Hello everybody, thank you all so much for listening
to Mamingless, where we look into the spread
of internet nonsense and try to understand what
in the hell it all means. I am your humble host,
Nate, and uh, should I invite Bobby? I mean,
sure, why not? You didn't say your line! I didn't.
We had a bit, remember? Nope. Don't remember,
I'm sorry. You want to restart? Refresh my memory,
let's start over. Too late, I'm in. Remember?
Yeah, we talked about that. Yeah, I don't remember
that. My memory is very bad. Anyway, I've got
a meme for you to look at. So, Bobby. Yeah. Discombobulated.
Bobby Shark. Oh, God. I have a meme for you to
look at. I have a meme for you to look at. That's
it. I'm done. Thank you all so much for listening.
No, I have a meme. You know, as soon as I put
the Bobby Shark thing into the script, I'm like,
she's going to hate that one. Yep, you're right.
So I have a meme for you to look at, and I would
like you to explain it to our listeners. Tell
them what it looks like and how it reads. I'll
do my best. Uh -oh. Okay, so this is a Dan Clancy.
Okay, I'm not familiar with that person. Anyway,
Dan Clancy looks like he's sitting on the Simpsons
bus, and underneath him it says, Chuckles, you're
in danger. All right. So this is a meme that
some listeners may recognize right away, the
format of this meme. It is based on the Simpsons
Family Guy crossover episode where Ralph Wiggum
is on a bus and the bus is about to crash. In
typical Ralph Wiggum fashion, he giggles and
says, I'm in danger. So, you know, clearly blissfully
unaware of what being in danger means, but recognizing
that there's danger. Because of this kind of
juxtaposition between the reaction and the situation,
this meme is often used by people who don't realize
what kind of trouble that they're in. Or seem
to not take their situation too seriously. Now,
the difference here is instead of saying I'm
in danger, Dan Clancy says you're in danger.
Right. And there is a reason for that. And I
think it will become clear by the end of this
episode. Okay. Now, I have another image for
you to look at. This one. You won't have to describe
to people. I'll just kind of explain what it
is. So that image is of a Twitch streamer known
as Emeru. And she is looking a little bit angry
with her finger up in the air. This image has
become kind of iconic because of a situation
that happened in October last year that I will
explain here shortly. Before we get too into
the weeds here, I do want to preface that researching
this episode began with the girl in the picture
back in October last year. But what I ended up
finding was a cavalcade of bullshit. We will
be talking about this girl and what happened
to her, but the real episode will be the bullshit
we find along the way. So the girl in this image
is Emily Beth Shunk, a Twitch streamer better
known by her online handle Emeru. Her fans often
refer to her as Emmy for short. I am not a fan,
and accordingly, for simplicity, I'm just going
to refer to her as Emily going forward. This
image of Emily is a still from a video taken
after an infuriating event that occurred at TwitchCon
2025 on October 17th. Bobby, I'm going to show
you a video of what happened, and I would like
you to do your best to narrate it for our listeners.
Oh, gosh. Okay. Okay, let's see. We got a group
of people. This is TwitchCon, you said? Yeah.
Okay, there's some people on stage, it looks
like. What? He just, was he trying to kiss her?
What was he doing? Yeah, yeah. This guy just
came up and tried to kiss this girl on, was that
Emmy? That was Emmy, yeah. This video was posted
on Twitter by user Bacon Crumbs on the day that
this event happened. It was at about 8 .21 p
.m. this was posted. It depicts Emily about 20
to 30 minutes into her meet and greet when a
large man approaches very quickly and appears
to try to kiss her. She pulls away from this
assault. Then a security guard shoves the man
out of the way and walks him away from Emily
as she appears to be shaken by the situation.
She is then walked backstage by another woman.
There are some very glaring and obvious problems
with the situation. Primarily, how was this man
able to cross the barrier and get to this girl?
How was he allowed to walk past the line of fans
with his aggressive gait? As Emily later put
it, he was like walking with a purpose. Regardless
of how you look at it, and regardless of the
details going forward, this is a major fuck -up
by Twitch. This is a major fuck -up by the event,
and this is a major fuck -up by the staff and
by the security that should have stopped this
from happening. There are many reasons besides
the obvious why this is such an inexcusable situation.
