1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,200 We're angry because it's like a seed of contention inside of us. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,200 It's a way we pray that we don't know we're praying. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,320 Okay, but what is God doing? 4 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,800 And that's the question we ask all the time. 5 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,160 Like, where's God in this? 6 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,920 There's a spiritual battle over freedom of speech 7 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,560 because then it creates fear 8 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,440 that you're gonna lose something if you do speak. 9 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,880 God is raising up the voice 10 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,720 to be able to tell a different narrative. 11 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:20,960 In this day and age, 12 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,040 the words that we say are under attack. 13 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,480 And with me today is Sean Bulls, 14 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,720 who is a well-known prophetic voice. 15 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,280 And we're gonna talk about the things you can't say. 16 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,280 So Sean, welcome to Charisma. 17 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:36,120 I'm always glad to be here. 18 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:37,600 This is awesome. 19 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,600 Yeah, so Sean, right now in the news, 20 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,680 which is actually something that you do a lot, 21 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,240 you comment about what is happening in our world, 22 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,880 but you bring a prophetic perspective, 23 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,000 you kind of focus in on discernment 24 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,880 and help people break down 25 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,360 what is really going on spiritually behind the headlines. 26 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,600 And one of the things that's really under attack right now 27 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,360 is free speech and the things that people say. 28 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,960 Help us kind of understand what is going on. 29 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:08,160 And you actually fled California 30 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,560 where the biggest culvert of all is happening. 31 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,640 So tell us about what's been going on with free speech. 32 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:14,600 Well, the good thing is our ministry 33 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:15,760 is still based in California. 34 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:16,840 We still love California. 35 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,680 But yeah, free speech is one of the constitutional rights 36 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,600 we have in it. 37 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,360 It's something that as a Christian, 38 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,480 it's one of the strongest ways that God anoints us 39 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,680 or uses us to be able to spread his love, 40 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:30,840 to be able to connect to people. 41 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,560 It's the connecting devices are the way we talk to each other, 42 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,440 the way we spend time with each other. 43 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,240 And when you take that issue 44 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,880 and you basically side swipe it or side rail it 45 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,360 or put it into a place where it just shouldn't be 46 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,120 and you put rules and regulations on it 47 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,320 that we shouldn't have, 48 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:49,480 it takes the power and authority out of 49 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,120 our whole Christian experience. 50 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,480 So right now we're dealing with big tech, 51 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,640 social media networks other than Twitter 52 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,520 that you can't say things about abortion. 53 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,880 You can't talk about Christianity in a way that 54 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,040 may be progressive in the sense, 55 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,080 not progressive Christianity, 56 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,640 but progressive in the sense of like saying, 57 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,640 my ideas that are that there should be a way of us relating 58 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,760 or Christianity to influence the world around us. 59 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,440 And as soon as you start talking about transformation 60 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,160 or influence, you get marginalized. 61 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,360 Or if you talk about how it can affect gender identity 62 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,760 or any other thing, you're in trouble. 63 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,200 You're in trouble with the big tech. 64 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,960 You also can't advertise to anybody. 65 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,000 You used to be able to advertise and tell people 66 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,760 of your local church within five miles around you 67 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,880 if they're interested or doing searches about God. 68 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,480 You can be one of the places that they search for, 69 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,480 but they took all advertisement that's specific 70 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,240 to conservatism, politics that are right-leaning 71 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,800 and Christianity or any faith except for extreme faiths. 72 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,840 You can still do Islam and you can still do Buddhism 73 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:40,680 and that kind of thing, 74 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:41,760 but you can't do any kind of Christianity 75 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,360 or Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons which we understand. 76 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,080 They think they're similar, but they're not. 77 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,080 But you can't do any of that. 78 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,080 And so that took a way of us reaching our audience away 79 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,880 because they're shadow banning or they're minimizing 80 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:55,720 where our voice will go. 81 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,320 If you say the word transgender once 82 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,120 and you're a channel that they know is Christian 83 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,880 and they know that is conservative, 84 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,720 they'll immediately take you out of the algorithm. 85 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,240 Like at one time we had Instagram tell us, 86 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,520 like we're only showing you to 1% of your audience right now 87 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,800 because you're basically in trouble. 88 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,160 You're in our penalty box. 89 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,240 Wait, is that what Instagram told you that? 90 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,200 They put it in the notes. 91 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,120 Like you're only being shown in a small, 92 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,560 like up to 1% of your audience 93 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,280 because it's something you're talking about. 94 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,000 And so we had to earn our way back in 95 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,120 by not talking about some of the hot topics there. 96 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,240 And that's why you see so many conservatives. 97 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,840 It's not that they don't want to be bold on YouTube 98 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,520 or Instagram, but they can't say even the word transgender, 99 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,680 even in a positive context, any context at all 100 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,640 because of their whole channel, what it's about. 101 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,200 They can't say the word abortion. 102 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,160 They can't say the word pornography. 103 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,880 You can't talk badly about pornography. 104 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,640 You can't say human trafficking. 105 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:47,960 If you talk about human trafficking 106 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,840 and pornography and it's linked together, 107 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,440 you're immediately that will be banned or it will be 108 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,760 marginalized in their algorithm. 109 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,800 And so these systems are built by a humanistic mindset 110 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,080 that doesn't really have God in the equation 111 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,640 and it doesn't really have people 112 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,600 in real spiritual social justice in the equation. 113 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,720 So we're watching people who are getting raised up 114 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:08,760 to speak in culture. 