Joseph Z. It's great to have you here on Charisma and we are live right now. It is 11, 14 a.m.
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we appreciate all that. But Joseph, it's great to have you here. We've talked many different
times over the last year and a half or so since we first met, God's really connected
us and we appreciate that you really are speaking for the Lord in so many ways, in so many areas
and you just have such a humility as you do that as well. This year, you'd said earlier
in the year that it was a do-over year. That's right. And I kind of want to start off with
getting an update on that do-over year word and how you've seen that unfold since it's
November 15th right now. Oh man. Well, John, first of all, thank you for having me. We
love Charisma. I got to tell you what you're doing and the voice you have, you and Steve
and everybody that's just speaking so mightily around the world and amplifying voices. I'm
just really privileged to be a part of what you're doing. So thank you for having me today.
As far as the do-over word goes, I'll just get a running start at it. Back in 2015, I
was in Trump Tower. I was in Trump Tower in 2015. Spirit of the Lord spoke to me and
said, because I was asking him, who's going to win this? Is this the president that we're
going to have? And he said, I've not graced you to know that. And I said, okay, wow. Well,
thank you, Lord. And why am I here? But I began to ask him. He said, I told other people,
you'll know who and you'll see what's going on. And I said, okay. And I said, so what's
going to happen with America? And the Lord said, America will have one more round. It's
not going down because the young lions are coming. And I thought, wow, that's amazing.
So we know what happened in 16. In 2020, I woke up early in the morning. The Lord showed
me in two different visions that Trump would lose the 2020 election by a technology. Showing
me through a technology he was going to lose. On the heels of that, I asked the Lord, you
know, well, what's going to happen in 24? What are we going to do? Well, first of all,
the beginning of this year, New Year's Eve, even going up to that, the Lord spoke to me
and said, this is going to be a do over a year, a do over a year. And he spoke to me
also and said, this is in the hands of the church. Whatever happens with the election
is in the hands of the church. And again, I'd asked him, is Trump going to win? Who's
going to win this election? And he kept saying to me, he will win if the church shows up.
If the church did not show up, we would forfeit our grace and our mercy for where we were
going and what the Lord is providing for us. And so as I was looking at all this stuff,
I got this word. It's a do over a year. So the do over a year represented both what took
place in 16 and some of the things that took place in 20. In other words, Kamala was a
part of that do over word. He was facing another female candidate just like he did with Hillary
in 2015, 16. And that do over word was there. Then we saw the Chiefs win the Super Bowl.
And we see all these things that just start unfolding and compounding. And the Lord spoke
to me and said, I do do overs until my church wins. In other words, the battle's not over
till we win. People say, how long do I got to go around this mountain? You keep going
around the mountain till you win. You go around the mountain to just keep going around the
mountain. He sets you up for victory. So I knew that the do over word was here, that
the Lord wanted to finish what he started. That involves Israel, Jerusalem. It involves
so many things. There's a part two coming to Israel. So this do over word, I also saw
back in 2020, I saw Kamala's face and I saw Trump's face. Her face got prominent in his
fated. And I knew she was going to be VP at that point. And I thought, oh, no, God, you
said a do over word. Does that mean she's going to take this election? Is that what
it means? Is Jezebel going to win? And the Spirit of the Lord spoke to me and just began
to say, no, you got to stand on this. You got to keep rising. And then that solar eclipse
happened, John. And just to go into this very quickly, you know, the Lord had sent me not
only was I in a meeting and I heard the voice of God say, come up here, come up higher,
Joseph, about a year and a half, two years ago, shortly on the heels of that, he sent
me to the top of Pikes Peak in Colorado Springs. And I stood on the top of Pikes Peak. That
is known as America's Mountain. So come up higher, go to the top of Pikes Peak. And in
my ministry, many times God has me do prophetic acts. Right. Strange. But I do it. And I get
to the top of Pikes Peak. And that is known as America's Mountain. It is the Purple Mountain
Majesty in America, the beautiful, the actual location. From there, I went with Rick Renner
to the seven churches of Revelation all over Turkey. I stood where the apostle John stood
at his home, looking over the Temple of Artemis, where he would have stood in the mountains
in Ephesus. And the Lord said to me, remember I said to you, come up higher, go to the top
of Pikes Peak. Now you are standing where the apostle John stood, John the Revelator.
When I began to have him finish the book of Revelation, first, second, and third John,
I thought, Lord, you are showing me some interesting things. And he began to speak to me about
America and being a watchman and that there was a due overcoming. And finally we ended
up in the mountains of Ararat in eastern Armenia, eastern Turkey, right on the Iran border.
