Hey everyone, you're listening to the Curt Landry podcast where we're going to help you
discover your kingdom destiny.
My name is Darrell and sitting right beside me, it's his show, it's Rabbi Curt Landry.
And in this episode, we're going to be discussing the topic of artificial intelligence, better
known as AI.
We're going to break down how this new technology will impact the spreading of the gospel.
But before we jump into this episode and much more, Rabbi, how's it been going, man?
Hey listen, I'm doing really good.
I'm excited about what's happening in the world.
There's a lot of things shifting, but I think that if I could kind of, where I'm at, I'm
looking for the opportunity in the chaos.
Because anytime there's this much shaking, some good things are going to shake loose.
And I want to encourage people to have that attitude.
And one of the things that, you know, I'm real excited about this subject today talking
about AI, artificial intelligence.
Listen, I've been praying about this for about three years and actually started to kind of
on my own researching it.
And so I'm just excited about this subject.
And I know I've got, anyway, I'm just really pumped about the opportunities here.
Anytime we can spread the gospel through any format, to me, that's a good thing.
You know, you're really, about salvation, here's the thing.
If you can just, you know, that there's actually over one billion people, this isn't my stats,
this is off, I think, Barnum, one billion people in the world have never heard the gospel.
Never.
And what people have to understand is, with all this technology and what we have, we have
a responsibility at least give them an opportunity here at Make a Choice.
You know, what a sad thing that someone goes to hell.
I mean, you have to believe in heaven and hell, and I do.
And many years ago, I actually, my pre-, my late teens and my unsaved days, I actually
had an overdose on LSD.
And when I overdosed on the LSD, I actually had an experience where I went to hell and
had a very horrible experience with Satan and everything, and you would say, well, that's
horrible, but to be honest with you, you know, what the enemy meant for bad, the Lord turned
to good.
One of my motivations to share the gospel with as many people and any, listen, I'll
go anywhere and share the gospel.
And one of the reasons is because that experience, it was so terrifying.
I can just say this, it was almost like I was on the verge of like a nervous breakdown
and losing my mind.
I was so tormented in this overdose atmosphere of, it felt like I physically was in hell
and I was facing Satan and he said he was gonna kill me.
And my wife wasn't saved at the time.
She didn't know this was happening to me with Christy.
She prayed to God.
She actually, at that time, unsaved people, she prayed, and I believe her prayer was heard,
pulled me out, and obviously I survived it, but I've never forgotten.
And so to me, when I look at statistics like that, over a billion people have never heard
the gospel, if we have an opportunity to reach them so that they don't go to hell, to me,
that's probably the ultimate responsibility of a Christian is to share that reality because
I can tell you that my hell experience was, you wouldn't wish it upon your worst enemy.
So episode five, this is gonna be the first episode of the Curt Landry podcast that we're
bringing in a special guest and this one individual is just incredible in the sense from the marketing
side but from the AI side.
He's got a big background in it.
His name is Tucker Dunleavy and he's Curt Landry Ministry Senior Director of Digital
and Creative Marketing and super blessed to have Tucker on our team but definitely wanted
to bring him in to kind of break down his perspective on coming on board for the ministry
and what we can use technology and how we can spread the gospel.
But before we bring him in, Rabbi, at this point leading into the AI discussion, it's
been hot for the past couple years, right?
I guess simply ask what point, if it was prophetically or is it a moment of vision, a dream, what
led you to this point of saying, okay, I feel like that CLM's gonna take on AI and we're
gonna take it to the next level to spread the gospel?
Okay, one of the reasons I like the Curt Landry podcast, I get to be very transparent.
So I'm just gonna share my experience.
So roughly about three years ago, maybe a little bit longer, I was looking at the AI
and listen, I'm an optimistic person.
I always look at things and maybe too optimistic sometimes.
But anyway, I was looking at it and I was having a conversation with some other Christian
leaders and I said, you know what, this AI, I think I'm gonna do something with AI.
And when I did, basically, there was a real negative response.
Oh my gosh, this is the antichrist.
I can't believe you're gonna do it.
And I had some people pretty close to me almost like on the rebuking stage, like telling,
you can't do this.
This is the devil, you're this.
And I'm going, okay, well, maybe it is.
And so I said, okay, I'm gonna back off.
I literally told them, I said, okay, I'm not gonna do this right now, but I am gonna research
it.
And anyway, my son-in-law and I, Paul, didn't tell anybody, but we thought, okay, we're
gonna research this.
