WEBVTT 00:00:01.469 --> 00:00:03.750 Hello everybody, thank you all so much for listening 00:00:03.750 --> 00:00:05.830 to Mamingless, where we look into the spread 00:00:05.830 --> 00:00:07.790 of internet nonsense and try to understand what 00:00:07.790 --> 00:00:10.750 in the hell it all means. I am your humble host, 00:00:10.830 --> 00:00:15.910 Nate, and uh, should I invite Bobby? I mean, 00:00:15.970 --> 00:00:19.449 sure, why not? You didn't say your line! I didn't. 00:00:19.489 --> 00:00:23.289 We had a bit, remember? Nope. Don't remember, 00:00:23.469 --> 00:00:25.730 I'm sorry. You want to restart? Refresh my memory, 00:00:25.929 --> 00:00:29.030 let's start over. Too late, I'm in. Remember? 00:00:29.710 --> 00:00:32.469 Yeah, we talked about that. Yeah, I don't remember 00:00:32.469 --> 00:00:35.609 that. My memory is very bad. Anyway, I've got 00:00:35.609 --> 00:00:42.549 a meme for you to look at. So, Bobby. Yeah. Discombobulated. 00:00:43.570 --> 00:00:47.270 Bobby Shark. Oh, God. I have a meme for you to 00:00:47.270 --> 00:00:50.670 look at. I have a meme for you to look at. That's 00:00:50.670 --> 00:00:54.369 it. I'm done. Thank you all so much for listening. 00:00:54.909 --> 00:01:00.630 No, I have a meme. You know, as soon as I put 00:01:00.630 --> 00:01:02.689 the Bobby Shark thing into the script, I'm like, 00:01:02.729 --> 00:01:04.430 she's going to hate that one. Yep, you're right. 00:01:06.489 --> 00:01:08.629 So I have a meme for you to look at, and I would 00:01:08.629 --> 00:01:11.569 like you to explain it to our listeners. Tell 00:01:11.569 --> 00:01:14.109 them what it looks like and how it reads. I'll 00:01:14.109 --> 00:01:19.469 do my best. Uh -oh. Okay, so this is a Dan Clancy. 00:01:19.629 --> 00:01:21.269 Okay, I'm not familiar with that person. Anyway, 00:01:21.370 --> 00:01:23.950 Dan Clancy looks like he's sitting on the Simpsons 00:01:23.950 --> 00:01:28.719 bus, and underneath him it says, Chuckles, you're 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:35.640 in danger. All right. So this is a meme that 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:40.000 some listeners may recognize right away, the 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:43.260 format of this meme. It is based on the Simpsons 00:01:43.260 --> 00:01:49.099 Family Guy crossover episode where Ralph Wiggum 00:01:49.099 --> 00:01:52.980 is on a bus and the bus is about to crash. In 00:01:52.980 --> 00:01:56.200 typical Ralph Wiggum fashion, he giggles and 00:01:56.200 --> 00:02:00.980 says, I'm in danger. So, you know, clearly blissfully 00:02:00.980 --> 00:02:05.079 unaware of what being in danger means, but recognizing 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:08.139 that there's danger. Because of this kind of 00:02:08.139 --> 00:02:11.900 juxtaposition between the reaction and the situation, 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.979 this meme is often used by people who don't realize 00:02:14.979 --> 00:02:18.539 what kind of trouble that they're in. Or seem 00:02:18.539 --> 00:02:23.099 to not take their situation too seriously. Now, 00:02:23.139 --> 00:02:25.479 the difference here is instead of saying I'm 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:28.520 in danger, Dan Clancy says you're in danger. 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:31.460 Right. And there is a reason for that. And I 00:02:31.460 --> 00:02:33.340 think it will become clear by the end of this 00:02:33.340 --> 00:02:37.300 episode. Okay. Now, I have another image for 00:02:37.300 --> 00:02:42.449 you to look at. This one. You won't have to describe 00:02:42.449 --> 00:02:44.770 to people. I'll just kind of explain what it 00:02:44.770 --> 00:02:49.409 is. So that image is of a Twitch streamer known 00:02:49.409 --> 00:02:54.310 as Emeru. And she is looking a little bit angry 00:02:54.310 --> 00:02:57.110 with her finger up in the air. This image has 00:02:57.110 --> 00:02:59.930 become kind of iconic because of a situation 00:02:59.930 --> 00:03:01.949 that happened in October last year that I will 00:03:01.949 --> 00:03:05.740 explain here shortly. Before we get too into 00:03:05.740 --> 00:03:09.039 the weeds here, I do want to preface that researching 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:11.240 this episode began with the girl in the picture 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:14.719 back in October last year. But what I ended up 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:18.020 finding was a cavalcade of bullshit. We will 00:03:18.020 --> 00:03:19.580 be talking about this girl and what happened 00:03:19.580 --> 00:03:21.780 to her, but the real episode will be the bullshit 00:03:21.780 --> 00:03:24.979 we find along the way. So the girl in this image 00:03:24.979 --> 00:03:28.479 is Emily Beth Shunk, a Twitch streamer better 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:32.289 known by her online handle Emeru. Her fans often 00:03:32.289 --> 00:03:36.349 refer to her as Emmy for short. I am not a fan, 00:03:36.409 --> 00:03:39.770 and accordingly, for simplicity, I'm just going 00:03:39.770 --> 00:03:43.250 to refer to her as Emily going forward. This 00:03:43.250 --> 00:03:46.449 image of Emily is a still from a video taken 00:03:46.449 --> 00:03:49.590 after an infuriating event that occurred at TwitchCon 00:03:49.590 --> 00:03:54.430 2025 on October 17th. Bobby, I'm going to show 00:03:54.430 --> 00:03:56.610 you a video of what happened, and I would like 00:03:56.610 --> 00:03:58.969 you to do your best to narrate it for our listeners. 00:03:59.289 --> 00:04:03.050 Oh, gosh. Okay. Okay, let's see. We got a group 00:04:03.050 --> 00:04:05.050 of people. This is TwitchCon, you said? Yeah. 00:04:05.930 --> 00:04:08.009 Okay, there's some people on stage, it looks 00:04:08.009 --> 00:04:11.750 like. What? He just, was he trying to kiss her? 00:04:11.789 --> 00:04:13.889 What was he doing? Yeah, yeah. This guy just 00:04:13.889 --> 00:04:16.009 came up and tried to kiss this girl on, was that 00:04:16.009 --> 00:04:18.990 Emmy? That was Emmy, yeah. This video was posted 00:04:18.990 --> 00:04:21.649 on Twitter by user Bacon Crumbs on the day that 00:04:21.649 --> 00:04:24.189 this event happened. It was at about 8 .21 p 00:04:24.189 --> 00:04:27.689 .m. this was posted. It depicts Emily about 20 00:04:27.689 --> 00:04:30.230 to 30 minutes into her meet and greet when a 00:04:30.230 --> 00:04:32.910 large man approaches very quickly and appears 00:04:32.910 --> 00:04:35.329 to try to kiss her. She pulls away from this 00:04:35.329 --> 00:04:38.829 assault. Then a security guard shoves the man 00:04:38.829 --> 00:04:41.069 out of the way and walks him away from Emily 00:04:41.069 --> 00:04:43.290 as she appears to be shaken by the situation. 00:04:43.589 --> 00:04:45.870 She is then walked backstage by another woman. 00:04:46.569 --> 00:04:48.930 There are some very glaring and obvious problems 00:04:48.930 --> 00:04:51.470 with the situation. Primarily, how was this man 00:04:51.470 --> 00:04:54.149 able to cross the barrier and get to this girl? 00:04:54.810 --> 00:04:57.610 How was he allowed to walk past the line of fans 00:04:57.610 --> 00:05:00.290 with his aggressive gait? As Emily later put 00:05:00.290 --> 00:05:03.470 it, he was like walking with a purpose. Regardless 00:05:03.470 --> 00:05:05.589 of how you look at it, and regardless of the 00:05:05.589 --> 00:05:07.649 details going forward, this is a major fuck -up 00:05:07.649 --> 00:05:09.889 by Twitch. This is a major fuck -up by the event, 00:05:10.089 --> 00:05:12.550 and this is a major fuck -up by the staff and 00:05:12.550 --> 00:05:14.430 by the security that should have stopped this 00:05:14.430 --> 00:05:16.629 from happening. There are many reasons besides 00:05:16.629 --> 00:05:19.529 the obvious why this is such an inexcusable situation. 