We could see Iran, they could see us and we are standing. And what I truly believe, John,
is Noah's Ark. I think it is Noah's Ark in the Drupiner site over in the mountains of
Ararat. And I am standing there and I am getting a word as I am touring this site, we are filming,
I am filming with Rick Renner at that location. And that is when the Lord spoke to me about
four years of redemptive instability. I was at Noah's Ark and He said, you know how Noah's
Ark floated above the terrifying thing, the storm, the flood, the reset of all humanity.
And the Lord said, so shall it be with the United States. I am lifting you up above the
storm with a redemptive instability, but it is for a good end. Now, I believe that is
the do-over word. What has happened before will happen again, but now we have seen victory,
that it surpasses the victory that our president saw, you know, eight years ago. And here we
are looking at this and I believe eight is the number of new beginnings, eight is the
number where you begin to see something new taking place. And now I have this word about
four years of redemptive instability, that it is going to take a lot of shaking, a lot
of instability to get us to a point of redemption. And once again, this next four years is in
the hands of the Ecclesia and the church. And if we will rise, I believe we are going to
begin to see what Jesus talked about with the fig tree. And that is what I see happening.
All right. So you just said this morning, there is a lot there, there is a lot there.
And I know you said that this morning, God spoke to you about a word from Luke 13 about
the fig tree. So we will talk about that in just a moment. But you just laid out how all
these things, how God brought all this word to you and you have the full word and then
how it all came together as well. So how have you seen these things unfold? Because some
things didn't unfold the way that we thought we did. We thought they would. Because I know
at the beginning of the year when we first talked about this do over word, this do over
year word, it was still Trump versus Biden. And it is interesting how it then changed
to Trump versus a female. It is still a similar, it is still a do over, but it is not the do
over that we originally thought. That is right. As you have seen things flow throughout this
year, what have you learned in this process? I have learned to trust the Lord because the
Lord spoke this to me and if people have watched my program, like they watch you guys, I have
said multiple times, the Spirit Lord said, I am going to surprise them all. I am going
to surprise everybody. And I really, the Lord got apprehended my attention mainly when that
April 8th solar eclipse happened. Ironically, John, on April the 8th is when I flew from
Texas actually to Turkey and we were there for 40 days. So 40 days after that solar eclipse,
within 40 days of that I was standing at Noah's Ark. So from the time of the solar eclipse,
April the 8th, whatever the date landed on, I remember checking and we were at Noah's
Ark 40 days later. And so that is when I realized God was speaking something and He said to me
at the beginning of the year, America will either experience Nineveh or fire and it is
a choice. So this do-over word did not really look like a real do-over when you got Biden
going on and yes, he faced all these things before. But when Kamala took that seat of
authority temporarily of the runner-up, that is when the do-over word got very strong for
me. And the Lord spoke to me and said, if America will humble itself and look to its
former foundation, just even look to the former foundation, there will be a Nineveh experience.
And the Lord spoke to me and said, America will either bow the knee by fire or by Nineveh.
If they repent, they can repair. Or fire is coming and they will bow the knee either
way. And the other thing they had to do is stand with Israel. But when she got in that
place of power and standing with it, I realized that something good was going to take place.
I started to sense it in my spirit. And then in June, I heard the words, the shot heard
around the world. And July 13th, the very morning, eight hours before he took the bullet
to the ear, eight hours beforehand, that morning live, I said, I hear the shot heard around
the world and it's going to create a Paul Revere anointing. And that happened. So the
do-over word, I believe was fulfilled. You know, we know in part, we prophesied part
of that whole thing. But I believe we are headed towards a Nineveh experience here and
it's giving us four more years. That's what I'm seeing.
Yeah. So with these four more years, God spoke to you this morning, you told me, and this
will be actually the first time that you've released this word. So let's hear that.
Okay, John. So I get up and this is how God speaks to me. Sometimes I wake up early in
the morning and it comes subtle. Sometimes I see it written in the air. Sometimes I have
a vision or a dream. And today came like a word of knowledge to me. And I began to look
at, you know, we're in 24. We're going on this four year cycle. Obviously, there's a
presidential scenario we're walking into. So I woke up and the Lord began to remind me
of Luke chapter 13. And then I saw four years. And then I saw the United States of America.
Luke chapter 13 goes like this. Luke 13, it says in verse six, he also spoke this parable.
