1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,080 Greetings and welcome to this bonus edition of Faith to Live By. 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:09,160 I'm Pam Christian, your host, where each week I help us explore current events from a biblical 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:15,520 and prophetic perspective, so we, as God's people, can know how He wants us to respond. 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:20,360 With this bonus edition, I'm taking a little departure from the focus that I just mentioned 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:25,360 to highlight specific prophecy that's been called a billion soul harvest or a great harvest 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:31,000 of souls that is imminent and what God has asked of His people in preparation to partner 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,200 with Him for this harvest of souls. 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:41,280 In Matthew 28-18-20, known as the Great Commission, each one of us is instructed to make disciples 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:47,040 of all nations, baptizing all men, meaning of course all people, in the name of the Father 10 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:52,040 and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey God's commands. 11 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:58,360 And in 2 Timothy 4, verse 2, we are instructed to be ready at all times to share the reason 12 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,920 for the hope that is in us. 13 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,840 Most Christians are not confident enough about their own faith to be willing to share their 14 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,280 faith with others. 15 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:11,520 There are many reasons for this, but regardless of the reason, the solution is to gain confidence. 16 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,920 First and foremost, so you have a strength of faith to see you through whatever life may 17 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:20,320 bring you, and also so you can effectively share your faith with others. 18 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:23,840 For over 31 years now, I have served in Christian ministry. 19 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,760 I didn't discover the accurate truth about Jesus until I was nearly 30 years old, and 20 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:35,400 the moment my eyes, mind, and heart were open to truth, I was radically and forever transformed. 21 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:41,040 There has been nothing in life or world events that has been able to shake my faith ever 22 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,040 since. 23 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,880 I've gone through a great deal of trials and sufferings and losses through the years, 24 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,840 but as I've said, nothing has been able to move me or cause me to doubt or fear because 25 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:58,920 I confidently know truth is eternal and truth is the greatest power over all lies, deception, 26 00:01:58,920 --> 00:01:59,920 and evil. 27 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:04,320 This degree of confidence in truth is what I want all people to know. 28 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,920 And from this deep-seated passion wanting others to know truth, I have willingly spent 29 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:12,280 every available working hour to help to that end. 30 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:18,640 Whether it be through teaching, speaking, radio, my books, internet television, my podcasts, 31 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:24,120 or my faith to live by training center, my aim is always the same, to help people discover 32 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:30,000 and live in life-giving truth and experience all the hope truth provides. 33 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,960 For these reasons, I'm bringing you this special edition of this podcast so you can 34 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,480 know about my online apologetics class. 35 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:43,360 This is a word derived from a Greek word which means speaking in defense. 36 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,880 It's not apologizing but offering a defense for the Christian faith. 37 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,600 However, the words apologetics and apologize are related. 38 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:57,000 They both come from the Greek word apologia, which means answer back or respond. 39 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:02,760 So apologetics is a learned discipline of speaking in response to challenges to a line 40 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:08,320 of thought, whereas to apologize is to respond to a wrong that has been done. 41 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,840 Not finding the truth until I was nearly 30 years old and wanting very much to make up 42 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:18,240 for lost time, I immersed myself in every way possible to learn all about my newfound 43 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:19,240 faith. 44 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:24,880 In this effort, I heard various men on Christian talk radio who used apologetics to defend 45 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,040 the Christian faith. 46 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:31,480 I was fascinated by the whole process and I found it to be the one sensible way to personally 47 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:36,880 gain confidence in what I believed, and the bonus was that I also became better equipped 48 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,920 to share my faith with others. 49 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:44,080 Also, as in a court of law, the one who makes a claim must be able to provide evidence in 50 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,960 support of their claim. 51 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:51,440 If they cannot, then why would a judge have any reason to rule on that claim being true? 52 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,920 Beyond any court of law, the same logic applies to all of life. 53 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:00,840 If a person claims there is only one God and one heaven and only one way to be rightly related 54 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:06,680 to God, the creator of all that exists, then that person must be able to defend what they 55 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:07,680 claim. 56 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,600 In other words, the one who makes a claim must be able to substantiate it. 57 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,880 If we can't substantiate why we believe the Christian faith, in contrast to all other 58 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:23,640 religious beliefs, we cannot help others find the same truth we have discovered. 59 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:29,200 As a quick test, if someone asks you why you believe the Christian faith, could you provide 60 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,160 at least three convincing reasons in support of your faith? 61 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,800 If you say you believe the Christian faith because Jesus was who he said he was, then 62 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,280 you need to be prepared for the next question. 63 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:42,800 How do you know Jesus was who he said he was? 64 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,840 If you say because Jesus was raised from the dead and he is alive, interceding in heaven, 65 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:50,600 then you need to be prepared for the next question. 66 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,360 How do you know? 67 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,360 If you say because the Bible says so, then you need to be prepared to answer the next 68 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:01,640 question which is, why is the Bible to be trusted over any other document of religious 69 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:02,640 authority? 70 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,600 Do you see what I mean? 71 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,200 With a basic understanding of the Christian faith, from the apologetic discipline, you 72 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,200 don't have to have all the answers, just the basic answers. 