And when I'm talking about research, I'm talking about attorneys and people like Tucker you're
gonna talk about.
And I mean, we went deep into this thing.
But before I did that, what I did is I went to the Lord and I prayed and I said, Lord,
tell me.
I said, man, my brothers are like stoning me out here with this thing.
I lost my mind.
And I literally said that in my prayer.
And what the Lord told me prophetically was he said, it's a rock.
I said, okay, it's a rock.
What do you mean?
He said, it's just a rock.
He said, it's a rock.
You can either take a rock and kill your brother Abel.
You can kill Abel.
Cain can kill Abel with a rock.
Or you can be King David and use the rock to kill the Goliath.
And he says, it's all the intention of the heart.
So I said, all right, I get it.
It's the heart.
So my heart is to preach the gospel, bring the good news to places I can't get to.
And AI has a lot of features and abilities to be able to do that.
So I really sense that's when we started to research it.
We moved for almost two years.
And then obviously we're blessed to find Tucker and he came into our lives.
And here he is, a Christian, and also has AI experience.
And we have another gentleman named Stefan and he has AI experience.
And so anytime you do something, now listen, most of my Christian brothers that were close
to me now that I have shared with them, and then, Darrell, I shared with them me speaking
Espanol.
And they looked at that from AI.
It's like, okay, so in the three year period, I had everyone kind of against me and now
everyone's going go, Kurt, go.
This is great.
But one of the things people don't realize is that in order to have proof of concept
and with technologies that are pioneering, I don't care what it is, it just takes time
to be able to wrestle the thing to the ground to where you can function.
And we're just now getting there.
But I think it's one of the greatest tools to be able to spread the gospel and save people
from going to hell that ever.
I mean, I think it's great.
We want to kind of share that on this podcast with people because, man, it's something obviously
that can be used for evil, but it's also something that can be used for good.
I think it has to do with the heart and what you put in the funnel.
Podcast at curtlandry.com.
If you have questions, any thoughts that you want to share with us, hopefully we get a
ton, Rabbi.
I mean, it's been trickling in.
But again, if you have anything, make sure you just put the title and the subject line
so we know what it's about and so we can get it to Rabbi and we can just analyze it and
decide what to do with it.
But again, it's podcast at curtlandry.com.
And Rabbi, I think you mentioning Curt Landry in Espanol is a good segue to bring in our
guy Tucker.
Nathan, go ahead and pod Tucker in for us.
Tucker.
Hey, Darrell.
Rabbi, thanks for having me.
Yeah.
It's so great to have you.
I mean, listen, I know you've only been with us a short while, but you're such a blessing
and such a great...
I wish you were here on campus with us, but I know that you're not.
But it's just, your presence and your work is so appreciated.
And Kristi and I just love having you in our family.
Well, thanks, Rabbi.
I really appreciate that.
And yeah, it feels like a lot longer.
I think I've been here about going on half a year now.
We've been moving quickly and I really have enjoyed working with the team here, Darrell
and everyone on the media and marketing departments.
It's been quite the experience.
Learning a lot and I'm really happy to be here today to talk about AI and how we can
use that technology to reach new hearts with an advanced, the kingdom.
But also just to get your perspective, which is unique to me.
So before jumping into that, I am in New England.
We're getting a lot of snow today.
The kids actually have another snow day.
How's the weather looking like over there in Oklahoma?
Yeah, it's the same thing here.
We've got snow and ice and low temperatures.
The difference here is it won't last long.
Like next week, it could be like 40 or 50 degrees.
But yeah, we're in, we've been at the school.
We have a school here at House of David coming in Academy and the kids are home because we
don't want people out on the roads.
But it's really, it's not too bad.
Good, good.
Yeah.
Well, anyway, if we want to jump into AI, I'm really excited.
I have kind of a list of questions for you and then I'd love to just give my input and
thoughts on this whole topic.
I think, you know, to start, Darrell, thanks for the introduction, by the way, man.
Really nice.
Just a little background.
So yeah, I consider myself a tech and AI enthusiast.
Just a nice rephrasing of the term geek.
And like many in the modern world, I've spent my entire life, my adult career working behind
a screen.
So it's something that I've sort of grown up with and I've become very familiar with
over the years.
Yeah, before before coming to the ministry, before coming to Curt Landry Ministries, I
was actually working as the creative director for an AI company based in New Zealand that
had headquarters just out of New York City.
So just a little background.