00:05:20.829 --> 00:05:22.990 We will be addressing many of the mistakes and 00:05:22.990 --> 00:05:26.149 missteps by Twitch and the con staff, but seeing 00:05:26.149 --> 00:05:27.930 as a lot of that has already been covered ad 00:05:27.930 --> 00:05:30.209 nauseum by other videos, what I will be mostly 00:05:30.209 --> 00:05:32.970 focusing on is how much misinformation and intentional 00:05:32.970 --> 00:05:36.209 bullshit was spread as things unfolded. And, 00:05:36.250 --> 00:05:38.930 like diarrhea on parchment paper, the shit spread 00:05:38.930 --> 00:05:46.860 quickly. Almost immediately, a response showed 00:05:46.860 --> 00:05:49.300 up in the comments, and it was showing this video, 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:51.779 and I would like you to describe this one as 00:05:51.779 --> 00:05:55.519 you're seeing it. Okay, so we're back at TwitchCon. 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:58.959 He just pulled... It looks like he pulled out 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:02.180 a pocket knife or something. I can't tell what 00:06:02.180 --> 00:06:06.620 he's pulling out. I don't know. It looks like 00:06:06.620 --> 00:06:09.100 a weapon of some kind. I don't know. That's a 00:06:09.100 --> 00:06:12.060 bad video. Yeah, yeah. But he's definitely pulling 00:06:12.060 --> 00:06:14.459 something out. Looking at it in a threatening 00:06:14.459 --> 00:06:20.300 manner. Yeah, yeah. So a user posted this zoomed 00:06:20.300 --> 00:06:22.720 in and slowed down clip of the video. And, of 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:24.139 course, people started talking about how the 00:06:24.139 --> 00:06:26.839 guy had a knife. If you watch the video closely, 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:28.879 it appears that the guy did not have a knife 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:30.959 and that he actually took the pen from Emily. 00:06:31.660 --> 00:06:34.540 So he took the pen that she had with her out 00:06:34.540 --> 00:06:37.720 of her hand as he tried to kiss her. Of course, 00:06:37.740 --> 00:06:39.439 the person who shared this video shared it with 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:42.069 this inquisitive emoji. He's not saying what 00:06:42.069 --> 00:06:43.829 the man's holding, but the implication that it's 00:06:43.829 --> 00:06:46.110 a weapon is obvious. It looked like it, yeah. 00:06:46.730 --> 00:06:48.709 Presumably, the person who posted this video 00:06:48.709 --> 00:06:51.050 is the one who edited the clip, since I didn't 00:06:51.050 --> 00:06:52.829 see it anywhere else, and it was on the comments 00:06:52.829 --> 00:06:55.350 of the original posting of the video. I find 00:06:55.350 --> 00:06:57.149 it difficult to imagine that this person could 00:06:57.149 --> 00:06:59.350 have edited this clip without noticing that this 00:06:59.350 --> 00:07:02.410 is unlikely to be a weapon. I'm using some speculation 00:07:02.410 --> 00:07:04.329 when I say this, but I have to imagine that this 00:07:04.329 --> 00:07:07.050 clip was made and posted purely for engagement 00:07:07.050 --> 00:07:09.779 bait. And that the person posting it fucking 00:07:09.779 --> 00:07:12.160 knew the item being held by the assailant was 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:15.259 innocuous. This kind of irresponsible playing 00:07:15.259 --> 00:07:17.279 around with the situation, acting intentionally 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:19.079 ignorant about what's happening in the video, 00:07:19.180 --> 00:07:21.699 does nobody any good and only muddies the waters 00:07:21.699 --> 00:07:26.319 of an unfolding situation. There is no indication 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:29.060 that the assailant was carrying a weapon. And 00:07:29.060 --> 00:07:31.579 at the time that all this was posted, no law 00:07:31.579 --> 00:07:34.540 enforcement, including the San Diego Police Department, 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:36.779 had put out any statement. And neither Twitch 00:07:36.779 --> 00:07:38.839 nor the venue had put out any statement of arrest. 00:07:39.620 --> 00:07:43.060 But, Bobby, the Internet is 10 times faster than 00:07:43.060 --> 00:07:45.879 the police. And as we know doing this show, the 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.639 Internet is also right 100 % of the time. Oh, 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:50.259 yeah. It never fails. Yeah. I don't know why 00:07:50.259 --> 00:07:53.790 we even have a podcast. In fact, Internet sleuths 00:07:53.790 --> 00:07:57.529 knew who the assailant was. A rumor that a bodyguard 00:07:57.529 --> 00:08:00.990 for musician David Anthony Burke, known as D4VD, 00:08:01.170 --> 00:08:05.370 this musician, apparently his bodyguard was arrested 00:08:05.370 --> 00:08:09.250 shortly after the assault took place. Most outlets 00:08:09.250 --> 00:08:11.730 that were covering this avoided mentioning this 00:08:11.730 --> 00:08:14.009 bodyguard when talking about the sexual assault 00:08:14.009 --> 00:08:17.600 on Emily. However. Some articles did mention 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:19.959 the timing of the bodyguard's arrest without 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:23.160 assuming a definite connection to Emily's situation. 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:27.920 So I'm not going to go too in the details of 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:31.500 this because this led me to another rabbit hole 00:08:31.500 --> 00:08:33.740 that will end up being its own episode that's 00:08:33.740 --> 00:08:38.500 not actually related to this situation. But the 00:08:38.500 --> 00:09:07.740 guy who supposedly got arrested. Um, now. This 00:09:07.740 --> 00:09:10.759 guy, his name is Marky Nextdoor. He goes by Marky 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:14.679 Nextdoor. And he was at TwitchCon at the time 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:20.220 in question. But first off, Marky Nextdoor was 00:09:20.220 --> 00:09:24.759 not the person in the video. He was not arrested. 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:27.580 And some of the news outlets, and I put that 00:09:27.580 --> 00:09:30.840 in quotes, news outlets, changed the wording 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:35.820 to say that Marky was questioned by police after. 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:42.059 If he were David's bodyguard, he may be questioned 00:09:42.059 --> 00:09:47.019 about a situation wherein a girl close to David 00:09:47.019 --> 00:09:51.179 was found dead in the frunk of his Tesla. Yeah. 00:09:51.419 --> 00:09:54.179 So maybe police were questioning him about that. 00:09:54.379 --> 00:09:59.679 Maybe. Yeah. The problem, though, is that Markie's 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:02.299 not David's bodyguard. And at the time of the 00:10:02.299 --> 00:10:04.559 event of that girl being found, he had never 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:07.279 even heard of David. Some people on the internet 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:10.360 ended up connecting him as David's bodyguard, 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:14.399 which there's no basis in fact regarding that. 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:19.940 And for some reason, people are trying to implicate 00:10:19.940 --> 00:10:24.039 him in this as well. Now, despite the fact, despite 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:27.720 all this information being very easily available, 00:10:28.059 --> 00:10:31.440 essentially somebody found that Marky. noticed 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:34.120 that Marky and this guy had similar builds, and 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:36.120 they thought that they could spread a rumor. 00:10:36.259 --> 00:10:40.990 And because internet, it worked. Like I said, 00:10:41.029 --> 00:10:43.029 I later found on some online publications that 00:10:43.029 --> 00:10:45.649 Markey had been questioned by police after the 00:10:45.649 --> 00:10:48.490 assault. And after a while, the language in these 00:10:48.490 --> 00:10:51.649 pages changed in ways to make the police questioning 00:10:51.649 --> 00:10:54.289 and the assault on Emily seem even less related. 