1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,800 Hello and welcome. You're listening to Faith to Live By. I'm Pam Christian, your host and 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,840 truth advocate. Each week I help us explore current events from a biblical and prophetic 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:19,180 perspective so we, as God's children, can know how He wants us to respond. My guest 4 00:00:19,180 --> 00:00:24,200 today is Pastor Phil Hatsentor, a man whose work, research, and understanding of biblical 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:29,180 prophecy I highly respect. I have actually known Pastor Phil for several years because 6 00:00:29,180 --> 00:00:34,840 he was one of the pastors at the church my family and I attended years ago. More recently, 7 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:40,840 he and his wife Tammy co-founded Influencer Church in Anaheim where he serves as the senior 8 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,160 pastor. 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Okay, as I mentioned, 52 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,000 my guest today is Pastor Phil Hotzenpiller. I told you a little bit about him and you 53 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,880 can learn more from his bio provided in the show notes. This is part one of my time with 54 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,760 him and I chose to break the interview up so I can address some of the otherwise overwhelming 55 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:13,680 world events taking place today in light of Bible prophecy. Here's part one of my interview 56 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:22,080 with Pastor Phil Hotzenpiller. 57 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,480 Pastor Phil Hotzenpiller, I'm so glad to have you on the program today. I've always admired 58 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,500 your work. I actually have known you for quite a while. You've been a pastor at a church 59 00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:34,240 I attended here in Orange County and my husband was even part of an architectural decision 60 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:35,960 you had for your home a while back. 61 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:41,440 Well, it's great to be with you today and especially talking about a topic that is so 62 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:51,240 relevant and so today in our news. And I think you're certainly qualified and going to be 63 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:57,580 a great person to dialogue with on this subject of end times and prophecy and what's in the 64 00:05:57,580 --> 00:06:01,560 headlines today and how does that relate to what's going on in our world? 65 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:07,920 Exactly. What I'd like to do is ask you your take on where we are today on God's timeline 66 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:13,120 starting with your overall concern for bridging the gap between ancient prophecies and the 67 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,120 complexities of our modern world. 68 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:20,440 Yeah, well, you know, everybody asks this question. Disciples started the question in 69 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:26,680 Matthew 24, you know, you know, when is the end and what's the sign of your return? And 70 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:33,040 so all of us kind of live in that world. One thing about prophecy is that it allows us 71 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:39,920 to to look from, you know, thousands of years ago, literally, if we just take Isaiah 2700 72 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:45,600 years ago, prophetic words that were given there and see their fulfillment today. So 73 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:52,360 for example, we are really in my opinion, we're we're close in terms of the return of 74 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:58,400 Christ. And when I say that, people always ask me how close I said, well, don't know. 75 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:04,000 But I can say this, that the prophetic clock, in my opinion, began to tick in 1948 when 76 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:09,360 Israel became the nation. But that was just really the beginning of prophetic fulfillments 77 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:16,200 that were going to take place in the years ahead and and bring us to where we are today. 78 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:24,680 So what you see in headlines today, we can match up with biblical prophecy very easily. 79 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:32,400 One of the hottest, most exciting prophetic events that's happening right now is the discovery 80 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:37,760 of the identification of the Red Heifer, which that seems so obscure people. But what what 81 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,900 are you talking about here? But that is really the most trending thing in biblical prophecy 82 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:49,040 today. Yeah. And I want to get to that in just a moment. But I want to start with what 83 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,360 could be very relevant for the audience. And you've said what I have said many times that 84 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,600 we are living in a dress rehearsal. And I said that especially with the events that 85 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:04,320 we were subject to in 2020 with the advent of COVID-19, that we are living in a time 86 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,480 of address rehearsal for the end times. Could you explain your perspective on that, please? 