WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.100 Hello, everybody. Thank you all so much for listening 00:00:02.100 --> 00:00:04.440 to Memingless, where we look into memes to find 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:06.440 out whether or not they are, in fact, meaningless. 00:00:07.259 --> 00:00:10.400 Today is an extra exciting episode because we 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:13.220 have another special guest, but this time we 00:00:13.220 --> 00:00:16.260 have the host of one of my favorite new, or one 00:00:16.260 --> 00:00:18.579 of my new favorite podcasts, I should say, Dr. 00:00:18.780 --> 00:00:21.140 Kaveh Hoda. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. 00:00:21.859 --> 00:00:23.980 Introduce yourself. That's my line, bastard. 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:31.039 Trademark. Trademark copyright. 25 cents for 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:33.780 that. All right. Thank you for having me on your 00:00:33.780 --> 00:00:36.140 show. Thank you very much. This is very nice. 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:37.899 I'm very excited to be here. I'm very excited 00:00:37.899 --> 00:00:41.240 to learn what a meme is. Yeah. I mean, I assume 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:44.939 that you've never heard of a meme. That was my 00:00:44.939 --> 00:00:47.619 assumption when I invited you on. Listen, it's 00:00:47.619 --> 00:00:50.079 not covered in medical school. I didn't learn 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:54.020 about it. I am an older man. I don't know things. 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:56.420 I don't know. I don't know what's happening right 00:00:56.420 --> 00:00:59.200 now. I'm talking to a computer and I don't know 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:02.280 if anyone can hear it. Somehow a voice is coming 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.519 back. Like, am I imagining this? Is this real? 00:01:05.980 --> 00:01:10.159 I'm lost. Help me. Help me. Now, speaking of 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:14.980 being an old man, I am going to attempt to use 00:01:14.980 --> 00:01:19.200 Zoom here. I usually use Discord. But let's see. 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:22.060 I am actually going to. So one of the things 00:01:22.060 --> 00:01:25.420 I like to do. Oh, actually, I'm going to do to 00:01:25.420 --> 00:01:27.459 you one of the things you like to do to other 00:01:27.459 --> 00:01:30.540 people before I do the thing I like to do. Don't 00:01:30.540 --> 00:01:32.680 put a finger in my butt. I do that for work. 00:01:32.739 --> 00:01:36.099 I don't do that for pleasure with my patients. 00:01:36.140 --> 00:01:39.290 That is for work. That's work. Health. Okay, 00:01:39.349 --> 00:01:41.730 all right. Well, if I did ask you to do that, 00:01:41.810 --> 00:01:46.209 I would pay you. Oh, yeah, that's fair. But I 00:01:46.209 --> 00:01:51.230 do have a sponsor ad read for you to read. Okay, 00:01:51.250 --> 00:01:54.170 fantastic. I'm so glad I could. This episode 00:01:54.170 --> 00:01:57.250 of Memingless is brought to you by that thing 00:01:57.250 --> 00:02:00.129 my sister posted about. I can't quite remember 00:02:00.129 --> 00:02:02.230 what it is, how it works, or what it's called, 00:02:02.349 --> 00:02:04.650 but if you could prescribe that, the internet 00:02:04.650 --> 00:02:07.519 said it's good for... For the ailment, I can 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:10.780 only vaguely describe. That thing my sister posted 00:02:10.780 --> 00:02:13.759 about. Definitely not a grift. Sorry, man. I 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:17.020 ruined your perfectly good ad copy. Oh, it was 00:02:17.020 --> 00:02:19.300 beautiful. It was absolutely beautiful. That's 00:02:19.300 --> 00:02:21.800 good ad copy. I hope they're paying you well 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:25.340 for that. Yeah, yeah. No, that thing her sister 00:02:25.340 --> 00:02:30.680 posted about is they shell out pretty much nonsense. 00:02:30.780 --> 00:02:35.840 They actually didn't pay me anything. That's 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:38.900 how the grift works, I guess. It's a pyramid 00:02:38.900 --> 00:02:40.919 scheme. You don't got me to do it. It's like, 00:02:40.939 --> 00:02:42.680 as they say, there's a grift for everyone. You 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:44.199 know, we're all going to fall for something. 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:46.520 That's exact. I say that all the time. There 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:50.120 is a addiction for everyone. There is a grift 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.460 for everyone. Something will get everyone. No 00:02:53.460 --> 00:02:55.539 doubt. That is absolutely true. And then when 00:02:55.539 --> 00:02:57.879 it comes to addictions, I have been playing so 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:01.000 many video games lately that I'm not productive. 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:03.879 Once I'm off work, I've been addicted to them. 00:03:04.620 --> 00:03:07.060 And it's been like a week and I've been wasting 00:03:07.060 --> 00:03:08.960 so much time, but I've also been tired because 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:12.219 work's been busy. Yeah. Hospitals get busy. I 00:03:12.219 --> 00:03:13.680 mean, you know. You know how it is. I've heard 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:15.939 of that. Yeah, I've heard that that can happen. 00:03:16.060 --> 00:03:19.560 Yeah, treat yourself. I honestly believe that, 00:03:19.580 --> 00:03:23.020 like, in video games, if they're overdone, if 00:03:23.020 --> 00:03:25.780 someone only plays first -person shooters, if 00:03:25.780 --> 00:03:27.860 they do it to an extreme, it's unhealthy. Sure, 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:30.819 I believe that. But I think it's as valid a form 00:03:30.819 --> 00:03:34.240 of relaxation as almost any other one that is 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:37.150 more like, you know... more positively looked 00:03:37.150 --> 00:03:39.930 upon like meditation or yoga like i think it 00:03:39.930 --> 00:03:43.349 is a pretty valid form of of relaxation for for 00:03:43.349 --> 00:03:46.310 a lot of people so i'm all for it i'm glad you're 00:03:46.310 --> 00:03:48.370 playing it what are you playing um right now 00:03:48.370 --> 00:03:51.590 i've been playing a game called control uh it's 00:03:51.590 --> 00:03:54.349 uh wait hold on are you like into like steam 00:03:54.349 --> 00:03:56.750 and like hardcore gaming shit because if so i 00:03:56.750 --> 00:03:59.169 will not be able to follow you it has to be like 00:03:59.169 --> 00:04:02.870 atari or playstation for me i have i have both 00:04:02.870 --> 00:04:05.789 of those as well i actually have right now hooked 00:04:05.789 --> 00:04:09.129 up to my tv uh 20 game consoles and i'm not kidding 00:04:09.129 --> 00:04:11.770 so like and that's going all the way back to 00:04:11.770 --> 00:04:14.289 like the 80s okay well maybe maybe we do have 00:04:14.289 --> 00:04:18.009 a problem we do we do gotta get back to that 00:04:18.009 --> 00:04:20.370 later it's more of it's more of a collector hobby 00:04:20.370 --> 00:04:25.290 now uh i tormented you with the ad read already 00:04:26.060 --> 00:04:29.000 which i know that's your thing but what we like 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:32.480 to do on this show is the meme that we're covering 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:36.819 i usually like to send it to our guest and see 00:04:36.819 --> 00:04:40.459 if they can describe what is happening in the 00:04:40.459 --> 00:04:44.300 meme okay and it's okay if like you don't know 00:04:44.300 --> 00:04:46.480 for sure what it is i mean you might you probably 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.139 do but i we'll see don't don't give me too much 00:04:49.139 --> 00:04:51.800 credit let's do it let me see it here it is okay 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:57.189 it Looks like there's a man working at what looks 00:04:57.189 --> 00:05:01.069 like a cooking table or like, no, like it's something 00:05:01.069 --> 00:05:05.350 with like an experimental lab. There is a bottle 00:05:05.350 --> 00:05:08.850 in front, like an empty Coke bottle. There is 00:05:08.850 --> 00:05:14.470 a wok looking object. He has like a ladle in 00:05:14.470 --> 00:05:20.089 it and he's with his other hand holding a bowl 00:05:20.089 --> 00:05:24.259 over it. It looks like very metallic, a lot of 00:05:24.259 --> 00:05:27.819 metallic stuff happening here. And then how does 00:05:27.819 --> 00:05:29.560 it read? What does it read at the top? And it 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:32.319 reads, okay, if it flashes blue, it's a boy, 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:34.899 and if it flashes pink, it's a girl. So this 00:05:34.899 --> 00:05:37.740 is some sort of play and joke on the gender reveal 00:05:37.740 --> 00:05:40.420 stuff that we see all the time now. But it has 00:05:40.420 --> 00:05:42.759 something to do with science, and I'm guessing 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:47.420 this is like some Tesla -level science guy. I 00:05:47.420 --> 00:05:50.740 should probably know, but I don't. Tell me what's 00:05:50.740 --> 00:05:53.360 going on. What is it? It is so fantastic that 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:55.160 you didn't immediately recognize it because I 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:57.939 was kind of afraid that this was in like a popular 