I'll just read it very quickly. A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard
and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. Found none. Okay, verse seven. Then
he said to the keeper of his vineyard, look, I can just go right here to the board here.
Yeah, a little bit. It says, then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, look for three
years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down. So the word
of the Lord was cut it down. Something needs to happen. Something needs to change. Cut
it down. Why does it even use up the ground? Now, that would be the word that many voices
are saying and many people would be, you know, declaring in some negative prophetic camps
like, oh, it's judgment. It's over with. Cut it down, right? And so we're looking at this.
Cut it down with some of the words we heard from different people. Verse eight. Now it
says, but he answered and said to him, sir, I believe this is the intervention of the
church right here. This is the word I see for America. Sir, let it alone this year also
until I dig around it and fertilize it. Now when the Super Bowl was happening, and I know
this is wild and I use these parallels, but sometimes God speaks to me through pop culture.
There was an extension of a, what do you call that, overtime? They went into overtime for
an extension and they ended up winning in a season of overtime. And I heard the Lord
say I'm taking America from a time of grace to a time of mercy and it's extended. I believe
there was a three year pivotal moment where symbolically with the scripture, people were
looking at it and saying, we're done. You better buckle up. You better batten down the
hatches. It's going to be over with. It's going to be terrible. Now I know there's still
going to be major challenging things that happen, but I saw this and then I saw it go
into this, but there was an intervention here. Sir, let it alone this year also. In other
words, one more chance, God. One more round until I dig around it and fertilize it. Let
me just absolutely pull all the stops out. I know this tree has not been bearing fruit.
I know the way things have been, have been terrible and it's not right, but let's pull
out all the stops and just fertilize the tree. Give it everything we got one more time. And
if then it does not produce, well then we're going to as verse nine says, verse nine says,
and if it bears fruit well, but if not after that, you can cut it down. Now I'll look right
back at you. I believe this, John and everybody watching right now, I believe this, that the
Spirit of the Lord is saying very clearly that there was this season where it was bad,
bad, bad. My daughter, Alice and Joy, my wife and I have our wonderful daughter, Allie,
and she had a very clear vision and we shared it, you know, days leading up to the election.
She saw a building and the building tipped left really hard, really hard, almost to the
point it was going to break. And it was right at the point of destruction when suddenly
there was an intervention and it lunged all the way to the right, but only half as far.
It only had to go half as far to get right sized and turn normal. So left obviously represents
something, right represents something, and then it right sized. And then all the people
in the building said, I can't believe this thing is still standing. And then they ushered
in a battle worn elephant. The elephant was coming and this elephant came into the building
and it was full of dust and it was beaten up and all that. And they were cleaning off
the elephant and getting it ready. And the elephant was receiving a retrofit. So here,
here's what I sensed, John, and what I heard this morning is Luke 13 is talking about this
parable of the fig tree. And the Lord said, so shall it be with America. I was reminded
of the hurricane, the second hurricane that hit Florida. When that first hurricane hit,
I was drawing on the whiteboard the area it was going to hit eight days beforehand. I
drew on the whiteboard, there's something coming in the Carolinas. It's going to strike
right here. I didn't know it was a hurricane. It's going to damage all this. The second
hurricane came. And when it came, the Lord said, pay attention to this. And when it came,
it struck Florida. It was going to be a category five. It went down a little bit. And suddenly
when it hit Florida, I know people that I knew were calling me. We were up all night.
We were interceding against it. And the news said that I got punched out of the hurricane.
The wall collapsed and it did minimal damage. It did damage, but minimal damage. And the
Lord said, and that will be the United States of America if the church shows up. So here's
what I believe is happening. What has happened and what will happen is this. The parable
of this fig tree is where we are now. And I believe we now have four years to really
rise with righteousness. The church do its job. The government do its job. All the sectors
of society do its purpose because national repentance, because the Lord spoke to me that
if the nation repents, it can repair. But nations repenting don't mean sackcloth and
ashes like they once did and cry out to God only, you know, and everybody gets born again
in the nation. They need to go back to the divine purpose by which God made them in the
first place. In other words, America needs to go back to its constitutional foundation.
It needs to go back to why the forefathers founded it. America is a Christian nation
that has been hijacked by a bunch of liberal wicked lizard overlord scumbags and the pervert
mafia trying to run this thing into the ground. But what has happened now is we're seeing
a resurgence and an act of mercy by God Almighty. And he's brought this. So here we are. Luke
13, the parable of the fig tree, I believe represents four years. We have three years
to begin bearing fruit and four years is an act of grace and extension of mercy that I
believe by twenty twenty eight, we're going to see a new America one way or the other.
