We're on the brink of World War III. You're going to see national leadership exposed in many different ways.
You'll see congressmen. And God said in February, instead of having some sort of national calamity,
we could have some sort of national revival.
Pastor Brian Gibson, it's great to have you back here with us on Charisma.
Last year, you gave us a prophetic word of what God was saying to you for the year 2024.
And now we're about to go into 2025. So we're going to look back at 2024 and look ahead at 2025.
And so it's great to have you back with us.
Hey, what an honor. Always great to be with you. And good to get the band back together here.
Let's go.
Amen. Amen.
Well, let's first, before we look at what God is saying for the future,
let's see what God had said to you about this last year.
You know, we've come basically a full calendar year.
And just to kind of sum up some of the things, and I'll put a link to this article
that is in Charisma News. So if you want to read these things here, you can just click the link in there
to read that here. But Pastor Brian, you said that it's going to be about how hungry the church is
and how hungry is the camp of darkness, which will set up the stage for what's going to happen in 2024.
You talked about this hunger that's going to be a big driving force for what's going to happen.
And you talked a lot about the young people are susceptible to darkness of witchcraft.
And we've seen that a lot through like Taylor Swift, Kendall Jenner, Ariana Grande, and even
like toys that have come out this last year, the Mothman, Build-A-Bear, Disney shows.
And the young ones, the young are the ones that have felt the pressure to vote for politicians
like Kamala Harris, that believe that abortion is completely necessary. But you said that revival
that was prophesied was going to continue to break out and especially in little pockets. And so
what we've seen is that there was a lot of college campuses throughout this last year
that revival started breaking out all these different places. And it did.
And it didn't just stay there, but it's kind of like popping up in different places. What's
there some of the thoughts that you have about this as we're kind of looking back at just this
word about revival? Yeah, kind of the word I had was hunger games. Right? Who's the most hungry?
Who wants it? That's a lot of life anyway. Who wants it the worst? Does the dark, evil, wicked
camp want it the worst or do the people of light, do they want to win and see Christ prevail?
And so I think there was a fire that was lit in the church in 24. I'm thankful for it.
I believe we caught a wave of intercession because we wanted to stand against the darkness.
I mean, you could see the darkness rising and you could see darkness overplaying its hand.
And a lot of people were woke up about a lot of things. They didn't go woke, but they woke up.
Right? And they're like, what is happening to our nation? What's happening with our young people?
What's happening with our moral fiber? And that lit a match to cause the saints to begin to pray.
And I don't think it was just a match. I think it became a torch. And then there was great concern
in 24 for all of us about the election. I mean, anybody that had a spiritual bone in their body,
they were praying, they were fasting, they were seeking the will of God.
And I went through a large portion of time in 24 where I couldn't even sleep through a whole night,
not out of fear. It was just like God was waking me up to pray. And I would get up and I'd pray an
hour. I'd sleep an hour. And that went on. And it wasn't just me. I get that report from everybody.
And I really believe the saints got hungry and we prayed that through, you know, the effect of
prayer of a righteous man. It fails much. We shut heavens, we open heavens, we're the Elijah's
that do these kinds of things. And so I want to commend all the saints that prayed.