We will be addressing many of the mistakes and
missteps by Twitch and the con staff, but seeing
as a lot of that has already been covered ad
nauseum by other videos, what I will be mostly
focusing on is how much misinformation and intentional
bullshit was spread as things unfolded. And,
like diarrhea on parchment paper, the shit spread
quickly. Almost immediately, a response showed
up in the comments, and it was showing this video,
and I would like you to describe this one as
you're seeing it. Okay, so we're back at TwitchCon.
He just pulled... It looks like he pulled out
a pocket knife or something. I can't tell what
he's pulling out. I don't know. It looks like
a weapon of some kind. I don't know. That's a
bad video. Yeah, yeah. But he's definitely pulling
something out. Looking at it in a threatening
manner. Yeah, yeah. So a user posted this zoomed
in and slowed down clip of the video. And, of
course, people started talking about how the
guy had a knife. If you watch the video closely,
it appears that the guy did not have a knife
and that he actually took the pen from Emily.
So he took the pen that she had with her out
of her hand as he tried to kiss her. Of course,
the person who shared this video shared it with
this inquisitive emoji. He's not saying what
the man's holding, but the implication that it's
a weapon is obvious. It looked like it, yeah.
Presumably, the person who posted this video
is the one who edited the clip, since I didn't
see it anywhere else, and it was on the comments
of the original posting of the video. I find
it difficult to imagine that this person could
have edited this clip without noticing that this
is unlikely to be a weapon. I'm using some speculation
when I say this, but I have to imagine that this
clip was made and posted purely for engagement
bait. And that the person posting it fucking
knew the item being held by the assailant was
innocuous. This kind of irresponsible playing
around with the situation, acting intentionally
ignorant about what's happening in the video,
does nobody any good and only muddies the waters
of an unfolding situation. There is no indication
that the assailant was carrying a weapon. And
at the time that all this was posted, no law
enforcement, including the San Diego Police Department,
had put out any statement. And neither Twitch
nor the venue had put out any statement of arrest.
But, Bobby, the Internet is 10 times faster than
the police. And as we know doing this show, the
Internet is also right 100 % of the time. Oh,
yeah. It never fails. Yeah. I don't know why
we even have a podcast. In fact, Internet sleuths
knew who the assailant was. A rumor that a bodyguard
for musician David Anthony Burke, known as D4VD,
this musician, apparently his bodyguard was arrested
shortly after the assault took place. Most outlets
that were covering this avoided mentioning this
bodyguard when talking about the sexual assault
on Emily. However. Some articles did mention
the timing of the bodyguard's arrest without
assuming a definite connection to Emily's situation.
So I'm not going to go too in the details of
this because this led me to another rabbit hole
that will end up being its own episode that's
not actually related to this situation. But the
guy who supposedly got arrested. Um, now. This
guy, his name is Marky Nextdoor. He goes by Marky
Nextdoor. And he was at TwitchCon at the time
in question. But first off, Marky Nextdoor was
not the person in the video. He was not arrested.
And some of the news outlets, and I put that
in quotes, news outlets, changed the wording
to say that Marky was questioned by police after.
If he were David's bodyguard, he may be questioned
about a situation wherein a girl close to David
was found dead in the frunk of his Tesla. Yeah.
So maybe police were questioning him about that.
Maybe. Yeah. The problem, though, is that Markie's
not David's bodyguard. And at the time of the
event of that girl being found, he had never
even heard of David. Some people on the internet
ended up connecting him as David's bodyguard,
which there's no basis in fact regarding that.
And for some reason, people are trying to implicate
him in this as well. Now, despite the fact, despite
all this information being very easily available,
essentially somebody found that Marky. noticed
that Marky and this guy had similar builds, and
they thought that they could spread a rumor.
And because internet, it worked. Like I said,
I later found on some online publications that
Markey had been questioned by police after the
assault. And after a while, the language in these
pages changed in ways to make the police questioning
and the assault on Emily seem even less related.
But both events were still included in the same
body text, almost suggesting that he was somehow
involved in this assault. He was not. First.
He wasn't banned from the platform. His account
was still active. Second, he's tweeting about
attending a basketball game, so he's not arrested
at least, and probably seems a little carefree
for somebody who was just questioned by the police.
And three, he and the assailant don't even look
like the same person. They just have similar
builds, and this jackass thought he could start
a rumor. And like I said, because internet, it
worked. So I decided to look into who David was
and Marky and find out what that whole deal was.