73 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,320 And from that much, you will know how to find answers to other questions. 74 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:21,840 The method of study learned through apologetics deepens our ability for weighing evidence 75 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:23,720 and thinking critically. 76 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,800 And that serves us in every area of life where we need to know truth. 77 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,720 As we've been learning since 2020, the vast majority of people are deceived about many 78 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,800 things, including truth itself. 79 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,760 When a person is deceived, they are unaware of their condition, because that's the nature 80 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,120 of deception. 81 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:48,200 Until and unless a person's core beliefs are abruptly challenged, causing them to reconsider 82 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,400 what they believe and why they will go on living in deception. 83 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:57,240 At the same time, all human beings universally desire truth. 84 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:02,520 No one likes being lied to, not even a pathological liar likes being lied to. 85 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:07,280 And especially since 2020, the whole world is waking up and out of deception and the 86 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:10,120 importance of confidently knowing truth. 87 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,960 For several decades, people claimed truth was relative, and the vast majority of us, 88 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,600 without knowing how to defend truth, went along with that claim. 89 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,800 Belief that truth is personal and subjective is called relativism. 90 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,280 It claims what is true for you is your truth and what is true for me is my truth, even 91 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:31,720 if what we both believe contradict. 92 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,360 Relativism is finally being recognized by people all around the world as one of many 93 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,600 deceptions we've been subjected to. 94 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,360 Subjective truth and objective truth are two very different matters. 95 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:44,720 Let me demonstrate. 96 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,880 If I say I believe double chocolate cake is the very best in the whole world, I'm telling 97 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,160 the truth of what I believe about cakes. 98 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:57,240 However, you could claim that lemon cake is the very best cake in the whole world, and 99 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:58,720 that's your truth. 100 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:04,000 When it comes to subjective matters, there can be more than one truth. 101 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:10,680 Subjective matters are those based on influence, personal feelings, tastes, or personal opinions. 102 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,520 Subjective truths will differ from person to person. 103 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:19,760 Understanding that people have their own preferences and this should be respected is the premise 104 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,360 by which relativism took root. 105 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:28,000 However, with this trend, feelings came to have more authority than rational thought. 106 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:34,600 Our culture and society were radically changed when feelings became more important than objective 107 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:35,600 reasoning. 108 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,200 If a person says I feel, we have come to a place in our culture that we don't question 109 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:45,880 why they feel as they do because people are entitled to their own feelings. 110 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:51,120 This has gotten our world so far removed from what is true that we are now expected to believe 111 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:56,000 that there are countless genders, men can have babies, and children know what's best 112 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,160 for them and need not consult their parents as just three examples. 113 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,520 As you can see, there's not a standard of truth in these three examples. 114 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:11,680 However, objective matters are not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering 115 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,200 and examining the facts. 116 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:19,600 Subjective means information based on facts and evidence that align with reality, while 117 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:26,360 subjective means information or perspectives based on feelings, opinions, or emotions. 118 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:27,360 Consider this. 119 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:32,120 If it is nighttime where I am and I claim it is daytime, since what I claim is obviously 120 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,720 contrary to reality, people would rightly determine that at the very least I'm confused 121 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,040 or blind and most certainly I'm not relating to reality. 122 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,280 That makes sense to you, right? 123 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:48,040 But in our current culture, if I claim I'm a man when I'm clearly a woman, even though 124 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:54,480 what I claim obviously is contrary to reality, people not only leave me to my own demise, 125 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,840 they are also expected to offer support for my claims in a variety of ways. 126 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:05,920 This is the absurdity of the lie that truth is relative, which is nothing but a deception 127 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,720 from the pit of hell and it must be stopped. 128 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,400 I believe exposing this lunacy and waking people up to the fact that we've been lied 129 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,960 to is exactly what God has been doing since 2020. 130 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,800 However, simply realizing we've been lied to is not enough. 131 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,640 We need to know how to find our way back to truth. 132 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:30,320 Earlier, I made the claim that universally, people all around the world want to know truth. 133 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,360 They want to live their lives based on truth. 134 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:38,080 That claim can easily be substantiated by the fact of how upset people become when they 135 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,440 realize they've been lied to. 136 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:45,720 So we must be able to agree upon the answer to the question, what is truth? 137 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,560 We've already explored the tragedy that comes from the claim that truth is subjective or 138 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:50,560 relative. 139 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:56,360 So now let's consider what our world would be like if we agreed truth is objective. 140 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,480 Here's what I wrote in my first book, in my Faith to Live by Ceres. 141 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:05,680 There is an absolute standard regarding any truth, though not everyone is willing to accept 142 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:06,720 this. 143 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,440 To confirm a matter is truth, three essential characteristics must be in place at the same 144 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:12,640 time. 145 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,480 Number one, the truth is always based on reality. 