WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.220 Hello, everybody. Thank you all so much for listening 00:00:02.220 --> 00:00:04.139 to Memingless, where we look into the spread 00:00:04.139 --> 00:00:06.620 of nonsense online and try to understand what 00:00:06.620 --> 00:00:09.859 in the hell it all means. I am your humble host, 00:00:09.980 --> 00:00:14.539 Nate. And should I invite Bobby? No, too late. 00:00:14.660 --> 00:00:20.800 I'm in. You know, I'm so glad you stuck with 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:25.239 the theme of kind of screwing it up first. So, 00:00:25.379 --> 00:00:31.559 Bobby, Miss Bobbington. I probably did bobblehead, 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:33.840 didn't I? I don't know. I'm sure I had to have 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:35.420 done it. Probably. It seems like it's a pretty 00:00:35.420 --> 00:00:38.280 obvious one. Yeah. I probably did miscrabobble. 00:00:39.380 --> 00:00:41.780 I don't think that one. Let's do miscrabobble. 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:44.659 I like that one, yeah. Yeah. So I have a meme 00:00:44.659 --> 00:00:47.159 for you to look at, and I would like you to explain 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:49.799 how it looks and how it reads to our listeners. 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:52.560 All right. I like this guy. Okay. So we got a 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:54.600 big old Yosemite Sam here. He's got his guns 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:57.740 out. He's ready to go. At the top it says, there's 00:00:57.740 --> 00:01:00.439 no such thing as strong coffee. At the bottom 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:04.000 it says, just overly sensitive girly men. All 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:06.180 right. He would think that. All right. Yeah. 00:01:06.299 --> 00:01:10.879 So I actually was coming across variations of 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:13.719 this type of meme. Somebody had posted on Reddit 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:16.079 something that one of their family members had 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:19.920 posted to Facebook. The original meme that I 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:30.200 saw. Now, when I first saw this meme, I thought 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:34.840 of a coffee recall from back in 2017. A product 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:37.620 from the coffee maker Death Wish Coffee was pulled 00:01:37.620 --> 00:01:40.299 from the shelves, and I had always assumed that 00:01:40.299 --> 00:01:43.379 was because Death Wish Coffee had too much caffeine. 00:01:44.250 --> 00:01:47.209 It was marketed as the strongest coffee globally, 00:01:47.549 --> 00:01:50.750 often labeled with warning world's strongest 00:01:50.750 --> 00:01:54.549 coffee and even calling itself the galaxy's strongest 00:01:54.549 --> 00:01:58.769 coffee. Wow. Yeah. Some strong coffee. I mean, 00:01:58.790 --> 00:02:02.230 I honestly. It seems like a pretty safe bet that 00:02:02.230 --> 00:02:04.329 if it's the strongest coffee in the world, it's 00:02:04.329 --> 00:02:06.170 probably the strongest coffee in the galaxy. 00:02:06.489 --> 00:02:08.750 Probably. Yeah. Probably not a lot of other coffees 00:02:08.750 --> 00:02:11.030 out there. Yeah. Yeah. I'd imagine if there was 00:02:11.030 --> 00:02:12.770 even something similar, it'd be called something 00:02:12.770 --> 00:02:15.750 else. Probably. It'd be kind of hilarious, though, 00:02:15.789 --> 00:02:17.449 if the little Mars rover found, like, a Starbucks. 00:02:17.669 --> 00:02:20.930 Yeah. I would be so upset. Because, like, when 00:02:20.930 --> 00:02:25.129 I went to the Forbidden City in Beijing, the... 00:02:26.219 --> 00:02:28.400 There was a little coffee shop there and I was 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:31.219 told, like, inside the Forbidden City. And I 00:02:31.219 --> 00:02:32.879 was told that originally it was going to be a 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:36.099 Starbucks. Okay. And you know how frustrated 00:02:36.099 --> 00:02:38.500 I would be? I was actually, while I was there, 00:02:38.539 --> 00:02:40.219 I was trying to avoid American culture. I was 00:02:40.219 --> 00:02:42.680 trying to immerse myself in Chinese culture and 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:44.460 the Chinese language. You know how frustrated 00:02:44.460 --> 00:02:47.539 I would be? In the Forbidden City, like, within 00:02:47.539 --> 00:02:50.219 the walls, and there's a fucking Starbucks in 00:02:50.219 --> 00:02:53.110 there? That would be so unbelievably irritating 00:02:53.110 --> 00:02:56.729 to me. And plus, Starbucks, it's overpriced. 00:02:56.930 --> 00:02:59.090 And in my opinion, that coffee is overly acidic 00:02:59.090 --> 00:03:02.270 too. But maybe I'm just one of those girly men 00:03:02.270 --> 00:03:06.349 that Yosemite Sam's talking about. But this product 00:03:06.349 --> 00:03:08.750 from Death Wish Coffee, it seemed like a bad 00:03:08.750 --> 00:03:11.250 idea to me at the time, which is probably why 00:03:11.250 --> 00:03:13.689 I had assumed that the recall was due to people 00:03:13.689 --> 00:03:15.770 maybe having like heart palpitations or something. 00:03:16.270 --> 00:03:20.949 An average cup of coffee. Has about 113 to 247 00:03:20.949 --> 00:03:23.650 milligrams of caffeine in a 12 -ounce cup. Wow. 00:03:23.750 --> 00:03:26.229 While Death Wish Coffee was reported to have 00:03:26.229 --> 00:03:29.930 as much as 708 milligrams of caffeine in a 12 00:03:29.930 --> 00:03:34.370 -ounce cup. Wow. Which is well over the 400 milligram 00:03:34.370 --> 00:03:38.610 limit that's recommended for healthy adults by 00:03:38.610 --> 00:03:42.150 most healthcare professionals. Wow. Yeah. So. 00:03:42.590 --> 00:03:45.409 I was kind of curious about what makes a bag 00:03:45.409 --> 00:03:48.469 of coffee grounds that much stronger than an 00:03:48.469 --> 00:03:50.669 average one. So I kind of looked into it, and 00:03:50.669 --> 00:03:53.810 apparently the process involves processing Robusta 00:03:53.810 --> 00:03:57.270 beans. So they process it where it's grown. They 00:03:57.270 --> 00:04:00.789 roast them at the manufacturing sites. And most 00:04:00.789 --> 00:04:03.849 coffees are made with Arabica beans, which have 00:04:03.849 --> 00:04:07.719 genetically lower... caffeine content than Robusta 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:10.780 beans, and then brewing and roasting techniques 00:04:10.780 --> 00:04:13.400 further affect the caffeine concentration in 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:16.279 the coffee. Okay. Honestly, I had no idea that 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:18.980 coffee could vary so dramatically in caffeine 00:04:18.980 --> 00:04:21.339 content. Yeah, I'm surprised to hear that. Yeah, 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:23.860 but it turns out that wasn't the reason for the 00:04:23.860 --> 00:04:27.339 Death Wish recall. Okay. Apparently, the canning 00:04:27.339 --> 00:04:30.319 process of their nitro cold brew left the drink 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:59.829 at high risk of botulism. Hmm. Okay. Regardless... 00:05:00.189 --> 00:05:03.769 I would argue that there is such a thing as coffee 00:05:03.769 --> 00:05:06.370 that's too strong, considering that a 12 ounce 00:05:06.370 --> 00:05:08.790 cup of regular brewed death wish coffee could 00:05:08.790 --> 00:05:11.930 lead to caffeine content far exceeding the maximum 00:05:11.930 --> 00:05:15.350 recommended by the FDA. And that's our episode. 00:05:15.370 --> 00:05:18.329 Thank you all so much for listening. I'm kidding. 00:05:18.449 --> 00:05:22.310 Actually, I kept reading because this meme got 00:05:22.310 --> 00:05:25.189 my brain all in a stir. I couldn't let go of 00:05:25.189 --> 00:05:28.329 certain curiosities regarding something. A little 00:05:28.329 --> 00:05:31.970 more insidious about this type of meme. So, grab 00:05:31.970 --> 00:05:34.709 a dangerously strong beverage, sit back, and 00:05:34.709 --> 00:05:38.709 learn how to be a manly rube. Bobby, do you want 00:05:38.709 --> 00:05:41.089 to be a manly rube? Oh, always. Oh, yeah. That's 00:05:41.089 --> 00:05:44.529 my dream. Let me tell you how. Okay, hit me. 00:05:44.709 --> 00:05:50.550 The year is 1889. Pitcher Pud Galvin was on the 00:05:50.550 --> 00:05:53.360 mound. After having some games in his recent 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:55.519 history that didn't quite live up to his reputation, 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:58.420 PUD was about to pitch a game that would create 00:05:58.420 --> 00:06:01.000 one hell of a buzz. I'm sorry, are you saying 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:04.040 PUD? PUD. P -U -D. Yeah, PUD got his nickname 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:06.620 because his pitches were so powerful that it 00:06:06.620 --> 00:06:10.029 would turn batters into pudding. Oh, okay. Yeah. 00:06:10.069 --> 00:06:12.870 And when I first read this nickname, I was picturing 00:06:12.870 --> 00:06:15.629 the metaphor as the batters being like goo -ified 00:06:15.629 --> 00:06:19.129 into like human pudding. But I guess at the time, 00:06:19.129 --> 00:06:20.930 the phrase was more similar to saying somebody 00:06:20.930 --> 00:06:24.110 has like jello legs. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. It 00:06:24.110 --> 00:06:25.689 was like it was a common phrase at that time. 00:06:27.290 --> 00:06:30.569 Also, I couldn't find any contemporary source 00:06:30.569 --> 00:06:33.560 calling him Pud. So I think he got that nickname 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:35.680 posthumously. The reason this game would cause 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.579 such a stir wasn't because Pudd would pitch a 00:06:38.579 --> 00:06:40.519 really good game. It wasn't just because of that. 00:06:40.620 --> 00:06:43.120 But he would do so with the help of a special 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.899 drug created by a brilliant scientist. In fact... 00:06:47.069 --> 00:06:49.509 PUD is widely considered to be the first American 00:06:49.509 --> 00:06:53.089 athlete to be openly doping. Dr. Charles Edward 00:06:53.089 --> 00:06:56.389 Brown Sicard had invented an elixir made from 00:06:56.389 --> 00:06:59.269 testicular blood, semen, and dog and guinea pig 00:06:59.269 --> 00:07:02.709 testicles, which Sicard had first tested on himself. 00:07:03.850 --> 00:07:11.180 Wow. I love a concoction. Yeah. So in Sicard's 00:07:11.180 --> 00:07:13.579 cut time, the subject of experimentation was 00:07:13.579 --> 00:07:16.779 often the scientists themselves. In fact, Sicard 00:07:16.779 --> 00:07:20.100 suffered from lifelong gastric reflux as a consequence 00:07:20.100 --> 00:07:23.600 of sampling his own stomach acid using an absorbent 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:31.569 material at the end of a string. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, 00:07:31.610 --> 00:07:33.970 that fucked him up for life. Like, for the rest 00:07:33.970 --> 00:07:36.410 of his life, he had gastric reflux. I'm sure 00:07:36.410 --> 00:07:41.649 he did. Wow. You know, okay, so to be a doctor, 00:07:41.730 --> 00:07:43.250 you gotta spend a lot of time in college, right? 00:07:43.389 --> 00:07:44.949 What do you suppose this guy was like in college? 00:07:47.689 --> 00:07:50.750 I bet he has some stories. Yeah. Well, actually, 00:07:50.850 --> 00:07:53.750 there are. So I didn't include this in the script 00:07:53.750 --> 00:07:54.970 because it didn't have anything to do with the 00:07:54.970 --> 00:07:57.889 subject. But there was one point where as part 00:07:57.889 --> 00:08:00.990 of an experiment, he had covered himself in I 00:08:00.990 --> 00:08:03.850 think it was like some kind of lacquer or something. 00:08:04.129 --> 00:08:09.110 And one of his students found his body like not 00:08:09.110 --> 00:08:11.569 moving, not conscious, nothing, just laying on 00:08:11.569 --> 00:08:15.310 the floor of the lab. All brown. This is a white 00:08:15.310 --> 00:08:21.389 dude. Completely brown. And Sicard kind of reprimanded 00:08:21.389 --> 00:08:23.750 him a little bit for interrupting the experiment. 00:08:28.050 --> 00:08:32.250 This guy was nuts. I became a big fan of this 00:08:32.250 --> 00:08:35.309 dude as I was reading about him. He is fantastic. 00:08:35.570 --> 00:08:40.639 I love this guy. So, Sicard reported his findings 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:44.700 of his elixir while subcutaneously injecting 00:08:44.700 --> 00:08:47.779 it. He reported that his physical strength had 00:08:47.779 --> 00:08:50.440 been returning, and being the ever -diligent 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:53.659 scientist, also reported on the return of his 00:08:53.659 --> 00:08:56.740 cognitive abilities, his overall energy, and 00:08:56.740 --> 00:08:59.740 even the robustness of his stream when he urinated. 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:04.019 Yeah, he wrote... The average length of the jet 00:09:04.019 --> 00:09:07.299 during the 10 days that preceded the first injection 00:09:07.299 --> 00:09:10.460 was inferior by at least one quarter of what 00:09:10.460 --> 00:09:19.840 it came to be during the 20 following days. Sicard, 00:09:19.940 --> 00:09:22.720 like most aging people, was also plagued with 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:25.600 constipation. Or as he put it, one of the most 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:28.200 troublesome miseries of advanced life consists 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:32.889 of the diminu... diminution of the power to defecate, 00:09:32.929 --> 00:09:36.350 a power which he reported had returned following 00:09:36.350 --> 00:09:38.549 his injections. He actually said that that was 00:09:38.549 --> 00:09:40.450 the most radical change that he experienced, 00:09:40.570 --> 00:09:42.649 and I wondered if maybe the concoction he was 00:09:42.649 --> 00:09:45.190 injecting was just giving him diarrhea. Probably, 00:09:45.269 --> 00:09:48.250 yeah. Like, I don't doubt that grinding up, you 00:09:48.250 --> 00:09:51.669 know, animal testicles and injecting it could 00:09:51.669 --> 00:09:56.409 lead to, you know, maybe a bit of soft stools, 00:09:56.570 --> 00:10:02.649 as they say. So after Pud Galvin pitched a winning 00:10:02.649 --> 00:10:05.470 game using the elixir, the excitement surrounding 00:10:05.470 --> 00:10:09.610 this treatment grew quickly. The Washington Post 00:10:09.610 --> 00:10:12.649 published an article stating that if there were 00:10:12.649 --> 00:10:17.049 any doubt in the elixir's efficacy, then Pud's 00:10:17.049 --> 00:10:19.309 performance on the mound should have put those 00:10:19.309 --> 00:10:22.730 doubts to rest. The elixir was such a huge sensation, 00:10:22.909 --> 00:10:25.029 there was even a song about it. And it went like 00:10:25.029 --> 00:10:28.919 this. The latest sensations, the set card elixir 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:31.340 that's making young kids of the withered and 00:10:31.340 --> 00:10:34.740 gray. There'll be no more pills or big Dr. Bills 00:10:34.740 --> 00:10:38.850 or planting of people in churchyard clay. Wow. 00:10:38.909 --> 00:10:41.669 Yeah, that last line suggests no more death, 00:10:41.769 --> 00:10:44.669 and that is why Charles Edward Brown Sicard is 00:10:44.669 --> 00:10:47.409 still alive today at 160 -something. Wow, let's 00:10:47.409 --> 00:10:49.649 get him on the show. Here he is, folks. No, unfortunately, 00:10:49.929 --> 00:10:51.789 I'm kidding. He died, and so did everybody else 00:10:51.789 --> 00:10:55.049 from that time. Oh, sure. Yeah. So, Sicard never 00:10:55.049 --> 00:10:57.129 made any money off of his elixir. In fact, he 00:10:57.129 --> 00:10:59.750 even provided it for free to his colleagues for, 00:10:59.830 --> 00:11:03.950 you know, experimental purposes. Sure. So, by 00:11:03.950 --> 00:11:05.730 all means, Sicard doesn't seem to be a grifter 00:11:05.730 --> 00:11:10.000 of any kind. However, this didn't mean that others 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:13.639 weren't willing to bank on the hype. His elixir, 00:11:13.659 --> 00:11:15.600 or at least things claiming to be the elixir, 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:17.840 were sold with his name on it, but with no actual 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:20.820 connection to him financially. There was widespread 00:11:20.820 --> 00:11:24.740 reporting of the efficacy of his tonic. But later 00:11:24.740 --> 00:11:26.559 experiments showed that the positive results 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:30.019 were certainly, almost certainly, a placebo effect. 