I worked on a subset of generative AI, which is called Natural Language Generation, or
NLG, and I'll stop with the acronyms after that because I can already tell that everyone's
eyes are glossing over.
But essentially, our AI system would analyze your data and then provide written summaries
or reports or insights in English, natural language.
So that's my background.
And I worked there for about six years before coming to the ministry.
So a big pivot here in my career and my path, one that I felt really called to and I think,
I mean, that final, as they would say, nail in that coffin was I was weighing my options.
And you know, one of the first things that came up was how, Rabbi, you were considering
bringing in this artificial intelligence into the church and into the ministry.
And that, of course, coming from my background, just resonated on such a level with me.
And it was something that was so unfamiliar as someone who has been in the process of
rediscovering and rededicating his life to God and to Scripture and to really deepening
that relationship.
It was like a no brainer situation when I heard that, that you were looking at bringing
in AI because it's just, it's something, it's not an industry that we were certainly looking
at serving.
It's not something that I think is, I think it's pretty divisive still across the board.
And so I just love, you know, first and foremost, I love that Curt Landry Ministries is open
and willing to leverage this technology in a way that will reach hearts and expand those,
you know, advance that kingdom of God and his message to these nations through whatever
means possible.
I love that take.
I love that you're saying, hey, this is a neutral technology.
It's something that can be used for good or for bad.
And if it's there and available, then we are going to leverage it and we are going to use
it.
So I think that's just a great position to take.
Yeah.
Special guest, Tucker Dunleavy, Senior Director of Digital and Creative Marketing here at
Curt Landry Ministries.
First guest on the Curt Landry Podcast and we're talking about artificial intelligence,
looking at the impact of spreading the gospel.
I guess a question to both of y'all.
So when you look at AI and you look at traditional spreading the gospel rabbi, right?
And where those two things actually meet, because we're at a really unique spot.
And Tucker, I'd love for you to break down and really tell the listeners more about Curt
Landry in Espanol.
But where do those two things really meet?
If it's in the middle, if it's on one end or the other, but like, where are we trying
to go in general with that?
Because a lot of the listeners are going to want to know, okay, rabbi, you intro'd it.
Yeah, they've been listening the past couple years, but now a brand new YouTube channel,
it's doing really well and is reaching people internationally.
Where are we going to go with this?
Okay.
So let's bring the scripture in.
And this was the scripture that, listen, I had Matthew 24, you know, as somebody who
ministers in Israel with Jewish people and understanding the connection to blessing Israel
and the end times prophetic fulfillment of things in Israel, Matthew 24, red letter Jesus
says verse 14, and this gospel of the kingdom.
And that in itself is loaded because we don't just preach like some denominational gospel
for 33 years now, this is my 33rd year, but the gospel of the kingdom, and we've always
preached kingdom, and it says, will be preached.
So Jesus says, Jesus is prophesying here, He says, it will be preached in all the world
as it is written to all nations, and then the end will come.
So everyone's wanting the rapture, people wanting the Lord to come, but the key is this
gospel of the kingdom, the real gospel needs to be preached to all the nations, then the
end will come.
So I shared earlier in the podcast that, you know, according to statistics, over 1 billion
people have not heard the gospel.
So that's kind of my foundation is, listen, I understand the ministry of Is to the Jew
First.
We published my book, Reclaiming Our Forgotten Heritage in Hebrew.
Man, you talking about some pushback on that.
In fact, the pushback even got us on to the Jerusalem Post here recently.
And so I was laughing with the kids, with Paul and Megan, I said, we finally made it
to the Jerusalem Post.
But of course, it was a negative article about having our book in Hebrew and soldiers getting
it, loving the book and the testimony of it.
But anytime you do something where you're actually fulfilling Matthew 24, 14, you're
preaching the gospel to all the nations.
You know, the scripture is very clear that the inheritance, I'm just going to be kind
of theologically here, you have to understand the real inheritance for a Christian is not
material goods and things, although he fulfills his covenant by providing those things.
But the real riches is the nations.
And so it's the ethnos, it's the people of the earth.
So the fact that to me, time is short, and the only way for us to get to the nations
of the earth is with AI.
And so it's here, we're going to harness it, and we'll try to keep it as pure and holy
as we can with the content that flows in.
We'll guard the content that's there.
But man, what an accelerator of content to preach the gospel to those who are lost.
So I answered the question a long way with the scripture.
There's more scriptures than that.
But anyway, I feel as a spiritual father, I have a mandate to share the good news.