00:05:57.939 --> 00:05:59.959 documentary I missed or something and everybody 00:05:59.959 --> 00:06:02.699 already knows what it is. But no, I had no idea 00:06:02.699 --> 00:06:05.220 what this was when I first saw it. So I kind 00:06:05.220 --> 00:06:07.779 of dug into it. I did like some image searches 00:06:07.779 --> 00:06:11.439 and some research and I am going to dig into 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:15.470 this here. Dr. Hoda, Cave with Cream. Hoda man. 00:06:16.290 --> 00:06:19.029 I'll take any of those. However you want to be 00:06:19.029 --> 00:06:23.029 addressed. I am going to cover this meme and 00:06:23.029 --> 00:06:25.649 what the image is. Now, we're going to focus 00:06:25.649 --> 00:06:27.170 mostly on the image. We're not going to focus 00:06:27.170 --> 00:06:28.889 so much on the gender reveal thing because I 00:06:28.889 --> 00:06:31.550 know that there's going to be a meme in the future 00:06:31.550 --> 00:06:34.610 where I can dig into that. But this was unique 00:06:34.610 --> 00:06:37.430 when I read about this. And I kind of want to 00:06:37.430 --> 00:06:39.649 step back in time a little bit. Now, typically, 00:06:39.730 --> 00:06:44.240 I like to cover things that are... Because usually 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.120 that's what's trending. But there were a ton 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:49.899 of memes involving this specific thing. And we 00:06:49.899 --> 00:06:51.660 have to kind of go back in history to understand 00:06:51.660 --> 00:06:54.379 the origins of it. So I want to talk briefly. 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:57.060 Can I ask a quick question before you do that? 00:06:57.180 --> 00:06:59.540 Yeah. Where did you see this meme? Because I 00:06:59.540 --> 00:07:02.279 feel like I see most memes on Twitter, but I 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:04.439 have not seen this one. Where did you see this? 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:08.360 I do a lot of lurking on Reddit. I mean, I don't 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:10.100 ever get on there to post, but I do a lot of 00:07:10.100 --> 00:07:13.860 lurking. And there's one that I have found is 00:07:13.860 --> 00:07:17.480 really good for memes that people aren't quite 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:20.800 understanding. And it's called Peter Explain 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:24.319 the Joke. So like it's basically these vague 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:26.480 memes that people don't understand the background 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:30.139 of. And so it's kind of a good source to get 00:07:30.139 --> 00:07:31.819 to because a lot of this stuff ends up getting 00:07:31.819 --> 00:07:34.560 shared on like kind of, you know, sometimes Twitter 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:38.060 or Facebook or Reddit or whatever without anybody 00:07:38.060 --> 00:07:41.740 giving the actual context. And so I kind of like 00:07:41.740 --> 00:07:44.399 to dig into some of those things. The ones I 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:46.560 like to cover the most are the ones that are 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.649 spreading misinformation. But this one. It turned 00:07:50.649 --> 00:07:53.209 out more interesting than misinforming. There 00:07:53.209 --> 00:07:56.089 was one little tidbit in the comments that a 00:07:56.089 --> 00:07:58.709 lot of people were posting that is not technically 00:07:58.709 --> 00:08:02.149 true about this situation. And I will go over 00:08:02.149 --> 00:08:04.750 that. All right. I like it. Battling misinformation. 00:08:05.350 --> 00:08:08.810 I'm on board. You got me. It's my favorite thing 00:08:08.810 --> 00:08:10.529 to do. It's the whole reason I started this podcast. 00:08:11.389 --> 00:08:14.110 Yeah, I hear you. In order to give this meme 00:08:14.110 --> 00:08:16.689 context, I want to step back in time, a little 00:08:16.689 --> 00:08:18.670 bit back in history, to talk about the first 00:08:18.670 --> 00:08:21.629 woman who won the Nobel Prize, Mary Curie. There 00:08:21.629 --> 00:08:23.430 are a few things most people know about her, 00:08:23.529 --> 00:08:26.410 like the fact that she was a chemist, physicist, 00:08:26.750 --> 00:08:28.870 and a pioneer of discovering and researching 00:08:28.870 --> 00:08:32.929 radioactivity. And famously, she likely died 00:08:32.929 --> 00:08:38.100 of long -term radiation poisoning. This had a 00:08:38.100 --> 00:08:40.419 lot to do with the fact that the dangers of radiation 00:08:40.419 --> 00:08:43.240 and radioactivity were not yet known at the time, 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:45.019 so there weren't a lot of safety precautions 00:08:45.019 --> 00:08:48.419 taken in regard to handling potentially radioactive 00:08:48.419 --> 00:08:51.039 materials. I'm going to read a quote from her. 00:08:51.500 --> 00:08:53.259 when she was talking about her working conditions. 00:08:53.620 --> 00:08:56.000 The School of Physics could give us no suitable 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:59.039 premises. For lack of anything better, the director 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:01.620 permitted us to use an abandoned shed, which 00:09:01.620 --> 00:09:05.039 had been in service as a dissecting room of the 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:07.539 School of Medicine. Its glass roof did not afford 00:09:07.539 --> 00:09:09.879 complete shelter against the rain. The heat was 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:12.200 suffocating in the summer, and the bitter cold 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:15.419 of winter was only a little lessened by the iron 00:09:15.419 --> 00:09:18.279 stove, except in its immediate vicinity. There 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:37.079 was no question of obtaining the needed... With 00:09:37.079 --> 00:09:41.559 this equipment, we entered our exhausting work. 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:47.649 Not ideal for handling dangerous... No, this 00:09:47.649 --> 00:09:51.210 does not seem like a laboratory. It was well 00:09:51.210 --> 00:09:54.149 designed to deal with radioactivity. It looks 00:09:54.149 --> 00:09:58.049 like a workbench in a garage. Yeah, and that's 00:09:58.049 --> 00:10:00.889 essentially what she describes. And with a leaky 00:10:00.889 --> 00:10:05.970 roof, even. And this does not bode well for handling 00:10:05.970 --> 00:10:08.809 radioactive material, obviously. Her quote continues 00:10:08.809 --> 00:10:11.850 with a part that had been brought up by... At 00:10:11.850 --> 00:10:14.710 least one of my physics teachers and one of my 00:10:14.710 --> 00:10:18.649 chemist teachers. And it says, one of our joys 00:10:18.649 --> 00:10:21.269 was to go into our workroom at night. We then 00:10:21.269 --> 00:10:25.029 perceived on all sides a feebly luminous silhouette 00:10:25.029 --> 00:10:28.429 of all the bottles or capsules containing our 00:10:28.429 --> 00:10:32.429 products. It was really lovely sight. Always 00:10:32.429 --> 00:10:34.669 new to us. The glowing tubes looked like faint 00:10:34.669 --> 00:10:37.809 fairy lights. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it looked 00:10:37.809 --> 00:10:41.809 beautiful. That radium chloride soaking into 00:10:41.809 --> 00:10:46.590 her bones. Yep. Delicious. I'm sure her bone 00:10:46.590 --> 00:10:50.330 marrow thanked her later on. So... Don't check 00:10:50.330 --> 00:10:57.190 that. Often attributed to her attraction to this 00:10:57.190 --> 00:10:59.690 glow, many had cited her frequent handling of 00:10:59.690 --> 00:11:03.470 radium as the cause of the aplastic anemia that 00:11:03.470 --> 00:11:07.549 took her life. But since she wasn't likely ingesting 00:11:07.549 --> 00:11:11.029 it, some had speculated that it was more likely 00:11:11.029 --> 00:11:14.070 caused during her fieldwork in World War I when 00:11:14.070 --> 00:11:16.370 she was practicing radiology without any sort 00:11:16.370 --> 00:11:20.149 of protection. That being said, though, supposedly 00:11:20.149 --> 00:11:27.129 100 years later after she passed, many of her 00:11:27.129 --> 00:11:28.889 possessions, including her original paperwork, 00:11:29.129 --> 00:11:31.330 were considered too dangerous to be handled because 00:11:31.330 --> 00:11:34.230 they were still radioactive. Yeah, I've heard 00:11:34.230 --> 00:11:38.929 that. And her paperwork is kept in lead -lined 00:11:38.929 --> 00:11:41.990 boxes, and protective clothing is required before 00:11:41.990 --> 00:11:44.659 handling it. Yeah, I've heard that. That is interesting 00:11:44.659 --> 00:11:47.559 because she did work with a guy that, getting 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:49.759 back to what you said, she did work with a guy 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:52.240 who invented the x -ray, I think, correct? I 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:55.159 mean, that was like how she started off before. 