00:10:54.450 --> 00:10:56.350 But both events were still included in the same 00:10:56.350 --> 00:10:59.289 body text, almost suggesting that he was somehow 00:10:59.289 --> 00:11:02.450 involved in this assault. He was not. First. 00:11:03.070 --> 00:11:05.110 He wasn't banned from the platform. His account 00:11:05.110 --> 00:11:07.350 was still active. Second, he's tweeting about 00:11:07.350 --> 00:11:10.129 attending a basketball game, so he's not arrested 00:11:10.129 --> 00:11:13.549 at least, and probably seems a little carefree 00:11:13.549 --> 00:11:15.330 for somebody who was just questioned by the police. 00:11:15.629 --> 00:11:18.789 And three, he and the assailant don't even look 00:11:18.789 --> 00:11:20.970 like the same person. They just have similar 00:11:20.970 --> 00:11:22.970 builds, and this jackass thought he could start 00:11:22.970 --> 00:11:25.429 a rumor. And like I said, because internet, it 00:11:25.429 --> 00:11:29.549 worked. So I decided to look into who David was 00:11:29.549 --> 00:11:32.929 and Marky and find out what that whole deal was. 00:11:33.070 --> 00:11:35.750 I ended up, that is an entire can of worms we 00:11:35.750 --> 00:11:39.009 do not have time for right now. During the assault 00:11:39.009 --> 00:11:42.090 on Emily, it is frustrating that the person was 00:11:42.090 --> 00:11:44.250 able to get past the barrier and circumnavigate 00:11:44.250 --> 00:11:46.169 the entire line of people without having being 00:11:46.169 --> 00:11:50.190 stopped by Twitch security. Furthermore, this 00:11:50.190 --> 00:11:52.190 person passed through another streamer's meet 00:11:52.190 --> 00:11:55.720 and greet on his way to Emily. But... As we can 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:58.159 see in the video, at least Twitch security got 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:01.220 him away from her in the end, right? Yeah. No. 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:04.440 That was actually Emily's own personal security 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:07.379 guard who she brought herself. And the woman 00:12:07.379 --> 00:12:10.919 who walked her backstage was not TwitchCon staff 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:14.820 either. That was another one of her people. Furthermore, 00:12:15.139 --> 00:12:17.320 even after this event happened, during which 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:20.059 she actually started screaming, by the way, the 00:12:20.059 --> 00:12:22.879 guy who assaulted her was able to walk away without 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:25.870 any TwitchCon staff noticing. Oh my god, they 00:12:25.870 --> 00:12:29.090 just let him get out of there. Yep. So, according 00:12:29.090 --> 00:12:31.750 to Emily's manager, staff returned to the area 00:12:31.750 --> 00:12:33.909 laughing about how they didn't even see what 00:12:33.909 --> 00:12:36.090 happened, and then they proceeded to start talking 00:12:36.090 --> 00:12:38.029 to each other about something completely unrelated, 00:12:38.370 --> 00:12:41.009 as if this breach in security wasn't even anything 00:12:41.009 --> 00:12:43.309 to be concerned about. Okay, fire all those people. 00:12:43.549 --> 00:12:46.210 Yeah, no fucking kidding. Even though, according 00:12:46.210 --> 00:12:50.309 to their post on X, Twitch says, the safety and 00:12:50.309 --> 00:12:52.629 security of all those attending TwitchCon is 00:12:52.629 --> 00:12:56.509 our highest priority. Yeah. Maybe they mean the 00:12:56.509 --> 00:12:58.850 safety of the attendees and not necessarily the 00:12:58.850 --> 00:13:02.629 guests. But at least Emily had her favorite bodyguard 00:13:02.629 --> 00:13:05.509 with her, right? That's good. Actually, she didn't. 00:13:05.509 --> 00:13:07.730 No, she had somebody more reliable than the Twitch 00:13:07.730 --> 00:13:10.409 people. That's true. But there's a little bit 00:13:10.409 --> 00:13:12.370 of an issue with her favorite bodyguard. The 00:13:12.370 --> 00:13:14.850 reason that she didn't have her favorite bodyguard 00:13:14.850 --> 00:13:17.789 with her is that at a past TwitchCon in Las Vegas, 00:13:17.870 --> 00:13:21.909 a stalker showed up. Her favorite bodyguard intercepted. 00:13:22.169 --> 00:13:24.950 and held the stalker's arm until police were 00:13:24.950 --> 00:13:27.450 able to get there and take over. According to 00:13:27.450 --> 00:13:30.070 Emily, her bodyguard was permanently banned from 00:13:30.070 --> 00:13:32.669 all future Twitch cons for holding the attendee's 00:13:32.669 --> 00:13:37.509 arm. Yeah. For doing his job? Yeah. That's so 00:13:37.509 --> 00:13:39.690 stupid. Yeah, look, above all, they prioritize 00:13:39.690 --> 00:13:41.549 the safety of all those attending, especially 00:13:41.549 --> 00:13:46.580 poor innocent stalkers. Was the stalker injured 00:13:46.580 --> 00:13:50.340 in any way? Not as far as I can find out. Oh, 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:54.139 my God. So this dedication to attendee safety 00:13:54.139 --> 00:13:57.399 is probably why in October of 2022, they had 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:00.399 a big foam pit with raised platforms. And the 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.379 TwitchCon staff was encouraging attendees to 00:14:03.379 --> 00:14:06.240 fall and jump into. Many people posted on social 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:09.120 media about minor injuries that they had incurred. 00:14:10.029 --> 00:14:12.809 All fun and games. Until one streamer at the 00:14:12.809 --> 00:14:14.769 event jumped into the pit and broke her back 00:14:14.769 --> 00:14:17.350 in two places. Oh, my God. She found out at the 00:14:17.350 --> 00:14:19.490 hospital that she was pregnant and couldn't keep 00:14:19.490 --> 00:14:21.129 the baby because of the surgeries she had to 00:14:21.129 --> 00:14:24.429 undergo. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's pretty fucked 00:14:24.429 --> 00:14:27.649 up. Yeah, a little bit. Oh, my God. Can you imagine? 00:14:27.649 --> 00:14:29.429 You go to this place to have a good time, and 00:14:29.429 --> 00:14:31.289 then all of a sudden you break your back and 00:14:31.289 --> 00:14:34.090 you lose a baby. Yep. Thanks. That was a great 00:14:34.090 --> 00:14:37.110 day. Yeah. Dedication to safety. Here. Now, all 00:14:37.110 --> 00:14:40.250 right. To be fair to Twitch, maybe they were 00:14:40.250 --> 00:14:42.970 too distracted because 2022 was an eventful year 00:14:42.970 --> 00:14:45.690 for them. That was the same year that Bloomberg 00:14:45.690 --> 00:14:49.509 posted their article titled, Child Predators 00:14:49.509 --> 00:14:52.230 Use Twitch to Systematically Track Kids Live 00:14:52.230 --> 00:14:56.450 Streaming. With the subtext, the gaming platform's 00:14:56.450 --> 00:14:59.269 design enables people to find and exploit kids 00:14:59.269 --> 00:15:03.409 in real time. Oh, my God. Yeah. Now, I will spare 00:15:03.409 --> 00:15:05.289 the listeners the awful details, but if you want 00:15:05.289 --> 00:15:08.850 to get nauseously furious, just read this. exceedingly 00:15:08.850 --> 00:15:11.830 disturbing article. The point is that safety 00:15:11.830 --> 00:15:14.029 has been an ongoing issue with Twitch and lessons 00:15:14.029 --> 00:15:17.350 have been slow to learn. Emily has been streaming 00:15:17.350 --> 00:15:19.909 on Twitch for 10 years and has been at TwitchCon 00:15:19.909 --> 00:15:22.669 since they started and Twitch couldn't manage 00:15:22.669 --> 00:15:24.590 to protect her at a meet and greet that they 00:15:24.590 --> 00:15:27.870 helped facilitate. There are over 7 million active 00:15:27.870 --> 00:15:31.110 streamers on Twitch each month and Emeru is ranked 00:15:31.110 --> 00:15:35.360 as being among the top 35. And it is far past 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:38.899 time that platforms like Twitch recognize that 00:15:38.899 --> 00:15:41.120 they have minor celebrities on their hands. When 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.379 there is that much exposure to that many people, 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:45.360 there are going to be some unhinged individuals 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:47.740 with problematic parasocial thought patterns. 