Rabbi, in a few moments, I really want you to jump into the month of Shavuot and how
that really plays biblically into what we're doing here, especially with Kurt Landry in
Espanol.
But Tucker, let's bring you back in on this.
So Rabbi broke down the biblical side of spreading the gospel and looking at AI and using it.
Where do you sit, kind of in the middle of the digital marketing side, also with the
content and using these tools to really reach more souls?
So yeah, I mean, I think first off, all press is good press.
That's a marketing thing.
I stand by that.
So hey, even if it wasn't a great article, hey, you made it into the paper.
Okay, so let's celebrate that.
Amen, right?
So now, and it's true to a point, especially in 2024 now, I mean, it's just divisive marketing
everywhere.
So anyway, speaking specifically to AI, so I think that these tools at our disposal,
the way I look at it, and my take is, even as someone who's worked in this field for
a long time, is this, having seen what's coming and what's been built so far and just being
very close to the subject, there's a lot of pushback and hesitancy from a lot of different
people, and especially those in church and religion and the ministry.
Some of it is fear out of being replaced.
Some of it is, you know, people are going to, AI is going to take jobs, right?
That's like the age old tale.
Some of it is hesitancy around whether or not it goes against what God's teachings or
if it's at its root, something that is, you know, evil or should not be explored by the
church.
Now, I look at AI as, regardless of the intent behind the technology, it's, as we know, especially
after last year with OpenAI releasing chat GPT and then generative AI becomes this like
household term, it's here to stay.
So my take has always been, if the technology exists and it's not going away, it's not a
fluke, it's not just a phase, it's not a fad, and that's been, I think, proven over the
past year especially, then how can we use that technology?
You know, it's really not a question of how, even, I mean, we have to look at how, but
it's really a question of, you know, it's not a question of how, it's really more a question
of when we can begin implementing so we don't fall behind the curve.
And I know that sounds, you know, for the industry we're in, for what we're doing here
as a ministry, it's a unique vantage point, it's a unique perspective, but I think it
still applies even from a marketing perspective to some degree that we need to stay, at least
keep pace with these technologies to sort of keep up with whether it be, you know, bad
actors that are trying to spread negative messages, for example.
I think that what we're doing here is trying to spread that positivity through AI and yes,
we can reach new languages.
Curt Landry and Espanol is a great example of that, right?
We're seeing new subscribers come in all because all we did was use an AI tool that uses a
natural language processor.
It hears what you're saying, Rabbi, it translates that to Spanish in your own voice and then,
you know, produces that video.
And because of that, now we're reaching new people with the message.
It's a positive message.
It's a good message.
And I think that, so this long-winded answer is to say it's a tool that I think we really
need to harness regardless of the take because it's here to stay and those that don't adopt
it and I talk, I mean, I've said this to artists, to musicians, all these people that are very
scared that they're losing jobs.
It's not about replacing.
It's really just about augmenting their ability and changing their workflow.
And this has been done.
I mean, every revolution in, especially in America and in the world that's happened,
whether it be the industrial or whatever, there's always been a shift in workforce to
sort of a new tech, to support a new technology, a new way of life, a new, you know, engineering
process.
So it's not, this is not like the first time that there's been a pivotal shift in a workforce.
And I think that we, those that embrace it to an extent will continue to flourish in
the future.
So that's my take on AI in general.
I think we have to use it to remain competitive and just relevant in the world.
So Tucker, Tucker, one thing I want to throw into this conversation and get you to speak
on and then you and Rabbi go back and forth on it.
But from an accuracy standpoint, I mean, we've got people on our staff that speak Spanish,
they're fluent.
And we've sent this to a lot of people before we went to market with it, right?
That the accuracy in the teaching, in the message, in the tone is accurate to what Rabbi
is saying in English.
So that's one thing I really wanted to throw this in there because the different dialects
and just where this content is going, I don't want people to think that we're just dubbing
something here, right?
It is really groundbreaking type of technology and the translation is almost a hundred percent
accurate, right?
I mean, there's always a little bit depending where you're actually from and what dialect,
I like speak to the accuracy of the AI for the Curt Landry in Espanol Channel.
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Yeah, I mean, it's really incredible.
And something I always like to tell people is because everyone's so blown away by these
technologies like this.
So that's a natural language processor.
It's analyzing the actual sound waves from Rabbi's voice and then it's able to replicate
his voice based on that sort of learning those what those sound waves look like.