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:33.799 Which kind of put to rest the claims of the 1889 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:37.360 article in the Washington Post that said that 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:40.080 Pud Gavling's game was proof that the elixir 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:42.299 worked. Or at least one would think. But a quote 00:11:42.299 --> 00:11:45.779 from a 2009 article from the Washington Post 00:11:45.779 --> 00:11:49.000 reads, The secret to Galvin's success, it may 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.179 have been something called the brown cicard elixir, 00:11:51.220 --> 00:11:53.019 as if they hadn't learned anything in the past 00:11:53.019 --> 00:11:56.480 120 years. Yeah, that was in the Washington Post, 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:59.100 despite the fact that Pudd became the first pitcher 00:11:59.100 --> 00:12:02.820 to win 300 games in 1888, the year before he 00:12:02.820 --> 00:12:06.840 pitched that elixir game. But studies involving 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:10.600 testicular health had suggested that testicles 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:14.570 had some connection to virility. Observations 00:12:14.570 --> 00:12:16.490 in animals and people who had lost the function 00:12:16.490 --> 00:12:18.629 of their testicles or lost them altogether seem 00:12:18.629 --> 00:12:22.029 to indicate this connection as well. Today, we 00:12:22.029 --> 00:12:25.169 understand that the male sex glands produce testosterone, 00:12:25.470 --> 00:12:27.850 but this wasn't really known in Pudd and Sicard's 00:12:27.850 --> 00:12:32.570 time. Finally, in 1935, Organon became the first 00:12:32.570 --> 00:12:35.789 drug manufacturer to isolate testosterone, and 00:12:35.789 --> 00:12:39.450 it took 220 pounds of bull testicles to obtain 00:12:39.450 --> 00:12:44.009 a thimbleful. Wow. Poor bulls. Yeah. The problem 00:12:44.009 --> 00:12:46.669 is that testosterone is not stored in the testicles. 00:12:46.710 --> 00:12:49.330 It's a hormone that's produced on demand and 00:12:49.330 --> 00:12:52.029 flows through the bloodstream. So basically, 00:12:52.110 --> 00:12:54.309 people who eat bull testicles for the testosterone 00:12:54.309 --> 00:12:57.789 are barking up the wrong sack. And injecting 00:12:57.789 --> 00:13:01.750 testicles subcutaneously likely has no real effect 00:13:01.750 --> 00:13:04.779 on virility either. All right. Selling ineffective 00:13:04.779 --> 00:13:08.240 tonics to improve manliness sounds pretty familiar 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:11.360 today, and over the years there were various 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:14.600 other treatments being sold to aging men to make 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:18.809 them young and virile again. Even partial vasectomies, 00:13:18.809 --> 00:13:21.990 specifically the Steinach method, were sold as 00:13:21.990 --> 00:13:24.970 a form of rejuvenation, again resulting in what 00:13:24.970 --> 00:13:27.389 was most likely a placebo effect. The Steinach 00:13:27.389 --> 00:13:31.509 method involves tying off the vas deferens, which 00:13:31.509 --> 00:13:33.769 is the duct that leads from the testicles to 00:13:33.769 --> 00:13:36.509 the urethra. And this was popularized first in 00:13:36.509 --> 00:13:39.769 Vienna, I think. People were getting Steinacht, 00:13:39.870 --> 00:13:43.980 as they called it. And men were touting about 00:13:43.980 --> 00:13:46.899 their regained creativity and vitality. And in 00:13:46.899 --> 00:13:50.460 at least one case, second puberty. That would 00:13:50.460 --> 00:13:52.500 suck. Yeah, a dude went through his second puberty. 00:13:52.820 --> 00:13:54.559 It wasn't anything fun the first time. I don't 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:56.779 want to do it again. Yeah, no, I don't. I don't. 00:13:56.779 --> 00:13:59.379 So Dr. Eugene Steinach described his patients 00:13:59.379 --> 00:14:03.240 as, quote, changed from feeble, parched, dribbling 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:06.539 drones to men of vigorous bloom who threw away 00:14:06.539 --> 00:14:09.399 their glasses, shaved twice a day, dragged loads 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:13.059 up to 220 pounds, and even indulged in such youthful 00:14:13.059 --> 00:14:16.759 follies as buying land in Florida. Whoa. Yeah, 00:14:16.860 --> 00:14:20.519 yeah. And that is some good grifter nonsense 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:23.539 if I've ever heard it. I love that he included 00:14:23.539 --> 00:14:25.919 committing youthful follies, or in other words, 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:29.320 doing something fucking stupid as a selling point 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:31.690 of the procedure. Well, sure. Keeps your day 00:14:31.690 --> 00:14:32.809 interesting. You never know what you're going 00:14:32.809 --> 00:14:35.350 to do. I picture him being like one of those 00:14:35.350 --> 00:14:38.370 doctors, like on, like, you know, the old grifters, 00:14:38.450 --> 00:14:41.029 like with the cart that show up in town, you 00:14:41.029 --> 00:14:43.169 know, they sell some nonsense. All the snake 00:14:43.169 --> 00:14:45.169 oil. Come, let me pinch off one of your sack 00:14:45.169 --> 00:14:47.350 tubes and you'll be feeling dumber in no time. 00:14:49.899 --> 00:14:53.620 But Dr. Steinock rode that re -masculinization 00:14:53.620 --> 00:14:57.740 wave pretty hard. He also had some pretty problematic 00:14:57.740 --> 00:15:01.639 beliefs about masculinity. He thought if he could 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:04.139 surgically implant a straight man's testicle 00:15:04.139 --> 00:15:06.539 into a gay man's scrotum, he could turn that 00:15:06.539 --> 00:15:09.960 gay man straight. Sure, that makes sense. I can 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:14.419 see how that would work. I think, so that's not 00:15:14.419 --> 00:15:17.580 how being gay works. No, not at all. I think 00:15:17.580 --> 00:15:20.990 if you put a third testicle. In a gay man, you're 00:15:20.990 --> 00:15:25.250 just going to get a really, really gay man. You 00:15:25.250 --> 00:15:27.909 might make them gay. I think that's about if 00:15:27.909 --> 00:15:30.730 the surgery is successful. I know some gay guys 00:15:30.730 --> 00:15:32.570 who have more than enough testosterone. They're 00:15:32.570 --> 00:15:36.289 still quite gay. Oh, yeah. So transplanting testicles 00:15:36.289 --> 00:15:39.269 brings us to our next chapter in the masculinity 00:15:39.269 --> 00:15:42.889 grift and also brings us to something that still 00:15:42.889 --> 00:15:46.169 plagues us and the Internet to this day. Bobby, 00:15:46.289 --> 00:15:48.509 I'm going to show you a picture. And I want you 00:15:48.509 --> 00:15:51.669 to tell me what you're seeing. According to the 00:15:51.669 --> 00:15:55.370 1986 documentary titled The Goat Gland Doctor, 00:15:55.690 --> 00:15:59.690 this is the first ever goat gland baby. Oh. Yeah. 00:16:00.610 --> 00:16:04.470 But this, like many things I encounter while 00:16:04.470 --> 00:16:07.690 researching for this podcast, is insane nonsense. 00:16:08.190 --> 00:16:14.289 A man named Dr. John R. Brinkley, a practicing 00:16:14.289 --> 00:16:19.110 physician from California. Oh, wait. Turns out 00:16:19.110 --> 00:16:22.970 his medical degree is what I would call fraudulent. 00:16:23.649 --> 00:16:26.730 He got it from a diploma mill, essentially. Cool. 00:16:26.809 --> 00:16:31.129 So forget the doctor part, but that didn't stop 00:16:31.129 --> 00:16:34.509 him from offering surgeries that would revitalize 00:16:34.509 --> 00:16:39.769 male patients. Bobby, what do you think these 00:16:39.769 --> 00:16:42.809 surgeries involved? Oh, probably nothing good. 00:16:43.389 --> 00:16:47.350 He was taking goat testicles. And grafting them 00:16:47.350 --> 00:16:51.529 into men's own glands inside of their scrotum. 00:16:51.629 --> 00:16:54.929 So he was adding goat testicles. Yeah. Oh, my 00:16:54.929 --> 00:16:57.870 God. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, this treatment doesn't 00:16:57.870 --> 00:17:00.570 work. Obviously. You can't just start putting 00:17:00.570 --> 00:17:02.509 goat balls into people and hope for the best. 00:17:02.649 --> 00:17:06.710 Wow. Yeah. In fact, 42 patients, many of whom 00:17:06.710 --> 00:17:09.170 were reportedly healthy when they walked into 00:17:09.170 --> 00:17:11.869 not a Dr. Brinkley's clinic, had their death 00:17:11.869 --> 00:17:15.920 certificates signed by him. Yeah, I believe that. 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:22.940 Oh, God. The documentary I mentioned is bafflingly... 