115 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,720 And then that, of course, if it's in the algorithm, 116 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,240 it's in a whole people group who are specifically 117 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,720 all over the world, but in America 118 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,320 who are trying to silence those voices on mainstream media. 119 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,400 It's in the local town hall and when you go to school boards, 120 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,520 you get the same algorithm in those places. 121 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,080 It's just, it's amongst humans. 122 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,800 And so I feel like it's, we have a lot at stake right now 123 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,480 with freedom of speech because we have to be bold, 124 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,680 but then you're afraid that if you're too bold, 125 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:33,720 you're gonna lose your voice. 126 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,920 You're gonna lose your authority at your school board. 127 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,080 You're gonna be looked at a certain way. 128 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,200 And it's just a wild battle. 129 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,360 Well, we have already said a bunch of different words 130 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,160 that as we're putting this up on YouTube or social media, 131 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,240 they're probably going to limit some of this. 132 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,680 So I just want to encourage people that if you're watching 133 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,200 this and you've made it this far in the video, 134 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,280 let us know in the comments that you have seen this 135 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:02,040 for yourselves and you are experiencing this 136 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,840 or the fact that you agree with what we're talking about. 137 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:07,920 Just let us know and then hopefully that will kind of 138 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,920 override the censorship there. 139 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,720 But, you know, because we haven't, we've just addressed it. 140 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,640 We haven't actually said whether we're for 141 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,480 or against any of that stuff, but really free speech 142 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,000 is an important thing because I know that Jesus' 143 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,560 great command for us was to go into all the world 144 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:26,800 and to make disciples. 145 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,000 And we need to use our words to be able to do that. 146 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,480 And one of the things that I always find really interesting 147 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,360 as you're reading through the Acts, 148 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,360 the Acts of the Apostles is that Paul was a Roman citizen 149 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,680 and he had rights that were different than 150 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,840 the other apostles. 151 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:50,760 And so he actually used the rights that he had effectively 152 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,840 to be able to take the gospel further. 153 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:57,440 And I feel like oftentimes we don't understand the rights 154 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,640 that we do have and therefore we're just abdicating 155 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,720 that voice to somebody else. 156 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,240 I'd like to get your thoughts on that. 157 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,120 I love that, because I use that example a lot 158 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,320 because Paul used until the day he died 159 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:10,320 and he understood his rights. 160 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,200 And I think as an American, I've gone all over the world, 161 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,440 I've gone to war zones and places that you have 162 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,680 a natural entitlement when you're American to be able 163 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,400 to get certain rights, to be able to give food away 164 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,400 or to be able to get into certain IDP camps or whatever else. 165 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,560 It's amazing when you understand that your rights 166 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,800 of whatever you have, whether it's from the industry 167 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,600 you work in or whether it's from whatever 168 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,520 and how you can use that for the kingdom. 169 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,120 I think, I think Christians, what we don't understand 170 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,120 is how much, how much love is a currency 171 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,680 and how much love is a power that people are looking for 172 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,000 because love resolves so much, love helps so much, 173 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,400 it does so many things. 174 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,720 And I feel like speech along with love 175 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,800 because faith comes by hearing speech is so important. 176 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,160 So when you're looking at like what the homosexual 177 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,040 communities on an overpropagating marginalized for this again, 178 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,760 but they were feeling underserved 179 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:57,840 and they were feeling marginalized. 180 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:00,640 And so they went after a media and entertainment 181 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,160 kind of collaborative through the arts 182 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,640 and they said, let's tell our stories. 183 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,440 And let's get a homosexual in every single show 184 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,040 or somebody else you can put us on every show. 185 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,920 And just as a sub character in the background 186 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,360 just so that it feels familiar 187 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,480 and then let's start telling their stories. 188 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,840 So people get a sense of empathy and compassion 189 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:17,840 and they can relate to them. 190 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,240 Well, the problem with that is that 191 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,800 they only told very happy ending stories 192 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,160 for all this time till now. 193 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,800 It's still, it's like, this is great, this is grand, 194 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,480 this is wonderful. 195 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,200 Christians owe the world to tell the stories. 196 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,640 The Christians who've come out of that community, 197 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,840 the Christians who've come alongside that community, 198 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,960 we've had kids in that community have the obligation 199 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,000 to come out of love to show what Jesus did 200 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,000 in the midst of those stories when there's a turnaround. 201 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,320 And if Christians would, it's the same thing about, 202 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,080 again, we're using when women have the right to choose, 203 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,680 when they go through that entire experience, 204 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,880 we rarely, Juno did a really good job. 205 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,680 We rarely show the story up until like the actual woman 206 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,360 who's having this experience. 207 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:58,760 And when you tell that story, 208 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,480 the thousands of testimonies of what God did 209 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,200 through media, through the arts, through television, 210 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,200 through film, through podcasting, through music, 211 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,360 then all of a sudden you create a narrative 212 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,120 that's more powerful than the news media. 213 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,200 It's more powerful than the anti, 214 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,760 it's more powerful than the protest. 215 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,920 But we have not used these vehicles enough. 216 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:15,920 And I feel like God, one of the things 217 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,400 that Woods Freedom Species is that God's deploying people 218 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,280 to be a great voice. 219 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,600 And there's this big war against it on the front end, 220 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,320 spiritually, I feel like there's a spiritual battle 221 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,680 over freedom of speech because then it creates fear 222 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,040 that you're gonna lose something if you do speak. 223 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,440 But man, if these people, I've watched on TikTok, 224 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,880 there's a couple of people who've come, 225 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,440 who've detransitioned and they're telling their stories. 