And it's a really interesting technology because it feels to us like it's mastered.
I would say it's accuracy.
I mean, I'm not fluent.
I don't speak Spanish.
But in terms of just the feedback we've received and what I've seen for those systems is it's
incredibly accurate.
And what I love to say to people is just remember if you're blown away now, AI is today at the
least powerful.
It's at the worst state that it will ever be in.
So if you're blown away now, and that's why again it leads back into this keeping pace
and using this tool for leveraging this tool as best we can because if everyone is so blown
away, I mean, this is just getting started.
And that is both extremely exciting and incredibly scary.
I can see why people are nervous because to your point, it is incredibly accurate.
His flow, the pacing, the tonality is perfect.
So what if I as a bad actor come in and say, hey, I'm just going to take a video clip of
Rabbi and throw it into Hey Gen or another provider and create my own.
And so that's where we're seeing some of those bad actors already crop up.
A lot of celebrities have filed a lot of cease and desists against specific channels that
are not them, Mr. Beast.
I mean, some of the biggest creators out there are now being sort of attacked in a way their
identity is being really attacked with these sort of fakes that have cropped up, these
deep AI deep fakes is probably a term you've heard before.
So it's exciting.
It's incredibly accurate, which is again, just a little daunting as well as we kind
of move into this uncharted territory.
So Rabbi, I guess me and Tucker have really spoken on, I guess in that breath on the accuracy
and just how much testing we did to make sure that this is the best that we could put out
and that it's right.
What was the reaction that you got from anybody that you share this with?
What's just the feedback that you've received personally on it?
Well, as we say in Oklahoma, when I showed it in House of David on the Shabbat service,
we have a saying in Oklahoma that the people's face look like a cow looking at a new gate.
And so for those that don't know what that means at Oklahoma, we have a lot of sayings
like that.
Their eyes are wide open, their jaws dropping.
Listen, this is their Rabbi.
People have known me for 20 years plus in the house watching it.
And you've got people who are like Peggy and Max.
It was so funny because they're in their late 70s.
They've been with me 23 years.
They're the hospitality pastors in House of David.
And they're literally sitting there just staring at...
It's messing with their head because it is so real.
The voice inflection and what it did to Christie and I, first time we saw it, we were at the
breakfast room table at our house and we just started laughing.
And I'm talking about, but not laughing like it's funny, but the joy of the Lord because
we knew this was our answer.
Listen, I made a promise to the Lord in 1991 in Israel that I would be a voice.
And because of the hell experience, I told you, listen, I don't want anyone going to
hell.
So I realized when this came, I thought, but listen, I'm entrepreneurial.
Listen, I guess I am what...
I don't really have labels.
The best label I have is Rabbi, which means teacher.
But I teach, I'm a businessman.
You guys all know that.
You work for me so you understand where I'm coming from.
So I'm very entrepreneurial.
I understand the risks.
I've spent 33 years in Israel, the startup nation.
I have a business in Israel.
So I understand all the risks, but here's the thing.
The scripture says, what you fear comes upon you.
I'm aware of the risk, listen, we started live streaming 15 years ago.
And when I did that and spent all the money and didn't have any money then for it, everyone
was going, oh my gosh, that's too expensive.
It's too risky.
It's this.
So I'll just give you a short story, Tucker.
This is what happened.
You know where we're at.
We're out in the middle of nowhere here.
They had fiber optic in the city of Grove.
I asked them, I want to live stream and they laid fiber optic across sailboat bridge all
the way out to here for free.
Didn't charge me a dime so that we could do it.
And so stuff like that happens.
And the thing is, if you'll pioneer and start taking baby steps toward what God's asked
you to do, he'll bring the provision.
So listen, nobody is telling me that, oh, you were, you know, 15 years later, live streamings
of the devil or it was bad, but we were criticized.
So I think what happens is you have to extend mercy and grace to those that don't understand,
produce the best product that you can.
I agree with what Tucker is saying.
AI is at the worst that it is.
It's going to do nothing but get better.
It's not going away.
Listen, if you look at TBN and you look at the testimony of Jan and Paul Crouch, their
assembly of God, when they were in Los Angeles and they started to say, hey, we're going
to do Christian television, oh, televisions of the devil, movies of the devil, you know,
all that assembly of God stuff.
Well, obviously, they had to pioneer, you know, with their one chair and a shower curtain
and look where TBN is now.
Look how many people have been saved through just TBN.
And they were criticized.