146 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,360 Number two, only one thing can be true and all opposing matters are false. 147 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,600 And number three, truth is universal. 148 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:30,560 Now consider this, people who claim truth is relative make this statement. 149 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:33,880 They would say, there's no such thing as absolute truth. 150 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,080 And I really want you to consider that claim. 151 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:42,960 That claim is indefensible because while they claim there is no such thing as absolute truth, 152 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,400 they actually use the law of absolutes to make their claim. 153 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,400 It can't be both ways. 154 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:56,200 So the standard we need to agree upon is truth is clearly absolute and objective and based 155 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,640 on reality. 156 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:03,720 Now what I just demonstrated is ration and reason in an apologetic style that you can 157 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,720 use when helping people discover what truth actually is. 158 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,400 If my demonstration was new to you, then you just learned how to use apologetics when it 159 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,200 comes to defending what truth is. 160 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:20,320 And this is without any reference to any religion or spiritual component. 161 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,320 That makes this a great method when it comes to helping others discover truth. 162 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:29,320 Just start with truth itself and know truth will always lead us to Jesus, who himself 163 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,400 is the way, the truth, and the life. 164 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,120 Everyone wants to live their life on the basis of truth. 165 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,720 So why doesn't everyone take the time and effort to examine what they believe and why, 166 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,320 to be certain, what they believe is true? 167 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,960 Well, again, there are many reasons. 168 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,920 And one, I think, is highly significant is that most of us believe what our parents, 169 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,720 teachers, or other people in positions of authority taught us to believe. 170 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:01,480 For us to even consider reexamining what we believe can feel like a disrespectful affront 171 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,080 to these precious people who had authority in our lives. 172 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,520 Certainly, we trust our parents and others in authority over us would not intentionally 173 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,160 lie to us. 174 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,920 But what if what our parents understood to be true wasn't truth at all and they just 175 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,040 didn't realize it? 176 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,920 What if our teachers and professors had been taught to believe a matter is true and they 177 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,680 never really examined it? 178 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:30,880 What if self-appointed elites who are influenced by greed, power, and money with an understanding 179 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:38,400 of human nature actually schemed away to deceive people for their own selfish purposes? 180 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,960 These are questions worth pondering. 181 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,920 Transitioning to another thought, most people believe what we act on as truth in our earthly 182 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:51,240 lives will determine where we spend our eternal spiritual lives. 183 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:58,360 This is true of the five major world religions which are Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, 184 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,520 and Christianity. 185 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,640 In fact, even New Age teaches belief in reincarnation. 186 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:09,040 And every person who holds to these different faiths believe that their religion is true, 187 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,000 otherwise they wouldn't adhere to it. 188 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,040 Again, all human beings want to live their life on the basis of truth. 189 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,360 If in fact people adhere to their religious faith, believing how they live their temporal 190 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:25,440 lives, impacts their eternal lives, then why wouldn't there be more emphasis on genuinely 191 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,880 examining what they believe and why? 192 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,240 And why isn't there more interest in knowing how each of the five major world religions 193 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:38,920 and New Age differ to determine which is the most plausible to believe? 194 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:43,480 Not only are these good questions for each of us to answer for ourselves, they are excellent 195 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:48,680 questions to ask others to consider in effort to help them discover and live in truth. 196 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:53,520 Okay, all of this is to bring you to some areas of critical thinking that you may have 197 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,720 not explored before because I know you want to live in truth and you have others in your 198 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,440 life that you can help lead to truth. 199 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:06,960 This is why when I was asked to start an online course in apologetics, I jumped at the chance. 200 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,320 I want you to know about this course. 201 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,560 I have a link or two you can use to actually see parts of the course that you can take 202 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:18,640 in your spare time to confidently discover truth, to be able to defend why the Christian 203 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:24,240 faith is the most plausible and satisfying of all, to defend why the Bible is unique 204 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:30,000 in contrast to all other documents of religious authority and more, so you can be confident 205 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:35,200 you are living your life on the basis of truth and be equipped to share your faith with friends 206 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:40,520 and loved ones to help them confidently live their lives on the basis of truth. 207 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:46,320 With that, I have invited my associate professor, Frank Kodespati, to join me as we discuss how 208 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,000 we came to develop and offer this five-course curriculum. 209 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,240 This is simply a recorded phone call, so the audio is not perfect, but that didn't matter 210 00:14:54,240 --> 00:15:00,600 so much to me because our compassion and desire to help others discover truth is what counts. 211 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,480 Frank's background is in both ministry and the fields of information technology, real 212 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:09,000 estate development, and financial services as a solution architect that supported the 213 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:14,720 IT departments of Fortune 100 companies as well as government and education, including 214 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,960 development of his own Christian apologetics curriculum. 