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I'm Pam Christian, the host of this weekly podcast where I help us explore current events
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My very special guest again today is Barry Wunsch, known as the Canadian Hammer, who
brings us his wisdom and insight as a prophet of God about these very days we're living
in and, in fact, the content of the interview is so compelling that I decided to make it
a three-part interview.
So if you missed last week's program, which was part one with Barry, please look up show
number 181, titled From Stalemate to Checkmate, and be sure to return next week when I will
post the final of the three-part interview with Barry.
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warnings and sage advice on what we need to do to be prepared for what God is certain
to do.
Here's part two of my interview with Barry.
We're coming into a moment in history where we're going to see a biblical event come
and it's going to take us out of stalemate to checkmate.
Wow.
Where the king makes a move and we're going to see things return in his purposes, you
know, in very short order.
You say in very short order, Barry.
Do you mean that this is something that's eminent?
We will see God intervene in the affairs of humanity very, very soon.
Yeah, Pam, I mean, I'm seeing it.
You know, we're getting, you know, again, in the natural, we're getting reports back
of things that we've seen, that we've prophesied that are literally on the map.
You know, there's a war room that, you know, there are plans and purposes that God Almighty
has put men and women in place that are working behind the scenes, collaborating, you know,
as one thing is brought down to see the standing up and the rebirthing of within our nations
on every mountain, on every mountain of influence.
And so, you know, we know that it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.
And there will be, you know, from what I've seen prophetically and again, some of the
things that we're getting, you know, intel, I mean, the phone calls I get, Pam, just,
you know, it just amazes me every day at, you know, some of the things that are confirmed
back through authorities.
And so there is, you know, there is what is going to look like a vacuum, I think, that
will come and some of these things shake down.
But God is positioning his ecclesia and he's raising up a righteous revolution of leaders.
And I'm talking governmental, I'm not talking politics here, I'm talking governmental.
And there is a difference, governmental ones that are called by his name to stand and operate
in the offices that he's called them to, to take back our nations.
Wow.
You know, I've sensed in my own spirit and I've even shared with my audience that I thought
that the last quarter of this year, 2023, we would really see an acceleration of events.
And so far that's been true.
Now I'm talking to you on November 29th.
This will be a couple of weeks before the people actually hear it.
But I'm sensing that by the end of 2023, sometime toward the end of December, we will see clearly
some evidence of God radically at work and that come January we will actually have reasons
to celebrate.
That doesn't mean everything's resolved, but we will see the trend toward the resolution.
Would you agree with that?
Yeah, you know, I do see that, you know, and you know, there, and even though publicly
you may not be seeing things in the headlines, I can assure you and I can assure the listeners
that there is much more happening in real time right now behind the scenes than anyone
is aware.
And, and I would concur that there are so many moving parts to some of these things.
And when you're dealing with the nations and when you're looking at the global impact of
what's unfolding, it is, you know, it's complicated.
It's not going to just happen in 10 minutes, but, but there are things that are literally,
you know, I think even within the next few weeks, as you say, we're going to see evidence
showing up.
And in fact, there are nations that are already seeing some of these things show up on their
doorstep.
Yes.
And the election with New Zealand and in Argentina, those are both very encouraging.
Very much, very much.
And, you know, you look at nations like Guatemala, you know, Turkey, you know, there, there are
some of these that are already, you know, in, in process of, you know, these, these
things kind of coming to fruition.
And so I've got great expectation, but there is still a shaking happening and there will
be an account to be paid by some of these evil demonic regimes that have postured themselves
that are fighting tooth and nail with everything they've got to stop what's coming, but there
will be nothing.
There's absolutely, you know, whatever they throw at this, there will be nothing that
is going to stop what's coming.
There's so much reassurance.
And then in fact, I was just talking to my daughter the other day, she's, she's an adult
and we were talking about what's going on in the world.
And I said, one of the things I love the most about Jesus, about God is that he's immutable.
He cannot change.
Yeah.
So we can count on him unique to anyone else.
And I just take a great deal of comfort in that.
Yeah.
And, you know, and he's calling us higher, you know, he's calling, he's, he's calling
his people, he's calling us higher.
