's 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:09.599 mainly because we're going to be out and about 00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:11.460 and you're going to be exploring and it would 00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:13.359 be hard to have everyone stop and sit down. So 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:16.400 it may just be easier to grab some delicious 00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:19.019 Greek street food. I will talk about food a lot. 00:26:19.099 --> 00:26:22.519 The food there was amazing. It doesn't include 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:25.160 tips. It doesn't include airfare. That is a separate 00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:27.400 cost. So you will want to make sure that you 00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:29.900 have. that and we can we will give you recommendations 00:26:29.900 --> 00:26:32.460 on times for airfare as something I can help 00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:34.539 you book or you can book on your own if you have 00:26:34.539 --> 00:26:37.079 points or if you have preferred airlines but 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:39.480 we'll give you some recommendations on arrival 00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:43.579 and departure times but otherwise the majority 00:26:43.579 --> 00:26:46.099 of the tour is included. Now you talked about 00:26:46.099 --> 00:26:48.119 tips would you have some guidelines for us for 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:49.700 tips because it seems like every country is a 00:26:49.700 --> 00:26:52.480 little bit different. Yes and I'll give you some 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:54.640 when we get a little bit more specific ones when 00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:56.400 you get a little bit closer because there are 00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:58.690 different guidelines for different people on 00:26:58.690 --> 00:27:01.490 the trip. The bus driver versus the tour director 00:27:01.490 --> 00:27:03.910 would have a different guideline. And I don't 00:27:03.910 --> 00:27:05.549 have those off the top of my head right now, 00:27:05.549 --> 00:27:08.329 but it's usually around like 5 % of the cost 00:27:08.329 --> 00:27:11.930 of the trip. And you can do that a couple different 00:27:11.930 --> 00:27:14.430 ways. There can be, you know, we could pull them 00:27:14.430 --> 00:27:16.730 early or you could tip individually if you wanted 00:27:16.730 --> 00:27:19.250 to do more or less. Either one of those is totally 00:27:19.250 --> 00:27:21.769 fine. I would recommend having a little bit of 00:27:21.789 --> 00:27:25.529 cash available. The Greece does use euros and 00:27:25.529 --> 00:27:27.470 it's very easy to go to your bank before a trip 00:27:27.470 --> 00:27:29.529 and get a small amount. I wouldn't recommend 00:27:29.529 --> 00:27:31.750 bringing more than two or three hundred euros 00:27:31.750 --> 00:27:34.589 just because you don't need to be carrying around 00:27:34.589 --> 00:27:37.230 that much cash but just for if you wanted to 00:27:37.230 --> 00:27:39.450 tip your drivers and your tour guides or then 00:27:39.450 --> 00:27:41.650 also just to have for some street food but most 00:27:41.650 --> 00:27:44.470 places they're except credit cards if you wanted 00:27:44.470 --> 00:27:48.410 to. shop or Well, I know everybody needs to do 00:27:48.410 --> 00:27:49.869 some of their own research because some people 00:27:49.869 --> 00:27:51.630 like to use credit cards Some people only want 00:27:51.630 --> 00:27:54.289 to use cash So some of these things but you and 00:27:54.289 --> 00:27:56.730 I are at least right now are offering some general 00:27:56.730 --> 00:27:59.849 guidelines now when it comes to tips You can 00:27:59.849 --> 00:28:03.589 give us in advance an estimate budget, right? 00:28:03.890 --> 00:28:06.529 Yes Okay, but we'll know before we actually have 00:28:06.529 --> 00:28:08.650 to board the flight to go to Athens. We'll know 00:28:08.650 --> 00:28:11.430 what our budget should be for tips Correct, and 00:28:11.430 --> 00:28:13.210 it will have a recommended guideline, but it 00:28:13.180 --> 00:28:16.480 It is up to you if you wanted to do something 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.119 additional. All right, now I know that there 00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.160 are a lot of objections that people have to traveling, 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:25.039 especially traveling abroad. One is time off. 