Him and his wife, who was a witch,
tried to recruit me into the coven.
When she took me down to the basement,
all that was down there was a shelf
that had a piece of velvet on it
and a noose hanging from a beam.
You could be down here and scream your head off
and nobody'd ever hear you.
Katie, Susie, it's great to have you here on Charisma.
And we are excited to partner with you for this book,
The Serpent and the Soul.
I mean, wow.
We're talking about serpent spirits
and there's a lot of times that people
just don't understand what we're talking about
whenever we're talking about serpent spirits
and the need for deliverance.
It sounds a little bit weird.
Let's just put it that way.
It sounds a little bit weird, a little bit crazy,
but we need to put verbiage to things
and explain things in certain ways
so that people understand that.
So I am super excited about this conversation, Katie.
So it's great to have you here on Charisma.
Thanks, thanks, John.
Thanks so much.
Yeah, I'm glad you are braving the waters, so to speak,
because it's true.
These things are real and the church is ill-equipped
to come against this level of warfare in this hour,
which is absolutely swarming every believer.
So it's necessary that we understand these things.
Jesus talked about it.
In Luke 10, He said that we've been given authority
to trample on serpents and scorpions
and over all the power of the enemy
and nothing shall in any way harm us.
Now, when He's speaking that,
He's not talking about just snakes in the natural
because in context, right before that,
the disciples came back from a missionary trip saying,
even the demons submitted to us in your name.
And Jesus said, I saw Satan fall like lightning
from the sky.
I've given you authority to trample on serpents
and scorpions.
Now, so in context, He's talking about demonic spirits.
Now, if you think about it, if He's telling these guys,
hey, I've given you authority to trample on these snakes
right after they said,
even the demons submitted to us in your name.
That means that many of the demonic entities
that the disciples took on during their missionary journey
were demons that came in the form of serpents and scorpions.
So these are real.
They're very hard to see
and that's why many Christians miss them,
but we need to know about them
because Jesus told us in the Great Commission in Mark 16
that we're gonna preach the gospel, baptize the nations.
We're gonna heal the sick, drive out demons,
raise the dead and take up serpents.
That's called the Great Commission for a reason
because it's great in its scope.
It is for every single believer,
not just for a snake hunter like myself.
And that word take up there is the Greek word, iro.
It means to remove anything that's attached to anything.
So once people begin to understand
the activity of these demonic serpents,
they'll see that they are attached to anything.
They are attached to people's bank accounts, their money,
their family, their marriage, they're breaking up marriages.
They're causing your body to be sick.
They're causing your business to split apart.
They're causing strife and division in the church.
I have scriptures for all of these things.
I'm not just saying a list right now.
I have backup scriptures that we don't have time to,
you know, expound on right now
for every claim that I'm making.
And many people do not see these serpents
because Genesis three says that they're the most craftiest
beast of the field.
Them snakes are sneaky.
They have, they are masters of camouflage technology,
which means that even in the natural, when you see a snake
and it's very hard to see them,
their scales blend in with their surroundings.
You know, desert snakes like rattlers,
you won't even see them.
You'll hear them because their scales match the rocks
and the sand and every part of the desert scheme.
You go into the jungle and 800 pound anaconda
can slither silently through the trees
because it's so stealth.
It has so much camouflage technology.
Its scales blend into the jungle foliage.
You won't know it's even there
until it's already dropped around its prey
and squeezed it to death and is squeezing it to death.
See, these snakes are very, very camouflage able.
And so then they hide themselves on people's bodies
in their lives without us being able to see them.
That's what we have to say in the fiery presence of God.
When Paul, you know, accidentally picked up a serpent
on the island of Malta while picking up a bundle of sticks
because it was cold night, they were shipwrecked,
he was building a fire.
He didn't know he had a deadly viper inside that bundle
because the serpent looked just like one of the sticks.
But when he threw it on the fire,
the heat of the fire drove it out of hiding.
When we get into the fiery presence of God
through fasting, through tongues, through prayer,
through fiery worship, we will start to actually be able
to see these demonic serpents.
Yeah, so we need to have eyes that see these things
because it's easy to go through life
and just not be paying attention.
But these forces of darkness that are out there are real.
They're not just imaginary.
It's not just a Disney evil cloud that comes over.
There is so much real to this that it's actually more real
than our physical reality.