We're going to be in a new beginning one way or another. And if we rise to meet this occasion
and if the church will stand not only to empower the current administration, not just empower
them, but hold their feet to the fire to make sure that they do promises kept to promises
made, I believe that the church will rise up to do that. We will see this four years
of fertilizer, everything going around the tree. And I believe it will not be cut down.
It will start a new saga. A new beginning will take place and we will go into another
cycle where our children's children will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the
living. And I believe we are staying off the apocalypse for another round if we do this
word. So we can either have fruit that remains or the apocalypse. Those are the two choices
that we have. Goodness. So whenever you think about fruit that remains and the fertilizing
the ground and this fig tree actually producing fruit, what do you think that that would look
like in this country for twenty twenty eight and beyond even? Like just I mean, I'm not
even saying prophetically, just kind of dream. Like what would this be like? You know, I'm
I actually had a dream during twenty twenty of I was it was nighttime and I was flying
around the Statue of Liberty and the Statue of Liberty. There was that was a real flame
that it was holding. It was not just it was not just the whatever they have there now.
They're stained glass or whatever. But it was like a real flame and it was almost like
a sword. Like it was bigger than than what's there. And from the from the hand, from that
flame, it actually turned what we know as a green statue back into its original bronze
and its original original form. And it's something that I've been praying for, praying through
because I'm like, God, what does this mean? Because obviously in twenty twenty, that's
that's when I received this December 8th, twenty twenty. And I'm like, OK, God, this
didn't happen the way that I thought it would. But we're starting to see some of these things.
Like with what you just said, fertilizing the ground and moving forward and that restoration,
that just kind of triggered that that memory of that dream. Where what do you see about,
you know, just play with me a little bit and what do you see going forward if we do repent?
Yeah, I certainly have my own opinions and all these things. But aside from those, I
do believe the Lord is saying it will be a retrofit. And you say, well, what does that
mean? I believe America will be retrofitted if we go forward. So I believe we'll get the
Reagan type of aero back. I believe we're going to see some of that. I think the right
sizing involves an economic miracle. I believe the Lord will do things that will absolutely
astonish everyone. I believe we'll begin to see oil production like we've not seen before.
I even have a word about A.I. So everybody's talking about it's the Terminator coming,
right? It's going to be terrible. I think that's very probable. I think that could be
very dangerous. Yet in that all these doom and gloom things that are coming with it,
I have this sense of hope. The Lord is saying, who do you think really is in charge of the
nations here? Who do you think really is in charge of all this stuff? And the bottom line
is this, that even with A.I. and all of its nefarious potential, I sense very clearly
that if we do our part and we rise up in the middle of this crooked and perverse generation,
I believe even A.I. will serve the church for a season. I believe that there will be
holographic images where people can preach all over the world without leaving their studios
or homes. I believe that we're going to have online conferences like we've never seen before
in a virtual manner that will touch all of society, all of the culture globally. So I
see a lot of things that God's doing in this space. I believe that we will see economic
miracle resurgences. I believe we will put to death this woke idiotic ideology, this
demonic stuff. We're going to put it down. We're going to see a lot of these things that
just begin to rise up. And I believe America will begin to get another round, but it'll
be a retrofit. In other words, a lot of the good that was from the old with a brand new
purpose from the new, the new generation coming. There's going to be technological marvels.
There's going to be things that are very challenging. And yet at the same time, we're going to find
a new way. So it's going to be kind of like old souls with new tech for a better way of
saying it. In other words, people that want to return back to physical mail, people that
want to go right back to writing letters like they once did, because there's a lot of young
people that are saying, I got a letter. Look at this. They open the mail. They're like,
look at this thing. Wow. And they're starting to reject some of this digital stuff and want
something that's corporeal, something they can put their hands on. And they say, my goodness,
this is amazing. And yet there will be this technological merging. So that's what I see.
I see a retrofit. I see the younger generation, generation alpha becoming like old souls,
peer class people that say, you know what, we're a lot like the World War II generation.
We're a lot like people that stood up and we were builders. And I believe that is the
young lions movement. Interesting. That's what I see, John. If we do this four years
right. Yeah, that's what I see. So what are some of the key things that we need to do
to get this four years right? I know the church needs to really be who God has called us to
be. We can't sit back on the sidelines and we got to continue to pray fast and do the
things that God's called us to do. But what are some things that you believe that we should
do as well? What are some action points? Oh, absolutely. Here, let's get very practical.