00:15:47.980 --> 00:15:50.740 And as Emily expresses in her initial statements 00:15:50.740 --> 00:15:53.220 about the event, She was one of the top ten or 00:15:53.220 --> 00:15:55.240 even top five creators in attendance, and they 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:57.679 didn't keep her safe. It was thanks to her own 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:00.500 security that she pays for that the assailant 00:16:00.500 --> 00:16:04.340 was dissuaded from going further. And the only 00:16:04.340 --> 00:16:07.580 reason she was saved was because she has the 00:16:07.580 --> 00:16:10.500 resources to provide that for herself. And the 00:16:10.500 --> 00:16:12.620 only reason in her eyes that Twitch did anything 00:16:12.620 --> 00:16:14.720 or made any statements about it was because one 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:17.100 of the people waiting in line to meet her recorded 00:16:17.100 --> 00:16:21.049 it, and the video went viral. All of a sudden 00:16:21.049 --> 00:16:23.289 it's a PR situation, so all of a sudden they 00:16:23.289 --> 00:16:25.669 care. Yeah, now they care, yeah. She asks, what 00:16:25.669 --> 00:16:28.389 about the smaller streamers who do not have those 00:16:28.389 --> 00:16:31.450 kinds of eyes on them, who may or may not have 00:16:31.450 --> 00:16:34.289 had anybody recording that situation? How many 00:16:34.289 --> 00:16:36.129 times has this or something worse happened to 00:16:36.129 --> 00:16:38.009 one of them and the public never got to know? 00:16:38.250 --> 00:16:41.009 And it's not only that she was not provided safety, 00:16:41.090 --> 00:16:42.809 but that Twitch doesn't even seem to recognize 00:16:42.809 --> 00:16:45.750 how important that is. Yeah. The guy got to walk 00:16:45.750 --> 00:16:49.509 away from that moment. At that moment, and staff 00:16:49.509 --> 00:16:51.950 didn't even seem to give a shit, Emily went back 00:16:51.950 --> 00:16:54.889 out and continued her meet and greet, which is 00:16:54.889 --> 00:16:58.070 incredible. But she found herself out there apologizing 00:16:58.070 --> 00:17:00.850 to those waiting to meet her that they had to 00:17:00.850 --> 00:17:04.369 see what had happened. And TwitchCon staff was 00:17:04.369 --> 00:17:07.849 still not around. And no, they weren't busy apprehending 00:17:07.849 --> 00:17:10.829 the suspect. She got back to the hotel and was 00:17:10.829 --> 00:17:13.130 told by her manager that police were going to 00:17:13.130 --> 00:17:15.089 come and talk to her about what happened and 00:17:15.089 --> 00:17:17.849 that they still didn't know who the guy was or 00:17:17.849 --> 00:17:25.809 where he went. Now, when Twitch staff did address 00:17:25.809 --> 00:17:28.170 the assaulter when talking to Emeril's manager, 00:17:28.529 --> 00:17:31.230 they said, he's banned from the platform for 00:17:31.230 --> 00:17:35.190 30 days. The guy that they don't know any idea 00:17:35.190 --> 00:17:36.789 who he is? They're going to ban that guy? Well, 00:17:36.809 --> 00:17:38.490 when they did finally address who he was, or 00:17:38.490 --> 00:17:42.470 allegedly addressed who he was, he's banned from 00:17:42.470 --> 00:17:45.009 the Twitch platform for 30 days. That'll help. 00:17:45.470 --> 00:17:49.769 Yeah. Yeah. Now, remember what happened to that 00:17:49.769 --> 00:17:52.289 bodyguard who held the stalker's arm to make 00:17:52.289 --> 00:17:54.069 sure the police could apprehend him in order 00:17:54.069 --> 00:17:56.069 to keep the streamer safe? What happened to him 00:17:56.069 --> 00:17:58.970 again? Oh, yeah. He was permanently banned from 00:17:58.970 --> 00:18:02.859 all TwitchCon events. Okay. It was addressing 00:18:02.859 --> 00:18:05.299 this exact thing when Emily became very animated 00:18:05.299 --> 00:18:08.180 in her video and what led to that viral image 00:18:08.180 --> 00:18:10.480 that I showed you of her looking very angry at 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:13.539 that table. And of course, when an image becomes 00:18:13.539 --> 00:18:15.900 iconic, everyone wants to use it to make their 00:18:15.900 --> 00:18:19.240 own assertions. like at Grums on Twitter, who 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:26.519 posted, Being red -pilled is, of course, a reference 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:29.519 to the Matrix, and this phrase is used by right 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:31.420 -wing netizens to indicate that they have seen 00:18:31.420 --> 00:18:34.220 through the supposed illusion created by an online 00:18:34.220 --> 00:18:36.579 world controlled by the left, leading to support 00:18:36.579 --> 00:18:39.279 among young people, particularly for Donald Trump. 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:42.279 Of course, the general sentiment in response 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:45.319 to this nonsensical post was doubt that getting 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:47.660 sexually assaulted would lead a girl to join 00:18:47.660 --> 00:18:50.119 a group of women hating incels in support of 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:53.220 a president who is found liable for rape and 00:18:53.220 --> 00:18:56.319 is generally disgusting toward women. At first, 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:58.400 I brushed this off as some imbecile who wanted 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:01.259 to look cool among right -wing ex -posters and 00:19:01.259 --> 00:19:05.230 just had a really bad take. There's a bit of 00:19:05.230 --> 00:19:07.569 a phenomenon that I run into a lot when I'm looking 00:19:07.569 --> 00:19:10.250 at the online behavior in response to something 00:19:10.250 --> 00:19:12.970 viral. They kind of clumsily shoehorned their 00:19:12.970 --> 00:19:16.150 unrelated opinions into something. And I kind 00:19:16.150 --> 00:19:17.970 of thought that that's just what Grums was doing, 00:19:18.069 --> 00:19:21.029 was kind of shoehorning something in that he 00:19:21.029 --> 00:19:25.430 wanted to say that really didn't make any logical 00:19:25.430 --> 00:19:29.049 sense. But after further reading, I realized 00:19:29.049 --> 00:19:31.210 that this Grums guy was likely posting a type 00:19:31.210 --> 00:19:33.660 of deceitful nonsense that I like to call. Hot 00:19:33.660 --> 00:19:37.920 bullshit. So this tactic is similar to when charlatans 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:39.680 pretend to be psychics or claiming that they 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:42.039 can communicate with the dead. A couple of tactics 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:44.700 they use are cold reading and hot reading. Cold 00:19:44.700 --> 00:19:47.299 reading is using verbal and psychological trickery 00:19:47.299 --> 00:19:48.920 to convince somebody that you know something 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:51.160 that you don't. Whereas hot reading is finding 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:53.319 out some information about your target beforehand 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:55.680 without the target knowing and pretending to 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:57.759 use your special abilities to have accessed that 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:00.299 information in the moment. But rather than claiming 00:20:00.299 --> 00:20:02.920 to have a superpower, hot bullshitters are setting 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:05.200 themselves up to look as if they predicted something 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:08.579 through seemingly unrelated events. The more 00:20:08.579 --> 00:20:11.210 unrelated, the better. Because if you can predict 00:20:11.210 --> 00:20:13.589 an outcome based on a really unlikely connection, 00:20:13.849 --> 00:20:16.009 you can appear to be in tune with something that 00:20:16.009 --> 00:20:18.710 no one else understands. With hot bullshit, you 00:20:18.710 --> 00:20:20.549 make a prediction based on something you already 00:20:20.549 --> 00:20:23.170 know and pretend to have deduced it in the moment. 