215 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:22,280 This first book is titled Angels and Demons, the Battle for Your Mind, and is offered through 216 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,160 our Faith to Live by Training Center, which I'll tell you more about after you hear my 217 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:27,680 conversation with Frank. 218 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:33,680 Listen, as we endeavor to share our hearts with you, here's my interview with Frank Kodespati. 219 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,320 Frank Kodespati, I am so delighted to introduce you to my audience. 220 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,440 I've already told them a little bit about you. 221 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:50,520 So at this point, I would just like you to speak about yourself and personally share 222 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,520 what you'd like people to know about you. 223 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,600 Well, thank you, Pam, for having me. 224 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:02,320 I've been in ministry for a number of years, and I've seen how the lack of being able to 225 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:07,240 defend your faith has really taken your toll on our kids. 226 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:13,200 And that's been really a motivating factor for me in getting involved in the ministry 227 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:14,200 early on. 228 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,720 I know you actually began ministry work with children, and you explained to me before we 229 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:23,880 started the program that it was visiting the Museum of Natural Science that really started 230 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,080 directing you in this whole area of apologetics. 231 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,080 Absolutely. 232 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:36,080 I began to really recognize how the museums, our documentaries, and even our school books 233 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:43,680 are indoctrinating our children and adults into believing that our origins are coming 234 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:44,680 from monkeys. 235 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:53,720 They're pressing the Darwinism philosophy that has been responsible for a lot of damage. 236 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:59,640 Many people don't realize that Adolf Hitler was a staunch Darwinist. 237 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,240 So was Mussolini. 238 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,800 And they believe that there, especially in Hitler's case, that the Aryan race was a 239 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,800 superior race. 240 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:16,000 And they believe like Darwin professed when he was on the Elapatos Islands that these 241 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:22,560 people were inferior to speaking themselves. 242 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:28,800 And here we are in schools, in the National History Museum, showing this displays of a 243 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,800 Neanderthal man or a Java man and all these different things. 244 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:41,720 And I remember going to school and having to basically memorize information about these 245 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:48,920 subspecies of Homo sapiens and be able to pass a test. 246 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:54,560 And I know we have a lot of students in our public schools that, all the way through college, 247 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,000 that are doing the same thing. 248 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:02,320 Even those who might be Christian are having to memorize material in order to pass a test. 249 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:08,560 And it is also chipping away at their own personal faith in Christ. 250 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:09,560 Absolutely. 251 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:10,560 Absolutely. 252 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:18,680 And, you know, unfortunately, and I'm thinking back in the days of children's ministry, where 253 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,120 in Sunday school, we never really armed our kids. 254 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:25,560 And I believe you can start at a very early age. 255 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:32,200 Arming them with information that at least begins the process of critical thinking. 256 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,120 And being able to ask pointed questions. 257 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:36,120 Yes. 258 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:41,640 I know this has been something very important to me to help people learn how to think critically, 259 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:46,440 because our schools of public education, especially, are teaching our children what 260 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,560 to think rather than how to think. 261 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:56,120 And we've actually turned out to our society, and I'm sure it's by design, but there's people 262 00:18:56,120 --> 00:19:01,640 who are adult, who are influential and very successful in their own right, who are influencing 263 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,240 many, many other people without the ability to think critically. 264 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,240 Absolutely. 265 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:12,160 And, you know, I mean, you throw in mainstream media and all the other talking heads and 266 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,520 such that are all there. 267 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:21,040 They all seem to be exercising the same agenda to really indoctrinate all of us, you know, 268 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:31,760 of all ages, into a way of thinking about our worldview, where our origins, and really 269 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:37,240 the fact that all of this could have happened all by itself, which is ludicrous. 270 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,240 Right. 271 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:44,120 And, of course, this is a way to displace God, to make people believe that God doesn't 272 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:45,120 really exist. 273 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:46,120 Satan doesn't really exist. 274 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:50,560 And in this way, Satan has the victory to actually control the masses. 275 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,040 And this is exactly what we've seen. 276 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,760 And I think people are waking up to this reality of the battle between good and evil, the existence 277 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,800 of God, the existence of Satan. 278 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,040 People are waking up to these truths, and they're starved for truth by this point in 279 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,040 time. 280 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:08,520 I mean, most people know the media and governments have been lying to the people of the world, 281 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,280 and people today are starved for the truth. 282 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:15,440 So I can't think of a better thing for us to be able to offer than our apologetics course. 283 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,720 And I love how it even happened that you and I came together to be able to do this. 284 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,760 Why don't you talk about that a little bit? 285 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:21,760 Oh, absolutely. 286 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:29,400 I remember I was at the Rock Church in Anaheim, and Pastor Jerry Deerman, the senior pastor, 287 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:35,440 had gotten up at the end of a message and said, you know, if you all can think of a 288 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:40,880 ministry that perhaps you'd like to see at the Rock, why don't you turn over your guest 289 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,760 card and write it down on the back of the card. 290 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,480 And I wrote apologetics. 