00:17:22.940 --> 00:17:25.619 That's a dumb word. Why would I even put that 00:17:25.619 --> 00:17:27.880 in the script? The documentary I mentioned is 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:32.359 bafflingly... Whatever. It's ridiculously flattering 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:35.500 toward this dude, especially considering that 00:17:35.500 --> 00:17:38.619 he was met with disgrace before his death, and 00:17:38.619 --> 00:17:42.230 this documentary was made posthumously. I learned 00:17:42.230 --> 00:17:44.490 some incredibly hilarious things about this dude, 00:17:44.589 --> 00:17:47.049 but as I was reading, I realized that there had 00:17:47.049 --> 00:17:49.109 to be a Behind the Bastards episode on this guy, 00:17:49.230 --> 00:17:52.569 and I looked it up, and Robert Evans did do an 00:17:52.569 --> 00:17:55.390 episode on Brinkley. I will be listening to that 00:17:55.390 --> 00:18:01.809 after we record, but not to spoil anything, I 00:18:01.809 --> 00:18:03.589 won't go into too much detail about this dude, 00:18:03.670 --> 00:18:06.130 but I had to include Brinkley in this podcast 00:18:06.130 --> 00:18:08.269 because there was an important through line here. 00:18:09.230 --> 00:18:12.680 This meme got me thinking, So the meme about 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:16.759 men who are too weak got me thinking about how 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:19.680 romanticized versions of masculinity are used 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:23.059 to sell nonsense to dupes. I came across Pud 00:18:23.059 --> 00:18:26.779 Galvin, the baseball player, when I was looking 00:18:26.779 --> 00:18:29.359 into the earliest things sold to the public as 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:32.819 masculinizing products. I wanted to find, like, 00:18:32.859 --> 00:18:37.279 what was the earliest, like, you know... man 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.579 making supplement or whatever, you know, whatever 00:18:39.579 --> 00:18:42.400 market nonsense I could find. What was the earliest 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:45.200 one? And, uh, that one that I found from Dr. 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:49.140 Sicard, like from all I could read in his writings 00:18:49.140 --> 00:18:51.539 and about who he was and stuff, I think that 00:18:51.539 --> 00:18:54.339 he, he sincerely believed in his elixir. Um, 00:18:54.579 --> 00:18:57.099 and he didn't, he didn't make any money off of 00:18:57.099 --> 00:19:01.000 it. Uh, and, um, he didn't sell to anybody, but, 00:19:01.059 --> 00:19:04.119 but some people did, or at least tried to. And 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:13.500 this idea, This idea of using the testicles of 00:19:13.500 --> 00:19:16.460 other animals to revitalize the masculinity of 00:19:16.460 --> 00:19:20.140 humans gained traction after that Bud Galvin 00:19:20.140 --> 00:19:25.720 game. So the widespread hype regarding making 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:29.059 men virile again. had become a rich market for 00:19:29.059 --> 00:19:31.559 grifters, and in fact, the goat gland bastard 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:33.779 suddenly wanting to play surgeon had traveled 00:19:33.779 --> 00:19:36.880 to Chicago to be a surgeon. He had studied in 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:40.339 Chicago for a number of years. He failed his 00:19:40.339 --> 00:19:44.180 class and didn't seem to care when he reportedly 00:19:44.180 --> 00:19:47.680 told his professor, quote, I have a scheme up 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:49.480 my sleeve and the whole world will know about 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:56.579 it. Uh -oh. He sure fucking did. Now, sure, Brinkley, 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:59.559 essentially purchased his medical degree from 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:03.779 a known diploma mill called the Eclectic Medical 00:20:03.779 --> 00:20:07.240 University of Kansas City, making his degree 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:12.759 not quite authentic, in my opinion. The Eclectic 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:16.339 Medical University of Kansas City was a known 00:20:16.339 --> 00:20:20.339 diploma mill. were aware that you could easily 00:20:20.339 --> 00:20:23.380 just get a diploma from them and also eclectic 00:20:23.380 --> 00:20:26.359 medicine was not really widely recognized at 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:29.539 the time and really shouldn't shouldn't be you 00:20:29.539 --> 00:20:32.039 know yeah as far as i'm concerned he wasn't an 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:34.759 actual medical doctor but he did have something 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:38.779 more important than a medical degree now what's 00:20:38.779 --> 00:20:40.460 more important than a medical degree if you want 00:20:40.460 --> 00:20:42.599 to sell nonsense to rubes i want you to try to 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:45.799 guess what what would be more important than 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:49.950 a medical degree Oh, I don't know. Law degree 00:20:49.950 --> 00:20:53.670 doesn't get yourself out of trouble later. That 00:20:53.670 --> 00:20:57.190 actually may have helped this dude out later 00:20:57.190 --> 00:21:01.869 on in life. But no, he had KFKB, the sunshine 00:21:01.869 --> 00:21:04.789 station in the heart of the nation. We want to 00:21:04.789 --> 00:21:08.130 broadcast sunshine. That's right. Not a Dr. Billy 00:21:08.130 --> 00:21:11.869 Balls had a radio station because no good Monta 00:21:11.869 --> 00:21:15.289 Bank. had to use that word, can be without a 00:21:15.289 --> 00:21:17.569 platform. And he really did say that Sunshine 00:21:17.569 --> 00:21:21.490 Station thing. He bought a radio tower and KFKB 00:21:21.490 --> 00:21:24.390 became only the fourth commercially licensed 00:21:24.390 --> 00:21:27.650 radio station in the United States. So this dude 00:21:27.650 --> 00:21:30.130 was probably the first radio grifter to sell 00:21:30.130 --> 00:21:35.359 nonsense to dudes trying to be manly. It's such 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:39.579 a common practice now. Yeah. So he started this 00:21:39.579 --> 00:21:42.240 radio station specifically to promote his goat 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:45.279 nuts treatment. And in selling this treatment, 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:48.720 Breakley said, quote, a man is only as old as 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:51.700 his glands and his glands as old as his sex glands, 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:56.589 which is some grade A grifter nonsense. Also, 00:21:56.650 --> 00:22:00.670 like many grippers, fake Dr. Goatnads didn't 00:22:00.670 --> 00:22:03.529 shy away from using his supposed Christian faith 00:22:03.529 --> 00:22:07.190 as some sort of beacon of integrity. This isn't 00:22:07.190 --> 00:22:09.369 me taking a shot at all Christian people or anything 00:22:09.369 --> 00:22:12.029 like that, but it is always worth noting how 00:22:12.029 --> 00:22:14.869 often these charlatans use Christianity to virtue 00:22:14.869 --> 00:22:17.589 signal and to do to dupe people into thinking 00:22:17.589 --> 00:22:20.329 that they're trustworthy. Yeah. Of course, the 00:22:20.329 --> 00:22:22.410 treatment was not an easy sell to people, both 00:22:22.410 --> 00:22:24.990 because of the price, which I found some sources 00:22:24.990 --> 00:22:27.309 saying it was $700 for the treatment and others 00:22:27.309 --> 00:22:31.450 saying $750, which is a big difference in 1920s. 00:22:31.450 --> 00:22:36.650 But either way, that's over $11 ,000 today. It 00:22:36.650 --> 00:22:40.210 was also a hard sell because of putting goat 00:22:40.210 --> 00:22:43.829 balls into your sack. The treatment had not been 00:22:43.829 --> 00:22:47.180 without controversy. Brinkley began offering 00:22:47.180 --> 00:22:49.480 something that he said was even more affecting. 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:53.160 It was an even more effective revitalizing therapy. 00:22:53.500 --> 00:22:57.660 It was a medicine known as Formula 1020. It could 00:22:57.660 --> 00:23:00.299 treat erectile dysfunction and even make insane 00:23:00.299 --> 00:23:03.920 people sane again. Cool. Yeah. It was a griftalizing, 00:23:04.019 --> 00:23:07.279 fraudulizing, bullshitalizing tonic that during 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:09.900 Brinkley's highly publicized libel trial was 00:23:09.900 --> 00:23:12.819 revealed to be nothing but colored water. Nice. 00:23:12.980 --> 00:23:18.289 Yeah. So some of the problems I had with the 00:23:18.289 --> 00:23:20.630 documentary on Brinkley was that, you know, it 00:23:20.630 --> 00:23:23.710 was overly flattering toward him long after he 00:23:23.710 --> 00:23:26.470 had been exposed as a fraud. They have an interview 00:23:26.470 --> 00:23:29.690 with his wife, Minnie Brinkley, who seems to 00:23:29.690 --> 00:23:32.569 still be kind of selling the grift with, you 00:23:32.569 --> 00:23:34.569 know, clear bullshit about the efficacy of John 00:23:34.569 --> 00:23:37.109 Brinkley's clinic. And she was even bragging 00:23:37.109 --> 00:23:42.150 about how much money they had made. It's insane. 