And you know, I think that with where we're going and what we're called the steward, you
know, I don't think we're going to be getting away with the things that people used to get
away with.
You know, he's calling us to account.
And you know, I just, I have a feeling that, you know, we're only kind of, you know, seeing
the tip of the iceberg here as God comes and he starts to, to deal with his, you know,
those ones that he's called in leadership, even in the church, in areas of compromise,
areas where they've maybe used, you know, things to build their own kingdoms or, or,
you know, financially in different ways that have been maybe a bit unhealthy and have gotten
off track.
I think God is doing a, I want to call it a reset, but he's bringing an account to these
places and bringing men's hearts back to the, the foundations that he's called them to.
And you know, we found that even, you know, there's leaders that, you know, I mean, well,
I mean, in every sector and they'll call themselves a Christian if they say, God bless America
or God bless Canada or, or God bless you.
You know, they think that, you know, they're, they're, they're Christians without really
coming to a knowing relationship with God, without really coming, you know, to a surrendered
life in him, you know, getting baptized, you know, some of the basics of the faith, you
know, making a, making a, making that declaration in their life that of surrender to him and
then living a life that, you know, is a little narrow road because as we step into the kingdom,
it does to get, it is a little bit more of a narrow road.
And so I believe that we're seeing God pressing into leaders, political and otherwise, where
he's drawing them onto them, unto himself so that they can fulfill the fullness of their
destiny because once he's touched you, once he's filled you with Holy Spirit, I mean,
things go to a whole other level.
Absolutely.
So, Barry, what would you say, especially to the leadership beginning with the church
because of 1 Peter 4 17 leadership in the church and leadership in governments, what
would you say they really need to be doing right now?
Well, you talked about the door when we started this program.
The door is in the floor.
So in other words, when you go low, when you take a position in humility, when you take
a position of surrender, when you kind of let go of the rates and you're a surrender
to the father and his purposes, wow.
Now that's a place that he'll blow on because as long as we have something in our hand,
we will often trust in that.
And many of us, you know, whether I've gone through fire in a train wreck or two, you
know, God has used those things to get those things out of our hands that are not of him.
And so, you know, I think it's wave the white flag of surrender and really, Lord, lay it
on the altar and reevaluate those.
Do that personal inventory in your heart.
Lord, are we okay?
Deal with those hurts, deal with those offenses, deal with those places of pain because the
Lord, he is gracious and fantastic to heal.
And I think the sooner we step into those things, the quicker he does.
And yet we will resist it in our pain day after day.
And so my word is the father loves us just with a ravenous love.
And he goes after us to take us to our place.
And so I think this is what he's doing.
And we're coming into the greatest revival that we've seen ever internationally, globally.
And he does that one heart at a time.
So I hear you saying that this is a great time, especially for people who find themselves
in positions of leadership and influence to do a soul audit and get themselves right before
the Lord, repent where needed and know that God will indeed forgive them and set them
back on the right path.
Yeah.
I'm going to say go through the spiritual car wash, pull out the mat, pull out the seat,
you know, open up the trunk, get everything there.
And you know, sometimes we need a little help to do that.
And there are those that are gifted in these areas that walk in love and healing and deliverance
and inner healing and all of that.
And I think that's really important right now for everyone to really examine those places.
And then what happens, the enemy is really just a good lawyer and he'll use any little
area that he can as an open door to gain access for us and control us and put the boots to
us.
And so he can close those doors before the father.
You know, I mean, he's paid it all, he's done it all.
But we have our part to do too.
Right.
Barry, what would you say to those Christians that are basically hunkering down in fear
and wanting Jesus to just rescue us, the people that are following what I call exitology?
Right.
Well, you know, Pam, the way I see it, the Lord has never run away from a fight in his
life, nor has he ever lost one.
And I think it has been the greatest deception to immobilize the church thinking that they're
going to be snapped out of here because it's basically rendered them dysfunctioning where
they haven't been operating and then they haven't been standing and they've been passive
in their voice.
And Nehemiah in his day, you know, I mean, when they were rebuilding the walls, he went
in repentance for his forefathers, forgive us, you know, in these places.
And he went in repentance not only for himself, but for his generations.