00:11:55.980 --> 00:11:58.200 I mean, I don't know enough of her history as 00:11:58.200 --> 00:11:59.980 much as I should considering how important she 00:11:59.980 --> 00:12:05.059 is. But so she was working with the guy, Roenken, 00:12:05.139 --> 00:12:09.519 I think his name was, Wilhelm Roenken. They named 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:13.769 like x -rays after him. Yeah, yeah. She used 00:12:13.769 --> 00:12:16.649 that experience to basically do volunteer work 00:12:16.649 --> 00:12:20.309 during World War I. So she was out there on the 00:12:20.309 --> 00:12:23.750 field doing actual work because of her experience 00:12:23.750 --> 00:12:27.769 with that kind of thing. And I had read somewhere 00:12:27.769 --> 00:12:31.649 that she was using irradiated material to seal 00:12:31.649 --> 00:12:34.879 up. wounds that would otherwise have been you 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:37.460 know led to amputation things like that i don't 00:12:37.460 --> 00:12:40.080 know how accurate all that is because i can only 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:42.580 find like one or two sources that said it and 00:12:42.580 --> 00:12:44.259 when they reference each other i get a little 00:12:44.259 --> 00:12:48.600 suspicious you know yeah yeah no i hear you uh 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:50.299 yeah i didn't i didn't know about and i honestly 00:12:50.299 --> 00:12:52.159 can't imagine that being of any use whatsoever 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:54.860 but yeah um i know that she worked with x -rays 00:12:54.860 --> 00:12:56.320 so yeah i guess it makes sense she would have 00:12:56.320 --> 00:13:01.120 a lot of i guess possible cancer causing agents 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.820 in her life and something that would wipe out 00:13:03.820 --> 00:13:08.539 her bone marrow as well i guess but she i guess 00:13:08.539 --> 00:13:10.039 you're gonna tell me you're gonna tell me how 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:12.080 this picture ties into this because i'm still 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:14.759 fascinated by this metal contraption that looks 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:17.220 like a walk yeah so we yeah we're gonna get to 00:13:17.220 --> 00:13:20.740 that so uh mary curie died in 1934 at the age 00:13:20.740 --> 00:13:25.159 of 66 but and like it obviously you can't prove 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:28.559 exactly what caused mary curie to die you know 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:32.309 like so many years later but i will say that 00:13:32.309 --> 00:13:36.730 basically a decade after her death uh safety 00:13:36.730 --> 00:13:40.409 precautions didn't completely improve like we 00:13:40.409 --> 00:13:43.210 still hadn't quite nailed it so like in in the 00:13:43.210 --> 00:13:46.850 30s uh after you know so she died in 1934 and 00:13:46.850 --> 00:13:50.149 in the 30s there had there continued to be tremendous 00:13:50.149 --> 00:13:52.830 breakthroughs in understanding radioactivity 00:13:52.830 --> 00:13:55.450 along with other generalized physics and chemistry 00:13:55.450 --> 00:13:59.029 and like with any scientific progress of course 00:13:59.029 --> 00:14:01.330 the people who have the best intentions in mind 00:14:01.330 --> 00:14:05.669 are the world governments right so They always 00:14:05.669 --> 00:14:08.570 have the best intentions, you know? Yeah. And 00:14:08.570 --> 00:14:11.970 that's why we come to a program codenamed Tube 00:14:11.970 --> 00:14:15.710 Alloys. It's a collaboration between Great Britain 00:14:15.710 --> 00:14:18.710 and Canada, and it would be the first nuclear 00:14:18.710 --> 00:14:22.110 weapons project, which would later be subsumed 00:14:22.110 --> 00:14:24.649 into the Manhattan Project. That is a little 00:14:24.649 --> 00:14:26.669 better known, and that's a collaboration between 00:14:26.669 --> 00:14:29.769 Canada and the United States, which I have to 00:14:29.769 --> 00:14:32.029 say, who would have thought Canada would have 00:14:32.029 --> 00:14:35.100 it in them? Yeah, you know what? I'm glad that 00:14:35.100 --> 00:14:37.419 we're not laying them off the hook. I'm so tired 00:14:37.419 --> 00:14:39.200 of them thinking they're better than us because 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:43.080 they're essentially just a slight variation of 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:49.080 the same nonsense. It's so true. It's their calm 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:51.240 voice and their politeness that just tricks us 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:53.159 into thinking they're all decent. But really, 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:56.759 we were only involved in one nuclear weapons 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:00.679 project and they were involved in two. If anything, 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:05.019 they're twice as bad as us. Yeah. Maple -loving 00:15:05.019 --> 00:15:10.419 monsters. I love you, Canada. I'm sorry. I do, 00:15:10.539 --> 00:15:14.659 too. I actually wanted to go to the University 00:15:14.659 --> 00:15:20.299 of Toronto before I changed paths. No, Canada's 00:15:20.299 --> 00:15:23.360 pretty great. You should go to Montreal is where 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:27.059 you've got to go. Yeah, you've got to go. It's 00:15:27.059 --> 00:15:29.980 great. Great bagels. And we're going to talk 00:15:29.980 --> 00:15:33.799 about some Canadians, actually. I thought you 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:34.480 were going to say we're going to talk about some 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:36.200 bagels, and I was really excited. Oh, no, we 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:38.240 could talk about that, too. We could talk about 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:40.279 that, too. Let's talk about bagels. I do like 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:42.039 me some bagels. I like the everything bagel. 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:44.860 That's my favorite. Oh, that's disgusting. What? 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:49.480 How? Come on, focus. Focus on something. You 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:51.940 can't have everything on a bagel. It's ridiculous. 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:56.899 Give me two flavors at most. Define everything. 00:15:57.980 --> 00:16:01.019 You know, that's too much stuff. You know they 00:16:01.019 --> 00:16:03.580 banned everything bagels in South Korea recently? 00:16:04.980 --> 00:16:07.659 No, and I don't know why. Why is that? There 00:16:07.659 --> 00:16:09.720 was something in the seasoning they don't like. 00:16:09.860 --> 00:16:11.159 I mean, if it's got everything, there's going 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:13.700 to be something illegal in it, right? Oh, so 00:16:13.700 --> 00:16:16.340 they banned it, banned it. Like, they just didn't 00:16:16.340 --> 00:16:18.139 like it. They're like, this can't come. We can't 00:16:18.139 --> 00:16:21.559 have this anymore. Yeah, they legally banned 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:25.559 everything seasoning. In South Korea, and I haven't 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:28.480 looked enough into it why to really discuss it. 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:31.039 Because they have good taste, that's why. Because 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:32.919 they have good taste, that's the only reason. 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:35.960 Because they know better, is what you're saying. 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:39.940 Yeah, exactly. Now, the U .S., though. Okay, 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:44.720 getting back to our situation here, our meme. 00:16:45.210 --> 00:16:47.129 That doesn't technically have anything to do 00:16:47.129 --> 00:16:49.570 with bagels unless everything includes whatever 00:16:49.570 --> 00:16:52.730 that metal thing is in the picture. Now, the 00:16:52.730 --> 00:16:55.389 U .S. would not fully share the results of their 00:16:55.389 --> 00:16:57.610 research on nuclear weapons with Great Britain. 00:16:57.809 --> 00:17:02.110 But don't worry. The Soviet Union would use spies 00:17:02.110 --> 00:17:04.829 to gain information about atomic research. And 00:17:04.829 --> 00:17:07.529 today we have eight sovereign states with nuclear 00:17:07.529 --> 00:17:10.869 weapons. Everything worked out. Yep, everything 00:17:10.869 --> 00:17:13.529 worked out fine. The United States was first, 00:17:13.569 --> 00:17:15.799 though, so we're still number one. And another 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:18.079 thing we can also be proud of is that the U .S. 00:17:18.099 --> 00:17:20.339 is still the only country to have ever used nuclear 00:17:20.339 --> 00:17:23.759 weapons in armed conflict. Haha, we're number 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:27.019 one. We're number one. Okay, maybe that's not 00:17:27.019 --> 00:17:30.450 something to be proud of. Yeah, but yeah, so 00:17:30.450 --> 00:17:33.250 on August 6th and August 9th, the United States 00:17:33.250 --> 00:17:36.150 dropped the bomb named Little Boy on Hiroshima 00:17:36.150 --> 00:17:39.650 and Fat Man on Nagasaki. Most people are aware 00:17:39.650 --> 00:17:42.829 of these events and these two bombs, but, and 00:17:42.829 --> 00:17:45.089 this was something I was previously unaware of, 00:17:45.170 --> 00:17:46.750 and this is probably because I'm not like the 00:17:46.750 --> 00:17:49.470 biggest history buff, and I probably should be 00:17:49.470 --> 00:17:51.970 to give myself more context of the things I talk 00:17:51.970 --> 00:17:56.509 about, but there was a third nuclear weapon being 00:17:56.509 --> 00:17:59.849 prepared to be dropped on Japan. It was ultimately 00:17:59.849 --> 00:18:03.730 unused, not because we grew a conscience as a 00:18:03.730 --> 00:18:06.809 country, but because Japan surrendered. God. 00:18:07.089 --> 00:18:09.009 Yeah. How many bombs were we going to drop on 00:18:09.009 --> 00:18:10.670 those four people? I don't know. For the love 00:18:10.670 --> 00:18:14.710 of God. I don't know enough about this either, 00:18:14.930 --> 00:18:18.769 because I'm getting to that age now where I have 00:18:18.769 --> 00:18:23.329 developed an interest in smoking meats in World 00:18:23.329 --> 00:18:25.829 War II history. I have gotten to that point, 00:18:25.890 --> 00:18:29.170 but only recently, so I still don't know that 00:18:29.170 --> 00:18:33.349 much about it. I'm not surprised, I guess I should 00:18:33.349 --> 00:18:35.690 say. It's not surprising that we had an extra 00:18:35.690 --> 00:18:37.910 one up our sleeves that we were working on. I'm 00:18:37.910 --> 00:18:39.829 mostly surprised that I hadn't heard about it 00:18:39.829 --> 00:18:43.630 before, you know? Even as somebody who doesn't... 00:18:43.630 --> 00:18:45.609 Like, I didn't read a whole lot about World War 00:18:45.609 --> 00:18:49.869 II, you know? But, like, I'm shocked that this 00:18:49.869 --> 00:18:52.430 wasn't, like, something that was more common... 