00:23:42.750 --> 00:23:46.480 But the the most important thing. The thing that 00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:49.440 I think is the most egregious about the documentary 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:52.960 is that it neglects to emphasize, well, first 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:55.180 off, neglects to emphasize how much of a fraud 00:23:55.180 --> 00:23:57.660 Brinkley was, of course, but more importantly, 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:01.740 the goat gland baby, the one, so supposedly this 00:24:01.740 --> 00:24:05.539 baby had been born to a man who was having trouble 00:24:05.539 --> 00:24:10.279 conceiving, and Brinkley stuck goat nuts inside 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:15.220 him, and then they had this baby. Right. So this 00:24:15.220 --> 00:24:17.640 is supposed to be, you know, proof of that this 00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:19.640 treatment exists. And this was the first ever 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:23.019 goat gland baby. They completely the documentary 00:24:23.019 --> 00:24:25.299 completely misses the fact that the kid's nickname 00:24:25.299 --> 00:24:33.359 was Billy. It's vital information. Yeah. Now, 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:36.000 I don't doubt that Billy's conception was a was 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.380 damn near miraculous, but that would be in spite 00:24:38.380 --> 00:24:42.519 of the goat scrote and not thanks to it. So after 00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:46.740 some. regarding his reputation as not a doctor, 00:24:46.900 --> 00:24:51.160 Brinkley invited the Kansas State Medical Review 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:54.140 Board to come watch him perform two of his transplant 00:24:54.140 --> 00:24:58.539 operations, and they watched it and revoked his 00:24:58.539 --> 00:25:04.359 license the next day. Good. Yeah. I'm just really 00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:06.640 glad that we're past all that. And we don't have 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:09.619 grifters broadcasting their nonsense male treatments 00:25:09.619 --> 00:25:12.400 to the public anymore. Yeah, never happened. 00:25:12.660 --> 00:25:17.460 Yep. Okay, maybe I spoke too soon. But at least 00:25:17.460 --> 00:25:21.779 radio grifters in this era sell real man -making 00:25:21.779 --> 00:25:24.779 products like Alex Jones. I'm not sure who that 00:25:24.779 --> 00:25:29.680 is, but he sounds pretty trustworthy. He used 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:32.240 to sell a supplement called Super Male Vitality 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:35.619 and as not to leave the ladies out. He also started 00:25:35.619 --> 00:25:39.299 selling super female vitality. Oh, good. And 00:25:39.299 --> 00:25:42.200 Jones knows that men need their own specific 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:45.779 supplement because masculinity requires its own 00:25:45.779 --> 00:25:48.920 special enhancement, right? But don't take my 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.019 word for it. Let's hear it in Alex Jones' own 00:25:51.019 --> 00:26:02.339 words. Oh, good. Wait. Did he say what? Hold 00:26:02.339 --> 00:26:08.970 on. Let me try. Let's try a different clip. Huh. 00:26:11.450 --> 00:26:15.930 But the super male vitality, I thought, would 00:26:15.930 --> 00:26:19.210 make me extra manly. If it's the same as the 00:26:19.210 --> 00:26:23.769 super female vitality, what's that supposed to 00:26:23.769 --> 00:26:25.710 mean? Well, you said there were minor differences. 00:26:26.940 --> 00:26:28.799 I bet the male one comes in blue and the female 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:31.940 one comes in pink. Yeah, plus just now remembering 00:26:31.940 --> 00:26:35.180 who Alex Jones is, I know he lies a lot. So maybe 00:26:35.180 --> 00:26:38.559 he's lying about this. Except I found the labels 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:41.279 for each of the supplements. And I found them 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.880 from an Australian Amazon seller. And they are, 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:49.930 in fact, the same thing. Alex Jones is no longer 00:26:49.930 --> 00:26:53.089 selling this supplement, likely due to legal 00:26:53.089 --> 00:26:55.750 financial reasons surrounding a huge lawsuit 00:26:55.750 --> 00:26:59.369 that he lost. But according to NPR, he did try 00:26:59.369 --> 00:27:04.970 selling supplements on Amazon long after his 00:27:04.970 --> 00:27:08.750 website store supposedly discontinued the product, 00:27:08.849 --> 00:27:13.450 which led to me trying to find out if this Amazon 00:27:13.450 --> 00:27:17.009 seller was just him in disguise. I got real suspicious 00:27:17.009 --> 00:27:20.329 about that. But I found that seller's eBay account 00:27:20.329 --> 00:27:22.509 and they don't appear to be associated with Alex 00:27:22.509 --> 00:27:24.829 Jones or InfoWars. They just sell a bunch of 00:27:24.829 --> 00:27:27.609 old shit products. I couldn't find like the same 00:27:27.609 --> 00:27:30.410 product with a different name that he's selling 00:27:30.410 --> 00:27:33.369 or anything like that. Essentially, why Jones 00:27:33.369 --> 00:27:35.690 was willing to admit that the two products are 00:27:35.690 --> 00:27:38.230 the same in that moment was that he had to clearance 00:27:38.230 --> 00:27:41.490 out his stock of supplements and the last of 00:27:41.490 --> 00:27:45.819 the super male vitality had sold out. So he had 00:27:45.819 --> 00:27:47.779 to admit that the super females, the same to 00:27:47.779 --> 00:27:50.180 try to sell the rest of those two. You could 00:27:50.180 --> 00:27:53.019 have just changed the box. No, see that's well, 00:27:53.140 --> 00:27:54.720 there was in the bot, you know, in the bottles 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:57.940 and stuff, you know? So, and I'm sure like, I'm 00:27:57.940 --> 00:28:00.900 sure there's some kind of, I know like. The supplement 00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:04.099 market is not well regulated, but I'm sure there's 00:28:04.099 --> 00:28:05.700 probably some problem with opening them up and 00:28:05.700 --> 00:28:07.180 pouring them in a different bottle or whatever. 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:09.680 But like it was the last of their supply. I don't 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:12.119 even know if he had any like empty super male 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:14.240 vitality bottles around or whatever. I don't 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.640 know. Anyway, it's still there is one point in 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:19.720 his show, too. I had to listen to a few clips. 00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:25.549 Yeah, but he does say like. You know, they're 00:28:25.549 --> 00:28:27.769 the same. It's the same product. It's, you know, 00:28:27.769 --> 00:28:30.029 just women, you know, they like the pink and, 00:28:30.049 --> 00:28:31.750 you know, they like the different colors or whatever. 00:28:31.990 --> 00:28:34.890 Sure. We want it to be pretty. Yeah, no, it was 00:28:34.890 --> 00:28:37.029 a con is what it was. They put the same thing 00:28:37.029 --> 00:28:40.690 in two different bottles. I don't know. Anyway, 00:28:40.950 --> 00:28:43.910 super male vitality is gone. Bobby, it cannot 00:28:43.910 --> 00:28:46.970 hurt us anymore. Good. Now, I should specify 00:28:46.970 --> 00:28:50.039 that there's no verifiable. evidence that super 00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:53.400 male vitality was hurting anyone and the south 00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:57.660 francisco chronicle lab tested super male vitality 00:28:57.660 --> 00:28:59.519 and found it basically to just be ineffective 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:02.400 at least for the substances that they test for 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.880 super male vitality um it's about as effective 00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:09.349 as goat goat grafts aforementioned Colored water. 