So on the individual level, like you're watching right now, our audience is watching, you're
watching. I'm talking right to you as an individual who's watching, not everyone. I'm talking
to you, the individual. Here's what you do. You discover who your tribe is. Because when
you find your people, you find your purpose. And when you find your purpose, you find your
place in what I call the 21 gift spectrum of the body of Christ. There are 21 gifts.
There's nine manifestational, seven motivational and five governmental. And when you find your
location in the body of Christ, now you're going to find your place in the tapestry.
And when people find their place in the tapestry of the body of Christ, their purpose ignites
with others because other people need you, you need them. And when that happens, then
it creates a ripple effect through the entire body of Christ. And we're going to begin to
stand as what we're called to be and begin to bring proper order to this culture. And
that applies to both people born again, not born again, all of it in the church, the government
and the marketplace. But if you find your place, if you find your tribe, if you find
your people, you'll find your purpose. And that's a huge piece to this. So practically
speaking, yes, pray fast, call out to God, we need to do that. But the sons of Issachar,
John, it says this in 1 Chronicles chapter 12 verse 32. It says the sons of Issachar,
they knew the signs of the times, they knew what to do about it. But there's a third little
known piece that people rarely talk about. And that is that their kings and their brethren
were with them, or rather their leaders, their military folks were with them. There's 200
of them. And it says that their brethren were with them, meaning this, they not only could
see what was going on and know what to do about it. A lot of people have the first two
down. They can read the signs of the times, they can see it, they know what to do about
it. We got a lot of armchair quarterback prophetic voices that are hanging out in their mom's
basement saying, here's how it's going to be, you know, but they don't rightly align
in the body. In other words, the third part of being a son of Issachar is you're rightly
aligned with your brethren, you're aligned with those that you're called to be with.
And when you find your tribal alignment, then you're going to begin to put order to things.
So just as much as we pray and fast, you get to get with your people. You know who your
people are. And that's why I like hanging with you, John. That's how we do stuff together.
That's why voices are uniting. If things are too small, men fight. If it's big enough,
we'll unite. But when you find your place in that unification, that's how we begin to
bring real change here, not just praying, being in the right location with your people.
Yeah. Being in the right location with your people, because we're not called to be alone
in this, you know, like there. I mean, Jesus had his 12 disciples, you know, like there's
there's, you know, Paul had Barnabas and, you know, he traveled with with people and
there was a purpose for them being together. And you can you can encourage each other and
lift each other up when you're you're down. And that's always it's always a good thing.
And so I heard if somebody there's a there's a great old quote that says, if you want to
get somewhere fast, go to go alone. But if you want to go far, go together. And so in
order for us to actually go far and not just burn out quickly, like sprinting, then we
need to go together. And so I think that's a word for the churches that, you know, there's
a lot of division amongst different churches. Unfortunately, there's a lot of that spirit
of competition there, which I hate. But it's it is so true. Because we have our own little
fiefdoms as churches. And that's that's not a good thing, because we're supposed to be
in the kingdom of God. And we're just stewards of his kingdom. So if we come if we can come
together, then we're going to be able to go far and see and see what you were just talking
about this fig tree, fertilizer. I believe this too. And this is something important.
This is for our audience, because you and I are very much in the charismatic, supernatural
space. I believe God is also bringing a right sizing to the prophetic. He's bringing a right
sizing to many of these areas where the sensational is going to kind of go to the wayside and
results based prophecy is going to take the main step up. And then, you know, because
a lot of people they're looking for the sensational, and they're missing the spirit. When people
look for the sensational, which I enjoy sensational, if God wants to turn all our teeth platinum
and knock us on the ground and gold dust is flying like a hurricane, I'm in. But the bottom
line is, is it just better have results when it's done. And even if it doesn't, if God
wants to do it, I'm in. Yeah, I think our focus should be that we we emphasize we emphasize
results based ministry, results based prophecy, and this crazy word that we've got to add
to the mix. It's an H word, and it starts with an H and it plays out with humility.