And I'm going to say for Canada and America, we need to look at those places where we've
been passive, where we have allowed the pedophile to come in, where we haven't stood against
some of these things, where we've, you know, been silent as Christians, nice Christians.
And I'm not saying they have to be bad, you know, nasty to be doing this, but where we've
abdicated our God-given positions to stand to disciple a nation because we're actually
called to disciple nations, not just a little church and not just a little, you know, denomination.
He's actually called us as he commissioned us to basically disciple the nations.
And so this is where he's taking us out of the church, into the public square, onto the
seven mountains so that we can do just that.
And that means we're going to be here for a while.
And we've got to kind of figure out what our role is and what we're called to and step
into it with boldness.
I completely agree with that.
And Barry, so far, everything I'm hearing from you is bearing witness with my spirit
and with the other trusted prophets that I listen to and certainly the written word of
God and it's reassuring.
And I hope that all of this is also very much reassuring the listeners.
As we move forward, we're approaching the end of 2023.
We know we're in the Hebrew year of 5784, which is a new year that began in September,
but we now are entering a new year for the Gregorian calendar.
What do you see or hear from the Lord that we should be anticipating for 2024?
I think 2024 is going to be a tremendously transitional year.
And I actually think that we're coming into Isaiah 60.
I think we're coming in where we're going to see this light shine as we surrender and
come into that place with the Father, that we're going to see things flipped over by
His grace that in no way we could have ever done by ourselves.
He is about to move in our nations and He is, I tell you, He is moving in our nations
where He is flipping things.
He can save a nation in a day.
And I think we're all going to be very surprised by some of the things that we're going to
see, what is yet to be exposed.
And furthermore, who and what God has got in place to bring His kingdom forth and see
really like a rebirthing of our nations in Him, in the kingdom.
I know I've tried to convey to my listeners the importance of us partnering with God that,
yes, God can do anything He wants.
He can zap anything into existence anytime He wants, but most often He chooses to work
through His people.
Can you expand on that?
Yes.
I mean, I look at it this way.
We are all His.
I mean, He is in each one of us.
And every gift, everything that is within us, since He knew us before the beginning
of time, each and every gift is important.
And I always say, if you look at a combine, out in the farmers, a combine, every part
of that combine is important to bring in the harvest.
And which bearing are you not going to grease?
You have one bearing go out, it'll bring that whole combine to a stop and it'll impede
the harvest that it's called the pullion.
And so when I look and I see so many of God's people still really unsure of where they're
called to and what they're to do, it's almost like there's an identity crisis because so
many Christians have been, if you're coming to the church and it's so often been, you
see the works kind of part where a lot of times it's been driven by works and it's
not.
I mean, we're saved by grace, we're called by grace and we function by grace.
So as we get our identity as beloved sons and daughters figured out that out of that
place of a son and a daughter, we began to just be who we are and function just as we
are.
But now that's something else because it's not out of a performance based thing.
It's not about trying to work our way into heaven.
This is just being the expression that God has created us to be.
And so we're out meeting after meeting and we find people that have kind of gotten stuck
in religion without that personal relationship with God.
And that only come as we spend time with him, as we carve out those moments in our day in
prayer, in seeking him that really starts to unfold.
And then as we do that, he will not deny that and he'll come and he'll ignite places in
us we didn't even know existed.
Right.
That's how I found myself doing everything I've ever done for the kingdom of God, teaching
Bible and getting on radio and writing books.
I never aspired to that myself.
They were things that the Lord led me to that I could not refrain from doing.
I was compelled in a very good way by the Lord to take action using the gifts and talents
he's given me.
And one of the things I've seen as a trend in the church in modern days has been for
the leadership of the churches to help people identify their gifts and talents through different
assessment tests so that they can use those gifts and talents serving within the four
walls of the church.
But that's not what we're coming into with 2024.
No.
We're called to the public square.
And Pam, I tell you, we're in meetings.
And I mean, I'm going to say that they may look like a political meeting on the outside
sometimes.
But honestly, we're going into these meetings talking about God as, you know, basically
one people, one blood, one nation under God.