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:28.480 but that's part of the beauty of the fact that 00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:32.000 this was moved from October 2025 to April of 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:34.799 2026. You want to address that? Yeah, but you 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.319 know, I think everything, the timing for this 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:39.339 is actually working out very much in our favor. 00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:43.099 Now we are almost a year out, just shy of a year 00:28:43.099 --> 00:28:47.019 out that does give people more time to request 00:28:47.019 --> 00:28:49.079 time off from work or to make travel arrangements 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:51.420 or make arrangements for childcare if you're 00:28:51.420 --> 00:28:53.579 going to. have kids that are staying at home. 00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:56.019 I think it is going to work in our favor, switching 00:28:56.019 --> 00:28:57.940 it from October to April, just giving people 00:28:57.940 --> 00:29:00.079 a little bit more time to make the necessary 00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.680 arrangements. You know, another thing that people 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:06.490 are hesitant about when it comes to travel. I 00:29:06.490 --> 00:29:08.210 mean, you might be intrigued. You might want 00:29:08.210 --> 00:29:10.589 to travel, but there's this fear of the unknown. 00:29:10.829 --> 00:29:12.549 There's the fear of the cultural differences. 00:29:12.670 --> 00:29:15.750 And I know we can consider language barriers 00:29:15.750 --> 00:29:20.109 and even use of visas and passports, ground transportation, 00:29:20.710 --> 00:29:23.730 accommodations, safety and security, just the 00:29:23.730 --> 00:29:27.289 hassle of travels. I know that you address a 00:29:27.289 --> 00:29:28.869 lot of that. And that's part of why I wanted 00:29:28.869 --> 00:29:32.119 to go with your company. Yeah, we definitely 00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.200 do and we try to make a full package so that 00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.059 people don't have to worry as much about the 00:29:37.059 --> 00:29:39.539 smaller things. There are a lot of English speaking 00:29:39.539 --> 00:29:43.059 people. First off, I did not encounter a single 00:29:43.059 --> 00:29:45.200 restaurant where I was not able to communicate 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:49.140 in English to the wait staff or to some of the 00:29:49.140 --> 00:29:52.059 people working there in restaurants or even street 00:29:52.059 --> 00:29:55.079 vendors. A lot of it is very highly English speaking. 00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:58.319 We also have the tour director there that will 00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:01.039 be a resource for you. You will be able to speak 00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:03.660 directly to them. If you have questions about 00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:05.220 the trip, they're going to give you a lot of 00:30:05.220 --> 00:30:08.099 insight about the different areas and different 00:30:08.099 --> 00:30:09.779 parts of Greece that we're going to be traveling 00:30:09.779 --> 00:30:12.920 to. All right. Well, that sounds good, too. Now, 00:30:13.420 --> 00:30:15.960 one of the things I wanted to point out to my 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:17.500 listeners, and I kind of touched on it a minute 00:30:17.500 --> 00:30:21.599 ago, is that by signing up now with this Greece 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:24.450 trip, First off, it's not an obligation at this 00:30:24.450 --> 00:30:26.190 point. We are ahead of the time that we have 00:30:26.190 --> 00:30:28.069 to actually make deposits and where we have to 00:30:28.069 --> 00:30:31.329 commit to the hotels and the tour companies and 00:30:31.329 --> 00:30:34.269 whatnot that are in Greece. So by signing up 00:30:34.269 --> 00:30:36.430 now, you are simply letting us know you're interested 00:30:36.430 --> 00:30:38.609 in how many people would be in your party. Then 00:30:38.609 --> 00:30:40.509 when we get closer to the time where we actually 00:30:40.509 --> 00:30:43.849 have to take deposits, we will contact you and 00:30:43.849 --> 00:30:46.329 you will at that point have the first right of 00:30:46.329 --> 00:30:49.190 refusal. And at that point, of course, we would 00:30:49.190 --> 00:30:53.259 need your deposit. But By signing up now and 00:30:53.259 --> 00:30:56.059 also making a commitment to the trip moving forward, 00:30:56.420 --> 00:30:58.440 you are also positioning yourself to be able 00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:02.480 to receive a return traveler discount for our 