I ended up, that is an entire can of worms we
do not have time for right now. During the assault
on Emily, it is frustrating that the person was
able to get past the barrier and circumnavigate
the entire line of people without having being
stopped by Twitch security. Furthermore, this
person passed through another streamer's meet
and greet on his way to Emily. But... As we can
see in the video, at least Twitch security got
him away from her in the end, right? Yeah. No.
That was actually Emily's own personal security
guard who she brought herself. And the woman
who walked her backstage was not TwitchCon staff
either. That was another one of her people. Furthermore,
even after this event happened, during which
she actually started screaming, by the way, the
guy who assaulted her was able to walk away without
any TwitchCon staff noticing. Oh my god, they
just let him get out of there. Yep. So, according
to Emily's manager, staff returned to the area
laughing about how they didn't even see what
happened, and then they proceeded to start talking
to each other about something completely unrelated,
as if this breach in security wasn't even anything
to be concerned about. Okay, fire all those people.
Yeah, no fucking kidding. Even though, according
to their post on X, Twitch says, the safety and
security of all those attending TwitchCon is
our highest priority. Yeah. Maybe they mean the
safety of the attendees and not necessarily the
guests. But at least Emily had her favorite bodyguard
with her, right? That's good. Actually, she didn't.
No, she had somebody more reliable than the Twitch
people. That's true. But there's a little bit
of an issue with her favorite bodyguard. The
reason that she didn't have her favorite bodyguard
with her is that at a past TwitchCon in Las Vegas,
a stalker showed up. Her favorite bodyguard intercepted.
and held the stalker's arm until police were
able to get there and take over. According to
Emily, her bodyguard was permanently banned from
all future Twitch cons for holding the attendee's
arm. Yeah. For doing his job? Yeah. That's so
stupid. Yeah, look, above all, they prioritize
the safety of all those attending, especially
poor innocent stalkers. Was the stalker injured
in any way? Not as far as I can find out. Oh,
my God. So this dedication to attendee safety
is probably why in October of 2022, they had
a big foam pit with raised platforms. And the
TwitchCon staff was encouraging attendees to
fall and jump into. Many people posted on social
media about minor injuries that they had incurred.
All fun and games. Until one streamer at the
event jumped into the pit and broke her back
in two places. Oh, my God. She found out at the
hospital that she was pregnant and couldn't keep
the baby because of the surgeries she had to
undergo. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's pretty fucked
up. Yeah, a little bit. Oh, my God. Can you imagine?
You go to this place to have a good time, and
then all of a sudden you break your back and
you lose a baby. Yep. Thanks. That was a great
day. Yeah. Dedication to safety. Here. Now, all
right. To be fair to Twitch, maybe they were
too distracted because 2022 was an eventful year
for them. That was the same year that Bloomberg
posted their article titled, Child Predators
Use Twitch to Systematically Track Kids Live
Streaming. With the subtext, the gaming platform's
design enables people to find and exploit kids
in real time. Oh, my God. Yeah. Now, I will spare
the listeners the awful details, but if you want
to get nauseously furious, just read this. exceedingly
disturbing article. The point is that safety
has been an ongoing issue with Twitch and lessons
have been slow to learn. Emily has been streaming
on Twitch for 10 years and has been at TwitchCon
since they started and Twitch couldn't manage
to protect her at a meet and greet that they
helped facilitate. There are over 7 million active
streamers on Twitch each month and Emeru is ranked
as being among the top 35. And it is far past
time that platforms like Twitch recognize that
they have minor celebrities on their hands. When
there is that much exposure to that many people,
there are going to be some unhinged individuals
with problematic parasocial thought patterns.
And as Emily expresses in her initial statements
about the event, She was one of the top ten or
even top five creators in attendance, and they
didn't keep her safe. It was thanks to her own
security that she pays for that the assailant
was dissuaded from going further. And the only
reason she was saved was because she has the
resources to provide that for herself. And the
only reason in her eyes that Twitch did anything
or made any statements about it was because one
of the people waiting in line to meet her recorded
it, and the video went viral. All of a sudden
it's a PR situation, so all of a sudden they
care. Yeah, now they care, yeah. She asks, what
about the smaller streamers who do not have those
kinds of eyes on them, who may or may not have
had anybody recording that situation? How many
times has this or something worse happened to
one of them and the public never got to know?