I really think their prayer focus extended grace. It didn't save our nation. So I don't want people
to be deceived. Our nation is not saved because Donald Trump's coming to office. So Trump will
not make you a very good savior. And listen, I'm a Trump guy, but he's not my savior. And I do,
I don't want to use the word fear, but I'm concerned that people think because we won a
presidential election, our nation is like, oh, it's all good now. Well, I think we have to keep the
torch of intercession and prayer and really going after doing something for our people and our
nation at the high. I think that's the church's highest call right now, right? Salt and light,
preservation of morality and bombarding heaven to get the word of the Lord going. Now on the revival
pockets that popped out, colleges, I was talking to you about pockets of revival. I'd been prophesying
college revivals and even like timelines when they would step up and on a couple of different
national shows and those things happened. And I'm so thankful because you can't touch a nation
without grabbing 20 year old kids, 18 year old kids, 19 year old kids. You look back to every
historic revival, that's kind of the group of people that it starts with. So seeing that stuff
happen at A&M, seeing it happen, I can't even remember where all it happened now, like different
Texas, campus, Georgia. I think Auburn had a touch. I'm trying to remember. I mean, it was all over
the place. And even some Ivy league schools have some larger prayer gatherings. They didn't get the
press. They try to keep those a little quieter because of the forces that be there. But I mean,
stuff's happening and it makes me hopeful and encouraged and come on, if we can win some college
campuses, we can take our nation back. Amen. Amen. I believe that. Well, another thing that you said
that was really startling back in that word from last year was that you said, I see in 2024, a lot
of lampstands being extinguished. Their lampstands had been focused on the wrong things and they've
been shining on the wrong things. And the attention is me. And I think one by one, a lot of those
things are just getting moved out of the way. I think everybody's so focused on this kind of world
that we lost a morality. We lost the power of God and we lost our fear of the Lord. We lost a lot of
those things that really mattered. That is a very stark warning. But in this last year, we've seen
a lot of lampstands get extinguished and a lot of pastors get exposed. And for things that they had
done that they hadn't repented of and dealt with in the past or whatever, there's too many stories
to talk about at this point, actually. And it's a, but what's your thoughts about that part of it?
Yeah, it's one of those things that you hate, right? And it breaks your heart for the body of
Christ and the church folk and even the leaders that make the mistake. I've got grace for messed
up people. So I like to restore such a one in a spirit of meekness, but I do know God's the God
of all grace and he'll give you so long to get your stuff ironed out, right? And I'm thankful for that
grace. But at some point, the grace of God turns from you getting it fixed privately and the grace
of God will then manifest in a way where you have to get it fixed publicly. And it might destroy
your ministry or your church, but it might just save your soul too. So even exposure can be the
grace of God. And we, you know, lampstands, but lampstands will suffer in the midst of that.
And the lampstands is a picture of the church. So my heart's broken to see what's happened.
It's one of those things that I never want to see a lampstand go out, but the lampstand becomes
ineffective and it's no longer pushing light. And it's just an empty, you know, it's an empty lamp
without a fire on the inside of it. The lampstand does us no good. And so God's the God that'll
reorder things, restart things and remove some leaders. And we've seen it in 24 in a real
drastic, I mean, stuff we didn't think would, we would see come the way it came, right? Especially,
especially there are certain States. I mean, Texas has been affected big time. And I think
when I see Texas affected big time, in a way, Texas is like the heart of America, middle America,
everything's bigger in Texas. You go around the world and people want to know where you're from,
the places they'll think about, they'll think about New York and they'll think about Cowboys
in Texas. If you're in other countries, right? It's the way it is. Where are you from? From New
York or you're from Texas? I think it's a symbol that God's reordering his heart. When you touch
the Lone Star State, the heart of America, I think it's God wants his heart healed in his church.
So they're out of the, we guard your heart with all diligence, out of it flows the issues of life.
So there's been real heart surgery and I feel like the hand of God came and he's touched the
church in 24. There's been some cuts that hurt, some exposure that's beginning to flow out of
that. But I think healing starts in those places in 25. A lot of those areas that have been touched,
God's already tapping on the shoulder of new apostolic leaders that'll come and fill roles.
I see guys stepping up big time over the next 24 months. You'll have some voices come out of the
cities that were really affected that will take, next 24 months, they'll take real national,
growing spiritual leadership roles. Let me say it like that. Real national prominent,
growing spiritual leadership roles. And God will take care of his church. And the church
isn't built on any of us. So I am thankful for the call of God, but I can be replaced. And so
let one be removed and another take his place and may the kingdom of God go upward and
onward. And the guys that messed up, I pray nothing but the best form, grace of God.
And I'm for them too. So I think we just got to pray and we got to believe God and look for new
emerging leadership in new emerging churches, new lampstands. God loves his church.