87 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:14,720 Yeah, well, when the pandemic came, I like to call it the pandemic. But when it came, 88 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:20,400 it didn't take us very long, a couple of weeks to realize that there was something wrong, 89 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:25,920 that numbers weren't adding up, that there was too much control happening. And I realized 90 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:31,300 it was really a dress rehearsal for a bigger event. One of the things that was most enlightening 91 00:08:31,300 --> 00:08:37,600 was coming across the research of Bitterman and Bitterman's chart of coercion. He wrote 92 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:45,880 it in the 1950s. And after examining the interrogation techniques of the Chinese and the Russians 93 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:51,960 on airmen, and he came up with eight points. And when I looked at them, I realized they 94 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:57,000 were the exact eight points that were being used during the lockdown. Number one was social 95 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:03,840 distancing six feet. And the Chinese and North Koreans found that if you could isolate people 96 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,000 six feet apart, you didn't even have to put them in separate rooms. They would be literally 97 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:15,360 isolated. And I go through in my book, my latest book, and I talk about how each one 98 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:23,440 of those areas we saw played out in the pandemic. And I get great examples of those so that 99 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:29,320 people can see that this was a dress rehearsal for coming at a price for an end time scenario 100 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:35,760 that we can't expect sometime in the future. Yeah. You've talked about the prophetic clock 101 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:40,720 and I thought it was fascinating that the information was listed for the days of Elijah, 102 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:45,000 the temple being rebuilt, which has to do with the red heifer you mentioned, the rapture, 103 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,640 the great tribulation and the second coming. Can you talk a little bit about the days of 104 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,040 Elijah and where we are in the time clock? Well, one of the things that's very interesting 105 00:09:53,040 --> 00:10:00,200 about Malachi four is that it talks about the fathers being restored to the children 106 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:05,080 and it doesn't mention mothers there, which is very fascinating. And I really, I think 107 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:12,560 we're seeing because of the gender confusion that's going on, we're seeing young men, especially 108 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:18,080 feeling like they have no place. They're just nowhere to go. And we're seeing in our church, 109 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:26,240 we're seeing more men coming now, engaging than ever before in our ministry, more fired 110 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:31,200 up for God than ever in any ministry I've ever been a part of. And at the same time, 111 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:36,640 we have a ministry to the public high schools where we go in and we do what's called the 112 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:42,680 Jesus club. We're having up to 250 kids at those at each one of those locations. I think 113 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:49,040 we're at three now or four. That's awesome. And up to 30 to 40 kids saved every week in 114 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:54,200 those. But here's the key. The majority of them are young men. They're not girls. So 115 00:10:54,200 --> 00:11:01,840 I think we're seeing a fulfillment of this return of men coming back knowing that and 116 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:07,480 I think it took the, you know, basically the attack on manhood for that to come about. 117 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:13,200 You have nowhere to go, but the word of God, it really kind of makes a difference. So I 118 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:18,240 think that's a real sign that we're seeing today. And I've talked to other people across 119 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:23,400 the nation. They're seeing similar things happen among their men. It is very fascinating 120 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,120 to see what's happening and trending with our men, especially with all the gender dysphoria 121 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,300 and things that are going on. Now, we talked about being close to the end times and you 122 00:11:31,300 --> 00:11:36,560 and I both will say, I'm not real sure. However, one of the clues I've often referred to is 123 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:41,560 the Hebrew calendar because the Hebrew calendar indicates that we are in the year 5784 since 124 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:47,320 creation and it's been the Jewish tradition to believe that the Messiah will come because 125 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,640 I didn't recognize his first coming, but the Messiah will come by the year 6,000. We're 126 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:57,840 only talking 216 years away. Yeah. And I think that's an interesting data point. I don't, 127 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,440 I don't want to put all my stock in that, but I think it's certainly one that we want 128 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:09,640 to put on the list and say, okay, that's interesting. What really is fascinating and you forced 129 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,520 me to jump into the red heifer a little bit here because my modem is who wrote in the 130 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:20,320 11th century is one of the most revered Jewish rabbis. He said when the 10th heifer is sacrificed, 131 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:28,380 the Messiah will return. Well, there's been nine red heifers from day one up through today. 132 00:12:28,380 --> 00:12:33,400 So the 10th heifer that would be sacrificed would be the one that is currently in play. 133 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:39,680 Wow. So that would be an interesting, again, another data point to what you just said about 134 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:46,600 the timing of the return of Christ. Now, specific to the prophetic time clock and the rebuilding 135 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:52,280 of the temple and the sacrifice of the red heifer from a Christian perspective, knowing 136 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:58,760 that Jesus was the final sacrifice, I kind of view the rebuilding of the temple as blasphemy. 