So we as believers need to be able to stand against that.
And I love how you talk about fire and how important it is
because the fire is what really kind of separates us
from that.
So explain about fire and the hedge of protection.
Okay, well, fire, okay, so think about it.
Moses grew up in Pharaoh's household.
We all know that.
In Exodus four, in the Amplified Classic,
it says that when Moses was up on the mountain
with God and the fiery bush was up there,
that the rod became a serpent.
And in the Amplified Classic, it says that that,
when it became a serpent, it was a symbol
of the serpent that was on the crown of Pharaoh
that symbolized the power of Pharaoh.
That's actually in the Bible.
Okay, so what does all this mean?
Moses grew up in Pharaoh's household.
As a young prince of Egypt, he was required
to have the education of Egypt.
The Egyptians understood something very important.
The more educated there's civilians,
that they're people of the nation,
the stronger the nation would be.
So part of the education system that was very important
to the Egyptians was for all Egyptians
to learn about the pantheon of gods that Egypt worshiped.
Now, as a prince of Egypt, he was in Pharaoh's household,
he had to learn about the power god that was over the palace.
The wadjet, the serpent was on the crown of Pharaoh.
So that was the reigning god in Pharaoh's household.
So Moses is taught, as he was growing up,
to worship the snake.
To bring offerings to the serpent.
To learn how to serve the serpent.
So then when he leaves that household,
when you are exposed to that level of occultic activity,
that stays with you until it gets exposed and healed.
Now, look, people say, well, how do you,
well, it says in the Bible that that serpent
in Exodus four, go read in the Amplified Classic,
is the reigning power in Pharaoh's household.
And look at Pharaoh's magicians.
Their rods turned into snakes.
Because that was the reigning god of the household.
So their magic was surrounded by serpents.
So here is Moses, he's in the desert,
and he sees a bush that's on fire, but does not burn.
And he says, I'm gonna go see this thing.
I'm gonna go see this thing.
I'm gonna turn aside and look at it.
He goes up, and while he's standing in front
of the fiery bush that does not burn,
God begins to commission Moses to go,
you're gonna go into Egypt, you're gonna free my people
from the rule of Pharaoh, the snake king,
and you're gonna go to a land that I promised you
and take possession of it.
So as he's doing this, and I'll even go to the chapter,
because it's so powerful.
Moses says in verse one of Exodus four,
oh, look, when I go to my people,
they will not believe me or listen to me.
They'll not believe that I met with you.
That you've appeared to me.
And the second verse, the Lord doesn't even address
his question, he says to him, what is that in your hand?
And Moses answers the rod.
Do we actually believe that God doesn't know
what's in Moses' hand?
The rod.
You know, no.
What, the reason why God is asking that is because
he wants to know if Moses knows what he's been carrying
around for his entire life since Egypt.
A snake who is a master of camouflage
has been disguising itself as a rod.
That's why he asked himself,
that's why God asked Moses, what's in your hand?
He says, a rod.
No, it's not really a rod.
Then on the next verse, verse three,
he says, now cast it on the ground.
So when Moses cast that rod on the ground
in front of the fiery bush, it says it became
what it really was, a serpent, the symbol of royal
and divine power worn on the crown of Pharaohs.
And Moses fled from it.
See, in the fiery presence of God,
the fire will drive the snake out of hiding.
See, Paul, let's go back to Paul for a second.
He's carrying around a bundle of sticks.
He doesn't know he's got that serpent in.
He throws it on the fire.
The fire drives it out of hiding.
It bites him, but he shakes it off.
He's left unharmed.
That's how powerful the fire of God is.
Now, here's the interesting part.
When you look up that story,
it says that he's carrying a bundle of sticks.
The word bundle there means a multitude of men.
Go look it up.
It means a multitude of men,
meaning the multitude of men are carrying around serpents
and they don't know it.
And here's Moses.
He's been carrying around a serpent,
disguised, camouflaged technology,
as a staff his whole life.
And here's God trying to commission him,
commissioning him, not trying, commissioning him
to go and free the Israelites from captivity in Egypt.
And what happens?
You've got to get desnake-ified.
You've got to get rid of these serpents
you're carrying around before you can carry out
the commissioning of God.
Moses would not be able to free the Israelites
from captivity in Egypt against the snake king.
He would not be able to win the war against the snake king
if he had a serpent on himself.