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:05.180 future travel excursions, which we are already 00:31:05.180 --> 00:31:08.619 planning to be able to go to Israel. The Holy 00:31:08.619 --> 00:31:11.500 Land Tour of Israel that we've put together, 00:31:12.180 --> 00:31:15.079 we are very excited to start bringing back. So 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.900 I believe our first one will be in April of 2026 00:31:18.900 --> 00:31:22.000 and so into the future. We're very excited for 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.859 that in the future. Yeah, well I'm thinking that 00:31:23.859 --> 00:31:25.960 if this Greece trip goes like I'm hoping it will, 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:27.700 like I'm praying it will, that there's going 00:31:27.700 --> 00:31:28.900 to be enough interest that we're going to be 00:31:28.900 --> 00:31:30.619 able to do maybe the same kind of a trip but 00:31:30.619 --> 00:31:35.150 to Israel come April of 2027. Excellent. And 00:31:35.150 --> 00:31:38.430 I spoke recently with our contact in Israel who 00:31:38.430 --> 00:31:41.890 helps us with creating these tours. And he has 00:31:41.890 --> 00:31:44.329 some very interesting, I don't want to give too 00:31:44.329 --> 00:31:47.130 much away, but very interesting ideas on how 00:31:47.130 --> 00:31:52.289 to see Israel, see the Holy Land, but also to 00:31:52.289 --> 00:31:54.730 connect with the people who live there currently 00:31:54.730 --> 00:31:57.210 and some of their experiences through the last 00:31:57.210 --> 00:32:00.069 few years. Yes, and I think that would be so 00:32:00.069 --> 00:32:01.789 rich for us to have a better understanding of 00:32:01.789 --> 00:32:03.789 what's happened, especially since the October 00:32:03.789 --> 00:32:06.450 7th attack. There's a lot going on. There's a 00:32:06.450 --> 00:32:09.349 lot going on. We just see God moving to bring 00:32:09.349 --> 00:32:12.470 peace in the Middle East right now. And what 00:32:12.470 --> 00:32:15.490 a great time, I think, ahead for us to be able 00:32:15.490 --> 00:32:18.809 to travel and visit the Holy Land. Another reason 00:32:18.809 --> 00:32:21.049 that I want people to sign up now, not only does 00:32:21.049 --> 00:32:23.250 it give us an idea of what we're working with, 00:32:23.349 --> 00:32:26.089 but I would like to for those people who are 00:32:26.089 --> 00:32:29.650 interested to maybe hold some Zoom meetings with 00:32:29.650 --> 00:32:31.890 the potential participants where we could talk 00:32:31.890 --> 00:32:34.430 about how to protect yourself against pickpockets, 00:32:34.430 --> 00:32:36.710 for example. And this is something that you could 00:32:36.710 --> 00:32:39.710 help us with, Jenna, in terms of helping educate 00:32:39.710 --> 00:32:41.990 people who maybe have not traveled much before 00:32:41.990 --> 00:32:45.089 who would like a little extra information and 00:32:45.089 --> 00:32:47.410 education to be able to feel as secure as possible. 00:32:47.609 --> 00:32:50.210 Absolutely. We actually recommend doing two Zoom 00:32:50.210 --> 00:32:51.910 meetings before the call and you're welcome to 00:32:51.910 --> 00:32:54.450 do more if you would like. We like to do one 00:32:54.450 --> 00:32:57.190 once we kind of have the initial who is interested 00:32:57.190 --> 00:33:00.490 in going list to give people an opportunity to 00:33:00.490 --> 00:33:04.250 go through the itinerary to ask questions, to 00:33:04.250 --> 00:33:07.690 give tips and tricks, and then And then you also 00:33:07.690 --> 00:33:09.630 have, you get to see who else is going on the 00:33:09.630 --> 00:33:11.990 trip with you. So that's like the beginning of 00:33:11.990 --> 00:33:14.150 starting to build connections. Yeah, absolutely. 00:33:14.150 --> 00:33:16.109 We can have a meet and greet ahead of time and 00:33:16.109 --> 00:33:19.650 begin to anticipate spending time together in 00:33:19.650 --> 00:33:22.269 Athens, Greece, and not just Athens, but we're 00:33:22.269 --> 00:33:24.710 also going to Thessaloniki and to Kalambaka, 00:33:24.910 --> 00:33:27.829 right? You are. And also one of my favorite places 00:33:27.829 --> 00:33:30.569 that you'll be going where I went a couple months 00:33:30.569 --> 00:33:34.329 ago was Corinth. So I think Corinth and Delphi 00:33:34.329 --> 00:33:37.240 are some other special places that are day trips 00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.519 that you'll really enjoy. You know, in closing, 00:33:40.779 --> 00:33:43.640 Jenna, I know that you have shared with me because 00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:46.220 you went on to the Corinth aspect of this trip 00:33:46.220 --> 00:33:48.240 and some of the other aspects that we are planning. 