137 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,760 What's your thought on that? Well, no, the temple will be rebuilt. We know that because 138 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,400 second Thessalonians chapter two, verse two says the antichrist would take his seat in 139 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,680 the temple of God and declare himself to be God. Now, a lot of people can't figure out 140 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:17,280 how to make this work and why they should. Remember during the tribulation, there is 141 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:22,840 no Holy Spirit. The restrainer has been removed and the Jews are going back to the Old Testament 142 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:28,160 sacrificial system. And that's what you see playing out. That's why it's referred to as 143 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:34,000 the gospel of the kingdom. And that's why you don't see Christians, so to speak, in 144 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:40,320 the tribulation. What you see is you see primarily a Jewish revival. They're going back to the 145 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:46,120 kingdom. They're going back to fighting Christ in the sacrificial system. And then the mark 146 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:52,800 of the beast, obviously, is if you refuse that, then you suffer the consequences of 147 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:59,800 death and martyrdom. But it's very interesting. And the testimony during the tribulation period 148 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:05,720 is really threefold. It's the angel that circles the earth with the everlasting gospel, a very 149 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,520 interesting phrase not used in the New Testament outside of Revelation. Then you have the two 150 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:19,920 witnesses, probably Moses and Elijah or Elijah and Enoch, and they give testimony. And then 151 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:28,960 you have the 144,000 Jewish evangelists from every tribe giving this testimony during that 152 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:34,280 time. So you have three primary sources of evangelism that are coming forward powerfully 153 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,880 during that tribulation period, bringing people into the kingdom of God. 154 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,880 Well, when we're talking about the Antichrist and a one-world government and the mark of 155 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,240 the beast and all these things that really are an echo of what we've been experiencing 156 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,840 and becoming aware of with this desire for globalism and a one-world government, wouldn't 157 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:56,000 you agree that the spirit behind all of this is no different than the spirit that was behind 158 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000 the Tower of Babel? 159 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:02,240 Oh, exactly. Well, really, the first human kingdom was Babylon. That was founded by Nimrod, 160 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:07,920 who's a type and a picture of the Antichrist. So we understand in the Bible that Babylon 161 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:14,760 is more than a geographical location. It's also a mindset and a practice of idolatry. 162 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:19,680 We know that because that Babylonian mindset runs all the way through the Bible, old and 163 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:25,280 new, and is culminated in Revelation 17 and 18, where it's called Mystery Babylon to Great 164 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:31,520 Whore. And the great whore is judged there and broken apart into three pieces. And I 165 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:38,360 dedicate a whole chapter to that where I talk extensively about Babylon and where is America's 166 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,360 place in the future. 167 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaking of America's place in the future, when it comes to the rise of the Antichrist, 168 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:51,800 do you see the United States as being instrumental in laying the groundwork for this Antichrist 169 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:52,800 and one-world government? 170 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:58,760 Well, what I do is I take a fresh approach to answer your question. Most people say, 171 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,720 where is America? The biblical prophecy. If you Google search that, you'll find out 172 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:09,680 people say it's not, or they might give you an obscure verse in Ezekiel 38. What I did 173 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:14,200 was I looked at it from a different perspective and I said, what is unique in this world? 174 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:19,400 And that is city-state. So Washington, D.C. is a city-state. Vatican is a city-state. 175 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,960 And London, Inc. is a city-state. Most people know about the first two. They don't know 176 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:28,320 about the third one. That's a one-square-mile area in London. It's a financial center of 177 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:34,800 the world. Vatican is really the religious center of the world, and D.C. is the military 178 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,760 center. So I really believe these make up the great horror, Babylon the great horror. 179 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:47,160 So yes, America is in prophecy, but not in a way that we would like it to be. There's 180 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,560 many unifying things. One of them is if you go to D.C., you'll see a—you go to George 181 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:56,200 Washington's monument and you're immediately struck that it doesn't look like George at 182 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:03,200 all, unlike some of the other monuments. And you wonder why is it a 555-foot Egyptian obelisk 183 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:09,880 that honors the sun god? Right, right. Same thing in Vatican. They have one that was moved 184 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:16,000 there in the 13th century by the Pope. It's considered very sacred in Catholicism in terms 185 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:22,000 of, you know, the Vatican. And then you have the same thing over in London, Inc.