00:20:23.549 --> 00:20:25.690 The thing that made me suspicious that Grums 00:20:25.690 --> 00:20:28.450 was engaging in this kind of attempted trickery 00:20:28.450 --> 00:20:31.609 was that I was reading into who Emeru was, and 00:20:31.609 --> 00:20:34.190 I found that she works for OTK, a media company 00:20:34.190 --> 00:20:37.359 formed partially by... a very vocal right -winger 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:40.220 named Zachariah Hoyt, who goes by the handle 00:20:40.220 --> 00:20:42.480 Asmongold. If you haven't seen his streams, you 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:44.519 aren't missing much. I watched some of them for 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:46.460 this episode, and it's mostly just him spouting 00:20:46.460 --> 00:20:48.440 out knee -jerk reactions to things and having 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:50.180 a far -right circle -jerk with his audience, 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:52.940 occasionally getting into spats with dissenters 00:20:52.940 --> 00:20:55.099 and saying things like, I didn't say that. When 00:20:55.099 --> 00:20:56.940 did I say that? You tell me. When did I say that? 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:58.940 Rather than engaging the actual substance of 00:20:58.940 --> 00:21:01.579 the conversation at hand. He is, at best, a whiny 00:21:01.579 --> 00:21:04.539 little debate me bro, and, at worst, a gross 00:21:04.539 --> 00:21:06.849 human being who was in support of ICE protesters 00:21:06.849 --> 00:21:09.869 being ran over by vehicles, having live ammunition 00:21:09.869 --> 00:21:12.529 used on them, and being put into forced slavery. 00:21:12.930 --> 00:21:15.849 Emily, until recently, collaborated with Hoyt 00:21:15.849 --> 00:21:19.740 regularly, and they appeared to be friends. Someone 00:21:19.740 --> 00:21:21.880 aware of this connection could be inclined to 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:23.839 predict that some of Hoyt's right -wing beliefs 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:26.160 have been rubbing off onto Emily. And now that 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:29.000 she, as she says herself, is being uncharacteristically 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:31.740 vocal about a situation, maybe some of her political 00:21:31.740 --> 00:21:34.519 beliefs will come to the surface and Grums can 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:36.680 look like he predicted it from this controversial 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:39.539 moment. I decided to look into this Grums guy 00:21:39.539 --> 00:21:44.049 and he definitely is aware. of who Asmongold 00:21:44.049 --> 00:21:45.690 is because I was trying to figure out, like, 00:21:45.750 --> 00:21:48.210 would he be aware of who Asmongold is and would 00:21:48.210 --> 00:21:50.789 he know about Emily's connection to him? And 00:21:50.789 --> 00:21:53.369 I didn't have to look very far. I'm going to 00:21:53.369 --> 00:21:55.869 show you something. Okay. So I'm on his page 00:21:55.869 --> 00:22:01.849 right now. If I search his posts for Asmongold, 00:22:01.930 --> 00:22:06.829 I want you to explain what you're seeing here. 00:22:06.930 --> 00:22:09.670 This is just his posts. Okay. And this is ones 00:22:09.670 --> 00:22:13.250 that contain Asmongold's name. Oh, wow. Looks 00:22:13.250 --> 00:22:19.309 like there's a couple of them up there. He's 00:22:19.309 --> 00:22:22.609 still scrolling. Still scrolling. It's still 00:22:22.609 --> 00:22:24.529 loading. It's loading. Okay, here we go. Yep, 00:22:24.549 --> 00:22:27.789 still going. Oh my gosh. Oh yeah, I could scroll 00:22:27.789 --> 00:22:29.670 forever and this would just keep going. I think 00:22:29.670 --> 00:22:31.609 he might know who this person is. Yeah, I think 00:22:31.609 --> 00:22:33.670 maybe he's aware of the people and probably aware 00:22:33.670 --> 00:22:35.809 of Emily's connection to him. Probably. This 00:22:35.809 --> 00:22:37.789 dude is very much aware of who Asmongold is. 00:22:38.500 --> 00:22:40.599 Posting his shit on Twitter so fucking much, 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:42.640 you might as well be an Asmund Goldmere account. 00:22:43.099 --> 00:22:45.519 I'm about to stop referring to this dude as Grums 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:48.500 because he's actually somebody. This is the Twitter 00:22:48.500 --> 00:22:50.700 account from Mark Kern. He worked for a video 00:22:50.700 --> 00:22:54.019 game company called Blizzard from 1997 to 2005 00:22:54.019 --> 00:22:56.599 and was team lead during the development of World 00:22:56.599 --> 00:23:00.059 of Warcraft. Kern desperately wants to be seen 00:23:00.059 --> 00:23:02.539 as a genius. And while researching this episode, 00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:05.180 I saw rando accounts with no real history calling 00:23:05.180 --> 00:23:07.259 him a genius and immediately getting accused 00:23:07.259 --> 00:23:11.420 of being Mark Kern's burner accounts. I don't 00:23:11.420 --> 00:23:12.799 know if they really were his burner accounts, 00:23:12.940 --> 00:23:14.880 but. That was my first thought, too, when I saw 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:16.519 him. Yeah, it kind of seemed like it, yeah. So, 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:19.640 yeah, Kern is peddling out some hot bullshit 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:21.339 and hoping that no one sees through it so he 00:23:21.339 --> 00:23:23.519 can look like a smart little boy. A smart little 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:25.740 boy who may or may not look like it, but he's 00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:28.680 in his 50s. And I don't know his exact date of 00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:31.700 birth, but, Mark, if you're listening, April 00:23:31.700 --> 00:23:36.779 29th? Am I close? Anyway, reading into Kern was 00:23:36.779 --> 00:23:39.259 an entirely different rabbit hole. And I have 00:23:39.259 --> 00:23:40.960 a feeling he's going to come up later on in our 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:43.420 show. Not in this episode, but in a later episode, 00:23:43.539 --> 00:23:46.750 because he's... He's not quiet. Now, regarding 00:23:46.750 --> 00:23:49.829 this incident involving Emily, later, presumably 00:23:49.829 --> 00:23:52.410 after Emily's manager made it clear how absurd 00:23:52.410 --> 00:23:54.710 this was, Twitch finally put out a statement 00:23:54.710 --> 00:23:57.269 saying that the assaulter was permanently banned 00:23:57.269 --> 00:23:59.470 from the online platform and from all future 00:23:59.470 --> 00:24:01.569 Twitch cons. That should have fucking been done 00:24:01.569 --> 00:24:03.549 in the first place. He fucking assaulted somebody. 00:24:03.829 --> 00:24:05.869 Yeah. Now, I mean, he might have been, like, 00:24:05.970 --> 00:24:08.650 a violent intention, but the guy clearly has 00:24:08.650 --> 00:24:11.509 an issue, and he violated somebody's space. Yeah, 00:24:11.509 --> 00:24:15.430 he crossed the line. Definitely. Now, this handling 00:24:15.430 --> 00:24:18.170 of this situation is reflective of how unserious 00:24:18.170 --> 00:24:20.150 Twitch seems to take the responsibility as a 00:24:20.150 --> 00:24:22.829 platform. And many believe that this lackadaisical 00:24:22.829 --> 00:24:25.470 shit rolls downhill all the way from their CEO, 00:24:25.650 --> 00:24:28.630 Dan Clancy. His handling of this situation early 00:24:28.630 --> 00:24:34.190 on was pathetic, was ridiculous. And it's honestly. 