And we need to have that in the prophetic. And I'm thinking of this because you know,
Second Corinthians 11, John, and you know, the scripture, but it talks about such a false
apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. But it
says and it's predicated on it because it says in verse 14, and no wonder for Satan
himself transforms himself into an angel of light. And I believe there's a lot of people
that in these sensational desires to see things and predict every outcome and do all this
stuff, which if God shows us, we should. But really, when you when you stretch too far
into what is not written, right, can happen is the devil can deceive you as an angel of
light. And that can happen to believers and unbelievers if we're not really in the word
of God. And I'll just say this piece here. And that's a first Corinthians chapter four,
verse six, it says, Learn from us to not go beyond what is written. And when you get a
hold of not going beyond what is written, you're not going to be deceived. You become
a lover of the truth. And I'll tell you what what takes place then is you'll begin to absolutely
elevate in what God's called you to do. And as a whole, the body of Christ will get healthier.
And we can absolutely have love for one another. And I believe there will be no deception among
us if we just become lovers of the word of God with these gifts. I just really want to
say that because I believe people are so looking for what's going to happen next. They have
what do you call it? Like a prediction addiction. And they want to they want to know what's
coming. And and I believe in that. And God shows us. But prophets hear me. And I love
you. You know, I'm in this space. And I say this to myself and you. But hear me. If you
haven't seen it and you haven't truly dreamt it and it's not really what God's showing
you, please say only what you've seen and then take it through the lens of the scripture.
And you're going to keep yourself safe and others safe, too.
That's a great word, Joseph. You know, especially in this in this season right now, where I
think because of elections, there's there's a lot of extra prophetic things or prophetic.
Yeah, there's a mania going on for sure. And things have been kind of trending recently.
And this is a good a good segue into the like a side topic here. But there has been a lot
of extra biblical, you know, or not extra biblical, not like that, that they're more
biblical. But they're outside of the Bible. They're outside of the normal prophetic where
you've had the Hopi Indian prophecy about the man with the red hat coming to help bring
bring rightness and reclaim the land. You have the cliffhide for predictive language
model thing back in 2009, where he said that, you know, aliens were going to invade basically
39 days after this trigger event of Joe Rogan interviewing Donald Trump. Now that was that
was made. That prediction was made before Joe Rogan even had a podcast in 2009. And
so that just kind of makes you wonder. And yesterday, as we're recording this live on
the 15th, yesterday was the UAP hearing. And so there's, there's a lot of strange things
that are happening there. But I love what you said, that you need to just when God says
something to you, and you feel that this is God, write it down, don't add to it, and compare
it with the word. Whenever we see some of these extra biblical outside of the Bible
prophecies, how do we deal with those things, especially if parts of them seem to be coming
true?
Well, that's such a great question, John, and I'm gonna I'm gonna jump right into this,
because I think this is going to help people. You know, there's nothing new under the sun.
So we had everybody from the Oracle of Delphi to the Nostradamus is to all these people.
Even people have done things where horses you know, they thought horses were psychic
back in the day, they'd test a horse and it clack its foot, you know, for you know, predicting
things and so people do that, or even all the way to Groundhog's Day and all this stuff.
People have this innately in their fabric of their being, where they just have a spooky
mystical thought process. That's why people get into horoscopes. That's why people get
into all this stuff. The bottom line is this, even the stars speak of the glory of God,
and that's been perverted with all the you know, the stuff we see. Astrology. Yeah, that's
right. The bottom line is when people are looking for these things, it's because it's
like that U2 song, that old song that says I have run, I have climbed, right? Yeah. It
says, but I still haven't found what I'm looking for. And the bottom line is every person,
every person ever created or born is looking for the answer. They're looking for the Lord
Jesus Christ. And there's all these counterfeits out there. So can people that are not born
again make predictions and they come to pass? The answer is a resounding yes, they can because
they're human beings. They're made in the image and likeness of God. They might be only
His creation, not His children, but they still have that DNA. They still got that fabric
in them. So even unbelievers can have a prophetic gift in them that is unredeemed, used by demons.
Therefore it's more psychic and it's a mess, but it is a gift from God built in their DNA.
Nice and nice people have that. So what you see is the fabric of creation and reality
all declares the glory of God. And when people pervert that or they tap into it through the
wrong lens with the wrong compunction, they got a demonic unction on it. They'll begin
to look at it through that and they'll begin to interpret things. They can actually find
truth. They can find facts, but they'll be ever learning and never come to the knowledge
of the truth, the way, the life. And so what is happening is, is yes, as far as like people
say, well, I've seen this, therefore we have the truth. Big deal. Even a blind squirrel
gets a nut every now and then. You got to recognize that when people are going through
this kind of stuff, yes, there's going to be accurate things and demonic powers, just
like the slave girl that was prophesying, right? Prophecying to Paul. And finally he
turned around being greatly annoyed and said, come out of her in Jesus' name. But she was
saying true things. She was saying, follow these men of God, listen to them. They're
telling you the truth. And this...