00:29:09.910 --> 00:29:11.829 Listening to my favorite podcast of all time, 00:29:11.990 --> 00:29:14.710 Knowledge Fight, which has over 1 ,100 episodes, 00:29:15.009 --> 00:29:16.650 all of which are making fun of and analyzing 00:29:16.650 --> 00:29:20.250 claims from Alex Jones. It comes up sometimes 00:29:20.250 --> 00:29:22.450 that Jones would go kind of batshit after taking 00:29:22.450 --> 00:29:24.710 some of his supplements on his show, which led 00:29:24.710 --> 00:29:27.789 to me trying to find out if there were any undeclared 00:29:27.789 --> 00:29:30.809 substances in super male vitality. Specifically, 00:29:31.069 --> 00:29:34.230 there were two substances I was curious about 00:29:34.230 --> 00:29:37.130 specifically, and there wasn't actually anything 00:29:37.130 --> 00:29:40.789 found by the FBI. or anywhere else. There was 00:29:40.789 --> 00:29:42.930 a paper claiming to have detected the supplement 00:29:42.930 --> 00:29:45.829 to be contaminated with lead, but I found that 00:29:45.829 --> 00:29:48.049 claim to be somewhat dubious and at least looking 00:29:48.049 --> 00:29:51.289 into Labdor, a company that tests various products 00:29:51.289 --> 00:29:54.470 for drug and chemical contaminants, found that 00:29:54.470 --> 00:29:58.369 super male vitality and super female vitality 00:29:58.369 --> 00:30:01.910 had heavy metal levels that were below safe levels 00:30:01.910 --> 00:30:07.049 determined by California's Prop 65. So not really. 00:30:07.549 --> 00:30:11.069 any serious lead contaminants that was found. 00:30:11.369 --> 00:30:15.849 Labdor also noted that the daily dose of 1 .25 00:30:15.849 --> 00:30:18.930 mils of the supplement wasn't even enough volume 00:30:18.930 --> 00:30:21.789 to contain biologically significant levels of 00:30:21.789 --> 00:30:25.759 the listed ingredients. Oh my god. What I did 00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:27.779 find, though, is that there were a lot of male 00:30:27.779 --> 00:30:31.220 supplements, male vitality supplements, not specifically 00:30:31.220 --> 00:30:34.720 sold by Alex Jones, that did contain one or two 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:38.099 specific undeclared drug ingredients, namely 00:30:38.099 --> 00:30:40.980 sildenafil and tidalafil, the active ingredients 00:30:40.980 --> 00:30:44.279 in the erectile dysfunction drugs Viagra and 00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:48.660 Cialis. Unfortunately, knowing how dude brains 00:30:48.660 --> 00:30:51.480 work, this would be a selling point for these 00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:55.819 products. Yeah. So. I also know it wouldn't do 00:30:55.819 --> 00:30:58.500 much good to emphasize the risks being taken 00:30:58.500 --> 00:31:00.480 when you take medications that weren't prescribed 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.099 to you, so I will read something that is more 00:31:03.099 --> 00:31:05.119 likely to get their attention. This is a quote 00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:08.680 from the Annals of Indian Psychiatry. Quote, 00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.279 one of the most concerning psychological effects 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:14.059 of sildenafil is the potential for dependency, 00:31:14.299 --> 00:31:17.750 particularly when the drug is used recreationally, 00:31:17.750 --> 00:31:21.390 or without medical necessity. Men who use sildenafil 00:31:21.390 --> 00:31:23.769 to enhance sexual performance may begin to feel 00:31:23.769 --> 00:31:26.150 that they cannot perform sexually without the 00:31:26.150 --> 00:31:29.789 aid of the drug, leading to psychological reliance. 00:31:29.910 --> 00:31:33.430 Over time, sildenafil may come to be viewed as 00:31:33.430 --> 00:31:36.150 an essential part of sexual encounters, regardless 00:31:36.150 --> 00:31:39.769 of whether ED is present. This psychological 00:31:39.769 --> 00:31:42.849 dependence can take various forms. For some individuals, 00:31:43.009 --> 00:31:45.369 the anxiety of not achieving the same level of 00:31:45.369 --> 00:31:49.109 sexual performance without the sildenafil can 00:31:49.109 --> 00:31:52.029 become overwhelming. Men may feel insecure about 00:31:52.029 --> 00:31:54.190 their sexual abilities, believing that they are 00:31:54.190 --> 00:31:56.289 only capable of satisfying their partner when 00:31:56.289 --> 00:31:59.029 using the drug. This can lead to a cycle of anxiety 00:31:59.029 --> 00:32:02.569 and reliance where the individual feels increasing 00:32:02.569 --> 00:32:05.819 pressure. to continue using sildenafil to meet 00:32:05.819 --> 00:32:10.220 sexual expectations. Moreover, this over -reliance 00:32:10.220 --> 00:32:12.660 can lead to an exacerbation of performance anxiety. 00:32:13.019 --> 00:32:15.759 When individuals become conditioned to rely on 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:18.779 sildenafil for sexual performance, they may struggle 00:32:18.779 --> 00:32:23.500 with erectile dysfunction in its absence, even 00:32:23.500 --> 00:32:27.880 if they initially had no issues. Interesting. 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:32.240 Yeah. So if you want to risk not being able to 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.480 get boners again, Yeah. Go ahead. Take those 00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.480 supplements. Um, I figured that that's more likely 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.799 to get dude's attention than, uh, than, you know, 00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:43.140 the fact that it's dangerous to take those medications 00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:45.259 if you weren't prescribed them. Well, you know, 00:32:45.259 --> 00:32:49.039 you get your priorities, right? Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:53.779 I, I, it's on. But that's probably how dude brains 00:32:53.779 --> 00:32:58.180 are going to work. Yeah. So, well, a lot of masculinizing 00:32:58.180 --> 00:33:00.500 products or products sold as male enhancement 00:33:00.500 --> 00:33:03.539 contains sildenafil and tidalafil. Luckily, super 00:33:03.539 --> 00:33:07.039 male vitality did not. What is more likely, which 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:10.339 is likely more dangerous, is Alex Jones selling 00:33:10.339 --> 00:33:14.420 fake coronavirus treatments to people, to his 00:33:14.420 --> 00:33:17.099 listeners. And he had received a cease and desist 00:33:17.099 --> 00:33:18.799 from the New York attorney general for that. 00:33:19.769 --> 00:33:23.930 Yeah. Yeah, during the pandemic, coronavirus 00:33:23.930 --> 00:33:27.630 treatments briefly overshadowed male enhancement 00:33:27.630 --> 00:33:31.190 in the bullshit supplement market. But you know 00:33:31.190 --> 00:33:33.829 what, Bobby? I don't fall for this nonsense. 00:33:34.250 --> 00:33:38.210 Good. I stick with natural masculinizing tactics. 00:33:38.650 --> 00:33:41.589 When it comes to that, there's only one king. 00:33:42.069 --> 00:33:48.019 The liver king. Okay. Turns out Robert did an 00:33:48.019 --> 00:33:50.599 episode on this guy, too. And I'm extra excited 00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.119 to listen to that episode because a friend of 00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:55.279 our podcast is on that episode. Oh, yeah? Yeah. 00:33:55.579 --> 00:33:58.160 Our buddy Dr. Kaveh Hoda is on that one. Nice. 00:33:58.259 --> 00:34:00.480 Yeah. For listeners, if you want to hear your 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:03.480 humble host, me, as a guest on Kaveh's podcast, 00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:07.099 it's episode 297 of The House of Pod. I'm on 00:34:07.099 --> 00:34:09.400 there along with hepatologist Dr. Elliot Tapper. 00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:14.139 So it was me and two hepatologists. Yeah. one 00:34:14.139 --> 00:34:17.280 of these things is not like the others. One of 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:20.300 these things doesn't belong. No, I had a lot 00:34:20.300 --> 00:34:23.539 of fun being on this show. But for the record, 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:26.460 I think that being a hepatologist makes Kaveh 00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:30.420 and Dr. Tapper true liver kings, unlike our self 00:34:30.420 --> 00:34:34.920 -proclaimed liver king, Brian Johnson. So Johnson 00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.639 believes... Brian Johnson. Brian Johnson. Yeah. 00:34:37.699 --> 00:34:40.900 We worked with Brian. Yeah, that's right. Shit, 00:34:40.940 --> 00:34:43.480 we worked with Brian. Just getting on the show. 00:34:44.860 --> 00:34:47.440 You know, real quick, what's a, what's a, what's 00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:49.800 a, a hepatologist, herpetologist? Hepatologist. 