And it's not only that she was not provided safety,
but that Twitch doesn't even seem to recognize
how important that is. Yeah. The guy got to walk
away from that moment. At that moment, and staff
didn't even seem to give a shit, Emily went back
out and continued her meet and greet, which is
incredible. But she found herself out there apologizing
to those waiting to meet her that they had to
see what had happened. And TwitchCon staff was
still not around. And no, they weren't busy apprehending
the suspect. She got back to the hotel and was
told by her manager that police were going to
come and talk to her about what happened and
that they still didn't know who the guy was or
where he went. Now, when Twitch staff did address
the assaulter when talking to Emeril's manager,
they said, he's banned from the platform for
30 days. The guy that they don't know any idea
who he is? They're going to ban that guy? Well,
when they did finally address who he was, or
allegedly addressed who he was, he's banned from
the Twitch platform for 30 days. That'll help.
Yeah. Yeah. Now, remember what happened to that
bodyguard who held the stalker's arm to make
sure the police could apprehend him in order
to keep the streamer safe? What happened to him
again? Oh, yeah. He was permanently banned from
all TwitchCon events. Okay. It was addressing
this exact thing when Emily became very animated
in her video and what led to that viral image
that I showed you of her looking very angry at
that table. And of course, when an image becomes
iconic, everyone wants to use it to make their
own assertions. like at Grums on Twitter, who
posted, Being red -pilled is, of course, a reference
to the Matrix, and this phrase is used by right
-wing netizens to indicate that they have seen
through the supposed illusion created by an online
world controlled by the left, leading to support
among young people, particularly for Donald Trump.
Of course, the general sentiment in response
to this nonsensical post was doubt that getting
sexually assaulted would lead a girl to join
a group of women hating incels in support of
a president who is found liable for rape and
is generally disgusting toward women. At first,
I brushed this off as some imbecile who wanted
to look cool among right -wing ex -posters and
just had a really bad take. There's a bit of
a phenomenon that I run into a lot when I'm looking
at the online behavior in response to something
viral. They kind of clumsily shoehorned their
unrelated opinions into something. And I kind
of thought that that's just what Grums was doing,
was kind of shoehorning something in that he
wanted to say that really didn't make any logical
sense. But after further reading, I realized
that this Grums guy was likely posting a type
of deceitful nonsense that I like to call. Hot
bullshit. So this tactic is similar to when charlatans
pretend to be psychics or claiming that they
can communicate with the dead. A couple of tactics
they use are cold reading and hot reading. Cold
reading is using verbal and psychological trickery
to convince somebody that you know something
that you don't. Whereas hot reading is finding
out some information about your target beforehand
without the target knowing and pretending to
use your special abilities to have accessed that
information in the moment. But rather than claiming
to have a superpower, hot bullshitters are setting
themselves up to look as if they predicted something
through seemingly unrelated events. The more
unrelated, the better. Because if you can predict
an outcome based on a really unlikely connection,
you can appear to be in tune with something that
no one else understands. With hot bullshit, you
make a prediction based on something you already
know and pretend to have deduced it in the moment.
The thing that made me suspicious that Grums
was engaging in this kind of attempted trickery
was that I was reading into who Emeru was, and
I found that she works for OTK, a media company
formed partially by... a very vocal right -winger
named Zachariah Hoyt, who goes by the handle
Asmongold. If you haven't seen his streams, you
aren't missing much. I watched some of them for
this episode, and it's mostly just him spouting
out knee -jerk reactions to things and having
a far -right circle -jerk with his audience,
occasionally getting into spats with dissenters
and saying things like, I didn't say that. When
did I say that? You tell me. When did I say that?
Rather than engaging the actual substance of
the conversation at hand. He is, at best, a whiny
little debate me bro, and, at worst, a gross
human being who was in support of ICE protesters
being ran over by vehicles, having live ammunition
used on them, and being put into forced slavery.
Emily, until recently, collaborated with Hoyt
regularly, and they appeared to be friends. Someone
aware of this connection could be inclined to
predict that some of Hoyt's right -wing beliefs
have been rubbing off onto Emily. And now that
she, as she says herself, is being uncharacteristically
vocal about a situation, maybe some of her political
beliefs will come to the surface and Grums can
look like he predicted it from this controversial
moment. I decided to look into this Grums guy
and he definitely is aware. of who Asmongold
is because I was trying to figure out, like,
would he be aware of who Asmongold is and would
he know about Emily's connection to him? And
I didn't have to look very far. I'm going to
show you something. Okay. So I'm on his page
right now. If I search his posts for Asmongold,
I want you to explain what you're seeing here.