226 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:37,720 And them telling their stories 227 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,520 is worth a thousand sermons on it. 228 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,840 It's like they tell their stories 229 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,720 of this is what happened to me as a teenager, 230 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,800 this is how it changes, this is what Jesus did in my life. 231 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:47,800 And it's a before and after. 232 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,880 You now have them as the measure or the weight 233 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:50,720 of how you look at the issue, 234 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,160 just like when you watch certain TV shows and movies 235 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,960 and you really don't understand certain issues 236 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:55,960 and you watch it and you go, 237 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,800 oh, I have sympathy for that now, 238 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,800 but it's not a right reality-based sympathy. 239 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,440 And so I think like part of the freedom of speech issue 240 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,280 is that we are being raised up to tell our stories 241 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,280 on the biggest town hall stages in the world. 242 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,800 And the enemy's trying to resist us before we can get there. 243 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,760 And that's why Christian films have been 244 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,920 in the box office for the last 24 months. 245 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,840 I think we're at 17 months now. 246 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,240 We've been at the top five films in the box office 247 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,480 on the weekends that they come out. 248 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,160 So every month there's been one Christian film 249 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:24,800 that's never happened in history, John. 250 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,320 I mean, it's never happened. 251 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,340 And it's because God is raising up the voice 252 00:09:29,340 --> 00:09:31,080 to be able to tell a different narrative, 253 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,160 even that chosen, how it's showing a different version, 254 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,720 an artistic representation of what it could have been like 255 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,160 in the gospels. 256 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,760 And it's the most watched show on television. 257 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,000 I mean, it's like by far, 258 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,080 and 50% of the people who watch it aren't Christians. 259 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,040 That's huge, but there's a whole group of people 260 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,180 who would like to get that off television. 261 00:09:48,180 --> 00:09:50,480 There's people who when Amazon was, internally, 262 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,200 when Amazon was trying to bring it on, 263 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,920 that were trying to say it doesn't have DEI, 264 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,680 doesn't have enough representation in it. 265 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:59,160 And we don't want that on our streaming service this way. 266 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,280 We don't want to partner to them in any direct way 267 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:02,240 because we don't have that. 268 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,920 We don't have enough representation 269 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,600 that there's no queer or LGBTQ plus people in it. 270 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,280 And it's like, but that's not even faithful to the story. 271 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,160 We're telling our artistic representation of a real story. 272 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,160 And that created a new dialogue in Amazon 273 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,600 that actually created a new way for them 274 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,720 to make films without DEI. 275 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,120 It was the first time because of the chosen 276 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,500 and they weren't even a direct show. 277 00:10:19,500 --> 00:10:21,080 So we have to be a voice 278 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,560 and God's raising up people to do things differently. 279 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:25,640 And it is scary because the whole world's saying, 280 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,800 you can't win an Oscar if you don't have this. 281 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,720 And then someone's gonna make a movie or a project 282 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,760 that we'll have, will be different 283 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:35,760 and it will win an Oscar 284 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,440 and it's gonna confuse everybody. 285 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:38,280 Yeah. 286 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:39,680 You know, Sean, you brought up a couple of things 287 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:41,760 that I kind of wanted to go a little bit deeper 288 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,760 in our discussion about this 289 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,720 because you've brought up about TikTok 290 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,600 and we've talked about podcasts 291 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,680 and we've talked about all different types of media as well. 292 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:54,920 But the concept of sound bites versus long form discourse 293 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,520 is something that I'm paying a lot of attention to right now. 294 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,480 And we're in a political season 295 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,320 and I'm noticing that one candidate won't even talk 296 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,720 and another candidate is going on long form podcasts 297 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,560 and willing to just talk 298 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:12,240 and really get things out there. 299 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,360 I'm starting to see that there is more growth 300 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,720 and development with long form content 301 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,280 because people want that real. 302 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,420 They don't want, they want the reality. 303 00:11:24,420 --> 00:11:26,880 They don't want just a TikTok thing. 304 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,640 They want to go deeper. 305 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,720 Can we talk about going deeper 306 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,800 versus the headlines or the quick quotes 307 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,000 and the gotcha phrases? 308 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,000 What are you sensing about that? 309 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,280 Well, I think we're in a generation 310 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,280 that for a long time substituted information for connection. 311 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,360 And so if I know it, then I feel connected to it 312 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,520 and that's enough, but now they're wanting real connection 313 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:49,640 to heart of something. 314 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,280 So you have Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson 315 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,400 and these guys who have the biggest podcasts in the world, 316 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:54,720 the conservatives. 317 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,860 And so as Joe, we're gonna have a three hour conversation 318 00:11:56,860 --> 00:11:57,980 with somebody. 319 00:11:57,980 --> 00:11:59,000 And when they hear the person, 320 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,600 whether it's about aliens or someone's faith, 321 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,720 he's a lot of people faith on in the last couple years. 322 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,880 He's had a lot of conservatives on the last couple years 323 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,400 and you get to hear somebody who comes from a different 324 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,320 mindset and I've listened to a couple of the alien guys 325 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:11,680 where I'm like, that's intriguing. 326 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:12,520 I've never thought of that. 327 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:13,480 I've never heard that. 328 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,720 Now I have to think about that. 329 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,000 It's in me because I actually like this person 330 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,920 I'm listening to and feel connection to Joe Rogan 331 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,640 in this person's conversation. 332 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,760 It's touched me somewhere on the inside 333 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,320 in my heart and my soul. 334 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,800 So now I'm thinking about aliens differently 335 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,400 because this person was in the CIA 336 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,440 and they declassified this and whatever. 337 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,440 So I think like there's this long form piece 338 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,240 that builds connection and where the world is no longer hungry 339 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,480 to just be informed, but they want to be included. 340 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:39,400 They want to be connected. 341 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,360 They want to be part of the conversation. 