00:18:52.430 --> 00:18:54.009 Like, enough common knowledge for me to have 00:18:54.009 --> 00:18:56.250 just come across it at some point, you know? 00:18:56.529 --> 00:19:02.029 Yeah. But... So, what we're looking at in the 00:19:02.029 --> 00:19:05.910 image, this is a replica of the plutonium core 00:19:05.910 --> 00:19:08.779 that had been... prepared for the third bomb 00:19:08.779 --> 00:19:14.279 uh yeah so uh it's one of the things that one 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:16.480 of the pieces of misinformation that was going 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:20.000 around was that this was a photograph taken uh 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:22.960 during you know like during the time that they 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:25.240 were actually working on the core but no this 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:27.960 was this is a replica this is like a reenactment 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:31.819 of this of the the event um you don't Now, we'd 00:19:31.819 --> 00:19:33.480 never use this third bomb, but you don't have 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:35.400 to feel bad for the unused core. It actually 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:39.160 made history in other ways. On August 21st, 1945, 00:19:39.740 --> 00:19:43.099 at the Los Alamos Laboratory in New Mexico, a 00:19:43.099 --> 00:19:47.180 very young physicist, 24 -year -old Harutun Krieger 00:19:47.180 --> 00:19:49.180 -Daglian, I'm probably butchering that name, 00:19:49.339 --> 00:19:52.660 he was working with this core. He was manually 00:19:52.660 --> 00:19:55.920 building a neutron reflector around the core. 00:19:56.619 --> 00:19:59.799 with tungsten bricks so a neutron reflector essentially 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:03.740 reduces the mass that would be required in order 00:20:03.740 --> 00:20:08.220 to reach criticality by reflecting neutrons back 00:20:08.220 --> 00:20:12.200 into the core so as douglian was about to add 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:14.440 the final tungsten brick the neutron counters 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:17.960 monitoring the activity signaled that this additional 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:20.500 brick would cause super criticality which is 00:20:20.500 --> 00:20:23.829 definitely not what he wanted Yeah, it sounds 00:20:23.829 --> 00:20:25.789 really bad. Yeah, it sounds like a scary thing 00:20:25.789 --> 00:20:29.529 that's going to happen. With the brick still 00:20:29.529 --> 00:20:32.569 in hand, he attempts to move his hand away from 00:20:32.569 --> 00:20:35.349 the core, but drops the brick into the assembly 00:20:35.349 --> 00:20:38.779 and onto the core. He attempts to bat the brick 00:20:38.779 --> 00:20:41.740 away, but to no avail. And the core became what's 00:20:41.740 --> 00:20:45.180 called prompt critical. So this is having a nuclear 00:20:45.180 --> 00:20:47.799 fission chain reaction that's happening. And 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:50.079 that means he's being exposed to dangerous amounts 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:53.759 of radiation. I'm assuming he's not wearing anything 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:57.220 protective either. Oh, no. Oh, of course not. 00:20:58.220 --> 00:21:02.440 This is in the 40s. Like, we're talking, there's 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:04.460 no such thing as safety back then, you know? 00:21:04.500 --> 00:21:07.980 Yeah, yeah. You know how people look back at, 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:12.480 they post a picture of kids riding bikes without 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:14.460 helmets. It's like, well, today they'd have knee 00:21:14.460 --> 00:21:18.579 pads and a bubble suit and all this. I feel like 00:21:18.579 --> 00:21:20.779 the same type of people would look at those big 00:21:20.779 --> 00:21:23.079 radiation suits and be like, yeah, we did it 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:27.220 all by hand back in the 40s. Pussies. They're 00:21:27.220 --> 00:21:32.059 consolation prizes. We handled bricks of radiation. 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:34.619 We used to lick them to stick them together. 00:21:35.679 --> 00:21:41.279 He usually has a paperweight. To stop this chain 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:45.160 reaction, Doglian removes some of the other tungsten 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:48.539 bricks, but not before having a lethal dose of 00:21:48.539 --> 00:21:51.500 radiation. Medical treatment actually gets started 00:21:51.500 --> 00:21:55.019 immediately on him, but he ends up with severe 00:21:55.019 --> 00:21:59.819 radiation poisoning and dies in a coma 25 days 00:21:59.819 --> 00:22:03.609 after the event. Fucking terrible. Yeah, it's 00:22:03.609 --> 00:22:07.069 awful. That's a horrible way to go. And Douglian, 00:22:07.150 --> 00:22:09.450 so Douglian was the first person to die from 00:22:09.450 --> 00:22:12.210 a critical accident, which is, you know, radiation 00:22:12.210 --> 00:22:16.309 exposure due to an unintended criticality. So 00:22:16.309 --> 00:22:19.849 this earned the Corps the nickname Demon Corps. 00:22:20.809 --> 00:22:22.970 Now, originally, originally it was a Swedish 00:22:22.970 --> 00:22:26.630 music genre also. Yeah, it does. It sounds, it 00:22:26.630 --> 00:22:28.910 does sound like, uh, one of those, even like 00:22:28.910 --> 00:22:32.829 an Eastern European metal, like, like, like, 00:22:32.869 --> 00:22:35.950 yeah, mostly listen to demon core. I'm into the 00:22:35.950 --> 00:22:40.369 demon core. I'd actually be surprised if there's 00:22:40.369 --> 00:22:43.289 not something already called that. Yeah. Yeah. 00:22:43.470 --> 00:22:45.269 We'll check it later. Yeah. Oh yeah. We're going 00:22:45.269 --> 00:22:48.009 to look up demon core for sure. Um, but, uh, 00:22:48.210 --> 00:22:53.130 so. The United States is not about to let a perfectly 00:22:53.130 --> 00:22:55.809 good core go to waste. Just because it's a little 00:22:55.809 --> 00:22:57.690 demonic doesn't mean we need to throw it away, 00:22:57.829 --> 00:23:01.490 right? Yeah. Waste that stuff? Yeah, seriously. 00:23:01.609 --> 00:23:03.569 And what are the chances that this is going to 00:23:03.569 --> 00:23:06.430 happen again, right? I'm assuming three more 00:23:06.430 --> 00:23:11.349 times. Well, this is one thing. We both work 00:23:11.349 --> 00:23:15.029 in hospitals. And so I think the best practice 00:23:15.029 --> 00:23:18.750 is to err opposite the side of caution. I'm pretty 00:23:18.750 --> 00:23:20.490 certain that's how hospitals work. I haven't 00:23:20.490 --> 00:23:22.670 asked the one I work for, but I'm guessing that's 00:23:22.670 --> 00:23:27.250 generally accepted best practice. Plus, it's 00:23:27.250 --> 00:23:29.549 probably called demon core for good luck, right? 00:23:30.490 --> 00:23:34.349 Yeah. Right. It's like sometimes things are sort 00:23:34.349 --> 00:23:37.369 of like you say something's really nasty, but 00:23:37.369 --> 00:23:40.269 it means it's good. Yeah. It's like the ironic. 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:43.440 Sort of thing that's happening here. Yeah. Or 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:44.940 when you're getting on stage, they tell you to 00:23:44.940 --> 00:23:48.680 break a leg. Yeah. That's gotta be it. Like demon 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:51.420 core is like, this is super cool. Yeah. Otherwise 00:23:51.420 --> 00:23:53.200 they'd call it the fairy core. And then we'd 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.859 know to avoid it. I mean, that's probably not 00:23:55.859 --> 00:24:01.279 in the forties. That's true. Yeah. Ooh. Yeah. 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:05.339 No man core is what they would call this. The, 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:10.039 the masculine core. Yeah, exactly. So, all right. 00:24:10.460 --> 00:24:14.240 Okay, picture this. You are at Los Alamos Laboratory 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:17.779 working with atomic weapons research, and an 00:24:17.779 --> 00:24:20.740 eccentric man walks in, dressed unlike any of 00:24:20.740 --> 00:24:23.160 the other scientists. He's wearing blue jeans 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:26.700 and a cowboy hat and standing at a towering 5 00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:30.819 '8". He's cool. Not like the other scientists. 