This is just his posts. Okay. And this is ones
that contain Asmongold's name. Oh, wow. Looks
like there's a couple of them up there. He's
still scrolling. Still scrolling. It's still
loading. It's loading. Okay, here we go. Yep,
still going. Oh my gosh. Oh yeah, I could scroll
forever and this would just keep going. I think
he might know who this person is. Yeah, I think
maybe he's aware of the people and probably aware
of Emily's connection to him. Probably. This
dude is very much aware of who Asmongold is.
Posting his shit on Twitter so fucking much,
you might as well be an Asmund Goldmere account.
I'm about to stop referring to this dude as Grums
because he's actually somebody. This is the Twitter
account from Mark Kern. He worked for a video
game company called Blizzard from 1997 to 2005
and was team lead during the development of World
of Warcraft. Kern desperately wants to be seen
as a genius. And while researching this episode,
I saw rando accounts with no real history calling
him a genius and immediately getting accused
of being Mark Kern's burner accounts. I don't
know if they really were his burner accounts,
but. That was my first thought, too, when I saw
him. Yeah, it kind of seemed like it, yeah. So,
yeah, Kern is peddling out some hot bullshit
and hoping that no one sees through it so he
can look like a smart little boy. A smart little
boy who may or may not look like it, but he's
in his 50s. And I don't know his exact date of
birth, but, Mark, if you're listening, April
29th? Am I close? Anyway, reading into Kern was
an entirely different rabbit hole. And I have
a feeling he's going to come up later on in our
show. Not in this episode, but in a later episode,
because he's... He's not quiet. Now, regarding
this incident involving Emily, later, presumably
after Emily's manager made it clear how absurd
this was, Twitch finally put out a statement
saying that the assaulter was permanently banned
from the online platform and from all future
Twitch cons. That should have fucking been done
in the first place. He fucking assaulted somebody.
Yeah. Now, I mean, he might have been, like,
a violent intention, but the guy clearly has
an issue, and he violated somebody's space. Yeah,
he crossed the line. Definitely. Now, this handling
of this situation is reflective of how unserious
Twitch seems to take the responsibility as a
platform. And many believe that this lackadaisical
shit rolls downhill all the way from their CEO,
Dan Clancy. His handling of this situation early
on was pathetic, was ridiculous. And it's honestly.
Further embarrassing, knowing that he worked,
he had very important jobs for NASA and Google,
and he oversaw the product leads for YouTube
as well. So he's familiar with online platforms.
He worked for NASA. He worked for Google. He
worked for Nextdoor. He clearly should have handled
this better. Yeah. But he kind of came out looking
like a jackass. Now, he has changed up his tone
a little bit since then. And he has openly admitted
to the fact that they fucked up. They fucked
up really bad, both in their handling the situation,
allowing the situation to happen in the first
place and their response to it. And I agree with
all that. But he has to say that at this point.
I think it's a little too late. But with this
situation with this guy, according to her, that
guy was able to leave the state before they found
out who he was. Oh, my God. Or before they were
able to stop him. And she said that Twitch is
not releasing the name of this person. But she
kind of made it sound like they're not releasing
the name of this person to the police. Which
doesn't sound realistic to me. I mean, that seems
like something, a battle not worth having, you
know? So I'm not exactly sure. The thing is,
things get a little muddy pretty quickly after
the situation. Emily didn't want to bring it
to court because she said a lot of things end
up having to be under wraps and have to be under
NDAs and things like that. And she'd rather not
have to have everything be private and just be
done with the situation. So rather than suing
Twitch. She asked that they donate $100 ,000
to, like, violence awareness against women, that
kind of thing. She has also accused her ex -boyfriend
and ex -coworker. Ms. Kiff of assault, sexual
assault and of abusing her. The the sort of mental
abuse that it sounds like she went through, it's
nothing to scoff at for sure. And like he sounds
like the way that she describes him makes him
sound like he's a bit emotionally unhinged. Maybe
there was a lot of him throwing fits essentially
because she was getting more attention than he
was on live streams and having more people watch
her than him. And, yeah, like that's that's pathetic.