342 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,760 So I think these long form, especially young men, 343 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,120 I think men are so hungry for, 344 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:47,560 they're getting out of the mode of like, 345 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:49,920 I can check off my list all the things I need to know about. 346 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:50,760 Like here's the box. 347 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:51,600 I need to buy aliens. 348 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:52,440 I need to buy God. 349 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,520 I need to buy, you know, whatever it's politics. 350 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,160 And as long as I hear about it, I feel good. 351 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:57,240 I feel strong. 352 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,440 I don't think men are in the same condition they were before. 353 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,720 I think they're like, I want to hear a father. 354 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:02,920 I want to hear a brother. 355 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,720 I want to feel connected. 356 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,360 And I think the podcast, obviously the men are higher 357 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,840 demographic than women for the first time in history 358 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,080 on a media server. 359 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,080 And it's because of that. 360 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,120 Whereas Fox News or CNN News is cyclical news 361 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,600 and it's just information with a lot of rhetoric. 362 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,160 And I'm not saying there's no good in Fox News 363 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:20,560 because there is and there's no good CNN News 364 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:22,720 because there is, but as far as maybe 365 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,680 on this news cycle there's not, but there is at times. 366 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:28,400 But it really is just informative 367 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:29,800 and it's not including you at all. 368 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,320 It's just telling you what you need to believe. 369 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,440 And I think people are done with that. 370 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:34,280 Yeah. 371 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,120 People don't want to be told what to believe 372 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,480 because that's what they've been told their whole lives. 373 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,520 They really, I mean, I kind of always go back to this. 374 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,240 I was taught how to think, not just what to think. 375 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,400 And if I was told what to think, 376 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,640 I was given the reasons why we came to that conclusion. 377 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,280 And that helped me in my formative years, 378 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,040 but for so long people have just taken what has been said 379 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,080 and they haven't been Bereans 380 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,040 and they haven't dug in deeper and they haven't done that. 381 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,720 Well, let's talk about some discernment. 382 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:12,720 And you do a lot of work commenting about our news, 383 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,480 society, the culture at large, media, 384 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,720 but from a prophetic angle, 385 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,640 from a prophetic perspective and discernment. 386 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,960 Tell me about your call in that arena. 387 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,680 Well, I'm still figuring it out. 388 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,160 A couple of years ago, I felt like I was supposed to, 389 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,720 I knew I was supposed to work in media and entertainment more. 390 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,080 It's a bigger focus than what I was doing in ministry. 391 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,040 And so I literally, during coronavirus, 392 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,120 left the pulpit type ministry. 393 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,640 And I felt like God was kind of a prophetic act 394 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,240 because I felt God was deploying a lot of people 395 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,040 from church-centric ministry to mainstream industries, 396 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,480 whether it's business or media or whatever, politics. 397 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,480 So when I moved into it, Matt Crouch was like, 398 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,480 I need you to come on alongside TBN. 399 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,040 I want you to come once a month and do commentary, 400 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,640 be on some of our news shows, 401 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,280 and then your YouTube channel. 402 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,480 Why don't you go after news commentary for a while 403 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:04,720 and then we'll do a show? 404 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,240 He wanted me to do a broadcast show right away, 405 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:07,200 but I wasn't ready for it. 406 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,400 Because I was like, I don't even know. 407 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:09,800 I don't even know how to. 408 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,960 I always do this, even in my church sermons, 409 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,720 a lot of times I would start out with like, 410 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,240 well, here's what's going on in society 411 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:16,320 and we would talk about it. 412 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,720 And then I would get into a message. 413 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,240 So it's very normal for me, 414 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,280 like in my strengths binders, 415 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:23,560 input's my number one. 416 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,000 So it's very normal for me to give input. 417 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,320 And I think that God, a lot of the news commentators, 418 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:29,560 I think they have a discerning edge 419 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,120 where they're looking at culture through a certain lens 420 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,800 that causes them to be a contributor to the conversation. 421 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:36,640 And the other thing that they're doing 422 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,360 is they're raising up and creating conversations 423 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,200 that no one else is having. 424 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,760 And so when I looked at that, I was like, 425 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,600 we'd already had Explore in a prophetic podcast here 426 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,320 on the Chisma podcast network, 427 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,240 which we also turned into Chisma, 428 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:48,840 or Explore in the Marketplace, 429 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,960 and having a conversation with a business person 430 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,320 who's sharing their breakdowns 431 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,920 and their breakthroughs and our highs and their lows 432 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,120 was like, if a picture's worth a thousand words, 433 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,520 I mean, their life story's a thousand sermons. 434 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,200 So when I transitioned into like the Shambles show, 435 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,720 we called it, the first week we were like 436 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,200 in the top 10 of all news, 437 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,360 and then the top one or two in news commentary in the world. 438 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,000 And I'm like, I mean, I just started, 439 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,320 I don't even know what I'm doing, like this is weird. 440 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,280 And we've stayed in the top 150, 441 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,720 usually in the top 40, the day it comes out every week. 442 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,320 And we stay in the top 100 to 150 all week long, 443 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:24,560 even if we only have one episode, 444 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,640 which most shows need daily content to stay there. 445 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,080 And we've had like, now we have a little bit more, 446 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,720 but I was just like, wow, people are this hungry 447 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,600 to have somebody who doesn't point out the wrong. 448 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,040 Like one of the things we do on our show 449 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,640 is that we don't focus on the enemy 450 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,560 and we don't focus on what man's doing wrong. 451 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,160 And we don't do church controversy 452 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,840 because I feel like a lot of church controversies 453 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,400 be handled apistologically by pastors and leaders 454 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:47,600 and accountability. 