291 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:53,560 And about a week or so later, the church announced that they were going to have an interest group, 292 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,360 a little meeting on apologetics. 293 00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:58,520 So I thought, woohoo, let's go. 294 00:20:58,520 --> 00:20:59,680 So I did. 295 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,120 And here I am. 296 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:02,880 I go to this apologetics meeting. 297 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:08,520 You know, there was probably 100 people in a room, and I'm sitting at the front row, 298 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:14,280 and Pastor Jerry's going through what his vision was for the group. 299 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:19,400 And he had asked if anyone was willing to coordinate a committee. 300 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,160 And no one raised their hand, so I raised my hand. 301 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,560 So he picked me. 302 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:24,560 Okay, you're it. 303 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:30,040 You know, so you're going to be the person to coordinate on the development of the Rock's 304 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,720 ultimately the apologetic curriculum. 305 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:39,600 And so through the ensuing weeks, I spent several hours working with Pastor Jerry, and 306 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,960 the group was big, and then it got smaller and smaller and smaller, and it just didn't 307 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,120 really didn't have any traction. 308 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:51,680 So we shifted gears a few ways with, you know, the curriculum. 309 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,240 First we were going to develop our own curriculum. 310 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:59,680 Then we were going to assemble a group of free published curriculums that others had done 311 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,520 and and craft that into some form of a class. 312 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,640 It never really took off. 313 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:12,200 And but that's how I had the chance to work with Pastor Jerry and get to know him and 314 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,360 it knows family well and the association with apologetics. 315 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:23,800 So I had sent him a text message on his birthday, and he responded back saying, Hey, we think 316 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:29,640 you'd be interested in being an associate professor with our apologetics class. 317 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,360 Of course, sir. 318 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:32,360 So here we are. 319 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:33,360 Yeah. 320 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:36,320 And the way it happened for me because I didn't know Pastor Jerry, but I was introduced 321 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,960 to him by a mutual friend because of my book series, They Use Apologetics and Explaining 322 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,600 the Christian Faith. 323 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,600 And Jerry was really pleased not only with my book series, but he asked me to create 324 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:52,680 the curriculum for their online school to help people, help leaders, especially in the 325 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:58,400 church know how to teach apologetics, not just to use apologetics, but to help others 326 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,240 learn to use apologetics. 327 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,760 He really wanted to broaden the perspective. 328 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,240 And the next thing I know he says, I've got the perfect associate professor for you. 329 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,240 And it was you. 330 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,600 So this has just been a wonderful match. 331 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:10,720 And I've enjoyed every bit of it. 332 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,720 Now we started off with their school, but they put their school on pause and then encouraged 333 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,240 us to go ahead and start our own training center. 334 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:23,480 So that's exactly how you and I came together to create the Faith to Live by Training Center. 335 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,000 And you, with all of your amazing technical background, you thought it best that we would 336 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,560 also continue with that, not only for our students, but because of the ease of using 337 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:32,560 it. 338 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,760 Talk a little bit about the structure of the Canvas platform and what the students can 339 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,280 expect by using it. 340 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,800 Oh, you know, it's a very user-friendly platform. 341 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:46,040 It's a platform where the courses can be plainly accessed. 342 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,640 There are features within it where you can communicate with your instructors. 343 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,680 You can participate in discussion groups. 344 00:23:53,680 --> 00:24:00,240 It has a testing system and quizzing system that's very easy to create and easy for the 345 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,000 students to use. 346 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:09,560 And so given the simplicity of the platform, it really makes it a perfect fit for the courses 347 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:10,560 that we're offering. 348 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:11,560 Right. 349 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:16,760 Now we have five classes with a total of 29 weeks or sessions. 350 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,440 And when the students go online, when they sign up to take the particular courses, they 351 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,600 do so knowing that they will have live interaction with you. 352 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,680 I wanted to talk about that a little bit, please. 353 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,960 Well, absolutely. 354 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:34,560 As you had mentioned, we've got the five courses, you know, Y-apologetics, True Foundations, 355 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:42,520 Diplical Morality versus Culture, and Nations are Christ, and then the last one, Real Science. 356 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,600 They go on, they begin to take the course, and when they have a question, they can send 357 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,400 me a message on the platform. 358 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,920 And then I'm able to go in, respond to their question. 359 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,800 Sometimes they have observations. 360 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:02,080 Maybe something's not working properly, or maybe they need some clarity on a particular 361 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,080 question. 362 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,120 And I'm able to address those needs right away. 363 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:10,720 And I think that's just so helpful to know that it's a live interactive type experience. 364 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,280 It's not just AI or something. 365 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,440 Of course, I have developed the course, and they will see me each week on video or guests 366 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,680 that I might have on to present the information. 367 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,640 But they do have complete access to you, which is just tremendous. 