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:34.160 That's right. He's the cool scientist. I'm going 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:36.660 to send you a picture of this guy, and I kind 00:24:36.660 --> 00:24:38.779 of want to know your first impression when you 00:24:38.779 --> 00:24:42.519 just see what he looks like. What do you think 00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:47.420 of the photo? The photo is of a nerdy -looking 00:24:47.420 --> 00:24:51.829 accountant. And he looks like he's been arrested 00:24:51.829 --> 00:24:55.769 and he's getting his mug shot. That was my first 00:24:55.769 --> 00:24:57.890 impression, too. As soon as I saw this picture, 00:24:57.950 --> 00:25:00.069 I'm like, oh, what the fuck did this guy do? 00:25:01.230 --> 00:25:03.309 But no, no, this is actually the way they took 00:25:03.309 --> 00:25:06.190 their IDs at the Los Alamos laboratory. So this 00:25:06.190 --> 00:25:10.289 is his ID photo. Yeah. He's a bad boy, this guy. 00:25:10.430 --> 00:25:14.369 Yeah. Spectacle scientist. Bad boy, cowboy. So 00:25:14.369 --> 00:25:19.160 this is Louis Slotin. Essentially, he's a Jewish 00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:22.940 cowboy physicist, and he was born to Yiddish 00:25:22.940 --> 00:25:25.700 -speaking parents in Canada. See, I told you 00:25:25.700 --> 00:25:28.799 Canada was coming back. And so his parents had 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:31.740 fled there to escape the programs happening in 00:25:31.740 --> 00:25:36.359 Russia at the time. So with this background, 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.660 Lewis's family recognized and practiced certain 00:25:39.660 --> 00:25:41.640 traditions, which will actually be important 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.119 later on. Throughout school, Lewis excelled. 00:25:45.180 --> 00:25:48.619 His brother Sam even said that he had this uncanny 00:25:48.619 --> 00:25:51.140 ability to just study for long periods of time, 00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:53.279 like hours. He could just study and study and 00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:56.519 study. He had a huge impact, actually, on the 00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:58.480 understanding and development of nuclear technology. 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:02.140 And in fact, if you've ever heard the terms dollars 00:26:02.140 --> 00:26:04.940 or cents referring to the interval between delayed 00:26:04.940 --> 00:26:08.759 and prompt reactivity, Lewis is the one who coined 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:14.220 that term. Wow. Yeah. So stylish and iconic. 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:17.619 That's right. Um, I wish he had the cowboy hat 00:26:17.619 --> 00:26:19.640 on in the picture though. That'd be, that's something 00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:21.940 he actually did. He wore a cowboy hat. Yes. Yep. 00:26:22.019 --> 00:26:25.400 Yeah. He was reported to a, yeah, just walking 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:27.579 into a laboratory with the cowboy hat on. Now, 00:26:27.619 --> 00:26:29.259 like when I see somebody walking around Walmart 00:26:29.259 --> 00:26:31.299 with a cowboy hat on, I'm like, yeah, okay, cool. 00:26:31.500 --> 00:26:33.720 Um, but man, if you walk, if you're a physicist 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:36.160 and you walk into a nuclear laboratory and you're 00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:39.000 just wearing a cowboy hat, like there's, that's 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:41.559 Buckaroo Banzai right there. Like, That's a badass. 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:46.680 Yeah, yeah. Now, okay, so you didn't laugh at 00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:49.299 my coined joke, even though that was comedy gold. 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.220 It was fantastic. That's my bad. Thanks, thanks. 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:55.200 Have you ever wanted to coin a term in your field? 00:26:55.700 --> 00:26:59.519 No. I mean, I never quite understood that. Like, 00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:02.319 discovering a disease and naming it after yourself 00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:06.420 always seems strange to me. I don't know why 00:27:06.420 --> 00:27:09.380 I'd want my name associated with a gangrene of, 00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:14.359 like, the perineum. So, yeah. Perineum gangrene. 00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:22.000 Yeah. Don't look up Fournier's gangrene. No, 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:26.220 don't. Or do. Or do. Yeah, learn something today. 00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:30.019 That's true, true. Yeah, no, but that never appealed 00:27:30.019 --> 00:27:33.039 to me. yeah i mean so like i mean you don't have 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:34.900 to name it after yourself so he he called those 00:27:34.900 --> 00:27:38.859 dollars and cents um you know in his that's you 00:27:38.859 --> 00:27:41.259 know he didn't name it after himself like maybe 00:27:41.259 --> 00:27:44.420 maybe you maybe like a a medical instrument that 00:27:44.420 --> 00:27:48.480 you you know like the the cave dilator you know 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:54.140 yeah no still still no no i mean you know and 00:27:54.140 --> 00:27:57.819 also like we when i started to train we were 00:27:57.819 --> 00:28:01.389 starting to try and move away from like diseases 00:28:01.389 --> 00:28:03.990 named after people. Cause like the more we learned 00:28:03.990 --> 00:28:05.829 about those people, the more we realized they 00:28:05.829 --> 00:28:08.329 probably were terrible people. Like, you know, 00:28:08.329 --> 00:28:10.470 we'd be like, this is a really important contribution 00:28:10.470 --> 00:28:12.990 to science, but the person that named this disease 00:28:12.990 --> 00:28:16.170 was also probably a Nazi. So we don't have to 00:28:16.170 --> 00:28:18.650 use the person's name. So we were kind of moving 00:28:18.650 --> 00:28:22.970 away from it. So yeah, no, I'd rather, I'd rather 00:28:22.970 --> 00:28:25.250 have a sandwich in a local sub shop named after 00:28:25.250 --> 00:28:27.849 me. That's what I would like. That would make 00:28:27.849 --> 00:28:34.480 me happy. The Kaveh MD BLT. Just the Kaveh. Just 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:38.200 the Kaveh. Like that. And it would have turkey. 00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:43.059 It would have... I imagine it would have a vinaigrette 00:28:43.059 --> 00:28:46.519 on it. No, I don't want turkey. I want shredded 00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:50.019 chicken is what I want. I want shredded lettuce. 00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:59.079 I want New Mexico roasted chilies. on it um and 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:00.900 so i want to have a little bit of heat it's got 00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:03.220 to have a little bit of spice to it yeah um and 00:29:03.220 --> 00:29:08.160 like a spicy aioli on like a toasted thin sourdough 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.900 bread but it has to be thin. It has to be sourdough. 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.160 That's where I'd start with it. I'll think more 00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:15.940 about the details of this later, but that's where 00:29:15.940 --> 00:29:17.700 I want my sandwich to start. You're on to something. 00:29:17.900 --> 00:29:19.799 You're on to something here, I think. Yeah. And 00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:21.519 one of my favorite things about talking to you 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:25.480 is how we always stay on subject. Yeah. Honestly, 00:29:26.259 --> 00:29:28.180 I'm home. Have you noticed? I'm trying to get 00:29:28.180 --> 00:29:30.720 you on to talking about bagels and sandwiches 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.299 and food, and you want to talk about science. 00:29:34.859 --> 00:29:37.880 Yeah, I know. Science? We're talking about science, 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:40.799 the thing? that i love the thing that i that 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:44.339 i practice the thing that i die for we're talking 00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:47.339 about science talking about science yeah yeah 00:29:47.339 --> 00:29:49.559 we're gonna like i mean we're just hanging out 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.059 talking about science i mean we're food sorry 00:29:52.059 --> 00:29:54.079 i was talking about food it's fine it was an 00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:56.880 alan iverson reference i'm sorry i'm sorry go 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.000 on go on go on tell me tell me more about this 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.079 cowboy nerd well this might be shocking to you 00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:07.980 but uh lewis worked with the demon core Actually, 00:30:08.019 --> 00:30:09.640 I guess that's not that shocking. I wouldn't 00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:12.019 have brought him up otherwise. But much like 00:30:12.019 --> 00:30:15.220 Doglian, part of Lewis's work was with neutron 00:30:15.220 --> 00:30:18.299 reflectors. But rather than building a shield 00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:20.480 around it, you know, physically by hand with 00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:23.519 tungsten bricks, the core had a dome -shaped 