Here's what I think will happen. So judgment begins in the house of God. And I'm not saying
that like this is a final judgment, but this is a part of judgment, right? God gives you so long
the grace of God, but even God's grace is in his judgment. I believe that. I think it'll go,
it begins in the house of the Lord and God has to start things there because the church is preeminent
over everything, right? It is what he's building on the earth. But there'll be a trickle down the
start now in 25 and governance and governmental judgment and the setting down and the rising up
of new leaders. It's already started all over the world and it's coming to America in 25 and into
26. You're going to see national leadership exposed in many different ways. You'll see
in many different ways. You'll see congressmen exposed in many different ways. You'll even see
local judges, DAs, people that have been in bed with foreign entities and policy makers.
I see people in bed. I see this prophetically and I see like it's like they're in bed and honestly
they're naked in bed. They're covered in covers and the hand of God comes, grabs the covers,
and I see foreign flags on top of the covers, right? I see China. I see these covers and God's
going to come. He's going to grab those covers and he's going to expose what's happening.
So what you saw in the church in 24, you're going to see big time in 25 and then going into 26
as well in a governmental level. And it's not going to fix everything, but there's going to be some
real key aha moments. So prepare yourself. We're going into some interesting waters in 25 in that
area. Yeah, for sure. So we talked about revival. We talked about these lampstands and you kind of
transitioned into what God's saying about that for 2025 and even beyond. But what do you feel God's
saying about revival, about the church? What are some other things that you feel like God's saying
for 2025? Yeah, I think like I said earlier, the prayers and the intercession and going after God
is so big right now. We're on the brink of World War III. So I'll sag into revival from here.
This is not going to be an encouraging part where I start here, but we're on the brink of World War III.
Some people would say we're already in a hot war or a war that's unseen right now, that World War
III has already begun. I'm praying every day against World War III. I'm praying against nuclear war.
I'm praying for peace. I'm praying against the war hawks and the industrial military complex
that wants to trade blood for money. And so I spend a lot of time praying against that and
interceding. And I saw this in September of this year, prophesied it in a conference I was at in
Louisville, Kentucky, but I saw an exchange of missiles between the US and Russia. And then
I couldn't tell what kind of exchange it was. I didn't think it was nuclear. I didn't know what
it was. But I saw an exchange of missiles between the US and Russia in some shape, form, or fashion.
And then I saw provocations keep escalating until February of 25. And then I saw something in
February of 25 that I can't even describe what it was, but it was massive. And it was of the scale
of things that had never happened on US soil before. I'll say it like that. It was nationally
shaking. And God spoke to me and said this. He said, we could have a disaster, a calamity in February
of 25, but if my people are called by my name, we'll humble themselves and pray, right? Repent,
turn to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, seek his face. He would come and heal our land.
And God said in February, instead of having some sort of national calamity, we could have
some sort of national revival. We could take it and pray it and change the narrative and turn
it the other way. So I've been praying wholeheartedly against something catastrophic coming in the first
of the year, specifically February is the month I keep getting. I have other prophetic friends that
have been saying first quarter, right? We've been talking and I think me and Joseph Z, Prophet Z,
were talking the other day. And he has something like that at first quarter. And I'm like, you know,
I saw February. So we're spending a lot of time praying and believing God to turn these situations
and to do something here. So I do think that we have a great chance for a larger national revival.
And in the midst of what's happened in those college campuses, God told me He's also tapping
on the shoulders of young men and women right now to fill a lot of these voids that have come
in leadership in America. That revival is about making another generation of leaders. You know,
that's what happened with the Jesus Freak days out in California. They've been the pastors of
the church for the last, what is it, 40 years, 50 years, something like that all over America.
Well, they're aging out now. And my age group, I'm middle 40s. You know, there's got to be a group
that replaces us. And I think in the midst of this madness, this revival has come to grab a hold of
leaders, touch young people, set their hearts afire with God, and to get them in the game in America.