455 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,440 And it doesn't need to go through like a public scrutiny, 456 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,480 the same way that somebody in politics, 457 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,120 we can talk about them with integrity 458 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,920 or we can talk about something in entertainment 459 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,600 because there's no process for restoration, 460 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:58,720 there's no process for healing, 461 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,640 there's no process that society can bring around them, 462 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,480 versus a pastor who fails. 463 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,320 It's not something that I feel called to talk about. 464 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,680 So I began to look at what's happening in entertainment, 465 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,240 look at what's happening with freedom of speech, 466 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,080 look at what's happening. 467 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,240 Elon Musk was a big story for us 468 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,320 when he started to buy Twitter and move into that direction 469 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,040 and people were like, oh my gosh, 470 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,120 someone's saying that there's something 471 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:18,960 we're done through about this. 472 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,240 I'm gonna hear what he says. 473 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,400 I'm saying, I think this is God. 474 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:22,800 God's using this man as a Cyrus. 475 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,200 Like we need a freedom of speech vehicle. 476 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,240 I can say whatever I want on Twitter for the first time 477 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,320 in years, we're not gonna be silenced. 478 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:30,800 You know, like this is crazy. 479 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,760 And a whole audience was like, oh my God, 480 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:33,600 that's how I feel. 481 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:34,800 I feel like I need to, 482 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,560 I need to not be disabled in my voice right now. 483 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,920 So some of the things that we talked about with 484 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,040 even like Jesus revolution coming out at the same time 485 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,560 as Asbury revival and how it was a sign of the times 486 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,400 of what God's preparing the world for 487 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,480 is another worldwide revival. 488 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,280 And you have these incredible vehicles 489 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,080 like where Kelsey Grammar comes back to Lord doing a film. 490 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,200 And then you have the Asbury revival, 491 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:57,040 which breaks out with, 492 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,040 there's no major celebrity leader doing it. 493 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,840 And that was gonna be a sign of what's to come. 494 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,160 And then, you know, even over the summer 495 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,560 having the most baptisms, there's ever been anywhere. 496 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,000 And it all happened in the state of California, 497 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,280 which a lot of Christians have discounted or said, 498 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:10,400 or thrown to the enemy already, 499 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,080 because Gavin Newsom, who's just a man? 500 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,080 I mean, God is a destiny in that state. 501 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:16,560 So I feel like I've been able to come in 502 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,000 and help people look at things, maybe that they're angry at. 503 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:20,960 Because a lot of times we're angry 504 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,880 because it's like a seed of contention inside of us. 505 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,320 It's a way we pray that we don't know we're praying. 506 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:27,760 We get frustrated at something 507 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,680 until we get a redemptive lens for it. 508 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,680 And I've had that happen so many times in my life 509 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,120 where I'm just like, I'm aggravated in my soul 510 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:36,920 over something or someone. 511 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,960 And then as I'm aggravated, for me, John, 512 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,360 I was aggravated at like a young Christian celebrity 513 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:46,520 or young celebrity who became a Christian 514 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,760 back when I first started church in LA. 515 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:49,600 And I was aggravated, 516 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,080 because he kept dating all the girls on my church 517 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,160 and he was a womanizer and all these issues. 518 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,120 And I just didn't like him. 519 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:56,160 And then all of a sudden he came to my church. 520 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,280 And he's like, I need mentoring, I need help. 521 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,400 And he's like this worldwide celebrity, you know? 522 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,520 And I'm like, I don't wanna, 523 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:03,640 and then I fell in love with the kid. 524 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,760 And like it totally mentored him and like spent time with him. 525 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,200 I was like, okay, you're actually an amazing young man, 526 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,800 but you just need some dad time. 527 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,600 You just need some fathering and stuff. 528 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,760 So it's like a lot of the things that we're aggravated by 529 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,440 in society, it's like God's gonna give us authority 530 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,840 if we can make it through and see what he's doing 531 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,760 and not stay where the enemy's at in it 532 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,880 or where man's he manages failures at. 533 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,680 So I feel like the show has been a redemptive tool 534 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,720 to help people, even if they don't agree with my biases, 535 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,920 to help people to go, okay, but what is God doing? 536 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,400 And that's the question we ask all the time. 537 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,720 Like, where is God in this? 538 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,920 Like behind the scenes, my team's like, 539 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,680 okay, this is a lot to look at, 540 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,840 but I'm not hearing where God's at yet. 541 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:40,680 We haven't gotten there yet. 542 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:41,680 We're not gonna talk about this yet. 543 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:42,760 We're not just gonna be responsive 544 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,440 because we wanna make a response to get clicks. 545 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,240 We have to have authority on what we're talking about 546 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,680 or it's not worth talking about it. 547 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,840 And it's been really profound. 548 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,080 You know, Sean, you said something 549 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,520 that I just wrote down this phrase, the redemptive lens 550 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,880 and how you were frustrated 551 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,840 until you had a redemptive lens for that. 552 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,080 There's just something in my spirit 553 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,160 that just caught on fire whenever you said that. 554 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,880 How do we help people use that redemptive lens 555 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,640 and use that frustration to get them to a place 556 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,080 where they can see through that redemptive lens? 557 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,640 Because I think that's a missing element 558 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,480 in our society right now. 559 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,280 Well, I mean, the Bible is so filled with it, right? 560 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,440 Whatever is pure, whatever is right, 561 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,320 whatever is noble, fixture of mind and affections 562 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,160 on those things. 563 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,320 So whatever you're seeing hell, don't focus on hell. 564 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,640 What is God doing in the midst of hell? 565 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,680 Like Jesus, you know, like, you know, 566 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,480 if he was in the garden and alls he looked at was Satan 567 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,760 the whole time in the temptation, he would have failed. 568 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:36,720 But he saw the Father. 569 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:37,760 He knew the Father. 570 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,000 He remembered the Father. 