Because Jesus said in John 14, 30,
the prince's world is coming, but he's nothing in me.
That's in common with him, so he has no power over me.
So Moses couldn't have anything in him
that was in common with the pharaoh, the snake king.
That way pharaoh wouldn't have any power over Moses.
God had to meet Moses on that mountain with a fiery bush.
He doesn't just pick signs out of a hat,
like today I'll do a rainbow,
tomorrow I'll do snow and hail,
tomorrow I'll do the Red Sea party.
No, he picked specific signs and wonders
at specific times for specific reasons.
He picked the fiery bush that did not burn up
on the mountain to meet Moses there
so that the fiery bush would drive that snake
out of hiding that Moses had been carrying around
his whole life so that Moses could then pick up the rod.
Because afterwards, God said,
now pick it up by the tail.
That's nuts, you don't pick up a snake by the tail,
it'll swing around and bite you.
But God wanted to show him,
you didn't have dominion over it before,
that's why you fled from it, that's what the Bible said,
fled from it when it turned into a snake,
when it turned into what it really was.
But now that you're getting healed and delivered
in the presence of my fire, pick it up by the tail.
What did it do?
It turned back into the rod.
But this time, it was the real rod of power.
The real rod of power that would call down plagues upon Egypt
and the snake king, that would part the Red Sea,
that would strike the rock and water would come out
in the middle of the desert.
He then carried the real rod of power.
We've got to get rid of these snakes that we're carrying
so that we're carrying the real rod of power of God
so that we can truly deliver people from the world.
Yeah, so getting rid of these snakes that we're carrying,
Katie, I got to ask, how did God get rid of the snakes
in your life?
Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Revelation, Revelation, God just said,
you know, he started, he always does the same thing with me.
I get in the presence for elongated periods of time,
and then he starts giving me scripture,
and then he'll give me one scripture
and he'll link it to a next scripture,
then he'll link it to the next scripture,
then he'll link it to the next scripture
until he builds this very solid harmonious doctrine
throughout the text to show me
this is not just this little word here,
this is actually a revelatory insight,
a teaching that can get people freed.
So that process, whenever it happens like that for me,
that's how all my teachings have been birthed,
is that it comes to me and I walk it out myself
and I get free myself.
And then I can go and then administrate that freedom
with the truth of the word to other people.
Yeah, so it's just like some personal stories
of how God has brought you through some of those things
that you now see that there was a snake,
or that was a python spirit or something like that.
Could you just kind of get a little personal?
I know you've got a great testimony,
so I wanna pull a little bit of that out of here
before we go into more teaching.
Yeah, like I can remember waking up
shortly after I first started getting this Revelation
and I had a indentation in my breast
about the depth of the tip of my pinky finger,
which is pretty deep, it's like that deep.
And so I was like, what is this God?
And he said, I want you to soak in fire and I'll show you.
I was on tour at the time, I spent the night up,
singing a fire song and then falling asleep
and then getting up and singing the fire song,
falling asleep and just pressing with fire all night long.
Finally, I had a vision.
I had a vision of a serpent up on its tail
with this triangular jaw, which means that they're venomous,
striking at me.
And I said, what is that Lord?
And he goes, that's the snake
that's trying to give you breast cancer.
So I did what Jesus said to do, take up serpents.
I prophetically did an act where I pulled that snake off
of that area of my body and cast it into the abyss,
the fiery abyss, and then the Lord says,
now take communion for the next three days a lot
and command the venom to come out of your body.
So I did.
And I command the venom to come out
and I was taking the communion.
And I taking the communion because see,
people don't understand when you're taking communion.
Okay, the very first prophecy about Christ
is the seed of the woman will crush the head
of the seed of the serpent.
Seed of the woman, Jesus Christ,
will curse the head of the seed of the serpent.
That's in Genesis three, where the serpent
is now shipwrecked all of mankind.
And when we take communion, we're doing it in remembrance
of Christ's work on the cross.
That's where the crushing took place.
So I was taking the communion,
I was commanding the venom to come out.
And for three days I was balled up in my bed
in agonizing pain, because that part,
that area of my body was just in agonizing pain.
And I thought for a second, I just made it mad.
I didn't get rid of it, I just made it mad.
But that's not what it was.
On the third day when I got up,
I went to the bathroom to take a shower
and that indentation had fully grown in, it had filled in.