And I think they're the guys that could usher in the greatest reformation, greatest revival we've
ever had. And what we have to do to steward in our age group and older right now, guys that have the
reins right now, we have to pray and be level-headed, seek God. We need to fight once again for
national leadership positions, governance and governmental positions, and get back in the game
so these people can't take us to a nuclear Holocaust. Right? There's a lot to be won and a
lot to be lost now. And we better stay sober and serious, and it's time to pray.
Yeah. You know, you mentioned about the generational transitions, okay? And so we had the
Jesus People movements of the 70s. And now it's kind of like, here's another generation that's
about to break out, and these next generation of leaders will rise up. And as you were talking
about that, I was just, in my mind, picturing the succession of kings in the Old Testament,
and how from one king to another, the kingdom could be drastically different. And that transition
period, you could either have like, you know, a good king, and then a bad king, or you can have
a bad king and then a good king, or you can have a series of bad kings. But, you know, that
transition period is vital. And so we're in that right now, I believe. And that's something that
we need to be looking out for. And I know that God's going to raise up the right people, because
because it's obviously a different parallel than the Old Testament kings. But that transition
period is what I felt was the thing that we need to really be praying for regarding that.
That's exactly right. And that's a great way to illustrate what's happening. You know, when kings
get sick or kings die in the Old Testament, all hell breaks loose, right? Everybody starts fighting
for power, all sorts of- Or when presidents are lame ducks.
Yeah. You know, it's just, it's the same kind of thing, right? Right now. And so, yeah, everybody's
grabbing to get ahold of theirs right now. And we need to pray because it's a transition time,
is a dangerous time. It's a time of great opportunity, but it's a dangerous time
for kingdoms. And it's when people are carried off into captivity often, or they step up and
another leader emerges. So we need to pray for godly leaders to emerge. I don't want to just
prophesy gloom and doom over 25, but I mean, it is a somber, serious moment in world history.
You're talking about, we hadn't had a moment like this since you get back in the 30s,
going up to World War II at this level. And I think it is a time, our January fast,
churches all over America fast in January, probably the most significant fast we've had
corporately for our nation in many, many years. And I really believe, I believe everything isn't
set in stone. I believe we can cooperate with the grace of God, speed up or slow down prophetic
timelines, but I think we can extend grace if we'll go after what God has for us here in the next
few months. Amen. And talking about that extending grace, I mean, you've had kind of like an ongoing
revival at your church over this last year or so, and you've seen some things that are kind of
unexplainable and you were actually critical of before you started experiencing them. Can you tell
us about some of those things? Yeah, well, we revival broke out in October of 23 at our church.
We have churches in Texas and also Kentucky, but specifically in our Amarillo location, we had
crazy stuff happen. Like Spirit of God came in, angels are like touching people. People are like
something's touched me. I don't know what's there. All sorts of healings broke out. Two guys, not one,
you don't hear this a lot, and it sounds almost so fantastic. It's hard to believe, but two guys
dropped dead in our church services. And so, you know, my preaching was so bad, I guess it was
killing people, but the good thing was, is that through the power of prayer, both of those guys
were literally resurrected in front of the crowd, you know? So I've never witnessed anything like
that. And that kicked off a move of the Spirit and people talking about what's going on. People got
excited and the power of God's come in. And we've seen every kind of healing, every kind of miracle.
I'm talking cancers, hearts, eyes, ears, you name it, bones, just the miracles. There's so many
testimonies we're forgetting about the miracles now. So we're trying to do due diligence to make
sure somebody's journaling, you know, the testimonies when they come back in, because you don't want to
lose. You want to celebrate appropriately what God has done. It's just been amazing. But there
have been some odd manifestations too. And we were talking about that before we came on. And I've
seen something that I hadn't seen in 20 years. And I used to be a big critic of this kind of stuff.
So I was even careful when it started happening how much I would talk about it. But 20 years ago,
over 20 years ago, my brother went to a church that I thought they were just weird and bizarre.
And they started talking about like gold dust falling on people and these kinds of things.
And I'm kind of like, well, I don't see that written about in the New Testament back then,
you know? I had a more narrow view of what signs and wonders mean, right? I mean, what's the
wonder? The signs are listed in Matthew chapter 16. The wonders aren't. So the wonders are
innumerable, but it says these signs shall follow them to believe. But then there are wonders.