571 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,560 He, you know, we tell our kids when I go to school, 572 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,000 when you miss us, because they're little, 573 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:43,920 you know, they're nine and 11, 574 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,200 when you miss us, carry the affection at this moment, 575 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:47,840 like I'm hugging you, sitting with you on the couch, 576 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,760 loving on you, just remember that, 577 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:50,600 rehearse that in your heart. 578 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:51,440 That's your life. 579 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,280 That's your reality. 580 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:53,240 Even if you don't feel it at school, 581 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,280 you can practice this. 582 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,360 You can practice this being together. 583 00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:57,560 And I feel like for Christians, 584 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,840 we have to like not look at hell. 585 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,360 We have to look at heaven in the midst of hell. 586 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,360 We have to look at God in the midst of hell. 587 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:05,800 So we have to ask ourselves in the midst of, 588 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,280 you know, transgender homosexual LGBTQ plus, you know, 589 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,120 which I shouldn't say again, 590 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:11,840 this is my fourth time saying it on the show. 591 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,120 Well, issues. 592 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:15,280 One of the greatest redemptive words we've ever had 593 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,200 was from the latter rain prophet, 594 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,960 the movie Jesus Revolution was made off of Lonnie Frisbee, 595 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,560 or was it the last, not a lot of rain problem, 596 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,960 but the last, you know, Jesus Revolution prophet, 597 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,560 who said in his deathbed, 598 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,240 what hippiest word to the Jesus people movement, 599 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,200 the LGBTQ plus people will be to the next great move of God. 600 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,160 We misunderstand them. 601 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,160 You don't know how to have authority or connection to them, 602 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,680 but God is going to use them. 603 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,120 And so I look at it and go, oh, you know, 604 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:40,560 my daughters were in a gym, 605 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,920 a transgender came in, in the women's locker room, 606 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,720 why they're taking a shower, went to the shower, 607 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,760 you know, they're closed showers, but next to them, 608 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,680 and my wife got them out of there and we're like in Texas, 609 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,800 and we're like, this is bizarre. 610 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:50,920 Like this, we're in a part of Texas, 611 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,280 it's very conservative, and we're just frustrated. 612 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,120 Just going, that's, you know, 613 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:55,520 of course we try and turn on compassion 614 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,840 or heal this man or whatever. 615 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,800 But then there's this other part of it that's like, 616 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:00,920 you're going to raise up some people 617 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,160 that are so confused right now, 618 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,080 and they're going to be the voice 619 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,960 of the next great revolution, like Paul, 620 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:05,800 and they're going to be like, 621 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:06,680 a lot of people won't want to accept him 622 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,600 because you're going to raise up Barnabas as God, 623 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,000 but you just got to practice like, not just, 624 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,600 oh, I guess I'll think the best thing, 625 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,920 and that could be the antidote for the worst thing. 626 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,280 It's not that, it's what is God saying 627 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,760 and doing historically, 628 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,880 and how is he moving us towards Jesus returning, 629 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,480 and how do we start to have faith 630 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,760 in the midst of a world of confusion, 631 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,000 he has a sound mind and we can have a sound mind. 632 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,000 And that's where I look at it. 633 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,080 And I just don't get, I don't stay in discouragement 634 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,240 because there's so much to be encouraged in it. 635 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,520 If you're not encouraged, 636 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,920 that means you're not looking at God, 637 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,320 you're looking at everything else. 638 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,880 That's so good, Sean, that is so good. 639 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,680 And you said earlier, before we hit record, 640 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,320 that when all hell is breaking loose, 641 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,120 all heaven is breaking loose too. 642 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:49,480 Absolutely. 643 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,840 Let's talk about that a little bit more 644 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,880 because I feel like we're, 645 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,520 you are scratching the surface on hope right now, 646 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,280 and there's this glimmer of hope 647 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,600 that's coming out of this conversation 648 00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:59,640 for everybody that's watching that. 649 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,080 If you're feeling hope, put hope in the comments 650 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,960 and let us know how God is using this conversation 651 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,040 to help you see things differently 652 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,320 and have that redemptive lens. 653 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,600 Put that in the comments, we'd love to hear about that. 654 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,520 But Sean, how do we cultivate this hope even more 655 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,280 when all hell is breaking loose, 656 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,120 all heaven is breaking loose? 657 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,600 Well, you know, if I was in discipleship mode, 658 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,320 I'd say just like practically like, 659 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,000 you wake up in a day and something hard happens 660 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,320 and then you use that to remind yourself of God. 661 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,120 That's why we have to strengthen ourselves in the Word too. 662 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,400 We have to have scriptures. 663 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,240 Like when you live in the land of hope, 664 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,080 you're never disappointed, 665 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,360 but you have to remember the first part of James one. 666 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:40,640 You know, consider pure joy 667 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,800 whenever you face trials and tribulations of any kind 668 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,000 for a developed perseverance 669 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,280 and perseverance develops character 670 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,160 and character develops hope. 671 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,520 When you live in the land of hope. 672 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,960 So a lot of times people just want hope, 673 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,160 but they don't realize that it comes from trials 674 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,400 and it comes from persevering through hardship. 675 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,920 So when we wake up and we're facing our own battles 676 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,400 and we're facing our own demons, so to speak, 677 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,120 are we strengthening ourselves in God? 678 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:03,800 Are we looking for what he's doing in our own life? 679 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,920 And can we come to agreement? 680 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,320 Even it's the simplest thing of like, 681 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,320 man, I want to live today. 682 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,360 Man, I like my family and just grounding yourself 683 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:14,520 in the hope of that and the goodness of that. 684 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:15,880 And most people aren't granting themselves 685 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:16,720 in the goodness of God. 686 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,800 So I hear a lot of prophets are saying 687 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:19,960 if Trump doesn't get elected, 688 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,480 America's gonna fail forever. 