00:24:35.399 --> 00:24:37.640 Further embarrassing, knowing that he worked, 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.059 he had very important jobs for NASA and Google, 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:44.700 and he oversaw the product leads for YouTube 00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:47.079 as well. So he's familiar with online platforms. 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:48.980 He worked for NASA. He worked for Google. He 00:24:48.980 --> 00:24:52.640 worked for Nextdoor. He clearly should have handled 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.109 this better. Yeah. But he kind of came out looking 00:24:56.109 --> 00:24:59.450 like a jackass. Now, he has changed up his tone 00:24:59.450 --> 00:25:03.930 a little bit since then. And he has openly admitted 00:25:03.930 --> 00:25:06.210 to the fact that they fucked up. They fucked 00:25:06.210 --> 00:25:09.269 up really bad, both in their handling the situation, 00:25:09.410 --> 00:25:11.089 allowing the situation to happen in the first 00:25:11.089 --> 00:25:15.089 place and their response to it. And I agree with 00:25:15.089 --> 00:25:17.950 all that. But he has to say that at this point. 00:25:18.250 --> 00:25:20.769 I think it's a little too late. But with this 00:25:20.769 --> 00:25:23.190 situation with this guy, according to her, that 00:25:23.190 --> 00:25:25.450 guy was able to leave the state before they found 00:25:25.450 --> 00:25:28.289 out who he was. Oh, my God. Or before they were 00:25:28.289 --> 00:25:32.390 able to stop him. And she said that Twitch is 00:25:32.390 --> 00:25:36.009 not releasing the name of this person. But she 00:25:36.009 --> 00:25:38.609 kind of made it sound like they're not releasing 00:25:38.609 --> 00:25:41.359 the name of this person to the police. Which 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:43.819 doesn't sound realistic to me. I mean, that seems 00:25:43.819 --> 00:25:46.019 like something, a battle not worth having, you 00:25:46.019 --> 00:25:49.720 know? So I'm not exactly sure. The thing is, 00:25:49.819 --> 00:25:54.220 things get a little muddy pretty quickly after 00:25:54.220 --> 00:25:56.759 the situation. Emily didn't want to bring it 00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:58.319 to court because she said a lot of things end 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:00.400 up having to be under wraps and have to be under 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:02.700 NDAs and things like that. And she'd rather not 00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:05.559 have to have everything be private and just be 00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:08.119 done with the situation. So rather than suing 00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:11.779 Twitch. She asked that they donate $100 ,000 00:26:11.779 --> 00:26:18.240 to, like, violence awareness against women, that 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:22.279 kind of thing. She has also accused her ex -boyfriend 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:26.789 and ex -coworker. Ms. Kiff of assault, sexual 00:26:26.789 --> 00:26:30.450 assault and of abusing her. The the sort of mental 00:26:30.450 --> 00:26:33.410 abuse that it sounds like she went through, it's 00:26:33.410 --> 00:26:37.269 nothing to scoff at for sure. And like he sounds 00:26:37.269 --> 00:26:40.369 like the way that she describes him makes him 00:26:40.369 --> 00:26:45.170 sound like he's a bit emotionally unhinged. Maybe 00:26:45.170 --> 00:26:48.750 there was a lot of him throwing fits essentially 00:26:48.750 --> 00:26:50.609 because she was getting more attention than he 00:26:50.609 --> 00:26:53.509 was on live streams and having more people watch 00:26:53.509 --> 00:26:58.509 her than him. And, yeah, like that's that's pathetic. 00:26:58.630 --> 00:27:00.990 You know, that's a ridiculous behavior. But when 00:27:00.990 --> 00:27:03.690 she starts to describe the and I'm not going 00:27:03.690 --> 00:27:07.069 to describe it in detail, but when she describes 00:27:07.069 --> 00:27:09.769 the sexual assault or what she calls a sexual 00:27:09.769 --> 00:27:13.539 assault, it sounds more like. A miscommunication 00:27:13.539 --> 00:27:16.519 and because essentially he approached her while 00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:19.579 she was crying and he got some mixed signals 00:27:19.579 --> 00:27:23.460 and tried to be affectionate with her. They dated 00:27:23.460 --> 00:27:28.180 for a long time. And when she was surprised and 00:27:28.180 --> 00:27:31.119 put off by this, he immediately stopped, said 00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:33.200 he felt like he did something really wrong and 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.940 then left because he suddenly felt. Like that 00:27:36.940 --> 00:27:39.400 was unwanted. And that to me, and this is in 00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:41.579 her own words. And to me, that sounds like he 00:27:41.579 --> 00:27:44.440 didn't realize that it was unwanted until that 00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:46.599 moment. Right. And that he felt terrible for 00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:49.279 it and he left. And that's listening to her own 00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:54.380 story. But she does describe it as it had happened 00:27:54.380 --> 00:27:57.579 and gives all those details. She doesn't seem 00:27:57.579 --> 00:28:00.640 to try to embellish it or change it in any sort 00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:04.119 of way. But her describing it as a sexual assault, 00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:07.720 I think, is. is not really careful with her wording. 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.319 And maybe to her it did feel like an assault. 00:28:10.660 --> 00:28:14.819 And so I think that it is a mistake for her to 00:28:14.819 --> 00:28:19.779 call it that. But she has taken back the term 00:28:19.779 --> 00:28:22.319 sexual assault, or at least according to her 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:27.539 lawyer, it is not accusing Ms. Kiff of sexual 00:28:27.539 --> 00:28:30.019 assault, but sexual assault as she perceived 00:28:30.019 --> 00:28:35.309 it. And there... I watched a little bit of Miss 00:28:35.309 --> 00:28:38.950 Kiff's live stream responding to this and he 00:28:38.950 --> 00:28:41.789 gets very emotional. He actually did. He cried 00:28:41.789 --> 00:28:44.890 and everything when she took that accusation 00:28:44.890 --> 00:28:46.630 back. And I think that he had been waiting for 00:28:46.630 --> 00:28:51.809 something like that. And but he's also he's very 00:28:51.809 --> 00:28:54.250 angry. And in his emotions, I think he's being 00:28:54.250 --> 00:28:57.410 uncareful now because now he's saying that she 00:28:57.410 --> 00:28:59.490 deserves jail time and all this stuff. And I'm 00:28:59.490 --> 00:29:02.740 like. I'm like, OK, well, she said it exactly 00:29:02.740 --> 00:29:06.339 as it happened. She didn't like accuse you of 00:29:06.339 --> 00:29:10.740 anything completely untrue. At least it doesn't 00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:14.599 sound like it. But since this is like an ongoing 00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:16.500 and unfolding situation, I don't want to comment 00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:20.140 on it too much. But I do think that he is he 00:29:20.140 --> 00:29:23.200 needs to maybe stop and think a little bit to 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:26.339 how he responds to this. And I think that she. 00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:30.880 was definitely too quick to call that a sexual 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:35.140 assault between her and him. Because that was, 00:29:35.339 --> 00:29:37.539 I think, a misunderstanding. What happened to 00:29:37.539 --> 00:29:39.839 her at TwitchCon, I do call that a sexual assault. 