00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.559 beryllium shield. And the bottom half of the 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:28.680 sphere was already like, so like it's a sphere 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:30.740 -shaped shield, but like the bottom half is already 00:30:30.740 --> 00:30:34.880 attached to the plutonium core. And the top one... 00:30:35.259 --> 00:30:38.180 has like a thumb hole in the top that can be 00:30:38.180 --> 00:30:40.480 that way it can be lowered down carefully in 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.980 order to kind of test the reactivity of it and 00:30:43.980 --> 00:30:47.160 see if like what activity you can increase as 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:51.000 you lower the shield down and this shield so 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.640 like there are these brackets that keep the shield 00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:56.680 open enough that enough energy is coming out 00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.259 that it's not going to reach that chain reaction 00:30:59.259 --> 00:31:01.859 and reach super criticality now if these shields 00:31:01.859 --> 00:31:03.680 are supposed if these shields close together 00:31:04.569 --> 00:31:08.809 That's a dangerous situation. So, Lewis, in addition 00:31:08.809 --> 00:31:11.309 to being a dedicated scientist, was, as far as 00:31:11.309 --> 00:31:12.789 I could tell, a little bit of a free spirit. 00:31:12.970 --> 00:31:15.509 And some of the colleagues would joke that he 00:31:15.509 --> 00:31:18.009 would often do something called tickling the 00:31:18.009 --> 00:31:20.349 dragon's tail. Have you ever heard this term? 00:31:20.569 --> 00:31:23.660 I'm assuming that's... Code for masturbating. 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.819 It sounds like it, but it's actually not. So 00:31:26.819 --> 00:31:29.700 this term comes from the very famous Richard 00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:33.559 Feynman. He would often refer to a certain practice 00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:36.779 as tickling the tail of a sleeping dragon. So 00:31:36.779 --> 00:31:39.200 when these dome shield, when the dome shield 00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:42.440 is in place, the core. the activity of the core 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:46.319 increases by the aforementioned process of reflecting 00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:49.420 energy back into the core and thus causing the 00:31:49.420 --> 00:31:51.839 mass to increase in radioactivity more quickly. 00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:55.519 But you have those brackets that keep it from 00:31:55.519 --> 00:32:00.819 completely closing. Now, Dr. Hoda, I want to 00:32:00.819 --> 00:32:03.880 ask you a question. So you've looked in a lot 00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:08.390 of butts, right? If you've ever been unable to 00:32:08.390 --> 00:32:11.529 find the dilator, would you improvise and use 00:32:11.529 --> 00:32:15.309 something else to prop the anus open? So we don't 00:32:15.309 --> 00:32:17.750 dilate the anus. Let me say that right now. I 00:32:17.750 --> 00:32:19.730 don't want people going for an exam thinking 00:32:19.730 --> 00:32:23.789 that there's routine dilation of the anus. Usually 00:32:23.789 --> 00:32:29.089 that is not what's occurring. But I don't want, 00:32:29.170 --> 00:32:31.730 I will never improvise instruments on a patient. 00:32:32.509 --> 00:32:36.349 Okay. All right. That's probably good practice. 00:32:37.230 --> 00:32:39.490 Lewis, on the other hand, he wasn't afraid to 00:32:39.490 --> 00:32:42.009 improvise. Rather than bothering with those pesky 00:32:42.009 --> 00:32:44.730 brackets, he would use a flathead screwdriver 00:32:44.730 --> 00:32:47.569 turned to the wider part and just kind of prop 00:32:47.569 --> 00:32:50.609 open, keep the shields propped open. That way 00:32:50.609 --> 00:32:54.470 they weren't touching. Now, the reason why Richard 00:32:54.470 --> 00:32:57.710 Feynman called bringing these shields so precariously 00:32:57.710 --> 00:33:00.490 close together. tickling the tail of a sleeping 00:33:00.490 --> 00:33:02.809 dragon is because with this demonstration, you 00:33:02.809 --> 00:33:04.710 come very close to a point where you can start 00:33:04.710 --> 00:33:07.869 a chain reaction and super criticality, which 00:33:07.869 --> 00:33:11.230 we've already seen is deadly. And I can imagine 00:33:11.230 --> 00:33:13.210 like, like as this scientist is doing this very 00:33:13.210 --> 00:33:16.009 scary practice with the screwdriver and his coworkers 00:33:16.009 --> 00:33:18.750 going, Oh, well there goes Louie again, tickling 00:33:18.750 --> 00:33:21.250 the old dragon's tail. So like they would joke 00:33:21.250 --> 00:33:24.009 about, they would say, they would just say he's 00:33:24.009 --> 00:33:26.670 tickling the dragon's tail. You know, I just, 00:33:26.710 --> 00:33:29.019 I kind of, I kind of want to, hear like one of 00:33:29.019 --> 00:33:30.640 them yell from the other room like hey louis 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:33.160 how about you and that dragon get a room but 00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:37.460 yeah yeah i mean it sounds dirty it sounds dirty 00:33:37.460 --> 00:33:40.019 it does it really does i mean anything with the 00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:41.880 word tickling and it's really hard to find the 00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:46.079 word tickling not uh yeah you know it's it's 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:48.460 hard to make it work in a respectful manner yeah 00:33:48.460 --> 00:33:52.119 yeah Like even the phrase tickles my fancy just 00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:54.640 sounds like what's your fancy? You know, it sounds 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:56.480 like a physical part of you. It's just gross. 00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:03.420 But on May 21st, 1946, a date that I'm addressing 00:34:03.420 --> 00:34:05.779 very specifically. So, you know, this was just 00:34:05.779 --> 00:34:09.659 an average day like any other. Lewis was instructing 00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:12.039 a colleague who was slaughtered to replace him. 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:16.940 This colleague's name was Alvin C. Graves. To 00:34:16.940 --> 00:34:19.019 the listeners, I don't want anybody here speculating 00:34:19.019 --> 00:34:21.679 on whether or not his last name foreshadows anything, 00:34:21.900 --> 00:34:25.360 because dark and inappropriate humor is not something 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.019 we allow in this show. We don't condone it, and 00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:30.780 we definitely don't constantly do it. Anyway, 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:36.239 on this day, a grave mistake was made. I see 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.599 what you did there. Lewis was showing Graves, 00:34:39.619 --> 00:34:42.679 or Gravy as he liked to be called. He was showing 00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:46.340 him the ropes. and along with six other colleagues 00:34:46.340 --> 00:34:49.239 at the time. And they came to the room containing 00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.460 the Demon Corps. Now, I don't know for certain 00:34:52.460 --> 00:34:54.920 if Lewis divulged to them the nickname of the 00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:58.679 Corps, or if his colleagues and the people he 00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.199 was teaching already knew about its history, 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:05.079 or that it has killed before and probably wants 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.940 to again. Do you think a radioactive Corps could 00:35:07.940 --> 00:35:11.190 have bloodlust? Like, it's killed before, and 00:35:11.190 --> 00:35:13.550 now it's gotten the taste of mail, and it wants 00:35:13.550 --> 00:35:17.449 more. Yeah, it wants to consume. Like, I don't 00:35:17.449 --> 00:35:19.110 know enough about nuclear weapons to know for 00:35:19.110 --> 00:35:22.090 sure, but I think their efficacy calls for further 00:35:22.090 --> 00:35:24.630 research into their nefarious nature. That's 00:35:24.630 --> 00:35:28.909 what I think. Yeah, that checks out. So, of course, 00:35:29.010 --> 00:35:31.369 Graves, like anybody else in his position, was 00:35:31.369 --> 00:35:33.829 more than willing to see Lewis perform a demonstration 00:35:33.829 --> 00:35:36.690 of the Corps' activity, because Lewis is a highly 00:35:36.690 --> 00:35:39.090 respected scientist, and probably... One of the 00:35:39.090 --> 00:35:40.929 best people at the time you could have demonstrate 00:35:40.929 --> 00:35:43.769 this kind of thing. So it's a huge learning opportunity. 00:35:44.150 --> 00:35:46.369 So with no need to bother with the brackets, 00:35:46.710 --> 00:35:49.070 Lewis lowers the upper shield over the demon 00:35:49.070 --> 00:35:52.230 core. And he's using his left hand to lower the 00:35:52.230 --> 00:35:55.469 upper shield over the demon core. And he has 00:35:55.469 --> 00:35:58.869 his thumb in the hole at the time. He's got his 00:35:58.869 --> 00:36:01.829 thumb in the thumb hole. And Dr. Hoda, I want 00:36:01.829 --> 00:36:04.949 you to lend a bit of your expertise on this matter. 