You know, that's a ridiculous behavior. But when
she starts to describe the and I'm not going
to describe it in detail, but when she describes
the sexual assault or what she calls a sexual
assault, it sounds more like. A miscommunication
and because essentially he approached her while
she was crying and he got some mixed signals
and tried to be affectionate with her. They dated
for a long time. And when she was surprised and
put off by this, he immediately stopped, said
he felt like he did something really wrong and
then left because he suddenly felt. Like that
was unwanted. And that to me, and this is in
her own words. And to me, that sounds like he
didn't realize that it was unwanted until that
moment. Right. And that he felt terrible for
it and he left. And that's listening to her own
story. But she does describe it as it had happened
and gives all those details. She doesn't seem
to try to embellish it or change it in any sort
of way. But her describing it as a sexual assault,
I think, is. is not really careful with her wording.
And maybe to her it did feel like an assault.
And so I think that it is a mistake for her to
call it that. But she has taken back the term
sexual assault, or at least according to her
lawyer, it is not accusing Ms. Kiff of sexual
assault, but sexual assault as she perceived
it. And there... I watched a little bit of Miss
Kiff's live stream responding to this and he
gets very emotional. He actually did. He cried
and everything when she took that accusation
back. And I think that he had been waiting for
something like that. And but he's also he's very
angry. And in his emotions, I think he's being
uncareful now because now he's saying that she
deserves jail time and all this stuff. And I'm
like. I'm like, OK, well, she said it exactly
as it happened. She didn't like accuse you of
anything completely untrue. At least it doesn't
sound like it. But since this is like an ongoing
and unfolding situation, I don't want to comment
on it too much. But I do think that he is he
needs to maybe stop and think a little bit to
how he responds to this. And I think that she.
was definitely too quick to call that a sexual
assault between her and him. Because that was,
I think, a misunderstanding. What happened to
her at TwitchCon, I do call that a sexual assault.
Oh, yeah, definitely. Like, that is absolutely,
that is putting your hands on a fucking stranger.
Like, that is. That's not okay. Yeah, that's
insane. And Ms. Kip, he doesn't strike me as
the brightest person, and he doesn't strike me
as the most in tune to other people's feelings.
And so I think he could have easily made a mistake
like that. I think he's somebody who gets emotional
very easily. And I think he might have been caught
up in the feeling of maybe thinking that he could
get her back and that that was what was happening
there. If maybe she was, you know, responding
positively to him being giving her a hug, you
know, and maybe thought he could, you know, thought
he was taking the next step or whatever. Like,
I'm not exactly sure what happened moment to
moment, but I could see him making this mistake.
Getting caught up in his emotions rather than
his logic a little bit, you know. So I think
that he needs to take a moment and breathe before
he starts saying that Emily should be in jail.
That being said, he is trying to sue her and
Asmongold for defamation because Asmongold is
calling him an abuser and all these things and
all these names and stuff. And Asmongold is also...
he's a provocateur a little bit. Um, so he, he
does try to get a rise out of things. So he's
also somebody who's like quick to, uh, make an
accusation or, you know, he's the one who said
that he thinks the ice protesters should be ran
over and, and live ammunition used on them and
things, which I mean, in context, if you want
to put it in context, he says that he's not morally
against them being run over. Um, but, and his
reasoning, like, okay, if Aspen gold wants to
get, you know, Get technical about this. I will
put it in the context of what exactly he said.
His reasoning for why you shouldn't run them
over is because you could injure them and then
they can't be used for forced labor in their
prisons. Wow. Yeah. So, you know, real stand
up guy that says me. So, yeah, no, he's a real
fucking asshole. But when it comes to Miskis,
like anger and his emotional outbursts and things.
I think that he probably did put Emily through
a lot of stress that he should not have done.
That the sexual assault moment, the way she described
it in her own words, I think it was just a mistake.
Yeah, it happens. So, yeah, I don't want to say
anything definitive, but that's that's what it
sounds like to me, just based on her own words.
So during Ms. Kiff's live stream, he was talking
about he has pulled up on the screen moments
where. He's reading the lawyer's response and
it says taking the whole context of Shung's statement
into account as the court is required to do the
situation. It compares it to another situation
where they're trying to use in the defamation
suit. They are trying to use precedent against
her. And so they're trying to differentiate it
from that. But the lawyer says like essentially
the substance of this is that Shunk describes
exactly what happened. And to her, although she
defines it as sexual assault, a reasonable viewer
would unquestionably understand that the term
is her own description of what happened. The
viewer is not left to guess the nature of the
assault based solely on the term sexual assault.
Because she did give the details. She did explain
everything. So it's not as if she just said,
he sexually assaulted me and left it at that.