I've always been confused by that because why would a demon say to, you know, say follow
Paul, follow his teachings? Why would a demon say that? I don't know.
They weren't declaring Jesus Christ as Lord, but it kept, they were close enough to the
truth to continue getting attention, but not landing at Jesus Christ as Lord. Reject pagan
gods and come to Jesus. That's not what the demon was saying, but it was staying close
enough to the action to get attention. That's what the spirit of Jezebel does in the Book
of Revelation also. Close enough to the action to still get attention and stay in control.
And people aren't quite sure what's operating there. And you recognize that over and over
again. How about when, what was it, Saul, and he went to the Witch of Endor and pulled
Samuel out of the abyss? The bottom line is I think that really was Samuel. I think things
were really happening. There are powers that people can do. Now that's Old Testament, just
for everybody here. You can't do that in the New Testament. Jesus Christ went down there,
emptied out that location. Right. He fixed that mess. We can't mess in that stuff. But
the bottom line is, is there are powers that people have as free moral agents, human beings
is what I'm talking about, and they can do things if they step into these realms we're
not supposed to go into because there's a touch of God on every person. And if they
don't find Jesus, they can authorize things in the natural, including this UFO mess, including
alien activity, including demonic things from the other side of the veil. Humanity can tear
the veil like it talks about in Revelation 9 where it's going to open up the bottomless
pit. I personally believe things like CERN and things like these scientific experiments
is no different than the Tower of Babel in Genesis chapter 11 where humanity said, we
will do these things. And the bottom line is they can, they can, they can rebel against
God and allow some of these things as free moral agents because we have physical bodies,
we have natural authority to open up and give permission to spiritual beings to come into
the natural. It's the same reason Jesus had to be born of a virgin. So my point is this,
is can they predict things? Yes. Can they see things? Can they, can they see things
that are legitimate? Yes. Even Pilate's wife had a dream about Jesus stay away from that
man she said, right? And the bottom line is people have these experiences but ultimately
angels of light can step into that category, begin to deceive those who have real experiences
or even real gifting without Jesus, without the Word of God as our bedrock and then you
add that element to being a lover of the truth. You must love the truth. If you're a lover
of the truth and you're in the Word of God and you know Jesus Christ is your Lord, no
matter who predicts what, bip-bop-bo-bo, they're not going to be able to land what God's really
saying. They'll begin to say all kinds of things and even Christians will fall for it
if they're carnal. And that's why we got to keep preaching this Bible, John, and I so
appreciate you because you do that. And if we're lovers of the truth, meaning there's
only one thing that gives us the truth and we stand on this and then we get prophetic
words and we run it through the truth with a love of the truth, you'll never be deceived.
It's impossible. That is so good. Thank you for bringing some clarification to that. I
love how you explained about how, yes, these things are legitimate, but they're not from
God. I mean, we are made in God's image, but that's the difference between creation and
children. I thought that was so key there. Before we wrap up, I know there's a big fight
tonight between Mike Tyson and another guy, Jake Paul, which is very interesting, but
God gave you a word about that. And I don't want to miss this opportunity to kind of recap
that and hear what you have to say. Yeah, John, I'll share what I know. And so, you
know, we know in part we prophesy in part, but in 2020, here's the word I got. And I'm
not trying to make a prediction here because I don't want to get everybody going because
there's no upside to this prediction. Yeah, if this is the case. But in 2020, I got done
with the New Year's Eve service, I walked into a back room where many of my leaders
and many people were. And I have a lot of this date stamped. And I've said this over
the years, so we have it live so people know this. I walked in the room and I saw vision
suddenly, I said, it came out of my mouth, a heavyweight champion or a heavyweight fighter
is going to come out of retirement and contend. And there's going to be death involved. I
saw death. I thought what in the world? And so I shared it and people back then started
messaging me because shortly on the heels of that Tyson came out and he was I don't
know if it was Roy Jones or who he was fighting at the time. But he came out and he was doing
a basically a non sanctioned fight with a former heavyweight also and came out and people
like, is he going to die? What's happening here? And I just said, I don't know. I saw
that. And so here we are in a do over a year. Seeing these things happen. I believe this
regardless of if that is him or if this is all going to take place, I believe either
way the word is that we're seeing a generational collision that precedes the spirit of Elijah
because the word of the Lord is that the spirit Elijah comes to bring the hearts of the father
and the children back together. And sometimes there has to be a schooling that takes place
first. So I believe it has to do with generations. I believe we're going to see an outcome here.