00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:41.980 Oh, yeah, definitely. Like, that is absolutely, 00:29:42.220 --> 00:29:44.240 that is putting your hands on a fucking stranger. 00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.299 Like, that is. That's not okay. Yeah, that's 00:29:47.299 --> 00:29:50.779 insane. And Ms. Kip, he doesn't strike me as 00:29:50.779 --> 00:29:52.640 the brightest person, and he doesn't strike me 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.440 as the most in tune to other people's feelings. 00:29:56.990 --> 00:30:00.170 And so I think he could have easily made a mistake 00:30:00.170 --> 00:30:01.910 like that. I think he's somebody who gets emotional 00:30:01.910 --> 00:30:04.769 very easily. And I think he might have been caught 00:30:04.769 --> 00:30:07.269 up in the feeling of maybe thinking that he could 00:30:07.269 --> 00:30:09.150 get her back and that that was what was happening 00:30:09.150 --> 00:30:13.470 there. If maybe she was, you know, responding 00:30:13.470 --> 00:30:16.849 positively to him being giving her a hug, you 00:30:16.849 --> 00:30:18.970 know, and maybe thought he could, you know, thought 00:30:18.970 --> 00:30:21.450 he was taking the next step or whatever. Like, 00:30:21.450 --> 00:30:24.049 I'm not exactly sure what happened moment to 00:30:24.049 --> 00:30:26.170 moment, but I could see him making this mistake. 00:30:27.100 --> 00:30:29.539 Getting caught up in his emotions rather than 00:30:29.539 --> 00:30:33.339 his logic a little bit, you know. So I think 00:30:33.339 --> 00:30:36.740 that he needs to take a moment and breathe before 00:30:36.740 --> 00:30:39.759 he starts saying that Emily should be in jail. 00:30:40.299 --> 00:30:45.720 That being said, he is trying to sue her and 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:49.339 Asmongold for defamation because Asmongold is 00:30:49.339 --> 00:30:52.380 calling him an abuser and all these things and 00:30:52.380 --> 00:30:55.700 all these names and stuff. And Asmongold is also... 00:30:56.299 --> 00:30:59.640 he's a provocateur a little bit. Um, so he, he 00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:01.440 does try to get a rise out of things. So he's 00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:04.460 also somebody who's like quick to, uh, make an 00:31:04.460 --> 00:31:06.940 accusation or, you know, he's the one who said 00:31:06.940 --> 00:31:08.920 that he thinks the ice protesters should be ran 00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:11.640 over and, and live ammunition used on them and 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.880 things, which I mean, in context, if you want 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:17.440 to put it in context, he says that he's not morally 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:22.000 against them being run over. Um, but, and his 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:25.059 reasoning, like, okay, if Aspen gold wants to 00:31:25.059 --> 00:31:27.500 get, you know, Get technical about this. I will 00:31:27.500 --> 00:31:30.160 put it in the context of what exactly he said. 00:31:30.500 --> 00:31:33.160 His reasoning for why you shouldn't run them 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.779 over is because you could injure them and then 00:31:35.779 --> 00:31:37.660 they can't be used for forced labor in their 00:31:37.660 --> 00:31:40.559 prisons. Wow. Yeah. So, you know, real stand 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:43.720 up guy that says me. So, yeah, no, he's a real 00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:46.559 fucking asshole. But when it comes to Miskis, 00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:50.980 like anger and his emotional outbursts and things. 00:31:51.569 --> 00:31:53.789 I think that he probably did put Emily through 00:31:53.789 --> 00:31:55.750 a lot of stress that he should not have done. 00:31:56.369 --> 00:32:00.849 That the sexual assault moment, the way she described 00:32:00.849 --> 00:32:04.470 it in her own words, I think it was just a mistake. 00:32:04.769 --> 00:32:07.250 Yeah, it happens. So, yeah, I don't want to say 00:32:07.250 --> 00:32:08.970 anything definitive, but that's that's what it 00:32:08.970 --> 00:32:12.250 sounds like to me, just based on her own words. 00:32:12.809 --> 00:32:15.289 So during Ms. Kiff's live stream, he was talking 00:32:15.289 --> 00:32:18.069 about he has pulled up on the screen moments 00:32:18.069 --> 00:32:21.980 where. He's reading the lawyer's response and 00:32:21.980 --> 00:32:24.960 it says taking the whole context of Shung's statement 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:28.160 into account as the court is required to do the 00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:32.539 situation. It compares it to another situation 00:32:32.539 --> 00:32:35.480 where they're trying to use in the defamation 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:38.559 suit. They are trying to use precedent against 00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:43.059 her. And so they're trying to differentiate it 00:32:43.059 --> 00:32:47.839 from that. But the lawyer says like essentially 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:50.259 the substance of this is that Shunk describes 00:32:50.259 --> 00:32:54.660 exactly what happened. And to her, although she 00:32:54.660 --> 00:32:57.400 defines it as sexual assault, a reasonable viewer 00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.900 would unquestionably understand that the term 00:32:59.900 --> 00:33:03.079 is her own description of what happened. The 00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:05.440 viewer is not left to guess the nature of the 00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:08.259 assault based solely on the term sexual assault. 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:11.079 Because she did give the details. She did explain 00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:16.799 everything. So it's not as if she just said, 00:33:16.900 --> 00:33:18.700 he sexually assaulted me and left it at that. 00:33:18.940 --> 00:33:22.599 She gave the details, and in my own interpretation, 00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:25.759 hearing what she said, I think it was a mistake. 00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:28.180 I don't think he was trying to assault her. But 00:33:28.180 --> 00:33:31.440 he is understandably very pissed. I think it's 00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:35.359 absurd to say she needs jail time. Maybe a bit 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:40.700 far, yeah. Yeah. But this is something. My favorite 00:33:40.700 --> 00:33:43.599 thing in the world is legal counsel from the 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:48.359 peanut gallery. So one person in the stream in 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:50.460 the comments said, such horseshit. And another 00:33:50.460 --> 00:33:53.920 person says, is this lawyer crazy? This is insane. 