—Clear 186 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:28,600 Patrick's Needle was moved there in the 1800s. All three of those have that obelisk that I 187 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:36,680 believe is a replica or a liken—at least likening to the Tower of Babel that you referred 188 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:37,680 to earlier. 189 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,880 Mm-hmm. Well, what do you see as the role of the United Nations in all of this, especially 190 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,840 when you're talking about Washington D.C., the Vatican, and London? 191 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:50,340 Well, I mean, the United Nations is, first of all, you know, a joke. I think everybody 192 00:17:50,340 --> 00:17:56,480 believes it's a joke, knows it's a joke. It's a crooked and corrupt organization that 193 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:02,960 tries to lay a found work for one world government. I think it's definitely going to play a part 194 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:08,680 in that, but it's going to be a part. There's probably a lot more dangerous and larger ball 195 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:14,640 of evil than you can assemble in the United Nations. 196 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:26,000 Okay, so to wrap today's podcast up, I want to address the rebuilding of the Jewish temple, 197 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:31,360 about the rising tensions among the nations of the world, how God is reassuring us that 198 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:37,760 he is in complete control, and most importantly, how he is explicitly instructing us to look 199 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,960 to him and him alone in these times. 200 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:46,840 People spoke of the rebuilding of the third temple and shared that much of it is in place 201 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:52,080 for this effort to be successfully accomplished. The Red Heifer is an essential element needed, 202 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:58,320 according to the templeinstitute.org. Their website states, and I quote, In our own times, 203 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:03,320 the commandment of the Red Heifer takes on more and more significance, for without it, 204 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,320 the divine service of the Holy Temple cannot be resumed. 205 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:13,000 There is a spiritual renaissance today in Israel. After almost 2,000 years, Israel is 206 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:18,880 clearly moving towards the time when the Holy Temple on Mount Moriah, the prophesied third 207 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,040 temple, will be rebuilt. 208 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:27,280 More and more Jews are returning to the Torah, to the God of Israel, and the ways of our 209 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:32,280 fathers. And more and more are beginning to realize that the Holy Temple is the only solution 210 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:39,000 for achieving the elusive peace we all desire to see. For the Creator Himself, the Supreme 211 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:44,040 Author of Peace, has stated, The honor of this last house will be greater than that 212 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:50,140 of the first, says Hashem of hosts, and in this place I will grant peace, says Hashem 213 00:19:50,140 --> 00:19:51,400 of hosts. 214 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,160 Haggai 2, verse 9 215 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:59,740 But the sages of Israel enigmatically stated that when the Messiah arrives, He will stand 216 00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:05,200 atop the roof of the Holy Temple and cry out, Humble ones, the time of your redemption has 217 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:12,320 arrived. Thus the temple will be built before the Messiah arrives. 218 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,680 You heard me say to Pastor Phil that I take exception to the building of the third temple 219 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:23,120 and the reinstatement of animal sacrifices, because as a Christian, I know Jesus was the 220 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:30,000 last and final sacrifice which He accomplished on His first coming. But knowing God's people, 221 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:35,680 the Jews, don't recognize the Messiah has already come. And because there are scriptures 222 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:40,240 that speak of a third temple, I can see how a third temple and the animal sacrificial 223 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:46,960 system could be reinstated. But as end time scriptures explain, there is a lot that must 224 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:52,920 take place to put all things in order to fulfill end time prophecies. 225 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:58,760 So this caused me to do some end time refresher research. The Old Testament books that have 226 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:04,560 a lot to say about the end times are mostly Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and Joel. Whereas 227 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,880 many of the New Testament books touch on the events that characterize the end times, the 228 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,840 book of Revelation stands out concerning end times. 229 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:17,280 And in my research, I found a nifty chart that categorizes the end time prophecies from 230 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,760 each of these books. And I offer you the link in the show notes. You'll see that it marks 231 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,600 the events that are required for the third temple. 