368 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,160 And what would you say would be some of the benefits for our students in taking our particular 369 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,160 course? 370 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:35,720 Well, I think first and foremost is the principles that are taught on how to send your faith. 371 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:43,720 That's probably the best armor that we can give to anyone, really knowing not only archeological 372 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:49,120 facts, but also the scientific facts that support what we believe in. 373 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:54,760 And also, because of the information that they're receiving and ingesting, they receive 374 00:25:54,760 --> 00:26:00,960 the confidence to be able to share their faith and to be able to respond intelligently to 375 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:08,000 people that have questions or perhaps retorts, if you will, to them being a Christian or 376 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,720 to a statement they make that's based upon your faith. 377 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,880 I know that in the development of the course, I included some of my books, some references 378 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,600 to others, some references to articles. 379 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,280 It's a really rich course in terms of the content. 380 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,840 And one of the things that people have said, especially about my first book, which is called 381 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,880 Examining Your Faith, Finding Truth in a World of Lies, is that they thought they were reading 382 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,800 the book so that they could learn more about how to share their faith. 383 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:40,160 But in reality, what they came away with was a deeper confidence for themselves in their 384 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,880 Christian faith. 385 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,760 And I think it's important that we help people understand that not all religions are equal, 386 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,760 not all religions lead to the same God and same heaven. 387 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,280 And we give them tools on how they can talk to their Muslim friends, how they can talk 388 00:26:54,280 --> 00:27:00,280 to their Mormon friends, how they can talk to people from other faiths and find commonality, 389 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,200 find what is the human interest for all of us, what's common for all of us, which is 390 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,800 a desire for truth. 391 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,300 Everyone wants to know the truth. 392 00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:10,040 No one wants to live their life on the basis of a lie. 393 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:15,360 And between your years of experience and apologetics and mine, with all the resources, including 394 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:19,360 many of your written materials, and I want to talk about your sub-stack in just a minute, 395 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:24,240 but this is available through extra ways they can take advantage of the materials that are 396 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,640 available through the Faiths of the By Training Center. 397 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:28,640 Absolutely. 398 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,080 And sometimes it just comes down to knowing what question to ask. 399 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,480 As an example, gee, we came from monkeys. 400 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:42,200 It's like interesting when monkeys have 48 chromosomes and humans have 46. 401 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,840 Where'd the other two come from? 402 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,400 I was just asking. 403 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,240 Or you're telling me that Jesus wasn't dead when he came down from the cross, but it's 404 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:57,720 interesting that it was written by eyewitnesses that when he was pierced by a spear that 405 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:04,400 out poured water and blood, the water and blood refers to a condition called Erychardial 406 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,000 Infusion, which happens at the point of death when the heart is surrounded by a sack of 407 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,000 water. 408 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,760 The lungs are also surrounded by a sack of water as well. 409 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,320 So when he was pierced with the spear and when water came out in addition to a small 410 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:23,520 amount of blood, that proved that he was dead, but not swooning or he fell asleep and then 411 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,680 he just got out and walked. 412 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,600 But anyway, these fine points are important. 413 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,040 Yes, they are all very important. 414 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,480 And they're valid questions. 415 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,600 And the Bible tells us as Christians, as believers, that we are to be ready in season 416 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,760 and out of season to share the hope that is within us. 417 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,360 And I believe with all my heart, with everything the world has gone through, especially since 418 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:48,000 2020, that there is going to be what has been spoken of as a billion soul harvest, people 419 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:55,600 coming by the droves to churches, wanting to embrace their newfound truth of Jesus Christ 420 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:00,040 and understand how to live their faith on a daily basis. 421 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:05,480 And people, everyday Christians, not pastors, not professors, but everyday people need to 422 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:11,400 know how to share their faith and what better way to do it than to take a 29 week course 423 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,680 through our online platform, which people can take at their leisure and complete according 424 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:16,680 to their timeline. 425 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,520 If they want to complete it in as little as 29 weeks, they can. 426 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,840 If they want to double that, they can. 427 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,440 But it's a very inexpensive course. 428 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:31,640 It's a very power packed course that is intended to equip Christians to share their faith effectively 429 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,920 and answer some of the tough questions and know how to do it in a winsome way, that we 430 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,560 are not ever lording over other people that we have the truth and you don't know that 431 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,400 is the worst method by far. 432 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,560 So I love that you and I have been able to join together to make this available and I 433 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,400 will have on the end of my podcast in the show notes the links that people can go to 434 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:58,200 to learn more and to consider signing up for this 29 week course. 435 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,920 Frank, I would like people to know a little bit more about you and the other work that 436 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,000 you've done beyond our mutual work with the Faith to Live by Training Center. 437 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,880 Can you briefly talk about your sub stack papers, please? 438 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,880 Yes, absolutely. 