The pain I was feeling was the regeneration
of the breast tissue being healed
and regenerated from that cancer,
the venom that the enemy was pumping into my breast.
So that's just one example.
And I see many people like, I just came back from a meeting
and there was a girl there, she had a full spinal fusion.
Every disc fused to the other disc by metal.
And metal rods in her back.
She could only turn this much.
And if she turned any more, she was in excretionary pain
and the doctor said, if you try to force it and turn more,
you're gonna snap the bars
and you're gonna have to have surgery to fix it.
And so they brought her over to me,
I prayed for her and she had snakes up and down her spine.
And I just pulled them all off, take up serpents.
That's what Jesus said.
And very quickly, she was turning all the way around to her.
I can't even turn as far as her.
We call her Elastigirl now.
She was turning all the way around, both ways,
leaning all the way back, totally healed.
This is, I see that happen all the time.
I have people check people's spines before I pray for them.
And they check, okay, it's crooked.
It goes like this and then it indents like this.
And then I pray for them.
I pull the snake up their back
and the spine literally snaps into place straight,
straight as an arrow, bam.
There's the spine perfectly aligned
with the right curve in it where it's supposed to be,
straight on the front view, everything.
This is real.
And I have seen massive, massive, massive miracles
of every kind from this revelation.
Amen, amen.
You mentioned about fire songs.
Could you tell us what that actually is?
Because I'm really interested.
I've been a worship leader for many years myself.
I know there's songs that talk about fire,
but help us understand what that means
and what that type of, I guess, intercessory worship
might look like.
Well, just take, fire down to my soul, all consuming fire.
There's songs that talk about fire
that you can sing along with
and just really get fiery with it.
There are other songs that they don't even mention fire,
but they are fiery in their content.
They are fiery in the music progressions
and the melody lines and everything else in the choruses
that if you play them on repeat
and you just sing, sing, sing,
and really worship and get fiery,
that brings the burning.
That brings the Holy Spirit,
also crying out for the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
When John the Baptist said,
oh, you're brood of vipers.
And he said, the acts that the root of the trees repent.
Therefore, before your tree gets cut down
and thrown into the fire.
And then he says, one is coming who is gonna baptize you
with the Holy Spirit and fire.
So when we see that John the Baptist talking about Jesus
coming to baptize us with the Holy Spirit and fire,
it's in context with John the Baptist
bringing you judgments against the Pharisees
who were called, oh, you brood of vipers.
Meaning there were men,
human beings controlled by demonic snakes.
Wow.
So there's all throughout the Bible,
the snake is a bad thing, obviously.
But Jesus does say that we're supposed to be
wisest serpents and gentlest doves.
That's a little bit different than that.
But in the Old Testament, you have Jesus,
or I'm sorry, God told Moses to make a stick,
make a staff and put a serpent on it
that was made out of copper or gold or bronze
or something like that.
What kind of revelation do you have about that
in regards to the serpent?
Because that seems to be a little bit confusing.
It actually isn't, and there's so much there.
I don't know if I can,
I'll try to synopsize it very shortly for you.
The story begins in Numbers 21,
where it says that the people,
their souls have become much discouraged
because of the way.
When your soul gets wounded
because of the trials of the journey,
because of the stressors, because of the traumas,
what happens is you begin to speak
out of the pain in your soul.
And that's what they did.
Next thing you know, they're saying,
oh, they spoke against God and against Moses, it said.
Why have you brought us out of Egypt, into this desert?
And we hate, we loathe this manna.
Okay, they even brought up, they said,
we loathe this light bread, our soul loathe this manna.
And then it says, and God sent fiery serpents to bite them.
Why would God do that?
Well, remember we just talked about the communion.
The communion is partaking of the moment
Christ crushed the head of the serpent.
And here they are, they're loathing the manna.
Well, in 1 Corinthians, I believe it's 10,
Paul says, when they were in the desert,
they ate from the same, they ate the same spiritual food
and they drank from the same spiritual rock.
And that rock was Christ.
Meaning he was saying that they were foreshadowing
and the desert, they were eating communion.
They were eating the spiritual bread, the manna,
the living bread that came down from heaven.
Jesus called himself that, John 6.
They were drinking from the rock, which was Christ.
That's why when Moses struck the rock twice,
he couldn't go in the promised land
because he was actually striking Christ twice.