00:36:05.050 --> 00:36:08.199 Do you think thumb hole is a... A good alternative 00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:12.780 name for an anus? No, because it implies that 00:36:12.780 --> 00:36:14.780 it has to be the thumb where there's so many 00:36:14.780 --> 00:36:18.019 things that can go there. Just not frozen hot 00:36:18.019 --> 00:36:21.500 dogs. Not frozen hot dogs. Things preferably 00:36:21.500 --> 00:36:24.280 with a flare. Probably not. Please don't lose. 00:36:24.579 --> 00:36:26.659 Since you brought it up, I'm going to take this 00:36:26.659 --> 00:36:30.019 opportunity to educate your listeners. Please 00:36:30.019 --> 00:36:33.940 don't put anything into your anus that does not 00:36:33.940 --> 00:36:36.800 have a flared base. that is not well attached, 00:36:37.059 --> 00:36:40.820 that is not secure, because you will underestimate 00:36:40.820 --> 00:36:44.639 the vacuum power of your anus, and it will get 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.440 drawn upward into your colon, at which point 00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:50.300 it can be a life -threatening problem for which 00:36:50.300 --> 00:36:52.300 I will be called in the middle of the night to 00:36:52.300 --> 00:36:55.119 remove, and I will not be happy about that. Please 00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:58.539 don't do that, especially because I may not be 00:36:58.539 --> 00:37:02.500 there to get it out of you, okay? He can't be 00:37:02.500 --> 00:37:04.719 everywhere at once, and a lot like Spider -Man. 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:10.000 Everyone only gets one. Yeah. No, that's actually 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.500 good advice because I have heard about people 00:37:12.500 --> 00:37:16.940 getting something that has gone up and they can't 00:37:16.940 --> 00:37:20.159 get it back out. That's correct. Ugh, it's frightening. 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:26.539 So, with his left thumb squarely in the shield's 00:37:26.539 --> 00:37:30.559 anus, Lewis lowers the top shield over the core. 00:37:31.139 --> 00:37:34.059 The readers begin indicating increased activity. 00:37:34.940 --> 00:37:38.360 And in Lewis's right hand, he's got the flathead 00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:40.800 screwdriver, which he's using to keep the shield 00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:44.179 spaced apart. Suddenly, the screwdriver slips 00:37:44.179 --> 00:37:50.440 and the shield essentially closes. Now, before 00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.480 I move on, I do want to mention and address the 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:57.639 fact that in some reports, he gets a lot of flack 00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.280 for this practice with the, you know, this practice 00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:03.000 with the screwdriver and everything. But there 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:04.940 are more experienced people who are suggesting 00:38:04.940 --> 00:38:07.420 that this was actually fairly common practice. 00:38:07.900 --> 00:38:10.400 I'm not sure which is completely true, but either 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:14.880 way, common or not, some regulation was probably 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:19.099 appropriate to advise against doing this. Like, 00:38:19.099 --> 00:38:21.760 especially if it is common, because that means 00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:25.239 more people are taking the risk, you know? But 00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:27.800 this is, I mean, this is a huge deadly risk that 00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.610 we're talking about. But that being said, some 00:38:30.610 --> 00:38:32.630 argue that Lewis wasn't just being reckless, 00:38:32.730 --> 00:38:34.929 like some people say, you know, in regard to 00:38:34.929 --> 00:38:38.130 what was typical practice. And we do have to 00:38:38.130 --> 00:38:41.409 consider that previously only one person had 00:38:41.409 --> 00:38:44.250 ever died of a critical accident. So maybe this 00:38:44.250 --> 00:38:47.170 was something they did all the time and, you 00:38:47.170 --> 00:38:49.869 know, it's only killed one person, you know, 00:38:49.869 --> 00:38:52.789 like that might have been the mentality of it 00:38:52.789 --> 00:38:55.030 all. But according to reports by those in the 00:38:55.030 --> 00:38:57.929 room. They say that there was a bright blue light 00:38:57.929 --> 00:39:01.329 that came out of the core. And there was a feeling 00:39:01.329 --> 00:39:04.030 of heat, even by the people who were standing 00:39:04.030 --> 00:39:06.210 furthest from it. And there were six of them 00:39:06.210 --> 00:39:08.769 in this fairly large room. And some were pretty 00:39:08.769 --> 00:39:11.349 far away from it. And even they reported feeling 00:39:11.349 --> 00:39:14.230 the heat. The blue light presumably was the ionization 00:39:14.230 --> 00:39:16.750 of the air in the room. The core had reached 00:39:16.750 --> 00:39:20.610 super criticality. Lewis knocks the top shield 00:39:20.610 --> 00:39:23.349 off of the core and slumps his body over it. 00:39:23.449 --> 00:39:26.590 There were conflicting ways that people have 00:39:26.590 --> 00:39:30.329 written about this. Some say that he did it to, 00:39:30.329 --> 00:39:33.369 you know, save everyone else. Others say that 00:39:33.369 --> 00:39:37.010 he just collapsed, you know. He did the World 00:39:37.010 --> 00:39:40.760 War II jump on the... Live grenade thing to protect 00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:44.760 his band of brothers. He did the master class 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:47.780 of doing that. Yeah, wow. He jumped on a nuclear 00:39:47.780 --> 00:39:53.860 bomb to save others. He had already received 00:39:53.860 --> 00:39:56.900 a lethal dose of radiation at that point. And 00:39:56.900 --> 00:40:00.380 supposedly he had said that he was already aware 00:40:00.380 --> 00:40:03.469 that he... definitely received a lethal dose 00:40:03.469 --> 00:40:06.389 of radiation. His body blocking the core actually 00:40:06.389 --> 00:40:08.809 likely did save some of the lives in that room. 00:40:09.070 --> 00:40:11.369 Now, as for what happened next, I'm actually 00:40:11.369 --> 00:40:13.110 going to read a quote from a biologist named 00:40:13.110 --> 00:40:15.590 Thomas D. Block, who did a lot of work studying 00:40:15.590 --> 00:40:19.170 accidents at the Los Alamos Laboratory. Quote, 00:40:19.230 --> 00:40:22.090 In addition to the blue glow and heat, Lewis 00:40:22.090 --> 00:40:25.150 Slotin experienced a sour taste in his mouth, 00:40:25.269 --> 00:40:28.050 an intense burning sensation in his left hand. 00:40:28.409 --> 00:40:30.769 As soon as Slutton left the building, he vomited, 00:40:30.789 --> 00:40:33.750 a common reaction to intense radiation. Lewis 00:40:33.750 --> 00:40:38.449 would die nine days later. Wow. Yeah. But this 00:40:38.449 --> 00:40:40.650 next part, I find this next part kind of incredible. 00:40:40.909 --> 00:40:44.570 So as I said before, Lewis's family followed 00:40:44.570 --> 00:40:46.889 certain traditions, and this would generally 00:40:46.889 --> 00:40:49.489 affect how deceased family members were handled. 00:40:50.309 --> 00:40:52.869 And I'm going to quote from a letter written 00:40:52.869 --> 00:40:57.190 by one Philip Morris. So... Quote, on the morning 00:40:57.190 --> 00:41:00.409 after Lewis died, Hedgerman and I explained to 00:41:00.409 --> 00:41:05.730 Mr. Slotin, referring to Lewis's father, about 00:41:05.730 --> 00:41:09.130 the need for an autopsy. He told us that it was 00:41:09.130 --> 00:41:11.250 against the traditions of the family and that 00:41:11.250 --> 00:41:13.969 he would be criticized for it when he returned 00:41:13.969 --> 00:41:17.170 to Winnipeg. But he gave permission for it now. 00:41:17.530 --> 00:41:19.809 He said that Lewis had been a scientist all his 00:41:19.809 --> 00:41:24.110 life and that when it could do him no harm, it 00:41:24.110 --> 00:41:27.090 would be wrong to prevent him from adding to 00:41:27.090 --> 00:41:31.469 knowledge. I think that's incredible. So what 00:41:31.469 --> 00:41:35.170 happened? Did the family agree to it? They only 00:41:35.170 --> 00:41:36.690 had to ask the father because the rest of the 00:41:36.690 --> 00:41:40.230 family was back in Canada. And the father came 00:41:40.230 --> 00:41:45.869 down to the lab in Los Alamos to basically talk 00:41:45.869 --> 00:41:50.630 to... the scientists who were there when um when 00:41:50.630 --> 00:41:53.989 lewis passed and he gave permission for them 00:41:53.989 --> 00:41:56.949 to do the autopsy because of his son's dedication 00:41:56.949 --> 00:42:00.730 to science yeah yeah which is i mean it's i think 00:42:00.730 --> 00:42:02.730 that's kind of awesome i mean that's kind of 00:42:02.730 --> 00:42:04.809 that's kind of incredible like i mean i think 00:42:04.809 --> 00:42:06.869 it's definitely what he would want Yeah, absolutely. 00:42:07.030 --> 00:42:08.789 And that's that's the way it sounds like from 00:42:08.789 --> 00:42:11.190 this quote from his father. So, like, you know, 00:42:11.210 --> 00:42:14.250 I think it and it says a lot about Lewis's dedication 00:42:14.250 --> 00:42:17.710 to science for his father to forego family tradition 00:42:17.710 --> 00:42:21.239 and support of his son's legacy. And like as 00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:25.199 a secular person myself, I have nothing against 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:29.460 having an autopsy done. But one thing I do find 00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:31.300 interesting is that our dental history is unique 00:42:31.300 --> 00:42:34.719 enough to each of us that odontology can generally 00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.480 identify bodies through dental records. But what 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:40.400 do you do when, say, the teeth are too obliterated 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:42.980 or even missing or say the head's missing? Like, 00:42:42.980 --> 00:42:45.159 you know, a killer took it and, you know, the 00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:47.099 arms might be gone, too. So no fingerprints. 