439 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,600 I started a sub stack about a year ago. 440 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,000 I want people are familiar with that because it's a publishing platform that anyone can 441 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,360 really create an accounting and begin to publish. 442 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:26,520 The start of it all was just knowing that people have been lied to not only in terms 443 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,880 of what we're being taught in school and in documentaries about our origins and the lack 444 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:37,920 of any discussion about intelligent design but also just a variety of different criticisms 445 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,680 about the Bible and about Christianity. 446 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:47,240 And as Christianity is becoming more and more attacked, I just felt compelled to begin to 447 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,240 write. 448 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:54,920 And so I started off in a series of newsletters or articles, if you will, starting off at 449 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,680 the very beginning and then I'm kind of moving through some of the content that I have in 450 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,160 my book. 451 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,800 And I just started publishing. 452 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,440 Right now I'm publishing twice a week on Tuesdays and Thursdays. 453 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:13,200 And then go to frankodispody.substack.com and see some of those articles. 454 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:20,040 But I just felt compelled to really just kind of get my point a few across and not only 455 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:26,800 make the statements but also back them up with some scientific and archeological proof 456 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,200 that kind of reinforcement I was saying. 457 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,600 You and I are identical on a method. 458 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:37,320 We like to ask questions, genuine questions to help people think critically, to help them 459 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,400 articulate why they believe as they do and to identify for themselves whether or not 460 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,400 it's valid. 461 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,400 Absolutely. 462 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,600 Especially now in an age where they're suggesting that our children can pretend to be a different 463 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:56,560 gender and then act on that pretension that with basically physical mutilation and just 464 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:02,520 destroying our kids or the lie that many women have swallowed that well it's my body and 465 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,840 I have the right to do what, murder a child. 466 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,760 And we can prove that babies have feelings in 10 weeks. 467 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,480 And before you even know you're pregnant the baby is capable of understanding pain. 468 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,720 So in any case there's just so much out there. 469 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:26,000 People have just been sold a bill of goods and they've been told like we witnessed what 470 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000 happened with COVID. 471 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:33,080 They were told oh my goodness churches are non-essential so we're closing them down but 472 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,760 you can go to a marijuana dispensary and buy marijuana or buy a bottle of booze at a liquor 473 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:43,400 store and certainly Home Depot and Lowe's are more important than Bob's hardware store 474 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,200 which had to close down. 475 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,720 Those other organizations were able to stay open. 476 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,600 And then saying that gee you have to wear a mask and you can get, you can catch something 477 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,800 from a virus and stuff like that. 478 00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:03,040 It just violated scientific evidence and people started believing it because gee Dr. Fauci 479 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,880 said this is the way it is. 480 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:11,800 And lo and behold you know thousands of more doctors finally stood up and said hey look 481 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,400 you know this is not the way that it goes and this is not how it works. 482 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,440 And they were threatened and many of them lost their licenses American Medical Association. 483 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:27,800 So all of a sudden government is peaking down on doctors that are telling the truth. 484 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:34,120 This is the age that we're living and it's accelerating and it reminds me of what Daniel 485 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,760 prophesied and what's been prophesied in the book of Revelation. 486 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:45,120 And of course eschatology is an amazing way of building your faith. 487 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:50,720 Understanding that just with Jesus there were over 300 prophecies that were fulfilled. 488 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:56,440 I mean in Isaiah more than 600 years before his birth Isaiah described where he was going 489 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:03,200 to be born and how he was going to die 900 years before the Persians invented crucifixion. 490 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,160 So I mean knowing these phoenix and being armed with it. 491 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:13,040 It's not only like you said before fills people with confidence because they know how to defend 492 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,240 their faith and they know what they believe and they can prove without a shadow of a doubt 493 00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:18,240 what they believe. 494 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:24,600 But again we are at a time where people realize they've been lied to by government by media 495 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,440 and it impacts our daily lives. 496 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,200 It impacts our families and it impacts our children's education. 497 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,320 It impacts every area of our lives. 498 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,720 People need the truth over every aspect of life and the Christian faith unique to all 499 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:43,000 other religious beliefs can answer every life's question. 500 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:49,280 So anyone who's hearing this podcast who has had any questions about some of the moral 501 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,320 points of view or some of the social points of view whatever you might have a question 502 00:34:54,320 --> 00:35:00,840 about I encourage you to check out our apologetics course with the Faith to Live by Training Center. 503 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,080 You're able to talk to me or to talk to Frank before you even decide to sign up but let 504 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:11,440 us help you get the answers to life's questions in a way that satisfies you unlike anything 505 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,440 else. 506 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,880 I promise you that's available through the truth of Jesus Christ. 507 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,920 How about you Frank any last words? 508 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,800 I would just encourage people to get educated. 509 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,040 Education is power. 