Christ only needed to be struck once on the cross.
Not twice.
Wow.
So he was striking the son of God.
And here's the people in the desert,
their souls have gotten much discouraged
because of the way they're speaking
out of the pain in their souls.
We all do it.
We, you know, like, oh, I can't believe this.
Oh, and that person and oh, and this and that.
And everybody gets all worked up
when their soul has been wounded by the trials of the way.
And as part of their confessions out of their mouth,
they went against God and against Moses.
And they said, we hate this manna.
Our soul hated that.
It's like, you know what?
That's the living bread.
It's a foreshadowing of Christ.
And you just said you hate it
and you don't want to eat it anymore.
So here comes the fiery snakes to bite them.
Moses then takes a bronze serpent
and puts it up on the pole.
What is that?
Jesus said, just as Moses lifted up the serpent
in the desert, so must the Son of Man be lifted up
so that all who look upon him will believe.
Okay, so what does this mean?
This means that the serpent on the pole,
you think, why would they?
And they're supposed to look attentively
and expectantly at it.
And if they did, they would live
because that serpent on the pole represented Christ.
How so?
How can a snake represent Christ?
Because Christ literally nailed the serpent
in the garden from the garden on up to the cross
when he died at Calvary.
He took all of that that the serpent did against us
and nailed it to his cross.
So when they're seeing this bronze serpent on the pole,
it's representing God nailing the works,
the attacks, the assaults of the serpent onto the cross,
onto the place where Christ took all of it for us.
And that's why I said, if you sit there
and you look expectantly and attentively
at the serpent on the cross, you will live.
They're all getting bit.
Many of them died.
I can imagine even seeing the bites on people
as they're sitting there trying their hardest,
just to have faith and believe, I'm not gonna die.
I just got bit.
I'm not gonna die.
I just got bit.
And they're looking at the serpent on the pole,
which is Christ on the cross.
And they're living and the venom is,
instead of going into their body,
is actually being poured out of their body.
I believe that's true.
That's just my opinion for me seeing cancer
pour out of people's bodies.
And it looks like running yellow venom liquid of a serpent
where I've seen all kinds of things like that
come out of people's bodies when the serpent is judged.
And I love how they loved the manna.
They didn't wanna eat it.
So God says, if you don't wanna eat my son's living bread,
his body, shit for you on the cross,
guess what, you're gonna look at it.
Wow.
That is a powerful revelation.
And we can go much deeper into that
at some other point too.
But I know that you go into so much in your book,
but you've had so many amazing
or really incredible experiences with spiritual warfare.
And when you mess with spiritual warfare
and you go after the devil,
the devil tries to come after you.
And I know that the devil has some assignments against you,
but you're not afraid of them.
And so I'd love to hear you talk about this
a little bit more here.
Some of those things and how you are protecting yourself
and going after them actually.
The number one thing is,
is that you don't have any authority
over anything you're not healed of.
So we have to be healed in our mind, will and emotions,
our soul, and in our ancestral bloodline of things,
of altars that were set up by witches,
warlocks, demons, and everything else.
And when we do that, when we take the steps
and understand how witches and warlocks
are actually reaching out their hand
from the power of the altars that they built
through blood sacrifices to seize you,
that's 1 Kings 13, by the way.
Jeroboom says, from the altar, he reached out and said,
seize the man of God when the prophet came
to release a judgment against that altar.
And his hand withered up and dried up.
Why?
Because the prophet had already decreed to the altar,
altar, altar, break apart and pour out ashes.
He'd already destroyed that King Jeroboom's power source.
So he could no longer stretch out his hand
from the power of the altar.
So there are things, there's altars in the soul,
there's altars in our bloodline.
There's things that we need to get healed of.
When we do that, then we will be able
to go after the high level stuff.
And I know you wanna ask me a specific question.
Yes, I do.
Go ahead. I do.
So I heard you talk about shapeshifters
and werewolves coming after you,
or coming after your family, but you're going after them.
I gotta hear more about this because this is,
this is not something that I was expecting to hear
because you think, oh, that's just make-believe or fantasy.
But Katie, I totally believe that what you're saying is true
because I've seen things, I've heard things,
I've experienced things.
And so many times we just kind of like poo poo that,
or we just kind of like write it off as like,
oh, something weird, that's just my imagination.