And I'm still praying through that. And I pray safety over Iron Mike and I pray safety
over Jake. I don't want anybody harmed. But I did see that in 2020. I don't know if it
applies to this. If it does, I need to pray and see what the Lord is really saying next.
Yeah, for sure. And you mentioned about a generational thing. And so there's a generational
shift in this post election world now, too. I know God has spoken to you about the generations
there. Can we just kind of end on this note here? For sure, John. Well, the generational
shift is this. I believe that when the spirit of Elijah comes, reformers always come on
the heels of darkness that has overreached and continued to sow darkness and sow and
sow some more. Ahab and Jezebel sowed wickedness and sowed darkness unashamedly, unabashedly.
They just kept sowing and sowing and doing wickedness and doing wickedness and violating
the Lord God Almighty. And they kept doing it. And when darkness continues to sow without
any turn, without any repentance, without any concern, without any blushing, Jezebel
never blushed. It got to the point that they sowed. And when you do that, eventually darkness
will reap. And what darkness reaps when it continues to sow is a reformer. And what happened
with Jezebel and Ahab, they pushed so hard that they finally reaped Elijah. And I believe
Elijah comes and he brings a generational merging because the end cannot come until
the spirit of Elijah comes and merges the hearts of the fathers back to the hearts of
the children. And I believe very clearly we are stepping into that time frame where the
spirit of Elijah of reformation in every generation gets a reformer. They get their opportunity.
We're stepping into the spirit of Elijah right now where there's going to be a generational
merging meaning the old and the young working together. The book of Proverbs says the glory
of young men is their strength and the glory of old men is their gray hair. You put that
together, you have wisdom with momentum. You have wisdom with results. And I believe God
is saying that is the spirit of Elijah. He's trying to bring that onto the scene before
the end. And that is just what Bible teaches us. So that's what I see as a generational
merging.
Yeah, that's very encouraging because I feel like I'm starting to get some gray hairs in
different places. But I'm still strong. I'm still in the strong. But yeah, so I'm starting
to get dreams and I'm still getting visions. So I'm turning 40 in January. But yeah.
Congratulations. Yeah. But Joseph, there's so many more things I'd like to talk to you
about. But I know our time is our time is short here today. But thank you so much for
going live with me and talking about this spiritual environment that we're in right
now, especially with what God has spoken to you in the past and how we've seen that unfold
in this year. I know there's more things to come, but you've given us a lot of hope to
look forward to say this do over year is looking good. That lets us analyze this ground and
let's get ready for this next season because we got to take care of what God's given us.
This is a window of opportunity that we can't miss. Would you pray for for us for everybody
that's been watching? I'll leave you with this thought too. You know, darkness doesn't
want to go out quietly. These these wicked lizard overlords and all the stuff they want
to do. They want to bring evil forward and they want to do it. They are not going to
go peacefully. But if we keep rising, it'll be just like the blue line and the red line
in the middle of the night, the red the blue line popped up at about three in the morning
and it tried to meet the red line. But there was just too much of us. We came it and I
believe that is happening in the spirit. If we keep rising, no matter what they try, we'll
overcome it. Now, I'd love to pray, Father, I bless every viewer right now. I come into
agreement with John and all the audience today. Everybody is watching us live. We bless you.
Listen to me. God is with you on a bad day. You are anointed to be the very best there
is. God has called you. He's causing you to shine in the middle of a dark time. Galatians
1 4 says that it is the will of God that you be delivered from this present evil age. So,
Lord, we rise up in the will of God and we say, Lord, thank you for your delivering power.
Thank you for what you've done in our nation. Thank you that we've got one more round. Thank
you, Lord, that even as darkness tries to respond, we are the red church, the blood
bot believers, and we know how to stand against this nefarious power. And let me say something
right to you who are watching right now. You are going to be OK. You're going to be OK.
God is with you and Jesus wants you to win even more than you do. He wants you to rise
and shine even more than you want it. He wants you to find your tribal alignment even more
than you want it. He wants this nation and all the nations rescued even more than they
do. God is not willing that any should perish. He's long suffering. And that's why the end
hasn't come suddenly because he's waiting on the church to continue rising. All creation
is groaning and waiting for you. So I bless you in Jesus name. I speak life over you and
God is with you. Don't you be afraid. Keep watching. Keep discerning because Jesus is
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