What's a wonder? A wonder is something that makes you wonder. I don't know what it is. You know,
I don't have an explanation. I'm not going to try to clean it all up for you. And there's something
about Western Christianity that wants an answer for everything. There's a term Paul talked about
the mystery, you know, of the gospel. It would do us some good to understand there's some mystery
in an all loving, all knowing, all seeing God, right? It's like, I don't have God figured out.
I know who Jesus is, I understand the gospel, but I don't have it all figured out. So I go to this,
I go to this meeting to prove this guy wrong. Okay, that this guy's, this is false. There's not
gold falling on people. You're crazy. I go walk it into the meeting. I get a call and my dad calls
me says, Brian, your dog's been hit by a truck and his legs broken vets closed. And we're from a
small town, but he says, I'm going to take him in first thing in the morning, trying to get a hold
of him. So I'm like, Oh man, my dog's been hit. I go in and the prophet I go to criticize his name
was my is Mahesh Shafda and written many books. People know about him all over the world. Mahesh
has been around a long time. So I'll walk in and that gold has fallen when I get in there and I can
see it. And I'm trying to look to see if it's a con, you know, are they pumping this out air vents?
Right. What's that? What's happening here? And all of a sudden Mahesh has a word of knowledge and he
says, there's a guy in the room. Your dog's just been hit by a truck. His legs broken, but God wants
to heal your dog. Why? I don't want to be the dog healing guy. I don't want to answer the call.
My sister in law sells me out. She starts screaming, it's him, it's him, it's him.
So I stand up Mahesh praise and I go out, call my dad and my dog, my dad reports, man, your dog is
totally healed. I don't know what's happened. His leg is no longer broken. It touched my dad and my
dad got born again. So my dad got born again because some prophet manifested a bizarre
manifestation, right? Gave a word of knowledge and God healed a dog. There's going to be so many
people, so many people make fun of me for this story, but I'm telling you, it's, it's, I was there,
it happened. It's, it's the power of God. So I haven't seen those manifestations for about 20
years, but they started showing up at our church again and gold would start just, I don't know,
it's like gold dust, gold, whatever you want to call it. You know, I shouldn't even call it gold
because I haven't like taken in, haven't tested. I'm just telling you, it shows up everywhere.
And I wouldn't even collect it. You know, I haven't collected it, but I've collected some of the stuff
that comes in like that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, people pick it up and carry it out all the
time, this stuff and, and it comes thicker at times. So I wouldn't even talk about it because I know,
you know, the kind of like harassment and what people are going to say. And it's, it's, it is
hard to explain. Yeah. And you don't want your church to become that destination. That's not what
I want. That's I'm a gospel preacher, right? So, so, you know, guys that have like deliverance
ministries, I'm not that guy. I'm a gospel preacher. So do I cast out devils? Yeah. Am I a healing guy?
No, I'm a gospel guy. So when I preach the gospel, people get healed. So for me, gospel is center
and these other manifestations, they happen because when you preach the gospel stuff happens,
right? Signs and wonders, follow them to believe. So it's not like I jumped on the gold train and
made a gold church Instagram, uh, you know, you know, handle profit of gold. I didn't want that.
So I wouldn't hardly talk about it first, but it kept happening and people are seeing it and they're
looking around and people are going around after services, picking it up. And it's a wonder. I mean,
and it'll show up real thick at times. And sometimes it's just a little here and there.
Often it shows up on people's hands and worship. Do I know why it does that? I think it's just God
getting people's attention, right? It makes them wonder and it makes them wonder what's happening.
And there's a lot of critics of this kind of thing out there and, you know, whatever, they have a
right to their opinion. Uh, I don't lose a lot of sleep about what critics think anymore. I live in
a, I'm a, I'm a gospel preacher in America in 24. We don't care what you think about us anymore.
Right. Um, I care about what Jesus thinks. So, so other manifestations happen too, like oil,
we'll just show up and pour out of people's hands and a pretty amazing manifestation of the spirit.