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.199 Yeah, liver doctor. Okay. Yeah. Oh, specifically 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.400 the liver? Yeah. I mean, a gastro, like, Kavi's 00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:57.659 a gastroenterologist and he's a hepatologist, 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.869 like, specializes in the liver. Gotcha. So, Brian 00:35:00.869 --> 00:35:04.030 Johnson. That's right, our old co -worker. Johnson 00:35:04.030 --> 00:35:06.269 believes that men are going through depression 00:35:06.269 --> 00:35:08.750 because they don't have enough manly figures 00:35:08.750 --> 00:35:11.469 telling them that they need to be manlier and 00:35:11.469 --> 00:35:15.269 how to be manlier. Sure. Okay. I think he might 00:35:15.269 --> 00:35:17.329 have something backwards there, but whatever. 00:35:18.590 --> 00:35:21.730 Something I want to be forthright with is that 00:35:21.730 --> 00:35:26.969 a lot of grifts are sold based on what sounds 00:35:26.969 --> 00:35:30.909 right. It sounds right that men are weaker today 00:35:30.909 --> 00:35:34.409 because it fits the stereotypes of like kids 00:35:34.409 --> 00:35:38.949 these days. You know, it sounds right that vaccines 00:35:38.949 --> 00:35:41.849 cause autism because kids are vaccinated right 00:35:41.849 --> 00:35:44.050 around the time that diagnoses usually happen. 00:35:44.829 --> 00:35:47.710 The liver king, Brian Johnson, was selling an 00:35:47.710 --> 00:35:52.329 idea that sounded right about manliness. He is 00:35:52.329 --> 00:35:55.429 a massively muscular guy with a huge beard. So 00:35:55.429 --> 00:35:58.650 he embodies the classic idea of what masculinity 00:35:58.650 --> 00:36:03.070 supposedly is. And his message is to follow what 00:36:03.070 --> 00:36:07.309 he calls a primal lifestyle. You see, it sounds 00:36:07.309 --> 00:36:09.849 right that we should eat more like our ancestors 00:36:09.849 --> 00:36:13.769 because their diet must be how our bodies evolved 00:36:13.769 --> 00:36:17.909 to survive. It sounds right and it's a simple 00:36:17.909 --> 00:36:21.599 idea, so it's easy to sell. Right. Notice I have 00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:24.639 not called what he does a grift. I'm just saying 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:28.340 he's selling an idea that sounds right. But, 00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:32.900 Bobby, manliness doesn't come from foraging berries 00:36:32.900 --> 00:36:35.539 or eating bugs. So if that's what you were thinking 00:36:35.539 --> 00:36:39.559 with a primal lifestyle, no, it comes from eating 00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:43.739 nothing but meat. Raw meat. Because salads don't 00:36:43.739 --> 00:36:47.119 sound manly. And cooking meat destroys all those 00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:49.619 delicious nutrients that made our ancestors so 00:36:49.619 --> 00:36:52.880 masculine, like E. coli and parasitic worms. 00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:59.320 You see, it sounds right that we should eat like 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.940 our primal ancestors, which is probably why Alex 00:37:02.940 --> 00:37:06.159 Jones used to sell bone broth. And it sounds 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.969 right. that the way to eat primally is to tear 00:37:09.969 --> 00:37:12.889 into the meat without cooking it. It sounds right, 00:37:13.050 --> 00:37:15.289 and more importantly, it sounds like an easy 00:37:15.289 --> 00:37:20.530 answer. Building muscle requires work. Getting 00:37:20.530 --> 00:37:23.889 large and muscular requires work. But effort 00:37:23.889 --> 00:37:25.750 is not always an appealing answer. There needs 00:37:25.750 --> 00:37:29.190 to be a magic fix, like eating raw meat or taking 00:37:29.190 --> 00:37:32.630 a masculinizing supplement. At least Johnson 00:37:32.630 --> 00:37:35.489 isn't selling us some bottle of nonsense to take, 00:37:35.570 --> 00:37:40.170 right? Introducing King. King is an integral 00:37:40.170 --> 00:37:43.170 part of an advanced athletic training and nutrition 00:37:43.170 --> 00:37:47.070 regimen that supports testicular function, hormone 00:37:47.070 --> 00:37:51.650 health, strength, and libido. King combines nature's 00:37:51.650 --> 00:37:55.349 most nutrient -dense superfoods to support manhood, 00:37:55.429 --> 00:37:59.610 virility, and the fittest version of you. Bobby, 00:37:59.650 --> 00:38:01.690 are you ready to hear what these superfoods are? 00:38:01.969 --> 00:38:04.130 Yeah, what are they? Yeah, all right. Now, usually 00:38:04.130 --> 00:38:06.030 when I hear superfoods, you know, they're... 00:38:06.269 --> 00:38:09.269 what like the beef the beet market is like yeah 00:38:09.269 --> 00:38:11.409 it's slow you know so they need to sell more 00:38:11.409 --> 00:38:14.210 beets or like suddenly blueberries have a special 00:38:14.210 --> 00:38:16.610 antioxidant or whatever you know that's usually 00:38:16.610 --> 00:38:18.769 what i think of when i think of superfoods no 00:38:18.769 --> 00:38:23.329 no no that's not manly these superfoods are beef 00:38:23.329 --> 00:38:29.809 heart bone marrow liver and nuts beef testicles 00:38:31.019 --> 00:38:33.659 Always with the testicles with these guys. Well, 00:38:33.739 --> 00:38:37.619 it's because balls make men manly, and it sounds 00:38:37.619 --> 00:38:40.619 right that eating balls must make men manlier. 00:38:40.820 --> 00:38:42.619 Well, you are what you eat, right? That's right. 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.500 So if you want to be a great big testicle, I 00:38:45.500 --> 00:38:48.000 love how he just keeps swinging back the testicles. 00:38:48.619 --> 00:38:52.840 And who could argue with the results? The liver 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:56.920 king is huge, possibly due to his diet of raw 00:38:56.920 --> 00:38:59.670 meat and steroids. That's right. Nothing but 00:38:59.670 --> 00:39:02.969 raw meat and steroids. Yeah, it looks like in 00:39:02.969 --> 00:39:05.630 2022, Johnson admitted that he had been using 00:39:05.630 --> 00:39:11.230 steroids. No. This led to some lawsuits accusing 00:39:11.230 --> 00:39:15.349 Johnson of being misleading. He is super manly, 00:39:15.349 --> 00:39:16.989 though. He's still super manly, though, Bobby. 00:39:17.090 --> 00:39:20.110 In fact, he's going to fight Joe Rogan. Yeah. 00:39:21.099 --> 00:39:23.199 Liver King Brian Johnson, with no martial arts 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.539 training whatsoever, challenged Brazilian jiu 00:39:25.539 --> 00:39:28.159 -jitsu black belt Joe Rogan to a one -on -one 00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.019 match. Hold on. When's this going to be on? We've 00:39:30.019 --> 00:39:34.280 got to do this. We could do a live recording 00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.019 for the podcast. I will say, the Liver King's 00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:40.000 huge. Brian Johnson is huge. He's a big, muscular 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:44.820 guy. But Joe Rogan is a... trained martial artists 00:39:44.820 --> 00:39:48.280 so i my money's on rogan oh yeah being big doesn't 00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:51.099 mean anything yeah yeah it's true you're a better 00:39:51.099 --> 00:39:53.599 target it's true i watched when i was in china 00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:56.219 i watched a kung a match between a kung fu guy 00:39:56.219 --> 00:39:59.679 and a sumo wrestler and the kung fu guy won yeah 00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:02.119 um sumo wrestler tapped out when the kung fu 00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:04.239 guy was punching him in the head yeah um yeah 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:06.219 i think a kung fu guy was punching me in the 00:40:06.219 --> 00:40:10.340 head i'd tap out too oh yeah yeah um but uh so 00:40:10.340 --> 00:40:15.920 um Liver King, he documented his travels to meet 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.179 up with Rogan. This led all the way up to Johnson 00:40:20.179 --> 00:40:23.400 being arrested because Joe Rogan was not aware 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:32.820 of this fight. The two men do not know each other. 