510 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:32,560 It's really up to us as a community to arm ourselves and to take that sword which is 511 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:39,680 the word of God and to use it not to be people over the head but to love them as Christ would 512 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:47,760 love them and offer them the reason for why we have the hope that we have and to share 513 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:53,880 that with them and hopefully through the power of the Holy Spirit to gain some traction and 514 00:35:53,880 --> 00:36:01,680 help not only have people become comforted in the message but also recognize the truth 515 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:07,920 that's being spoken and proven and that causes them to want to dig deeper themselves. 516 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:13,200 In closing, I'll just say that we did mention about how people are more awake today to the 517 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:21,320 reality of God and Satan or good and evil and what a person can really expect when armed 518 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:26,640 with the truth which we offer through the Apologetics Course is that we would be empowered 519 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:32,000 with the authority and the power of Jesus Christ over all the works of the enemy. 520 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,960 In other words, we, when we are properly equipped with the truth, have the ability to overcome 521 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,280 the evil that's in our world. 522 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,840 Frank I look forward to having you back in some weeks to come. 523 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,680 I just want to keep my audience reminded of what you and I are doing through the Faith 524 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:47,840 to Live by Training Center. 525 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,560 Would you grace me with a return visit? 526 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:50,560 Oh absolutely. 527 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:51,560 Happy to do it Pam. 528 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,560 All right. 529 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:59,560 Thank you. 530 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,720 Frank always provides excellent work. 531 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:06,080 I highly recommend you consider his sub-stack membership page which you'll find a link 532 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,720 for in the show notes. 533 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:13,040 Frank mentioned eschatology which is the study of end to times that my initial Apologetics 534 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,640 Course indirectly covers with two books in my Faith to Live by series. 535 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:23,040 They're titled Prepare for the Harvest, Confidence and God's End Time Promises and Prepare for 536 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,520 the Harvest, God's Challenge to the Church Today. 537 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,120 Both books are required reading along with the course materials to help students have 538 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,680 an introduction to eschatology. 539 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:37,240 Depending on the interest in this initial Apologetics Course, I may add additional curriculum that 540 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:41,080 may more fully explore eschatology and other topics of interest. 541 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,720 My aim with this course is not to be overly academic or scholarly, but rather to explore 542 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:49,320 topics and concerns most everyday people have. 543 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:54,480 This initial course was created as an introduction to Apologetics, offering important tactics 544 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,560 and guidelines when using Apologetics to lead others to truth and then the sessions advance 545 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,840 to explore some of the more timely matters according to current world events and what 546 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,800 people are considering today. 547 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,400 Also, students of this course will receive a certificate of completion that may be useful 548 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,320 if you are pursuing a career in ministry. 549 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:18,560 The Apologetics Course, Frank's Books, My Books and more are all available from the Faith 550 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:24,400 to Live by Training Center website which is www.pamalakrishonministries.com. 551 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,520 There are dashes between the various words so I think you probably know what this is 552 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,040 and probably just want to use the link in the show notes. 553 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,880 But you can look through the specific classes offered to get an idea of what I provide, 554 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,840 beginning with discovering truth, and then explore the Christian faith in light of other 555 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,440 major world religions, the unique authority of the Bible, and the evidence and support 556 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,960 of Jesus being who he claimed to be. 557 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,640 From there, having sufficiently defended Christianity as unique, I explore our history 558 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:59,040 of God's people, various tenets of the Christian faith, the origin of creation, and more. 559 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:04,280 We've done all we can to make this interactive course very affordable, easy to use, and structured 560 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,400 for people to complete according to their personal schedules. 561 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,720 Also, we offer group discounts for groups of five or more. 562 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:15,380 We think this curriculum is an excellent tool for a church small group or as part of a home 563 00:39:15,380 --> 00:39:19,320 study group so we're encouraging that by offering group discounts. 564 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,240 Contact us to learn more. 565 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:26,040 Do take a look at the webpage and also make a point of hearing the testimony of a precious 566 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:31,360 woman of God who shares how apologetics saved her faith and confidence in truth that her 567 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,560 experience in college nearly eroded. 568 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,120 There's a link for you to use to see the sample on the course materials on the Training 569 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,480 Center page. 570 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,580 As I said, you can talk with Frank and or myself before choosing to sign up. 571 00:39:43,580 --> 00:39:48,600 Feel free to email us at faithtoliveby at PamelaChristianMinistries.com and we can arrange 572 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,160 a telephone call. 573 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,480 If you are not a regular listener to my weekly Faith to Live By podcast where I explore current 574 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,440 events from a biblical and prophetic perspective, please know what you've just heard is a bonus 575 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:00,940 podcast. 576 00:40:00,940 --> 00:40:05,080 If you want to know what God is saying today and how He wants His children to respond in 577 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:10,600 these current times by all means, make a point of listening to my regular weekly podcast 578 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,920 right here where you have found this bonus edition. 579 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,880 I hope to have you join me on the regular podcast and certainly that you will decide 580 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,440 to become a student for my Faith to Live By Training Center. 581 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,320 I think you'll find everything you need to know about the course in the show notes, but 582 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:52,640 if you have any questions, please email me at faithtoliveby at PamelaChristianMinistries.com.