And we're talking about the ecclesia and, you know what, the sacred and the secular,
there's been a wall built between them.
And we're kicking that down because God is not an indifferent bystander.
And so when we go and we start to talk about God's sovereignty and how he is putting,
knocking this wall down before the sacred and the secular, Pam, we're in meetings where
the Holy Spirit shows up.
I start shaking a few hands and giving people a hug or two and the Holy Spirit releases
words of knowledge.
He releases his spirit.
People are getting healed.
People are getting delivered, laying on the floor, laid out by the Holy Spirit in these
meetings in the public square.
You know, people driving four hours to come to a meeting because they hear something's
going on.
And this is what God shows up and he shows off when we're bold enough and we're brave
enough.
Like, we'll move at the speed of our obedience with him.
And he is not holding back.
Barry's prophecies about the Lord shaking everything that can be shaken are echoed by
many other trusted modern-day prophets.
And this is so that God can root out the deep-seated evil.
And true to 2 Peter 417, the shaking unto judgment begins with the Church, begins with
the house of the Lord.
Barry's advice for us to humble ourselves and live lives in complete surrender to God
is sage.
It is a narrow way.
And I, for one, would much rather humble myself before God than to have God humble me before
men.
I happened to have transcribed Barry's prophecy that was given in January 2021.
And it is remarkable what he said then given what we are experiencing today.
Listen to just the first paragraph.
Quote, fasten your seatbelts.
This is going to be the ride of your life.
I have begun to dismantle some of the most evil structures that have ever existed.
Many have said that it cannot be done.
They say they're too powerful.
They say it will never change.
They say it does not matter the color of the team.
They're all the same.
Corrupt, greedy, vile, and immoral.
It is for this reason that I am dismantling things as you've known them.
I tell you that I will not relent and I will not stop until everything that can be shaken
will be shaken.
The deep state that has ruled over the United States of America and every other nation around
the world shall be dealt with swiftly.
The ties to the ancient orders, the occult, fake gods, and false religions shall be exposed
for all to see and understand.
And furthermore, I shall dismantle and destroy these at the sound of my name.
Let it be known on this day that I am coming to deal with these evil leaders once and for
all.
For far too long they have oppressed and controlled my people.
I'm dismantling their alliances, their power structures, and their regional strongholds
from New York to California.
You will see my hand at work."
End quote.
Praise God for His graciousness to forewarn us through His obedient prophets.
If you would like to read the entire prophecy from 2021, use the link in the show notes
to download the PDF.
In light of the new year of 2024, Barry's pastoral suggestion for each of us to do a
personal heart audit, or you might call it a soul audit, is timely.
The way we position ourselves at the start of the year will be an important determinant
for how we will experience the rest of the year.
God is offering deliverance, inner healing, and physical healing, as Barry stated, and
other trusted prophets have revealed, we can and should have faith to believe for complete
renewals of our body, mind, and soul.
One of my more popular blogs is about being healed from soul wounds.
If you or someone you love are in need of this, be sure to use the link in my show notes
to read that blog.
I loved the statement Barry made, which was, we will move with the speed of our obedience
to God.
God already offers us everything we need to live in complete victory over all the schemes
and plans of the enemy.
Our belief or faith and obedience are the only two issues that stand in our way.
I truly want you to have everything God offers you, so I ask you to understand the major
significance of these times and this year of 2024.
Barry referred to 2024 as a transitional year with specific reference to Isaiah 60.
So for your benefit, I ask you to read Isaiah 60, seeking to have great depths of understanding
that as a Christian, we are adopted into God's family, meaning we share in the heritage and
inheritance of Israel.
In this time of transition into the New Year, let's do much like the Jewish people do before
their New Year, which is to search our hearts before the Lord, let him reveal anything in
us that would prevent us from receiving all he wants to give us so that not only do we
live in the complete victory Christ died to give us, but we can help others understand
the vital importance of getting their lives right before God through faith in Jesus Christ.
I sincerely hope my podcasts are helping you better live the abundant life God wants for
his children and that in 2024 you will indeed experience a very happy New Year for you and
your family.
Next week I'll present part three of my interview with Prophet Barry Wunsch, known as the Canadian
Hammer.
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