And Daystar with Marcus Lamb and Joni, same thing, like anytime you're pioneering, and
I will say this to ministers that are listening, you need to girt yourself up in holiness and
sanctification and spiritual warfare because when you go on the airways, you're battling
the prince of the air.
Who's the prince of the air?
Satan.
So you're battling Satan himself.
But the thing is, when we prayed for like three years before we did the live stream
15 years ago, we have prepared for AI for three years.
And I knew that once we launch with this, that, you know, the enemy's there's going
to be pushback.
But you have to go back to Jesus on the cross, you know.
What's the biblical significance of the number three?
Well, three, the most powerful of the number three in Hebrew, it's Salosh.
And what it means is actually, it talks about it in Ecclesiastes, Solomon.
He said, one, is easily overtaken, two, not so easy, but a threefold cord's not easily
broken.
So anytime you have God in your life, body, soul, and spirit, God the Father, God the
Son, the Holy Spirit, the Trinity, anytime you're in, and three is also covenant.
So when you're in covenant with God and you're in agreement with Him, then if God
be for you, who can stand against you?
So you're more than a conqueror through Christ Jesus that gives you strength.
And so, but in order to pioneer stuff like this, I'm going to do some teaching and
2024 on pioneer spirit.
I've actually got some friends who are pioneers that have pioneered some things and I want
to talk, interview them on this podcast.
But when you're a pioneer, you have to be able to have the fear of God, love those who
don't understand you and persecute you.
Listen, don't argue with them.
Just love them.
They're not there yet.
Knowing that most likely, kind of like Joseph's brothers in the Bible, they thought that they
killed him.
They didn't know that he went into slavery.
But if you get to the end of Genesis, it says, what the enemy meant for bad, the Lord meant
for good to bring life to many.
So Joseph was reunited with his family and everybody was saved and prospered by Joseph's
separation for a time.
And here's the key is, we're not going to argue with people over whether or not AI is
good, bad or indifferent.
We're going to produce good content, use it for the good of the kingdom and for souls.
And like everything else we do in Curt Landry Ministries, we'll do it with the level of
excellence that we're capable with, with the resources and the talent that we have, because
we do our work as unto the Lord.
I feel really good about this.
Listen, for those that are listening, and I'm not naive to the counterfeits and all
the pitfalls in this, but what you have to do is trust God, have the firewalls and do
what you can do.
Hire good people like Daryl and Tucker and I got Nathan here and Stefan.
We just have a great group.
And here's the thing is, I know for a fact for all of us at House of David, we're a voice.
We're called to do this.
And I'm rejoicing with the Lord that, you know what, someday all of us and all the Curt
Landry Ministry partners in House of David, you're going to meet Jesus.
And when you do, you want to hear like I want to hear, well done, good and faithful servant.
And then I really believe because of a visitation I had in heaven one time, I believe he's going
to introduce you and say, I want you to meet your brothers and sisters that because of
you they're here.
And I hope that you see a line that goes all the way out to the horizon and every partner
that sows a seed into Curt Landry Ministries.
When someone gives their life to the Lord through this technology and through all the
things that we do, your name is going to be in that book.
Powerful.
That's so good.
Tucker, from your perspective, looking at just marketing and digital marketing and creative
marketing, just that whole realm of the internet, to you is using AI to say translate in different
languages, is that one of the main avenues that you kind of think that we're all heading
towards in terms of spreading the gospel and utilizing technology?
Yeah, Darrell, that's a good question.
I think it's absolutely a strong use case for AI.
I think that technology exists.
It's almost a place where I would call perfected.
And clearly there is value to being able to convert the message, the gospel, to all these
different languages and then present it not only just as a dub, but presented in rabbis
like actual tonality and inflection to those people in different languages.
I think that's super powerful.
I also think that as having been in AI for a while, it's almost like a smaller use case
in terms of AI.
So that sort of segues perfectly into something that's been on my mind a lot lately when we
talk about AI in the church is, Rabbi, do you feel like there's a threshold or maybe
a limit to like a line to how much involvement AI, like how much involvement the AI should
have in the church?
Is there, even if something is used in a positive way, is there still something that would cross
a line?
I want to give you a few examples before you respond.
So the language translation to me is pretty neutral.
I feel like that will be well received by most.
Now there's already a few others out there.
So a ministry out in, I believe, California has created something called Bible GPT.
It's a spin off of chat GPT, except it was only trained on different versions of the
scripture of the Bible.