00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:36.559 The police caught wind of Johnson wanting to 00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:39.079 fight. discovered that johnson was traveling 00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:42.179 to rogan's hometown and the cops asked rogan 00:40:42.179 --> 00:40:44.599 if he was in on this rogan essentially said i 00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:46.500 don't fucking know that dude and agreed to press 00:40:46.500 --> 00:40:49.019 charges so he was just gonna walk up to his door 00:40:49.019 --> 00:40:50.579 and knock and like beat the shit out of him in 00:40:50.579 --> 00:40:53.239 the doorway i thought you were gonna announce 00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:54.800 like a pay -per -view match or something well 00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:58.099 joe rogan was not engaging with them um so essentially 00:40:58.099 --> 00:41:00.920 yeah essentially what what had happened was that 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:06.019 i i think that rogan touched on uh The fact that 00:41:06.019 --> 00:41:11.519 Brian Johnson had been using steroids. I think 00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:13.679 Joe Rogan mentioned that in his podcast. And 00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:16.099 Johnson kind of blames Rogan for the backlash 00:41:16.099 --> 00:41:18.519 that he received for doing it. I mean, I kind 00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:20.739 of blame Johnson's own behavior. A little bit, 00:41:20.860 --> 00:41:23.360 yeah. But he called him out on it. Yeah. It's 00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:26.960 clearly Joe Rogan's fault. Yeah, right. And so 00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:30.079 Johnson was charged with terroristic threat. 00:41:30.929 --> 00:41:33.309 On November 12th last year, the charges were 00:41:33.309 --> 00:41:36.250 dropped, and 13 days later, Johnson posted another 00:41:36.250 --> 00:41:38.590 rant similar to those that led to him being charged 00:41:38.590 --> 00:41:41.289 in the first place. Oh, my God. Johnson still 00:41:41.289 --> 00:41:46.070 wants to fight Rogan and said that his previous 00:41:46.070 --> 00:41:48.429 call -outs were not a threat, but a challenge 00:41:48.429 --> 00:41:51.849 to a professional fight, adding an eyebrow -raising 00:41:51.849 --> 00:41:54.849 phrase, you can't run forever. Eventually, you'll 00:41:54.849 --> 00:41:58.309 have to say something. You can't run forever 00:41:58.309 --> 00:42:01.769 thing. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah. Now, there 00:42:01.769 --> 00:42:06.510 are signs of toxic masculinity like this in a 00:42:06.510 --> 00:42:09.869 lot of places. But that doesn't mean that there's 00:42:09.869 --> 00:42:12.369 anything wrong with wanting to be manly or wanting 00:42:12.369 --> 00:42:14.710 to embody some of the things that have been classically 00:42:14.710 --> 00:42:18.050 considered manly. Big muscles, hardworking, things 00:42:18.050 --> 00:42:19.429 like that. There's nothing wrong with any of 00:42:19.429 --> 00:42:21.349 that. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with any of 00:42:21.349 --> 00:42:23.710 that. But anyone seeking ways to be stronger 00:42:23.710 --> 00:42:26.210 or more masculine should keep in mind that as 00:42:26.210 --> 00:42:29.630 men, feeling inadequate leads us vulnerable to 00:42:29.630 --> 00:42:32.630 grifters. A lot of times unrealistic standards 00:42:32.630 --> 00:42:35.030 of masculinity are put on display for the sake 00:42:35.030 --> 00:42:37.909 of playing us all for chumps. And a lot of what 00:42:37.909 --> 00:42:40.929 we think make us more manly are based on fiction 00:42:40.929 --> 00:42:44.510 and fantasy. A lot of times chasing after supposedly 00:42:44.510 --> 00:42:47.829 manly attributes can lead in the opposite direction 00:42:47.829 --> 00:42:51.210 of the desired effects. Being tough about how 00:42:51.210 --> 00:42:54.210 little sleep you get can make you weaker both 00:42:54.210 --> 00:42:57.150 mentally and physically. Buying ineffective male 00:42:57.150 --> 00:42:59.889 supplements. makes you weaker financially with 00:42:59.889 --> 00:43:03.130 nothing to show for it. Taking sexual enhancement 00:43:03.130 --> 00:43:05.190 products can lead to psychological dependence. 00:43:05.829 --> 00:43:08.630 Eating raw meat exposes you to the risk of diseases 00:43:08.630 --> 00:43:10.610 that can rob you of your energy and even your 00:43:10.610 --> 00:43:13.309 life. I think one of the most important lessons 00:43:13.309 --> 00:43:17.070 to learn here is that the most tremendously demonstrating 00:43:17.070 --> 00:43:21.889 masculinizing effect was that of a placebo, which 00:43:21.889 --> 00:43:24.110 I believe suggests that most of us have a lot 00:43:24.110 --> 00:43:26.230 more energy and strength inside than we realize. 00:43:27.190 --> 00:43:29.369 We don't need bullshit supplements or to eat 00:43:29.369 --> 00:43:32.269 raw meat or inject ourselves with testicles to 00:43:32.269 --> 00:43:39.610 find out. So, Bobby, what do you think? I think 00:43:39.610 --> 00:43:43.269 you shouldn't buy stuff from the internet. Just 00:43:43.269 --> 00:43:45.710 anything? Pretty much, yeah. Do your research. 00:43:45.909 --> 00:43:48.349 Just give up on it. Just go to the grocery store. 00:43:48.449 --> 00:43:51.989 It's probably fine. It's on a shelf. It's been 00:43:51.989 --> 00:43:56.190 approved. Yeah, my thing is that if it sounds... 00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:59.559 like a magic bullet or if it sounds like an easy 00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:04.059 fix yeah or if it sounds like you know why haven't 00:44:04.059 --> 00:44:06.099 i heard of this before it's probably because 00:44:06.099 --> 00:44:08.579 it's bullshit yeah it's too good to be true yeah 00:44:08.579 --> 00:44:12.380 yeah it's probably bullshit don't i i don't think 00:44:12.380 --> 00:44:15.320 that there's any masculinizing supplements out 00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:19.119 there i don't doubt that people believe that 00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:22.239 they've received uh benefits from some of these 00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:25.500 things but just like Earlier, you know, the guy 00:44:25.500 --> 00:44:28.039 injecting himself with testicles, he thought 00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.519 that that was really working and he was able 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:33.340 to lift more and he peed further and stuff, you 00:44:33.340 --> 00:44:35.800 know. And I think that I think a lot of, you 00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.760 know, and most people who look into the history 00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:41.719 of that and every scientist who looked into the 00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:45.099 efficacy of injecting testicles and even finding 00:44:45.099 --> 00:44:48.659 testosterone in testicles, anybody who looked 00:44:48.659 --> 00:44:51.360 into that found. that it was most likely to be 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:53.840 a placebo effect. And so I don't doubt that there 00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:55.579 are people who think that they've gotten a lot 00:44:55.579 --> 00:44:58.340 out of some of these supplements and, and in 00:44:58.340 --> 00:45:01.400 healthcare, a lot of times what we say is like, 00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:03.300 if it seems to be working for somebody, don't 00:45:03.300 --> 00:45:07.019 take that from them. Right. But I would also 00:45:07.019 --> 00:45:11.760 recommend not relying on these things. If you 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:16.909 haven't tried anything, just. it's it talk to 00:45:16.909 --> 00:45:19.530 a doctor you know if it's a serious issue don't 00:45:19.530 --> 00:45:22.690 don't buy these dumb man supplements and and 00:45:22.690 --> 00:45:26.269 be suspicious of anything telling you how to 00:45:26.269 --> 00:45:28.809 be manly you know i think the best way to be 00:45:28.809 --> 00:45:31.690 manly is just be happy with who you are you know 00:45:31.690 --> 00:45:34.789 um if you want to be more masculine you know 00:45:35.230 --> 00:45:37.889 do some masculine things and healthy masculine 00:45:37.889 --> 00:45:40.289 things, you know, lift some weights, but not 00:45:40.289 --> 00:45:42.369 too much. Go lift some weights. Yeah. Yeah. Don't 00:45:42.369 --> 00:45:44.710 give yourself a hernia. Don't tear a muscle. 00:45:44.750 --> 00:45:48.429 Yeah. Anyway, thank you all so much for listening. 00:45:48.869 --> 00:45:50.449 Goodbye, everybody. Bye.