689 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,720 You know, it's never gonna be able to turn around. 690 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,400 And they're putting their hope in Republican government 691 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,160 being the answer for a God equation 692 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,280 that is bigger than the Republicans 693 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,160 aren't bigger than the God equation over America. 694 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,200 I don't want calm out of it. 695 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,400 I don't want the progressive liberalism to win right now. 696 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,400 But we've just had it, whether it hasn't destroyed America. 697 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,040 It's made it hard, but we're still like, 698 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,920 we're still the greatest country on the earth right now. 699 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,120 Like still, and there's, I could give you 25 reasons why. 700 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,960 And so it's, when people make those extreme statements 701 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,040 and they're living out of that extremity of like, 702 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,880 I need this to solve this. 703 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,400 I need to, and they're not living with like, 704 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,720 today's a good day. 705 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,280 Today, this is what God's doing in my life. 706 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,760 Today, this is what God's doing in my family. 707 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,280 Today, God, this is what God's doing in my church. 708 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,360 Today, this is what, if you don't live out of that place 709 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,800 of seeing who God is and what he's doing, 710 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,280 you won't look for him to multiply that. 711 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,280 You'll look for him to answer all the deficits. 712 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,160 So you live in a victim mentality. 713 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,280 And I think for me, what we've been doing with our show 714 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,240 is like showing like in the midst of, you know, Kanye West, 715 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,600 I hate this turnaround. 716 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,000 I hate that he doesn't believe in Jesus 717 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,360 and he believes he's God now. 718 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:23,680 And I still hope for him. 719 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,640 But somehow, somehow like a lot of Christians will say, 720 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,200 well, see, you were wrong about Kanye 721 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,600 and I'm not wrong about Kanye. 722 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,320 He gave his life to Jesus legitimately behind the scenes, 723 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,520 tried to walk with him and mental illness and Satan won. 724 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,520 You know, like, but that doesn't discount 725 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,160 what God's doing in Hollywood with others like, you know, 726 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,480 people like Chris Pratt or Mark Wahlberg or whoever. 727 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,880 You know, there's so many of them. 728 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,880 It doesn't discount what's happening with Kevin Sorbo, 729 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,920 whoever, and we could say, you know, well, Kanye 730 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,240 and be so focused on it that we don't see Mark Wahlberg. 731 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,200 We can be so focused on what's not happening 732 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,760 that we can't see what is happening. 733 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,160 And it really is that parable that Jesus said, 734 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,680 those who have not, everything will be taken away. 735 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,320 Those who have everything will be given. 736 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,640 It starts with your mind and your lens. 737 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,960 If you feel like everything's going to hell, 738 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,920 then you're looking for hell to take more. 739 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,640 If you feel like God's on the move 740 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,920 and he's actually here with us, 741 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,400 you're looking for him to add to that. 742 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,320 Yeah. And if we take a step back, 743 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,480 and you just said something that was really powerful, 744 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,480 that we are currently, this is 2024 in September 745 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,480 as we're recording this for anybody 746 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,480 that's watching this years down the road, 747 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,800 but we are currently under the administration 748 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,800 of President Joe Biden, who is not a, 749 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,400 he was left leaning and the country is going 750 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,200 through hardships, but it hasn't fallen apart yet. 751 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,120 But you just also mentioned the Asbury revival. 752 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:48,400 We've started seeing moves of God 753 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,560 that are coming out of this hardship, 754 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,400 that if we take a step back, 755 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,840 we can actually see those things. 756 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,080 But if we're so myopic and only paying attention 757 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,160 to what's right in front of our faces, 758 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,800 we won't see any of those things there. 759 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,920 From a prophetic standpoint though, 760 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,280 what are you feeling right now? 761 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:12,120 What are you seeing heading into this election cycle? 762 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,120 I know you said earlier that God hasn't spoken to you 763 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,680 about the winner of the outcome of that, 764 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,800 but just prophetically, what are you seeing 765 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,240 and sensing in the news right now? 766 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,080 Yeah, I mean, I'm seeing that the battleground is actually 767 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,560 helping people to define what they want 768 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,400 because things are so contrasted right now. 769 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,880 People are looking at, under Joe Biden, 770 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,120 we've had religious intolerance. 771 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:35,280 I mean, Christians have been put in jail 772 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,920 for being Christians who are advocating for rights 773 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,240 that we should all be able to advocate for. 774 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,400 The Supreme Court is being threatened with a filibuster 775 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,160 where they're trying to stack the Supreme Court 776 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,160 because they don't like a conservative Supreme Court. 777 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,040 So you're watching people who want to change the law 778 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,240 to violate our rights that are in office right now. 779 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,240 And you're watching it in a number of different ways. 780 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,280 I feel like whether Kamala wins or Trump wins, 781 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,840 we're gonna start to have an emerging generation 782 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,640 who's fighting for rights again. 783 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,560 And we won't be, the passivity, 784 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,160 there's no time to be passive anymore. 785 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,280 The passivity is we're seeing champions being raised up 786 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,160 and like whether it's the Charlie Kirk's 787 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,720 and kind of social commentary 788 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,040 or whether it's actual politicians 789 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,680 or so many politicians who God's raising up right now 790 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,280 locally on a local level and then also on a national level. 791 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,280 There's so many pastors, right? 792 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,840 It's the most pastors who've ever run for offices 793 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,280 in America in the last four years. 794 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,440 I mean, that just shows you that there's, 795 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,040 and in all kinds of offices, 796 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,160 it shows you that the passivity is kind of ending. 797 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,320 And in the midst of that too, 798 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,320 you have this undercurrent of movement, 799 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,080 like the stories that'll come out for colleges 800 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,520 of how they're gonna liberalize your children. 