00:33:54.619 --> 00:33:56.640 One person said, there's no way this holds up 00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.839 in court, especially not in Texas. And it's like, 00:34:00.019 --> 00:34:04.640 well, this lawyer is actually making a good argument 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:08.159 against the use of precedent in this case. It's 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.360 a decent argument. Now, when it comes to the 00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:13.480 legal ramifications against the person who assaulted 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.480 her at TwitchCon, there were some legal breakdowns 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:18.460 of this. I think LegalEagle did a video on it, 00:34:18.539 --> 00:34:21.780 and I think some other lawyers responded for, 00:34:21.860 --> 00:34:23.440 you know, when they were questioned as experts 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:27.380 in these types of situations. And technically, 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.739 what happened, what was done to her at TwitchCon 00:34:30.739 --> 00:34:35.019 cannot be considered to be. Like a sexual assault 00:34:35.019 --> 00:34:37.739 wherein like an intimate part of her was violated 00:34:37.739 --> 00:34:41.000 because technically in California, the lips aren't 00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:45.860 considered an intimate place. So it's there's 00:34:45.860 --> 00:34:50.219 a bit of a it doesn't totally fit the legal definition 00:34:50.219 --> 00:34:53.059 in the state of California. I would still call 00:34:53.059 --> 00:34:54.800 it a sexual assault because I think it was sexually 00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.019 driven. You know, I would still call it that. 00:34:57.099 --> 00:35:00.070 And, you know, this is a case wherein. My definition 00:35:00.070 --> 00:35:03.170 of what happened is sexual assault. Right. We 00:35:03.170 --> 00:35:04.949 all saw what happened. We know what happened. 00:35:05.090 --> 00:35:07.610 It's not as if I'm saying the guy sexually assaulted 00:35:07.610 --> 00:35:10.210 her and leaving it at that. There's a video of 00:35:10.210 --> 00:35:12.989 it. We know what happened. He tried to kiss her. 00:35:13.190 --> 00:35:17.010 He's a stranger. He fucking went past a lot of 00:35:17.010 --> 00:35:19.489 people to do it, too. And that's fucking weird. 00:35:19.650 --> 00:35:21.849 I mean, she clearly didn't want him to. Yeah. 00:35:21.909 --> 00:35:25.230 And like, I mean, what on earth? Like, I mean, 00:35:25.269 --> 00:35:28.739 that's that's. in my opinion. A little bit. Yeah. 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:33.880 So, anyway, what do you think, Bobby? I think 00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:35.800 if Twitch had better security, a lot of this 00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:39.119 would have been avoided. Yeah. It's like they 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:42.000 don't realize that these people are... are famous 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:43.860 in a way, you know, I mean, they may not be movie 00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:46.340 stars, but a lot of people know who Emmy Rue 00:35:46.340 --> 00:35:48.940 is and, you know, they need to protect these 00:35:48.940 --> 00:35:50.860 people. If they're going to have this big crowd, 00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:52.619 they need to do something about it. Yeah. Yeah. 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.420 You're inviting people who watch live streamers 00:35:55.420 --> 00:35:59.760 play video games, like, like at insane lengths, 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:01.800 people stream for hours, you know, and some of 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:03.480 these people stick around for those whole streams. 00:36:03.539 --> 00:36:07.719 And, and when you're, when you build a big crowd 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:10.719 of people who do that, who watch you do that, 00:36:11.309 --> 00:36:16.289 They're not all going to be the most – there's 00:36:16.289 --> 00:36:18.110 going to be some who are pretty socially inept, 00:36:18.170 --> 00:36:21.369 to say the least. Do you ever read the comments 00:36:21.369 --> 00:36:23.369 in these things as you're going? Like, people 00:36:23.369 --> 00:36:26.489 put some weird shit in there. Yeah, yeah. Very 00:36:26.489 --> 00:36:28.510 worrisome. I remember when I used to do live 00:36:28.510 --> 00:36:30.670 streaming, there was a girl who said she wanted 00:36:30.670 --> 00:36:34.019 to – kidnap me and keep me in her grandparents' 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:36.260 basement. Uh -huh. And hopefully she was joking, 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.059 but you don't know that she was. You know, the 00:36:38.059 --> 00:36:41.280 thing is that my chat like tore into her. Oh 00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.000 yeah. They tore into her bad and she apologized 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:46.480 and I didn't, I stayed out of it. I'm like, I'm 00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:50.179 not engaging. Like, um, but yeah, no, that's, 00:36:50.179 --> 00:36:53.070 uh. Yeah, no, it's a weird world. The online 00:36:53.070 --> 00:36:54.710 world's a weird world. And when you're exposed 00:36:54.710 --> 00:36:57.050 to that much, you know, like, you've got millions 00:36:57.050 --> 00:36:59.829 of people who watch you. Yeah. There's going 00:36:59.829 --> 00:37:02.230 to be some weirdos. And so, like, the fact that 00:37:02.230 --> 00:37:05.849 Twitch doesn't take that into account is nuts, 00:37:06.130 --> 00:37:08.469 right? Yeah, I would think so, yeah. And, like, 00:37:08.510 --> 00:37:10.670 one of her stalkers showed up at a past Twitch 00:37:10.670 --> 00:37:12.630 con. I'm sure that's probably a regular thing 00:37:12.630 --> 00:37:14.250 for her. Because, like, especially with girls, 00:37:14.369 --> 00:37:16.329 you know, young girls, like, you get those kinds 00:37:16.329 --> 00:37:19.380 of people who obsess over them. You know, it's 00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:24.039 like you're in a difficult territory. And the 00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:29.559 fact that their CEO, who's worked for major companies 00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:32.460 before and had huge responsibilities in the past, 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:36.659 he couldn't handle this. It's ridiculous. But, 00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:40.619 like, how can there be that big of a fuck up? 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:42.440 And for this long, Twitch has been around for 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:44.340 a long time. They're not a brand new company, 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.380 you know. And they've been doing these Twitch 00:37:46.380 --> 00:37:49.639 cons for a long time, too. And you've got these 00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:51.460 these people who are essentially being treated 00:37:51.460 --> 00:37:53.639 like celebrities. I mean, people don't stand 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.679 in line to just meet whoever they're going to 00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:58.639 be. There are people who know who she is. And 00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.860 so you're going to get some weirdos. And the 00:38:01.860 --> 00:38:06.300 fact that they took this, it took this to have 00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:09.260 them do anything about it. And like she asked, 00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:11.239 she asked herself, she says, like, you know, 00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:12.500 how many times has this happened? And we just 00:38:12.500 --> 00:38:14.070 didn't. Hear about it because it happened to 00:38:14.070 --> 00:38:16.190 somebody who didn't have the eyes on them. They 00:38:16.190 --> 00:38:17.889 didn't have anybody recording the situation. 00:38:18.489 --> 00:38:20.829 And so Twitch thought they could just not do 00:38:20.829 --> 00:38:23.349 anything about it. I don't know if it's like 00:38:23.349 --> 00:38:25.630 a cost -saving measure or what they think they're 00:38:25.630 --> 00:38:30.010 doing. Probably. That's ridiculous. Anyway, thank 00:38:30.010 --> 00:38:32.570 you all so much for listening. Goodbye, everybody. 00:38:32.969 --> 00:38:33.329 Bye.