But there's more to that if our eyes are opened.
Yeah, well, first, let me just bring a couple of texts in
just so people can think that we're,
we haven't completely lost our mind.
A.W. Pink, who is a Calvinist expositor,
teaches about the angel doctrine.
Rick Renner teaches about the angel doctrine in Genesis 6.
I mean, there is some men of God,
men, those are just two of a list of highly respected,
doctrinally accurate theologians who have studied scriptures,
studied historical contexts, historical records,
other, not canonized, but books that were well-read
in the time of the disciples, in the time of Jesus,
like the book of Enoch,
which is mentioned in the book of Jude and things like that.
They have studied these things and they agree with me.
This is not me going off the rails
because I have some sort of insane position.
You know, Genesis 6, the doctrine of the angels
that came down had intimacy,
illegal intimacy with women, took them as wives.
And because of their DNA inside of them,
they produced mutants.
They produced giants out of this unholy union
with human women, but they didn't just fornicate
with the women.
If you read Genesis 6, I'll go to the scripture,
it says, and God looked upon the world
and saw how degenerate, debased, and vicious it was
for all humanity had corrupted their way on the earth
and lost their directions.
And he even goes on to say that I wanna find the,
it says, I will wipe away mankind whom I've created
from the face of the earth.
This is verse seven, not only man,
but the beasts and the creeping things
and the birds of the air, for it grieves me
and makes me regretful that I have made them.
Why would God punish the beasts, the animals
that he had created?
Because these angels, these fallen angels
were so debased, so perverse, that they not only had
unholy relations with human women,
but also with animals, bestiality, and things like that.
They did experiments.
They were trying to create animals who had their DNA
in them so they could be supernatural creatures.
Why would they do that?
Look at what's in heaven, four living creatures,
beasts with wings and eyes that cover their whole body
and beasts that have an ox head and then an eagle head
and a human head and a lion head, all in one creature.
I mean, bizarre looking creatures
and what these fallen angels were doing,
were trying to recreate those kinds of things
here on earth.
And so they experimented on animals.
They fornicated with animals.
And what happened is out of this fornication
and these experiments came beasts.
And we see that throughout history.
You see, you know, satyrs and medusa
with the snakes on her heads and, you know,
half fish, half men.
And the gods that the Egyptians worship
were frogs with male lower parts and frogs' heads.
I mean, there was these mixtures of men and beasts
of demonic angelic DNA and creatures.
And then in the caves of Quorum,
the Quorum caves, I think it was back in 1942,
don't quote me if that's the wrong year,
two shepherd boys are near the caves of Quorum
where a group called the Essenes,
where a group of scribes had lived
and they were throwing rocks and there's multiple,
many, many, many, many dozens and dozens of caves
in the cliffs in that region.
And these two young men were herding sheep
and they were throwing rocks into the mouths of the caves.
And suddenly they heard pottery crash.
And so they went and told someone, they came back
and all of the scrolls, the Dead Sea scrolls were discovered.
Some of our most accurate translations come
from those discoveries of these clay jars
with scrolls inside of them of books
that were handwritten by these scribes from scripture,
the Book of Isaiah, many, many books.
Well, one of the books found in there,
though it was very degraded,
was a book called the Book of Monsters.
There are monsters in the earth.
Where do you think vampires and werewolves and yetis
and the monsters in the deep,
neti and all these other things,
do you think that they're just myth?
Do you actually believe they're just myth?
No.
They come from real stories, yes.
Yeah, because if you go through archeology
in all these different societies throughout the world,
the creatures that they talk about
or that they have stories about, they all are similar.
You know, they talk about dragons.
They talk about, there's a Bigfoot legend all over the world.
You've got the yeti in the Himalayas.
You've got Bigfoot in the Pacific Northwest.
You've got all these different things,
but the descriptions match of different things.
So there is, obviously they're describing the same thing,
but maybe in their own different ways.
So it-
How can people in completely different continents
that don't have phones or email or whatever,
all be describing something that's very, very similar
to every other continent and civilization
without them being able to communicate unless it's real?
Yeah.
Yeah, and so that really makes you think,
like if these things are really out there,
what do we need to do about them?
And, you know, if they're out there hiding,
they're more spiritual than we give them credit for,
obviously, and they're,
they're, you said that there's a werewolf
that's assigned to take you out.