She gave the details, and in my own interpretation,
hearing what she said, I think it was a mistake.
I don't think he was trying to assault her. But
he is understandably very pissed. I think it's
absurd to say she needs jail time. Maybe a bit
far, yeah. Yeah. But this is something. My favorite
thing in the world is legal counsel from the
peanut gallery. So one person in the stream in
the comments said, such horseshit. And another
person says, is this lawyer crazy? This is insane.
One person said, there's no way this holds up
in court, especially not in Texas. And it's like,
well, this lawyer is actually making a good argument
against the use of precedent in this case. It's
a decent argument. Now, when it comes to the
legal ramifications against the person who assaulted
her at TwitchCon, there were some legal breakdowns
of this. I think LegalEagle did a video on it,
and I think some other lawyers responded for,
you know, when they were questioned as experts
in these types of situations. And technically,
what happened, what was done to her at TwitchCon
cannot be considered to be. Like a sexual assault
wherein like an intimate part of her was violated
because technically in California, the lips aren't
considered an intimate place. So it's there's
a bit of a it doesn't totally fit the legal definition
in the state of California. I would still call
it a sexual assault because I think it was sexually
driven. You know, I would still call it that.
And, you know, this is a case wherein. My definition
of what happened is sexual assault. Right. We
all saw what happened. We know what happened.
It's not as if I'm saying the guy sexually assaulted
her and leaving it at that. There's a video of
it. We know what happened. He tried to kiss her.
He's a stranger. He fucking went past a lot of
people to do it, too. And that's fucking weird.
I mean, she clearly didn't want him to. Yeah.
And like, I mean, what on earth? Like, I mean,
that's that's. in my opinion. A little bit. Yeah.
So, anyway, what do you think, Bobby? I think
if Twitch had better security, a lot of this
would have been avoided. Yeah. It's like they
don't realize that these people are... are famous
in a way, you know, I mean, they may not be movie
stars, but a lot of people know who Emmy Rue
is and, you know, they need to protect these
people. If they're going to have this big crowd,
they need to do something about it. Yeah. Yeah.
You're inviting people who watch live streamers
play video games, like, like at insane lengths,
people stream for hours, you know, and some of
these people stick around for those whole streams.
And, and when you're, when you build a big crowd
of people who do that, who watch you do that,
They're not all going to be the most – there's
going to be some who are pretty socially inept,
to say the least. Do you ever read the comments
in these things as you're going? Like, people
put some weird shit in there. Yeah, yeah. Very
worrisome. I remember when I used to do live
streaming, there was a girl who said she wanted
to – kidnap me and keep me in her grandparents'
basement. Uh -huh. And hopefully she was joking,
but you don't know that she was. You know, the
thing is that my chat like tore into her. Oh
yeah. They tore into her bad and she apologized
and I didn't, I stayed out of it. I'm like, I'm
not engaging. Like, um, but yeah, no, that's,
uh. Yeah, no, it's a weird world. The online
world's a weird world. And when you're exposed
to that much, you know, like, you've got millions
of people who watch you. Yeah. There's going
to be some weirdos. And so, like, the fact that
Twitch doesn't take that into account is nuts,
right? Yeah, I would think so, yeah. And, like,
one of her stalkers showed up at a past Twitch
con. I'm sure that's probably a regular thing
for her. Because, like, especially with girls,
you know, young girls, like, you get those kinds
of people who obsess over them. You know, it's
like you're in a difficult territory. And the
fact that their CEO, who's worked for major companies
before and had huge responsibilities in the past,
he couldn't handle this. It's ridiculous. But,
like, how can there be that big of a fuck up?
And for this long, Twitch has been around for
a long time. They're not a brand new company,
you know. And they've been doing these Twitch
cons for a long time, too. And you've got these
these people who are essentially being treated
like celebrities. I mean, people don't stand
in line to just meet whoever they're going to
be. There are people who know who she is. And
so you're going to get some weirdos. And the
fact that they took this, it took this to have
them do anything about it. And like she asked,
she asked herself, she says, like, you know,
how many times has this happened? And we just
didn't. Hear about it because it happened to
somebody who didn't have the eyes on them. They
didn't have anybody recording the situation.
And so Twitch thought they could just not do
anything about it. I don't know if it's like
a cost -saving measure or what they think they're
doing. Probably. That's ridiculous. Anyway, thank
you all so much for listening. Goodbye, everybody.
Bye.