232 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:32,640 Because of recent world events, all eyes have been on Russia, Ukraine, China, Israel, Iran, 233 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:38,720 and recently Egypt. So I'm going to do my best to put prophetic events in a nutshell 234 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:43,040 while asking you to keep current events in mind as I do. 235 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:48,240 Pastor Phil said the prophetic time clock began ticking in 1948 when Israel became a 236 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:53,440 nation. I understand what he means, but to be clear, prophecy often has more than one 237 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:59,840 fulfillment. Often it has a near, a mid, and a distant fulfillment. The near convinces 238 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:06,640 people the prophecy can occur just as God said. The distant is the complete fulfillment. 239 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:12,760 For example, both Pastor Phil and I see the year of 2020 until this time 2024 as a dress 240 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:18,920 rehearsal as he said for something more important. I've said a foreshadow or an imprint of the 241 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:25,480 last days that includes the tyranny of the beast, the false prophet, and the antichrist, 242 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:31,480 making these years of the near fulfillment to convince people what God said can indeed 243 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:37,960 happen will happen exactly as he is foretold. Pastor Phil has said the world is not falling 244 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,240 apart, it's falling into place. And this truly comes to light when we consider the 245 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,600 crux of the books of Isaiah and Ezekiel. The purpose of the book of Isaiah is to declare 246 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:53,520 the good news that God will glorify himself through a renewed and increased glory of his 247 00:22:53,520 --> 00:23:00,160 people which will attract the nations of the world. A microcosm of Isaiah's message appears 248 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:06,880 in chapter 1 verse 2 through chapter 2 verse 5. The Lord's basic charge against the people 249 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:12,480 is they have received so much blessing and privilege from God and ought to be grateful 250 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,640 children, but instead they have despised the Holy One of Israel, resulting in judgments 251 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:24,920 upon them to bring them to repentance. Isaiah announces God's surprising plan of grace and 252 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:30,960 glory for his rebellious people and indeed for the world by reiterating what God promised 253 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:37,080 through Abram or Abraham. God's judgments were seen in allowing the people to go after 254 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:43,760 false gods and become subservient to pagan powers. God allowing Israel's natural enemies 255 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:50,040 to gain control over them, specifically the militant Assyrian army, was also used by God 256 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:55,840 as a judgment to take his people into exile to Babylon. Prophecies as recorded in the 257 00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:01,480 book of Isaiah are recognized as fulfilled in the near, fulfilled in the mid-time, with 258 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:08,920 some prophecies yet to be fulfilled in a distant future. Ezekiel's message is similar to Isaiah's. 259 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:14,560 His purpose was to first pronounce judgment against Jerusalem and Judah. Then he provided 260 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:20,320 oracles against foreign nations. Just as Judah and Jerusalem are punished for impurity and 261 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:26,220 oppression, so too are the foreign nations. It's significant to understand the geography 262 00:24:26,220 --> 00:24:32,960 of the areas mentioned in Ezekiel. Assyria comprises modern-day Iraq as well as parts 263 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:39,960 of Iran, Kuwait, Syria, and Turkey. Kush or Kush is the region that roughly corresponds 264 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:48,280 to modern Ethiopia. Put or Put refers to the same area as Libya. Persia is modern-day Iran. 265 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:55,080 Lod is now likely part of Turkey, but some place it in northern Africa. Elam in modern 266 00:24:55,080 --> 00:25:03,400 terms borders southern Iraq, and Arab is believed to be Arabia. Then in chapter 38 of Ezekiel, 267 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,960 we learn about Gog in the land of Magog, a term that has been the focus of extensive 268 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:14,520 investigation without any appreciable consensus. Many interpreters understand this passage 269 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:21,240 to be a prophecy concerning an attack against Israel in a more distant future. In rabbinic 270 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:28,060 literature, Gog and Magog are often seen as leaders of a great attack on Israel in a future 271 00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:34,660 Messianic age. Magog is seen as representing the Scythian people who ruled vast regions 272 00:25:34,660 --> 00:25:41,440 of Asia north of the Black Sea and the Chasmian Sea, or what is modern-day Russia, Ukraine, 273 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:47,040 and Kazakhstan, who conquered the people east and south of the Black Sea, specifically modern 274 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:53,640 Georgia, Armenia, and Turkey. In the New Testament, Gog and Magog are names of nations led by 275 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:59,600 Satan to attack Jerusalem at the end of the thousand years. We see this in Revelation 276 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:07,200 chapter 20 verse 8. Also named in Ezekiel 38 are Meshach and Tubal, which are in Asia 277 