So I gotta hear more about that specifically.
I can't tell the whole story.
It's too lengthy.
But let's just put it this way.
The first time I, and it's not,
I don't know if there's a werewolf right now
assigned to take me out.
I haven't seen it,
but I have dealt with many different werewolves
throughout my life.
The first one was up in the mountains,
and I placed, I won't mention right now,
but I saw it, it chased me,
and I was not a believer at that time.
I was walking in sin, I was a drug addict,
and I thought to myself, you're totally lost it.
You've hallucinated this thing that's happened to you.
You've hallucinated it.
And then a few days later,
I happened to talk to a woman
who was living on that property,
who had escaped the coven.
The werewolf wasn't there for her, it was there for me.
And I had gotten in the way,
I think it wasn't there for me, it was there for her,
because I'd been disobedient to the coven.
And I had gotten in the way.
And then what happened is I actually met the werewolf
and was, him and his wife, who was a witch,
tried to recruit me into the coven.
They invited me to their house,
and I'm gonna keep this story very short.
It's almost too wild to talk about.
But while I was up there,
because remember, I'm a drug addict,
I'm tough chick from the street,
ex-collector, ex-drug dealer,
still just on the fringes of all that,
and these occultic people recognized
a very good power source in me.
It's like, she goes this way with God, she's trouble for us.
But when she comes this way for us,
she's a power source for us.
Because I was operating in that level.
And when I met them, I went to their house with his wife,
I had no idea who they really were.
And she showed me this house that they had constructed,
and in the basement,
when she took me down to the basement,
all that was down there was a water tank,
a shelf that had a piece of velvet on it,
and a noose hanging from a beam.
And when I picked up the velvet piece of fabric,
it was actually a long black mask with the eyes cut out.
And when I asked her, what's this?
They were posing as Christians.
She said, oh, that's for my husband during Halloween.
And I said, I thought you people are Christians,
and you don't do that.
And I go, and what's all,
and upstairs there was barrels of hooch,
and I was like, I thought you got,
Christians don't drink.
She's like, oh, you know, we just drink a little bit.
It's like a little bit,
you got major hooch going on in here.
I used to make hooch in prison.
And it's like, I know what hooch is.
And so I went down in this basement,
and then I came in and there was only a beam
with a noose on it,
but the floor was so, it was not very tall.
The ceiling was not tall.
So if you were to hang somebody from the noose,
their feet would actually touch the ground.
So underneath this noose was dug out.
This is the first time I've said this on TV.
I hope you're happy.
Keep going, keep going.
They had dug out a hole.
So if anybody were to hang,
their feet wouldn't touch the ground.
And then a hole was full of dry blood.
Now I'm a tough chick from the street,
and they know that.
And I'm looking at her and I'm like,
so what's up with that?
She goes, oh, you know,
you know, when we built this,
she goes, she completely like ignores that question.
She goes, when we built this,
we made like layers, like seven to 10 feet of rock,
and wood, and dirt, and cement.
That's why you could be down here
and scream your head off,
and nobody'd ever hear you.
Oh my gosh.
Her husband shows up and he peeks into the basement
and goes, what are y'all doing down there?
And she goes, I'm just showing Katie the cellar
to the coal cellar.
And I booked it.
We had snowmobiles up there.
I booked it.
I said, well, I gotta go.
See you guys later.
Oh!
And jumped on the snowmobile and ripped down the hill.
And then like two weeks later,
I'm with the woman that was rescued from the coven.
We go down to a local hangout
where only the locals go to hang out
to go get some lunch down at the bottom of the mountain.
And when we walked in,
I found out later,
the whole coven was their meeting for lunch.
The whole coven.
When we walked in, they were all like,
they sat there and stared at us for 15 minutes
while I ordered.
They stopped eating.
They stopped talking.
They just like,
and I got straight up at it.
So I'm just like,
staring them back.
Like what?
I hide my friend behind me.
I ordered it.
We backed out of the restaurant.
Oh my gosh, you can't believe I'm telling this story.
Okay.
Got in the car and out comes the husband.
And he gets in his car and he chases us up the hill,
all the way up the hill.
And when we jumped into where the house was,
where we were at, the property,
the road turns up to the right really severely.
He turned up.
I looked out and he's hanging out the window
and he's already morphing.
And that's when I knew that he was the werewolf
that I had seen, that I hadn't told anybody about.