00:33:49.339 --> 00:33:52.559 Would you share your personal response to what 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:56.920 it was like being right there where the Apostle 00:33:56.920 --> 00:34:00.819 Paul actually walked? I would love to. You know, 00:34:00.900 --> 00:34:04.220 this Being a travel planner, we do get to go 00:34:04.220 --> 00:34:06.720 to some amazing places in the world and seeing 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.760 some really beautiful amazing things. But being 00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:14.360 a Christian and knowing that the Bible is the 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.739 word of God and knowing that the Apostle Paul 00:34:17.739 --> 00:34:23.059 was in these places, walking through the ancient 00:34:23.059 --> 00:34:27.340 city of Athens, standing on Mars Hill where he 00:34:27.340 --> 00:34:30.559 got to meet with the leaders and look out over 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:34.159 the Agora and know that he spoke to the people 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:38.440 of that city to stand in Corinth. You literally 00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:42.679 can stand on the Bema where he stood in the center 00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.800 of ancient Corinth to address the people knowing 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:48.280 that he spoke to them about the resurrection 00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:52.530 and about what it is to be a church and all the 00:34:52.530 --> 00:34:55.389 different lessons that you can read in the Corinthians. 00:34:55.550 --> 00:34:58.210 There's so many I could rattle them off, but 00:34:58.210 --> 00:35:00.809 it was such an experience that when you stood 00:35:00.809 --> 00:35:06.230 there, you saw that come alive. I can say it 00:35:06.230 --> 00:35:08.349 was one of the more touching experiences of my 00:35:08.349 --> 00:35:12.010 life and my faith was deepened in a way that 00:35:12.010 --> 00:35:17.690 I didn't expect and that was totally new. um 00:35:17.690 --> 00:35:20.070 again reading the bible and growing up in church 00:35:20.070 --> 00:35:22.570 um you hear and see these things but when you're 00:35:22.570 --> 00:35:27.030 actually standing where he stood where the apostle 00:35:27.030 --> 00:35:30.130 paul stood and you can see go along his missionary 00:35:30.130 --> 00:35:33.349 journey um is a truly touching and incredible 00:35:33.349 --> 00:35:35.789 experience that you will not forget I'm sure 00:35:35.789 --> 00:35:37.730 of it. I know of what little bit of travel my 00:35:37.730 --> 00:35:39.250 husband and I have been able to do. I've had 00:35:39.250 --> 00:35:43.190 the same kind of experience. History comes alive. 00:35:43.869 --> 00:35:45.989 And you're right. Our faith is deepened in a 00:35:45.989 --> 00:35:49.150 way that's unexpected. So I'm hoping that everybody 00:35:49.150 --> 00:35:52.750 who has listened to this interview with you have 00:35:52.750 --> 00:35:56.730 caught the bug about going with us in April of 00:35:56.730 --> 00:36:01.309 2026 for the Footsteps of Paul in Greece, a ground 00:36:01.309 --> 00:36:04.710 tour, and that they could take advantage of, 00:36:04.710 --> 00:36:08.050 and I just want to put this out there, the optional 00:36:08.050 --> 00:36:10.590 cruise of the Greece Islands. Can you talk about 00:36:10.590 --> 00:36:13.289 that real quick? Yes. Yes, we haven't talked 00:36:13.289 --> 00:36:15.829 about that too much yet. So there is a four night 00:36:15.829 --> 00:36:18.190 tour that is leaving out of Athens to the four 00:36:18.190 --> 00:36:21.650 night cruise where you will get to see the Greek 00:36:21.650 --> 00:36:24.750 islands. You will actually have pulled up the 00:36:24.750 --> 00:36:26.090 thing. So I was ready to talk about it. Here 00:36:26.090 --> 00:36:29.429 we go. It starts in Athens and goes on to Mykonos. 00:36:30.680 --> 00:36:34.099 Mykonos is one of the closer islands to Athens 00:36:34.099 --> 00:36:36.659 but it is It feels like you're going into a whole 00:36:36.659 --> 00:36:41.019 new world even. So beautiful. If you go to stop 00:36:41.019 --> 00:36:44.440 into Turkey and to Kadasi and then there's four, 00:36:44.500 --> 00:36:46.719 five more islands that you get to visit. One 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.519 of them being Santorini, which was my personal 00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:55.320 favorite. If you saw Mamma Mia or it gives you 00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:56.699 that vibe. I'm not sure it was actually that 00:36:56.699 --> 00:36:59.079 island specifically, but it is the white buildings 00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:03.070 with the blue tops and the sea all surrounding. 