And when you ask it a question, it's a chat bot, right?
You could ask it any question and it responds in accordance with how it's been trained.
Now, just real quick, LLM, large language model, it's just trained on a vast amount
of data or a very specific amount of data that you feed to it.
So this AI platform system has been trained on different versions of the Bible and then
will respond in accordance.
Is that, you know, that's one example of how AI is being used or has been brought into
the church.
Is it something like that is too far or is that still, if it's being used for good and
it's spreading the word and helping people devote themselves and rediscover and maybe
even like dive deeper into what is being said in the Bible, is that still something you
would consider as a positive for the church?
Yeah, I think it's positive.
And I know that in our own experience, like what we're really working on is keeping the
top of funnel content.
For me, it has to be our content and it really has to be pretty pure.
Now, as far as putting the Bible into that content, I have no problem with that.
And so what they're doing there is they're putting in different translations and things.
So it would, and I don't know, I'm not familiar with this ministry, but it would have to be
the proper theological and doctrinal correct translations based off what your ministry stands
for.
You know, that's their responsibility.
It's not mine.
No, it's not crossing a line for me.
You know, one of my heart's desires is to do devotionals that are actually with our content
to where people who are saying, okay, I filled out the goals to grow by, okay, and I have
written my top three goals and I've also written what I fear.
Like, let's say I have a fear of failure.
I have rejection, okay.
I have an orphan spirit.
I don't have a high self-worth.
Okay.
So the way to deal with those issues is to have a devotional that is actually targeted
on the weaknesses of your life.
And if you'll feed on those scriptures and those devotionals, what happens is then you
spend your devotional time in anointed transforming scriptures and devotional wisdom to how to
apply it to overcome and transform the fear into faith.
Okay.
So I'm just telling you, that's where we're going with it, but that's going to be, so
to say, content that we're approving of and putting in.
So I don't want to say, I guess my biggest concern, and we're not going to do this here,
but for other people, you could get real lazy with AI and say, hey, listen, I want to write
a book.
And you can just go and basically have the AI write a book, next thing you know, you're
sitting there and here's my book.
I'm not going to do that.
I understand how it works.
I mean, I could crank out with all my material.
Listen, we have 20 years of recorded material here, so thousands of hours of material.
But the point is, is that I think that's an integrity issue, but I think each person has
to say that.
So for me, we're not going there.
But the personal devotional for people, absolutely.
Because I understand that you have to face your fear, identify your fear, put scriptures
that allow you to overcome that fear, and devotionals to know how to apply the wisdom.
And we're going to do that.
Podcast at Curtlandry.com, send your questions, just make sure that you put a title on the
subject line.
Anything that we discuss, especially Curt Landry in Espanol, if you're listening and
you want to share that with someone, we'll put the link to that YouTube channel in the
show notes description of this episode.
So Rabbi, before we end this discussion, and I'm sure we're going to have many more podcasts
talking about this.
But before we get there, let's talk about what this month is.
It's the month of Shavat.
And how does that correlate to the discussion right now?
Okay.
And you'll enjoy this, Tucker.
So if you go into, in fact, one of the things I'm bringing into my own personal life is
bringing the Hebrew month and then the first Friday of the Hebrew month, I'm going to
be doing teaching on that month.
And so that people can kind of experience like how their life actually, you can look
back over 2023 and look at the Hebrew months for each one of them mean, and you can look
back and say, oh my gosh, my life actually kind of had a similar trending according
to God's calendar.
And so, but this month, like we're having this discussion, the month of Shavat, it's
interesting that you all guys all know the story in the Bible.
So you have Moses, 40 years in the wilderness, all right?
He's 40 years in the wilderness.
And now he's at the month of Shavat.
What does he do?
He literally gets 600,000 men.
He puts them in one place.
And he, it says in the Talmud and in the Bible, it alludes to, but the Talmud goes into great
length about that.
And the Talmud is basically Hebraic rabbinical commentary.
Okay?
So, it's not inspired, but it comes from our rabbis that are orthodox and very well
taught.
But also in the Bible, we know that this event happened.
So this is roughly about 30 days before he goes on to go to heaven.
They're getting ready to go into the promised land.
So he says, listen, in order for you to go on the promised land, I want to give you some
oral communication.
It's called the oral law.
And what he does is Moses speaks to 600,000 people in 70 different languages.
And we don't know how he did that.
But it was so important that basically from the Father's heart, this is what Moses was
doing.
Listen, you're going into the promised land.