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,160 minor. I'm sure you find it as intriguing as I do that the nations that have surfaced 278 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:18,000 in our headlines today are the same as those listed in the Old Testament as disrupting 279 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:24,680 nations of the end times. Then in Ezekiel chapter 40, we learn of Ezekiel's vision of 280 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:30,600 the new temple. Some interpreters understand Ezekiel's vision of restoration as a prophecy 281 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,740 that will be fulfilled literally, with a rebuilt temple and Israel dwelling in the land according 282 00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:41,640 to its tribes, a future millennial kingdom on earth. Many who hold this position believe 283 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:47,000 that literal animal sacrifices will be offered, but that in the future millennial kingdom, 284 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,140 they will function as reminders of the complete and sufficient death of Christ, a function 285 00:26:52,140 --> 00:26:58,680 different from what they had in the Old Testament. Others see this vision of a new temple and 286 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,800 a renewal of the land of Israel as an extended detailed metaphor predicting the presence 287 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:10,880 of God among his people in the new covenant age, that is, God's presence in the church. 288 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,800 Another view is that the vision predicts God's presence among his people in the new heavens 289 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:21,600 and new earth, not as physical details that will be literally fulfilled, but as symbolic 290 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:27,300 indications of the great blessings of that future age. And finally, it's possible that 291 00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:32,960 there are both literal and symbolic elements to this vision. Almost all interpreters agree 292 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:39,360 that Ezekiel chapters 40 through 48 is one of the most difficult passages in Scripture. 293 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:45,240 There are many things we can only do our best to study to understand and then hold loosely 294 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,120 and just simply wait to see how God will fulfill his word with the unrelenting expectation 295 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:57,200 that he absolutely will. According to Isaiah and Ezekiel, all nations of the world are 296 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:02,880 taken into account because God will glorify himself through the renewed and increased 297 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:09,680 glory of his people by way of God's judgment, which will attract the nations. And this is 298 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,880 exactly what I believe we've been living through since early 2020. Not that we're living in 299 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:20,240 the last judgment or the last of the last days, but a time of judgment to realign the 300 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:26,400 world events according to God's plan and to renew the minds and hearts of the people all 301 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:33,560 over the world as to the certain existence of God and that he is who he says he is. With 302 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:39,000 next week's podcast, I'll pick up my interview with Pastor Phil specific to China in biblical 303 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:45,680 prophecy. But we have to understand it's not just one nation we need to keep our eyes on, 304 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,560 but a conglomerate of nations that are making and breaking alliances, calling for wars and 305 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:56,360 calling for peace all at the same time. We have to understand this is of the enemy to 306 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:03,080 cause confusion and chaos and to wear us down so we will give up to their tyranny. We must 307 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:09,520 not listen to the enemy, but to what God says both in his written word and in his prophetic 308 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:15,480 word. So to be as timely as possible, I want to bring your attention to what God recently 309 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:21,080 said through Hank Kuhneman. He spoke at Oasis Church with the word specific in part for 310 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:26,720 Tim Sheets and his daughter Rebecca, but as Tim points out, this word is for the corporate 311 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:33,560 church. Tim's brother Dutch shared the prophecy on his program, Give Him 15, and it is exceedingly 312 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:40,680 encouraging because of this word. Tim Sheets has called for a fast beginning today, May 313 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:47,760 29, 2024, to last for one week. I hope you will join in this effort of praying and fasting 314 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:55,360 to see God miraculously intervene in our lives. By all means, use the link in the show notes 315 00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:01,760 to hear the prophecy for yourself. God is stern in instructing his people to listen 316 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:08,440 to his voice in this hour and to look for his intervention at this time. He has promised 317 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:16,160 us miracles, signs, wonders, the return of prodigals, and a great and mighty revival. 318 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:22,280 I've said before, we are living in both the greatest and the most terrible times the world 319 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:29,360 has ever known. With this backdrop of both occurring simultaneously, it is even more 320 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:37,080 crucial that each one of us make a clear and public declaration with who and what we want 321 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:44,320 to be aligned. 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