801 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,960 Well, some of the colleges 802 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,080 are having the biggest moves of God 803 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,520 they've ever had on their campus. 804 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,360 And like there's football teams, baptizing kids, 805 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,040 that I think you would discover that story the other day. 806 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,260 There's, it's just crazy how many baptisms 807 00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:50,280 are happening and how much of the move of God is happening 808 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,520 on local public colleges or Oklahoma University 809 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,360 and Auburn University. 810 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,160 Different colleges are having things happen 811 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,840 that have never happened before. 812 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,200 So I look at it and go, we're coming in an election cycle 813 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,040 and the elections don't determine how much 814 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,080 or how little God will move at all. 815 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,760 They do determine how much freedom we'll have 816 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,920 within the move, but they don't determine 817 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,260 the move of God itself. 818 00:29:11,260 --> 00:29:13,080 And I think that, you know, just like, right, 819 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,680 I think that Jesus people revolution was a signpost 820 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,240 and that movie coming out was a signpost of what's to come 821 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,200 because government was breaking down. 822 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,040 There was a war over Vietnam internally, 823 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,480 almost like a civil war. 824 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,920 There was people who were so sick of not being real at home 825 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,000 that they became hippies because they felt like 826 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,400 everyone's trying to be like Jim Cleaver 827 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,840 and for those of you who are old enough to know 828 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,880 that the Cleaver family, they were trying to, 829 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,240 it was like, there was no vulnerability in families. 830 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,120 People were experiencing horrendous things at home 831 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,640 and they had no process of therapy or counseling 832 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,320 or biblical discipleship to help them over it. 833 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,280 And so people were like, home's not real, 834 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,120 I'm leaving home. 835 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,120 And the most hippies were abused people who left home 836 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,840 because home wasn't good. 837 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,040 And the next move of God is gonna make home real good. 838 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,800 Family and marriage is gonna be on display. 839 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,500 People are gonna look at how people are doing family, 840 00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:59,480 mom and dad, kids at home. 841 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,880 And I feel like we're about to come into a cycle 842 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,880 of a season where so many people are gonna get saved 843 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,540 based on the fact that felt needs are so felt. 844 00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:10,280 And they're so obvious, just like it was 845 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,440 in the Jesus revolution time 846 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,120 where Jesus people move at time. 847 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,120 And I'm encouraged by the the obviousness of it, 848 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,720 the obvious gaps that are there 849 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,000 because only God can feel some of the gaps that are there. 850 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,600 There's no politician, Trump or other or Kamala 851 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,700 who could fill these gaps in America or elsewhere, 852 00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:30,280 but over Israel, over what's happening in the Middle East, 853 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,920 over what's happening anywhere, but God can. 854 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,920 And I think we're, he's gonna save us again. 855 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,240 He's gonna save us again. 856 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,240 Sean, I've really enjoyed talking with you 857 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,000 because hope is rising up within me 858 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,120 and I know hope is rising up within everybody 859 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,000 that's watching this. 860 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,160 If you're feeling that things are dark and depressive 861 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,560 and there's no hope, I pray that this conversation 862 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,160 has made you feel hope. 863 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,320 And Sean, as we're wrapping up here, 864 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,680 would you just pray for everybody that's been watching 865 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,000 that they would have that encounter with the Lord? 866 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,080 We're sure, and yeah, it's my privilege. 867 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,560 It's my privilege to be on the Charisma Podcast 868 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,560 and I work with the Sean Bolsho and just be with you guys 869 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,080 and with Explore the Marketplace. 870 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,360 I think it's so fun to know that people 871 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,480 can follow this conversation. 872 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,640 Maybe they gotta wake into something. 873 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,720 We keep having this conversation every week. 874 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,920 You can come with us, but Holy Spirit for everyone watching. 875 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,520 Thank you for John and the Charisma team 876 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,880 and what they're bringing you, 877 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,480 how they're staying in a gap. 878 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:22,800 That's so obvious right now. 879 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,680 And I pray everyone watching, I speak over your faith 880 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,600 and your hope and even maybe you're fatigued 881 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,520 to the point of exhaustion from all the drama 882 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,040 and the trauma around the world. 883 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:32,980 The Bible is very clear. 884 00:31:32,980 --> 00:31:36,120 Jesus himself says, cast your cares upon me. 885 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,160 And I pray you'll be able to cast those cares on him 886 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,160 and let him carry you through this season. 887 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,880 Let him carry the issues that you don't know 888 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,880 how to resolve in your heart, 889 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,160 whether it's Israel or national politics, 890 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,660 or whether it's something very real locally 891 00:31:46,660 --> 00:31:48,340 in your marriage or your family, 892 00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:51,400 that God would allow you to just walk with him in a way 893 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,680 where he would carry the heaviness 894 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,240 and he would carry the heavy burden. 895 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,120 And I pray that God will give you resolutions 896 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,000 and resolution points when it comes to some 897 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,480 of the heaviness you experience. 898 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,840 He is a spirit who lives inside of you 899 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,360 and he will speak to you and he'll bring your life 900 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,020 and make it more than it could ever be without him. 901 00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:09,800 And I pray that you would feel hope today 902 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,160 that's not just in messaging, 903 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,440 but hope based on the spiritual rootedness 904 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,680 of what he's doing in your heart right now. 905 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,520 And I pray that he would bring more alive the word 906 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,560 and through his spirit, the word and just the promise 907 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,800 that's over your life as we've been having this conversation 908 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,560 that you would feel the promise of what's to come 909 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,640 that your life has a John 10, 10, 910 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,960 like God's abundance, his goodness is promised to you 911 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,000 if you'll just look for it in Jesus' name. 912 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,920 And then Sean Bowles, thank you so much for joining us today 913 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,080 on Charisma. 914 00:32:41,080 --> 00:33:07,320 Oh, thanks for having me.