00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:51.199 this is where your expertise might come once 00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:54.440 again, handy. Have you ever considered inking 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:58.340 buttholes and taking butthole prints? Like forensic 00:42:58.340 --> 00:43:00.880 proctology. Yeah. Like a lot of consideration. 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:04.019 Yeah. Like, I mean, what if, what if like we 00:43:04.019 --> 00:43:07.420 had on file, you know, like every, every butthole 00:43:07.420 --> 00:43:10.960 is unique. No, it's true. I, I've been pitching 00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:14.900 this idea of CSI forensic proctology for a while 00:43:14.900 --> 00:43:18.389 now. NBC hasn't. been that interested but i'm 00:43:18.389 --> 00:43:20.590 gonna keep at it because i think there's something 00:43:20.590 --> 00:43:23.150 to it solving primes through the dead anus i 00:43:23.150 --> 00:43:25.650 think is the way to go yeah they're gonna be 00:43:25.650 --> 00:43:29.469 the next thing just bringing together you know 00:43:29.469 --> 00:43:34.650 ray's anatomy a little bit of csi and a lot of 00:43:34.650 --> 00:43:39.829 fecophilia and uh i think together you got magic 00:43:39.829 --> 00:43:43.510 i think so too yeah and i think Keep pitching 00:43:43.510 --> 00:43:45.849 it, because I think they just don't realize that 00:43:45.849 --> 00:43:48.329 the world is ready for this now. That's right. 00:43:48.409 --> 00:43:50.829 We're ready for it. It's time. It's time for 00:43:50.829 --> 00:43:54.250 this show. Now I'm thinking about, you know that 00:43:54.250 --> 00:43:56.070 scene in Men in Black when they burn off Will 00:43:56.070 --> 00:43:59.269 Smith's fingertips, like his fingerprints? I 00:43:59.269 --> 00:44:02.269 don't remember that. There's a quick little part 00:44:02.269 --> 00:44:04.750 where he's getting inducted into the Men in Black, 00:44:04.929 --> 00:44:07.309 and he has to hold this little sphere thing, 00:44:07.389 --> 00:44:09.860 and it burns his fingerprints off. You know, 00:44:09.860 --> 00:44:12.619 so he's untraceable. That scene is about to become 00:44:12.619 --> 00:44:17.420 a lot more unpleasant. Yeah. I picture him squatting 00:44:17.420 --> 00:44:19.920 onto some kind of rod with something to burn 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:23.039 his butthole wrinkles off. Stop picturing that. 00:44:23.099 --> 00:44:26.860 Stop picturing that. You don't have to picture 00:44:26.860 --> 00:44:28.539 that. You're choosing to picture that. You're 00:44:28.539 --> 00:44:30.639 right. I'm going to have nightmares if I keep 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:35.239 thinking about it. So, what do you think about 00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:38.480 the demon core? So that's coming back to this. 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:42.800 So you had me in the beginning thinking this 00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.380 is going to be somehow related directly to Marie 00:44:46.380 --> 00:44:50.280 Curie. And she was just the beginning of this 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:54.719 story that culminated in this picture, which 00:44:54.719 --> 00:45:00.639 is a reenactment of the tickling the dragon. 00:45:02.219 --> 00:45:04.559 and with this okay if it flashes blue it's a 00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:06.699 boy and it flashes pink it's a girl which makes 00:45:06.699 --> 00:45:11.239 sense my question is this who the fuck is this 00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:13.960 meme for like there's three people maybe in the 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:16.000 world that will understand this fucking meme 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:19.760 what the fuck so this is not a meme this is a 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.360 picture between two science nerds who are deeply 00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:26.400 into this maybe writing a paper about this who 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:30.050 else would fucking get this. Yeah. I don't understand. 00:45:30.190 --> 00:45:32.429 That's, that's the one thing I've liked researching 00:45:32.429 --> 00:45:34.250 memes. That's something I've, I've run into, 00:45:34.349 --> 00:45:37.090 uh, you know, at least, at least a few times 00:45:37.090 --> 00:45:41.010 where the, these memes, it's almost like if you 00:45:41.010 --> 00:45:43.469 get it, you're in the club, you know? And so 00:45:43.469 --> 00:45:47.050 they're intentionally vague, uh, to make, and 00:45:47.050 --> 00:45:51.429 it, like, ironically, it, or counterintuitively, 00:45:51.489 --> 00:45:54.530 I should say. It makes the meme more popular, 00:45:54.650 --> 00:45:57.289 more viral, because the people who share it can 00:45:57.289 --> 00:46:00.730 be like, yeah, I'm a person who gets this. And 00:46:00.730 --> 00:46:04.190 so it kind of garners more attention than something 00:46:04.190 --> 00:46:06.110 that you're scrolling by and you're like, oh, 00:46:06.190 --> 00:46:07.809 this fucking meme again. Okay, and then you just 00:46:07.809 --> 00:46:10.530 keep scrolling. Whereas if you're scrolling, 00:46:10.630 --> 00:46:12.210 you're like, ha -ha, that's a thing I just learned 00:46:12.210 --> 00:46:14.909 about. Or that's a thing I know about, but I 00:46:14.909 --> 00:46:16.570 bet nobody else does. Then you're more likely 00:46:16.570 --> 00:46:19.510 to be engaged in it. I think that's my running 00:46:19.510 --> 00:46:22.670 hypothesis on... Why memes like this get shared 00:46:22.670 --> 00:46:26.469 so much? Because I had no clue what it was when 00:46:26.469 --> 00:46:29.789 I first saw it. I had to research it and Google 00:46:29.789 --> 00:46:32.670 image search to figure out what it was. Well, 00:46:32.710 --> 00:46:34.190 it would be fucking weird if you knew. Let's 00:46:34.190 --> 00:46:37.630 be honest. Yes, it would. And I think it's fucking 00:46:37.630 --> 00:46:40.929 weird that whoever made the meme knew as well. 00:46:42.070 --> 00:46:45.679 Yeah, that's pretty wild. Again, so these are 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:48.380 just people going back to the context of the 00:46:48.380 --> 00:46:53.440 third bomb that we never used. Were these what 00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:56.099 happened to that one? That was like, so that 00:46:56.099 --> 00:46:58.400 was just like stored away. Or were they using 00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:01.219 it for these sorts of like experiments? So it 00:47:01.219 --> 00:47:04.079 was used for experiments for quite a while after 00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:08.829 Lewis died. The parts of the bomb or the material 00:47:08.829 --> 00:47:12.250 of the bomb got redistributed and used for other 00:47:12.250 --> 00:47:14.469 things. I'm not sure how you break down one of 00:47:14.469 --> 00:47:19.230 those. But apparently the material got put to 00:47:19.230 --> 00:47:21.610 use in some other way. But at the time, they 00:47:21.610 --> 00:47:24.150 were just holding on to it for experimentation 00:47:24.150 --> 00:47:29.030 and to teach new physicists about plutonium cores 00:47:29.030 --> 00:47:31.030 and things like that. Because they went through 00:47:31.030 --> 00:47:34.050 the trouble of making the thing. And so I assume... 00:47:34.349 --> 00:47:36.230 Well, if we have it, we're going to use it as 00:47:36.230 --> 00:47:41.989 a scientific asset. And I don't know what exactly 00:47:41.989 --> 00:47:45.090 that specific core went into making afterward, 00:47:45.289 --> 00:47:49.469 but apparently it was broken down and the piece 00:47:49.469 --> 00:47:52.150 is used for other purposes. All right. Well, 00:47:52.250 --> 00:47:55.190 that's a very interesting story, my friend. Now 00:47:55.190 --> 00:47:57.369 I have learned something. I have learned something 00:47:57.369 --> 00:48:01.150 here. Well, I really appreciate you being on 00:48:01.150 --> 00:48:04.710 the show. I had a really good time. Thank you. 00:48:04.730 --> 00:48:08.469 You too. Yeah. Maybe in the future, you'll be 00:48:08.469 --> 00:48:11.789 on again. That'd be awesome. But yeah, I should 00:48:11.789 --> 00:48:14.849 have the episode out by Sunday, and I'll let 00:48:14.849 --> 00:48:17.809 you know. Are we done? Okay. Are we still recording? 00:48:17.909 --> 00:48:19.750 I can't even tell. We're still recording. That's 00:48:19.750 --> 00:48:22.269 just the end of the story. I've got no more script 00:48:22.269 --> 00:48:39.349 left. So, I mean, you can... And I learned at 00:48:39.349 --> 00:48:54.539 least... two or three facts that I will drop 00:48:54.539 --> 00:48:56.519 at some point in the future in a conversation 00:48:56.519 --> 00:49:00.199 to make it look like I know a lot more about 00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:05.000 the nuclear bombs and the science behind them 00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:08.039 than I actually do. That's great. That's a good 00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:10.619 way to implement what we did today. Yeah. Thank 00:49:10.619 --> 00:49:12.079 you so much. Yeah. Thank you.