And some people will say, well, what is the purpose? I'll give you an example.
I think it's God showing that he can break into the now anytime he wants to. Right. And then I
think when people get hungry enough for God, the atmosphere gets thinner. Uh, the Celtic Christians
talked about a thin place, right? They would even dedicate places of prayer. They would say it was a
thin place. And the idea was the veil between man and God has gotten thin. When I think about heaven,
I think about a place with streets paved with gold. I think about a crystal sea. I think about
gemstones. I think about all this stuff that's beautiful. I think maybe the veil gets thin
enough, a little bit of heaven blows into the atmosphere. And that's what you're seeing. Uh,
let your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth. I mean, that's what we've been praying.
As it is in heaven. Yeah.
Yeah. So, so that's the best I can explain and do with it. Um, now I'll say this, the oil thing,
I had a buddy and oil started like it would pour out of my, it still pours out of my hands
when I preach and stuff. And, uh, almost always if I'm ministering, there's, there's oil in the palms
of my hands now and, uh, it's hard on suits, but it's, it's a glorious manifestation. Uh, but I had
a buddy, I was telling him, I was getting ready to preach for him. I said, man, I got this, uh,
this oil has been showing up in my meetings. We've been friends forever. And he kind of looked at me
like, uh-huh, yeah, Brian, you know? And, and so I just, I get it. I get why somebody would be like
that. And the next day in service worship is going on. Me and my wife walk in by the guy that kind of
like, it kind of looked at me funny. He's standing in church. And, uh, when we walk in, stand by him,
all of a sudden he starts looking down at his hands and he runs out to the bathroom. This guy's
like a three-piece suit, suited and booted kind of guy. Um, even his family member runs like a
custom clothe. Everything's perfect on this man. So he's looking at his hands. He doesn't know what's
on his hands. He runs to the bathroom, washes his hands, comes back out oil still pouring out of his
hands. I turn around now he's weeping and he looks at me like, what have you done? What have you done?
What have you done to me? And I'm like, you shouldn't made fun of me, man. So here's what he
does with that. Uh, he goes to get his suits tailored like the next week and he walks in and
there's some Muslim guys in the tailor shop. They run the tailor shop in Louisville, Kentucky. And
one of them says, I know you, I know you, I've seen you before. And he's like, well, maybe you saw me
on TV, but he's like, no, no, I know you. He's like, we're Muslim, but our sister is Christian.
And she started going to a church where you're at. And she brought us a video. The Muslim said,
you're the oil guy. Cause they took a video of him. It was on TV over there. You know, you're the,
you're the oil guy. My friend's like, well, I'm not the oil guy, but that happened to me.
And they're like, make it happen. Show us. We want to see it. And he's like, he's like, I can't just,
you know, I can't just manifest oil at any time I want to. And he said, but I'll pray for y'all.
Can I pray? And they said, yeah. And he started praying and the oil started flowing out of his
hands and the Muslim saw it. And by the time he left, there were three Muslims on their knees
receiving Jesus in Louisville, Kentucky. Why do we need signs and wonders? Um, they grabbed the
attention of those that can't be reached any other way. Right. You think about dreams of Jesus in the
Middle East. Why is it like that? Well, you, it takes something drastic to grab the mindset of
somebody was raised in Islam and show them a resurrected Jesus. So God's a God that gives us
signs and wonders and they're supposed to follow us. Uh, stuff like this is supposed to happen.
I just, it's here. I'm on a, I'm that guy now. You know what I mean? I'm just embracing it. I'm
going to roll with it. Whatever God wants to do. He can do it through me. I love it. I love it.
This is a year from a manifestation for signs and wonders. Um, so there's things that we need to be
praying about praying against, but we need to be looking up and looking for those signs and wonders
because people are going to be wondering what's causing this and we need to be able to lead them
to Jesus. So pastor Brian, thank you so much for sharing what God has done in 2024 and what you see
God doing in 2025. Thank you so much. Hey, it was an honor to be with you today.