And his wife was the witch.
And it ended up that they got a warrant put out for them
because they had a cougar as a pet
and the cops came up there.
But before the cops could come up,
they burned that A-frame to the ground.
And outside that A-frame was a,
I can't believe I'm telling this story.
Are we in trouble yet?
It's too late now.
Was a Tibetan monk dome.
There's only six of them in the world.
And they have Tibetan monk bones inside of them.
This is out in the middle of nowhere.
Like, what is a Tibetan monk bone,
a Tibetan monk dome doing here
with Tibetan monk bones in it.
It's a power source.
When you lay out the map and you draw lines,
it forms a pentagram.
And that was their power source.
That was their altar.
They burned that house to the ground.
And when the authorities came, they had fled.
And the house they had built,
cause they had built that house with the cellar
that you could scream your hand off
and nobody'd ever hear you.
Wow. So God protected you from that
even before you were really walking with him.
That's my first encounter with a werewolf.
So, you know, everybody can talk smack,
but they haven't dealt with the occult
like I've had to deal with the occult.
And I've learned a lot about dealing with the occult.
So anyway, that is that.
And I don't even, I might even just tell you,
you have to edit that all out.
I don't know.
I have to talk to my staff
because we haven't talked about that yet.
So. Yeah.
But Katie, as we're,
I know our time is a little bit short here today,
but I want to make sure that we give you an opportunity
to pray for the people that have been watching
because spiritual warfare is a very real thing.
And the serpent and the soul is something
that we need to be paying attention to
and be aware of so that we have a battle plan
to not fall prey to the enemy.
Would you just take this, take the next couple of minutes
and just pray for the people that have been watching
and that they would be encouraged to take the stand
and shake off those serpents?
Yeah. You know, let's just go to the power source.
Just repeat after me and say, Lord God.
Lord God.
If there's an altar in my bloodline.
Or my life.
Where demonic sacrifices.
Have been made.
In exchange.
For power.
Money.
Influence and favor.
I do as the prophet did in 1 Kings 13.
I judge that altar.
I commanded to break apart and pour out ashes.
And become not effective in my life.
And become non-effective in my life.
And I decree that every witch or warlock.
Or cultic person.
Or a cultic person.
Can no longer stretch forth their hand
from that altar to seize me.
Can no longer stretch forth their hand
from that altar to seize me.
In the name of Jesus.
And I decree then.
that their curses are null and void,
they're illegal,
they're illegal.
Because Jesus already became a curse for me,
because Jesus already became a curse for me.
And I decree,
and I decree.
Serpents,
serpents,
who are carrying out the curse.
Who are carrying out the curse.
Are now arrested and restrained by court order.
I can no longer attack my body,
I can no longer attack my body.
My mind,
My mind.
My family.
My friends.
Any part of my life.
My business.
My marriage.
My finances.
Finances.
My church.
I ministry.
Ministry.
Or anything else.
I judge them with holy fire.
Drive them out of hiding.
Take them up as Jesus told me to.
And throw them into the fiery abyss.
In the name of Jesus.
Thank you, Lord.
Amen.
Thank you, Lord.
Hallelujah.
Katie, would you pray a blessing over the people
that have been watching, too?
Yeah, now I fill you with fire.
I fill you with fire right now in the name of Jesus.
And I decree, as you sit in the presence of the Lord
and you take partake of his communion,
that any venom that the serpent put in you
to cause diabetes or inflammation or gout
or arthritis or cancer will have to drain out of your body.
In the name of Jesus, all of those diseases are gone.
And I command that your spine would regenerate,
as I decree, those serpents are coming off your spine,
off your bones, off your joints.
Right now, I loose you from that attack by grace.
I loose you by the power of God, by the fire of God,
by the blood of Jesus.
And I decree, regeneration in all of your bone structure
and your joints and your cartilage
and in every part of you, in the name of Jesus now.
Thank you, Lord God.
Amen, amen.
Katie, Susan, thank you so much for taking the time.
I know I could talk to you for a lot longer,
and we might have to set up another opportunity for that.
But we at Charisma are so excited to partner with you
for this book, The Serpent and the Soul,
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And you've got to get a copy of this book for yourself
so that you can have this battle plan.
Katie, thank you so much for joining us today.
Really appreciate it.
John, appreciate you.