I'm not.
You're going in with Joshua and Caleb, but this is what you need to understand not just
to get into the land, but how to stay in the land.
And so, he gave oral communication of the law in 70 different languages.
So this month, Shavat is kind of like the modern day AI.
So when all this discussion of us launching Kurt Landry Espanol and Shavat and all these
conversations, I thought to myself, see, here's another thing that's happening.
Because you can go through and follow with House of David, Kurt Landry Ministries.
You can follow the spring feast, and then you can follow the fall feast.
And you'll learn a lot and grasp a lot of downloads because all of a sudden now God's
seasons and patterns become your seasons and patterns.
Create intimacy and understanding with God.
But if we do it every month, which I'm planning on doing, it was so powerful being at House
of David talking about Shavat, okay?
Moses translating, speaking to people in 70 different languages.
And then at the end of the service, I brought up the video of Kurt Landry Espanol.
And that's when everybody was looking at like a cow at a new gate.
All right.
So that's Shavat.
We'll link that in the description so you can watch that.
Tucker, Rabbi, we have made it to the end of this episode.
Tucker, one thing that we do for people that's made it to the deep end is what I call right
up towards the very back end is we do something real quick.
It's just final thoughts.
We'll start with you.
What's your final thoughts on this?
Well, again, I just, I think it's so exciting to see Rabbi, you know, to see you embrace
this technology and just to be so optimistic and positive about the future and how we can
really put a positive spin on this to reach new hearts and new minds with the gospel,
with your message, with our vision for all of humanity, which is of course to really
canvas the whole world with the message of God and advance his kingdom.
I think it's such a cool opportunity and a great thing to be a part of.
So I'm just, I am blessed and very thankful to be a part of this endeavor.
I think it will be really interesting.
Again, I always love to say, I said it earlier, AI is the worst that it will ever be right
now.
So as we move into the future, I am very excited for the opportunities that will come from
this technology and from us embracing this technology.
You know, you look at church tech today findings, you know, that 43% are still uncomfortable,
you know, using AI in the church and there's a lot of pushback.
But I think that with every innovation, with every single piece of technology that has
came out, there has been that sort of initial pushback.
So I think that together we can work on really educating the church community and ministering
to sort of the masses that this can be used for positive and we will work hopefully at
the forefront of developing those solutions.
So very excited.
Thank you guys again for having me here today.
I've really enjoyed it.
Yeah.
Well, thank you, Tucker.
Listen, I'm totally in agreement with you.
Here's the thing.
And this is, I'm speaking to my staff right now.
We have to stay humble.
We have to understand why we're doing it.
We have to understand we're called to do it.
Every good and perfect gift comes from Him.
We need to do our work as unto the Lord, but we also need not to get offended or have issues
with people that disagree what we're doing.
And we need to be like Clydesdale, so to say, put the blinders on, keep marching ahead.
And some of the fear of this will pass.
Listen, there will be bad stuff that happened with it.
We live in a fallen world, but let's stay positive, love people.
And we just recently put in two water wells with the Elijah List with Steve Schultz, his
ministry.
We put two wells in, CLM did, and they sent me a video.
And here's these little kids and they're playing in the water.
They're drinking the water.
And it is just so, so special.
So what you have to look at as AI is this.
Listen, there's technology with satellites now that Elon Musk is doing.
And he's already had proof of concept.
I don't know how much people know about it.
But basically, these satellites are going to allow us to be able to go to those kids
at that well with a very simple device.
And even though they can't have cell phones, they can have this device and we can bring
the gospel of the kingdom to them with those devices.
And that's probably about 12 to 24 months out.
So we would actually buy the devices, give it to the kids.
It's like, here's your water and here's your water in the spirit.
So I'm so excited.
And I'm excited to see that these little babies that are in Africa and in India and all the
different places of the world, that they'll hear the good news and they'll be in heaven
with us and not in hell.
Tucker, Dane Levy.
Hey, Tucker, thanks for taking a little bit of your extremely busy day to join us and
be the first guest on the Curt Landry podcast.
Yeah, thanks for having me, Daryl.
Anytime.
Okay, Rabbi, well, this was a good episode.
I know we're going to talk about it more as people listen and download, especially this
episode to get biblical truth on artificial intelligence.
So I'm super excited.
Again, anything that we've discussed in this episode, you can just go to the show notes
in the description of this episode and we'll have links for that.
Rabbi, it was a pleasure.
Until next time.
Thank you.