00:37:03.389 --> 00:37:07.349 So you get to go to one, two, three, four, five 00:37:07.349 --> 00:37:10.110 Greek islands, and also stop into Turkey. It 00:37:10.110 --> 00:37:13.909 is four nights. There are different options available 00:37:13.909 --> 00:37:17.230 for stateroom, and that will be on a first come 00:37:17.230 --> 00:37:19.750 first serve basis. We do have enough for whoever 00:37:19.750 --> 00:37:22.570 would like to join, but not enough of each stateroom. 00:37:22.949 --> 00:37:25.250 There's space on the ship, but there will be 00:37:25.250 --> 00:37:28.170 a balcony option and interior option, and then 00:37:28.170 --> 00:37:31.159 an ocean view, which just has a window. with 00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:33.559 the outside. All right. So another incentive 00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:36.559 for people to sign up now for the Grease Tour. 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:38.900 Number one, your name is on the list and you'll 00:37:38.900 --> 00:37:40.960 have the first right of refusal. Number two, 00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:43.059 you'll have a first right of refusal for the 00:37:43.059 --> 00:37:45.980 optional Grease Tour. And number three, you will 00:37:45.980 --> 00:37:48.340 have a return traveler discount available to 00:37:48.340 --> 00:37:51.139 you for our future trips. And I'm really excited 00:37:51.139 --> 00:37:53.579 about every single bit of this. I want to thank 00:37:53.579 --> 00:37:55.980 you so much, Jenna, for helping us. And I want 00:37:55.980 --> 00:38:00.239 to encourage everybody to write me with my email 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.840 at faithtoliveby at pamelachristianministries 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.820 .com. In the subject line, write Greece. And 00:38:05.820 --> 00:38:08.699 in the body of the email, simply write your name 00:38:08.699 --> 00:38:11.139 and the number of people in your party, your 00:38:11.139 --> 00:38:13.559 contact information. And then when we get closer 00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:16.320 to the actual time of needing registrations, 00:38:16.539 --> 00:38:18.940 needing deposits, we'll contact you and firm 00:38:18.940 --> 00:38:21.920 up as you'd like. Jenna, thank you so much. I 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.300 know it's about a year away, but I'm already 00:38:24.300 --> 00:38:27.510 excited. So am I. So am I. And before we log 00:38:27.510 --> 00:38:29.309 off, hopefully you'll allow me to say quickly, 00:38:29.349 --> 00:38:32.590 we also have a team on our Four Corners team 00:38:32.590 --> 00:38:36.110 that does individual travel as well. So after 00:38:36.110 --> 00:38:38.210 you take a cruise, we would also be able to get 00:38:38.210 --> 00:38:41.550 you a return discount for individual travel if 00:38:41.550 --> 00:38:43.690 you wanted to take a trip with just your family 00:38:43.690 --> 00:38:46.250 or a cruise or something along those lines. That's 00:38:46.250 --> 00:38:48.309 good to know. There's all kinds of reasons for 00:38:48.309 --> 00:38:50.809 us to join together on this particular trip to 00:38:50.809 --> 00:38:54.150 Greece in April of 2026. Thanks so much, Jenna. 00:38:54.460 --> 00:39:24.280 Thank you so much. the ability to know more about 00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:26.940 the plan of redemption that God offers every 00:39:26.940 --> 00:39:30.719 human being. It's as simple as willingly choosing 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:34.940 to believe in and receive Jesus Christ as the 00:39:34.940 --> 00:39:38.760 Son of God, the promised Redeemer, who actually 00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:43.440 lived on this earth and died, so that by way 00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:45.900 of his death and resurrection we have a way of 00:39:45.900 --> 00:39:49.219 escape, a way of redemption, a way of being reunited 00:39:49.219 --> 00:39:52.510 with God the Father. If you want to live confident 00:39:52.510 --> 00:39:55.269 that your life has been redeemed, if you want 00:39:55.269 --> 00:39:58.750 to live free from fear and confusion, if you 00:39:58.750 --> 00:40:02.630 want to know that you will live eternally with 00:40:02.630 --> 00:40:06.449 God in heaven forever, all you need to do is 00:40:06.449 --> 00:40:09.650 place your faith in Jesus. Simply repeat after 00:40:09.650 --> 00:40:14.789 me, Jesus, I thank you for being who you said 00:40:14.789 --> 00:40:18.349 you are, for living on this earth a sinless life. 00:40:18.489 --> 00:40:22.650 and taking on my sins, then dying and paying 00:40:22.650 --> 00:40:26.090 the debt of sin that I cannot pay, and allowing 00:40:26.090 --> 00:40:29.349 me a way to escape judgment and to be redeemed 00:40:29.349 --> 00:40:32.630 through faith in you? This is what I want now. 00:40:33.090 --> 00:40:36.269 I want to be redeemed. I want to be restored 00:40:36.269 --> 00:40:38.630 into a right relationship with God the Father 00:40:38.630 --> 00:40:41.550 through faith in you, Jesus, by the power of 00:40:41.550 --> 00:40:44.989 your Holy Spirit. So I'm choosing to believe 00:40:44.989 --> 00:40:47.849 with my heart and I'm confessing now with my 00:40:47.849 --> 00:40:51.849 mouth that you are my Savior and my Lord and 00:40:51.849 --> 00:40:55.329 I thank you that the promise that God makes is 00:40:55.329 --> 00:40:59.130 that anyone who confesses faith in Jesus shall 00:40:59.130 --> 00:41:03.630 be saved. Thank you Jesus for my new life in 00:41:03.630 --> 00:41:08.670 you today. Amen. Now if you just prayed that 00:41:08.670 --> 00:41:10.809 prayer for the first time or if you're praying 00:41:10.809 --> 00:41:12.750 that prayer again because you know you need to 00:41:12.750 --> 00:41:15.510 make a renewal commitment to your life I want 00:41:15.510 --> 00:41:17.909 to hear from you. I want to celebrate with you 00:41:17.909 --> 00:41:21.510 Please give me an email at faith to live by at 00:41:21.510 --> 00:41:24.849 Pamela Christian ministries comm Let me know 00:41:24.849 --> 00:41:27.570 that you've given your heart to Jesus today and 00:41:27.570 --> 00:41:30.489 I will do what I can to help you Get started 00:41:30.489 --> 00:41:33.940 in your new life in Christ Now to finish out 00:41:33.940 --> 00:41:36.420 today's podcast, please listen to the closing 00:41:36.420 --> 00:41:39.059 announcements I have. It will help you know how 00:41:39.059 --> 00:41:41.820 you can support me so I can continue to support 00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:43.900 you each and every week right here with this 00:41:43.900 --> 00:41:47.639 podcast known as Faith to Live By. It may seem 00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:50.699 far off, but most people make plans for a significant 00:41:50.699 --> 00:41:54.000 vacation about a year in advance. So if you haven't 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.840 already expressed interest in traveling with 00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:00.260 us in April 2026, Now is the time to do so. We 00:42:00.260 --> 00:42:02.440 want to have about 30 people total because this 00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:05.219 size group works best for the specific tour I 00:42:05.219 --> 00:42:07.659 have in mind. We'll be walking the footsteps 00:42:07.659 --> 00:42:10.340 of the Apostle Paul. I'm using the time between 00:42:10.340 --> 00:42:14.039 now and October 2025 to determine if we have 00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:17.000 enough interest and the trend indicates we definitely 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.440 should. We have just about 30 people on the list 00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.000 now but I'd like to have more because when it 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.139 comes to the actual day of making a commitment 00:42:24.139 --> 00:42:26.579 things could have changed and I want to be able 00:42:26.579 --> 00:42:28.980 to have at least 30 actually attend the tour. 00:42:29.260 --> 00:42:31.300 So if you think you'd like to be part of the 00:42:31.300 --> 00:42:34.320 Faith to Live By Christian Tour with me in Greece 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.199 during April 2026, now is the time to get your 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.679 name and number in your party on the list. There's 00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:42.920 no obligation at this point, you're just expressing 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.199 your interest. Attendees need to arrange their 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:47.559 own air travel to and from the Athens International 00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:50.300 Airport. To get your name on the list, send an 00:42:50.300 --> 00:42:53.400 email to faithtolivebyatpamela .christianministries 00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:56.380 .com with the word Greece in the subject line. 00:42:56.969 --> 00:42:59.289 The body of the email provides your name, contact 00:42:59.289 --> 00:43:01.670 information, and number of people you expect 00:43:01.670 --> 00:43:03.769 to be in your party. This will place your name 00:43:03.769 --> 00:43:06.449 on the Interested in Attending list but does 00:43:06.449 --> 00:43:08.809 not obligate you in any way. It nearly assures 00:43:08.809 --> 00:43:11.250 you have first right of refusal when down payments 00:43:11.250 --> 00:43:14.070 are due. 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